1 00:00:01,468 --> 00:00:04,571 Barry Bonds is being considered for the Baseball Hall of Fame. 2 00:00:04,671 --> 00:00:06,373 A lot of people are now asking the question, 3 00:00:06,473 --> 00:00:08,509 should you be in the Hall of Fame 4 00:00:08,609 --> 00:00:12,045 if you were busted taking performance-enhancing drugs? 5 00:00:12,145 --> 00:00:14,181 Yeah. It's a deep question. 6 00:00:14,281 --> 00:00:15,849 You know what I think people should be discussing 7 00:00:15,949 --> 00:00:18,719 less than the Basketball Hall of-- Baseball Hall of Fame? 8 00:00:18,819 --> 00:00:21,021 People should be talking about the Hall of Shame 9 00:00:21,121 --> 00:00:22,222 for every sport. 10 00:00:22,322 --> 00:00:24,024 'Cause people forget that a ton of athletes 11 00:00:24,124 --> 00:00:25,792 take all of these performance-enhancing drugs 12 00:00:25,893 --> 00:00:28,495 and they don't do shit afterwards. 13 00:00:28,595 --> 00:00:30,764 Those are the people we should be going after. 14 00:00:30,864 --> 00:00:33,901 You took drugs and no highlights? 15 00:00:34,001 --> 00:00:36,069 You're out here in these streets, you're just, like-- 16 00:00:36,170 --> 00:00:38,572 you're injecting yourself and nothing? 17 00:00:38,672 --> 00:00:40,974 Striking out, walking off-- 18 00:00:41,074 --> 00:00:42,476 nothing. 19 00:00:42,576 --> 00:00:45,212 Those are the people we should be going after in this sport. 20 00:00:45,312 --> 00:00:47,047 Out here spoiling-- Imagine how much time of our lives 21 00:00:47,147 --> 00:00:50,551 has been wasted by athletes who dope and did nothing. 22 00:00:50,651 --> 00:00:52,419 Those are the people that the sporting federations 23 00:00:52,519 --> 00:00:53,887 should go after. If you're gonna take steroids 24 00:00:53,987 --> 00:00:55,689 and hit home runs, I'm-I'm for you. 25 00:00:55,789 --> 00:00:57,424 'Cause you did it for my entertainment. 26 00:00:57,524 --> 00:00:58,792 I like watching home runs. 27 00:00:58,892 --> 00:01:01,061 You're gonna take steroids and then miss the ball. 28 00:01:01,094 --> 00:01:04,164 I could have missed the ball with no steroids. 29 00:01:05,599 --> 00:01:07,901 Now you just spoiled the sport for no reason. 30 00:01:08,068 --> 00:01:10,404 -♪ ♪ -ANNOUNCER: Coming to you from the heart of Times Square, 31 00:01:10,504 --> 00:01:11,672 in New York City, 32 00:01:11,772 --> 00:01:13,273 the only city in America, 33 00:01:13,373 --> 00:01:15,876 it's The Daily Show. 34 00:01:15,976 --> 00:01:18,679 Tonight, Biden drops the mic, 35 00:01:18,779 --> 00:01:21,081 music's hottest beef 36 00:01:21,181 --> 00:01:24,218 and W. Kamau Bell. 37 00:01:24,318 --> 00:01:29,223 This is The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. 38 00:01:29,323 --> 00:01:31,091 Hey! What's going on, everybody? 39 00:01:31,158 --> 00:01:32,926 Welcome to The Daily Show. I'm Trevor Noah. 40 00:01:33,093 --> 00:01:36,463 And joining me for today's headlines is Michael Kosta! 41 00:01:36,563 --> 00:01:38,599 What's going on, Michael? How you doing? 42 00:01:38,699 --> 00:01:40,267 I'm okay. You know, it's kind of a... 43 00:01:40,367 --> 00:01:42,336 (stammers) January. 44 00:01:42,436 --> 00:01:44,505 -Yeah, it's dark out. -Huh. 45 00:01:44,605 --> 00:01:45,839 It's cold. 46 00:01:45,939 --> 00:01:48,275 You know, I just got my holiday credit card bills. 47 00:01:48,375 --> 00:01:50,210 You know, it's just kind of a down time. 48 00:01:50,310 --> 00:01:52,479 I was thinking maybe it would be nice 49 00:01:52,579 --> 00:01:55,883 if-- for you and for the viewers if I started the show 50 00:01:55,983 --> 00:01:59,019 with a-- with a fun, lighthearted fact. 51 00:02:01,388 --> 00:02:02,756 Oh, and that was it? 52 00:02:02,856 --> 00:02:04,892 Yeah. I mean, wouldn't that be... 53 00:02:05,058 --> 00:02:06,560 I don't have one, but wouldn't that be nice? 54 00:02:06,660 --> 00:02:08,328 It would be good-- It would be a good way to start things. 55 00:02:08,428 --> 00:02:10,197 -Yeah, yeah. I think you-you took... -Yeah. 56 00:02:10,297 --> 00:02:12,099 'Cause now I got depressed thinking about your bills 57 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:13,834 -and the darkness and the... -Yeah. 58 00:02:13,934 --> 00:02:15,335 It would have been c-- It would be great 59 00:02:15,435 --> 00:02:16,870 if you started with something lighthearted. 60 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:19,239 Going forward, that's what we'll do. 61 00:02:19,339 --> 00:02:20,307 -My man. -Yeah. 62 00:02:20,407 --> 00:02:22,075 I'm glad you think of these things. 63 00:02:22,176 --> 00:02:23,944 (chuckles) All right, 64 00:02:24,077 --> 00:02:25,379 let's jump right into today's headlines. 65 00:02:25,479 --> 00:02:27,948 ♪ ♪ 66 00:02:28,081 --> 00:02:30,417 We kick things off with Joe Byron, 67 00:02:30,517 --> 00:02:33,187 the president who puts the hip in "hip replacement." 68 00:02:33,287 --> 00:02:34,555 Like most presidents, 69 00:02:34,655 --> 00:02:36,857 Biden has a complicated relationship with the media. 70 00:02:36,957 --> 00:02:38,225 Which I get. You know? 71 00:02:38,325 --> 00:02:39,693 They nitpick everything he says. 72 00:02:39,793 --> 00:02:42,162 They challenge all of his decisions. 73 00:02:42,262 --> 00:02:45,499 And they even get their own room in his house, 74 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:46,967 which is insane. 75 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:51,104 Nobody else has to set aside a guest room for their haters. 76 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:52,506 Well, yesterday, 77 00:02:52,606 --> 00:02:55,809 Biden's true feelings about at least one member of the press 78 00:02:55,909 --> 00:02:57,177 slipped out. 79 00:02:57,277 --> 00:02:59,580 NEWSWOMAN: On Monday, when a Fox News reporter 80 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,949 asked him a question about inflation, 81 00:03:02,049 --> 00:03:04,685 Mr. Biden fired off an insult. 82 00:03:08,422 --> 00:03:10,057 -It's a great asset. -WOMAN: Thank you. 83 00:03:10,123 --> 00:03:12,459 More inflation. 84 00:03:12,559 --> 00:03:14,061 What a stupid son of a bitch. 85 00:03:14,161 --> 00:03:16,063 NEWSMAN: Doocy says President Biden later called him 86 00:03:16,163 --> 00:03:19,967 to clear the air and to say his comments were not personal. 87 00:03:20,067 --> 00:03:22,636 Within about an hour of that exchange, 88 00:03:22,736 --> 00:03:26,273 he called my cell phone, and, uh, he said, 89 00:03:26,373 --> 00:03:28,242 "It's nothing personal, pal." 90 00:03:28,342 --> 00:03:32,079 And we went back and forth, and we were talking 91 00:03:32,145 --> 00:03:36,683 about, uh, just kind of moving... moving forward, 92 00:03:36,783 --> 00:03:39,620 and I made sure to tell him that I'm always going to try 93 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,122 to ask something different 94 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:44,391 than what everybody else is asking. 95 00:03:44,491 --> 00:03:46,894 And, uh, he said, "You've got to." 96 00:03:46,994 --> 00:03:48,829 And that's a quote from the president, 97 00:03:48,929 --> 00:03:50,230 so I'll keep doing it. 98 00:03:50,330 --> 00:03:53,000 You see? This is what happens 99 00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:56,103 when you've been on Zoom calls for two years. 100 00:03:56,136 --> 00:03:59,106 You forget that real life doesn't have a mute button. 101 00:03:59,206 --> 00:04:01,408 Son of a bitch. 102 00:04:01,508 --> 00:04:03,210 Was that out loud? Sorry. 103 00:04:03,310 --> 00:04:05,479 Now a lot of people are asking if Biden even knew 104 00:04:05,579 --> 00:04:06,880 that the microphone was on. 105 00:04:07,047 --> 00:04:08,415 But guys, please, come on. 106 00:04:08,515 --> 00:04:11,185 All right, he's sitting there talking into a giant microphone, 107 00:04:11,285 --> 00:04:15,122 so there's at least a 50-50 chance he knew it was there. 108 00:04:15,222 --> 00:04:17,491 And a lot of people online are dunking on the reporter, saying 109 00:04:17,591 --> 00:04:20,194 that he deserved this because he's just some Fox News guy 110 00:04:20,294 --> 00:04:24,665 asking a dumb question, and they're right, you know? 111 00:04:24,765 --> 00:04:26,667 "Do you think inflation is a political liability?" 112 00:04:26,767 --> 00:04:28,468 is a very stupid question. 113 00:04:28,569 --> 00:04:30,070 I mean, what's Biden supposed to say? 114 00:04:30,170 --> 00:04:31,872 "No, I think people like spending more money 115 00:04:31,972 --> 00:04:33,407 to buy the same shit." 116 00:04:33,507 --> 00:04:35,776 I mean, if you get to ask the president a question, 117 00:04:35,876 --> 00:04:38,612 you should ask him real questions like, 118 00:04:38,712 --> 00:04:41,281 "Why can't the CDC get its messaging straight on COVID?" 119 00:04:41,381 --> 00:04:44,785 Or "Can you ask your dog to stop chewing my arm?" 120 00:04:44,885 --> 00:04:46,220 And because of this moment, 121 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,888 there are many people who are saying 122 00:04:47,988 --> 00:04:51,425 that this shows that Biden and Trump treat the press 123 00:04:51,525 --> 00:04:53,527 with the same level of animosity. 124 00:04:53,627 --> 00:04:57,831 And I'm sorry, guys, no, I can't accept that. 125 00:04:57,931 --> 00:04:59,399 I cannot believe 126 00:04:59,499 --> 00:05:01,502 that people would even say something so disrespectful 127 00:05:01,602 --> 00:05:05,739 about my man Donald "Jujitsu" Trump. 128 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,342 First of all, he wouldn't mumble that into a hot mic. 129 00:05:08,442 --> 00:05:10,244 No, he would scream that shit into your face. 130 00:05:10,344 --> 00:05:13,447 He'd be like, "Get that son of a bitch out of here! 131 00:05:13,547 --> 00:05:15,849 "So rude! So rude! 132 00:05:15,949 --> 00:05:18,185 My crimes are my business." 133 00:05:18,285 --> 00:05:22,389 Biden dropped one offhanded diss on a reporter. He's no legend. 134 00:05:22,489 --> 00:05:24,525 Attacking the press was Donald Trump's whole thing. 135 00:05:24,625 --> 00:05:25,926 You remember that guy? 136 00:05:26,059 --> 00:05:27,561 Shit, you can't compare these two. 137 00:05:27,661 --> 00:05:29,730 It's like comparing Steph Curry to a random guy 138 00:05:29,830 --> 00:05:33,066 who makes one half-court shot during halftime. 139 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:35,068 Show some respect! 140 00:05:35,135 --> 00:05:36,537 Don't compare him to Trump. 141 00:05:36,637 --> 00:05:38,372 -Can you imagine? -Yeah, I know, but you know, 142 00:05:38,472 --> 00:05:41,642 -you got to know about the hot mics, right? -Yeah. 143 00:05:41,742 --> 00:05:42,943 You got to know. Let's... 144 00:05:43,076 --> 00:05:46,313 When I'm on the show here, you know, I know 145 00:05:46,413 --> 00:05:47,948 that if I want to talk some shit, 146 00:05:48,081 --> 00:05:51,385 I got to cover up my mic, and our audio guy-- he put... 147 00:05:51,485 --> 00:05:53,453 For me, he puts it on my... on my wrist, 148 00:05:53,554 --> 00:05:55,522 so I can cover it up, and I can say to you, 149 00:05:55,622 --> 00:05:58,392 "Yo, our audio guy sucks." You know that, right? 150 00:05:58,492 --> 00:06:01,562 He's one of the worst audio guys I've ever met in show biz. 151 00:06:01,662 --> 00:06:02,896 I'm embarrassed, 152 00:06:03,030 --> 00:06:04,264 but then once you pull it off, 153 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:05,499 you know what I'm saying? 154 00:06:05,599 --> 00:06:07,467 He could, he couldn't hear anything, right? 155 00:06:07,568 --> 00:06:10,037 Yo, my boy sucks, right? (laughs) 156 00:06:10,103 --> 00:06:11,839 He's-- He's a great dude. 157 00:06:11,939 --> 00:06:14,107 See what I'm saying? 158 00:06:14,208 --> 00:06:16,510 -The m-- Don't worry. -No? 159 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:17,578 -Yeah. -NOAH: Yeah. 160 00:06:17,678 --> 00:06:19,279 Yo, this shit works all the time. 161 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:21,548 He's a clown, you know what I'm saying? 162 00:06:21,648 --> 00:06:22,282 Right. 163 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:23,483 You've got him, Kosta. 164 00:06:23,584 --> 00:06:24,718 -That's what I'm saying, dude! -(laughing) 165 00:06:24,818 --> 00:06:26,720 -Oh, boy. -Hey, hey, no one else heard that, so... 166 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:29,056 That's how I stay alive in this biz, dude. 167 00:06:29,156 --> 00:06:31,959 And you've got a long career ahead of you. 168 00:06:32,059 --> 00:06:33,193 All right. (chuckles) 169 00:06:33,293 --> 00:06:34,895 Let's move on to the Winter Olympics. 170 00:06:35,062 --> 00:06:36,597 You know, it's that time of the year 171 00:06:36,697 --> 00:06:38,799 where we all sit on our couches and critique athletes 172 00:06:38,899 --> 00:06:41,235 doing sports we just learned exited. 173 00:06:41,335 --> 00:06:43,103 We are now a weeks away from seeing 174 00:06:43,203 --> 00:06:46,340 our favorite athletes sliding down an icy track 175 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:47,474 headfirst, 176 00:06:47,574 --> 00:06:49,176 and also feet first, 177 00:06:49,276 --> 00:06:52,479 and also crammed inside a giant dildo. 178 00:06:52,579 --> 00:06:56,917 But it seems like the main event of these Olympics 179 00:06:57,084 --> 00:06:58,452 will be fending off COVID, 180 00:06:58,552 --> 00:07:01,889 and right now China is doing everything it can 181 00:07:02,022 --> 00:07:03,123 to win the gold. 182 00:07:03,223 --> 00:07:05,225 With the Winter Games less than two weeks away, 183 00:07:05,325 --> 00:07:07,327 cities across China are scrambling 184 00:07:07,427 --> 00:07:08,829 to contain COVID outbreaks. 185 00:07:08,929 --> 00:07:12,032 And officials in Beijing now urging local districts 186 00:07:12,065 --> 00:07:15,335 to stay in what they call, "full emergency mode." 187 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:17,838 Authorities are tracking down anyone in the city who's 188 00:07:17,938 --> 00:07:19,773 bought medicine in recent weeks that could be used 189 00:07:19,873 --> 00:07:21,675 to treat fever or other symptoms-- 190 00:07:21,775 --> 00:07:23,677 even something as simple as ibuprofen-- 191 00:07:23,777 --> 00:07:25,112 and sending text messages 192 00:07:25,212 --> 00:07:27,147 ordering them to get COVID tests. 193 00:07:27,247 --> 00:07:29,783 Entire buildings are being locked down, 194 00:07:29,883 --> 00:07:32,786 sometimes without warning to the people inside. 195 00:07:32,886 --> 00:07:36,056 Yo, China does not play games. 196 00:07:36,089 --> 00:07:39,259 I mean, they-they will in two weeks, but not now. 197 00:07:39,359 --> 00:07:40,794 Can you imagine that? 198 00:07:40,894 --> 00:07:43,297 Can you imagine your building being locked down 199 00:07:43,397 --> 00:07:45,332 without any warning? 200 00:07:45,432 --> 00:07:47,134 No warning. Nothing. 201 00:07:48,435 --> 00:07:51,538 Especially just after you've broken up with someone? 202 00:07:51,638 --> 00:07:53,974 "Well, guess what, Sheila, we're through! 203 00:07:54,074 --> 00:07:56,343 "And by the way, I slept with your sister. 204 00:07:56,443 --> 00:07:57,878 Yeah!" (laughs) 205 00:07:57,978 --> 00:07:59,713 (imitates lock rattling) 206 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:03,083 "Look, we all said a lot of things back there 207 00:08:03,183 --> 00:08:04,885 "about sleeping with your sister. 208 00:08:05,018 --> 00:08:07,020 You know? Shit." 209 00:08:07,087 --> 00:08:09,323 But this is... this is way too much oppression 210 00:08:09,423 --> 00:08:11,692 for the Winter Olympics. Can we agree on that? 211 00:08:11,792 --> 00:08:14,261 I mean, Summer Olympics, sure, oppress all you want. 212 00:08:14,361 --> 00:08:15,929 But you can't be locking people in their apartments 213 00:08:16,029 --> 00:08:18,131 for sports like curling. 214 00:08:18,232 --> 00:08:19,800 Even the curling athletes are like, 215 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:21,368 "Guys, guys, we're just sweeping ice. 216 00:08:21,468 --> 00:08:23,203 Chill. Chill." 217 00:08:23,303 --> 00:08:24,905 I don't know about you, but the story gave me perspective, 218 00:08:25,038 --> 00:08:28,175 'cause Americans complain so much 219 00:08:28,275 --> 00:08:31,445 when a restaurant asks them to wear a mask, 220 00:08:31,545 --> 00:08:35,048 but then China will shut down your entire block 221 00:08:35,148 --> 00:08:36,950 because somebody bought Advil. 222 00:08:37,050 --> 00:08:39,052 And I'll tell you now, nobody in Beijing 223 00:08:39,152 --> 00:08:40,687 is sitting inside their house like, 224 00:08:40,787 --> 00:08:43,624 "Damn, this is just like communist New York." 225 00:08:43,724 --> 00:08:45,425 Because this is what real authoritarian control 226 00:08:45,526 --> 00:08:46,760 looks like: a government tracking 227 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:48,896 your ibuprofen purchases. 228 00:08:49,062 --> 00:08:50,664 That's not for the government to know. 229 00:08:50,764 --> 00:08:52,199 That's between you and your pharmacy 230 00:08:52,299 --> 00:08:54,501 and your credit card company 231 00:08:54,601 --> 00:08:57,804 and the Google ads after you type in "head hurt why." 232 00:08:57,905 --> 00:08:59,740 Not the government. 233 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,542 And by the way, if you're wondering 234 00:09:01,642 --> 00:09:04,278 how China can track every single person 235 00:09:04,378 --> 00:09:08,015 who has bought ibuprofen, um, it's actually not that hard. 236 00:09:08,081 --> 00:09:11,585 They just follow the CVS receipt to their front door. 237 00:09:11,685 --> 00:09:13,420 "This you?" 238 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,024 Yeah, I-I feel like we just had the Olympics. 239 00:09:17,124 --> 00:09:19,893 I just didn't watch an Olympics, 240 00:09:20,027 --> 00:09:22,162 and now you're asking me to not watch another Olympics? 241 00:09:22,262 --> 00:09:24,898 -Right? -It shouldn't go summer, winter, summer. 242 00:09:25,032 --> 00:09:26,099 I think we should just... 243 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,335 What are seasons, man? It's fluid. 244 00:09:28,435 --> 00:09:31,705 I think we should combine the Winter and Summer Olympics. 245 00:09:31,805 --> 00:09:34,708 Underwater bobsled, you know? 246 00:09:34,808 --> 00:09:38,312 Uh, rhythmic gymnastic archery. 247 00:09:38,412 --> 00:09:41,782 Uh, figure skating basketball. 248 00:09:41,882 --> 00:09:44,885 You know? That would be... I would watch that. 249 00:09:45,052 --> 00:09:47,888 -The biathlon where you skate and shoot the targets? -Yeah. 250 00:09:48,055 --> 00:09:50,357 I heard for this one in China, you don't shoot targets. 251 00:09:50,457 --> 00:09:53,126 You just shoot people who tested positive for COVID. 252 00:09:53,227 --> 00:09:57,197 I can't confirm that, but that's what I heard. 253 00:09:57,297 --> 00:09:58,599 I'm gonna call the Olympic Committee, 254 00:09:58,699 --> 00:10:00,100 -tell them about you. -Call the Olympic Committee. 255 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,069 -I know you call them a lot, so call. -I-I text normally, 256 00:10:02,169 --> 00:10:03,504 -but this time, I'm calling. -Yeah. 257 00:10:03,604 --> 00:10:06,673 All right, finally, let's get into some education news. 258 00:10:06,773 --> 00:10:10,410 Every American student knows about the SAT. Right? 259 00:10:10,511 --> 00:10:13,981 It's the only reason you know what "supercilious" means. 260 00:10:14,081 --> 00:10:17,317 It means "very cilious." 261 00:10:17,417 --> 00:10:18,952 Uh, for years now, 262 00:10:19,052 --> 00:10:20,387 many experts have been saying 263 00:10:20,487 --> 00:10:22,523 that the SAT isn't actually very useful. 264 00:10:22,623 --> 00:10:23,757 Yeah, that it doesn't predict 265 00:10:23,857 --> 00:10:25,225 how well students will do in college, 266 00:10:25,325 --> 00:10:27,694 it's biased against people of color, 267 00:10:27,794 --> 00:10:31,098 and rich kids can just hire expensive tutors 268 00:10:31,198 --> 00:10:33,166 to take the test for them. 269 00:10:33,267 --> 00:10:36,637 But now the company that makes the test is saying, no, 270 00:10:36,737 --> 00:10:41,775 don't throw it out altogether-- maybe it just needs an upgrade. 271 00:10:41,875 --> 00:10:44,411 The SAT is going digital starting next year. 272 00:10:44,511 --> 00:10:46,980 Today, the College Board is announcing several changes 273 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,583 for the entrance exam taken by millions of high school students 274 00:10:49,683 --> 00:10:50,918 each year. 275 00:10:51,018 --> 00:10:52,953 They'll be answering questions on a digital device 276 00:10:53,053 --> 00:10:55,956 for two hours instead of the current three-hour paper test. 277 00:10:56,056 --> 00:10:58,192 But students still do have to go to a school 278 00:10:58,292 --> 00:11:01,061 or testing center-- the new test cannot be taken at home. 279 00:11:09,803 --> 00:11:11,104 Wow. This is so convenient. 280 00:11:11,205 --> 00:11:13,073 Soon, high school kids are gonna be able 281 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:15,576 to take the SATs on the same device they use 282 00:11:15,676 --> 00:11:17,744 to browse TikTok, chat with their friends, 283 00:11:17,845 --> 00:11:19,546 block messages from Matt Gaetz. 284 00:11:19,646 --> 00:11:20,647 It's amazing. 285 00:11:20,747 --> 00:11:22,349 And I know this idea has its haters. 286 00:11:22,449 --> 00:11:23,784 I know there's critics who are like: 287 00:11:23,884 --> 00:11:25,552 Where is this gonna end?! 288 00:11:25,652 --> 00:11:28,388 They made the SAT shorter. They've put it online. 289 00:11:28,488 --> 00:11:30,591 Pretty soon it'll just be a BuzzFeed quiz 290 00:11:30,691 --> 00:11:32,960 called "Tell Us Your Favorite Ninja Turtle 291 00:11:33,093 --> 00:11:36,597 and We'll Tell You if You're Smart Enough for Yale." 292 00:11:36,697 --> 00:11:40,334 This guy should host a show. I like him. 293 00:11:40,434 --> 00:11:42,769 But you know what, they actually might have a point. 294 00:11:42,870 --> 00:11:45,205 You know, because the SAT company, they say... 295 00:11:45,305 --> 00:11:47,441 that what they're gonna do for the test when it's digital is, 296 00:11:47,541 --> 00:11:50,143 they're gonna block other tabs from popping up on the screen-- 297 00:11:50,244 --> 00:11:52,446 you can't go anywhere, you can just do the test-- 298 00:11:52,546 --> 00:11:54,781 and the device will only have the test. 299 00:11:54,882 --> 00:11:58,218 I don't know, man, have you tried to block pop-ups? 300 00:11:58,318 --> 00:12:01,922 Like, you try to close that ad, and the next thing you know, 301 00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:04,892 you're balls-deep in a rabbit hole of porn, sports gambling, 302 00:12:05,058 --> 00:12:07,227 crypto, why George Bush did 9/11. 303 00:12:07,327 --> 00:12:09,596 I mean, it's all the things you're gonna learn in college, 304 00:12:09,696 --> 00:12:11,632 so I guess it works. 305 00:12:11,732 --> 00:12:14,501 -But still. -More screen time for kids? 306 00:12:14,601 --> 00:12:16,303 That's what you're telling me? 307 00:12:16,403 --> 00:12:19,139 Look, the SAT is not relevant. 308 00:12:19,239 --> 00:12:21,341 I mean, I didn't do great on my SAT, 309 00:12:21,441 --> 00:12:24,077 and my vocabulary is still extremely well. 310 00:12:24,144 --> 00:12:29,082 You know, I... I understand and use words wonderfully. 311 00:12:29,183 --> 00:12:32,085 Or, as some others might call it, a "necrophiliac." 312 00:12:32,152 --> 00:12:35,689 So it's not like it prepares kids to be successful. 313 00:12:35,789 --> 00:12:37,824 If you want to prepare American kids to be successful, 314 00:12:37,925 --> 00:12:40,694 teach them how to sing in a competition on TV 315 00:12:40,794 --> 00:12:42,763 or run through an obstacle course. 316 00:12:42,863 --> 00:12:44,831 (crew laughing) 317 00:12:44,932 --> 00:12:46,600 That's... 318 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:48,635 -powerful. -You know what I mean? 319 00:12:48,735 --> 00:12:50,704 -I-I feel you completely. -Yeah. 320 00:12:50,804 --> 00:12:53,273 -I really do. -I know I didn't need to tell you, 321 00:12:53,373 --> 00:12:55,976 but I didn't... I didn't crush the SAT. 322 00:12:56,109 --> 00:12:57,945 -But I crushed... -I would have never known. 323 00:12:58,111 --> 00:13:00,047 I know. And I, you know, I don't share that 324 00:13:00,147 --> 00:13:03,584 with people that often, but to reach the heights that I'm at... 325 00:13:03,684 --> 00:13:06,153 -Yeah. -you know, even though I sit beneath you, 326 00:13:06,253 --> 00:13:09,489 pretty low, actually, uh, it's-it's remarkable, 327 00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:12,125 'cause my SAT score was pretty bad. 328 00:13:12,226 --> 00:13:14,461 And I guess that... that really has shown, 329 00:13:14,561 --> 00:13:17,764 that the SAT, though sometimes shows, 330 00:13:17,865 --> 00:13:20,267 -but in most cases, does not. -Right. Totally, totally. 331 00:13:20,367 --> 00:13:22,269 'Cause I would have never known you did badly. 332 00:13:22,369 --> 00:13:24,271 And I don't share that with a lot of people, so... 333 00:13:24,371 --> 00:13:26,340 Yeah, and you know what, I don't think you should, 334 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:27,975 -'cause there's no point in bragging. -Right. 335 00:13:28,075 --> 00:13:29,743 -You just keep that between us. -Yeah. You got it. 336 00:13:29,843 --> 00:13:31,612 Oh, you wanna... You know what? 337 00:13:31,712 --> 00:13:33,113 I didn't-- hold on-- 338 00:13:33,213 --> 00:13:34,515 I didn't do great on the SAT. 339 00:13:34,615 --> 00:13:36,183 -My man. -Okay. (whistles) Thank you. 340 00:13:36,283 --> 00:13:39,152 All right, don't go away, because when we come back, 341 00:13:39,253 --> 00:13:41,822 we're gonna look at why everyone in the music industry 342 00:13:41,922 --> 00:13:43,390 is fighting right now. 343 00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:44,858 You don't want to miss it. 344 00:13:46,527 --> 00:13:48,429 Welcome back to The Daily Show. 345 00:13:48,529 --> 00:13:51,498 Like cocaine and harmonies, 346 00:13:51,598 --> 00:13:55,302 beefs are an essential part of the music business. 347 00:13:55,402 --> 00:13:56,303 Think about it. 348 00:13:56,403 --> 00:13:58,806 Tupac versus Biggie. 349 00:13:58,906 --> 00:14:01,742 The Dixie Chicks versus George Bush. 350 00:14:01,842 --> 00:14:03,043 Keith Richards 351 00:14:03,143 --> 00:14:05,012 versus mortality. 352 00:14:05,112 --> 00:14:08,549 And with so many new beefs going on in the music world right now, 353 00:14:08,649 --> 00:14:11,819 we figured it's about time to settle some of those scores 354 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:14,154 in our brand-new segment we call 355 00:14:14,254 --> 00:14:15,589 Beefzuz. 356 00:14:15,689 --> 00:14:17,591 ♪ ♪ 357 00:14:21,228 --> 00:14:22,529 (air horn blowing) 358 00:14:22,629 --> 00:14:24,698 All right, all right, everybody, this is our first beef! 359 00:14:24,798 --> 00:14:26,633 Check this out! In one corner, 360 00:14:26,734 --> 00:14:29,436 we got Neil Young, the Godfather of Grunge, 361 00:14:29,536 --> 00:14:31,105 the man with a heart of gold, 362 00:14:31,205 --> 00:14:33,874 the dude who owns your dad's CD shelf! 363 00:14:33,974 --> 00:14:35,476 He's going up against Spotify, 364 00:14:35,576 --> 00:14:37,678 the streaming service that's paid artists 365 00:14:37,778 --> 00:14:40,547 thousands of cents over the years. 366 00:14:40,647 --> 00:14:43,784 Can't wait to see this beef! Hit it! 367 00:14:43,884 --> 00:14:47,354 Fans of Neil Young might soon have one less place 368 00:14:47,454 --> 00:14:48,522 to listen to his music. 369 00:14:48,622 --> 00:14:51,291 The rocker wants Spotify to remove his music 370 00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:52,960 from its streaming services 371 00:14:53,060 --> 00:14:56,096 due to the spread of COVID-19 misinformation 372 00:14:56,196 --> 00:14:59,299 on Spotify's popular Joe Rogan podcast. 373 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:00,968 In a statement, he said, 374 00:15:01,068 --> 00:15:04,071 "I'm doing this because Spotify is spreading fake information 375 00:15:04,171 --> 00:15:05,339 "about vaccines, 376 00:15:05,439 --> 00:15:07,441 "potentially causing death to those who believe 377 00:15:07,541 --> 00:15:09,777 the disinformation being spread by them." 378 00:15:09,877 --> 00:15:12,413 Now, he gave Spotify execs an ultimatum, 379 00:15:12,513 --> 00:15:15,349 saying they can have Joe Rogan or Neil Young 380 00:15:15,449 --> 00:15:17,050 but not both. 381 00:15:17,151 --> 00:15:18,051 Damn. 382 00:15:18,152 --> 00:15:20,354 Neil Young's got balls. 383 00:15:20,454 --> 00:15:22,423 Because, yeah, he's popular, 384 00:15:22,523 --> 00:15:25,726 but he's going up against the guy who's so popular 385 00:15:25,826 --> 00:15:27,861 he's the reason kids now have horse dewormer 386 00:15:27,961 --> 00:15:29,563 in their lunch boxes. 387 00:15:29,663 --> 00:15:31,265 I mean, at the same time though, 388 00:15:31,365 --> 00:15:33,167 Spotify should think about this. 389 00:15:33,267 --> 00:15:36,670 Think about who's gonna leave a greater legacy. 390 00:15:36,770 --> 00:15:37,905 You know, in 30 years, 391 00:15:38,005 --> 00:15:39,473 what are people gonna be slow-dancing to 392 00:15:39,573 --> 00:15:40,841 at their weddings, 393 00:15:40,941 --> 00:15:42,543 a Neil Young ballad 394 00:15:42,676 --> 00:15:45,379 or clips of Joe Rogan being wrong about the vaccine? 395 00:15:45,479 --> 00:15:47,014 I don't think it's true that there's an increased risk 396 00:15:47,114 --> 00:15:48,348 of myocarditis. 397 00:15:48,449 --> 00:15:50,417 I don't know. It actually kind of works. 398 00:15:50,517 --> 00:15:53,020 Now, look, to me, the outcome is clear. 399 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,623 Between Neil Young and Spotify, the winner of this beefzuz 400 00:15:56,723 --> 00:15:58,659 is... guys who love to talk 401 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:01,328 about how everything sounds better on vinyl. 402 00:16:01,428 --> 00:16:03,731 This is a perfect excuse for them to tell you, 403 00:16:03,831 --> 00:16:05,866 "Why are you listening to Spotify anyway? 404 00:16:05,966 --> 00:16:09,002 The bit rate totally ruins the dynamic range." 405 00:16:09,103 --> 00:16:10,537 (air horn honking) 406 00:16:10,637 --> 00:16:11,972 All right, next up, 407 00:16:12,072 --> 00:16:14,374 the artist who soundtracked your quarantine, 408 00:16:14,475 --> 00:16:17,144 the Empress of Evermore, Taylor Swift! 409 00:16:17,244 --> 00:16:19,847 She's been dropping albums almost every week, 410 00:16:19,947 --> 00:16:21,682 but according to the guy from the British band 411 00:16:21,782 --> 00:16:23,050 that wasn't Oasis, 412 00:16:23,150 --> 00:16:25,285 she's not putting in enough work! 413 00:16:25,385 --> 00:16:27,121 Let's see the beef! 414 00:16:27,221 --> 00:16:28,922 NEWSWOMAN: Looks like there is some bad blood 415 00:16:29,022 --> 00:16:30,190 between Taylor Swift 416 00:16:30,290 --> 00:16:32,426 and Blur front man Damon Albarn. 417 00:16:32,526 --> 00:16:33,727 During an interview, a recent interview 418 00:16:33,827 --> 00:16:35,662 with the Los Angeles Times, he claimed 419 00:16:35,696 --> 00:16:38,165 Swift doesn't write her own songs. 420 00:16:38,265 --> 00:16:39,700 He said writing music doesn't count 421 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,168 if you co-write, 422 00:16:41,268 --> 00:16:44,138 and that co-writing is very different from writing. 423 00:16:44,238 --> 00:16:46,740 Well, Taylor swiftly hit back. 424 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,076 Slamming the musician on Twitter, she tweeted, 425 00:16:49,176 --> 00:16:52,079 "I was such a big fan of yours until I saw this. 426 00:16:52,179 --> 00:16:54,481 "I write all of my songs, my own songs. 427 00:16:54,615 --> 00:16:57,351 "Your hot take is completely false and so damaging. 428 00:16:57,451 --> 00:16:58,886 "You don't have to like my songs, 429 00:16:58,986 --> 00:17:00,621 "but it's really messed up to try 430 00:17:00,721 --> 00:17:02,456 and discredit my writing." 431 00:17:02,623 --> 00:17:05,058 Albarn later responded with an apology, saying, 432 00:17:05,159 --> 00:17:06,760 he had a conversation about songwriting 433 00:17:06,860 --> 00:17:08,295 that was reduced to clickbait. 434 00:17:08,395 --> 00:17:10,898 He said he apologizes unreservedly 435 00:17:10,998 --> 00:17:12,766 and unconditionally, and said the last thing 436 00:17:12,866 --> 00:17:14,835 he would want to do is discredit Taylor Swift. 437 00:17:14,935 --> 00:17:17,037 (laughing): Yo. 438 00:17:17,137 --> 00:17:19,306 That was the fastest ending beef of all time. 439 00:17:19,406 --> 00:17:20,674 'Cause one minute, the dude was like, 440 00:17:20,774 --> 00:17:23,644 "Yo, Taylor ain't shit! She doesn't write shit. 441 00:17:23,677 --> 00:17:25,446 "And also, I'm sorry, Taylor. 442 00:17:25,546 --> 00:17:27,448 Please don't hurt me, please." 443 00:17:27,548 --> 00:17:29,650 And I'm not surprised he realized how wrong he was. 444 00:17:29,683 --> 00:17:32,920 I mean, guys, T. Swift is one of the most renowned lyricists 445 00:17:33,020 --> 00:17:35,522 of our generation. 446 00:17:35,656 --> 00:17:41,328 Meanwhile, Blur's most famous lyric is "Woo-hoo." 447 00:17:41,428 --> 00:17:43,030 And by the way, by the way, people, 448 00:17:43,130 --> 00:17:45,966 there's no shame in co-writing, right? 449 00:17:46,066 --> 00:17:46,967 I'm not saying Taylor Swift does, 450 00:17:47,067 --> 00:17:48,268 I'm just saying there's no shame 451 00:17:48,368 --> 00:17:49,403 in cowriting. 452 00:17:49,503 --> 00:17:52,239 Don't forget, Even God had cowriters. 453 00:17:52,339 --> 00:17:52,940 All right? 454 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,408 There was Matthew, Mark, 455 00:17:54,508 --> 00:17:56,176 Luke, John, they all helped with the Bible. 456 00:17:56,276 --> 00:17:59,012 And no one ever says God's fake. 457 00:17:59,113 --> 00:18:00,914 I mean, except Ricky Gervais. 458 00:18:01,014 --> 00:18:02,616 But he's, he's going to hell anyway, so, 459 00:18:02,716 --> 00:18:04,818 doesn't count. 460 00:18:04,918 --> 00:18:06,253 Anyway, it's no surprise 461 00:18:06,353 --> 00:18:08,322 who the winner of the beefzuz 462 00:18:08,422 --> 00:18:11,525 between Taylor Swift and Damon Albarn is. 463 00:18:11,625 --> 00:18:12,960 It's Jake Gyllenhaal. 464 00:18:13,060 --> 00:18:14,461 Yeah, you see, finally, 465 00:18:14,628 --> 00:18:15,696 the heat is off. 466 00:18:15,796 --> 00:18:16,864 Now he's in the corner like, 467 00:18:16,964 --> 00:18:20,033 "Yeah, get that Blur guy! 468 00:18:20,134 --> 00:18:23,470 And I keep the scarf!" 469 00:18:23,637 --> 00:18:24,838 All right, next beef, y'all. 470 00:18:24,938 --> 00:18:26,240 I'm talking about Cardi B, 471 00:18:26,340 --> 00:18:28,675 the WAP-iest WAP in the game...! 472 00:18:28,776 --> 00:18:30,778 And thanks to her beef with a Youtube blogger, 473 00:18:30,878 --> 00:18:35,015 the "Bodak Yellow" singer is about to see a lot more green! 474 00:18:35,115 --> 00:18:36,950 NEWSWOMAN: A legal victory for Cardi B. 475 00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:38,285 Yesterday, a federal judge 476 00:18:38,385 --> 00:18:39,853 awarded the "Bodak Yellow" singer more than 477 00:18:39,953 --> 00:18:43,857 $1 million dollars after Cardi sued blogger Tasha K 478 00:18:43,957 --> 00:18:45,192 for spreading lies. 479 00:18:45,292 --> 00:18:47,795 TMZ reporting that the court found the youtuber 480 00:18:47,895 --> 00:18:49,863 liable on three separate counts. 481 00:18:49,963 --> 00:18:52,633 Now, an issue was Tasha K saying that Cardi B 482 00:18:52,733 --> 00:18:54,234 once worked as a prostitute, 483 00:18:54,334 --> 00:18:57,805 did drugs, and contracted sexually-transmitted infections. 484 00:18:57,905 --> 00:18:59,273 Yes! 485 00:18:59,373 --> 00:19:00,374 Sue them, Cardi! 486 00:19:00,474 --> 00:19:01,742 Sue them! 487 00:19:01,842 --> 00:19:03,077 People got to know. 488 00:19:03,177 --> 00:19:07,614 Spreading lies about Cardi B is not okurr! 489 00:19:07,714 --> 00:19:11,618 I'll show myself out. 490 00:19:11,652 --> 00:19:13,687 Well, at the very least, at the very least, 491 00:19:13,787 --> 00:19:15,456 if you're going to lie, be smart about it. 492 00:19:15,622 --> 00:19:16,657 All right? 493 00:19:16,757 --> 00:19:17,791 If you're going to talk shit about people, 494 00:19:17,891 --> 00:19:19,626 don't print them as allegations. 495 00:19:19,693 --> 00:19:21,095 That's libel. 496 00:19:21,195 --> 00:19:22,796 What you should do is add a beat. 497 00:19:22,896 --> 00:19:25,265 Now it's a diss track. 498 00:19:25,365 --> 00:19:26,734 At the same time, though, 499 00:19:26,834 --> 00:19:28,635 winning a $1 million judgement from a blogger isn't necessarily 500 00:19:28,702 --> 00:19:30,070 the pay day that it sounds like. 501 00:19:30,170 --> 00:19:31,271 'Cause, I mean, what are they gonna do? 502 00:19:31,371 --> 00:19:34,541 Garnish her wages for the next 700 years? 503 00:19:34,641 --> 00:19:36,643 But even though the courts declared cardi B 504 00:19:36,744 --> 00:19:38,479 the winner of this beefzuz, 505 00:19:38,645 --> 00:19:42,416 the actual winner is my friend, Pete. 506 00:19:42,516 --> 00:19:45,285 Because, you see, he said all the same shit about Cardi B, 507 00:19:45,385 --> 00:19:47,287 but nobody reads his blog, so... 508 00:19:47,387 --> 00:19:48,889 he didn't get sued. 509 00:19:48,989 --> 00:19:50,424 (air horn blares) 510 00:19:50,591 --> 00:19:52,593 All right, y'all, it's time for our final beef. 511 00:19:52,693 --> 00:19:54,061 We got the guitar god, 512 00:19:54,161 --> 00:19:56,230 the dude responsible for some of the hottest licks 513 00:19:56,330 --> 00:19:58,399 and the most racist rants of all time, 514 00:19:58,499 --> 00:20:00,100 Eric Clapton! 515 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,969 He's throwing down once again 516 00:20:02,069 --> 00:20:05,239 with his long-time rival, reality. 517 00:20:05,339 --> 00:20:08,876 Singer Eric Clapton continuing his parade of anti-vax nonsense, 518 00:20:08,976 --> 00:20:10,611 and this time, he says he believes 519 00:20:10,677 --> 00:20:12,713 people vaccinated against coronavirus 520 00:20:12,813 --> 00:20:15,082 are under mass hypnosis. 521 00:20:15,182 --> 00:20:17,317 And he's very serious about this. 522 00:20:17,418 --> 00:20:19,720 In an interview, Clapton, who is vaccinated, 523 00:20:19,820 --> 00:20:22,890 argued that subliminal messaging hidden in advertising 524 00:20:22,990 --> 00:20:25,626 is what's leading people to get vaccinated. 525 00:20:25,726 --> 00:20:27,261 You know, the-the theory 526 00:20:27,361 --> 00:20:31,298 of mass, um, hypnosis formation. 527 00:20:31,398 --> 00:20:33,634 Once I kind of start to look for it, 528 00:20:33,667 --> 00:20:35,135 I saw it everywhere. 529 00:20:35,235 --> 00:20:38,939 And then I remembered seeing little things on YouTube 530 00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:41,875 which were, like, subliminal advertising. 531 00:20:41,975 --> 00:20:43,410 Huh. 532 00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:45,979 So, he heard about the hypnosis, 533 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,414 and he didn't notice it, 534 00:20:47,581 --> 00:20:49,950 and then he looked for it, and then he saw it everywhere. 535 00:20:50,050 --> 00:20:52,186 So he got hypnotized? 536 00:20:52,286 --> 00:20:53,420 Come on, people. 537 00:20:53,587 --> 00:20:55,689 This conspiracy theory is so ridiculous. 538 00:20:55,789 --> 00:20:57,891 Subliminal advertising? 539 00:20:57,991 --> 00:20:59,593 It's not even a real thing. 540 00:20:59,660 --> 00:21:01,328 (mouths) 541 00:21:01,428 --> 00:21:02,429 I mean, this really drives home 542 00:21:02,596 --> 00:21:03,897 that being an expert at one thing 543 00:21:03,997 --> 00:21:06,166 does not necessarily make you an expert at everything. 544 00:21:06,266 --> 00:21:10,170 Because Eric Clapton is an amazing guitar player. 545 00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:13,607 I'm just not gonna listen to him about COVID 546 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,277 any more than I would buy an album from Dr. Fauci. 547 00:21:17,377 --> 00:21:19,413 ♪ I'm Dr. Fauci, and I'm here to say ♪ 548 00:21:19,513 --> 00:21:22,416 ♪ COVID is messing up the U.S.A. ♪ 549 00:21:22,516 --> 00:21:23,951 This is almost not a beef 550 00:21:24,051 --> 00:21:25,753 because reality doesn't care about your hot takes. 551 00:21:25,853 --> 00:21:28,122 Right? Yeah. It's reality. 552 00:21:28,222 --> 00:21:30,124 I mean, try having an argument with oncoming traffic, 553 00:21:30,224 --> 00:21:32,159 and you let me know how that works out. 554 00:21:32,259 --> 00:21:34,361 But still, we have to pick a winner, 555 00:21:34,461 --> 00:21:36,730 and the winner of this Beefzuz 556 00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:38,465 is Kanye West. 557 00:21:38,632 --> 00:21:41,135 Yeah, you thought he was saying crazy shit, 558 00:21:41,235 --> 00:21:44,838 but next to Eric Clapton, he's basically Barack Obama. 559 00:21:44,938 --> 00:21:46,206 "Uh, Taylor, I'm-a let you finish, 560 00:21:46,306 --> 00:21:49,676 "but, uh... 561 00:21:49,777 --> 00:21:50,844 psych." 562 00:21:50,944 --> 00:21:52,346 All right, that's enough of the beef. 563 00:21:52,446 --> 00:21:53,914 I got the itis. Let's take a break. 564 00:21:54,014 --> 00:21:57,017 When we come back, W. Kamau Bell will be here on the show 565 00:21:57,117 --> 00:22:00,487 to talk about Bill Cosby. "Oh!" 566 00:22:03,157 --> 00:22:04,124 Welcome back to The Daily Show. My guest tonight 567 00:22:04,224 --> 00:22:06,994 is comedian and director W. Kamau Bell. 568 00:22:07,094 --> 00:22:09,696 He's here to talk about his new docuseries 569 00:22:09,797 --> 00:22:12,366 We Need to Talk About Cosby. 570 00:22:12,466 --> 00:22:14,701 I think one of the reasons that it was difficult for people 571 00:22:14,802 --> 00:22:16,303 to really... 572 00:22:16,403 --> 00:22:20,707 accept that Cosby... 573 00:22:20,808 --> 00:22:24,611 was what he ultimately... is 574 00:22:24,711 --> 00:22:26,747 is that I don't think that people were willing 575 00:22:26,847 --> 00:22:28,715 to countenance 576 00:22:28,816 --> 00:22:32,286 that kind of exponent of hypocrisy. 577 00:22:32,386 --> 00:22:34,788 It's just so different if... 578 00:22:34,888 --> 00:22:37,391 someone trusts you 579 00:22:37,491 --> 00:22:40,894 and you drug that person... 580 00:22:40,994 --> 00:22:42,830 you know, that's... (stammers) 581 00:22:42,930 --> 00:22:43,997 that's where I struggle. 582 00:22:44,098 --> 00:22:47,534 Because here's a guy I love on one level, 583 00:22:47,634 --> 00:22:49,002 but... 584 00:22:51,171 --> 00:22:53,040 ...you do that to someone, 585 00:22:53,140 --> 00:22:55,275 you're a (bleep) monster. 586 00:22:55,375 --> 00:22:56,443 W. Kamau Bell, 587 00:22:56,543 --> 00:22:57,478 welcome to The Daily Show. 588 00:22:57,578 --> 00:22:59,213 Yeah. May be my last time. 589 00:22:59,313 --> 00:23:00,681 -Welcome-- What do you mean, your last time? -(laughs) 590 00:23:00,781 --> 00:23:02,116 I just feel like I might be doing my last run 591 00:23:02,216 --> 00:23:03,417 -in showbiz. -You know what I appreciate you, my friend? 592 00:23:03,517 --> 00:23:05,085 Is the-the last time we spoke was, 593 00:23:05,185 --> 00:23:06,453 like, in the heart of the pandemic. 594 00:23:06,553 --> 00:23:08,188 -Yeah. -I was in my apartment and you were, I think, 595 00:23:08,288 --> 00:23:09,723 -at home as well. And we're talking... -Yeah. 596 00:23:09,823 --> 00:23:11,859 ...and I said to you, I said, "You know, Kamau, 597 00:23:11,992 --> 00:23:13,327 "every single time I see you, 598 00:23:13,427 --> 00:23:15,229 "you're talking about racism. You're talking about racism. 599 00:23:15,329 --> 00:23:16,463 -"You're always bringing the room down. -(laughing) 600 00:23:16,563 --> 00:23:17,631 You're talking about racism." 601 00:23:17,731 --> 00:23:19,199 And I see you felt that as a challenge. 602 00:23:19,299 --> 00:23:21,235 You were like, "You know what, Trevor, I'm gonna show you. 603 00:23:21,335 --> 00:23:23,403 -And, this time, we're gonna talk about Bill Cosby." -Yeah. 604 00:23:23,504 --> 00:23:25,706 -Oh, you thought I brought the room down before. -(laughs) 605 00:23:25,806 --> 00:23:27,875 The room is down, and they're down-- 606 00:23:28,008 --> 00:23:29,510 a lot of 'em are down on me right now, so... 607 00:23:29,610 --> 00:23:32,246 Why would you choose to do this? 608 00:23:32,346 --> 00:23:34,481 I remember you calling me and you said, "Hey, do you-- 609 00:23:34,581 --> 00:23:36,216 "I'm doing this documentary about Bill Cosby. 610 00:23:36,316 --> 00:23:37,518 Would you like to be in it?" 611 00:23:37,618 --> 00:23:39,386 -And I was like, "No. -Yeah. 612 00:23:39,486 --> 00:23:41,455 There is no reason I would want to be part of this documentary." 613 00:23:41,555 --> 00:23:43,824 But, no-- But, in all honesty, it's because, in-- 614 00:23:43,924 --> 00:23:45,292 and I know this is strange to say-- 615 00:23:45,392 --> 00:23:47,928 Bill Cosby just was not a cultural influence 616 00:23:48,028 --> 00:23:49,263 -in my life. Yeah. -No, we talked about that. 617 00:23:49,363 --> 00:23:50,697 -We talked about that. -And it was so weird to me, 618 00:23:50,798 --> 00:23:53,467 because I'm glad I've watched this documentary you made, 619 00:23:53,567 --> 00:23:57,404 because now I truly understand how big Bill Cosby actually was. 620 00:23:57,504 --> 00:23:59,173 -So tell me why. Why would you... -First of all... 621 00:23:59,273 --> 00:24:00,374 Why do you think we need to talk about Cosby? 622 00:24:00,474 --> 00:24:02,276 I appreciate you talking about that phone call, 623 00:24:02,376 --> 00:24:03,577 'cause I got a lot of no's from a lot of people 624 00:24:03,677 --> 00:24:05,045 and I've been very clear about-- 625 00:24:05,145 --> 00:24:06,980 o-other than, obviously, Hannibal Buress-- 626 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,782 I've not-- I haven't said who said no. 627 00:24:08,882 --> 00:24:10,784 -So thank you for outing yourself here. -Oh, yeah. 628 00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:12,653 -Yeah, yeah, yeah. -Wait, so a lot of people said no? 629 00:24:12,753 --> 00:24:14,588 -Of course. -Well, I only said no because I didn't-- 630 00:24:14,688 --> 00:24:16,490 like, I didn't think I could add to the conversation. 631 00:24:16,590 --> 00:24:18,225 I mean, a lot of peo-- I mean, yes, I understand that. 632 00:24:18,325 --> 00:24:20,294 But I'm saying, like, a lot of-- I mean, if you stacked 633 00:24:20,394 --> 00:24:22,463 the-the yeses next to the no's... 634 00:24:22,563 --> 00:24:24,431 -Wow. -Yeah. And it's-- And, you know-- 635 00:24:24,531 --> 00:24:25,866 And a lot of people had a lot of-- 636 00:24:25,999 --> 00:24:27,568 I mean, I had some really great conversations, 637 00:24:27,668 --> 00:24:29,670 like the one I had with you, with people for a long time 638 00:24:29,770 --> 00:24:31,071 that ended in no. 639 00:24:31,171 --> 00:24:33,006 -Huh. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. 640 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,075 So when you were getting all the 'no's, did you think, 641 00:24:35,175 --> 00:24:37,211 "Ooh, should I not be making this thing?" 642 00:24:37,311 --> 00:24:38,712 -Yeah. -(laughing) 643 00:24:38,812 --> 00:24:40,247 That was one of the many times I thought. 644 00:24:40,347 --> 00:24:42,249 And right now, as I sit here, "Should I be making this thing?" 645 00:24:42,349 --> 00:24:44,551 It's like, I can't explain it, other than I was comp... 646 00:24:44,651 --> 00:24:47,187 -I'm always drawn to difficult conversations. -Yes, you are. 647 00:24:47,287 --> 00:24:48,922 -That's kind of my thing. -Yeah. 648 00:24:49,022 --> 00:24:53,660 Uh, and because Bill Cosby was such a huge cultural, 649 00:24:53,761 --> 00:24:57,030 racial figure in my life, and so charted a path, 650 00:24:57,131 --> 00:24:59,166 that I was like, "That's the path I should be on. 651 00:24:59,266 --> 00:25:01,969 Do good work, be a comedian, but also do good in the world." 652 00:25:02,069 --> 00:25:03,370 Like, a lot of Black folks, 653 00:25:03,470 --> 00:25:04,972 specifically of my generation and older-- 654 00:25:05,072 --> 00:25:06,974 we were just gutted to find out about all these allegations. 655 00:25:07,074 --> 00:25:08,542 -Right, right. -And then wrestled with, 656 00:25:08,642 --> 00:25:10,677 "Do I believe them?" And I believe them. 657 00:25:10,778 --> 00:25:12,012 And so, it's, like, and I... 658 00:25:12,112 --> 00:25:13,881 That conversation's going in my head all the time. 659 00:25:13,981 --> 00:25:15,249 Every time he makes an appearance, 660 00:25:15,349 --> 00:25:16,984 -or sends out a... sends out a tweet, and... -Uh-huh. 661 00:25:17,050 --> 00:25:18,385 Like, I'm always thinking about it and talking 662 00:25:18,485 --> 00:25:20,154 to other people about it, and I couldn't... 663 00:25:20,254 --> 00:25:21,989 I found myself in a position where I was talking 664 00:25:22,089 --> 00:25:24,558 to the producers of this doc about it, and they were like... 665 00:25:24,658 --> 00:25:26,994 They had never thought about it this way, and so, 666 00:25:27,060 --> 00:25:28,796 this is where we ended up. But, yeah, it was... 667 00:25:28,896 --> 00:25:31,265 I can only say I was compelled to do it 668 00:25:31,365 --> 00:25:33,500 by something that was not rational. 669 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,104 I think you doing it has honestly opened up one 670 00:25:37,204 --> 00:25:38,672 of the hardest conversations 671 00:25:38,772 --> 00:25:40,007 that we need to be having in society, 672 00:25:40,073 --> 00:25:42,009 not just specifically about Bill Cosby, 673 00:25:42,075 --> 00:25:44,344 but about society as a whole. 674 00:25:44,445 --> 00:25:47,581 Right? It feels like, especially when you watch this docuseries, 675 00:25:47,681 --> 00:25:50,584 that there are almost, you know, 676 00:25:50,684 --> 00:25:53,821 -three generations of people that are going to exist. -Yes. 677 00:25:53,921 --> 00:25:57,091 -There are the people who came up with Cosby. -Mm-hmm. 678 00:25:57,191 --> 00:25:59,159 -You know? You are sort of in the heart of that. -Yeah. Yeah. 679 00:25:59,259 --> 00:26:01,295 -Like, Cosby... -'Cause I was, as a child, I was... 680 00:26:01,395 --> 00:26:03,030 -Cosby was one of the influences. -He shaped you. 681 00:26:03,130 --> 00:26:05,032 -Racing, yeah. -No, shape... Was part of shaping you, really. 682 00:26:05,132 --> 00:26:07,601 -Mm-hmm. -You know? I mean, people were talking about this 683 00:26:07,701 --> 00:26:09,536 just before we came out for this interview. 684 00:26:09,636 --> 00:26:11,004 Like, my producers, and they were talking 685 00:26:11,105 --> 00:26:13,540 about how, like, in white families, they were like, 686 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,042 "Cosbys. This is the biggest thing." 687 00:26:15,142 --> 00:26:17,077 It wasn't about Black or white. It was Cosby. 688 00:26:17,177 --> 00:26:18,545 -He was America's dad. -America's dad. 689 00:26:18,645 --> 00:26:20,647 -Not Black America's dad. Yeah, yeah. -Yeah. Right. 690 00:26:20,747 --> 00:26:23,984 And he had done so much, and, you know, we talk about how, 691 00:26:24,084 --> 00:26:25,786 you know, you learn this in the documentary. 692 00:26:25,886 --> 00:26:29,123 How Cosby changed stuntmen in America. 693 00:26:29,223 --> 00:26:30,624 Like, Cosby was the one who said, "Hey, 694 00:26:30,724 --> 00:26:32,826 "you can't have white guys in blackface doing a stunt. 695 00:26:32,993 --> 00:26:34,361 -Just get Black stuntmen." -Yeah. 696 00:26:34,461 --> 00:26:35,996 -He changed Hollywood forever. -Yeah, yeah. 697 00:26:36,096 --> 00:26:38,999 There were no stunt peop-- Black stunt performers under contract 698 00:26:39,032 --> 00:26:40,501 -until Bill Cosby. -So, you have this generation 699 00:26:40,601 --> 00:26:42,002 of people who goes, 700 00:26:42,035 --> 00:26:45,506 "Man, Bill Cosby changed my world in all the best ways." 701 00:26:45,606 --> 00:26:47,574 Then you have the now generation who goes like, 702 00:26:47,674 --> 00:26:50,277 -"Well, I just know Bill Cosby as 'the rapist guy'." -Uh-huh. 703 00:26:50,377 --> 00:26:52,212 Right? And then you have the generation that goes, like, 704 00:26:52,312 --> 00:26:57,151 -"Man, how do we, how do we live with the myth... -Yeah. 705 00:26:57,251 --> 00:26:58,719 -...and the man?" -Yeah. And that, I... 706 00:26:58,819 --> 00:27:00,220 Did you answer that question in the documentary for yourself? 707 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,756 I think the-the way we... is to deal with all of it. 708 00:27:02,856 --> 00:27:04,591 I think the only way you can deal with it, like, I-- we-- 709 00:27:04,691 --> 00:27:06,293 Roland Martin makes the great point of, like, 710 00:27:06,393 --> 00:27:08,595 you can't talk about Black... Black... you can't 711 00:27:08,695 --> 00:27:10,964 talk about America in the 21st century without talking about 712 00:27:11,031 --> 00:27:12,099 -Bill Cosby. -Wow. 713 00:27:12,199 --> 00:27:13,400 -Wow. -He, I think he says Black America, 714 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:14,535 but you can't talk about America in the 21st century 715 00:27:14,635 --> 00:27:16,069 without talking about Bill Cosby. 716 00:27:16,170 --> 00:27:19,373 But you can't, also, ignore all the things that have come out 717 00:27:19,473 --> 00:27:20,774 -in the 21st century. -Right. 718 00:27:20,874 --> 00:27:22,676 And so, for me, this whole doc is about 719 00:27:22,776 --> 00:27:24,077 creating a space to talk about all of it. 720 00:27:24,178 --> 00:27:25,846 It's "We Need To Talk About Cosby," 721 00:27:25,979 --> 00:27:27,714 not, "Here's My Thoughts On Cosby." 722 00:27:27,815 --> 00:27:29,249 And, as you can see from that clip, 723 00:27:29,349 --> 00:27:30,417 There's-there's a lot, there's nuance, 724 00:27:30,517 --> 00:27:31,785 there's anger, there's sorrow, there's... 725 00:27:31,885 --> 00:27:34,288 A lot, a lot of it is based in conflict, 726 00:27:34,388 --> 00:27:37,991 or roiling frustration, and you have to talk 727 00:27:38,025 --> 00:27:39,259 about all of it, 'cause otherwise 728 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,361 we lose essential parts of American history. 729 00:27:41,462 --> 00:27:42,563 For a lot of people, I'm hearing, like, 730 00:27:42,663 --> 00:27:44,298 they've been waiting for this conversation 731 00:27:44,398 --> 00:27:45,666 to happen in some format. 732 00:27:45,766 --> 00:27:47,334 And the other problem in America we have, the, like, 733 00:27:47,434 --> 00:27:49,103 -"It's not time now, it's not time now." -Yes. Correct. 734 00:27:49,203 --> 00:27:50,804 Any time there's any major conversation, 735 00:27:50,904 --> 00:27:53,006 it just felt like-- When I started, he was in prison. 736 00:27:53,073 --> 00:27:56,844 I felt like, "It's time," and then he got out. 737 00:27:57,010 --> 00:27:59,046 -He got out on the last day of filming. -Yeah. 738 00:27:59,146 --> 00:28:00,114 I had two questions. 739 00:28:00,214 --> 00:28:01,348 One, how did you feel about that? 740 00:28:01,448 --> 00:28:03,383 And two, did you ever reach out to him to be 741 00:28:03,484 --> 00:28:04,651 a part of the documentary? 742 00:28:04,751 --> 00:28:06,520 Uh, so, he got out on the last day of filming, 743 00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:07,988 it was one of the most surreal days of my life 744 00:28:08,088 --> 00:28:09,823 up until tomorrow when he releases his statement 745 00:28:09,957 --> 00:28:12,793 about the doc. Uh, the surreal-- the surreality will continue. 746 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,962 Um, you know, I thought maybe the project 747 00:28:15,028 --> 00:28:17,564 goes away, and also, "Yay! Maybe the project goes away!" 748 00:28:17,664 --> 00:28:19,833 You know? Because it was just so hard to make. 749 00:28:19,967 --> 00:28:20,868 I didn't reach out to him, 750 00:28:20,968 --> 00:28:22,169 because I was always clear that, one, 751 00:28:22,269 --> 00:28:23,804 it's a conversation about him. 752 00:28:23,971 --> 00:28:25,873 -It's not, it's not about a true crime documentary. -Oh, yeah. 753 00:28:25,973 --> 00:28:27,574 -It's not about finding out what this person thinks. -Got it. 754 00:28:27,674 --> 00:28:30,177 It's a conversation about the legacy, and the work, 755 00:28:30,277 --> 00:28:33,213 and also the allegations-- that I believe, as I said-- 756 00:28:33,313 --> 00:28:35,282 and it just felt like I had really... 757 00:28:35,382 --> 00:28:38,352 We had worked hard as a team to get, to get the st-- 758 00:28:38,452 --> 00:28:40,187 -To earn the survivors' trust. -Right. 759 00:28:40,287 --> 00:28:41,522 -Right. Right. -Sit down and have these conversations 760 00:28:41,622 --> 00:28:43,157 in a more wide-open way, and it... 761 00:28:43,257 --> 00:28:45,025 That would have felt like a real betrayal of their trust 762 00:28:45,125 --> 00:28:46,527 to put Bill Cosby into this. 763 00:28:46,627 --> 00:28:48,228 One thing I appreciated in this documentary 764 00:28:48,328 --> 00:28:50,164 is how you're having those conversations. 765 00:28:50,264 --> 00:28:51,865 You know, it feels like... 766 00:28:51,999 --> 00:28:54,401 You had to tackle it... tackle it in a nuanced way. 767 00:28:54,501 --> 00:28:56,003 You didn't just go like, "So, what happened?" 768 00:28:56,036 --> 00:28:58,338 It seemed like there was more to the conversation. 769 00:28:58,439 --> 00:29:00,507 What do you think we missed 770 00:29:00,607 --> 00:29:03,143 in some of the ways we were trying to have conversations 771 00:29:03,243 --> 00:29:04,578 in and around Cosby 772 00:29:04,678 --> 00:29:06,814 and in many of his survivors who came out? 773 00:29:06,947 --> 00:29:08,081 It was really important for me 774 00:29:08,182 --> 00:29:09,716 and the filmmakers and the other producers 775 00:29:09,817 --> 00:29:11,552 to go, "Let's show who these people were. 776 00:29:11,652 --> 00:29:13,020 "Let's bring them in the doc 777 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,255 "when they're just commenting on the time and the era, 778 00:29:15,355 --> 00:29:16,723 "and if they have good memories of Bill Cosby, 779 00:29:16,824 --> 00:29:18,459 let's let them bring them in to talk about that." 780 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:19,993 Because then the thing happens, like, 781 00:29:20,094 --> 00:29:22,529 maybe some woman is telling me about how Playboy worked 782 00:29:22,629 --> 00:29:25,666 and who Hugh Hefner was-- another man who's in this era-- 783 00:29:25,766 --> 00:29:27,768 and you go, "Oh, she's an expert 'cause she was 784 00:29:27,868 --> 00:29:29,336 in Playboy magazine and she was a Playmate." 785 00:29:29,436 --> 00:29:31,105 And then you go, "Oh, wait, she's a survivor." 786 00:29:31,205 --> 00:29:33,340 So, you get to meet her as a human being 787 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,110 who's an expert in her life, in her field, and you don't... 788 00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:37,444 And you're not bringing all that, 789 00:29:37,544 --> 00:29:39,213 "This survivor's about to tell me a story, too." 790 00:29:39,313 --> 00:29:41,248 Right, right. Is it possible 791 00:29:41,348 --> 00:29:43,750 to separate the artist from the art? 792 00:29:43,851 --> 00:29:45,986 -Do you think it is possible? -I mean, I would say this. 793 00:29:46,019 --> 00:29:48,088 We separate the art from the artist all the time. 794 00:29:48,188 --> 00:29:49,623 -Hmm. -There are so many ways. 795 00:29:49,723 --> 00:29:51,759 It could be musicians, could be actors. We... 796 00:29:51,859 --> 00:29:53,427 They don't have to be criminals, but you go... 797 00:29:53,527 --> 00:29:55,329 Like, right now, you're talking about Eric Clapton, 798 00:29:55,429 --> 00:29:57,030 -you know what I mean? (laughs) -(laughs) 799 00:29:57,131 --> 00:29:58,432 There are a lot of people who don't agree 800 00:29:58,532 --> 00:29:59,733 with any of his vaccine stances 801 00:29:59,833 --> 00:30:02,102 but-but maybe felt touched 802 00:30:02,202 --> 00:30:03,937 by the song "Tears in Heaven." You know what I mean? 803 00:30:04,037 --> 00:30:05,839 Like, so, we do that all the time. 804 00:30:05,939 --> 00:30:07,641 We just don't think about it until it becomes somebody 805 00:30:07,741 --> 00:30:09,643 who's so seminal as Bill Cosby. 806 00:30:09,743 --> 00:30:11,345 -Hmm. -Where if I separate... 807 00:30:11,445 --> 00:30:12,946 If I go, "I can't watch this stuff anymore," 808 00:30:12,980 --> 00:30:14,615 and you go, "I can," then it becomes a fight 809 00:30:14,715 --> 00:30:15,949 of you mad at me for... 810 00:30:15,983 --> 00:30:17,417 'cause you think I don't understand 811 00:30:17,518 --> 00:30:19,219 and 'cause you don't think I'm taking him seriously. 812 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:20,754 And, so, for me, I'm like, in this doc, 813 00:30:20,854 --> 00:30:22,156 we can take the art seriously, 814 00:30:22,256 --> 00:30:23,657 -but we have to talk about the other stuff. -Right. 815 00:30:23,757 --> 00:30:25,993 Well, I'll tell you this, man. This documentary, 816 00:30:26,093 --> 00:30:28,695 I can't imagine how hard and scary it was to make. 817 00:30:28,796 --> 00:30:30,197 -It's still scary right now, Trevor. -Yeah, no. 818 00:30:30,297 --> 00:30:32,232 -Yeah. -I-I appreciate that. But-but honestly, 819 00:30:32,332 --> 00:30:34,201 I appreciate it just on a personal level 820 00:30:34,301 --> 00:30:37,871 because I think it gives people an opportunity 821 00:30:37,971 --> 00:30:40,974 to consume an extremely complicated story 822 00:30:41,074 --> 00:30:42,976 and a complicated legacy 823 00:30:43,043 --> 00:30:45,412 in one of the most nuanced ways possible, so thank you for that. 824 00:30:45,512 --> 00:30:46,980 Thank you for putting yourself on the line. 825 00:30:47,047 --> 00:30:48,615 -And just be clear, thank... -And I want you to know, 826 00:30:48,715 --> 00:30:50,784 if your career ends, I will... 827 00:30:50,884 --> 00:30:52,986 I will, like, claim that I never knew you. 828 00:30:53,086 --> 00:30:55,122 -(laughs) -But I appreciate what you did. 829 00:30:55,222 --> 00:30:57,691 Well, I... And I will respect that. I will respect that. 830 00:30:57,791 --> 00:30:59,660 -This tape will be deleted. I understand. -No, man. 831 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,361 For real, man, congratulations, and thank you very much. 832 00:31:01,462 --> 00:31:02,629 Thank you very much, Trevor. 833 00:31:02,729 --> 00:31:04,064 NOAH: We Need to Talk About Cosby 834 00:31:04,164 --> 00:31:07,167 premieres January 30th only on Showtime. 835 00:31:07,267 --> 00:31:08,435 We're gonna take a quick break, 836 00:31:08,535 --> 00:31:10,571 but we'll be right back after this. 837 00:31:13,046 --> 00:31:14,314 Well, that's our show for tonight. 838 00:31:14,414 --> 00:31:16,316 But before we go, this weekend was the 49th anniversary 839 00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:17,717 of Roe v. 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