1 00:00:11,244 --> 00:00:18,318 >>> I WILL SIT HERE AND SPEAK TRUTH TO YOU. >> THINK YOU KNOW PRINCE HARRY'S STORY? 2 00:00:18,385 --> 00:00:26,593 THINK AGAIN. FROM RECENT ROYAL INFIGHTING LITERALLY WITH PRINCE WILLIAM. >> HE SHOUT AT ME, I SHOUT BACK 3 00:00:26,659 --> 00:00:36,069 AT HIM AND HE SNAPPED AND HE PUSHED ME TO THE FLOOR. >> TO WHY HIS MARRIAGE WITH MEGHAN MARKLE HAS BEEN 4 00:00:36,136 --> 00:00:42,108 RELENTLESS TABLOID FODDER. BUT ALL THOSE THINGS WITHIN THE FAMILY ALSO WERE SOURCES OF MISTRUST, IS THAT ACCURATE? 5 00:00:42,175 --> 00:00:48,047 >> BUT ALSO THE BRITISH PRESS AND NUMEROUS OTHER PEOPLE WERE LIKE HE'S CHANGED, SHE MUST BE A WITCH. 6 00:00:48,114 --> 00:00:59,492 >> TONIGHT PRINCE HARRY ON "60 MINUTES." >>> IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE MOVIES IN THE PAST 40 YEARS YOU HAVE 7 00:00:59,559 --> 00:01:13,072 HEARD A HANS ZIMMER SCORE, ACTION, DRAMA, COMEDY, BLOCK BUSTERS. HE'S DONE THEM ALL. 8 00:01:13,139 --> 00:01:20,713 >> I WOULD DESCRIBE MYSELF AS SOMEBODY WHO'S DEEPLY IN LOVE WITH MUSIC AND DEEPLY IN LOVE WITH MOVIES. 9 00:01:20,780 --> 00:01:26,352 VERY NICE. >> I'M LESLIE STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. 10 00:01:26,419 --> 00:01:31,191 >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JOHN WERTHEIM. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. >> THOSE STORIES AND MORE 11 00:01:31,257 --> 00:01:32,459 TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES." 12 00:01:43,136 --> 00:01:51,845 >>> PRINCE HARRY MAY HAVE STEPPED BACK FROM HIS ROYAL DUTIES IN 2020, BUT HE AND HIS WIFE MEGHAN, THE DUCHESS OF 13 00:01:51,911 --> 00:01:58,151 SUSSEX, CERTAINLY HAVEN'T STEPPED AWAY FROM THE SPOTLIGHT. JUST LAST MONTH THEY APPEARED IN A SIX PART NETFLIX DOCUMENTARY 14 00:01:58,218 --> 00:02:03,823 ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIP AND THEIR DECISION TO LEAVE THEIR ROYAL LIVES BEHIND. BUT NOW THE 38-YEAR-OLD PRINCE 15 00:02:03,890 --> 00:02:12,565 HARRY TELLING HIS OWN STORY IN A NEW MEMOIR COMING OUT TUESDAY CALLED "SPARE" A NOD TO HIS BACK UP ROLE IN THE LINE OF 16 00:02:12,632 --> 00:02:18,404 SUCCESSION. THE BOOK IS STUNNING BREAK WITH ROYAL PROTOCOL. IT'S A DEEPLY PERSONAL ACCOUNT 17 00:02:18,471 --> 00:02:23,643 OF PRINCE HARRY'S DECADES LONG STRUGGLE WITH GRIEF AFTER THE DEATH OF HIS MOTHER PRINCESS DIANA, AND A REVEALING LOOK AT 18 00:02:23,710 --> 00:02:32,919 HIS FRACTURED RELATIONSHIPS WITH HIS FATHER, KING CHARLES, HIS STEPMOTHER AND THE QUEEN CONSORT, CAMILA, AND HIS BROTHER 19 00:02:32,986 --> 00:02:38,191 PRINCE WILLIAM, THE HEIR TO HIS SPARE. YOU WRITE ABOUT A CONTENTIOUS MEETING YOU HAD WITH HIM IN 20 00:02:38,258 --> 00:02:43,596 2021. YOU SAID I LOOKED AT WILLY, REALLY LOOKED AT HIM MAYBE FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE WE WERE 21 00:02:43,663 --> 00:02:50,937 BOY. I TOOK IT ALL IN. HIS FAMILIAR SCOWL, HIS ALARMING BALDNESS MORE ADVANCED THAN MY 22 00:02:51,004 --> 00:02:57,577 OWN, HIS FAMOUS RESEMBLANCE TO MOMMY WHICH WAS FADING WITH TIME. IT'S PRETTY CUTTING. 23 00:02:57,644 --> 00:03:02,849 >> I DON'T SEE IT AS CUTTING AT ALL. MY BROTHER AND I LOVE EACH OTHER. 24 00:03:02,916 --> 00:03:12,892 I LOVE HIM DEEPLY. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PAIN BETWEEN THE TWO OF US ESPECIALLY THE LAST SIX YEARS. 25 00:03:12,959 --> 00:03:18,331 NONE OF ANYTHING I'VE WRITTEN AND ANYTHING I'VE INCLUDED IS EVER INTENDED TO HURT MY FAMILY, BUT IT DOES GIVE A FULL PICTURE 26 00:03:18,398 --> 00:03:25,672 OF THE SITUATION AS WE WERE GROWING UP. AND ALSO SQUASHES THIS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW MY WIFE WAS THE ONE THAT 27 00:03:25,738 --> 00:03:31,844 DESTROYED THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THESE TWO BROTHERS. >> I THINK SO MANY PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD WATCHED YOU AND YOUR 28 00:03:31,911 --> 00:03:41,621 BROTHER GROW UP AND FEEL LIKE YOU TWO WERE INSEPARABLE. AND YET IN READING THE BOOK, YOU HAVE LIVED SEPARATE LIVES FROM 29 00:03:41,688 --> 00:03:52,198 THE TIME YOUR MOM DIED. EVEN WHEN YOU WERE IN THE SAME SCHOOL, IN HIGH SCHOOL. >> SIBLING RIVALRY. 30 00:03:52,265 --> 00:03:56,235 >> YOUR BROTHER TOLD YOU PRETEND WE DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER. >> YEAH, AND AT THE TIME IT HURT. 31 00:03:56,302 --> 00:04:02,542 WE'RE NOW AT THE SAME SCHOOL. LIKE I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU FOR AGES. NOW WE GET TO HANG OUT TOGETHER. 32 00:04:02,609 --> 00:04:09,582 HE'S LIKE, NO, WHEN WE'RE AT SCHOOL WE DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER. AND I TOOK THAT PERSONALLY. WE HAD A SIMILAR TRAUMATIC 33 00:04:09,649 --> 00:04:14,921 EXPERIENCE, AND THEN WE -- WE DEALT WITH IT TWO VERY DIFFERENT WAYS. >> WILLIAM TRIED TO TALK TO YOU 34 00:04:14,988 --> 00:04:22,795 OCCASIONALLY ABOUT YOUR MOM, BUT AS A CHILD YOU COULD NOT -- YOU COULDN'T RESPOND. >> FOR ME IT WAS NEVER A CASE OF 35 00:04:22,862 --> 00:04:28,968 I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT WITH YOU, AND JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO TALK ABOUT IT. I NEVER, EVER THOUGHT THAT MAYBE 36 00:04:29,035 --> 00:04:38,244 TALKING ABOUT IT WITH MY BROTHER OR WITH ANYBODY ELSE AT THAT POINT WOULD BE THERAPEUTIC. >> IN AUGUST 1997 HARRY AND 37 00:04:38,311 --> 00:04:47,053 WILLIAM WERE VACATIONING IN SCOTLAND WITH THEIR FATHER. HARRY WAS 12, WILLIAM 15. THEY WERE ASLEEP AT BALMORAL 38 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:52,759 CASTLE ON AUGUST 31st WHEN HARRY WAS AWAKENED BY HIS FATHER WHO TOLD HIM HIS MOTHER HAD BEEN IN A CAR CRASH IN PARIS. 39 00:04:52,825 --> 00:05:01,868 IN THE BOOK YOU WRITE, HE SAYS, THEY TRIED DARL BOY, I'M AFRAID SHE DIDN'T MAKE IT. THESE PHRASES REMAIN IN MY MIND 40 00:05:01,934 --> 00:05:08,508 LIKE DARTS IN A BOARD, YOU SAY. DID YOU CRY? >> NO. NEVER SHED A SINGLE TEAR AT THAT 41 00:05:08,574 --> 00:05:15,948 POINT. I WAS IN SHOCK. YOU KNOW, 12 YEARS OLD, SORT OF 7:00, 7:30 IN THE MORNING EARLY, 42 00:05:16,015 --> 00:05:23,189 YOUR FATHER COMES IN, SITS ON YOUR BED, PUTS HIS HAND ON YOUR KNEE AND TELLS YOU THERE'S BEEN AN ACCIDENT. 43 00:05:23,256 --> 00:05:35,735 I -- I COULDN'T BELIEVE. >> AND YOU WRITE IN THE BOOK THAT PA DIDN'T HUG ME. HIS HAND DID FALL ONCE ON ME 44 00:05:35,802 --> 00:05:39,405 KNEE AND SAID IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY. BUT AFTER THAT NOTHING WAS OKAY FOR A LONG TIME. 45 00:05:39,472 --> 00:05:47,046 >> YEAH, NOTHING WAS OKAY. >> HARRY SAYS HIS MEMORIES OF THE NEXT FEW DAYS ARE FRAGMENTED, BUT HE DOES REMEMBER 46 00:05:47,113 --> 00:05:54,120 THIS. GREETING MOURNERS OUTSIDE KENSINGTON PALACE IN LONDON THE DAY BEFORE HIS MOTHER'S FUNERAL. 47 00:05:54,187 --> 00:06:00,593 >> WHEN YOU SEE THOSE VIDEOS NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I THINK IT'S BIZARRE BECAUSE I SEE WILLIAM AND ME SMILING. 48 00:06:00,660 --> 00:06:07,300 I REMEMBER THE GUILT THAT I FELT. >> GUILT ABOUT -- >> THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WE WERE 49 00:06:07,366 --> 00:06:15,007 MEETING WERE SHOWING MORE EMOTION THAN WE WERE SHOWING. THERE'D BE MORE EMOTION THAN WE EVEN FELT. 50 00:06:15,074 --> 00:06:19,912 >> THEY WERE CRYING BUT YOU WEREN'T. >> THERE WAS A LOT OF TEARS. I TALK ABOUT HOW WET PEOPLES 51 00:06:19,979 --> 00:06:26,919 HANDS WERE. THEIR HANDS WERE WET FROM WIPING THEIR OWN TEARS AWAY. I DO REMEMBER ONE OF THE 52 00:06:26,986 --> 00:06:35,094 STRANGEST PARTS TO IT WAS TAKING FLOWERS FROM PEOPLE AND THEN PLACING THOSE FLOWERS WITH THE REST OF THEM AS IF I WAS SOME 53 00:06:35,161 --> 00:06:41,934 SORT OF MIDDLE PERSON FOR THEIR GRIEF. AND THAT REALLY STOOD OUT FOR ME. 54 00:06:42,001 --> 00:06:49,942 THE FUNERAL ON A COOL SEPTEMBER MORNING WAS WATCHED BY AS MANY AS 2.5 BILLION PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD. 55 00:06:50,009 --> 00:06:57,016 PERHAPS THE MOST INDELIBLE IMAGE PRINCE HARRY AND HIS BROTHER WALKING BEHIND THEIR MOTHER'S CASKET ON ITS WAY TO WESTMINSTER 56 00:06:57,083 --> 00:07:00,987 ABBEY. WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT THAT WALK? >> HOW QUIET IT WAS. 57 00:07:01,053 --> 00:07:13,533 I REMEMBER THE OCCASIONAL WAIL AND SCREAMING OF SOMEONE. I THE HORSE HOOVES ON THE ROAD. THE BRIDLES OF THE HORSES, THE 58 00:07:13,599 --> 00:07:24,010 GUN CARRIERS, THE HEELS, BUT MAINLY THE SILENCE. >> AFTER THE SERVICE PRINCESS DIANA'S BODY WAS BROUGHT FOR 59 00:07:24,076 --> 00:07:31,851 BURIAL IN HER ANCESTRAL ESTATE, ALTHORP. >> ONCE THE COFFIN WENT INTO THE GROUND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I 60 00:07:31,918 --> 00:07:38,024 ACTUALLY CRY. THERE WAS NEVER ANOTHER TIME. >> ALL THROUGH YOUR TEEN YEARS YOU NEVER CRIED ABOUT IT. 61 00:07:38,090 --> 00:07:43,596 YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE SHE WAS DEAD. >> FOR A LONG TIME. I JUST REFUSED TO ACCEPT SHE WAS GONE. 62 00:07:43,663 --> 00:07:50,369 PART OF SHE WOULD NEVER DO THIS TO US, BUT ALSO PART OF MAYBE THIS IS ALL PART OF A PLAN. >> YOU REALLY BELIEVED THAT 63 00:07:50,436 --> 00:07:56,709 MAYBE SHE HAD JUST DECIDED TO DISAPPEAR FOR A TIME. >> FOR A TIME AND THEN SHE WOULD CALL US AND WE WOULD GO AND JOIN 64 00:07:56,776 --> 00:08:06,619 HER. >> HOW LONG DID YOU BELIEVE THAT? >> YEARS, MANY, MANY YEARS. 65 00:08:06,686 --> 00:08:14,227 >> YOU WRITE IN THE BOOK YOU'D SAY I'D OFTEN SAY IT TO MYSELF FIRST THING IN THE MORNING MAYBE THIS IS THE DAY, MAYBE THIS IS 66 00:08:14,293 --> 00:08:21,100 THE DAY SHE'S GOING TO REAPPEAR. >> YEAH, HOPE. I HAD HUGE AMOUNTS OF HOPE. >> HE HELD ONTO THAT HOPE INTO 67 00:08:21,167 --> 00:08:29,108 ADULTHOOD. WHEN HARRY WAS 20 HE ASKED TO SEE THE POLICE REPORT ABOUT THE CRASH THAT KILLED HIS MOTHER, 68 00:08:29,175 --> 00:08:34,814 HER BOYFRIEND, AND THEIR DRIVER WHILE THEY WERE BEING PURSUED BY PAPARAZZI IN A PARIS TUNNEL. THE FILES CONTAIN PHOTOGRAPHS OF 69 00:08:34,881 --> 00:08:41,187 THE CRASH SCENE. WHY DID YOU WANT TO SEE THEM? >> MAINLY PROOF, PROOF THAT SHE WAS IN THE CAR, PROOF THAT SHE 70 00:08:41,254 --> 00:08:48,728 WAS INJURED, AND PROOF THAT THE VERY PAPARAZZI THAT CHASED HER INTO THE TUNNEL WERE THE ONES THAT WERE TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS OF 71 00:08:48,794 --> 00:08:57,870 HER LYING HALF DEAD ON THE BACK SEAT OF THE CAR. >> YOU WRITE I HADN'T BEEN AWARE BEFORE THIS MOMENT -- TALKING 72 00:08:57,937 --> 00:09:04,510 ABOUT LOOKING AT THE PICTURES OF THE CRASH SCENE -- THAT THE LAST THING MUMMY SAW ON THIS EARTH WAS A FLASHBULB. 73 00:09:04,577 --> 00:09:13,219 >> THE PICTURES SHOWED THE REFLECTION OF A GROUP OF PHOTOGRAPHERS TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS THROUGH THE WINDOW, AND THE 74 00:09:13,286 --> 00:09:21,661 REFLECTION ON THE WINDOW WAS THEM. >> HE ONLY SAW SOME OF THE CRASH PHOTOS. 75 00:09:21,727 --> 00:09:24,664 HIS PRIVATE SECRETARY AND ADVISOR DISSUADED HIM FROM LOOKING AT THE REST. >> ALL I SAW WAS THE BACK OF MY 76 00:09:24,730 --> 00:09:31,704 MOM'S HEAD SLUMPED ON THE BACK SEAT. THERE WERE OTHER MORE GRUESOME PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT I WILL BE 77 00:09:31,771 --> 00:09:38,010 ETERNALLY GRATEFUL TO HIM FOR DENYING ME THE ABILITY TO INFLICT PAIN ON MYSELF BY SEEING THAT. 78 00:09:38,077 --> 00:09:46,152 BECAUSE THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT STICKS IN YOUR MIND FOREVER. >> MARRY SAYS ME BELIEVED HIS 79 00:09:46,218 --> 00:09:53,092 MOTHER WHITE STILL BE ALIVE UNTIL HE WAS 23 AND VISITED PARIS FOR THE FIRST TIME. YOU TOLD YOUR DRIVER I WANT TO 80 00:09:53,159 --> 00:10:00,733 GO TO THE TUNNEL WHERE MY MOM DIED. >> I WANTED TO SEE WHETHERTIST POSSIBLE DRIVING AT THE SPEED 81 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:09,108 THAT HENRY PAUL WAS DRIVING THAT YOU COULD LOSE CONTROL OF A CAR AND PLOW INTO A PILLAR KILLING ALMOST EVERYBODY IN THAT CAR. 82 00:10:09,175 --> 00:10:15,948 I NEED TO TAKE THIS JOURNEY. I NEED TO RIDE THE SAME ROUTE. >> THE SAME TUNNEL, THE SAME SPEED. 83 00:10:16,015 --> 00:10:25,992 >> ALL OF IT. >> YOUR MOTHER WAS GOING. >> BECAUSE WILLIAM AND I HAD ALREADY BEEN TOLD THE ACCIDENT 84 00:10:26,058 --> 00:10:32,565 OZA BICYCLE CHAIN. THE YOU REMOVED ONE OF THOSE CHAINS THE EVENT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. 85 00:10:32,631 --> 00:10:38,204 YET EVERYBODY GOT AWAY WITH IT. >> HARRY WRITES HE AND HIS BROTHER WEREN'T SATISFIED WITH THE RESULTS OF A 2006 86 00:10:38,270 --> 00:10:46,379 INVESTIGATION BY LONDON'S METROPOLITAN POLICE CONCLUDING DIANA'S DRIVER HAD BEEN DRINKING AND THE CRASH WAS, A QUOTE, 87 00:10:46,445 --> 00:10:52,051 TRAGIC ACCIDENT. >> WILLIAM AND I CONSIDERED REOPENING THE INQUEST BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY GAPS AND 88 00:10:52,118 --> 00:10:57,757 HOLES IN IT, IT DIDN'T ADD UP AND MAKE ANY SENSE. >> WOULD YOU STILL LIKE TO DO IT? 89 00:10:57,823 --> 00:11:04,630 >> I DON'T KNOW EVEN KNOW IT'S AN OPTION NOW. NO, I THINK WOULD I LIKE TO DO THAT -- IT'S A HELL OF A 90 00:11:04,697 --> 00:11:09,402 QUESTION, ANDERSON. >> DO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE THE ANSWERS YOU NEED TO HAVE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR MOM? 91 00:11:09,468 --> 00:11:15,808 >> TRUTH BE KNOWN, NO. I DON'T THINK I DO. AND I DON'T THINK MY BROTHER DOES EITHER OR ANYONE IN THE 92 00:11:15,875 --> 00:11:23,215 WORLD DOES. DO I NEED ANYMORE THAN I ALREADY KNOW? NO. 93 00:11:23,282 --> 00:11:26,852 I DON'T THINK IT WOULD CHANGE MUCH. >> HARRY NOW SAYS IT WASN'T UNTIL HE SERVED IN COMBAT WITH 94 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:37,229 THE BRITISH ARMY IN AFGHANISTAN THAT HE FINALLY FOUND PURMSPOSE AND A SENSE OF NORMALCY. >> MY MILITARY CAREER SAVED ME 95 00:11:37,296 --> 00:11:43,169 IN MANY REGARDS. >> HOW SO? >> IT GOT ME OUT OF THE SPOTLIGHT FROM THE U.K. PRESS. 96 00:11:43,235 --> 00:11:49,875 I WAS ABLE TO FOCUS ON A PURPOSE LARGER THAN MYSELF TO BE WEARING THE SAME UNIFORM AS EVERYBODY ELSE, TO FEEL NORMAL FOR THE 97 00:11:49,942 --> 00:11:58,918 FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE AND ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THAT I EVER HAD. WAS TRYING TO BECOME AN APACHE 98 00:11:58,984 --> 00:12:04,623 HELICOPTER PILOT. >> IT DOESN'T GIVE A CRAP WHO YOU ARE. >> THERE'S NO PRINCE OUTO PILOT 99 00:12:04,690 --> 00:12:09,962 BUTTON YOU CAN PRESS AND TAKES YOU AWAY. I WAS A REALLY GOOD CANDIDATE FOR THE MILITARY. 100 00:12:10,029 --> 00:12:18,471 I WAS A YOUNG MAN IN MY 20s SUFFERING FROM SHOCK, BUT I WAS NOW IN THE FRONT SEAT OF AN APACHE SHOOTING AND MONITORING 101 00:12:18,537 --> 00:12:26,712 FOUR RADIOS SIMULTANEOUSLY, AND BEING THERE TO SAVE AND HELP ANYBODY THAT WAS ON THE GROUND WITH A RADIO SCREAMING WE NEED 102 00:12:26,779 --> 00:12:35,354 SUPPORT, WE NEED AIR SUPPORT. THAT WAS MY CALLING. I FELT HEALING FROM THAT, WEIRDLY. 103 00:12:35,421 --> 00:12:41,260 >> AND THAT MULTITASKING, THE BRAIN WORK OF THAT, THAT FELT GOOD TO YOU? >> IT FELT LIKE I WAS TURNING 104 00:12:41,327 --> 00:12:49,068 PAIN INTO A PURPOSE. I DIDN'T HAVE THE AWARENESS AT THE TIME THAT I WAS LIVING MY LIFE IN ADRENALINE. 105 00:12:49,135 --> 00:12:55,741 AND THAT WAS THE CASE FROM AGE 12, FROM THE MOMENT I WAS TOLD THAT MY MOM HAD DIED. >> YOU SAY WAR DIDN'T BEGIN IN 106 00:12:55,808 --> 00:13:03,382 AFGHANISTAN, IT BEGAN IN AUGUST 1997. >> YEAH, THE WAR FOR ME UNKNOWINGLY WAS WHEN MY MOM 107 00:13:03,449 --> 00:13:09,388 DIED. >> WHO WERE YOU FIGHTING? >> MYSELF. >> I HAD A HUGE AMOUNT OF 108 00:13:09,455 --> 00:13:15,394 FRUSTRATION AND BLAME TOWARDS THE BRITISH PRESS FOR THEIR PART IN IT. >> EVEN AT 12, I MEAN AT THAT 109 00:13:15,461 --> 00:13:22,568 YOUNG YOU WERE FEELING THAT TOWARD THE BRITISH PRESS? >> YEAH, I MEAN IT WAS OBVIOUS TO US AS KIDS THE BRITISH PRESS' 110 00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:29,441 PART IN OUR MOTHER'S MISERY, AND I HAD A LOT OF ANGER INSIDE OF ME THAT LUCKILY I NEVER EXPRESSED TO ANYBODY. 111 00:13:29,508 --> 00:13:38,117 BUT I RESORTED TO DRINKING HEAVILY BECAUSE I WANTED TO NUMB THE FEELING OR I WANTED TO DISTRACT MYSELF FROM WHATEVER I 112 00:13:38,184 --> 00:13:44,423 WAS THINKING. AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, RESORT TO DRUGS AS WELL. >> HARRY ADMITS HE SMOKED POT 113 00:13:44,490 --> 00:13:50,930 AND USED COCAINE AND WRITES IN HIS LATE 20s HE FELT HOPELESS AND LOST. >> THERE WAS THIS WEIGHT ON MY 114 00:13:50,996 --> 00:13:57,636 CHEST THAT I FELT FOR SO MANY YEARS, AND I WAS NEVER ABLE TO CRY. SO I WAS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO 115 00:13:57,703 --> 00:14:08,881 FIND A WAY TO CRY, BUT IN EVEN SITTING ON MY SOFA AND GOING OVER AS MANY MEMORIES AS I COULD MUSTER UP ABOUT MY MOM, AND 116 00:14:08,948 --> 00:14:13,152 SOMETIMES I WATCH VIDEOS ONLINE. >> OF YOUR MOM. >> OF MY MOM. >> HOPING TO CRY. 117 00:14:13,219 --> 00:14:18,691 >> YEP. >> AND YOU COULDN'T. >> I COULDN'T. >> HE SOUGHT OUT HELP FROM A 118 00:14:18,757 --> 00:14:23,429 THERAPIST FOR THE FIRST TIME SEVEN YEARS AGO AND REVEALS HE'S ALSO TRIED MORE EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENTS. 119 00:14:23,495 --> 00:14:31,604 >> YOU WRITE IN THE BOOK ABOUT PSYCHEDELICS, PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOM. >> I WOULD NEVER RECOMMEND 120 00:14:31,670 --> 00:14:37,876 PEOPLE TO DO THIS RECREATIONALLY, BUT DOING IT WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE IF YOU ARE SUFFERING FROM A HUGE AMOUNT OF 121 00:14:37,943 --> 00:14:45,351 LOSS, GRIEF, OR TRAUMA, THEN THESE THINGS HAVE A WAY OF WORKING AS A MEDICINE. >> THEY SHOWED YOU SOMETHING. 122 00:14:45,417 --> 00:14:53,392 WHAT DID THEY SHOW YOU? >> FOR ME THEY CLEARED THE WIND SCREEN, THE MISERY OF LOSS. THEY CLEARED AWAY THIS IDEA THAT 123 00:14:53,459 --> 00:15:01,166 I HAD MY HEAD THAT MY MOTHER -- THAT I NEEDED TO CRY TO PROVE TO MY MOTHER THAT I MISSED HER, WHEN, IN FACT, WHAT SHE WANTED 124 00:15:01,233 --> 00:15:08,207 WAS FOR ME TO BE HAPPY. >> PRINCE HARRY SAYS HE'S FOUND THAT HAPPINESS WITH HIS WIFE IN CALIFORNIA, BUT AS YOU'LL HEAR 125 00:15:08,274 --> 00:15:11,777 IN A MOMENT HE'S FAR FROM AT PEACE WITH THE ROYAL FAMILY. 126 00:15:19,585 --> 00:15:28,093 >>> PRINCE HARRY'S MEMOIR "SPIRE" IS ANYTHING BUT SPARE IN ITS UNFLATTERING PORTRAYAL OF THE ROYAL FAMILY ESPECIALLY HIS 127 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:35,134 STEPMOTHER CAMILA, NOW THE QUEEN CONSORT. SHE MARRIED THEN PRINCE CHARLES IN 2005 THOUGH THE TWO HAD BEEN 128 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:40,906 ROMANTICALLY INVOLVED ON AND OFF FOR DECADES. WHEN PRINCESS DIANA FAMOUSLY REFERRED TO CAMILA AS THE THIRD 129 00:15:40,973 --> 00:15:46,445 PERSON IN HER MARRIAGE THE BRITISH TABLOIDS RAN WITH IT, AND PRINCE HARRY HAS NEVER FORGOTTEN. 130 00:15:46,512 --> 00:15:53,919 >> SHE WAS THE VILLAIN. SHE WAS THE THIRD PERSON IN THE MARRIAGE. SHE NEEDED TO REHABILITATE HER 131 00:15:53,986 --> 00:16:00,559 IMAGE. >> YOU AND YOUR BROTHER BOTH DIRECTLY ASKED YOUR DAD NOT TO MARRY CUAMILA. 132 00:16:00,626 --> 00:16:04,663 >> YES. >> WHY? >> WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARY. 133 00:16:04,730 --> 00:16:14,707 WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS GOING TO CAUSE MORE HARM THAN GOOD AND THAT IF HE WAS NOW WITH HIS PERSON THAT SURELY THAT'S 134 00:16:14,773 --> 00:16:22,281 ENOUGH. WHY GO THAT FAR WHEN YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO? WE WANTED HIM TO BE HAPPY, AND 135 00:16:22,348 --> 00:16:27,453 WE SAW HOW HAPPY HE WAS WITH HER, SO AT THE TIME IT WAS, OKAY. >> YOU WROTE SHE STARTED A 136 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:36,228 CAMPAIGN IN THE BRITISH PRESS TO PAVE THE WAY FOR A MARRIAGE, AND YOU WROTE I EVEN WANTED CAMILA TO BE HAPPY, MAYBE SHE'D BE LESS 137 00:16:36,295 --> 00:16:42,301 DANGEROUS IF SHE WAS HAPPY. HOW WAS SHE DANGEROUS? >> BECAUSE OF THE NEED FOR HER TO REHABILITATE HER IMAGE. 138 00:16:42,368 --> 00:16:48,374 >> THAT MADE HER DANGEROUS. >> THAT MADE HER DANGEROUS BECAUSE OF CONNECTIONS SHE WAS FORGING WITHIN THE BRITISH 139 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:53,812 PRESS. AND THERE WAS OPEN WILLINGNESS ON BOTH SIDES TO TRADE INFORMATION. 140 00:16:53,879 --> 00:17:01,820 AND WITH A FAMILY BUILT ON HIAHIRY HIERARCHY THERE WERE GOING TO BE PEOPLE AND BODIES LEFT IN THE 141 00:17:01,887 --> 00:17:07,226 STREET BECAUSE OF THAT. >> HARRY SAYS OVER THE YEARS HE WAS ONE OF THOSE BODIES. HE ACCUSES CAMILA AND EVEN HIS 142 00:17:07,292 --> 00:17:15,968 FATHER AT TIMES OF USING HIM OR WILLIAM TO GET BETTER TABLOID COVERAGE FOR THEMSELVES. PRINCE HARRY WRITES, CAMILA, 143 00:17:16,034 --> 00:17:22,674 QUOTE, SACRIFICED ME ON HER PERSONAL PR ALTER. >> IF YOU ARE LED TO BELIEVE AS A MEMBER OF THE FAMILY THAT 144 00:17:22,741 --> 00:17:28,747 BEING ON THE FRONT PAGE, HAVING POSITIVE HEADLINES, POSITIVE STORIES WRITTEN ABOUT YOU IS GOING TO IMPROVE YOUR REPUTATION 145 00:17:28,814 --> 00:17:37,523 OR INCREASE YOUR CHANCES OF YOU BEING ACCEPTED AS MONARCH BY THE BRITISH PUBLIC, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. 146 00:17:37,589 --> 00:17:45,831 ZBLIN IZBOOK HARRY WRITES WHEN HE WAS INTRODUCED TO MEGHAN MARKLE IN 2016 HIS FATHER INITIALLY TOOK A LIKING TO HER 147 00:17:45,898 --> 00:17:56,742 BUT WILLIAM WAS DISDAINFUL REFERRING TO HER AS AN AMERICAN ACTRESS. OTHERS WERE UNEASY AS WELL. 148 00:17:56,809 --> 00:18:02,414 >> AND THE U.K. PRESS JUMPED ON THAT. >> AND WHAT WAS THAT BASED ON, THAT DISTRUST? 149 00:18:02,481 --> 00:18:09,087 >> THE FACT THAT SHE WAS AMERICAN, AN ACTRESS, DIVORCED, BLACK, BIRACIAL WITH A BLACK MOTHER. 150 00:18:09,154 --> 00:18:16,228 THOSE WERE JUST FOUR OF THE TYPICAL STEREOTYPES THAT BECOMES A FEEDING FRENZY FOR THE BRITISH PRESS. 151 00:18:16,295 --> 00:18:21,900 >> BUT ALL THOSE THINGS WITHIN THE FAMILY ALSO WERE SOURCES OF MISTRUST. >> YES. 152 00:18:21,967 --> 00:18:27,139 YOU KNOW MY FAMILY READ THE TABLOIDS. IT'S LAID OUT AT BREAKFAST WHEN EVERYONE COMES TOGETHER. 153 00:18:27,206 --> 00:18:33,345 SO WHETHER YOU WALK AROUND SAYING YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT'S STILL -- IT'S STILL LEAVING AN IMPRINT IN YOUR MIND. 154 00:18:33,412 --> 00:18:40,519 SO IF YOU HAVE THAT JUDGMENT BASED ON A STEREOTYPE RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING IT'S VERY, VERY HARD TO GET OVER THAT. 155 00:18:40,586 --> 00:18:47,392 AND A LARGE PART OF IT FOR THE FAMILY BUT ALSO THE BRITISH PRESS AND NUMEROUS OTHER PEOPLE LIKE HE'S CHANGED, SHE MUST BE A 156 00:18:47,459 --> 00:18:54,967 WITCH. HE'S CHANGED. AS OPPOSED TO, YEAH, I DID CHANGE, AND I'M REALLY GLAD I 157 00:18:55,033 --> 00:19:03,642 CHANGED. BECAUSE RATHER THAN GETTING DRUNK, FALLING OUT OF CLUBS, TAKING DRUGS I'VE NOW FOUND THE 158 00:19:03,709 --> 00:19:08,080 LOVE OF MY LIFE, AND I NOW HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO START A FAMILY WITH HER. >> SOON AFTER THEIR RELATIONSHIP 159 00:19:08,146 --> 00:19:14,853 BECAME PUBLIC HARRY INSISTED ON PUTTING OUT A STATEMENT CONDEMNING SOME OF THE TABLOID COVERAGE OF MEGHAN AND WHAT HE 160 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:21,193 CALL, QUOTE, THE RACIAL UNDERTONES OF COMMENT PIECES. YOU WRITE YOUR DAD AND YOUR BROTHER WILLIAM WERE FURIOUS 161 00:19:21,260 --> 00:19:27,533 WITH YOU FOR DOING THAT. WHY? >> THEY FELT AS THOUGH IT MADE THEM LOOK BAD. 162 00:19:27,599 --> 00:19:34,072 THEY FELT AS THOUGH THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE OR WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT FOR THEIR PARTNERS. WHAT MEGHAN TO GO THROUGH WAS 163 00:19:34,139 --> 00:19:39,511 SIMILAR IN SOME PART TO WHAT KATE AND WHAT CAMILA WENT THROUGH, VERY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES. 164 00:19:39,578 --> 00:19:46,585 BUT THEN YOU ADD IN THE RACE ELEMENT, WHICH WAS WHAT THE PRESS, THE BRITISH PRESS JUMPED ON STRAIGHTAWAY. 165 00:19:46,652 --> 00:19:53,425 I HAD NO IDEA THE BRITISH PRESS WERE SO BIGOTED. HELL, I WAS PROBABLY BIGOTED. >> YOU -- 166 00:19:53,492 --> 00:19:59,798 >> THE RELATIONSHIP WITH MEGHAN. >> YOU THINK YOU WERE BIGOTED BEFORE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH MEGHAN? 167 00:19:59,865 --> 00:20:05,871 >> I DON'T KNOW. PUT IT THIS WAY, I DIDN'T SEE WHAT I NOW SEE. >> THEY WERE MARRIED IN MAY 2018 168 00:20:05,938 --> 00:20:13,345 IN A CEREMONY THAT SEEMED TO PROMISE A MORE MODERN AND INCLUSIVE ROYAL FAMILY, AND GIVEN THE TITLES DUKE AND 169 00:20:13,412 --> 00:20:21,086 DUCHESS OF SUSSEX. BUT BEHIND THE SCENES, ACCORDING TO HARRY, WILLIAM'S MISTRUST OF MEGHAN ONLY WORSENED. 170 00:20:21,153 --> 00:20:27,025 >> DID YOU EVER TRY TO MEET WITH WILLIAM AND KATE TO TRY TO DIFFUSE THE TENSION IN. >> YEAH. 171 00:20:27,092 --> 00:20:36,702 >> HOW DID THAT MEETING GO? >> NOT PARTICULARLY WELL. >> IN EARLY 2019 HARRY WRITES THE RANCOR BETWEEN WILLIAM AND 172 00:20:36,768 --> 00:20:42,240 HIM EXPLODED AT HARRY'S COTTAGE ON THE GROUNDS OF KENSINGTON PALACE. YOUR ARGUMENTS FOR YOUR BROTHER 173 00:20:42,307 --> 00:20:48,413 BECAME PHYSICAL. >> IT WAS A BUILD UP OF FRUSTRATION, I THINK, ON HIS PART. 174 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:57,122 IT WAS AT A TIME WHERE HE WAS BEING TOLD CERTAIN THINGS BY PEOPLE WITHIN HIS OFFICE, AND AT THE SAME TIME HE WAS CONSUMING A 175 00:20:57,189 --> 00:21:08,166 LOT OF THE TABLOID PRESS, A LOT OF THE STORIES. AND HE HAD A FEW ISSUES WHICH WERE BASED NOT ON REALITY. 176 00:21:08,233 --> 00:21:15,507 AND I WAS DEFENDING MY WIFE, AND HE WAS COMING FOR MY WIFE. SHE WASN'T THERE AT THE TIME, BUT THROUGH THE THINGS THAT HE 177 00:21:15,574 --> 00:21:25,050 WAS SAYING I WAS DEFENDING MYSELF AND WE'D MOVE FROM ONE ROOM INTO THE KITCHEN AND HIS FRUSTRATIONS WERE GROWING AND 178 00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:29,721 GROWING AND GROWING. HE WAS SHOUTING AT ME, I WAS SHOUTING BACK AT HIM. IT WASN'T NICE. 179 00:21:29,788 --> 00:21:35,460 IT WASN'T PLEASANT AT ALL, AND HE SNAPPED AND HE PUSHED ME TO THE FLOOR. >> HE KNOCKED YOU OVER? 180 00:21:35,527 --> 00:21:43,068 >> HE KNOCKED ME OVER. I LANDED ON -- >> YOU CUT YOUR BACK. >> YEAH, I CUT MY BACK. 181 00:21:43,135 --> 00:21:48,907 I DIDN'T KNOW AT IT THE TIME, BUT HE APOLOGIZED AFTERWARDS. IT WAS A PRETTY NASTY EXPERIENCE. 182 00:21:48,974 --> 00:21:54,646 >> HE ASKED YOU NOT TO TELL ANYBODY, NOT TO TELL MEGHAN. >> AND I WOULDN'T UNTIL SHE SAW IT ON MY BACK. 183 00:21:54,713 --> 00:22:00,719 SHE WAS LIKE WHAT WAS THAT, AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT. I LOOKED IN AM MIRROR AND I WAS 184 00:22:00,786 --> 00:22:06,625 LIKE [ BLEEP ] BECAUSE I HADN'T SEEN IT. >> MEGHAN HAS SAID CONSTANT CRITICISM AND PRESSURE LED HER 185 00:22:06,692 --> 00:22:15,901 IN THE WINTER OF 2019 TO CONTEMPLATE SUICIDE. >> THE THING THAT TERRIFIED ME THE MOST WAS HISTORY REPEATING 186 00:22:15,967 --> 00:22:21,073 ITSELF. >> YOU REALLY FEARED THAT YOUR WIFE MEGHAN -- >> YES, I FEARED A LOT THE END 187 00:22:21,139 --> 00:22:28,680 RESULT. THE FACT THAT I LOST MY MOM WHEN I WAS 12 YEARS OLD COULD EASILY HAPPEN AGAIN TO MY WIFE. 188 00:22:28,747 --> 00:22:35,854 >> IN JANUARY 2020 PRINCE HARRY AND MEGHAN ANNOUNCED THEY INTENDED TO IN THEIR WORDS STEP BACK AS SENIOR MEMBERS OF IT 189 00:22:35,921 --> 00:22:39,324 ROYAL FAMILY. THEY MOVED TO CALIFORNIA THREE MONTHS LATER. THEN THERE WAS THE HEADLINE 190 00:22:39,391 --> 00:22:48,600 GRABBING INTERVIEW WITH OPRAH WINFREY AND A DEAL WITH NETFLIX WORTH A REPORTED $100 MILLION. CRITICS SAY THE DUKE AND DUCHESS 191 00:22:48,667 --> 00:22:55,440 ARE CASHING IN ON THEIR ROYAL TITLES WHILE THEY STILL CAN. >> WHY NOT RENOUNCE YOUR TITLES AS DUKE AND DUCHESS? 192 00:22:55,507 --> 00:23:00,479 >> AND WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD THAT MAKE? >> ONE OF THE CRITICISMS YOU'VE RECEIVED IS THAT, OKAY, FINE YOU 193 00:23:00,545 --> 00:23:05,517 WANT TO MOVE TO CALIFORNIA, YOU WANT TO STEP BACK FROM THE INSTITUTIONAL ROLE. WHY BE SO PUBLIC? 194 00:23:05,584 --> 00:23:12,657 WHY REVEAL CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE HAD WITH YOUR FATHER OR WITH YOUR BROTHER? YOU SAY YOU TRIED TO DO THIS 195 00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:17,329 PRIVATELY -- >> AND EVERY SINGLE TIME I'VE TRIED TO DO IT PRIVATELY THERE WOULD BE BRIEFINGS AND LEAKINGS 196 00:23:17,395 --> 00:23:22,901 AND PLANTINGS OF STORIES AGAINST ME AND MY WIFE. THE FAMILY MOTTO IS NEVER COMPLAIN, NEVER COMPLAIN. 197 00:23:22,968 --> 00:23:28,974 BUT IT'S JUST A MOTTO -- >> THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLAINING AND A LOT OF EXPLAINING BEING DONE THROUGH LEAKS. 198 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:35,247 >> THROUGH LEAKS. >> PRINCE HARRY CONTINUES TO CLAIM HE WOULD NEVER LEAK AGAINST HIS FAMILY. 199 00:23:35,313 --> 00:23:43,922 >> SO NOW TRYING TO SPEAK A LANGUAGE THAT PERHAPS THEY UNDERSTAND I WILL SIT HERE AND SPEAK TRUTH TO YOU WITH THE 200 00:23:43,989 --> 00:23:55,000 WORDS THAT COME OUT OF MY MOUTH RATHER THAN USING SOMEONE ELSE, UN AN UNNAMED SOURCE, TO FEED IN 201 00:23:55,066 --> 00:24:04,709 LIES OR NARRATIVE TO A TABLOID MEDIA THAT LITERALLY RADICALIZES ITS READERS TO THEN POTENTIALLY CAUSE HARM TO MY FAMILY, MY 202 00:24:04,776 --> 00:24:11,316 WIFE, MY KIDS. >> LAST MONTH THE BRITISH TABLOID "THE SUN" PUBLISHED A VICIOUS COMMENT ABOUT MEGHAN 203 00:24:11,383 --> 00:24:17,656 WRITTEN BY A TV HOST. >> HE SAID I HATE HER. AT NIGHT I'M UNABLE TO SLEEP AS I LIE THERE GRINDING MY TEETH 204 00:24:17,722 --> 00:24:26,865 AND DREAMING OF THE DAY WHERE SHE'S MADE TO WALK NAKED THROUGH THE STREETS OF EVERY TOWN IN BRITAIN WHILE THE CROWDS SHOUT 205 00:24:26,932 --> 00:24:32,337 SHAME AND THROW EXCREMENT AT HER. DOES THAT SURPRISE YOU? >> DOES IT SURPRISE ME, NO. 206 00:24:32,404 --> 00:24:39,177 IS IT SHOCKING, YES. THANK YOU FOR PROVING OUR POINT. >> HAS THERE BEEN ANY RESPONSE FROM THE PALACE? 207 00:24:39,244 --> 00:24:44,850 >> NO. AND THERE COMES A POINT WHERE SILENCE IS BETRAYAL. >> HARRY HAS BEEN BACK IN THE 208 00:24:44,916 --> 00:24:49,387 UNITED KINGDOM. HE WAS IN LONDON LAST SEPTEMBER FOR A CHARITY EVENT WHEN THE PALACE ANNOUNCED HIS 209 00:24:49,454 --> 00:24:55,760 GRANDMOTHER, THE QUEEN, WAS UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION AT BALMORAL CASTLE IN SCOTLAND. >> I ASKED MY BROTHER, I SAID 210 00:24:55,827 --> 00:25:02,300 WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS, HOW ARE YOU AND KATE GETTING UP THERE. AND A COUPLE HOURS LATER, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS 211 00:25:02,367 --> 00:25:11,276 THAT LIVE WITHIN THE WINDSOR AND ASCOT AREA WERE JUMPING ON A PLANE TOGETHER, A PLANE WITH 12, 14, MAYBE 15 SEATS. 212 00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:18,516 >> YOU WERE NOT INVITED ON THAT PLANE. >> I WAS NOT INVITED. >> BY THE TIME HARRY GOT TO 213 00:25:18,583 --> 00:25:22,387 MALMORAL ON HIS OWN THE QUEEN WAS DEAD. >> I WALKED INTO THE HALL AND MY AUNT WAS THERE TO GREET ME, AND 214 00:25:22,454 --> 00:25:28,793 SHE ASKED ME IF I WANTED TO SEE HER. I THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR 5 SECONDS IS THIS A GOOD IDEA, AND I SAID 215 00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:36,835 YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU CAN DO THIS. YOU NEED TO SAY GOOD-BYE. SO I WENT UPSTAIRS, TOOK MY JACKET OFF AND WALKED IN AND 216 00:25:36,902 --> 00:25:41,673 JUST SPENT SOME TIME WITH HER ALONE. >> WHERE WAS SHE? >> SHE WAS IN HER BEDROOM. 217 00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:50,048 I WAS REALLY HAPPY FOR HER BECAUSE SHE FINISHED LIFE. SHE COMPLETED LIFE, AND HER HUSBAND WAS WAITING FOR HER, AND 218 00:25:50,115 --> 00:25:56,821 THE TWO OF THEM WERE BURIED TOGETHER. >> AS THEY HAD 25 YEARS EARLIER, HARRY AND WILLIAM FOUND 219 00:25:56,888 --> 00:26:07,065 THEMSELVES WALKING TOGETHER BUT APART THIS TIME BEHIND THEIR GRANDMOTHER'S CASKET. >> DO YOU SPEAK TO WILLIAM NOW? 220 00:26:07,132 --> 00:26:14,639 DO YOU TEXT? >> CURRENTLY NO. BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO US BEING ABLE TO FIND PEACE. 221 00:26:14,706 --> 00:26:21,379 >> HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE YOU SPOKE? >> A WHILE. >> DO YOU SPEAK TO YOUR DAD? 222 00:26:21,446 --> 00:26:29,487 >> WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN FOR QUITE A WHILE. NOT RECENTLY. >> CAN YOU SEE A DAY WHEN YOU 223 00:26:29,554 --> 00:26:35,627 WOULD RETURN AS A FULL-TIME MEMBER OF THE ROYAL FAMILY? >> NO. I CAN'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. 224 00:26:35,694 --> 00:26:44,903 >> IN THE BOOK YOU CALLED THIS A FULL-SCALE RUPTURE. CAN IT BE HEALED? >> YES. 225 00:26:44,970 --> 00:26:52,911 THE BALL IS VERY MUCH IN THEIR COURT, BUT, YOU KNOW, MEGHAN AND I HAVE CONTINUED TO SAY WE WILL OPENLY APOLOGIZE FOR ANYTHING WE 226 00:26:52,978 --> 00:26:56,715 DID WRONG. BUT ANYTIME WE ASK THAT QUESTION NO ONE IS TELLING US THE SPECIFICS OF ANYTHING. 227 00:26:56,781 --> 00:27:01,186 THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATION, ONE THAT CAN HAPPEN IN PRIVATE THAT DOESN'T GET LEAKED. 228 00:27:01,252 --> 00:27:08,760 >> I ASSUME THEY WOULD SAY, WELL, HOW CAN WE TRUST YOU, HOW DO WE KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REVEAL ANY CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE 229 00:27:08,827 --> 00:27:16,735 IN AN INTERVIEW SOMEWHERE? >> THIS ALL STARTED WITH THEM BRIEFING DAILY AGAINST MY WIFE WITH LIES TO THE POINT OF WHERE 230 00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:26,945 MY WIFE AND I HAD TO RUN AWAY FROM OUR -- FROM MY COUNTRY. >> IT'S HARD I THINK FOR ANYBODY TO IMAGINE A FAMILY DYNAMIC THAT 231 00:27:27,012 --> 00:27:34,085 IS SO "GAME OF THRONES" WITHOUT DRAGONS. >> I DON'T WATCH "GAME OF THRONES" BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY 232 00:27:34,152 --> 00:27:39,290 DRAGONS, AND THAT'S AGAIN THE THIRD PARTY WHICH IS THE BRITISH PRESS. SO ULTIMATELY WITHOUT THE 233 00:27:39,357 --> 00:27:46,865 BRITISH PRESS AS PART OF THIS, WE WOULD STILL BE A FAIRLY DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY LIKE A LOT ARE, BUT AT THE HEART OF IT 234 00:27:46,931 --> 00:27:51,903 THERE IS A FAMILY WITHOUT QUESTION. AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT FAMILY ELEMENT BACK. 235 00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:57,042 I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH MY BROTHER. I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FATHER AND 236 00:27:57,108 --> 00:28:03,415 OTHER MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY. >> YOU WANT THAT. >> THAT'S ALL I'VE EVER ASKED FOR. 237 00:28:03,481 --> 00:28:07,786 >> WE REACHED OUT TO BUCKINGHAM PALACE FOR COMMENT. ITS REPRESENTATIVES DEMANDED BEFORE CONSIDERING RESPONDING 238 00:28:07,852 --> 00:28:18,163 "60 MINUTES" PROVIDE THEM WITH OUR REPORT PRIOR TO AIRING IT TONIGHT, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE NEVER DO. 239 00:28:18,229 --> 00:28:23,835 >>> PRINCE HARRY ON HOW BEING A FATHER HELPS HIM UNDERSTAND HIS OWN MOTHER. >> I'M STARTING TO COMPREHEND 240 00:28:23,902 --> 00:28:41,686 THE POSITION THAT SHE WAS >>> MUSIC AND THE BACKGROUND OF A MOVIE IS OFTEN CRUCIAL TO HOW WE EXPERIENCE THE FILM. 241 00:28:41,753 --> 00:28:55,567 IN SOME CASES IT CAN BECOME AS MEMORABLE AS THE MOVIE ITSELF. THINK OF THE SCREAMING VIOLINS IN "PSYCHO" OR THE HAUNTING TUBA 242 00:28:55,633 --> 00:28:59,737 IN "JAWS." THE LATTER WRITTEN BY JOHN WILLIAMS WHO FOR MORE THAN A GENERATION WAS HOLLYWOOD'S 243 00:28:59,804 --> 00:29:06,211 LEADING COMPOSER. BUT OVER THE YEARS AS DIRECTORS IN STUDIOS BEGAN TO LOOK FOR EDGIER SCORES, THEY HAVE 244 00:29:06,277 --> 00:29:13,952 INCREASINGLY TURNED TO ONE GERMAN BORN COMPOSER NAMED HANS ZIMMER. IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE MOVIES IN 245 00:29:14,018 --> 00:29:23,394 THE PAST 40 YEARS YOU'VE HEARD A HANS ZIMMER SCORE, ACTION, DRAMA, COMEDY, ROMANCE, BLOCKBUSTERS. 246 00:29:23,461 --> 00:29:42,113 HE'S DONE THEM ALL. INCLUDING THE 1994 FILM "THE LION KING," WHICH HE WON AN OSCAR FOR WITH ITS OPENING ZULU 247 00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:51,723 CHANT. SUNG BY LEBO M., A SOUTH AFRICAN MUSICIAN WHO WAS WORKING AT A CAR WASH IN LOS ANGELES WHEN 248 00:29:51,789 --> 00:30:05,003 HANS ENLISTED HIM. >> THAT'S HOW THAT OPENING CHANT CAME ABOUT LITERALLY, MICROPHONE IN THE ROOM, NOT IN A BOOTH LIKE 249 00:30:05,069 --> 00:30:11,142 THIS. >> HANS TOLD THE EXECUTIVES AT DISNEY THAT HE WANTED TO SAY RIGHT OFF THE BAT THIS IS NOT A 250 00:30:11,209 --> 00:30:18,783 TYPICAL DISNEY MOVIE. IT'S A FATHER-SON STORY THAT TAKES PLACE IN AFRICA. >> THEY SAID, EXACTLY, THAT'S 251 00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:25,156 GOOD. DO WHAT YOU DO. >> HE SHOWED US WHAT HE DOES AT HIS STUDIO IN LOS ANGELES WHERE 252 00:30:25,223 --> 00:30:33,731 HE COMPOSES HIS SCORES ON THIS KEYBOARD AND COMPUTER. FOR EXAMPLE, THE MUSIC FOR THE FIRST "PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN" 253 00:30:33,798 --> 00:30:45,877 MOVIE. >> SO IF YOU HAVE PIRATES, WHICH IS BASICALLY THIS SORT OF A THING, THERE'S A JAUNTINESS, 254 00:30:45,944 --> 00:30:54,786 RIGHT? >> YEAH. >> I MEAN -- THE MUSIC IS REALLY BIG AND HE'S IN A LITTLE ROW 255 00:30:54,852 --> 00:31:03,394 BOAT WITH A LITTLE SAIL AND YOU HEAR THIS HUGE ORCHESTRA. BECAUSE THAT'S THE MUSIC HE HEARS IN HIS HEAD BECAUSE HE'S 256 00:31:03,461 --> 00:31:19,911 THE GREATEST PIRATE THAT HAS EVER LIVED IN HIS IMAGINATION. SO WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THE JOKER HE'S QUITE THE OPPOSITE. 257 00:31:19,978 --> 00:31:28,920 IT'S A BOW ON A BOW AND ARROW, AND YOU STRETCH IT AND IT'S NOT PRETTY. >> WHY SO SERIOUS? 258 00:31:28,987 --> 00:31:37,829 >> IT'S VERY EMOTIONAL INDUCING. I CAN'T EVEN EXPRESS WHY. I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT WORDS TO IT. 259 00:31:37,895 --> 00:31:42,767 >> THAT'S THE IDEA. AT MY BEST WORDS WILL FAIL YOU BECAUSE I'M USING MY OWN LANGUAGE. 260 00:31:42,834 --> 00:31:54,679 >> SINCE THE 1980s HANS ZIMMER'S LANGUAGE IN HIS SCORES LIKE LAST YEAR'S BIGGEST HIT, "TOP GUN: MAVERICK," HAS DEFINED NOT JUST 261 00:31:54,746 --> 00:32:06,257 THE CHARACTERS BUT HAS HELPED TELL THE STORIES OF CHEST THUMPING ACTION FILMS AND SCI-FI EPICS LIKE "DUNE," WHICH HE WON 262 00:32:06,324 --> 00:32:15,366 AN OSCAR FOR IN 2022 IN WHICH HE USED JUDDERING DRUMS AND ELECTRONIC SYNTHESIZERS. SO YOU'VE BEEN CALLED A 263 00:32:15,433 --> 00:32:23,908 MAVERICK. YOU'VE BEEN CALLED A VISIONARY. HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE YOURSELF? >> I WOULD DESCRIBE MYSELF AS 264 00:32:23,975 --> 00:32:32,450 SOMEBODY WHO'S DEEPLY IN LOVE WITH MUSIC AND DEEPLY IN LOVE WITH MOVIES AND PLAYFUL. I LOVE TO PLAY, LIKE, AS ANY 265 00:32:32,517 --> 00:32:36,054 MUSICIAN DOES, AS IN ANY LANGUAGE. IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU PLAY MUSIC. 266 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:50,134 >> HIS CHOICES HAVE BEEN UNPREDICTABLE. FOR EVERY MAN OF STEEL, THERE'S A KUNG FU PANDA AND A SHERLOCK 267 00:32:50,201 --> 00:32:58,109 HOLMES IN WHICH HE USED A BROKEN PIANO AND BANJOS FOR THE 19th CENTURY DETECTIVE TURNED QUIRKY ACTION HERO. 268 00:32:58,176 --> 00:33:05,350 HOW IMPORTANT IS THE INSTRUMENT TO GETTING WHAT YOU WANT? >> VASTLY IMPORTANT. I MEAN BECAUSE INSTRUMENTS COME 269 00:33:05,416 --> 00:33:13,925 WITH BAGGAGE. YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE THE DEFINITION OF A GENTLEMAN IS SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS HOW TO PLAY 270 00:33:13,991 --> 00:33:22,900 THE BANJO BUT REFRAINS FROM DOING SO. WHY THAT BANJO WORKED, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT WAS FUNNY. 271 00:33:22,967 --> 00:33:40,651 >> HE HAS USED BANJOS, BAGPIPES, BUZZING ELECTRONICS, AND THIS -- A GOOD OLD-FASHIONED ORCHESTRA. THINK ABOUT THE COMPOSER OF "THE 272 00:33:40,718 --> 00:33:55,800 DARK KNIGHT" WRITING SOMETHING THIS DELICATE. HE INVITED US TO WATCH HIM RECORD THE SCORE OF A NEW MOVIE 273 00:33:55,867 --> 00:34:03,007 IN A LONDON STUDIO LAST SUMMER. IT'S ABOUT A YOUNG GIRL COMING OF AGE BASED ON A JUDY BLUM BOOK THAT WILL BE RELEASED IN 274 00:34:03,074 --> 00:34:09,547 THEATERS THIS SPRING. >> YOU LIKE THE SOUND? >> MM-HMM. >> ACADEMY AWARD WINNING 275 00:34:09,614 --> 00:34:15,219 DIRECTOR JIM BROOKS IS A PRODUCER OF THIS MOVIE. THIS IS THE EIGHTH FILM THEY'VE WORKED ON TOGETHER. 276 00:34:15,286 --> 00:34:24,061 >> VERY NICE. >> WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT HANS, SAYS BROOKS AND OTHER DIRECTORS, IS HOW DEEPLY INVOLVED HE GETS 277 00:34:24,128 --> 00:34:31,569 IN MORE THAN JUST WRITING THE MUSIC. HIS PROCESS TYPICALLY BEGINS WITH A CONVERSATION WITH THE 278 00:34:31,636 --> 00:34:40,278 DIRECTOR LONG BEFORE A SINGLE FRAME OF THE MOVIE IS SHOT. >> CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THE MOVIE IS ABOUT, THE STORY OF IT, 279 00:34:40,344 --> 00:34:46,651 WHAT THE SCENE'S ABOUT. YOU DON'T TURN TO A COMPOSER. >> SO HE BECOMES ALMOST A PARTNER IN THE WRITING AND THE 280 00:34:46,717 --> 00:34:53,925 DIRECTING? >> YEAH, YEAH. >> OF EVERYTHING. ON GLADIATOR HE PARTNERED WITH 281 00:34:53,991 --> 00:35:01,666 DIRECTOR RIDLEY SCOTT. HE SAYS HE TOLD HIM HE THOUGHT THIS MOVIE SHOULD BE MORE THAN JUST ABOUT A MAN IN A SKIRT 282 00:35:01,732 --> 00:35:08,840 GOING INTO BATTLE. >> AND I FELT RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING WE NEEDED TO SETUP THE POSSIBILITY THAT IN THIS MOVIE 283 00:35:08,906 --> 00:35:15,313 WE COULD HAVE POETRY. >> COULD WE LISTEN TO JUST A BIT OF THE MOVIE THAT YOU WROTE -- >> STARTS OFF WITH JUST THIS 284 00:35:15,379 --> 00:35:26,224 NOTE. >> AND YOU SEE THE HAND. >> AND YOU SEE THE HAND AND YOU'RE ALREADY IN A DIFFERENT 285 00:35:26,290 --> 00:35:30,828 WORLD. >> AND THERE'S NO ONE TALKING. >> YOU LEFT THE 20th CENTURY. YOU DON'T EXPECT THE TENDERNESS. 286 00:35:30,895 --> 00:35:33,931 >> I MEAN, YOU ARE SETTING A MOOD. >> IT'S A CRY. IT'S A CRY. 287 00:35:33,998 --> 00:35:42,907 >> HIS LOVE OF MUSIC, HIS OBSESSION, GREW OUT OF HIS CHILDHOOD IN WEST GERMANY. WHILE OTHER KIDS LIKED TO PLAY 288 00:35:42,974 --> 00:35:48,713 GAMES, HE LIKED TO PLAY THE PIANO. SO DID YOU TAKE PIANO LESSONS? >> ABSOLUTELY. 289 00:35:48,779 --> 00:35:55,286 IT WAS TWO WEEKS OF ABSOLUTE TORTURE. >> TWO WEEKS? >> WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE I WENT TO 290 00:35:55,353 --> 00:36:02,226 MY MOTHER AND SAID IT'S EITHER HIM OR ME, AND LUCKILY MY MOTHER MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE. SHE KEPT ME. 291 00:36:02,293 --> 00:36:12,937 NO, NO, I DROVE HIM CRAZY. I'M 6 YEARS OLD SO MY IDEA WAS A PIANO TEACHER IS SOMEBODY WHO TEACHES YOU HOW TO -- THE STUFF 292 00:36:13,004 --> 00:36:20,344 THAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR HEAD HOW TO GET THAT INTO YOUR FINGERS. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY DO. THEY MAKE YOU DO SCALES, PLAY 293 00:36:20,411 --> 00:36:26,651 OTHER PEOPLES MUSIC. AND I DON'T WANT TO PLAY OTHER PEOPLES MUSIC. >> RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. 294 00:36:26,717 --> 00:36:40,131 >> RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. BUT I PROMISE YOU I KNOW MY BEETHOVEN AND MY BRMS INSIDE OUT. 295 00:36:40,197 --> 00:36:50,608 >> HE LEARNED ABOUT THEM FROM HIS MOTHER, A CLASSICALLY TRAINED PIANIST. >> IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS WORKDAY 296 00:36:50,675 --> 00:37:08,626 I'D BE BANGING AROUND AND WE'D BE JAMMING, YOU KNOW? >> INSTEAD OF COLLEGE HE BECAME A ROCK AND ROLLER PERFORMING. 297 00:37:08,693 --> 00:37:16,867 HE'S THAT YOUNG GUY IN THE BLACK JACKET WITH THE SYNTHESIZER. THEY MADE POP HISTORY IN 1991 WITH THE FIRST MUSIC VIDEO TO 298 00:37:16,934 --> 00:37:28,112 AIR ON MTV. HE BEGAN COMPOSING SCORES FOR LOW BUDGET FILMS, ONE OF WHICH IN 19 88 CAUGHT THE ATTENTION O 299 00:37:28,179 --> 00:37:40,992 THE HOLLYWOOD DIRECTOR BARRY LEVINSON -- SO THIS IS WHERE IT ALL BEGAN -- WHO SHOWED UP ONE NIGHT OUT OF THE BLUE AT THE 300 00:37:41,058 --> 00:37:44,395 STUDIO. >> HE SAID WOULD I MIND COMING TO LOS ANGELES AND DOING HIS MOVIE. 301 00:37:44,462 --> 00:37:49,800 SO OFF I WENT TO LOS ANGELES AND I GOT NOMINATED FOR AN OSCAR. >> FIRST MOVIE -- >> FIRST MOVIE. 302 00:37:49,867 --> 00:37:56,207 BUT I DIDN'T WIN AND I DIDN'T MATTER BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTED TO MEET ME. >> THAT FILM WAS NO LESS THAN 303 00:37:56,273 --> 00:38:09,887 "RAIN MAN," WHICH LED TO "DRIVING MISS DAISY" "THELMA AND LOUISE," "BLACK RAIN" AND MORE THAN 40 OTHER FILM THAT BEGAN TO 304 00:38:09,954 --> 00:38:14,792 PUSH THE SOUND OF MUSIC INTO A NEW DIRECTION. >> I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE ELECTRONICS THAT YOU SHAPE 305 00:38:14,859 --> 00:38:29,073 SOUNDS IN A WAY THAT GO BEYOND THE WAY AN ORCHESTRA CAN. HE BECAME A PIONEER INFUSING ELECTRONICS WITH ORC CENTRAL 306 00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:35,179 MUSIC, USING HIS SECRET WEAPON, A DIGITAL LIBRARY THAT HE BUILT HIMSELF WITH ORIGINAL COMPUTER CODE. 307 00:38:35,246 --> 00:38:44,955 HE PAINSTAKINGLY RECORDED EACH INSTRUMENT IN A REAL ORCHESTRA NOTE BY NOTE USING WORLD CLASS MUSICIANS AND THE FINEST 308 00:38:45,022 --> 00:38:55,132 INSTRUMENTS, AND LOADING IT ALL INTO HIS COMPUTER. TAKE A VIOLIN AND YOU HAVE THE VIOLIN PLAY MIDDLE C, AND THEN 309 00:38:55,199 --> 00:39:03,774 YOU HAVE THAT INSTRUMENT PLAY MIDDLE C, LOUD, SOFT, AND ALL DIFFERENT. >> OH, YEAH. 310 00:39:03,841 --> 00:39:15,653 LOOK, LOOK. IT CAN PLAY SHORT. >> SO YOU'RE NOT MAKING IT PICCATO. 311 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:23,461 THEY PLAY IT THAT WAY. THAT MUST HAVE TAKEN MONTHS. >> IT'S ACTUALLY TAKEN YEARS. >> AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 312 00:39:23,527 --> 00:39:33,871 HE DOESN'T WRITE OUT HIS COMPOSITIONS ON PAPER. HIS COMPUTER DOES IT FOR HIM, AND IT HELPS CREATE THE 313 00:39:33,938 --> 00:39:39,376 UNCONVENTIONAL SOUND YOU'D FIND IN HIS SCORES. SCRAPING METAL. >> YEAH. 314 00:39:39,443 --> 00:39:49,620 >> AND ELECTRONIC THUDS. MUSIC? >> IT CAN BE. EVERYTHING CAN BE MADE TO BE A 315 00:39:49,687 --> 00:39:58,429 MUSICAL INSTRUMENT IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. >> HE OFTEN COLLABORATES WITH PEDRO EUSTACHE, A WORLD CLASS 316 00:39:58,496 --> 00:40:07,605 FLAUTIST WHO HAS BUILT CONTRAPTIONS THAT PRODUCE UNUSUAL SOUNDS THAT HANS THINKS UP FOR HIS MOVIES. 317 00:40:07,671 --> 00:40:25,723 >> THIS IS AN OSTRICH EGG, OKAY. >> THAT'S AN OSTRICH EGG. YOU PUT A HOLE IN. >> LET ME EXPLAIN. 318 00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:32,963 HE'S NOT STEALING EGGS AT THE ZOO. HE'S A VERY GOOD CUSTOMER OF HOME DEPOT AND SO MANY OF HIS 319 00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:39,403 INSTRUMENTS ARE MADE OUT OF PVC PIPING. >> PEDRO ACTUALLY USED PVC PIPING TO COME UP WITH THIS 320 00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:49,213 21-LONG FOOT HORN THAT HANS WANTED FOR "DUNE." HE'S CURRENTLY WORKING ON "DUNE PART 2." 321 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:58,856 AND NOW HE GOES ON TOUR WITH A 38-PIECE ORCHESTRA AND BAND TO PERFORM HIS MOVIE SCORES. HOW HAVE YOU CHANGED? 322 00:40:58,923 --> 00:41:04,829 YOU'VE BEEN WORKING AT THIS FOR 40 YEARS. >> I TELL YOU WHAT. SO WHEN YOU START OUT YOU HAVE 323 00:41:04,895 --> 00:41:14,071 ALL THAT STUFF THAT YOU'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE. EVERY MOVIE HAD EVERY IDEA, EVERY DEVICE, EVERY CHORD 324 00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:23,747 CHANGE, EVERY WHATEVER IN IT. NOW I THINK IT'S MORE FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO NEW, BUT IT BECOMES HARDER AND HARDER 325 00:41:23,814 --> 00:41:31,822 BECAUSE I'VE USED UP SO MUCH IN THE PAST. >> HE TOLD US AFTER MORE THAN 150 FILMS HE LIVES IN CONSTANT 326 00:41:31,889 --> 00:41:40,531 FEAR OF THE DAY HIS PHONE WILL STOP RINGING. EVEN AFTER 150 DO YOU THINK YOU'RE MOTIVATED BY THAT FEAR? 327 00:41:40,598 --> 00:41:48,739 >> BUT IT'S ONLY 150, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S LIKE WHAT IF 151 IS A COMPLETE DISASTER? 328 00:41:48,806 --> 00:41:56,680 YOU KNOW, I'M STILL ALIVE. I'M 65 YEARS OLD NOW AND PEOPLE ARE GOING ARE YOU GOING TO RETIRE, ARE YOU GOING TO PUT 329 00:41:56,747 --> 00:42:00,784 YOUR FEET UP. AND I GO, NO, I'M FULL OF IDEAS. I'M JUST GETTING STARTED.