1 00:00:00,968 --> 00:00:02,269 Does anybody here celebrate Spotify? 2 00:00:02,369 --> 00:00:04,638 -MAN: Yeah. -Yeah? Is it, like, pretty pop... 3 00:00:04,738 --> 00:00:05,973 -Yeah, you love music. -MAN: Yeah. 4 00:00:06,073 --> 00:00:07,674 Did you get your, um... 5 00:00:07,774 --> 00:00:10,544 like, your year... year list thing that they do 6 00:00:10,644 --> 00:00:12,079 where they wrap up your-your yearly... 7 00:00:12,179 --> 00:00:13,881 'Cause they send that to you, and they go like, 8 00:00:13,981 --> 00:00:16,116 "This is the music you listened to this year." 9 00:00:16,216 --> 00:00:18,452 Like, first of all, why do they say "congratulations" 10 00:00:18,552 --> 00:00:19,953 like you achieved something? 11 00:00:20,053 --> 00:00:21,488 "Congratulations, Trevor. 12 00:00:21,588 --> 00:00:23,991 You listened to 40 hours of music this year." 13 00:00:24,091 --> 00:00:25,692 Like I had a choice. 14 00:00:25,792 --> 00:00:28,729 Like, I'm like, "Yeah, it was either listening to music 15 00:00:28,829 --> 00:00:30,831 or listening to my 60-year-old neighbors smash." 16 00:00:30,931 --> 00:00:32,299 Like, that was my choice, basically. 17 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:34,268 Of course I was gonna listen to the music. 18 00:00:34,368 --> 00:00:35,636 And them at the same time. 19 00:00:35,736 --> 00:00:37,971 I wanted the music. You know? 20 00:00:38,071 --> 00:00:40,741 It's also, like, a weird thing to, like, wrap up all my... 21 00:00:40,841 --> 00:00:41,875 Have you ever been disappointed 22 00:00:41,975 --> 00:00:43,677 when you see what your wrap-up is? 23 00:00:43,777 --> 00:00:45,679 'Cause everyone thinks they're a lot cooler than they are, right? 24 00:00:45,779 --> 00:00:47,514 With their Spotify. Everyone's like, "Oh, shit. 25 00:00:47,614 --> 00:00:49,683 "My wrap-up's coming. I got this Kendrick. 26 00:00:49,783 --> 00:00:51,652 "I got a little bit of this underground. 27 00:00:51,752 --> 00:00:53,587 Yeah, I got this. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm." 28 00:00:53,687 --> 00:00:57,090 We should have wrap-ups of, like, our lives as people. 29 00:00:57,191 --> 00:00:58,458 Just, like, a wrap-up of everything. 30 00:00:58,559 --> 00:01:00,894 Everyone you hung out with, everything you did, 31 00:01:01,061 --> 00:01:03,830 just to realize, like, what a loser you actually were. 32 00:01:03,931 --> 00:01:06,834 -(laughter) -'Cause we all think we're a lot cooler than we are. 33 00:01:06,934 --> 00:01:08,702 And then when you look at the wrap-up of your year, 34 00:01:08,802 --> 00:01:10,938 you'll think it was all the highlights, 35 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:13,073 and then you realize all the cool shit you did 36 00:01:13,140 --> 00:01:14,441 was, like, moments. 37 00:01:14,541 --> 00:01:16,577 Really, most of your life was you, 38 00:01:16,677 --> 00:01:18,545 like, scrolling Instagram on the couch 39 00:01:18,645 --> 00:01:21,648 and then scrolling Instagram on the toilet 40 00:01:21,748 --> 00:01:23,717 and then going back to the couch 41 00:01:23,817 --> 00:01:25,919 and realizing that you left your phone in the toilet. 42 00:01:26,086 --> 00:01:28,388 ANNOUNCER: Coming to you from the heart of Times Square 43 00:01:28,488 --> 00:01:31,358 in New York City, the only city in America, 44 00:01:31,458 --> 00:01:33,227 it's The Daily Show. 45 00:01:33,327 --> 00:01:36,997 Tonight, Roe v. Wade aborted? 46 00:01:37,097 --> 00:01:39,366 Ryan Busse 47 00:01:39,466 --> 00:01:42,402 and Scottie Pippen. 48 00:01:42,503 --> 00:01:46,807 This is The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. 49 00:01:46,907 --> 00:01:48,876 Hey! What's going on, everybody? 50 00:01:48,976 --> 00:01:51,111 Welcome to The Daily Show. I'm Trevor Noah. 51 00:01:51,178 --> 00:01:52,446 We got a lot to talk about, 52 00:01:52,546 --> 00:01:54,414 so let's jump straight into the news. 53 00:01:54,515 --> 00:01:56,517 ♪ ♪ 54 00:01:56,617 --> 00:01:59,386 Our first story is about abortion. 55 00:01:59,486 --> 00:02:00,854 What? No. 56 00:02:00,954 --> 00:02:02,389 No, no, no. No, no. Guys, I'm not... 57 00:02:02,489 --> 00:02:04,725 No, I'm not starting the show with the abortion... 58 00:02:04,825 --> 00:02:06,426 What do you mean, I have to? 59 00:02:06,527 --> 00:02:08,362 It's... But it's my show. 60 00:02:08,462 --> 00:02:10,731 I-I can choose what I want to do. It's my choice. 61 00:02:10,831 --> 00:02:12,966 No, I'm not... Yeah, it's my show, so it's... 62 00:02:13,066 --> 00:02:15,102 Well, you know what? I'm-I'm not gonna start the show. 63 00:02:15,202 --> 00:02:16,303 Yeah, I'm not gonna start it on that. 64 00:02:16,403 --> 00:02:17,671 Yeah, and you can tell the Supreme Court 65 00:02:17,771 --> 00:02:19,873 that I said it. You tell them! 66 00:02:19,973 --> 00:02:22,876 All right, we're gonna get to the story of the Supreme Court, 67 00:02:22,976 --> 00:02:26,647 but first, let's warm up with a more fun story. 68 00:02:26,747 --> 00:02:28,448 Yeah. For years, 69 00:02:28,549 --> 00:02:30,150 one of cable news's biggest stars 70 00:02:30,250 --> 00:02:31,752 has been Chris Cuomo. 71 00:02:31,852 --> 00:02:34,788 Right? CNN anchor and human protein shake. 72 00:02:34,888 --> 00:02:36,890 But now Cuomo's network 73 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:39,126 has decided that they've had enough 74 00:02:39,226 --> 00:02:42,095 of his extracurricular activities. 75 00:02:42,129 --> 00:02:44,965 NEWSMAN: CNN has suspended anchor Chris Cuomo indefinitely. 76 00:02:45,098 --> 00:02:48,202 It comes after records showed Cuomo took an active role 77 00:02:48,302 --> 00:02:50,470 in helping his brother, the former governor of New York, 78 00:02:50,571 --> 00:02:53,106 respond to sexual harassment charges. 79 00:02:53,140 --> 00:02:54,741 NEWSWOMAN: Text messages and interview transcripts 80 00:02:54,842 --> 00:02:56,109 released this week 81 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:57,978 by the New York attorney general's office 82 00:02:58,111 --> 00:03:00,480 showing Chris Cuomo helped prepare his brother 83 00:03:00,581 --> 00:03:01,682 for a press conference, 84 00:03:01,782 --> 00:03:04,151 assisted in drafting public statements 85 00:03:04,251 --> 00:03:05,719 and even shared a lead 86 00:03:05,819 --> 00:03:07,821 on a woman accusing the former governor 87 00:03:07,921 --> 00:03:10,557 of inappropriate behavior at a wedding. 88 00:03:10,657 --> 00:03:12,059 NEWSWOMAN 2: The documents also reveal 89 00:03:12,092 --> 00:03:14,394 Chris Cuomo offered to use his media sources 90 00:03:14,494 --> 00:03:17,197 to find out if more women were coming forward. 91 00:03:17,297 --> 00:03:19,700 In March, a top aide to then-Governor Cuomo 92 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,936 texted Chris Cuomo, "Rumor going around from Politico 93 00:03:23,070 --> 00:03:25,305 "one to two more people coming out tomorrow. 94 00:03:25,405 --> 00:03:26,773 Can you check your sources?" 95 00:03:26,874 --> 00:03:29,977 Four minutes later, Cuomo responded, "On it." 96 00:03:30,077 --> 00:03:31,411 Whew. 97 00:03:31,512 --> 00:03:33,847 Okay, look, look, look, on the one hand, 98 00:03:33,947 --> 00:03:36,383 this is a story about a guy helping his brother 99 00:03:36,483 --> 00:03:38,218 in a time of crisis. 100 00:03:38,318 --> 00:03:40,654 And, I mean, who wouldn't do that for their brother? 101 00:03:40,754 --> 00:03:43,390 'Cause you got to remember, brother is the top level 102 00:03:43,490 --> 00:03:45,125 of male relationship. 103 00:03:45,225 --> 00:03:47,194 Yeah, it goes brother, 104 00:03:47,294 --> 00:03:49,496 my dude, homie, 105 00:03:49,596 --> 00:03:51,698 this guy, then stepdad. 106 00:03:51,798 --> 00:03:53,467 And don't forget-- this is ingrained. Right? 107 00:03:53,567 --> 00:03:55,669 Siblings learn to cover for each other from a really young age. 108 00:03:55,769 --> 00:03:57,771 Like, your brother tries to steal some cookies, 109 00:03:57,871 --> 00:03:59,106 he breaks the cookie jar, 110 00:03:59,173 --> 00:04:00,908 you tell your mom the jar fell by itself 111 00:04:01,041 --> 00:04:03,410 and then your brother shares the cookies with you. 112 00:04:03,510 --> 00:04:04,645 That's how it works. 113 00:04:04,745 --> 00:04:06,880 Although, now that I think about it, 114 00:04:07,047 --> 00:04:09,650 Isaac never did share the cookies. 115 00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:11,785 Mom! Isaac broke the jar! 116 00:04:11,885 --> 00:04:13,420 I changed my mind! 117 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,756 Of course, it does matter, 118 00:04:15,856 --> 00:04:19,092 and it does make a difference how you help your brother 119 00:04:19,193 --> 00:04:21,061 and what you're helping him with. 120 00:04:21,128 --> 00:04:23,897 Like, if your brother murdered somebody, 121 00:04:24,064 --> 00:04:26,333 you can either help him get the best lawyer in the country 122 00:04:26,433 --> 00:04:28,235 or you can help him bury the body. 123 00:04:28,335 --> 00:04:29,636 I mean, both make you a good brother, 124 00:04:29,736 --> 00:04:32,840 but one makes you an accessory after the fact. 125 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:34,641 That's a choice that you're making. 126 00:04:34,741 --> 00:04:37,811 And the big problem is that Chris used his influence 127 00:04:37,911 --> 00:04:41,481 as a CNN journalist to help dig up info 128 00:04:41,582 --> 00:04:43,483 on Andrew's accusers. 129 00:04:43,584 --> 00:04:46,720 And, people, that's not what CNN is about. 130 00:04:46,820 --> 00:04:49,990 CNN is about sitting 12 people together at a desk 131 00:04:50,090 --> 00:04:51,191 and having them yell at each other 132 00:04:51,291 --> 00:04:53,126 about whether Adele's Las Vegas residency 133 00:04:53,227 --> 00:04:55,762 is gonna hurt Biden's poll numbers or not. 134 00:04:55,863 --> 00:04:58,165 -That is CNN. -♪ ♪ 135 00:04:58,265 --> 00:04:59,533 Anyway, enough about CNN. 136 00:04:59,633 --> 00:05:00,734 Let's talk about COVID, 137 00:05:00,834 --> 00:05:02,302 the disease that's been around for so long 138 00:05:02,402 --> 00:05:04,771 that it's now at high risk of catching COVID. 139 00:05:04,872 --> 00:05:06,907 Since first being discovered in South Africa, 140 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,909 we've now learned that Omicron 141 00:05:09,042 --> 00:05:12,312 has been in countries around the globe. 142 00:05:12,412 --> 00:05:15,349 And, today, they confirmed the first known case 143 00:05:15,449 --> 00:05:16,783 in the United States. 144 00:05:16,884 --> 00:05:19,253 Yeah. I mean, damn. 145 00:05:19,353 --> 00:05:20,954 Omicron got here quickly, you know? 146 00:05:21,054 --> 00:05:22,222 Say what you want about Joe Biden, 147 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:23,590 but he got that supply chain moving. 148 00:05:23,690 --> 00:05:24,725 Am I right, guys? 149 00:05:24,825 --> 00:05:26,226 No? All right. 150 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:29,062 So, yes, apparently, they found a single case of Omicron 151 00:05:29,162 --> 00:05:30,397 in California, 152 00:05:30,497 --> 00:05:32,766 which is just so typical. 153 00:05:32,866 --> 00:05:34,768 You know? Omicron gets a little buzz 154 00:05:34,868 --> 00:05:36,937 and immediately wants to try and make it in Hollywood. 155 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:38,505 "Oh, I'm special." 156 00:05:38,605 --> 00:05:41,074 But aside from learning about COVID's newest variant, 157 00:05:41,141 --> 00:05:45,379 now we're also learning more about its most famous supporter, 158 00:05:45,479 --> 00:05:48,115 Donald J. Trump. 159 00:05:48,215 --> 00:05:50,951 Do you remember how, last year, 160 00:05:51,084 --> 00:05:52,486 a month before the election, 161 00:05:52,586 --> 00:05:54,821 he suddenly came down with coronavirus? Yeah? 162 00:05:54,922 --> 00:05:55,856 (chuckles) It was hilarious. 163 00:05:55,956 --> 00:05:57,090 I mean, it was very scary. 164 00:05:57,124 --> 00:05:58,892 We were all so scared. So scared. 165 00:05:58,992 --> 00:06:00,661 Well, now we're finding out 166 00:06:00,761 --> 00:06:03,897 that Trump was basically a one-man superspreader. 167 00:06:04,031 --> 00:06:06,033 We do begin with breaking news. 168 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:09,670 Donald Trump tested positive for coronavirus 169 00:06:09,770 --> 00:06:14,174 three days before his first debate against Joe Biden 170 00:06:14,274 --> 00:06:16,243 on September 29, 2020. 171 00:06:16,343 --> 00:06:18,779 This stunning revelation is in a new book 172 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:21,582 by former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows 173 00:06:21,682 --> 00:06:23,750 that was obtained by The Guardian. 174 00:06:23,851 --> 00:06:27,688 A positive test the country never knew about. 175 00:06:27,788 --> 00:06:29,957 Here is the timeline as we know it: 176 00:06:30,057 --> 00:06:32,960 on Saturday, September 26 of 2020, 177 00:06:33,060 --> 00:06:35,395 Trump hosted the Rose Garden event 178 00:06:35,495 --> 00:06:37,831 for Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett. 179 00:06:37,931 --> 00:06:39,266 NEWSWOMAN: And then, later that evening, 180 00:06:39,366 --> 00:06:41,735 he made his way to a rally in Pennsylvania. 181 00:06:41,835 --> 00:06:44,137 As Marine One is lifting off for that event, 182 00:06:44,238 --> 00:06:47,274 the White House doctor calls and says to stop him 183 00:06:47,374 --> 00:06:49,810 because his COVID test came back positive. 184 00:06:49,910 --> 00:06:52,546 According to Meadows, he was then tested again. 185 00:06:52,646 --> 00:06:53,881 That test came back negative, 186 00:06:53,981 --> 00:06:56,283 so they moved on as though nothing had happened. 187 00:06:56,383 --> 00:06:58,452 On Tuesday, the day of the debate, 188 00:06:58,552 --> 00:07:01,622 Meadows says Trump was moving more slowly than usual, 189 00:07:01,722 --> 00:07:04,791 but "Nothing was going to stop Trump from going out there." 190 00:07:04,892 --> 00:07:06,860 SCIUTTO: Of course, two days after that, 191 00:07:07,027 --> 00:07:11,465 Trump tested positive again, alerts the world by tweet. 192 00:07:11,565 --> 00:07:15,235 Later spend three nights in a hospital, getting treatment. 193 00:07:15,335 --> 00:07:19,239 Yeah, people. Donald Trump got a positive COVID test, 194 00:07:19,339 --> 00:07:21,475 then retested and got a negative test, 195 00:07:21,575 --> 00:07:23,310 and then just went about his life without telling anybody. 196 00:07:23,410 --> 00:07:25,312 Which, I mean, on the one hand, 197 00:07:25,412 --> 00:07:27,848 was incredibly irresponsible and dangerous, 198 00:07:27,948 --> 00:07:32,052 but on the other hand, it was very relatable. 199 00:07:32,119 --> 00:07:34,421 I mean, that's why you get second opinions, right? 200 00:07:34,521 --> 00:07:36,523 If one doctor tells you that you're very ill, 201 00:07:36,623 --> 00:07:39,193 and you don't have much longer, but another doctor says, 202 00:07:39,293 --> 00:07:41,828 "Looking good, my man. You should go to Miami," 203 00:07:41,929 --> 00:07:43,730 I mean, you're going to roll with that doctor. 204 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:45,966 But what was especially irresponsible about this 205 00:07:46,066 --> 00:07:47,801 is that he hid, 206 00:07:47,901 --> 00:07:49,636 he completely hid his positive test 207 00:07:49,736 --> 00:07:51,905 right before he went on stage 208 00:07:52,072 --> 00:07:56,610 and screamed at 98-year-old Joe Biden for two hours. 209 00:07:56,710 --> 00:07:59,913 I'm not saying that Trump was trying to assassinate Joe Biden, 210 00:08:00,013 --> 00:08:03,150 but he definitely wasn't going out of his way to avoid it. 211 00:08:03,250 --> 00:08:06,086 If this is God's plan for Joe Biden, 212 00:08:06,186 --> 00:08:09,690 what can I do to stop it, except maybe wear a mask? 213 00:08:09,790 --> 00:08:14,061 Which I won't do because it's totally gay. So gay. 214 00:08:14,161 --> 00:08:16,029 And looking back on it, we should have been able to tell 215 00:08:16,129 --> 00:08:18,031 that Trump had coronavirus at the debate. 216 00:08:18,131 --> 00:08:19,566 I mean, just look at the footage. 217 00:08:19,666 --> 00:08:21,301 Look, I mean, I have a mask right here. 218 00:08:21,401 --> 00:08:24,071 I put a mask on, you know, when I think I need it. 219 00:08:24,171 --> 00:08:25,405 Are you in favor of law and order? 220 00:08:25,506 --> 00:08:26,840 Following a little bit of order. Yes, I'm in favor. 221 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:28,308 -Mr. President, no. -Can I be honest? 222 00:08:28,408 --> 00:08:30,077 -It's a very important question. -Try to be honest. 223 00:08:30,177 --> 00:08:31,612 When they run through the middle of the town... 224 00:08:31,712 --> 00:08:33,213 -President-President Trump? -...and burn down your stores 225 00:08:33,313 --> 00:08:34,348 and kill people all over the place? 226 00:08:34,448 --> 00:08:35,349 President Trump, I... President Trump? 227 00:08:35,449 --> 00:08:36,850 (applause) 228 00:08:36,950 --> 00:08:38,485 CHRIS WALLACE: Thank you. 229 00:08:40,554 --> 00:08:43,690 I'm not sure how we missed it back then. Huh. 230 00:08:43,790 --> 00:08:47,227 All right, but let's move on from Trump to the Supreme Court. 231 00:08:47,327 --> 00:08:50,297 The Supreme Court that he created in his image, in fact. 232 00:08:50,397 --> 00:08:52,599 Abortion has been a constitutional right 233 00:08:52,699 --> 00:08:55,369 in the United States ever since the Supreme Court decided 234 00:08:55,469 --> 00:08:57,704 Roe v. Wade nearly half a century ago. 235 00:08:57,804 --> 00:09:00,374 But based on what happened at the Supreme Court today, 236 00:09:00,474 --> 00:09:03,911 it seems like it won't be a right for much longer. 237 00:09:04,011 --> 00:09:06,813 A Fox News alert. Oral arguments 238 00:09:06,914 --> 00:09:08,448 in a landmark abortion case wrapping up 239 00:09:08,549 --> 00:09:10,717 at the Supreme Court after nearly two hours. 240 00:09:10,817 --> 00:09:13,754 The hearing setting up a decision by this high court, 241 00:09:13,854 --> 00:09:16,056 now with a six to three conservative majority, 242 00:09:16,156 --> 00:09:19,326 that could change abortion laws across the country. 243 00:09:19,426 --> 00:09:20,761 NEWSWOMAN: Hundreds of protesters 244 00:09:20,861 --> 00:09:22,896 from both sides of the issue gathered outside 245 00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:24,331 of the Supreme Court. 246 00:09:24,431 --> 00:09:26,033 NEWSMAN 2: The stakes could not be higher. 247 00:09:26,066 --> 00:09:27,935 Roe v. Wade is on the line 248 00:09:28,035 --> 00:09:30,337 as the justices consider a law from Mississippi 249 00:09:30,437 --> 00:09:32,206 that would ban almost all abortions 250 00:09:32,306 --> 00:09:34,441 after 15 weeks of pregnancy. 251 00:09:34,541 --> 00:09:36,810 NEWSWOMAN 2: After today's arguments over abortion, 252 00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:38,679 it appears abortion rights in America, 253 00:09:38,779 --> 00:09:41,481 as they stand right now, are in grave danger. 254 00:09:41,582 --> 00:09:44,151 After two hours of questioning, the general consensus 255 00:09:44,251 --> 00:09:48,355 among legal experts is that there are at least five votes 256 00:09:48,455 --> 00:09:50,924 to uphold Mississippi's ban on abortion 257 00:09:51,058 --> 00:09:53,393 after 15 weeks of pregnancy, 258 00:09:53,493 --> 00:09:57,197 and possibly as many votes to overturn a federal right 259 00:09:57,297 --> 00:09:59,433 to an abortion altogether. 260 00:09:59,533 --> 00:10:02,469 Ooh, boy, based on the oral arguments 261 00:10:02,569 --> 00:10:05,272 in the Supreme Court today, it looks very likely 262 00:10:05,372 --> 00:10:07,808 that Roe v. Wade will soon be overturned. 263 00:10:07,908 --> 00:10:10,244 And you know, when you think about it, it is wild. 264 00:10:10,344 --> 00:10:11,712 It's wild for the United States 265 00:10:11,812 --> 00:10:14,781 to take such a step backwards in women's rights. 266 00:10:14,882 --> 00:10:17,484 It's almost like the U.S. invaded Afghanistan 267 00:10:17,584 --> 00:10:19,853 to defeat the Taliban, and then came back to the U.S. like, 268 00:10:19,953 --> 00:10:22,856 "Actually, those guys have some pretty good ideas." 269 00:10:22,956 --> 00:10:24,525 And now, the truth is, the truth is 270 00:10:24,625 --> 00:10:26,960 that this is the culmination of a 50-year plan 271 00:10:27,060 --> 00:10:28,328 for the conservative movement 272 00:10:28,428 --> 00:10:30,898 to reshape the courts for this very purpose. 273 00:10:30,998 --> 00:10:33,600 And say what you want about it, but you've got to admit, man, 274 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:35,102 the conservative movement 275 00:10:35,202 --> 00:10:38,505 is just that dedicated to protecting life. 276 00:10:38,605 --> 00:10:42,609 I mean, not protecting life from coronavirus or school shootings 277 00:10:42,709 --> 00:10:45,546 or from a lack of healthcare or climate change 278 00:10:45,646 --> 00:10:47,848 or poverty or homelessness or... 279 00:10:47,948 --> 00:10:50,551 And I know, I know, I know there are guys out there right now 280 00:10:50,651 --> 00:10:52,186 who are saying, "Well, you know what? 281 00:10:52,286 --> 00:10:54,087 Tough luck, ladies, but this doesn't affect me." 282 00:10:54,188 --> 00:10:56,723 Well, first of all, you're gonna see it affect your bank account 283 00:10:56,823 --> 00:10:59,226 when you're paying child support for 18 years. 284 00:10:59,326 --> 00:11:03,597 And secondly, you guys clearly don't see what's happening here. 285 00:11:03,697 --> 00:11:05,599 Yeah, because first, first they said a baby 286 00:11:05,699 --> 00:11:07,935 is only a baby when it comes out of the vagina. 287 00:11:08,068 --> 00:11:10,070 Then they said it's a baby when it's viable 288 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:12,439 outside of the womb, right? 289 00:11:12,539 --> 00:11:14,808 Now you've got people arguing that if there's 290 00:11:14,908 --> 00:11:17,211 any electrical signal, it counts as a heartbeat. 291 00:11:17,311 --> 00:11:18,979 You realize what's coming up next, right? 292 00:11:19,079 --> 00:11:20,948 At some point they're gonna be like: 293 00:11:21,081 --> 00:11:23,250 Okay, we decided that sperm is babies, 294 00:11:23,350 --> 00:11:25,252 so you can't jack off anymore. 295 00:11:25,352 --> 00:11:27,921 Be like: What? But what if I have a wet dream? 296 00:11:28,088 --> 00:11:29,857 Then your ass is going to jail! 297 00:11:29,957 --> 00:11:30,924 Yeah, now you're in your dreams 298 00:11:31,091 --> 00:11:32,326 trying to get your high school teacher 299 00:11:32,426 --> 00:11:33,627 to put her shirt back on. 300 00:11:33,727 --> 00:11:35,329 No, Mrs. Patterson, please, please, 301 00:11:35,429 --> 00:11:37,097 I can't do hard time. 302 00:11:37,164 --> 00:11:38,599 Please get dressed. 303 00:11:38,699 --> 00:11:39,900 I'm kidding, of course. I'm kidding. 304 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,435 Obviously nobody's ever going to regulate 305 00:11:41,535 --> 00:11:42,903 what men can do with their bodies. 306 00:11:43,003 --> 00:11:44,004 Calm down, everybody. 307 00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:46,106 Now, look, we don't know for sure 308 00:11:46,173 --> 00:11:48,375 what the ruling will be yet, and we won't find out 309 00:11:48,475 --> 00:11:51,178 until next year, but you can tell a lot 310 00:11:51,278 --> 00:11:53,213 about where the justices stand 311 00:11:53,313 --> 00:11:56,183 based on what kind of arguments they made. 312 00:11:56,283 --> 00:12:00,354 For example, Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Trump appointee 313 00:12:00,454 --> 00:12:02,623 and guy at the bar who insists he's totally fine to drive, 314 00:12:02,723 --> 00:12:05,559 well, he emphasized the view that overturning 315 00:12:05,659 --> 00:12:07,628 the right to abortion would actually be 316 00:12:07,728 --> 00:12:09,463 the neutral position, 317 00:12:09,563 --> 00:12:14,401 because it is neither pro-life nor pro-choice, 318 00:12:14,501 --> 00:12:17,137 but simply leaves the issue up to the states. 319 00:12:17,237 --> 00:12:20,240 And I have to admit, guys, 320 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:22,676 that argument actually makes a lot of sense. 321 00:12:22,776 --> 00:12:24,912 Like, why should there be one abortion law 322 00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:26,380 for the entire country? 323 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,448 I mean, people in Alabama and people in California 324 00:12:28,549 --> 00:12:30,184 have very different views on this, 325 00:12:30,284 --> 00:12:33,153 so maybe it should be different in different states. 326 00:12:33,253 --> 00:12:35,355 Although, when you think about it, 327 00:12:35,455 --> 00:12:38,625 there are also differences in different parts of each state. 328 00:12:38,725 --> 00:12:41,094 So, really, the law should be, like, by county. 329 00:12:41,195 --> 00:12:42,696 You know what I mean? That would be better. 330 00:12:42,796 --> 00:12:44,231 They should say, like, red counties 331 00:12:44,331 --> 00:12:46,099 in a blue state can ban abortion, 332 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,102 but blue counties in a red state can allow abortion. 333 00:12:49,169 --> 00:12:50,671 I mean, that seems fair, right? 334 00:12:50,771 --> 00:12:52,873 Yeah, it's up to the states but make it up to the county. 335 00:12:52,973 --> 00:12:54,741 Well, except, actually, sometimes you have 336 00:12:54,842 --> 00:12:56,677 urban and rural areas sharing a county, 337 00:12:56,777 --> 00:12:59,680 so maybe it should be at the level of the city or the town. 338 00:12:59,780 --> 00:13:01,448 Yeah. No, wait. 339 00:13:01,548 --> 00:13:03,717 what if each house-- oh, yes, each house! 340 00:13:03,817 --> 00:13:05,686 Each house could have its own rule. 341 00:13:05,786 --> 00:13:07,621 Yeah, this makes sense, right? Because the neighbors, 342 00:13:07,721 --> 00:13:09,489 they don't always agree with each other. 343 00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:11,491 Like, in the house, you... 344 00:13:11,592 --> 00:13:13,660 Within the house, people have different opinions. 345 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,763 You know what, what if each person made their own rule? 346 00:13:16,864 --> 00:13:18,765 Like, each person could decide for themselves 347 00:13:18,866 --> 00:13:20,334 what they could do with their... 348 00:13:20,434 --> 00:13:22,302 Oh, shit, people, I figured it out. 349 00:13:22,402 --> 00:13:24,071 Yo, get me a taxi to the Supreme Court! 350 00:13:24,104 --> 00:13:25,772 You know what, get me a taxi to the bar 351 00:13:25,873 --> 00:13:26,974 next to the Supreme Court. 352 00:13:27,074 --> 00:13:28,942 I want to tell Justice Kavanaugh something. 353 00:13:29,076 --> 00:13:30,978 Yeah. Man, this is amazing. 354 00:13:31,078 --> 00:13:32,179 All right, all right, I got to go to D.C., 355 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:33,847 but when we come back, I'll be talking 356 00:13:33,947 --> 00:13:36,483 to a former gun manufacturer about what he regrets. 357 00:13:36,583 --> 00:13:39,453 And then Scottie Pippen will be joining me on the show. 358 00:13:39,553 --> 00:13:40,787 You don't want to miss it. 359 00:13:40,888 --> 00:13:43,323 Yeah, tell the taxi to wait! I'm gonna get my robe. 360 00:13:45,526 --> 00:13:47,227 Welcome back to The Daily Show. 361 00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:48,762 My first guest is Ryan Busse. 362 00:13:48,862 --> 00:13:50,531 He's a former firearms executive 363 00:13:50,631 --> 00:13:52,900 who blows the whistle on the gun industry 364 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,102 in his new book, Gunfight. 365 00:13:55,202 --> 00:13:57,304 Ryan Busse, welcome to the show. 366 00:13:57,404 --> 00:13:59,973 -Thanks so much, Trevor. Fantastic to be here. -Uh... 367 00:14:00,074 --> 00:14:03,577 You know, you've written a book that I think threads the needle 368 00:14:03,677 --> 00:14:05,979 in a very complicated conversation 369 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,848 that America is having, and that conversation 370 00:14:07,948 --> 00:14:10,551 is, "What are guns? 371 00:14:10,651 --> 00:14:13,087 "What do guns mean to America? 372 00:14:13,187 --> 00:14:15,989 "And is there anything that can be done 373 00:14:16,090 --> 00:14:18,258 to try and reduce gun violence in the country?" 374 00:14:18,358 --> 00:14:21,061 And-and just so people have an understanding of who you are, 375 00:14:21,161 --> 00:14:23,797 I mean, you're like the poster child for the NRA. 376 00:14:23,897 --> 00:14:26,166 I mean, you-you were gifted shotguns as a kid, right? 377 00:14:26,266 --> 00:14:27,468 You were an avid hunter. 378 00:14:27,568 --> 00:14:29,470 You-you were an avid defender-- 379 00:14:29,570 --> 00:14:31,004 you still are-- of the Second Amendment. 380 00:14:31,105 --> 00:14:33,307 Uh, you worked as a... you know, for a gun manufacturer 381 00:14:33,407 --> 00:14:34,708 for 25 years. 382 00:14:34,808 --> 00:14:37,745 And yet you say that there is a lot that is wrong 383 00:14:37,845 --> 00:14:39,346 with the gun industry. 384 00:14:39,446 --> 00:14:42,149 Let's talk about that. What changed in your life? 385 00:14:42,249 --> 00:14:43,717 What-what was the moment where you thought, 386 00:14:43,817 --> 00:14:45,953 "This is not going the way it should"? 387 00:14:46,053 --> 00:14:47,755 I think there's a few things that changed. 388 00:14:47,855 --> 00:14:49,456 Uh, more than anything, 389 00:14:49,623 --> 00:14:51,925 I think the gun industry and the NRA 390 00:14:52,025 --> 00:14:53,861 changed around all of us. 391 00:14:53,961 --> 00:14:55,662 And I think democracy... 392 00:14:55,763 --> 00:14:57,631 You know, there's a lot of freedoms in America 393 00:14:57,698 --> 00:14:58,932 which are beautiful. 394 00:14:59,032 --> 00:15:01,402 Um, the right to self-defense and to own guns 395 00:15:01,502 --> 00:15:03,137 and to do things that I love to do with my boys 396 00:15:03,237 --> 00:15:04,405 and to shoot and to hunt 397 00:15:04,505 --> 00:15:06,273 and-and all of those things is fantastic. 398 00:15:06,373 --> 00:15:08,742 But if it's not balanced with responsibility, 399 00:15:08,842 --> 00:15:10,844 it's gonna run out of control. 400 00:15:10,944 --> 00:15:13,547 And I started to see things in the firearms industry 401 00:15:13,647 --> 00:15:16,717 and in my life and in my career where responsibility 402 00:15:16,817 --> 00:15:19,219 was not being inserted into the discussion anymore 403 00:15:19,319 --> 00:15:22,723 and-and just runaway rights were-were taking over. 404 00:15:22,823 --> 00:15:25,692 And-and in the early 1990s 405 00:15:25,793 --> 00:15:28,095 and in the 2000s when I got into the industry, 406 00:15:28,195 --> 00:15:29,930 it-it was a much different place 407 00:15:30,030 --> 00:15:31,432 where responsibility and decency 408 00:15:31,532 --> 00:15:33,667 were still inserted into the argument. 409 00:15:33,734 --> 00:15:35,669 And they're no longer there anymore. 410 00:15:35,736 --> 00:15:37,104 Um, it's a very frightening... 411 00:15:37,204 --> 00:15:38,839 It's a very frightening place we live in now. 412 00:15:38,939 --> 00:15:40,207 I-It's interesting you say that 413 00:15:40,307 --> 00:15:41,975 because, you know, when I was reading the book, 414 00:15:42,076 --> 00:15:43,277 there were so many things I-I didn't know 415 00:15:43,377 --> 00:15:44,711 about the journey of the NRA. 416 00:15:44,812 --> 00:15:46,613 I didn't know about the journey of guns in America. 417 00:15:46,647 --> 00:15:48,615 You know, I-I've read about it, but as somebody... 418 00:15:48,682 --> 00:15:50,717 As an insider, you-you really give an insight 419 00:15:50,818 --> 00:15:53,087 into a world that I think a lot of people don't know much about. 420 00:15:53,187 --> 00:15:55,322 You know, for instance, I didn't realize 421 00:15:55,422 --> 00:15:58,625 that at some point, the NRA essentially became more powerful 422 00:15:58,692 --> 00:16:00,627 than the manufacturers of guns themselves. 423 00:16:00,728 --> 00:16:02,629 You talk about a moment where Smith & Wesson 424 00:16:02,730 --> 00:16:04,631 decided to stand up and say, "Actually, 425 00:16:04,732 --> 00:16:06,333 maybe we could do more for gun safety." 426 00:16:06,433 --> 00:16:08,535 And the NRA led a boycott against them. 427 00:16:08,635 --> 00:16:10,871 Yeah, I think it's-it's important to note, 428 00:16:10,971 --> 00:16:14,908 I often hear on reports and NPR, uh, segments 429 00:16:15,008 --> 00:16:17,711 where people say, "Well, the-the NRA 430 00:16:17,811 --> 00:16:19,446 is just a tool of the firearms manufacturers." 431 00:16:19,546 --> 00:16:22,049 I found that to be exactly the opposite. 432 00:16:22,149 --> 00:16:23,484 The NRA ran the show. 433 00:16:23,650 --> 00:16:24,785 They still ran the show. 434 00:16:24,885 --> 00:16:25,953 They set the narrative. 435 00:16:26,053 --> 00:16:27,721 Everything that they stated, 436 00:16:27,821 --> 00:16:30,390 every-every tactic that they laid down, 437 00:16:30,491 --> 00:16:32,860 everybody said, "Yes, sir, can I have another?" 438 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,130 Um, my experience is there's no separation between the NRA 439 00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:37,398 and the firearms industry, 440 00:16:37,498 --> 00:16:40,167 because there's an intertwined sort of symbiosis 441 00:16:40,267 --> 00:16:42,403 between what drives success for the NRA, 442 00:16:42,503 --> 00:16:45,406 which is fear, conspiracy theory, 443 00:16:45,506 --> 00:16:48,609 hatred of the other, acceptance of racism. 444 00:16:48,642 --> 00:16:50,978 Those things drive electoral outcomes, 445 00:16:51,078 --> 00:16:54,314 -and the NRA stumbled on to that 15 or 18 years ago. -Hmm. 446 00:16:54,415 --> 00:16:57,484 Those are exactly the same things that drive firearm sales. 447 00:16:57,618 --> 00:17:00,020 And so there's a-a very unhealthy symbiosis 448 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,422 between those two entities. 449 00:17:01,522 --> 00:17:03,023 Yeah, you know, o-one of the parts of the book 450 00:17:03,123 --> 00:17:04,792 that really stuck with me was when you were talking 451 00:17:04,892 --> 00:17:06,126 about yourself as a gun owner 452 00:17:06,226 --> 00:17:07,795 and you're talking about your sons and your family 453 00:17:07,895 --> 00:17:09,530 and you said something really interesting that I think 454 00:17:09,630 --> 00:17:11,999 a lot of people don't actually think about and you said, 455 00:17:12,099 --> 00:17:14,668 "We don't identify with guns. 456 00:17:14,768 --> 00:17:16,837 "We like using them. We like hunting with them. 457 00:17:16,937 --> 00:17:18,205 -"We like shooting with them. -Yeah. 458 00:17:18,305 --> 00:17:21,542 But we don't identify ourselves with the firearms." 459 00:17:21,642 --> 00:17:23,077 What did that mean and why is that important? 460 00:17:23,177 --> 00:17:24,478 Well, I think... 461 00:17:25,446 --> 00:17:27,648 There's a couple different types of flags that we saw 462 00:17:27,748 --> 00:17:28,916 on January 6. 463 00:17:29,016 --> 00:17:31,351 We saw Trump and American flags, 464 00:17:31,452 --> 00:17:33,153 and then we saw-- the other type of flag we saw 465 00:17:33,253 --> 00:17:35,956 -were "Come and take it" AR-15 flags. -Mm-hmm. 466 00:17:36,056 --> 00:17:38,325 Political radicals, right-wing political radicals 467 00:17:38,425 --> 00:17:40,661 in this country now are driven, 468 00:17:40,728 --> 00:17:43,097 are-are owned... 469 00:17:43,197 --> 00:17:47,634 They use guns as the central symbol of their identity. 470 00:17:47,735 --> 00:17:48,836 It's a dangerous thing. 471 00:17:48,936 --> 00:17:50,337 This is authoritarianism, 472 00:17:50,437 --> 00:17:53,040 you know, at its formative stages. 473 00:17:53,140 --> 00:17:55,042 There are millions of responsible gun owners 474 00:17:55,142 --> 00:17:57,778 in this country who love to shoot with their kids 475 00:17:57,878 --> 00:18:00,180 -and hunt and do all the things that I love to do. -Right. 476 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,449 And believe in the right to self-defense. 477 00:18:02,616 --> 00:18:04,451 But this-- but this idea 478 00:18:04,618 --> 00:18:06,787 that guns are somehow the symbol 479 00:18:06,887 --> 00:18:09,723 of some right-wing political movement, 480 00:18:09,823 --> 00:18:12,926 that-that's dangerous 1936 Germany stuff. 481 00:18:13,026 --> 00:18:14,495 And it-it's frightening. 482 00:18:14,628 --> 00:18:15,863 So do you think there's a world then 483 00:18:15,963 --> 00:18:19,767 where America can find a balance between owning guns 484 00:18:19,867 --> 00:18:21,635 and still living in a safer society? 485 00:18:21,668 --> 00:18:22,936 And I-I ask this question because, I mean, 486 00:18:23,036 --> 00:18:24,405 here on the show, you know, we've done a piece 487 00:18:24,505 --> 00:18:26,707 on Switzerland and how Switzerland, I think, 488 00:18:26,807 --> 00:18:28,475 has more guns per capita than the U.S. 489 00:18:28,642 --> 00:18:31,145 and yet has lower gun deaths than the U.S. 490 00:18:31,245 --> 00:18:33,080 You know, because the Swiss say 491 00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:34,681 they teach people to respect the weapons. 492 00:18:34,782 --> 00:18:37,551 They teach people, you know, how to hold the weapons, 493 00:18:37,651 --> 00:18:38,752 play with the weapons, 494 00:18:38,852 --> 00:18:40,053 use the weapons in the right environments. 495 00:18:40,154 --> 00:18:42,289 Even kids are taught how to shoot in some of the schools. 496 00:18:42,389 --> 00:18:43,857 -Yeah. -You know? And-and it feels like there's a culture 497 00:18:43,957 --> 00:18:45,192 around the gun. 498 00:18:45,292 --> 00:18:47,361 But what I found interesting again in the book is, 499 00:18:47,461 --> 00:18:48,996 you talk about how that culture used to exist. 500 00:18:49,096 --> 00:18:51,098 And then it started getting mocked. 501 00:18:51,198 --> 00:18:52,666 Like, you talk about the Fudds, as they call them, 502 00:18:52,766 --> 00:18:55,102 -the Elmer Fudds with the gun safety guys. -Yeah. 503 00:18:55,202 --> 00:18:57,905 Like, it seems like it's not cool to be safe with guns 504 00:18:58,005 --> 00:19:00,140 now in the world of gun ownership. 505 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,110 Well, that sort of responsible activity 506 00:19:03,210 --> 00:19:05,012 slows down the desired outcome. 507 00:19:05,112 --> 00:19:07,614 It's not cool to be responsible in our politics anymore. 508 00:19:07,681 --> 00:19:10,617 If you haven't noticed, all of these social norms 509 00:19:10,651 --> 00:19:13,821 that once existed, where you didn't say certain things, 510 00:19:13,921 --> 00:19:17,624 you didn't tweet death threats to former... 511 00:19:17,658 --> 00:19:18,992 -to members of Congress... -Right. 512 00:19:19,093 --> 00:19:21,628 -...these norms were not broken. -Mm-hmm. 513 00:19:21,729 --> 00:19:22,763 That's... The same thing happened 514 00:19:22,863 --> 00:19:24,932 in the firearms industry 15, 18 years ago. 515 00:19:25,032 --> 00:19:28,769 These norms of self-control, responsibility, decency... 516 00:19:28,869 --> 00:19:32,940 And to your point about, like, what is the way out of this? 517 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,875 Well, America is a democracy 518 00:19:34,975 --> 00:19:37,945 that operates in the gray spaces. 519 00:19:38,045 --> 00:19:40,481 It's a beautiful thing, but it only exists 520 00:19:40,647 --> 00:19:43,050 because of norms and imposed self-responsibility. 521 00:19:43,150 --> 00:19:45,586 And gun owners, for a long time, were a poster child, 522 00:19:45,686 --> 00:19:47,087 for that sort of responsibility. The fire... 523 00:19:47,187 --> 00:19:48,622 I tell stories in the book 524 00:19:48,722 --> 00:19:50,791 about how the firearms industry 15 or 18 years ago 525 00:19:50,891 --> 00:19:53,594 would not allow tactical anything to be displayed 526 00:19:53,627 --> 00:19:55,095 in its own trade show. 527 00:19:55,195 --> 00:19:56,964 Gloves, tactical vests, 528 00:19:57,064 --> 00:19:59,333 -AR-15s, high-cap magazines. -Interesting. 529 00:19:59,433 --> 00:20:00,968 Those were not displayed in its own trade show. 530 00:20:01,068 --> 00:20:02,736 -And now... -And why was that? 531 00:20:02,836 --> 00:20:04,671 Because it imposed-- the firearms industry-- 532 00:20:04,772 --> 00:20:07,608 imposed these rules upon itself, upon ourselves. 533 00:20:07,641 --> 00:20:10,344 We knew that this was a bad thing 534 00:20:10,444 --> 00:20:12,112 to infiltrate society with... 535 00:20:12,212 --> 00:20:15,382 So, sort of like a fringe idea of what owning a gun was about. 536 00:20:15,482 --> 00:20:17,851 -And we knew that that was a dangerous thing. -Right. 537 00:20:17,951 --> 00:20:20,654 That meant that we accepted a certain level of sales, 538 00:20:20,754 --> 00:20:22,956 and that we wouldn't infiltrate guns, 539 00:20:23,056 --> 00:20:27,127 proliferated guns and lack of decency throughout society. 540 00:20:27,227 --> 00:20:29,963 But you have to accept that sort of self-restraint. 541 00:20:30,064 --> 00:20:32,232 That sort of self-restraint is now gone. 542 00:20:32,332 --> 00:20:33,534 And the same exact thing is happening 543 00:20:33,634 --> 00:20:34,968 in our politics, right? 544 00:20:35,069 --> 00:20:38,172 Like, the sorts of things that we once knew not to say, 545 00:20:38,272 --> 00:20:39,640 -not to do... -Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 546 00:20:39,706 --> 00:20:41,675 not to call your relative, not to call your coworker, 547 00:20:41,775 --> 00:20:44,878 not to say in polite society, that's all gone. 548 00:20:44,978 --> 00:20:47,214 The NRA and the gun industry perfected that. 549 00:20:47,314 --> 00:20:49,216 When we talk about some of the policies, what do you look at? 550 00:20:49,316 --> 00:20:50,951 I know one of the proposals right now 551 00:20:51,051 --> 00:20:53,587 that seems to have support from the right and the left 552 00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:57,024 is people saying, "Hey, let's go after those dealers 553 00:20:57,124 --> 00:20:58,659 "who are selling guns to people, 554 00:20:58,759 --> 00:21:00,394 "and they know that it's going straight to the black market. 555 00:21:00,494 --> 00:21:02,029 Let's go after those dealers." 556 00:21:02,129 --> 00:21:03,831 Are you for legislation like that? 557 00:21:03,931 --> 00:21:05,232 And what other policies do you think 558 00:21:05,332 --> 00:21:06,633 America could actually implement 559 00:21:06,734 --> 00:21:10,404 where people would see a change in gun violence? 560 00:21:10,504 --> 00:21:12,206 I'm in favor of two things right now. 561 00:21:12,306 --> 00:21:14,875 One, we need to close the gun show loophole. 562 00:21:14,975 --> 00:21:17,211 We've been trying to do this since before Columbine. 563 00:21:17,311 --> 00:21:19,012 The kids in Columbine used guns 564 00:21:19,113 --> 00:21:21,415 that were purchased through the gun show loophole. 565 00:21:21,515 --> 00:21:23,851 20-something years later, we still haven't closed it. 566 00:21:23,951 --> 00:21:25,519 It's a simple thing. 567 00:21:25,619 --> 00:21:27,654 It's unforgivable. We should do it. 568 00:21:27,755 --> 00:21:30,124 It's not going to be perfect. It's gonna fix some things. 569 00:21:30,224 --> 00:21:32,526 It's gonna mitigate some things. That needs to be done. 570 00:21:32,626 --> 00:21:36,130 Secondarily, I'm worried about the larger societal impacts 571 00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:39,266 and the graph of where gun radicalization 572 00:21:39,366 --> 00:21:42,870 and right-wing radicalization is taking our country. 573 00:21:42,970 --> 00:21:46,573 I don't think Kyle Rittenhouse was an aberration. 574 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,675 I think he's a warning of what's to come. 575 00:21:48,776 --> 00:21:52,045 We need to outlaw, as a country, state by state, 576 00:21:52,146 --> 00:21:54,782 county by county, or hopefully as a nation, 577 00:21:54,882 --> 00:21:57,151 open armed intimidation. 578 00:21:57,251 --> 00:22:00,053 You can't have open civil society, 579 00:22:00,154 --> 00:22:02,589 you can't have democracy, when one party 580 00:22:02,689 --> 00:22:05,659 is standing over the other with a loaded AR-15. 581 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:07,194 That's not civil. 582 00:22:07,294 --> 00:22:09,863 So I believe two things would help now. 583 00:22:09,963 --> 00:22:12,599 -Close the gun show loophole, -Mm-hmm. 584 00:22:12,666 --> 00:22:16,970 and legislation to outlaw armed intimidation and open carry. 585 00:22:17,071 --> 00:22:19,106 Well, you've written a really compelling book. 586 00:22:19,206 --> 00:22:21,108 I know there will be people who will be for it, 587 00:22:21,208 --> 00:22:22,376 people who will be against it, 588 00:22:22,476 --> 00:22:23,744 but that's what arguments are for. 589 00:22:23,844 --> 00:22:25,212 Thank you so much for joining me on the show. 590 00:22:25,312 --> 00:22:26,980 -Thanks, Trevor. Yep. -Appreciate having you here. 591 00:22:27,081 --> 00:22:29,917 All right, Gunfight is available wherever books are sold. 592 00:22:30,017 --> 00:22:32,352 When we come back, the NBA legend Scottie Pippen 593 00:22:32,453 --> 00:22:35,355 will be joining me right here. Stay tuned. 594 00:22:36,833 --> 00:22:38,167 Welcome back to The Daily Show. 595 00:22:38,267 --> 00:22:39,869 My next guest is NBA Hall of Famer 596 00:22:39,969 --> 00:22:42,171 and six-time NBA champion 597 00:22:42,271 --> 00:22:44,607 and two-time Olympic gold medalist 598 00:22:44,707 --> 00:22:46,109 Scottie Pippen. 599 00:22:46,209 --> 00:22:49,011 He's here to talk about his brand-new memoir, Unguarded. 600 00:22:49,112 --> 00:22:52,281 Scottie Pippen, welcome to The Daily Show. 601 00:22:52,382 --> 00:22:54,851 Thank you. It's a pleasure. Thanks for having me. 602 00:22:54,951 --> 00:22:56,986 -Um... -It's a pleasure to be on your show. 603 00:22:57,086 --> 00:22:58,388 Hey, it can't be a pleasure. 604 00:22:58,488 --> 00:22:59,589 Let me tell you what a pleasure is. 605 00:22:59,689 --> 00:23:01,090 A pleasure is me talking 606 00:23:01,190 --> 00:23:03,726 to one of my favorite basketball players of all time. 607 00:23:03,826 --> 00:23:05,495 I'm someone who didn't even know basketball, 608 00:23:05,595 --> 00:23:08,798 but all I knew was the number one player 609 00:23:08,898 --> 00:23:11,401 to play with on NBA Jam was Scottie Pippen. 610 00:23:11,501 --> 00:23:13,936 I had two favorite players in the NBA Jam game. 611 00:23:14,037 --> 00:23:15,705 It was Scottie Pippen and it was Muggsy Bogues. 612 00:23:15,805 --> 00:23:17,807 -Wow. -And if I wanted to win, I went with Scottie Pippen. 613 00:23:17,907 --> 00:23:19,742 If I wanted to play, like, the cheat codes, 614 00:23:19,842 --> 00:23:21,010 I'd play with Muggsy Bogues. 615 00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:23,179 Um, so, thank you for being on the show, 616 00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:25,782 -um, and thank you for writing the book, man. -It's a pleasure. 617 00:23:25,882 --> 00:23:27,583 It's-it's been a really amazing journey 618 00:23:27,683 --> 00:23:29,218 getting to know who you are as a human being. 619 00:23:29,318 --> 00:23:31,454 I think let's start with the life side of Scottie Pippen. 620 00:23:31,554 --> 00:23:33,056 I think everyone starts with the basketball, 621 00:23:33,156 --> 00:23:34,724 but what I really found interesting about you 622 00:23:34,824 --> 00:23:36,759 was starting with-with the life that you lived. 623 00:23:36,926 --> 00:23:40,596 You had to really get over so many hurdles in life. 624 00:23:40,696 --> 00:23:42,098 You know, you come from a big family. 625 00:23:42,198 --> 00:23:44,667 You come from a family that went through a lot of struggles. 626 00:23:44,767 --> 00:23:46,069 You know, you talk about your brother 627 00:23:46,169 --> 00:23:48,404 and him being paralyzed at a young age. 628 00:23:48,504 --> 00:23:50,807 You talk about your dad suffering a similar fate 629 00:23:50,940 --> 00:23:52,475 but from a very different standpoint. 630 00:23:52,575 --> 00:23:56,145 When you look at that journey that Scottie Pippen had, 631 00:23:56,245 --> 00:23:58,481 you know, you had to make decisions in life, 632 00:23:58,581 --> 00:24:00,349 and you had to become a really resilient person. 633 00:24:00,450 --> 00:24:02,251 What do you think it was that gave you the fortitude 634 00:24:02,351 --> 00:24:03,953 to get through the things that you got through 635 00:24:04,053 --> 00:24:05,455 to get to where you got to? 636 00:24:05,555 --> 00:24:07,023 I would say it was my parents. 637 00:24:07,123 --> 00:24:10,993 Um, just kind of seeing the life that they had taken on. 638 00:24:11,094 --> 00:24:12,528 And, you know, 639 00:24:12,628 --> 00:24:15,264 it wasn't something that they were prepared for. 640 00:24:15,364 --> 00:24:19,669 And by any means could we, uh, afford to have, 641 00:24:19,769 --> 00:24:23,339 you know, two disabled people living in one household. 642 00:24:23,439 --> 00:24:26,142 But we were able to pull through it, 643 00:24:26,242 --> 00:24:28,978 uh, through the struggles and the ups and downs, 644 00:24:29,078 --> 00:24:30,380 and, you know, we... 645 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,715 we made the best of what we had. 646 00:24:32,815 --> 00:24:35,451 I found myself wondering the whole time reading the book, 647 00:24:35,551 --> 00:24:37,920 did young Scottie Pippen know 648 00:24:38,020 --> 00:24:40,790 that he was going to be one of the greatest 649 00:24:40,923 --> 00:24:42,225 every time he touched the ball? 650 00:24:42,325 --> 00:24:44,026 Or was young Scottie Pippen just trying to get 651 00:24:44,127 --> 00:24:47,663 from one play to the next, one moment to the next? 652 00:24:47,764 --> 00:24:51,734 I-I think I was taking it day by day, step by step. 653 00:24:51,834 --> 00:24:55,705 Uh, I... Like any kid, I was dreaming 654 00:24:55,805 --> 00:24:58,708 and wanting one day to play in the NBA, 655 00:24:58,808 --> 00:25:01,077 but, you know, along that journey, 656 00:25:01,177 --> 00:25:04,847 you got to reach certain other steps, you know? 657 00:25:04,947 --> 00:25:06,949 Like playing college basketball. 658 00:25:06,983 --> 00:25:08,251 -Right, right. -Getting my education. 659 00:25:08,351 --> 00:25:09,619 Things of that nature. 660 00:25:09,719 --> 00:25:13,222 So those things were important to me, uh, along the way, 661 00:25:13,322 --> 00:25:14,624 but, ultimately, uh, 662 00:25:14,724 --> 00:25:17,593 I didn't know what type of basketball player I would be, 663 00:25:17,693 --> 00:25:19,796 if I would be one of the 50 greatest, 664 00:25:19,962 --> 00:25:21,531 if I'd just, you know, 665 00:25:21,631 --> 00:25:24,333 maybe get a trial for an NBA team. 666 00:25:24,434 --> 00:25:26,202 You know, you just hope for the best, 667 00:25:26,302 --> 00:25:28,671 and you-you work as hard as you can 668 00:25:28,771 --> 00:25:31,541 to make sure that you're prepared for it. 669 00:25:31,641 --> 00:25:34,210 Uh, you know, it's a long journey, and... 670 00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:38,047 I, you know-- I feel like that I prepared myself for it. 671 00:25:38,147 --> 00:25:39,615 I feel like you've lived a life 672 00:25:39,716 --> 00:25:41,451 as one of the greatest basketball players, 673 00:25:41,551 --> 00:25:43,286 and now you've become an author 674 00:25:43,386 --> 00:25:45,588 of one of the greatest books that delves into the minds 675 00:25:45,688 --> 00:25:48,725 and the inner workings of one of the greatest teams 676 00:25:48,825 --> 00:25:51,394 and-and sports legacies of all time. 677 00:25:51,494 --> 00:25:52,562 Let's start with the beginning. 678 00:25:52,662 --> 00:25:54,030 I mean, that's where the-the book starts. 679 00:25:54,130 --> 00:25:55,832 The prologue. If we-- if we jump right to the beginning. 680 00:25:55,932 --> 00:25:57,100 In the prologue, 681 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,202 you talk about The Last Dance, 682 00:25:59,302 --> 00:26:02,205 you know, the-the documentary that everyone was watching 683 00:26:02,305 --> 00:26:03,339 during the pandemic, 684 00:26:03,439 --> 00:26:05,541 the story that everybody was talking about. 685 00:26:05,641 --> 00:26:07,477 And-and you talk about how, 686 00:26:07,577 --> 00:26:09,946 you know, you wanted to speak your truth. 687 00:26:09,979 --> 00:26:12,048 You wanted to get your story out there. 688 00:26:12,148 --> 00:26:14,650 When you were writing the book, was this-- was this your way 689 00:26:14,751 --> 00:26:16,586 of feeling like you could answer some of the questions 690 00:26:16,686 --> 00:26:18,454 that people asked from the documentary 691 00:26:18,554 --> 00:26:21,357 and maybe didn't show your side of the story? 692 00:26:21,457 --> 00:26:23,960 Well, I-I think I kind of, um, 693 00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:28,131 you know, took myself away from being in the public eye 694 00:26:28,231 --> 00:26:29,432 during the documentary. 695 00:26:29,532 --> 00:26:31,667 -Right. -Uh, I don't know if people even recall, 696 00:26:31,768 --> 00:26:36,472 but I was working for ESPN when the documentary came out 697 00:26:36,572 --> 00:26:38,474 and, uh, took a little hiatus, 698 00:26:38,574 --> 00:26:43,012 because I didn't want to have to relive telling the story 699 00:26:43,112 --> 00:26:47,250 about, uh, what happened, you know, 20 years ago. 700 00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:49,919 So, uh, that was one thing. 701 00:26:49,952 --> 00:26:53,322 But I did feel like that the documentary 702 00:26:53,423 --> 00:26:55,958 was not really about the Last Dance, 703 00:26:56,059 --> 00:26:59,662 because I felt like that it was, uh, 704 00:26:59,762 --> 00:27:01,831 a lot of footage that was taken 705 00:27:01,931 --> 00:27:04,500 that was gonna be really, uh, praising 706 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,703 one of the greatest teams, um, 707 00:27:06,803 --> 00:27:10,640 that really ever been put together in the NBA 708 00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:12,775 and really praise a lot of the people 709 00:27:12,942 --> 00:27:14,677 that was a part of that great team. 710 00:27:14,777 --> 00:27:19,415 And I felt like that the documentary was solely, uh, uh, 711 00:27:19,515 --> 00:27:22,819 built and controlled, you know, through Michael Jordan, 712 00:27:22,952 --> 00:27:25,588 and I didn't feel like it-it really gave justice 713 00:27:25,688 --> 00:27:29,992 to a lot of the great players, um, Coach. 714 00:27:30,093 --> 00:27:32,695 Just that we're a part of that-that journey. 715 00:27:32,795 --> 00:27:35,898 Uh, it was truly something that I felt, like, 716 00:27:35,998 --> 00:27:39,202 needed to be expressed from a team standpoint. 717 00:27:39,302 --> 00:27:40,937 You know, Michael Jordan is undoubtedly 718 00:27:41,037 --> 00:27:44,540 one of the greatest to ever do it, but clearly as a person, 719 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,143 it must be challenging to play with somebody like that 720 00:27:47,243 --> 00:27:49,612 who, you know, has a certain frame of mind 721 00:27:49,712 --> 00:27:50,913 for what they're doing. 722 00:27:51,013 --> 00:27:53,449 When you were playing with him as a teammate, 723 00:27:53,549 --> 00:27:55,385 did you have to, you know, 724 00:27:55,485 --> 00:27:57,253 situate yourself according to him? 725 00:27:57,353 --> 00:28:00,022 Or how did you manage Michael's ego, 726 00:28:00,123 --> 00:28:02,125 whilst also playing in a team with Michael? 727 00:28:02,225 --> 00:28:04,160 Well, it was an adjustment. 728 00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:07,397 You know, when I came into the NBA, 729 00:28:07,497 --> 00:28:09,632 and to the Chicago Bulls organization, 730 00:28:09,732 --> 00:28:10,967 Michael had been with the organization 731 00:28:11,067 --> 00:28:14,303 for three seasons, um, three losing seasons. 732 00:28:14,404 --> 00:28:18,941 So it was an adjustment for him to change his style of play 733 00:28:18,975 --> 00:28:23,579 and how he played the game, and it was, I guess, up to me 734 00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:26,416 to sort of pick up areas 735 00:28:26,516 --> 00:28:29,685 where I felt like that I could be a good fit 736 00:28:29,786 --> 00:28:33,389 for the team to, you know, get us in a position 737 00:28:33,489 --> 00:28:35,391 where we could be successful, 738 00:28:35,491 --> 00:28:38,494 but also opening up as a player 739 00:28:38,594 --> 00:28:40,296 where I could show my talent 740 00:28:40,396 --> 00:28:42,699 and my greatness on the court, as well. 741 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:46,335 You know, every page I turned to, I could see why 742 00:28:46,436 --> 00:28:47,904 this became a New York Times Best Seller 743 00:28:47,937 --> 00:28:50,673 because it's Scottie Pippen telling us, you know, his truth. 744 00:28:50,773 --> 00:28:53,576 It's, you know, one of the greatest NBA players 745 00:28:53,676 --> 00:28:55,945 delving into, you know, the inner workings 746 00:28:56,045 --> 00:28:58,548 of one of the greatest periods in basketball. 747 00:28:58,648 --> 00:29:01,150 And there's a part that I... that really stuck with me. 748 00:29:01,250 --> 00:29:04,287 It's when you wrote your own tombstone, 749 00:29:04,387 --> 00:29:05,621 which is really funny. 750 00:29:05,722 --> 00:29:06,723 I mean, it seems morbid, but it's really funny, 751 00:29:06,823 --> 00:29:08,725 where you write, you know, 752 00:29:08,825 --> 00:29:11,160 "I'm almost convinced that literally to my grave 753 00:29:11,260 --> 00:29:12,562 "this will be my tombstone. 754 00:29:12,662 --> 00:29:15,598 "'Scottie Maurice Pippin, beloved husband and father, 755 00:29:15,698 --> 00:29:18,401 "'1965 to...'" You know? And then, it's, 756 00:29:18,501 --> 00:29:20,303 "'Seven-time NBA All-Star, 757 00:29:20,403 --> 00:29:21,771 six-time NBA champion.'" 758 00:29:21,938 --> 00:29:23,172 And below that, it says, 759 00:29:23,272 --> 00:29:24,841 "'Sat out the final 1.8 seconds of a play-off game 760 00:29:24,941 --> 00:29:26,843 between the Chicago Bulls and the New York Knicks.'" 761 00:29:26,943 --> 00:29:29,445 And I was interested in that. 762 00:29:29,545 --> 00:29:31,614 Like, you know, obviously, that's something 763 00:29:31,714 --> 00:29:34,617 that people have talked about, but I wonder why you think 764 00:29:34,717 --> 00:29:37,153 that would be something that would always follow your legacy. 765 00:29:37,253 --> 00:29:40,890 Why do you think that moment was so big, not just for you, 766 00:29:40,957 --> 00:29:42,959 but for how people saw it from the outside? 767 00:29:43,059 --> 00:29:46,362 Well, I think for what people saw from the outside, 768 00:29:46,462 --> 00:29:49,599 they had never saw a player really stand up 769 00:29:49,699 --> 00:29:54,137 for himself, uh, against a coach in that type of situation. 770 00:29:54,237 --> 00:29:58,074 And I think I was that player to sort of break that ice. 771 00:29:58,174 --> 00:30:01,944 And it was a moment in time for me 772 00:30:02,045 --> 00:30:05,715 because I have been challenged my whole life. 773 00:30:05,815 --> 00:30:09,485 Uh, and I had been playing under the wings of Michael Jordan 774 00:30:09,585 --> 00:30:13,356 -for, I guess at that time, six years, -Mm-hmm. 775 00:30:13,456 --> 00:30:16,325 three championships, so I felt like it was time 776 00:30:16,426 --> 00:30:20,396 for me to break out and to let them know that, 777 00:30:20,496 --> 00:30:22,665 hey, I came here to be a star player. 778 00:30:22,765 --> 00:30:26,035 I didn't come here to be a second fiddler to anyone. 779 00:30:26,135 --> 00:30:29,305 And I think I needed to make that stance. 780 00:30:29,405 --> 00:30:32,542 And just so happened it was a, you know, 781 00:30:32,642 --> 00:30:35,078 a game that I felt like, uh, 782 00:30:35,178 --> 00:30:39,182 you know, it was that moment where I needed to speak out. 783 00:30:39,282 --> 00:30:40,750 Well, you know what, 784 00:30:40,883 --> 00:30:42,752 there's a reason you're a Hall of Famer. 785 00:30:42,885 --> 00:30:44,787 There's a reason you have your six rings. 786 00:30:44,887 --> 00:30:46,622 There's a reason you're a New York Times bestseller. 787 00:30:46,723 --> 00:30:49,792 And in my heart, because of NBA Jam, there's a reason 788 00:30:49,892 --> 00:30:51,527 you're still the best video game character of all time. 789 00:30:51,627 --> 00:30:54,130 That move, I used to do that move with you the whole time, 790 00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:56,499 just to get the guy off the ball. 791 00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:57,900 (laughing) 792 00:30:57,934 --> 00:31:00,303 Scottie could rebound better than anyone in that game. 793 00:31:00,403 --> 00:31:02,939 Have you ever played yourself in that game, by the way? 794 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,942 No, I kind of missed my time for video games. 795 00:31:06,042 --> 00:31:07,410 You're missing out in life, Scottie. 796 00:31:07,510 --> 00:31:09,212 -Yeah. -Let me tell you something now, man. 797 00:31:09,312 --> 00:31:10,513 You did this thing with-- 798 00:31:10,613 --> 00:31:12,014 I didn't even know what basketball was. 799 00:31:12,115 --> 00:31:13,483 I just played video games. 800 00:31:13,583 --> 00:31:14,951 And then there was this move you would get. 801 00:31:15,051 --> 00:31:16,619 You would just, you would rebound, right? 802 00:31:16,719 --> 00:31:18,755 You'd jump up, Scottie could get it before everybody, 803 00:31:18,921 --> 00:31:20,356 and then as soon as I would land, 804 00:31:20,456 --> 00:31:21,724 I'd do this, I'd just do this, 805 00:31:21,824 --> 00:31:24,260 and then everyone would, like, fall around me, 806 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,095 and then I'd go to the other side and then I'd dunk. 807 00:31:26,195 --> 00:31:27,764 I was like: I don't know who Scottie Pippen... 808 00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:29,832 I literally knew you as a video game character. 809 00:31:29,932 --> 00:31:31,768 Like, in my world, there was, like, Ken and Ryu 810 00:31:31,934 --> 00:31:33,002 from Street Fighter, 811 00:31:33,102 --> 00:31:34,537 and Scottie Pippen from NBA Jam. 812 00:31:34,637 --> 00:31:36,305 And then someone was like: This is a real person 813 00:31:36,406 --> 00:31:37,874 in a real country. 814 00:31:37,907 --> 00:31:39,142 I was like: That's ridiculous. 815 00:31:39,242 --> 00:31:41,778 No one can jump that high and then fight people like this. 816 00:31:41,878 --> 00:31:43,746 But here he is. So thank you again, Scottie. 817 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,515 -I appreciate you, man. -That's amazing. 818 00:31:45,615 --> 00:31:47,984 Thank you, Trevor, forever, man. I appreciate it. 819 00:31:48,084 --> 00:31:50,319 All right, don't forget, people, Scottie's memoir, 820 00:31:50,420 --> 00:31:52,288 Unguarded, is available right now. 821 00:31:52,388 --> 00:31:53,756 You're definitely gonna want to read it. 822 00:31:53,890 --> 00:31:55,124 We're gonna take a quick break, 823 00:31:55,224 --> 00:31:57,293 but we'll be right back after this. 824 00:32:00,596 --> 00:32:02,064 Well, that's our show for tonight, but before we go, 825 00:32:02,165 --> 00:32:04,033 please consider supporting Choose Love. 826 00:32:04,133 --> 00:32:06,202 They work to provide refugees and displaced people 827 00:32:06,302 --> 00:32:08,571 with everything from lifesaving search-and-rescue boats 828 00:32:08,671 --> 00:32:10,973 to food and legal advice. 829 00:32:11,073 --> 00:32:13,543 At the link below, you can go to the Choose Love store 830 00:32:13,643 --> 00:32:16,179 and buy essential emergency items and services 831 00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:18,247 for the refugees who need them. 832 00:32:18,347 --> 00:32:20,917 Diapers, hot meals, medical services and so much more. 833 00:32:21,017 --> 00:32:22,819 So if you would like to support Choose Love, 834 00:32:22,919 --> 00:32:24,921 then please check out the link below. 835 00:32:25,021 --> 00:32:27,356 Now, here it is, Your Moment of Zen. 836 00:32:27,456 --> 00:32:29,992 ♪ ♪ 837 00:32:30,092 --> 00:32:32,662 KENNEDY: We have elected officials in this country 838 00:32:32,762 --> 00:32:37,900 who have used the pandemic as a pretext 839 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,371 to exercise their power gratuitously. 840 00:32:42,472 --> 00:32:45,641 I mean, they... they will shut down everything 841 00:32:45,741 --> 00:32:47,810 at the slightest excuse. 842 00:32:47,910 --> 00:32:51,781 And they don't care if you end up homeless 843 00:32:51,881 --> 00:32:54,550 on the beach eating seaweed.