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Spirit Airlines has announced
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that they are merging
with Frontier Airlines. Yes.
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Quite literally they're going
to put the planes together,
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and as their passengers,
we will, like,
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look into each other's faces
as we fly.
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You thought things couldn't get
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Uh, yeah,
a lot of people were like,
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"Aah, Spirit and Frontier."
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I think people are
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Because in math, I learned,
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that if you multiply a negative
and a negative,
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you get a positive.
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this is gonna be the greatest
airline of all time.
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ANNOUNCER: Coming to you
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Tonight-- Pence takes on Trump,
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Hey! What's going on, everybody?
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Welcome to The Daily Show.
I'm Trevor Noah.
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And joining me
for today's headlines
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is my good friend Michael Kosta.
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What's going on, Michael?
How you doing?
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-I'm good. I'm getting ready
for Valentine's Day. -Ooh.
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-You know? Yeah. I do my normal
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I googled how to make good sex,
I booked a head-to-toe waxing.
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-Ooh. -I booked a reservation
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-Jacques in the Box.
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that the love holiday's
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What? Am I supposed to think
about how much I love my wife
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while I'm shoveling frozen dog
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maybe it's the cuddling. -Yeah.
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Maybe it's, like, you know, it's
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It's-it's weird that
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like, from where we're from,
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-So I've never thought
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where you're from is
more loving, possibly.
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In fact, where I'm from,
it made more sense
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-that Cupid had no clothes.
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We kick things off
in the metaverse.
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It's the virtual world
that's just like the real world.
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By which I mean
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Mark Zuckerberg is harvesting
your data there, too.
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Companies like Meta,
AKA Facebook,
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are betting billions
of dollars on the hope
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that virtual reality is the
future of human interaction.
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But as they get started,
they're finding out
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that in many ways, the people
of the future are all too much
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like the people of the past.
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NEWSWOMAN:
Meta is launching a new tool
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for its virtual reality worlds
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after users reported
virtual groping
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and other abusive behavior.
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The personal boundary
default setting
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will allow users to feel like
there's four feet of space
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between them and others.
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Meta says
this will make it easier
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to avoid unwanted interactions.
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I mean, come on,
in the virtual world, now?
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NEWSMAN:
It comes after a woman claims
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she was verbally
and sexually harassed
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within a minute of joining
a virtual game last year.
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Yeah, look, people,
none of this is surprising.
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I mean, anytime a new technology
has been invented,
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it has quickly been used
to harass people.
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You know,
right after man discovered fire,
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creeps were probably like:
Awesome!
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Now I can show my dick
to strangers at night.
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Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
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(crew laughter)
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But still,
the metaverse was not designed
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for you to sexually harass
others, okay?
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It was designed
to distract everyone
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from Facebook's other scandals.
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And what I don't understand is
how Facebook couldn't weed out
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these people before they get
into the metaverse.
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How are these people even
getting into the metaverse?
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Like, think about it, Facebook
has information on everybody.
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How come they can't tell
who's an Internet pervert,
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but then they can show me ads
for crutches
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three days before I get hit
by a car, huh?
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But obviously, this is
really about the principle
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of feeling safe and respected.
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It's not actual sexual assault.
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You know?
No one in the metaverse
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even has a butt to grab.
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There's nothing below the waist.
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That's why everyone
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goes to the bathroom
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It's a really weird experience.
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I actually feel like I know
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You know, they're gonna say:
Well, we tried making avatars
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without bottoms
and that didn't work,
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so maybe we should try one
where nobody has tops, either.
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It's gonna be just faces.
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Like a book of faces.
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Nothing can go wrong with that.
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Be like:
Wow, this is the future!
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I actually have a controversial
solution to this.
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This is what I think
Meta should do.
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Meta should do nothing.
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Yeah, I said it.
Meta should do nothing.
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Let sexual harassment run wild
in the metaverse. Just do it.
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'Cause think about it.
If we can trap
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all the sexual harassers
in the metaverse,
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we won't have to worry
about sexual harassment
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n the real world. Yeah.
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All the creeps will be at home
with their VR helmets
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touching each other's
cartoon nipples.
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The rest of us will just
interact with actual humans,
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safe from sexual harassment.
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It's a win-win. Huh? Huh?
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It's a great idea.
I mean, keep in mind
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this isn't actually dangerous,
you know?
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You're not in a dark alley.
You're in your living room.
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And your dad's upstairs.
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-Right?
-Yeah.
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You know? I mean,
and how does this even happen?
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Aren't the only people
in the metaverse
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-Facebook executives? Right?
-(laughing)
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It feels like it's the only ones
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that has access
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Now, keep in mind, Trevor,
we have personal space rules
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-in real life, too, and they
get violated. -Yeah.
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-That's true. -You know?
You ever take the L Train
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late at night? 10:00 p.m.?
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You got to 69 somebody
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-So... We should approve that.
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I mean,
I don't think it's a bad thing
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-on the L Train.
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Granted, I'm always in, like,
the preferable position
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-in the 69.
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Always say you want to be,
like, head up.
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Yeah, you...
Yeah, you're the nine.
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-I am. That's... -Yeah. Guess
who's... guess who's the six.
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Know what I'm saying?
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Sometimes when we do this,
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I feel like I'm the six
right here.
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All right, all right,
let's move on
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to the big political news
from over the weekend.
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The Republican Party right now
is, uh, more divided
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than Kim Kardashian
and Kanye West.
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The big debate is between
a small handful of conservatives
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who think it is wrong
to try and steal an election
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versus the majority
of Republicans
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who say overthrowing democracy
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is just "legitimate
political discourse."
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Well, now Mike Pence
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has chosen a side.
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NEWSWOMAN: The former
Vice President Mike Pence
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rebuked
President Trump's insistence
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that Pence could have rejected
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the Electoral College results
on January 6th.
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President Trump
said I had the right
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to overturn the election.
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President Trump is wrong.
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And frankly, there is
no idea more un-American
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than the notion
that any one person
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could choose
the American president.
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Ooh, Mike Pence.
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Standing up to Donald Trump.
Hey, hey!
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Look at my guy trying new things
for the first time.
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Next week, player's gonna be
having sex with his eyes open.
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But still, good for Pence.
And it's gonna be fun
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watching him endorse Trump
for reelection in two years.
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"He was right,
I should have done it.
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And next time, maybe I will."
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Now, as-as part of the January
6th Committee's investigation,
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it has been collecting documents
from the Trump White House
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to find out what people
might have been saying
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at the time of the insurrection.
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And this has turned out
to be harder than it should
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For one,
Donald Trump had a habit
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of tearing up
everything that he read.
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Yeah.
And not even to hide stuff.
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Just anything he was done with,
he'd just tear it up
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and throw on the floor.
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Probably his revenge on paper
for making him read it.
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And now we're finding out
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that the stuff
Trump didn't tear up,
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he sometimes kept as souvenirs.
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The National Archives
had to head down to Mar-a-Lago
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to take back
some White House documents
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former President Trump
had apparently taken to Florida.
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According
to The Washington Post,
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Trump improperly removed
multiple boxes
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-from the White House.
-To be clear,
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by law, all those records
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should have been turned over
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and Records Administration.
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They say that this box mostly
contained things like mementos,
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you know,
letters between world leaders
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like, uh, leader of North Korea,
Kim Jong-un, for example.
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Aw, guys.
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I can't believe that Trump saved
Kim Jong-un's old love letters.
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That's so romantic.
And I-I get it.
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I really do. I get it.
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Like, a lot of people keep stuff
that's sentimental.
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Like I-I still keep
my old letters from high school.
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You know? I've got one here.
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Really beautiful. Uh...
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"Dear Trevor,
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"I love you.
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"You're like a brother to me.
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"A sweet, sweet younger brother.
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A real member of my family."
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Ha-ha. Damn, she wanted me bad.
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Honestly, I'm kind of surprised
that his own letters
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are the only thing that Trump
took from the White House.
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I'll-I'll be honest.
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Like, when he got kicked out,
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I thought he'd just stuff
as much stuff
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into his pockets as he could.
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You know?
Like, he'd get out there
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and then White House security
would shake him
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and the bust
of Frederick Douglass
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would just fall out
of his pants.
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He'd be like,
"I don't know who that is,
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"but I'm learning more and more
about him every day.
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"Fantastic guy.
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"I think we would have
gotten along great.
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So great."
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If these pictures
were in Korean, it's possible
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Trump thought that Eric
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-You know?
-(laughs)
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I think it's great that Pence,
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-uh, stepped up to Trump.
-Yeah.
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Not that Trump
probably even heard him,
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'cause he's just in the
metaverse harassing everybody.
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-(laughs) -But Pence
letting loose, I like this.
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I heard he tried 2% milk
for the first time as well.
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-He's getting edgy.
-He's getting edgy.
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-He's getting real edgy.
-He's getting edgy, yeah.
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-You saw him there. He
even paused for effect. -Yeah.
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"Trump said I could do this.
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-He was wrong."
-Yeah. That was good.
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-That was powerful. It was sexy.
-That was good. That was good.
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-Him and Mother tonight,
they might even hug. -(laughing)
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Yeah.
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All right,
that's it for the headlines.
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When we come back,
we're gonna be talking
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about the new Joe Rogan scandal
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that is rocking Spotify,
so don't go away.
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Welcome back to
The Daily Show.
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Let's talk about Joe Rogan,
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the scariest thing to come out
of the show Fear Factor.
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After a week of scandal
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surrounding
his anti-vaccine podcast,
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Joe Rogan is still in the news,
which is rare in America.
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I mean, in this country,
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news cycles are here today,
gone tomorrow.
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Breaking news-- dinosaurs have
come back from the dead
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and are destroying cities
around the globe.
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All right, moving on.
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Kim and Kanye
are fighting again.
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Now, if you remember,
the whole reason
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that Joe Rogan got into trouble
in the first place
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was because rock legend
Neil Young said
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that he refused to be on
the same platform as Joe Rogan
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if Joe Rogan was going to be
spreading lies about vaccines.
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So then, because of the
backlash, Joe Rogan apologized.
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And a lot of people were like,
"Okay, okay.
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We're moving
in the right direction."
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Even The Rock was like,
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"Great job, Joe Rogan.
Let's grab a drink."
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But just before Joe Rogan
could get that drink,
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another musician, India.Arie...
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♪ I am not my hair. ♪
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Well, she put out her own video
online saying
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that there's a different reason
that she doesn't want
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to be on the same platform
as Joe Rogan, and this was it.
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I'm going to leave
a short message here
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about why I decided to...
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why I decided to ask my music
be pulled off of Spotify.
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Spotify is built on the back
of the music streaming.
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So they take this money
that's built from streaming,
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and they pay this guy
$100 million,
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but they pay us
.003% sent of a penny?
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Just take me off.
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I don't want to generate money
that pays this.
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This is why. Watch this.
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You know, the "nigger" thing.
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Yeah, saying the word "nigger."
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I've...
You've already said "nigger."
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...D is just like "nigger."
Saying "nigger."
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She's calling you a nigger.
It's like this...
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Boy, that's a nigger.
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Starts calling them "niggers."
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Or nigger.
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There should be a word
like "nigger."
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Especially the word "nigger."
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That's our nigger.
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About niggers.
He says "nigger."
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...guy a nigger.
And there are niggers.
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Starts saying "nigger." Allowed
to use the word "nigger."
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About the word "nigger."
You'll see "nigger."
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Or nigger. Say "nigger," and you
couldn't say "nigger," and...
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House nigger.
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Whew!
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That's a lot... of the "N" word.
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And with the hard "e-r" as well,
which is never a good thing.
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If there's ever a video
of you saying the "N" word
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that many times, you better pray
one of two things.
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Either you're a Black person,
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or you're a dead man
from history.
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Yeah, 'cause then,
the worst they can do
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is take your statue down
and move it into a museum.
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(gasps)
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And as bad as it was
seeing a supercut of Joe Rogan
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dropping the "N" word like
he bought it in bulk at Costco,
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an even worse part
of the video... I know.
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Yeah, an even worse part
of the video is when Joe Rogan,
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again on his podcast, told
a story about going to a movie
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in a Black neighborhood,
and this is what he said.
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So I go,
"You got to go to one where
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there's
Planet of the Apes, man."
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We're gonna go see
Planet of the Apes.
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So I look on the iPhone app,
and it says,
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"Okay, take me to this one."
And the guy goes, "Okay."
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I go, "Is that
in a good neighborhood?"
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He's like, "Oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah."
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Guy barely speaks English.
He takes us there.
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We get out, and we're giggling.
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"Ooh, we're gonna go see
Planet of the Apes."
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-We walked into
Planet of the Apes. -(laughs)
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We walked into Africa, dude.
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We-we walked in the door,
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-and there was no white people.
-(mumbling)
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There was no white people.
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Wow.
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That video's so bad, it actually
made me miss the "N" word video.
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Ah, the good old days.
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I mean, you walk into a cinema
in a Black neighborhood,
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and you call it
Planet of the Apes?
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Whew.
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I mean, unless he means
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he was blown away
by the Black neighborhood's
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cinematography and storytelling.
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Although, I doubt it.
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Anyway, because of this video,
right, and India.Arie,
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Joe Rogan was forced
to make yet another stop
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on his apology world tour.
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And this one was a lot more, and
I mean, a lot more apologetic
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than his vaccine video.
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I'm making this video to talk
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about the most regretful
and shameful thing
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that I've ever had
to talk about publicly.
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There's a video that's out
that's a compilation
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of me saying the N-word.
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It's a video that's made
of clips taken out of context
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of me of 12 years
of conversations on my podcast,
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and it's all smushed together,
and it looks (bleep) horrible,
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even to me.
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Now, I know that to most people
there is no context
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where a white person is
ever allowed to say that word,
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never mind publicly
on a podcast.
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And I agree with that now.
I haven't said it in years.
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But for a long time,
when I would bring that word up,
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like, if it would come up
in conversation,
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instead of saying "the N-word,"
I would just say the word.
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Like, that context was--
part of the clip
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we were talking about Redd Foxx,
how Redd Foxx said that word
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on television in the 1970s
and how times have changed
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so much since then.
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Or about how Richard Pryor
used it as one of the titles
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of one of his albums.
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But for years I used it
in that manner.
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I never used it to be racist,
because I'm not racist.
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But whenever
you're in a situation
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where you have to say
"I'm not racist,"
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you (bleep) up.
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And I clearly have (bleep) up.
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Yeah, you can tell Joe Rogan
knows he is in trouble.
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Because in the vaccine video,
if you remember it,
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like, he's outside,
he's enjoying a nice day.
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Here, he was in the library.
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He's like: Look, I'm learning.
See the books?
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I'm learning.
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00:15:06,774 --> 00:15:08,142
This shit is serious.
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And you can tell it's serious,
you can tell
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because he's like: Guys,
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my brain used to think
a certain way.
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It does not think that way
anymore at all.
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I disavow that man.
I disavow him.
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You know what this
kind of reminds me of?
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It kind of reminds me of when
my mom used to get the belt,
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and I was a little kid,
and I'd be like:
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Mommy, Mommy,
old Trevor liked cookies.
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00:15:30,064 --> 00:15:33,334
But new Trevor does not think
that way anymore.
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New Trevor doesn't even know
where the cookies are,
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on the top shelf,
and going forward,
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I only want to eat vegetables,
Mommy, please...
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00:15:41,209 --> 00:15:43,344
(crying, trembling)
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00:15:45,780 --> 00:15:47,215
Now, even though
Rogan apologized,
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this was strange,
a lot of people were arguing
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sort of against his apology,
saying that the N-word
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with context is totally fine
for a white person to say. Yeah.
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00:15:55,657 --> 00:15:57,692
You know? And I understand
what they're saying.
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00:15:57,792 --> 00:16:00,261
Like, you know, maybe you're
a professor teaching history,
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maybe you're a news anchor
reporting on a story
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about Joe Rogan,
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maybe you're
in a Quentin Tarantino movie,
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and you have to use the N-word,
because if you don't,
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then the movie has no dialogue.
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00:16:10,872 --> 00:16:12,340
But...
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but for the most part,
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as a white person, you
never need to use the N-word.
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Right? Don't, like, need.
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For example,
I've gone this entire story
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saying "the N-word,"
and everyone has understood
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exactly what I've meant.
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00:16:25,753 --> 00:16:28,056
Right? Nobody's
sitting at home going:
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Nutella? Neanderthal?
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00:16:30,358 --> 00:16:31,559
Nelly Furtado?
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00:16:31,659 --> 00:16:34,629
Why is Trevor being so vague?
What is the word?
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00:16:34,729 --> 00:16:36,631
In fact, here's a life hack
for white people.
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00:16:36,731 --> 00:16:40,635
Saying the actual N-word
puts you in unnecessary trouble.
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Especially if you're not racist.
It doesn't matter the context.
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Because Black people
don't have the time
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to sit down and sort out
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the racist who says the N-word
70 times
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with the non-racist
who says the N-word 70 times.
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Black people are dealing
with too much shit.
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00:16:54,015 --> 00:16:56,184
No, no, look,
look at how I was using it.
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00:16:56,284 --> 00:16:58,086
No, dude,
no one's got the time for that.
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00:16:58,186 --> 00:17:00,555
Just stop saying it
or just be racist.
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00:17:00,655 --> 00:17:02,924
It's easier for everyone
that way.
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00:17:03,024 --> 00:17:06,628
So look, I'm glad that Joe Rogan
has gone: You know what?
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I didn't need to use that word
all those times.
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Because people need to learn,
and I'm glad that he has.
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00:17:13,868 --> 00:17:15,770
Right? So Joe Rogan is saying
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that him using the word
in context wasn't racist,
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but it was ignorant
and not cool. Okay, fine.
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00:17:21,743 --> 00:17:24,712
But don't forget,
there's also the story
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where Joe Rogan calls
Black people "apes."
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And so for that part
of the apology,
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Joe Rogan says this.
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I did not nor would I ever say
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that Black people are apes,
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but it sure (bleep) sounded
like that.
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I was just saying there's
a lot of Black people there.
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But then I went on to talk
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about what
a positive experience it was
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and how much fun it was
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to go to see this movie
in a Black neighborhood.
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00:17:52,740 --> 00:17:55,777
It wasn't a racist story,
but it sounded terrible.
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00:17:55,877 --> 00:17:57,846
It's a (bleep) idiotic thing
to say,
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and I was just trying
to be entertaining.
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I certainly wasn't trying
to be racist,
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and I certainly would never want
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to offend someone
for entertainment
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with something
as stupid as racism.
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All right,
I'm-I'm not gonna lie.
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I have a few issues
with this part of the video.
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First of all, he says he would
never say Black people are apes,
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but he said that.
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00:18:19,934 --> 00:18:21,569
He...
That's literally what he said.
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00:18:21,669 --> 00:18:23,505
If you said
you walked into a Black place
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and it was Planet of the Apes,
then you said that.
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00:18:25,940 --> 00:18:27,575
You said... You can't be like,
"Oh, no, I didn't say..."
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You did say it,
which is racist, right?
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00:18:30,044 --> 00:18:32,413
And it's not just racist.
Like, let's-let's be honest.
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It's not just racist.
That's, like, OG racism.
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00:18:35,083 --> 00:18:37,519
That's, like, like,
the original old-school ra...
476
00:18:37,619 --> 00:18:39,654
Like, that's
on the Mount Rushmore of racism.
477
00:18:39,754 --> 00:18:41,189
You know?
"Black people are apes."
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It's right next
to burning crosses
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00:18:43,024 --> 00:18:46,494
and then, like, every Bugs Bunny
cartoon from the 1940s.
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What I found
particularly illuminating
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is-is when he says,
"I wasn't being racist.
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I was just being entertaining."
483
00:18:54,269 --> 00:18:57,672
No, Joe,
I think you were using racism
484
00:18:57,772 --> 00:18:59,607
to be entertaining.
485
00:18:59,707 --> 00:19:01,609
You understand what I'm saying?
I'm not saying
486
00:19:01,709 --> 00:19:03,778
you were trying to offend
Black people, by the way.
487
00:19:03,878 --> 00:19:07,182
But you knew that offending
Black people would get a laugh
488
00:19:07,282 --> 00:19:09,284
out of those white friends
that you're with.
489
00:19:09,384 --> 00:19:11,252
And please understand this.
Understand this, guys.
490
00:19:11,352 --> 00:19:12,821
I'm a comedian. Right?
491
00:19:12,921 --> 00:19:14,756
Which you would know if I had
a live audience right now.
492
00:19:14,856 --> 00:19:16,524
Yeah. They would be like...
493
00:19:16,624 --> 00:19:19,294
(laughing): "Trevor, you're
the greatest of all time."
494
00:19:19,394 --> 00:19:20,895
Yeah. But I am a comedian,
495
00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:23,765
and I love making jokes,
and I love hearing jokes,
496
00:19:23,865 --> 00:19:25,900
and I love... I love
all kinds of jokes, all right?
497
00:19:26,034 --> 00:19:28,570
I love safe jokes.
I like dark jokes.
498
00:19:28,670 --> 00:19:30,071
I like jokes.
499
00:19:30,171 --> 00:19:32,707
But just because
something is a joke
500
00:19:32,807 --> 00:19:35,410
doesn't mean it can't be
something else, as well.
501
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:37,812
Because a joke can be racist.
502
00:19:37,912 --> 00:19:41,649
All right? In fact,
a joke can be racist and funny
503
00:19:41,749 --> 00:19:43,685
if you're telling it
to the right crowd.
504
00:19:43,785 --> 00:19:45,520
There's no joke where
somebody... "It's never funny."
505
00:19:45,620 --> 00:19:47,088
Yeah, someone can find it funny.
506
00:19:47,188 --> 00:19:48,890
But the laughs don't mean
that there's no racism.
507
00:19:48,990 --> 00:19:50,425
Think of it this way.
Think of it this way.
508
00:19:50,525 --> 00:19:52,760
If I rob a bank
and I get busted,
509
00:19:52,861 --> 00:19:54,829
I can't defend myself by saying,
510
00:19:54,929 --> 00:19:56,865
"No, guys, I did it as a joke."
511
00:19:56,965 --> 00:19:58,967
"Yeah, but you pistol-whipped
the bank teller."
512
00:19:59,067 --> 00:20:01,369
"Yeah, but I made a funny sound
when I did it.
513
00:20:01,469 --> 00:20:02,837
"I was like..."
(imitates boinging)
514
00:20:02,937 --> 00:20:04,539
"'Give me the money, bitch.'
515
00:20:04,639 --> 00:20:06,641
So, do I get to go now?"
516
00:20:06,741 --> 00:20:07,842
So, yeah, Joe Rogan is saying
517
00:20:07,942 --> 00:20:09,410
that he would never say
something racist.
518
00:20:09,511 --> 00:20:11,813
And now, because of that,
after seeing the video,
519
00:20:11,913 --> 00:20:12,981
a lot of his fans are like,
520
00:20:13,081 --> 00:20:15,049
"Yeah, he would never say
something racist.
521
00:20:15,150 --> 00:20:16,551
"It's just a joke.
You guys are uptight.
522
00:20:16,651 --> 00:20:18,987
He would never say something
racist. The joke is not racist."
523
00:20:19,087 --> 00:20:20,955
And you know what?
I-I can have my opinion,
524
00:20:21,055 --> 00:20:23,091
and you can have
your opinion. Fine.
525
00:20:23,191 --> 00:20:24,192
But you know whose opinion
526
00:20:24,292 --> 00:20:26,094
I think matters more
than most people
527
00:20:26,194 --> 00:20:27,662
is Joe Rogan.
528
00:20:27,762 --> 00:20:31,099
And here's what Joe Rogan said
about his joke
529
00:20:31,199 --> 00:20:32,901
when he said it.
530
00:20:33,001 --> 00:20:35,069
We walk into Planet of the Apes.
531
00:20:35,170 --> 00:20:37,539
-(laughing)
-We walked into Africa, dude.
532
00:20:37,639 --> 00:20:39,941
We-we walked in the door,
533
00:20:40,041 --> 00:20:41,743
-and there was no white people.
-Ayo!
534
00:20:41,843 --> 00:20:43,178
There was no white people.
535
00:20:43,278 --> 00:20:45,046
We... Planet of the Apes
didn't take place in Africa.
536
00:20:45,146 --> 00:20:47,148
That was a racist thing
for me to say.
537
00:20:47,248 --> 00:20:48,483
Yeah, exactly!
538
00:20:48,583 --> 00:20:49,951
It is a racist thing
for you to say.
539
00:20:50,051 --> 00:20:51,519
You say it's racist.
But then in the video,
540
00:20:51,619 --> 00:20:53,588
you're gonna be like,
"Oh, it wasn't-wasn't racist."
541
00:20:53,688 --> 00:20:55,056
Joe Rogan said a racist thing
542
00:20:55,089 --> 00:20:56,724
and them immediately
acknowledged that it was racist.
543
00:20:56,825 --> 00:20:57,959
Literally when he said it.
He said it,
544
00:20:58,059 --> 00:20:59,394
and then he's like,
"Well, that was racist."
545
00:20:59,494 --> 00:21:01,062
And then now he's like,
"I'd never say a racist..."
546
00:21:01,095 --> 00:21:03,364
Like, this whole thing
makes me go like,
547
00:21:03,464 --> 00:21:06,734
why are people so adamant
that it wasn't racist?
548
00:21:06,835 --> 00:21:08,136
Why... Like, why do people...
549
00:21:08,236 --> 00:21:09,437
People do a thing that's racist,
550
00:21:09,537 --> 00:21:10,839
and then they go like,
"No, it's not racist."
551
00:21:10,939 --> 00:21:13,241
Can I be honest with you?
Honestly, I'm not a scholar.
552
00:21:13,341 --> 00:21:15,710
I'm not, like... Whatever.
This is my opinion.
553
00:21:15,810 --> 00:21:18,446
I think it's because people
are just truly petrified
554
00:21:18,546 --> 00:21:21,449
of having the label "racist"
branded on them for life.
555
00:21:21,549 --> 00:21:22,917
That's what people
are really afraid of.
556
00:21:23,084 --> 00:21:24,853
No one wants
to be called a racist
557
00:21:24,953 --> 00:21:27,589
'cause then they're like,
"How long am I a racist for?
558
00:21:27,689 --> 00:21:29,090
"Does it...
Like, am I racist for life?
559
00:21:29,157 --> 00:21:30,692
"Am I racist...
I can't get jobs?
560
00:21:30,792 --> 00:21:32,393
"Am I ra... No, no,
I just want to be racist,
561
00:21:32,494 --> 00:21:34,095
but I don't want
to be called a racist."
562
00:21:34,162 --> 00:21:35,430
Which is understandable.
563
00:21:35,530 --> 00:21:37,532
But it also makes people
unable to admit
564
00:21:37,632 --> 00:21:40,101
when they say or do
something racist. Right?
565
00:21:40,201 --> 00:21:42,203
They would rather die on the
hill of them not being racist
566
00:21:42,303 --> 00:21:44,038
even if it means
giving convoluted excuses
567
00:21:44,072 --> 00:21:45,440
that don't make any sense.
568
00:21:45,540 --> 00:21:47,375
So, anyway,
after all those videos come out,
569
00:21:47,475 --> 00:21:50,278
Joe Rogan
got into even more hot water.
570
00:21:50,378 --> 00:21:52,313
Yeah. More artists spoke out.
571
00:21:52,413 --> 00:21:54,482
The Rock pulled his support.
572
00:21:54,582 --> 00:21:56,451
And now, because of that,
573
00:21:56,551 --> 00:21:59,854
more of his podcast videos
are coming under scrutiny.
574
00:21:59,954 --> 00:22:01,923
Right? There's a video
where Rogan is promoting
575
00:22:02,056 --> 00:22:03,158
the Proud Boys.
576
00:22:03,258 --> 00:22:04,526
Uh, there's-there's videos
577
00:22:04,626 --> 00:22:06,461
where he's laughing about, like,
578
00:22:06,561 --> 00:22:09,330
female comedians being forced
to perform sexual favors
579
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:11,099
in exchange for stage time.
580
00:22:11,199 --> 00:22:12,500
Like, the videos,
they're horrible
581
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:13,968
and they just keep coming.
582
00:22:14,068 --> 00:22:16,237
And if there's something you-you
shouldn't have said in public,
583
00:22:16,337 --> 00:22:19,307
basically, Rogan has said it
on his podcast,
584
00:22:19,407 --> 00:22:22,644
which, as you can imagine, is a
pretty big problem for Spotify.
585
00:22:22,744 --> 00:22:26,981
Because now they own
$100 million worth of problems.
586
00:22:27,081 --> 00:22:28,283
So, this weekend,
587
00:22:28,383 --> 00:22:29,951
after dealing with
all the episodes
588
00:22:30,084 --> 00:22:31,319
with vaccine information,
589
00:22:31,419 --> 00:22:32,987
Spotify was now scrambling
590
00:22:33,087 --> 00:22:36,658
to take down all the offensive
episodes that they could find.
591
00:22:36,758 --> 00:22:38,726
In fact,
I-I think we have some footage
592
00:22:38,827 --> 00:22:42,030
of Spotify headquarters
over the weekend.
593
00:22:42,096 --> 00:22:43,565
-(alarm wailing)
-We are taking heavy fire!
594
00:22:43,665 --> 00:22:45,033
I need you to delete
those podcasts.
595
00:22:45,099 --> 00:22:46,801
We're deleting them
as fast as we can.
596
00:22:46,901 --> 00:22:48,803
We're still getting backlash
from the vaccines.
597
00:22:48,903 --> 00:22:51,039
-I can't make it stop.
-New reports of misogyny
598
00:22:51,072 --> 00:22:52,473
are popping up everywhere.
599
00:22:52,574 --> 00:22:54,909
Sir, incoming
Planet of the Apes story!
600
00:22:55,043 --> 00:22:57,045
♪ ♪
601
00:23:04,352 --> 00:23:06,654
Those bastards
never stood a chance.
602
00:23:06,754 --> 00:23:08,056
No, but, for real though,
Spotify is having
603
00:23:08,089 --> 00:23:10,558
a-a hell of a time
navigating the situation.
604
00:23:10,658 --> 00:23:12,393
Um, and you can tell,
605
00:23:12,494 --> 00:23:16,164
like, how tough this is
from the response of their CEO.
606
00:23:16,264 --> 00:23:18,500
NEWSWOMAN:
Spotify and its CEO Daniel Ek
607
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,702
responding
to the latest controversy
608
00:23:20,802 --> 00:23:22,737
around The Joe Rogan Experience.
609
00:23:22,837 --> 00:23:25,473
In a memo to staff, Ek said...
610
00:23:33,081 --> 00:23:37,919
Ek adding he does not believe
silencing Rogan is the answer.
611
00:23:38,019 --> 00:23:40,188
NEWSMAN: Ek said
he is committing $100 million,
612
00:23:40,288 --> 00:23:42,457
the same amount
as Rogan's reported contract,
613
00:23:42,557 --> 00:23:45,126
to license, develop
and market audio content
614
00:23:45,226 --> 00:23:48,263
from creators from historically
marginalized groups.
615
00:23:48,363 --> 00:23:49,764
Aw, man.
616
00:23:49,864 --> 00:23:52,767
You got to feel bad for Spotify.
617
00:23:52,867 --> 00:23:54,903
You know? They just want to be
a company
618
00:23:55,036 --> 00:23:56,437
that screws over musicians.
619
00:23:56,538 --> 00:23:58,540
And now they got to deal
with racism? Ah!
620
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,808
They just can't catch a break.
621
00:24:00,909 --> 00:24:04,179
But, yeah, Spotify will spend
622
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:06,381
Joe Rogan's exact salary
623
00:24:06,481 --> 00:24:08,650
on amplifying the voices
of marginalized groups.
624
00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:10,051
That's what they say
they're gonna do.
625
00:24:10,151 --> 00:24:11,653
Which I guess is supposed
to make them look good,
626
00:24:11,753 --> 00:24:13,221
but it's
also kind of an admission
627
00:24:13,321 --> 00:24:16,825
that Rogan's podcast
is bad for those groups, right?
628
00:24:16,925 --> 00:24:19,060
Like, otherwise, you wouldn't
need to balance him out.
629
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,528
Does that make sense?
630
00:24:20,628 --> 00:24:22,931
Like, there's a reason that
Spotify has never been forced
631
00:24:23,064 --> 00:24:25,533
to give $100 million
to marginalized groups
632
00:24:25,633 --> 00:24:28,069
because of This American Life.
633
00:24:28,136 --> 00:24:30,471
I mean, whipping out your
checkbook is the classic sign
634
00:24:30,572 --> 00:24:32,073
that you know you (bleep)ed up.
635
00:24:32,106 --> 00:24:33,341
It's not real accountability.
636
00:24:33,441 --> 00:24:35,143
It's how rich dudes
get out of car accidents
637
00:24:35,243 --> 00:24:36,678
when they know
that it was their fault.
638
00:24:36,778 --> 00:24:38,046
You know? It's just like,
"Wow, looks like
639
00:24:38,146 --> 00:24:40,014
"I really wrecked you there. Ha.
640
00:24:40,081 --> 00:24:42,083
"So, how much does a new kid
cost these days?
641
00:24:42,183 --> 00:24:43,518
"Ha-ha. Two million?
642
00:24:43,618 --> 00:24:45,920
Three?"
(laughing)
643
00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:48,089
You see, that was a--
that was a dark joke.
644
00:24:48,189 --> 00:24:50,158
And if I had an audience
right now, they'd be like,
645
00:24:50,258 --> 00:24:53,628
"Ha, why are you saying that
about children, Trev? Boo!"
646
00:24:53,728 --> 00:24:55,363
And Spotify can say
that Rogan's comments
647
00:24:55,463 --> 00:24:57,165
don't represent
the company's values. You know?
648
00:24:57,265 --> 00:24:59,501
That's what they said.
They said, "These podcasts
649
00:24:59,601 --> 00:25:03,037
do not represent
Spotify's values."
650
00:25:03,104 --> 00:25:04,806
But... (sighs)
like, when companies say that,
651
00:25:04,906 --> 00:25:07,342
I'm like, "Guys,
clearly, the company's values
652
00:25:07,442 --> 00:25:09,878
are making money."
653
00:25:10,044 --> 00:25:12,046
Like-- And no shade, by the way.
654
00:25:12,113 --> 00:25:14,482
Those are the values
of every company.
655
00:25:14,582 --> 00:25:15,850
You know?
Part of me actually wishes
656
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:17,385
that Spotify
would just drop the façade.
657
00:25:17,485 --> 00:25:19,254
Just come out and be like,
"We do not believe
658
00:25:19,354 --> 00:25:20,788
"in silencing Joe Rogan,
659
00:25:20,889 --> 00:25:22,657
"because he makes us money.
660
00:25:22,757 --> 00:25:25,260
"But if, at some point,
he ends up costing us money,
661
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:27,128
"then we will drop him.
662
00:25:27,228 --> 00:25:29,130
Because money."
663
00:25:29,230 --> 00:25:31,065
So...
664
00:25:31,166 --> 00:25:33,801
is Joe Rogan a racist
because he said these things?
665
00:25:33,902 --> 00:25:36,337
I mean, people are gonna go back
and forth forever on this.
666
00:25:36,437 --> 00:25:37,739
You know,
it-it almost made me think
667
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:39,874
maybe the question
we should be asking is,
668
00:25:40,008 --> 00:25:43,545
at what point
is a person a racist?
669
00:25:44,712 --> 00:25:46,714
Is it when they do
a racist thing?
670
00:25:46,815 --> 00:25:49,851
Or is it when they do
many racist things?
671
00:25:50,018 --> 00:25:53,488
Or is it-- is it about
the severity of the racism?
672
00:25:53,588 --> 00:25:56,691
And then how do you measure
the severity of racism?
673
00:25:57,659 --> 00:26:00,728
Truth is, everyone
is gonna have their own answer.
674
00:26:00,829 --> 00:26:03,331
You know?
Spotify has chosen theirs.
675
00:26:03,431 --> 00:26:04,566
And, as for Joe Rogan,
676
00:26:04,666 --> 00:26:07,635
he says he's learned his lesson.
677
00:26:07,735 --> 00:26:09,571
And I hope he has.
678
00:26:09,671 --> 00:26:11,940
But I will say, if I were him,
679
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,676
I wouldn't walk into a cinema
in a Black neighborhood
680
00:26:14,776 --> 00:26:16,277
for a little while.
681
00:26:16,377 --> 00:26:17,612
All right, when we come back,
682
00:26:17,712 --> 00:26:19,347
the head of the EPA
will be joining me on the show
683
00:26:19,447 --> 00:26:21,883
to tell me where you're
most likely to get cancer.
684
00:26:22,050 --> 00:26:23,485
So stay tuned.
685
00:26:25,026 --> 00:26:26,327
Welcome back to
The Daily Show.
686
00:26:26,427 --> 00:26:28,296
My guest tonight is
Michael Regan,
687
00:26:28,396 --> 00:26:29,797
the first Black male
administrator
688
00:26:29,897 --> 00:26:32,133
to lead the
Environmental Protection Agency.
689
00:26:32,233 --> 00:26:34,936
He's here to talk
about his tour of Cancer Alley
690
00:26:35,036 --> 00:26:37,972
and advancing
environmental justice.
691
00:26:38,072 --> 00:26:40,475
-Administrator Regan, welcome
to The Daily Show. -Thank you.
692
00:26:40,575 --> 00:26:42,610
-Glad to be here.
-I'm glad to have you here,
693
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:44,779
you know, because, I mean,
this is the environment.
694
00:26:44,879 --> 00:26:46,447
We are all in the environment.
695
00:26:46,547 --> 00:26:49,150
And you are now tasked
with, um, I mean, essentially
696
00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:51,552
making sure that we can breathe,
697
00:26:51,652 --> 00:26:53,087
we can drink water
and we can live.
698
00:26:53,187 --> 00:26:56,023
-I feel like your life sort of
set you up for this. -Yeah.
699
00:26:56,123 --> 00:26:59,127
Because if my research
is correct, you grew up, um,
700
00:26:59,227 --> 00:27:00,528
was it with a type of asthma?
701
00:27:00,628 --> 00:27:04,832
Yeah, a type of respiratory
illness where any time
702
00:27:04,932 --> 00:27:07,802
there was an ozone action day
or a lot of pollution,
703
00:27:07,902 --> 00:27:09,837
-I-I'd struggle.
-Uh-huh. Wow.
704
00:27:09,937 --> 00:27:14,475
And that was really a setback
for me because I grew up hunting
705
00:27:14,575 --> 00:27:16,477
-and fishing with my father
and grandfather. -Uh-huh.
706
00:27:16,577 --> 00:27:19,180
So being outdoors meant
everything to me
707
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,848
because it was
a cultural experience,
708
00:27:20,948 --> 00:27:22,583
learning from them
and being with them,
709
00:27:22,683 --> 00:27:26,220
and any moment that I missed
being with them,
710
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,824
I was in the house
because I was on that inhaler,
711
00:27:29,924 --> 00:27:31,826
or worried about some pollution.
712
00:27:31,926 --> 00:27:33,561
-Right, right, right.
I feel like that's a... -Yeah.
713
00:27:33,661 --> 00:27:35,863
-It's an origin story. That's
what it is. -Yeah. Yeah, well...
714
00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:37,665
You know, it's like the
pollution affected your ability
715
00:27:37,765 --> 00:27:39,700
to have fun with your family,
and you're, like,
716
00:27:39,801 --> 00:27:41,702
-"I'm gonna get you, pollution!"
-(laughing)
717
00:27:41,803 --> 00:27:44,338
And look at you now--
administrator of the EPA.
718
00:27:44,438 --> 00:27:46,340
Unfortunately,
we learn every day
719
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,744
about communities around America
where they don't have water
720
00:27:49,844 --> 00:27:51,212
that is not polluted
by industries
721
00:27:51,312 --> 00:27:53,381
that are up the road
or up the stream.
722
00:27:53,481 --> 00:27:55,750
Because of the color
of their skin, nobody cares.
723
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:57,318
I mean, you read the history
of America.
724
00:27:57,418 --> 00:27:59,387
Every single time people plan
where to put a factory
725
00:27:59,487 --> 00:28:02,223
or how the factory
will affect the neighborhood,
726
00:28:02,323 --> 00:28:03,691
-it's never
in a rich neighborhood. -Yeah.
727
00:28:03,791 --> 00:28:05,159
It's never
in a nice neighborhood.
728
00:28:05,259 --> 00:28:06,594
It's always in a place
where the people there
729
00:28:06,694 --> 00:28:08,963
have the least access
to power to oppose that.
730
00:28:09,063 --> 00:28:11,265
How does the EPA step in,
and how do you...
731
00:28:11,365 --> 00:28:13,601
how do you change things
like Cancer Alley,
732
00:28:13,701 --> 00:28:16,838
which is insane to even have
as a name in a country?
733
00:28:16,938 --> 00:28:20,074
It is, and everything
I do at EPA
734
00:28:20,107 --> 00:28:22,076
is through the lens
of environmental justice.
735
00:28:22,143 --> 00:28:24,011
Contracting, procurement,
736
00:28:24,111 --> 00:28:27,248
air quality, water quality,
land management
737
00:28:27,348 --> 00:28:31,118
starts with: are we protecting
the least amongst us,
738
00:28:31,219 --> 00:28:33,087
those who have lacked
political representation
739
00:28:33,187 --> 00:28:36,591
-Mm-hmm. -and those who have not
been at the table for decades?
740
00:28:36,691 --> 00:28:40,161
And to your point,
systemic racism is by design,
741
00:28:40,261 --> 00:28:42,497
and the environment is
no different
742
00:28:42,597 --> 00:28:45,867
than policing or,
you know, incarceration
743
00:28:46,033 --> 00:28:47,268
-Mm-hmm.
-or housing.
744
00:28:47,368 --> 00:28:50,471
And so this administration has
an "all of the above,"
745
00:28:50,571 --> 00:28:52,173
"all of government" approach.
746
00:28:52,273 --> 00:28:55,409
So as I think about lead
and the eradication of lead
747
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:59,580
in this country, I'm partnering
with the secretary of housing,
748
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,816
-I see. -who is thinking
about lead paint
749
00:29:01,916 --> 00:29:03,484
while I'm thinking about water.
750
00:29:03,584 --> 00:29:05,820
This is about making sure
that we protect all people.
751
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,522
And I'm excited
to be on this team.
752
00:29:07,622 --> 00:29:10,224
-I'll be honest with you.
-Here's the dilemma, though.
753
00:29:10,324 --> 00:29:13,861
You have a wonderful outlook.
754
00:29:13,961 --> 00:29:15,296
You want to do things.
755
00:29:15,396 --> 00:29:17,965
-The counter is always money.
-Hmm.
756
00:29:18,065 --> 00:29:19,567
Money and the interests
of monies.
757
00:29:19,667 --> 00:29:21,602
So you say:
I want to protect this land.
758
00:29:21,702 --> 00:29:23,070
I want to protect this stream.
759
00:29:23,171 --> 00:29:26,040
Money says:
Oh, we want to turn that into,
760
00:29:26,140 --> 00:29:29,243
like, an oil pipeline,
or we want to do something
761
00:29:29,343 --> 00:29:32,046
with this land where we're
going to destroy the vegetation
762
00:29:32,146 --> 00:29:34,549
but also,
but create jobs and money.
763
00:29:34,649 --> 00:29:36,818
How do you manage that
as the head of the EPA,
764
00:29:36,918 --> 00:29:38,820
knowing full well
that the people with money
765
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,588
are gonna put pressure
on your bosses to say, like,
766
00:29:40,688 --> 00:29:43,157
"No, no, no, no, too much
environment, we need money."
767
00:29:43,257 --> 00:29:46,894
Oh, yeah, money is absolutely
both a blessing and a curse.
768
00:29:47,028 --> 00:29:49,764
And here's the reality.
We are convinced
769
00:29:49,864 --> 00:29:51,866
that you have to choose
between jobs,
770
00:29:52,033 --> 00:29:53,935
economic prosperity
and development
771
00:29:54,035 --> 00:29:56,304
and protecting people
and the planet, and you don't.
772
00:29:56,404 --> 00:29:58,473
It requires
all levels of government
773
00:29:58,573 --> 00:30:01,275
working with communities
to determine what's best
774
00:30:01,375 --> 00:30:02,844
and how to do it.
775
00:30:02,944 --> 00:30:05,446
And the thing circling back
to environmental justice,
776
00:30:05,546 --> 00:30:07,515
you don't have to put
every refinery
777
00:30:07,615 --> 00:30:10,885
and every pipeline in every
Black and brown neighborhood
778
00:30:11,052 --> 00:30:14,255
or cutting across every
tribal community or reservation.
779
00:30:14,355 --> 00:30:17,825
There are ways to think about
how we do economic development
780
00:30:17,925 --> 00:30:21,162
and create jobs in a way
that don't overly burden
781
00:30:21,262 --> 00:30:22,864
-certain communities.
-Mm.
782
00:30:22,964 --> 00:30:25,399
And by the way, when we think
about climate change
783
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:26,767
and clean energy,
784
00:30:26,868 --> 00:30:30,104
this is about taking advantage
of the future.
785
00:30:30,204 --> 00:30:32,773
Our economy and society
is evolving.
786
00:30:32,874 --> 00:30:35,643
Clean energy,
clean opportunities
787
00:30:35,743 --> 00:30:38,880
create opportunities for jobs
and economic development.
788
00:30:39,013 --> 00:30:41,115
-Right.
-So it makes this country
789
00:30:41,215 --> 00:30:43,050
more globally competitive
790
00:30:43,151 --> 00:30:45,319
if we get the jump
on countries like China,
791
00:30:45,419 --> 00:30:46,687
India and others
792
00:30:46,787 --> 00:30:48,723
to deploy these practices
at home.
793
00:30:48,823 --> 00:30:51,159
And by the way,
deploy them at home,
794
00:30:51,259 --> 00:30:53,528
and if we start
with the most polluted areas,
795
00:30:53,628 --> 00:30:56,831
we will be starting with
the people who can... who can...
796
00:30:56,931 --> 00:30:59,534
who are the least amongst us
and can handle
797
00:30:59,634 --> 00:31:01,669
these disproportionate
pollution impacts.
798
00:31:01,769 --> 00:31:03,638
So start there,
protect those people,
799
00:31:03,738 --> 00:31:05,239
create jobs
in those communities,
800
00:31:05,339 --> 00:31:07,275
move forward
to a clean energy economy
801
00:31:07,375 --> 00:31:09,277
and continue
to be globally dominant.
802
00:31:09,377 --> 00:31:11,579
That's the way we should be
thinking about this.
803
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:13,815
Many people like the idea
of clean energy.
804
00:31:13,915 --> 00:31:16,417
-Mm-hmm.
-Changing to the clean energy
805
00:31:16,517 --> 00:31:18,286
seems like that's gonna be
the biggest hurdle of all.
806
00:31:18,386 --> 00:31:20,054
You know, I love clean energy,
807
00:31:20,121 --> 00:31:22,456
but I also know
that we won't be able
808
00:31:22,557 --> 00:31:25,293
to wean ourselves off
of coal tomorrow.
809
00:31:25,393 --> 00:31:27,795
We won't be able to not...
to stop using oil tomorrow
810
00:31:27,895 --> 00:31:29,497
not just because of our need
811
00:31:29,597 --> 00:31:30,998
but also
because of the energy...
812
00:31:31,065 --> 00:31:32,900
uh, the people who work
in those industries.
813
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,770
-Mm-hmm. -What do you think
a realistic outlook is?
814
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:37,305
-You want to keep
moving forward. -Right.
815
00:31:37,405 --> 00:31:39,207
But you don't want to be in
a place where all of a sudden,
816
00:31:39,307 --> 00:31:40,575
you cut off your nose
to spite your face.
817
00:31:40,675 --> 00:31:42,343
So how do you find that balance
of progress
818
00:31:42,443 --> 00:31:45,179
whilst also not alienating
what we do today?
819
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,181
I mean, this is why
I have conversations
820
00:31:47,281 --> 00:31:49,150
with the secretary
of the Department of Defense,
821
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:52,153
Labor, Commerce, uh, Energy.
822
00:31:52,253 --> 00:31:55,089
It takes, uh,
planning across government.
823
00:31:55,189 --> 00:31:57,191
The reality is
is at one point in time,
824
00:31:57,291 --> 00:31:58,793
people liked
their rotary phones.
825
00:31:58,893 --> 00:32:01,329
And then all of a sudden,
we had iPhones.
826
00:32:01,429 --> 00:32:03,131
If we create platforms,
827
00:32:03,231 --> 00:32:05,266
technology will move
to those platforms
828
00:32:05,366 --> 00:32:07,535
-and drive society forward.
-Mmm.
829
00:32:07,635 --> 00:32:11,205
If we can have an electric grid
that's just as smart as the web
830
00:32:11,305 --> 00:32:14,342
and we can put clean energy apps
831
00:32:14,442 --> 00:32:16,410
-on this platform...
-Oh, that's interesting.
832
00:32:16,511 --> 00:32:19,180
...then you get society
moving forward.
833
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,415
-And, by the way...
-So you're-- If--
834
00:32:21,516 --> 00:32:22,850
Sorry to interrupt you.
You're almost saying
835
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:25,186
w-we're still in, like,
the dumb energy phase
836
00:32:25,286 --> 00:32:27,121
-of how we use electricity and
how we-- how we... -Absolutely.
837
00:32:27,221 --> 00:32:29,590
...how we route it around a town
or around a city, a country.
838
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:32,727
Absolutely. And if we want
to take advantage
839
00:32:32,827 --> 00:32:34,495
of society moving forward,
840
00:32:34,595 --> 00:32:37,064
we all know we have
to master technologies
841
00:32:37,165 --> 00:32:39,200
-and we have to do it before
other countries do it. -Mm-hmm.
842
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:42,069
So, again, this is just as much
about national security
843
00:32:42,170 --> 00:32:45,039
as it is about saving
the planet and creating jobs.
844
00:32:45,139 --> 00:32:48,442
The question is, do we not take
these opportunities
845
00:32:48,543 --> 00:32:50,311
because of political rhetoric?
846
00:32:50,411 --> 00:32:54,248
Why should we not move forward
and create new jobs
847
00:32:54,348 --> 00:32:56,450
and participate
in global competitiveness
848
00:32:56,551 --> 00:33:00,788
and let technologies make life
for us smarter and easier
849
00:33:00,888 --> 00:33:03,291
because we want to hold on
to the past?
850
00:33:03,391 --> 00:33:06,661
That's where moneyed interests
really do hamstring
851
00:33:06,761 --> 00:33:10,731
Americans moving forward and
hamstrings national security.
852
00:33:10,832 --> 00:33:13,568
-Right, right, right. -We should
not be tied to the old way
853
00:33:13,668 --> 00:33:15,069
just because a lot of people
were influenced
854
00:33:15,169 --> 00:33:17,205
or making money
through the old mechanisms.
855
00:33:17,305 --> 00:33:20,041
You know what,
your enthusiasm is infectious.
856
00:33:20,141 --> 00:33:22,043
Uh, I don't know
if you can ever remove politics
857
00:33:22,076 --> 00:33:24,378
from anything in America,
but, uh, good luck in trying.
858
00:33:24,479 --> 00:33:25,980
-Thank you so much for joining
me on the show. -Thank you.
859
00:33:26,047 --> 00:33:27,415
Wonderful having you here.
860
00:33:27,515 --> 00:33:29,484
All right, thank you so much
again to Administrator Regan.
861
00:33:29,584 --> 00:33:30,585
We're gonna take a quick break,
862
00:33:30,685 --> 00:33:32,753
but we'll be right back
after this.
863
00:33:33,888 --> 00:33:36,023
Take the politics out.
That's... all of it.
864
00:33:36,123 --> 00:33:37,191
-Right.
-Everything in America.
865
00:33:39,499 --> 00:33:41,001
Well, that's our show
for tonight. But before we go,
866
00:33:41,101 --> 00:33:44,438
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867
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868
00:33:47,541 --> 00:33:50,243
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869
00:33:50,343 --> 00:33:53,880
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870
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871
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872
00:33:58,919 --> 00:34:01,888
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873
00:34:01,988 --> 00:34:05,459
Until tomorrow, stay safe
out there, get your vaccine
874
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:10,263
and, remember, if Spotify
offers you $100 million,
875
00:34:10,363 --> 00:34:11,665
don't take it.
876
00:34:11,765 --> 00:34:12,999
It's just not worth it.
877
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:15,535
Now here it is,
Your Moment of Zen.
878
00:34:15,635 --> 00:34:19,139
Joe Rogan just said
Black people are apes.
879
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,809
You can't sit there and say,
880
00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:25,846
"I went to a Black neighborhood
on my iPhone app
881
00:34:25,946 --> 00:34:27,614
and they-- and I was
in Planet of the Apes,"
882
00:34:27,714 --> 00:34:29,816
saying Black people are apes.
883
00:34:31,084 --> 00:34:33,186
Quite frankly, I am like an ape.
884
00:34:33,286 --> 00:34:35,088
I can pull somebody's head off.
885
00:34:35,188 --> 00:34:36,490
I've got ape-like strength.
886
00:34:36,590 --> 00:34:37,791
I'm King Kong, baby.
887
00:34:37,891 --> 00:34:40,260
I'm not ashamed
of my simian nature.
888
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,663
But you can't sit there
889
00:34:43,764 --> 00:34:45,399
and pull crap like that
890
00:34:45,499 --> 00:34:48,668
and say crap like that
in a glass house
891
00:34:48,769 --> 00:34:50,704
and s-- and-and basically s--
I mean, you heard him.
892
00:34:50,804 --> 00:34:52,506
Geez. Geez.