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Does anybody here
celebrate Spotify?
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-MAN: Yeah. -Yeah?
Is it, like, pretty pop...
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-Yeah, you love music.
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Did you get your, um...
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like, your year...
year list thing that they do
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where they wrap up
your-your yearly...
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'Cause they send that to you,
and they go like,
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"This is the music
you listened to this year."
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Like, first of all, why
do they say "congratulations"
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like you achieved something?
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"Congratulations, Trevor.
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You listened
to 40 hours of music this year."
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Like I had a choice.
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Like, I'm like, "Yeah,
it was either listening to music
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or listening to
my 60-year-old neighbors smash."
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Like, that was my choice,
basically.
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Of course
I was gonna listen to the music.
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And them at the same time.
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I wanted the music. You know?
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It's also, like, a weird thing
to, like, wrap up all my...
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Have you ever been disappointed
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when you see
what your wrap-up is?
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'Cause everyone thinks they're a
lot cooler than they are, right?
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With their Spotify.
Everyone's like, "Oh, shit.
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"My wrap-up's coming.
I got this Kendrick.
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"I got a little bit
of this underground.
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Yeah, I got this.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm."
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We should have wrap-ups
of, like, our lives as people.
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Just, like,
a wrap-up of everything.
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Everyone you hung out with,
everything you did,
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just to realize, like,
what a loser you actually were.
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-(laughter) -'Cause we all think
we're a lot cooler than we are.
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And then when you look
at the wrap-up of your year,
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you'll think
it was all the highlights,
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and then you realize
all the cool shit you did
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was, like, moments.
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Really,
most of your life was you,
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like, scrolling Instagram
on the couch
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and then scrolling Instagram
on the toilet
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and then going back to the couch
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and realizing that you left
your phone in the toilet.
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ANNOUNCER: Coming to you
from the heart of Times Square
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in New York City,
the only city in America,
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it's The Daily Show.
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Tonight, Roe v. Wade aborted?
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Ryan Busse
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and Scottie Pippen.
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This is
The Daily Show with Trevor Noah.
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Hey! What's going on, everybody?
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Welcome to The Daily Show.
I'm Trevor Noah.
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We got a lot to talk about,
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so let's jump straight
into the news.
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Our first story
is about abortion.
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What? No.
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No, no, no. No, no.
Guys, I'm not...
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No, I'm not starting the show
with the abortion...
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What do you mean, I have to?
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It's... But it's my show.
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I-I can choose what I want
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Yeah,
I'm not gonna start it on that.
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Yeah, and you can tell
the Supreme Court
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that I said it. You tell them!
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All right, we're gonna get to
the story of the Supreme Court,
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but first, let's warm up
with a more fun story.
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Yeah. For years,
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one of cable news's
biggest stars
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has been Chris Cuomo.
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Right? CNN anchor
and human protein shake.
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But now Cuomo's network
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has decided
that they've had enough
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of his extracurricular
activities.
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NEWSMAN: CNN has suspended
anchor Chris Cuomo indefinitely.
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It comes after records showed
Cuomo took an active role
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in helping his brother,
the former governor of New York,
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respond
to sexual harassment charges.
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NEWSWOMAN: Text messages
and interview transcripts
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released this week
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by the New York
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showing Chris Cuomo
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for a press conference,
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assisted
in drafting public statements
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and even shared a lead
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on a woman
accusing the former governor
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of inappropriate behavior
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NEWSWOMAN 2:
The documents also reveal
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Chris Cuomo offered to use
his media sources
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to find out if more women
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In March, a top aide
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texted Chris Cuomo, "Rumor
going around from Politico
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"one to two more people
coming out tomorrow.
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Can you check your sources?"
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Four minutes later,
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Whew.
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Okay, look, look, look,
on the one hand,
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this is a story about a guy
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in a time of crisis.
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And, I mean, who wouldn't
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'Cause you got to remember,
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of male relationship.
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Yeah, it goes brother,
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my dude, homie,
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this guy, then stepdad.
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And don't forget--
this is ingrained. Right?
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Siblings learn to cover for each
other from a really young age.
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Like, your brother tries
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he breaks the cookie jar,
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you tell your mom
the jar fell by itself
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and then your brother shares
the cookies with you.
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That's how it works.
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Although,
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Isaac never did share
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Mom! Isaac broke the jar!
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I changed my mind!
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Of course, it does matter,
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and it does make a difference
how you help your brother
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and what you're helping him
with.
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Like, if your brother
murdered somebody,
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you can either help him get
the best lawyer in the country
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or you can help him
bury the body.
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I mean,
both make you a good brother,
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but one makes you an accessory
after the fact.
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That's a choice
that you're making.
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And the big problem
is that Chris used his influence
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as a CNN journalist
to help dig up info
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on Andrew's accusers.
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And, people,
that's not what CNN is about.
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CNN is about sitting
12 people together at a desk
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and having them yell
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about whether
Adele's Las Vegas residency
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is gonna hurt
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-That is CNN.
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Anyway, enough about CNN.
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Let's talk about COVID,
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the disease
that's been around for so long
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that it's now at high risk
of catching COVID.
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Since first being discovered
in South Africa,
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we've now learned that Omicron
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has been in countries
around the globe.
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And, today, they confirmed
the first known case
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in the United States.
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Yeah. I mean, damn.
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Omicron got here quickly,
you know?
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Say what you want
about Joe Biden,
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but he got
that supply chain moving.
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Am I right, guys?
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So, yes, apparently, they found
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in California,
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which is just so typical.
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You know?
Omicron gets a little buzz
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and immediately wants to try
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"Oh, I'm special."
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But aside from learning
about COVID's newest variant,
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now we're also learning more
about its most famous supporter,
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Donald J. Trump.
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Do you remember how, last year,
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a month before the election,
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he suddenly came down
with coronavirus? Yeah?
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(chuckles)
It was hilarious.
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I mean, it was very scary.
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We were all so scared.
So scared.
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Well, now we're finding out
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that Trump was basically
a one-man superspreader.
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We do begin with breaking news.
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Donald Trump tested positive
for coronavirus
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three days before his first
debate against Joe Biden
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on September 29, 2020.
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This stunning revelation
is in a new book
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by former White House
Chief of Staff Mark Meadows
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that was obtained
by The Guardian.
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A positive test
the country never knew about.
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Here is the timeline
as we know it:
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on Saturday,
September 26 of 2020,
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Trump hosted
the Rose Garden event
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for Supreme Court
Justice Amy Coney Barrett.
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NEWSWOMAN:
And then, later that evening,
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he made his way
to a rally in Pennsylvania.
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As Marine One is lifting off
for that event,
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the White House doctor calls
and says to stop him
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because his COVID test
came back positive.
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According to Meadows,
he was then tested again.
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That test came back negative,
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so they moved on
as though nothing had happened.
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On Tuesday,
the day of the debate,
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Meadows says Trump was
moving more slowly than usual,
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but "Nothing was going to stop
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SCIUTTO: Of course,
two days after that,
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Trump tested positive again,
alerts the world by tweet.
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Later spend three nights in
a hospital, getting treatment.
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Yeah, people. Donald Trump got
a positive COVID test,
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then retested
and got a negative test,
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and then just went about his
life without telling anybody.
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Which, I mean, on the one hand,
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was incredibly irresponsible
and dangerous,
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but on the other hand,
it was very relatable.
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I mean, that's why
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If one doctor tells you
that you're very ill,
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and you don't have much longer,
but another doctor says,
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"Looking good, my man.
You should go to Miami,"
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I mean, you're going
to roll with that doctor.
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But what was especially
irresponsible about this
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is that he hid,
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he completely hid
his positive test
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right before he went on stage
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and screamed at 98-year-old
Joe Biden for two hours.
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I'm not saying that Trump was
trying to assassinate Joe Biden,
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but he definitely wasn't going
out of his way to avoid it.
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If this is God's plan
for Joe Biden,
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what can I do to stop it,
except maybe wear a mask?
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Which I won't do because
it's totally gay. So gay.
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And looking back on it,
we should have been able to tell
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that Trump had coronavirus
at the debate.
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I mean,
just look at the footage.
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Look, I mean,
I have a mask right here.
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I put a mask on, you know,
when I think I need it.
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Are you in favor
of law and order?
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Following a little bit of order.
Yes, I'm in favor.
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-Mr. President, no.
-Can I be honest?
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-It's a very important question.
-Try to be honest.
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When they run through
the middle of the town...
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-President-President Trump?
-...and burn down your stores
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and kill people
all over the place?
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President Trump, I...
President Trump?
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(applause)
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CHRIS WALLACE:
Thank you.
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I'm not sure
how we missed it back then. Huh.
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All right, but let's move on
from Trump to the Supreme Court.
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The Supreme Court that he
created in his image, in fact.
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Abortion has been
a constitutional right
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in the United States ever since
the Supreme Court decided
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Roe v. Wade
nearly half a century ago.
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But based on what happened
at the Supreme Court today,
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it seems like it won't be
a right for much longer.
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A Fox News alert.
Oral arguments
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in a landmark abortion
case wrapping up
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at the Supreme Court
after nearly two hours.
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The hearing setting up
a decision by this high court,
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now with a six to three
conservative majority,
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that could change abortion
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NEWSWOMAN:
Hundreds of protesters
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from both sides of the issue
gathered outside
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of the Supreme Court.
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NEWSMAN 2:
The stakes could not be higher.
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Roe v. Wade is on the line
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as the justices consider
a law from Mississippi
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that would ban
almost all abortions
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after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
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NEWSWOMAN 2: After today's
arguments over abortion,
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it appears abortion rights
in America,
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as they stand right now,
are in grave danger.
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After two hours of questioning,
the general consensus
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among legal experts is that
there are at least five votes
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to uphold Mississippi's ban
on abortion
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after 15 weeks of pregnancy,
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and possibly as many votes
to overturn a federal right
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to an abortion altogether.
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Ooh, boy,
based on the oral arguments
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in the Supreme Court today,
it looks very likely
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that Roe v. Wade
will soon be overturned.
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And you know, when you think
about it, it is wild.
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It's wild for the United States
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to take such a step backwards
in women's rights.
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It's almost like the U.S.
invaded Afghanistan
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to defeat the Taliban, and then
came back to the U.S. like,
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"Actually, those guys
have some pretty good ideas."
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And now, the truth is,
the truth is
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that this is the culmination
of a 50-year plan
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for the conservative movement
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to reshape the courts
for this very purpose.
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And say what you want about it,
but you've got to admit, man,
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the conservative movement
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is just that dedicated
to protecting life.
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I mean, not protecting life from
coronavirus or school shootings
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or from a lack of healthcare
or climate change
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or poverty or homelessness or...
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And I know, I know, I know there
are guys out there right now
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who are saying,
"Well, you know what?
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Tough luck, ladies,
but this doesn't affect me."
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Well, first of all, you're gonna
see it affect your bank account
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when you're paying child support
for 18 years.
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And secondly, you guys clearly
don't see what's happening here.
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Yeah, because first,
first they said a baby
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is only a baby
when it comes out of the vagina.
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Then they said it's a baby
when it's viable
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outside of the womb, right?
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Now you've got people arguing
that if there's
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any electrical signal,
it counts as a heartbeat.
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You realize
what's coming up next, right?
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At some point
they're gonna be like:
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Okay, we decided
that sperm is babies,
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so you can't jack off anymore.
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Be like: What?
But what if I have a wet dream?
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Then your ass is going to jail!
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Yeah, now you're in your dreams
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trying to get
your high school teacher
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to put her shirt back on.
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No, Mrs. Patterson,
please, please,
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I can't do hard time.
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Please get dressed.
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I'm kidding, of course.
I'm kidding.
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Obviously
nobody's ever going to regulate
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what men can do
with their bodies.
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Calm down, everybody.
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Now, look,
we don't know for sure
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what the ruling will be yet,
and we won't find out
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until next year,
but you can tell a lot
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about where the justices stand
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based on what kind of arguments
they made.
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For example, Justice
Brett Kavanaugh, Trump appointee
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and guy at the bar who insists
he's totally fine to drive,
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well, he emphasized the view
that overturning
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the right to abortion
would actually be
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the neutral position,
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because it is neither
pro-life nor pro-choice,
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but simply leaves the issue
up to the states.
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And I have to admit, guys,
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that argument actually makes
a lot of sense.
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Like, why should there be
one abortion law
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for the entire country?
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I mean, people in Alabama
and people in California
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have very different views
on this,
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so maybe it should be different
in different states.
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Although,
when you think about it,
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there are also differences in
different parts of each state.
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So, really, the law
should be, like, by county.
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You know what I mean?
That would be better.
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They should say, like,
red counties
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in a blue state
can ban abortion,
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but blue counties in a red state
can allow abortion.
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I mean, that seems fair, right?
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Yeah, it's up to the states
but make it up to the county.
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Well, except, actually,
sometimes you have
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urban and rural areas
sharing a county,
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so maybe it should be at the
level of the city or the town.
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Yeah. No, wait.
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what if each house--
oh, yes, each house!
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Each house could have
its own rule.
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Yeah, this makes sense, right?
Because the neighbors,
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they don't always agree
with each other.
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Like, in the house, you...
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Within the house,
people have different opinions.
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You know what, what if
each person made their own rule?
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Like, each person
could decide for themselves
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what they could do with their...
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Oh, shit, people,
I figured it out.
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Yo, get me a taxi
to the Supreme Court!
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You know what,
get me a taxi to the bar
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next to the Supreme Court.
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I want to tell
Justice Kavanaugh something.
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Yeah. Man, this is amazing.
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All right, all right,
I got to go to D.C.,
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but when we come back,
I'll be talking
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to a former gun manufacturer
about what he regrets.
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And then Scottie Pippen
will be joining me on the show.
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You don't want to miss it.
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Yeah, tell the taxi to wait!
I'm gonna get my robe.
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Welcome back to The Daily Show.
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My first guest is Ryan Busse.
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He's a former firearms executive
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who blows the whistle
on the gun industry
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in his new book, Gunfight.
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Ryan Busse, welcome to the show.
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-Thanks so much, Trevor.
Fantastic to be here. -Uh...
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You know, you've written a book
that I think threads the needle
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in a very complicated
conversation
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that America is having,
and that conversation
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is, "What are guns?
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"What do guns mean to America?
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"And is there anything
that can be done
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to try and reduce gun violence
in the country?"
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And-and just so people have
an understanding of who you are,
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I mean, you're like
the poster child for the NRA.
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I mean, you-you were gifted
shotguns as a kid, right?
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You were an avid hunter.
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You-you were an avid defender--
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you still are--
of the Second Amendment.
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Uh, you worked as a...
you know, for a gun manufacturer
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for 25 years.
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And yet you say that there is
a lot that is wrong
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with the gun industry.
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Let's talk about that.
What changed in your life?
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What-what was the moment
where you thought,
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"This is not going
the way it should"?
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I think there's a few things
that changed.
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Uh, more than anything,
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I think the gun industry
and the NRA
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changed around all of us.
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And I think democracy...
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You know, there's a lot
of freedoms in America
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which are beautiful.
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Um, the right to self-defense
and to own guns
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and to do things
that I love to do with my boys
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and to shoot and to hunt
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and-and all of those things
is fantastic.
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But if it's not balanced
with responsibility,
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it's gonna run out of control.
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And I started to see things
in the firearms industry
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and in my life and in my career
where responsibility
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was not being inserted
into the discussion anymore
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and-and just runaway rights
were-were taking over.
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And-and in the early 1990s
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and in the 2000s
when I got into the industry,
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it-it was a much different place
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where responsibility and decency
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were still inserted
into the argument.
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And they're no longer there
anymore.
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Um, it's a very frightening...
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It's a very frightening place
we live in now.
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I-It's interesting you say that
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because, you know,
when I was reading the book,
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there were so many things
I-I didn't know
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about the journey of the NRA.
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I didn't know about the journey
of guns in America.
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You know, I-I've read about it,
but as somebody...
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As an insider,
you-you really give an insight
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into a world that I think a lot
of people don't know much about.
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You know, for instance,
I didn't realize
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that at some point, the NRA
essentially became more powerful
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than the manufacturers
of guns themselves.
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You talk about a moment
where Smith & Wesson
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decided to stand up
and say, "Actually,
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maybe we could do more
for gun safety."
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And the NRA led a boycott
against them.
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Yeah, I think
it's-it's important to note,
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I often hear on reports
and NPR, uh, segments
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where people say,
"Well, the-the NRA
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is just a tool
of the firearms manufacturers."
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I found that to be
exactly the opposite.
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The NRA ran the show.
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They still ran the show.
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They set the narrative.
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Everything that they stated,
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every-every tactic
that they laid down,
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everybody said,
"Yes, sir, can I have another?"
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Um, my experience is there's
no separation between the NRA
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and the firearms industry,
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because there's
an intertwined sort of symbiosis
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between what drives success
for the NRA,
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which is fear,
conspiracy theory,
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hatred of the other,
acceptance of racism.
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Those things drive
electoral outcomes,
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-and the NRA stumbled on to that
15 or 18 years ago. -Hmm.
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Those are exactly the same
things that drive firearm sales.
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And so there's
a-a very unhealthy symbiosis
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between those two entities.
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Yeah, you know,
o-one of the parts of the book
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that really stuck with me
was when you were talking
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about yourself as a gun owner
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and you're talking
about your sons and your family
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and you said something
really interesting that I think
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a lot of people don't actually
think about and you said,
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"We don't identify with guns.
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"We like using them.
We like hunting with them.
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-"We like shooting with them.
-Yeah.
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But we don't identify ourselves
with the firearms."
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What did that mean
and why is that important?
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Well, I think...
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There's a couple different types
of flags that we saw
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on January 6.
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We saw Trump and American flags,
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and then we saw--
the other type of flag we saw
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-were "Come and take it"
AR-15 flags. -Mm-hmm.
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Political radicals,
right-wing political radicals
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in this country now are driven,
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are-are owned...
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They use guns as the central
symbol of their identity.
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It's a dangerous thing.
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This is authoritarianism,
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you know,
at its formative stages.
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There are millions
of responsible gun owners
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in this country who love
to shoot with their kids
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-and hunt and do all the things
that I love to do. -Right.
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And believe in the right
to self-defense.
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But this-- but this idea
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that guns are somehow the symbol
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of some right-wing
political movement,
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that-that's dangerous
1936 Germany stuff.
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And it-it's frightening.
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So do you think
there's a world then
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where America can find
a balance between owning guns
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and still living
in a safer society?
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And I-I ask this question
because, I mean,
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here on the show, you know,
we've done a piece
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on Switzerland
and how Switzerland, I think,
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has more guns per capita
than the U.S.
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and yet has lower gun deaths
than the U.S.
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You know, because the Swiss say
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they teach people
to respect the weapons.
492
00:18:34,782 --> 00:18:37,551
They teach people, you know,
how to hold the weapons,
493
00:18:37,651 --> 00:18:38,752
play with the weapons,
494
00:18:38,852 --> 00:18:40,053
use the weapons
in the right environments.
495
00:18:40,154 --> 00:18:42,289
Even kids are taught how
to shoot in some of the schools.
496
00:18:42,389 --> 00:18:43,857
-Yeah. -You know? And-and
it feels like there's a culture
497
00:18:43,957 --> 00:18:45,192
around the gun.
498
00:18:45,292 --> 00:18:47,361
But what I found interesting
again in the book is,
499
00:18:47,461 --> 00:18:48,996
you talk about how that culture
used to exist.
500
00:18:49,096 --> 00:18:51,098
And then it started
getting mocked.
501
00:18:51,198 --> 00:18:52,666
Like, you talk about the Fudds,
as they call them,
502
00:18:52,766 --> 00:18:55,102
-the Elmer Fudds
with the gun safety guys. -Yeah.
503
00:18:55,202 --> 00:18:57,905
Like, it seems like it's not
cool to be safe with guns
504
00:18:58,005 --> 00:19:00,140
now in the world
of gun ownership.
505
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,110
Well, that sort
of responsible activity
506
00:19:03,210 --> 00:19:05,012
slows down the desired outcome.
507
00:19:05,112 --> 00:19:07,614
It's not cool to be responsible
in our politics anymore.
508
00:19:07,681 --> 00:19:10,617
If you haven't noticed,
all of these social norms
509
00:19:10,651 --> 00:19:13,821
that once existed, where you
didn't say certain things,
510
00:19:13,921 --> 00:19:17,624
you didn't tweet death threats
to former...
511
00:19:17,658 --> 00:19:18,992
-to members of Congress...
-Right.
512
00:19:19,093 --> 00:19:21,628
-...these norms were not broken.
-Mm-hmm.
513
00:19:21,729 --> 00:19:22,763
That's...
The same thing happened
514
00:19:22,863 --> 00:19:24,932
in the firearms industry
15, 18 years ago.
515
00:19:25,032 --> 00:19:28,769
These norms of self-control,
responsibility, decency...
516
00:19:28,869 --> 00:19:32,940
And to your point about, like,
what is the way out of this?
517
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,875
Well, America is a democracy
518
00:19:34,975 --> 00:19:37,945
that operates
in the gray spaces.
519
00:19:38,045 --> 00:19:40,481
It's a beautiful thing,
but it only exists
520
00:19:40,647 --> 00:19:43,050
because of norms
and imposed self-responsibility.
521
00:19:43,150 --> 00:19:45,586
And gun owners, for a long time,
were a poster child,
522
00:19:45,686 --> 00:19:47,087
for that sort
of responsibility. The fire...
523
00:19:47,187 --> 00:19:48,622
I tell stories in the book
524
00:19:48,722 --> 00:19:50,791
about how the firearms industry
15 or 18 years ago
525
00:19:50,891 --> 00:19:53,594
would not allow tactical
anything to be displayed
526
00:19:53,627 --> 00:19:55,095
in its own trade show.
527
00:19:55,195 --> 00:19:56,964
Gloves, tactical vests,
528
00:19:57,064 --> 00:19:59,333
-AR-15s, high-cap magazines.
-Interesting.
529
00:19:59,433 --> 00:20:00,968
Those were not displayed
in its own trade show.
530
00:20:01,068 --> 00:20:02,736
-And now...
-And why was that?
531
00:20:02,836 --> 00:20:04,671
Because it imposed--
the firearms industry--
532
00:20:04,772 --> 00:20:07,608
imposed these rules
upon itself, upon ourselves.
533
00:20:07,641 --> 00:20:10,344
We knew
that this was a bad thing
534
00:20:10,444 --> 00:20:12,112
to infiltrate society with...
535
00:20:12,212 --> 00:20:15,382
So, sort of like a fringe idea
of what owning a gun was about.
536
00:20:15,482 --> 00:20:17,851
-And we knew that that was
a dangerous thing. -Right.
537
00:20:17,951 --> 00:20:20,654
That meant that we accepted
a certain level of sales,
538
00:20:20,754 --> 00:20:22,956
and that we wouldn't
infiltrate guns,
539
00:20:23,056 --> 00:20:27,127
proliferated guns and lack
of decency throughout society.
540
00:20:27,227 --> 00:20:29,963
But you have to accept
that sort of self-restraint.
541
00:20:30,064 --> 00:20:32,232
That sort of self-restraint is
now gone.
542
00:20:32,332 --> 00:20:33,534
And the same exact thing
is happening
543
00:20:33,634 --> 00:20:34,968
in our politics, right?
544
00:20:35,069 --> 00:20:38,172
Like, the sorts of things
that we once knew not to say,
545
00:20:38,272 --> 00:20:39,640
-not to do...
-Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
546
00:20:39,706 --> 00:20:41,675
not to call your relative,
not to call your coworker,
547
00:20:41,775 --> 00:20:44,878
not to say in polite society,
that's all gone.
548
00:20:44,978 --> 00:20:47,214
The NRA and the gun industry
perfected that.
549
00:20:47,314 --> 00:20:49,216
When we talk about some of the
policies, what do you look at?
550
00:20:49,316 --> 00:20:50,951
I know one of the proposals
right now
551
00:20:51,051 --> 00:20:53,587
that seems to have support
from the right and the left
552
00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:57,024
is people saying, "Hey,
let's go after those dealers
553
00:20:57,124 --> 00:20:58,659
"who are selling guns to people,
554
00:20:58,759 --> 00:21:00,394
"and they know that it's going
straight to the black market.
555
00:21:00,494 --> 00:21:02,029
Let's go after those dealers."
556
00:21:02,129 --> 00:21:03,831
Are you for legislation
like that?
557
00:21:03,931 --> 00:21:05,232
And what other policies
do you think
558
00:21:05,332 --> 00:21:06,633
America could actually implement
559
00:21:06,734 --> 00:21:10,404
where people would
see a change in gun violence?
560
00:21:10,504 --> 00:21:12,206
I'm in favor of two things
right now.
561
00:21:12,306 --> 00:21:14,875
One, we need to close
the gun show loophole.
562
00:21:14,975 --> 00:21:17,211
We've been trying to do this
since before Columbine.
563
00:21:17,311 --> 00:21:19,012
The kids in Columbine used guns
564
00:21:19,113 --> 00:21:21,415
that were purchased
through the gun show loophole.
565
00:21:21,515 --> 00:21:23,851
20-something years later,
we still haven't closed it.
566
00:21:23,951 --> 00:21:25,519
It's a simple thing.
567
00:21:25,619 --> 00:21:27,654
It's unforgivable.
We should do it.
568
00:21:27,755 --> 00:21:30,124
It's not going to be perfect.
It's gonna fix some things.
569
00:21:30,224 --> 00:21:32,526
It's gonna mitigate some things.
That needs to be done.
570
00:21:32,626 --> 00:21:36,130
Secondarily, I'm worried about
the larger societal impacts
571
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:39,266
and the graph
of where gun radicalization
572
00:21:39,366 --> 00:21:42,870
and right-wing radicalization
is taking our country.
573
00:21:42,970 --> 00:21:46,573
I don't think Kyle Rittenhouse
was an aberration.
574
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,675
I think he's a warning
of what's to come.
575
00:21:48,776 --> 00:21:52,045
We need to outlaw, as a country,
state by state,
576
00:21:52,146 --> 00:21:54,782
county by county,
or hopefully as a nation,
577
00:21:54,882 --> 00:21:57,151
open armed intimidation.
578
00:21:57,251 --> 00:22:00,053
You can't have
open civil society,
579
00:22:00,154 --> 00:22:02,589
you can't have democracy,
when one party
580
00:22:02,689 --> 00:22:05,659
is standing over the other
with a loaded AR-15.
581
00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:07,194
That's not civil.
582
00:22:07,294 --> 00:22:09,863
So I believe two things
would help now.
583
00:22:09,963 --> 00:22:12,599
-Close the gun show loophole,
-Mm-hmm.
584
00:22:12,666 --> 00:22:16,970
and legislation to outlaw armed
intimidation and open carry.
585
00:22:17,071 --> 00:22:19,106
Well, you've written
a really compelling book.
586
00:22:19,206 --> 00:22:21,108
I know there will be people
who will be for it,
587
00:22:21,208 --> 00:22:22,376
people who will be against it,
588
00:22:22,476 --> 00:22:23,744
but that's
what arguments are for.
589
00:22:23,844 --> 00:22:25,212
Thank you so much
for joining me on the show.
590
00:22:25,312 --> 00:22:26,980
-Thanks, Trevor. Yep.
-Appreciate having you here.
591
00:22:27,081 --> 00:22:29,917
All right, Gunfight is available
wherever books are sold.
592
00:22:30,017 --> 00:22:32,352
When we come back,
the NBA legend Scottie Pippen
593
00:22:32,453 --> 00:22:35,355
will be joining me right here.
Stay tuned.
594
00:22:36,833 --> 00:22:38,167
Welcome back to The Daily Show.
595
00:22:38,267 --> 00:22:39,869
My next guest
is NBA Hall of Famer
596
00:22:39,969 --> 00:22:42,171
and six-time NBA champion
597
00:22:42,271 --> 00:22:44,607
and two-time
Olympic gold medalist
598
00:22:44,707 --> 00:22:46,109
Scottie Pippen.
599
00:22:46,209 --> 00:22:49,011
He's here to talk about
his brand-new memoir, Unguarded.
600
00:22:49,112 --> 00:22:52,281
Scottie Pippen,
welcome to The Daily Show.
601
00:22:52,382 --> 00:22:54,851
Thank you. It's a pleasure.
Thanks for having me.
602
00:22:54,951 --> 00:22:56,986
-Um... -It's a pleasure
to be on your show.
603
00:22:57,086 --> 00:22:58,388
Hey, it can't be a pleasure.
604
00:22:58,488 --> 00:22:59,589
Let me tell you
what a pleasure is.
605
00:22:59,689 --> 00:23:01,090
A pleasure is me talking
606
00:23:01,190 --> 00:23:03,726
to one of my favorite
basketball players of all time.
607
00:23:03,826 --> 00:23:05,495
I'm someone
who didn't even know basketball,
608
00:23:05,595 --> 00:23:08,798
but all I knew was
the number one player
609
00:23:08,898 --> 00:23:11,401
to play with on NBA Jam
was Scottie Pippen.
610
00:23:11,501 --> 00:23:13,936
I had two favorite players
in the NBA Jam game.
611
00:23:14,037 --> 00:23:15,705
It was Scottie Pippen
and it was Muggsy Bogues.
612
00:23:15,805 --> 00:23:17,807
-Wow. -And if I wanted to win,
I went with Scottie Pippen.
613
00:23:17,907 --> 00:23:19,742
If I wanted to play, like,
the cheat codes,
614
00:23:19,842 --> 00:23:21,010
I'd play with Muggsy Bogues.
615
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:23,179
Um, so, thank you
for being on the show,
616
00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:25,782
-um, and thank you for writing
the book, man. -It's a pleasure.
617
00:23:25,882 --> 00:23:27,583
It's-it's been
a really amazing journey
618
00:23:27,683 --> 00:23:29,218
getting to know who you are
as a human being.
619
00:23:29,318 --> 00:23:31,454
I think let's start with
the life side of Scottie Pippen.
620
00:23:31,554 --> 00:23:33,056
I think everyone starts
with the basketball,
621
00:23:33,156 --> 00:23:34,724
but what I really
found interesting about you
622
00:23:34,824 --> 00:23:36,759
was starting with-with
the life that you lived.
623
00:23:36,926 --> 00:23:40,596
You had to really get over
so many hurdles in life.
624
00:23:40,696 --> 00:23:42,098
You know,
you come from a big family.
625
00:23:42,198 --> 00:23:44,667
You come from a family that went
through a lot of struggles.
626
00:23:44,767 --> 00:23:46,069
You know,
you talk about your brother
627
00:23:46,169 --> 00:23:48,404
and him being paralyzed
at a young age.
628
00:23:48,504 --> 00:23:50,807
You talk about your dad
suffering a similar fate
629
00:23:50,940 --> 00:23:52,475
but from
a very different standpoint.
630
00:23:52,575 --> 00:23:56,145
When you look at that journey
that Scottie Pippen had,
631
00:23:56,245 --> 00:23:58,481
you know, you had
to make decisions in life,
632
00:23:58,581 --> 00:24:00,349
and you had to become
a really resilient person.
633
00:24:00,450 --> 00:24:02,251
What do you think it was
that gave you the fortitude
634
00:24:02,351 --> 00:24:03,953
to get through the things
that you got through
635
00:24:04,053 --> 00:24:05,455
to get to where you got to?
636
00:24:05,555 --> 00:24:07,023
I would say it was my parents.
637
00:24:07,123 --> 00:24:10,993
Um, just kind of seeing
the life that they had taken on.
638
00:24:11,094 --> 00:24:12,528
And, you know,
639
00:24:12,628 --> 00:24:15,264
it wasn't something
that they were prepared for.
640
00:24:15,364 --> 00:24:19,669
And by any means
could we, uh, afford to have,
641
00:24:19,769 --> 00:24:23,339
you know, two disabled people
living in one household.
642
00:24:23,439 --> 00:24:26,142
But we were able
to pull through it,
643
00:24:26,242 --> 00:24:28,978
uh, through the struggles
and the ups and downs,
644
00:24:29,078 --> 00:24:30,380
and, you know, we...
645
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,715
we made the best of what we had.
646
00:24:32,815 --> 00:24:35,451
I found myself wondering
the whole time reading the book,
647
00:24:35,551 --> 00:24:37,920
did young Scottie Pippen know
648
00:24:38,020 --> 00:24:40,790
that he was going to be
one of the greatest
649
00:24:40,923 --> 00:24:42,225
every time he touched the ball?
650
00:24:42,325 --> 00:24:44,026
Or was young Scottie Pippen
just trying to get
651
00:24:44,127 --> 00:24:47,663
from one play to the next,
one moment to the next?
652
00:24:47,764 --> 00:24:51,734
I-I think I was taking it
day by day, step by step.
653
00:24:51,834 --> 00:24:55,705
Uh, I... Like any kid,
I was dreaming
654
00:24:55,805 --> 00:24:58,708
and wanting one day
to play in the NBA,
655
00:24:58,808 --> 00:25:01,077
but, you know,
along that journey,
656
00:25:01,177 --> 00:25:04,847
you got to reach
certain other steps, you know?
657
00:25:04,947 --> 00:25:06,949
Like playing college basketball.
658
00:25:06,983 --> 00:25:08,251
-Right, right.
-Getting my education.
659
00:25:08,351 --> 00:25:09,619
Things of that nature.
660
00:25:09,719 --> 00:25:13,222
So those things were important
to me, uh, along the way,
661
00:25:13,322 --> 00:25:14,624
but, ultimately, uh,
662
00:25:14,724 --> 00:25:17,593
I didn't know what type
of basketball player I would be,
663
00:25:17,693 --> 00:25:19,796
if I would be one
of the 50 greatest,
664
00:25:19,962 --> 00:25:21,531
if I'd just, you know,
665
00:25:21,631 --> 00:25:24,333
maybe get a trial
for an NBA team.
666
00:25:24,434 --> 00:25:26,202
You know,
you just hope for the best,
667
00:25:26,302 --> 00:25:28,671
and you-you work
as hard as you can
668
00:25:28,771 --> 00:25:31,541
to make sure
that you're prepared for it.
669
00:25:31,641 --> 00:25:34,210
Uh, you know,
it's a long journey, and...
670
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:38,047
I, you know-- I feel like
that I prepared myself for it.
671
00:25:38,147 --> 00:25:39,615
I feel like you've lived a life
672
00:25:39,716 --> 00:25:41,451
as one of the greatest
basketball players,
673
00:25:41,551 --> 00:25:43,286
and now you've become an author
674
00:25:43,386 --> 00:25:45,588
of one of the greatest books
that delves into the minds
675
00:25:45,688 --> 00:25:48,725
and the inner workings
of one of the greatest teams
676
00:25:48,825 --> 00:25:51,394
and-and sports legacies
of all time.
677
00:25:51,494 --> 00:25:52,562
Let's start with the beginning.
678
00:25:52,662 --> 00:25:54,030
I mean, that's where
the-the book starts.
679
00:25:54,130 --> 00:25:55,832
The prologue. If we-- if we jump
right to the beginning.
680
00:25:55,932 --> 00:25:57,100
In the prologue,
681
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,202
you talk about The Last Dance,
682
00:25:59,302 --> 00:26:02,205
you know, the-the documentary
that everyone was watching
683
00:26:02,305 --> 00:26:03,339
during the pandemic,
684
00:26:03,439 --> 00:26:05,541
the story that everybody
was talking about.
685
00:26:05,641 --> 00:26:07,477
And-and you talk about how,
686
00:26:07,577 --> 00:26:09,946
you know, you wanted
to speak your truth.
687
00:26:09,979 --> 00:26:12,048
You wanted to get your story
out there.
688
00:26:12,148 --> 00:26:14,650
When you were writing the book,
was this-- was this your way
689
00:26:14,751 --> 00:26:16,586
of feeling like you could answer
some of the questions
690
00:26:16,686 --> 00:26:18,454
that people asked
from the documentary
691
00:26:18,554 --> 00:26:21,357
and maybe didn't show
your side of the story?
692
00:26:21,457 --> 00:26:23,960
Well, I-I think I kind of, um,
693
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:28,131
you know, took myself away
from being in the public eye
694
00:26:28,231 --> 00:26:29,432
during the documentary.
695
00:26:29,532 --> 00:26:31,667
-Right. -Uh, I don't know
if people even recall,
696
00:26:31,768 --> 00:26:36,472
but I was working for ESPN
when the documentary came out
697
00:26:36,572 --> 00:26:38,474
and, uh, took a little hiatus,
698
00:26:38,574 --> 00:26:43,012
because I didn't want to have
to relive telling the story
699
00:26:43,112 --> 00:26:47,250
about, uh, what happened,
you know, 20 years ago.
700
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:49,919
So, uh, that was one thing.
701
00:26:49,952 --> 00:26:53,322
But I did feel like
that the documentary
702
00:26:53,423 --> 00:26:55,958
was not really about
the Last Dance,
703
00:26:56,059 --> 00:26:59,662
because I felt like
that it was, uh,
704
00:26:59,762 --> 00:27:01,831
a lot of footage that was taken
705
00:27:01,931 --> 00:27:04,500
that was gonna be
really, uh, praising
706
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,703
one of the greatest teams, um,
707
00:27:06,803 --> 00:27:10,640
that really ever been
put together in the NBA
708
00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:12,775
and really praise
a lot of the people
709
00:27:12,942 --> 00:27:14,677
that was a part
of that great team.
710
00:27:14,777 --> 00:27:19,415
And I felt like that the
documentary was solely, uh, uh,
711
00:27:19,515 --> 00:27:22,819
built and controlled, you know,
through Michael Jordan,
712
00:27:22,952 --> 00:27:25,588
and I didn't feel like it-it
really gave justice
713
00:27:25,688 --> 00:27:29,992
to a lot of the great players,
um, Coach.
714
00:27:30,093 --> 00:27:32,695
Just that we're a part
of that-that journey.
715
00:27:32,795 --> 00:27:35,898
Uh, it was truly something
that I felt, like,
716
00:27:35,998 --> 00:27:39,202
needed to be expressed
from a team standpoint.
717
00:27:39,302 --> 00:27:40,937
You know,
Michael Jordan is undoubtedly
718
00:27:41,037 --> 00:27:44,540
one of the greatest to ever
do it, but clearly as a person,
719
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,143
it must be challenging to play
with somebody like that
720
00:27:47,243 --> 00:27:49,612
who, you know,
has a certain frame of mind
721
00:27:49,712 --> 00:27:50,913
for what they're doing.
722
00:27:51,013 --> 00:27:53,449
When you were playing with him
as a teammate,
723
00:27:53,549 --> 00:27:55,385
did you have to, you know,
724
00:27:55,485 --> 00:27:57,253
situate yourself
according to him?
725
00:27:57,353 --> 00:28:00,022
Or how did you manage
Michael's ego,
726
00:28:00,123 --> 00:28:02,125
whilst also playing
in a team with Michael?
727
00:28:02,225 --> 00:28:04,160
Well, it was an adjustment.
728
00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:07,397
You know,
when I came into the NBA,
729
00:28:07,497 --> 00:28:09,632
and to the Chicago Bulls
organization,
730
00:28:09,732 --> 00:28:10,967
Michael had been
with the organization
731
00:28:11,067 --> 00:28:14,303
for three seasons,
um, three losing seasons.
732
00:28:14,404 --> 00:28:18,941
So it was an adjustment for him
to change his style of play
733
00:28:18,975 --> 00:28:23,579
and how he played the game,
and it was, I guess, up to me
734
00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:26,416
to sort of pick up areas
735
00:28:26,516 --> 00:28:29,685
where I felt like
that I could be a good fit
736
00:28:29,786 --> 00:28:33,389
for the team to, you know,
get us in a position
737
00:28:33,489 --> 00:28:35,391
where we could be successful,
738
00:28:35,491 --> 00:28:38,494
but also opening up
as a player
739
00:28:38,594 --> 00:28:40,296
where I could show my talent
740
00:28:40,396 --> 00:28:42,699
and my greatness
on the court, as well.
741
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:46,335
You know, every page
I turned to, I could see why
742
00:28:46,436 --> 00:28:47,904
this became
a New York Times Best Seller
743
00:28:47,937 --> 00:28:50,673
because it's Scottie Pippen
telling us, you know, his truth.
744
00:28:50,773 --> 00:28:53,576
It's, you know,
one of the greatest NBA players
745
00:28:53,676 --> 00:28:55,945
delving into, you know,
the inner workings
746
00:28:56,045 --> 00:28:58,548
of one of the greatest periods
in basketball.
747
00:28:58,648 --> 00:29:01,150
And there's a part that I...
that really stuck with me.
748
00:29:01,250 --> 00:29:04,287
It's when you wrote
your own tombstone,
749
00:29:04,387 --> 00:29:05,621
which is really funny.
750
00:29:05,722 --> 00:29:06,723
I mean, it seems morbid,
but it's really funny,
751
00:29:06,823 --> 00:29:08,725
where you write, you know,
752
00:29:08,825 --> 00:29:11,160
"I'm almost convinced
that literally to my grave
753
00:29:11,260 --> 00:29:12,562
"this will be my tombstone.
754
00:29:12,662 --> 00:29:15,598
"'Scottie Maurice Pippin,
beloved husband and father,
755
00:29:15,698 --> 00:29:18,401
"'1965 to...'"
You know? And then, it's,
756
00:29:18,501 --> 00:29:20,303
"'Seven-time NBA All-Star,
757
00:29:20,403 --> 00:29:21,771
six-time NBA champion.'"
758
00:29:21,938 --> 00:29:23,172
And below that, it says,
759
00:29:23,272 --> 00:29:24,841
"'Sat out the final 1.8 seconds
of a play-off game
760
00:29:24,941 --> 00:29:26,843
between the Chicago Bulls
and the New York Knicks.'"
761
00:29:26,943 --> 00:29:29,445
And I was interested in that.
762
00:29:29,545 --> 00:29:31,614
Like, you know, obviously,
that's something
763
00:29:31,714 --> 00:29:34,617
that people have talked about,
but I wonder why you think
764
00:29:34,717 --> 00:29:37,153
that would be something that
would always follow your legacy.
765
00:29:37,253 --> 00:29:40,890
Why do you think that moment
was so big, not just for you,
766
00:29:40,957 --> 00:29:42,959
but for how people saw it
from the outside?
767
00:29:43,059 --> 00:29:46,362
Well, I think for what people
saw from the outside,
768
00:29:46,462 --> 00:29:49,599
they had never saw a player
really stand up
769
00:29:49,699 --> 00:29:54,137
for himself, uh, against a coach
in that type of situation.
770
00:29:54,237 --> 00:29:58,074
And I think I was that player
to sort of break that ice.
771
00:29:58,174 --> 00:30:01,944
And it was a moment
in time for me
772
00:30:02,045 --> 00:30:05,715
because I have been challenged
my whole life.
773
00:30:05,815 --> 00:30:09,485
Uh, and I had been playing under
the wings of Michael Jordan
774
00:30:09,585 --> 00:30:13,356
-for, I guess at that time,
six years, -Mm-hmm.
775
00:30:13,456 --> 00:30:16,325
three championships,
so I felt like it was time
776
00:30:16,426 --> 00:30:20,396
for me to break out
and to let them know that,
777
00:30:20,496 --> 00:30:22,665
hey, I came here to be
a star player.
778
00:30:22,765 --> 00:30:26,035
I didn't come here to be
a second fiddler to anyone.
779
00:30:26,135 --> 00:30:29,305
And I think I needed to make
that stance.
780
00:30:29,405 --> 00:30:32,542
And just so happened
it was a, you know,
781
00:30:32,642 --> 00:30:35,078
a game that I felt like, uh,
782
00:30:35,178 --> 00:30:39,182
you know, it was that moment
where I needed to speak out.
783
00:30:39,282 --> 00:30:40,750
Well, you know what,
784
00:30:40,883 --> 00:30:42,752
there's a reason
you're a Hall of Famer.
785
00:30:42,885 --> 00:30:44,787
There's a reason
you have your six rings.
786
00:30:44,887 --> 00:30:46,622
There's a reason you're
a New York Times bestseller.
787
00:30:46,723 --> 00:30:49,792
And in my heart, because
of NBA Jam, there's a reason
788
00:30:49,892 --> 00:30:51,527
you're still the best video game
character of all time.
789
00:30:51,627 --> 00:30:54,130
That move, I used to do that
move with you the whole time,
790
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:56,499
just to get the guy
off the ball.
791
00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:57,900
(laughing)
792
00:30:57,934 --> 00:31:00,303
Scottie could rebound better
than anyone in that game.
793
00:31:00,403 --> 00:31:02,939
Have you ever played yourself
in that game, by the way?
794
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,942
No, I kind of missed my time
for video games.
795
00:31:06,042 --> 00:31:07,410
You're missing out in life,
Scottie.
796
00:31:07,510 --> 00:31:09,212
-Yeah. -Let me
tell you something now, man.
797
00:31:09,312 --> 00:31:10,513
You did this thing with--
798
00:31:10,613 --> 00:31:12,014
I didn't even know
what basketball was.
799
00:31:12,115 --> 00:31:13,483
I just played video games.
800
00:31:13,583 --> 00:31:14,951
And then there was this move
you would get.
801
00:31:15,051 --> 00:31:16,619
You would just,
you would rebound, right?
802
00:31:16,719 --> 00:31:18,755
You'd jump up, Scottie
could get it before everybody,
803
00:31:18,921 --> 00:31:20,356
and then as soon
as I would land,
804
00:31:20,456 --> 00:31:21,724
I'd do this, I'd just do this,
805
00:31:21,824 --> 00:31:24,260
and then everyone would,
like, fall around me,
806
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,095
and then I'd go to the other
side and then I'd dunk.
807
00:31:26,195 --> 00:31:27,764
I was like: I don't know
who Scottie Pippen...
808
00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:29,832
I literally knew you
as a video game character.
809
00:31:29,932 --> 00:31:31,768
Like, in my world, there
was, like, Ken and Ryu
810
00:31:31,934 --> 00:31:33,002
from Street Fighter,
811
00:31:33,102 --> 00:31:34,537
and Scottie Pippen from NBA Jam.
812
00:31:34,637 --> 00:31:36,305
And then someone was like:
This is a real person
813
00:31:36,406 --> 00:31:37,874
in a real country.
814
00:31:37,907 --> 00:31:39,142
I was like: That's ridiculous.
815
00:31:39,242 --> 00:31:41,778
No one can jump that high
and then fight people like this.
816
00:31:41,878 --> 00:31:43,746
But here he is.
So thank you again, Scottie.
817
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,515
-I appreciate you, man.
-That's amazing.
818
00:31:45,615 --> 00:31:47,984
Thank you, Trevor, forever, man.
I appreciate it.
819
00:31:48,084 --> 00:31:50,319
All right, don't forget, people,
Scottie's memoir,
820
00:31:50,420 --> 00:31:52,288
Unguarded,
is available right now.
821
00:31:52,388 --> 00:31:53,756
You're definitely
gonna want to read it.
822
00:31:53,890 --> 00:31:55,124
We're gonna take a quick break,
823
00:31:55,224 --> 00:31:57,293
but we'll be right back
after this.
824
00:32:00,596 --> 00:32:02,064
Well, that's our show
for tonight, but before we go,
825
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Now, here it is,
Your Moment of Zen.
836
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♪ ♪
837
00:32:30,092 --> 00:32:32,662
KENNEDY: We have elected
officials in this country
838
00:32:32,762 --> 00:32:37,900
who have used the pandemic
as a pretext
839
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,371
to exercise their power
gratuitously.
840
00:32:42,472 --> 00:32:45,641
I mean, they...
they will shut down everything
841
00:32:45,741 --> 00:32:47,810
at the slightest excuse.
842
00:32:47,910 --> 00:32:51,781
And they don't care
if you end up homeless
843
00:32:51,881 --> 00:32:54,550
on the beach eating seaweed.