1 00:00:01,235 --> 00:00:02,970 Did anybody used to play video games sometimes? Yeah? 2 00:00:03,070 --> 00:00:05,806 The-the... the game... one of my favorite games ever, 3 00:00:03,070 --> 00:00:05,806 The-the... the game... one of my favorite games ever, 4 00:00:05,906 --> 00:00:08,108 Uncharted, is... they said they're making a movie. 5 00:00:05,906 --> 00:00:08,108 Uncharted, is... they said they're making a movie. 6 00:00:08,208 --> 00:00:11,011 Like, now, they, like, released, like, the trailer thing. 7 00:00:11,111 --> 00:00:13,780 I don't know, man. I don't know... 8 00:00:11,111 --> 00:00:13,780 I don't know, man. I don't know... 9 00:00:13,881 --> 00:00:15,015 Okay, here's my thing. Here's my thing. 10 00:00:15,115 --> 00:00:16,984 The whole point of a video game 11 00:00:15,115 --> 00:00:16,984 The whole point of a video game 12 00:00:17,084 --> 00:00:18,785 is that you're in control of the character. 13 00:00:18,886 --> 00:00:20,787 That's what makes it more fun than anything else. 14 00:00:18,886 --> 00:00:20,787 That's what makes it more fun than anything else. 15 00:00:20,888 --> 00:00:22,055 And then they're like: Hey, 16 00:00:22,155 --> 00:00:24,091 you know how you could do all this stuff? 17 00:00:22,155 --> 00:00:24,091 you know how you could do all this stuff? 18 00:00:24,191 --> 00:00:25,459 Imagine if you couldn't. 19 00:00:25,559 --> 00:00:28,195 Now you just watch it. 20 00:00:25,559 --> 00:00:28,195 Now you just watch it. 21 00:00:28,295 --> 00:00:30,964 Like, that's why the video game was better in the first place. 22 00:00:31,064 --> 00:00:32,466 Now you're just gonna make me watch... 23 00:00:31,064 --> 00:00:32,466 Now you're just gonna make me watch... 24 00:00:32,566 --> 00:00:34,034 I could just watch a streamer, then. 25 00:00:34,134 --> 00:00:35,769 I go on YouTube and watch someone playing the game. 26 00:00:35,869 --> 00:00:37,604 That's the same thing. Now you want me to pay... 27 00:00:35,869 --> 00:00:37,604 That's the same thing. Now you want me to pay... 28 00:00:37,704 --> 00:00:39,406 Then I come with popcorn like an idiot. 29 00:00:39,506 --> 00:00:40,674 "He should have jumped." 30 00:00:39,506 --> 00:00:40,674 "He should have jumped." 31 00:00:40,774 --> 00:00:43,343 Like, what am I... What is the point of this thing? 32 00:00:43,443 --> 00:00:46,146 It's... 'cause it, you know it's going to be these games now 33 00:00:43,443 --> 00:00:46,146 It's... 'cause it, you know it's going to be these games now 34 00:00:46,246 --> 00:00:47,814 and then at some point it's gonna be Pac-Man. 35 00:00:47,915 --> 00:00:50,884 Now we're there watching two hours, Daniel Day-Lewis, 36 00:00:47,915 --> 00:00:50,884 Now we're there watching two hours, Daniel Day-Lewis, 37 00:00:50,984 --> 00:00:54,188 (imitating Pac-Man): ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, 38 00:00:50,984 --> 00:00:54,188 (imitating Pac-Man): ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, 39 00:00:54,288 --> 00:00:56,723 boo, baa-baa-baa-baa, boo... 40 00:00:54,288 --> 00:00:56,723 boo, baa-baa-baa-baa, boo... 41 00:00:56,823 --> 00:00:59,426 I mean, he would be amazing, we can all admit that. 42 00:00:59,526 --> 00:01:02,062 If anyone could play Pac-Man, it would be Daniel Day-Lewis. 43 00:00:59,526 --> 00:01:02,062 If anyone could play Pac-Man, it would be Daniel Day-Lewis. 44 00:01:02,162 --> 00:01:03,530 He'd probably kill that shit. 45 00:01:03,630 --> 00:01:05,465 You'd be like: I don't know about Pac... 46 00:01:03,630 --> 00:01:05,465 You'd be like: I don't know about Pac... 47 00:01:05,566 --> 00:01:07,267 How can you watch a movie about Pac-Man? 48 00:01:07,367 --> 00:01:10,871 And then he'd come on and be like: ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, 49 00:01:07,367 --> 00:01:10,871 And then he'd come on and be like: ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, 50 00:01:10,971 --> 00:01:13,307 boo, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, boo... 51 00:01:10,971 --> 00:01:13,307 boo, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, boo... 52 00:01:13,407 --> 00:01:16,276 (like Day-Lewis): It's your dot. 53 00:01:13,407 --> 00:01:16,276 (like Day-Lewis): It's your dot. 54 00:01:16,376 --> 00:01:18,779 And then now it's my dot. 55 00:01:18,879 --> 00:01:21,949 And you'd just be like: Jesus, what a gripping performance. 56 00:01:18,879 --> 00:01:21,949 And you'd just be like: Jesus, what a gripping performance. 57 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:23,383 ♪ ♪ 58 00:01:23,483 --> 00:01:25,385 ANNOUNCER: Coming to you from the heart of Times Square, 59 00:01:23,483 --> 00:01:25,385 ANNOUNCER: Coming to you from the heart of Times Square, 60 00:01:25,485 --> 00:01:27,554 the most important place on Earth, 61 00:01:27,654 --> 00:01:29,556 it's The Daily Show. 62 00:01:27,654 --> 00:01:29,556 it's The Daily Show. 63 00:01:29,656 --> 00:01:32,659 Tonight, the next step for workers' rights, 64 00:01:29,656 --> 00:01:32,659 Tonight, the next step for workers' rights, 65 00:01:32,759 --> 00:01:35,362 Senator Duckworth, 66 00:01:35,462 --> 00:01:37,865 and Michael Pollan. 67 00:01:35,462 --> 00:01:37,865 and Michael Pollan. 68 00:01:37,965 --> 00:01:42,936 This is The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. 69 00:01:37,965 --> 00:01:42,936 This is The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. 70 00:01:43,103 --> 00:01:44,872 Hey! What's going on, everybody? 71 00:01:43,103 --> 00:01:44,872 Hey! What's going on, everybody? 72 00:01:44,972 --> 00:01:47,174 Welcome to The Daily Show. I'm Trevor Noah. 73 00:01:47,274 --> 00:01:49,943 And today I'm joined by... 74 00:01:47,274 --> 00:01:49,943 And today I'm joined by... 75 00:01:50,110 --> 00:01:52,112 Oh. Nobody. 76 00:01:50,110 --> 00:01:52,112 Oh. Nobody. 77 00:01:52,779 --> 00:01:56,116 Do we have no... no correspondent here today? 78 00:01:52,779 --> 00:01:56,116 Do we have no... no correspondent here today? 79 00:01:56,149 --> 00:01:58,118 Oh, sorry. Okay, they've been stopping in 80 00:01:58,218 --> 00:02:00,187 so many times, I just... I kind of got used to it. 81 00:01:58,218 --> 00:02:00,187 so many times, I just... I kind of got used to it. 82 00:02:00,287 --> 00:02:03,590 But that's okay. I'm excited to be going solo! 83 00:02:03,690 --> 00:02:06,059 Because tonight, we... 84 00:02:03,690 --> 00:02:06,059 Because tonight, we... 85 00:02:06,093 --> 00:02:08,128 Oh. Sorry, I thought someone came in. 86 00:02:06,093 --> 00:02:08,128 Oh. Sorry, I thought someone came in. 87 00:02:08,228 --> 00:02:10,364 That's fine. All right, let's just... 88 00:02:10,464 --> 00:02:12,065 let's just jump straight into the headlines. 89 00:02:10,464 --> 00:02:12,065 let's just jump straight into the headlines. 90 00:02:14,601 --> 00:02:16,170 Do you guys remember Donald Trump? 91 00:02:14,601 --> 00:02:16,170 Do you guys remember Donald Trump? 92 00:02:16,270 --> 00:02:17,171 Yeah? You guys remember him? 93 00:02:17,271 --> 00:02:18,839 No? No? Maybe not? 94 00:02:18,939 --> 00:02:21,275 He was a reality TV guy, used to be president, 95 00:02:18,939 --> 00:02:21,275 He was a reality TV guy, used to be president, 96 00:02:21,375 --> 00:02:23,777 tried to overthrow the government, still kind of is? 97 00:02:23,877 --> 00:02:26,079 Well, if you haven't thought about him for a while, 98 00:02:23,877 --> 00:02:26,079 Well, if you haven't thought about him for a while, 99 00:02:26,113 --> 00:02:28,215 it's probably because back in January, 100 00:02:26,113 --> 00:02:28,215 it's probably because back in January, 101 00:02:28,315 --> 00:02:31,118 he got kicked off of Twitter and Facebook, 102 00:02:31,218 --> 00:02:33,687 which was his main way of spreading his gospel. 103 00:02:31,218 --> 00:02:33,687 which was his main way of spreading his gospel. 104 00:02:33,787 --> 00:02:35,189 And now because of that, 105 00:02:35,289 --> 00:02:37,991 he's been forced to post only on OnlyFans. 106 00:02:35,289 --> 00:02:37,991 he's been forced to post only on OnlyFans. 107 00:02:38,091 --> 00:02:39,760 And he's actually doing great. 108 00:02:39,860 --> 00:02:41,595 Yeah, he's got the biggest boobs on the whole website. 109 00:02:39,860 --> 00:02:41,595 Yeah, he's got the biggest boobs on the whole website. 110 00:02:41,695 --> 00:02:44,097 But still, he wants a bigger platform, 111 00:02:41,695 --> 00:02:44,097 But still, he wants a bigger platform, 112 00:02:44,164 --> 00:02:46,366 which is why last night he announced that he is starting 113 00:02:46,466 --> 00:02:49,236 his very own social media network, 114 00:02:46,466 --> 00:02:49,236 his very own social media network, 115 00:02:49,336 --> 00:02:53,507 called Truth Social, saying, quote... 116 00:02:49,336 --> 00:02:53,507 called Truth Social, saying, quote... 117 00:03:00,147 --> 00:03:01,949 And yes, in case you didn't get it, 118 00:03:02,049 --> 00:03:05,118 they're calling their posts "truths." 119 00:03:02,049 --> 00:03:05,118 they're calling their posts "truths." 120 00:03:05,219 --> 00:03:07,921 Which is so lame, I don't care what anyone says. 121 00:03:08,055 --> 00:03:10,524 'Cause, I mean, it makes the whole thing sound like... 122 00:03:10,624 --> 00:03:13,927 Remember, like, those guys who came to your school assemblies? 123 00:03:10,624 --> 00:03:13,927 Remember, like, those guys who came to your school assemblies? 124 00:03:14,061 --> 00:03:17,898 Yo, lemme post a truth at you-- drugs are wack! 125 00:03:14,061 --> 00:03:17,898 Yo, lemme post a truth at you-- drugs are wack! 126 00:03:18,065 --> 00:03:21,068 Except for ivermectin! Yo! 127 00:03:18,065 --> 00:03:21,068 Except for ivermectin! Yo! 128 00:03:21,101 --> 00:03:22,769 Also, you know what this means, right? 129 00:03:22,870 --> 00:03:25,172 If Trump is posting "truths," 130 00:03:22,870 --> 00:03:25,172 If Trump is posting "truths," 131 00:03:25,272 --> 00:03:29,543 knowing him, eventually he's gonna start posting "dares." 132 00:03:25,272 --> 00:03:29,543 knowing him, eventually he's gonna start posting "dares." 133 00:03:29,643 --> 00:03:31,745 (like Trump): "Okay, I shared my truth. 134 00:03:31,845 --> 00:03:35,148 Now I dare you to hang Mike Pence. 135 00:03:31,845 --> 00:03:35,148 Now I dare you to hang Mike Pence. 136 00:03:35,249 --> 00:03:37,284 And the big reason Trump and his people 137 00:03:35,249 --> 00:03:37,284 And the big reason Trump and his people 138 00:03:37,384 --> 00:03:39,720 want their own social media app is that they are sick and tired 139 00:03:39,820 --> 00:03:41,421 of censorship from Big Tech. 140 00:03:39,820 --> 00:03:41,421 of censorship from Big Tech. 141 00:03:41,522 --> 00:03:44,925 And Truth Social is promising to be a free-speech paradise, 142 00:03:41,522 --> 00:03:44,925 And Truth Social is promising to be a free-speech paradise, 143 00:03:45,092 --> 00:03:51,164 a place where anyone can say anything-- with some exceptions. 144 00:03:45,092 --> 00:03:51,164 a place where anyone can say anything-- with some exceptions. 145 00:03:51,265 --> 00:03:53,500 NEWSMAN: Former President Trump's new free-speech 146 00:03:51,265 --> 00:03:53,500 NEWSMAN: Former President Trump's new free-speech 147 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,237 social network will not be allowing criticism of itself. 148 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,237 social network will not be allowing criticism of itself. 149 00:03:57,337 --> 00:04:00,574 The home page of Truth Social says the network will be 150 00:03:57,337 --> 00:04:00,574 The home page of Truth Social says the network will be 151 00:04:00,674 --> 00:04:04,811 a platform for open, free and honest global conversation. 152 00:04:00,674 --> 00:04:04,811 a platform for open, free and honest global conversation. 153 00:04:04,912 --> 00:04:06,914 The "terms of service" page, however, 154 00:04:07,047 --> 00:04:10,050 says users will not be allowed to disparage, 155 00:04:07,047 --> 00:04:10,050 says users will not be allowed to disparage, 156 00:04:10,150 --> 00:04:13,921 tarnish or otherwise harm the social media site. 157 00:04:10,150 --> 00:04:13,921 tarnish or otherwise harm the social media site. 158 00:04:14,054 --> 00:04:19,326 The Truth Social is expected to go live sometime next year. 159 00:04:14,054 --> 00:04:19,326 The Truth Social is expected to go live sometime next year. 160 00:04:19,426 --> 00:04:20,627 Yo, this man is a legend. 161 00:04:19,426 --> 00:04:20,627 Yo, this man is a legend. 162 00:04:20,727 --> 00:04:22,563 He creates a free-speech website, 163 00:04:22,663 --> 00:04:25,432 and immediately was like, "Okay, here's what you can't say." 164 00:04:22,663 --> 00:04:25,432 and immediately was like, "Okay, here's what you can't say." 165 00:04:25,532 --> 00:04:27,334 It's like if the first rule of Fight Club was: 166 00:04:27,434 --> 00:04:29,970 Hey, hey, hey, no fighting, no fighting. 167 00:04:27,434 --> 00:04:29,970 Hey, hey, hey, no fighting, no fighting. 168 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:32,139 No fighting. We work shit out here. 169 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:32,139 No fighting. We work shit out here. 170 00:04:32,239 --> 00:04:34,441 And I'll be honest, like, I'm actually on Trump's side here. 171 00:04:34,541 --> 00:04:35,809 It's his website. 172 00:04:35,909 --> 00:04:37,744 He doesn't want people coming on there to roast it. 173 00:04:35,909 --> 00:04:37,744 He doesn't want people coming on there to roast it. 174 00:04:37,845 --> 00:04:39,680 Just like he wouldn't want people walking into his home 175 00:04:39,780 --> 00:04:41,815 like: Who decorated this place? 176 00:04:39,780 --> 00:04:41,815 like: Who decorated this place? 177 00:04:41,915 --> 00:04:45,085 It looks like King Midas molested your apartment. 178 00:04:41,915 --> 00:04:45,085 It looks like King Midas molested your apartment. 179 00:04:45,152 --> 00:04:48,455 At the same time, though, you know this is gonna backfire, 180 00:04:45,152 --> 00:04:48,455 At the same time, though, you know this is gonna backfire, 181 00:04:48,555 --> 00:04:51,658 because half of the fun of being on social media 182 00:04:51,758 --> 00:04:53,794 is talking shit about the platform. 183 00:04:51,758 --> 00:04:53,794 is talking shit about the platform. 184 00:04:53,894 --> 00:04:56,296 I mean, if you deleted all the tweets 185 00:04:53,894 --> 00:04:56,296 I mean, if you deleted all the tweets 186 00:04:56,396 --> 00:04:59,166 that talked shit about Twitter on Twitter, 187 00:04:59,266 --> 00:05:03,837 the only thing left would be that Denzel GIF. 188 00:04:59,266 --> 00:05:03,837 the only thing left would be that Denzel GIF. 189 00:05:03,937 --> 00:05:06,673 And, like, really, find another way to express yourself, people. 190 00:05:03,937 --> 00:05:06,673 And, like, really, find another way to express yourself, people. 191 00:05:06,773 --> 00:05:09,510 And how is Trump... How is Trump of all people 192 00:05:06,773 --> 00:05:09,510 And how is Trump... How is Trump of all people 193 00:05:09,610 --> 00:05:12,212 gonna make a rule about disparaging comments? 194 00:05:09,610 --> 00:05:12,212 gonna make a rule about disparaging comments? 195 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:14,414 I mean, this man roasts people so much, 196 00:05:14,515 --> 00:05:16,383 he has to do it at auctioneer speed. 197 00:05:14,515 --> 00:05:16,383 he has to do it at auctioneer speed. 198 00:05:16,483 --> 00:05:17,918 "We got a fat guy in the front row. 199 00:05:18,051 --> 00:05:19,720 "Total slob. Total slob. Yes, over here to the ugly chick. 200 00:05:19,820 --> 00:05:21,121 "Low energy. Major failure. 201 00:05:19,820 --> 00:05:21,121 "Low energy. Major failure. 202 00:05:21,221 --> 00:05:23,190 "Sold to the low-life horseface bozo 203 00:05:23,290 --> 00:05:25,325 who's weak on China." 204 00:05:23,290 --> 00:05:25,325 who's weak on China." 205 00:05:25,425 --> 00:05:29,062 But still, Trump has started his own social media site. 206 00:05:25,425 --> 00:05:29,062 But still, Trump has started his own social media site. 207 00:05:29,129 --> 00:05:31,565 (chuckles) Which is crazy, right, Roy? 208 00:05:31,665 --> 00:05:33,100 Because it's just... 209 00:05:31,665 --> 00:05:33,100 Because it's just... 210 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,968 Oh, right, he's... 211 00:05:35,068 --> 00:05:36,270 He's not here. 212 00:05:35,068 --> 00:05:36,270 He's not here. 213 00:05:36,370 --> 00:05:37,671 All right, let's move on. 214 00:05:37,771 --> 00:05:39,439 Because when Trump lost the election, 215 00:05:39,540 --> 00:05:41,842 he was so humiliated that ever since, 216 00:05:39,540 --> 00:05:41,842 he was so humiliated that ever since, 217 00:05:41,942 --> 00:05:45,479 he's been spreading completely made-up claims of voter fraud. 218 00:05:41,942 --> 00:05:45,479 he's been spreading completely made-up claims of voter fraud. 219 00:05:45,579 --> 00:05:48,649 And in response to this imaginary voter fraud, 220 00:05:45,579 --> 00:05:48,649 And in response to this imaginary voter fraud, 221 00:05:48,749 --> 00:05:50,884 Republican-led states around the country 222 00:05:50,984 --> 00:05:53,220 have been making it harder to vote. 223 00:05:50,984 --> 00:05:53,220 have been making it harder to vote. 224 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,756 All right? Passing laws that limit voting hours 225 00:05:55,856 --> 00:05:57,991 restricting access to mail-in ballots 226 00:05:55,856 --> 00:05:57,991 restricting access to mail-in ballots 227 00:05:58,091 --> 00:06:00,327 and offering an express voting line 228 00:05:58,091 --> 00:06:00,327 and offering an express voting line 229 00:06:00,427 --> 00:06:01,662 for anybody with a valid photo 230 00:06:01,762 --> 00:06:03,864 of themselves storming the Capitol. 231 00:06:04,031 --> 00:06:05,599 Which is why Democrats in Congress 232 00:06:05,699 --> 00:06:07,034 have put together a bill 233 00:06:07,067 --> 00:06:09,770 designed to protect voting rights. 234 00:06:07,067 --> 00:06:09,770 designed to protect voting rights. 235 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:12,472 But last night, the bill failed in the Senate 236 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:12,472 But last night, the bill failed in the Senate 237 00:06:12,573 --> 00:06:14,041 with every Democrat voting for it 238 00:06:14,107 --> 00:06:17,211 and every Republican voting against it. 239 00:06:14,107 --> 00:06:17,211 and every Republican voting against it. 240 00:06:17,311 --> 00:06:19,546 Which, yeah, of course. 241 00:06:19,646 --> 00:06:21,949 I mean, of course Republicans weren't gonna support a bill 242 00:06:19,646 --> 00:06:21,949 I mean, of course Republicans weren't gonna support a bill 243 00:06:22,049 --> 00:06:24,051 that's gonna make it harder for them to win. 244 00:06:22,049 --> 00:06:24,051 that's gonna make it harder for them to win. 245 00:06:24,151 --> 00:06:26,954 No one wants to make it harder on themselves to win. 246 00:06:27,054 --> 00:06:29,489 If I have a choice of playing pickup 247 00:06:27,054 --> 00:06:29,489 If I have a choice of playing pickup 248 00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:32,693 against Kevin Hart or Shaq, 249 00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:32,693 against Kevin Hart or Shaq, 250 00:06:32,793 --> 00:06:35,863 yo, I'm gonna choose to play against Shaq. 251 00:06:35,963 --> 00:06:37,764 Have you seen all those IcyHot commercials? 252 00:06:35,963 --> 00:06:37,764 Have you seen all those IcyHot commercials? 253 00:06:37,865 --> 00:06:39,533 That man's body's falling apart. 254 00:06:39,633 --> 00:06:41,702 I got a good shot. 255 00:06:39,633 --> 00:06:41,702 I got a good shot. 256 00:06:41,802 --> 00:06:43,570 But once again, the only reason 257 00:06:43,670 --> 00:06:45,239 Republicans were able to block this bill 258 00:06:43,670 --> 00:06:45,239 Republicans were able to block this bill 259 00:06:45,339 --> 00:06:47,074 is because of the filibuster. 260 00:06:47,174 --> 00:06:50,177 And many Democrats have said that now, 261 00:06:47,174 --> 00:06:50,177 And many Democrats have said that now, 262 00:06:50,277 --> 00:06:51,745 they've had enough. 263 00:06:51,845 --> 00:06:53,247 NEWSWOMAN: Some Democrats say it's time 264 00:06:51,845 --> 00:06:53,247 NEWSWOMAN: Some Democrats say it's time 265 00:06:53,347 --> 00:06:55,782 to scrap the filibuster rule to get this bill passed. 266 00:06:55,883 --> 00:06:57,818 More Democrats now agreeing to carve out 267 00:06:55,883 --> 00:06:57,818 More Democrats now agreeing to carve out 268 00:06:57,918 --> 00:07:00,053 a voting rights exception to the filibuster rule, 269 00:06:57,918 --> 00:07:00,053 a voting rights exception to the filibuster rule, 270 00:07:00,153 --> 00:07:02,422 something they have been reluctant to change. 271 00:07:02,523 --> 00:07:04,124 NEWSMAN: That appears highly unlikely to happen 272 00:07:02,523 --> 00:07:04,124 NEWSMAN: That appears highly unlikely to happen 273 00:07:04,224 --> 00:07:06,360 because two key Democratic holdouts, 274 00:07:06,460 --> 00:07:08,662 Senator Kyrsten Sinema, Senator Joe Manchin, 275 00:07:06,460 --> 00:07:08,662 Senator Kyrsten Sinema, Senator Joe Manchin, 276 00:07:08,762 --> 00:07:10,130 they're on board with the Freedom to Vote Act, 277 00:07:10,230 --> 00:07:12,933 but they also support preserving the 60-vote threshold. 278 00:07:10,230 --> 00:07:12,933 but they also support preserving the 60-vote threshold. 279 00:07:13,033 --> 00:07:14,234 And there's no daylight-- 280 00:07:14,334 --> 00:07:16,036 uh, or, really, no movement, I should say-- 281 00:07:14,334 --> 00:07:16,036 uh, or, really, no movement, I should say-- 282 00:07:16,069 --> 00:07:19,806 on their part in terms of, uh, changing the filibuster rule 283 00:07:19,907 --> 00:07:21,842 to allow this to move forward. 284 00:07:19,907 --> 00:07:21,842 to allow this to move forward. 285 00:07:21,942 --> 00:07:23,377 Yeah, so, basically, most Democrats 286 00:07:23,477 --> 00:07:25,145 think it's fine to alter the filibuster, 287 00:07:23,477 --> 00:07:25,145 think it's fine to alter the filibuster, 288 00:07:25,245 --> 00:07:27,047 at least in this one case, 289 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,050 because protecting voting rights is an emergency. 290 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,050 because protecting voting rights is an emergency. 291 00:07:30,083 --> 00:07:31,552 You know? It's the same way 292 00:07:31,652 --> 00:07:33,954 that when you need to get to a hospital, 293 00:07:31,652 --> 00:07:33,954 that when you need to get to a hospital, 294 00:07:34,054 --> 00:07:35,722 it's okay to drive over the speed limit. 295 00:07:35,822 --> 00:07:39,593 But Manchin and Sinema, well, they're basically saying, 296 00:07:35,822 --> 00:07:39,593 But Manchin and Sinema, well, they're basically saying, 297 00:07:39,693 --> 00:07:42,062 "Yeah, you might do it now, but where does it end?" 298 00:07:39,693 --> 00:07:42,062 "Yeah, you might do it now, but where does it end?" 299 00:07:42,129 --> 00:07:43,630 I mean, first, you'll say 300 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:45,098 you'll only speed to get to the hospital, 301 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:45,098 you'll only speed to get to the hospital, 302 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:47,301 but then it's to make a doctor's appointment on time. 303 00:07:47,401 --> 00:07:49,469 And then it's to get to the grocery store. 304 00:07:47,401 --> 00:07:49,469 And then it's to get to the grocery store. 305 00:07:49,570 --> 00:07:51,705 And then if you're... if you're late to a movie, you speed. 306 00:07:51,805 --> 00:07:53,307 And then if you're not late for the movie 307 00:07:51,805 --> 00:07:53,307 And then if you're not late for the movie 308 00:07:53,407 --> 00:07:55,108 but you just really want to see the trailers, then you speed. 309 00:07:55,209 --> 00:07:57,177 Then you're just speeding all the time! 310 00:07:55,209 --> 00:07:57,177 Then you're just speeding all the time! 311 00:07:57,277 --> 00:07:59,813 But I will say this as someone who's not from this country. 312 00:07:59,913 --> 00:08:02,416 People around the world don't envy America 313 00:07:59,913 --> 00:08:02,416 People around the world don't envy America 314 00:08:02,516 --> 00:08:05,219 because of its commitment to the filibuster. 315 00:08:02,516 --> 00:08:05,219 because of its commitment to the filibuster. 316 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:07,054 People envy America 317 00:08:07,154 --> 00:08:09,156 because of its long-standing commitment 318 00:08:07,154 --> 00:08:09,156 because of its long-standing commitment 319 00:08:09,256 --> 00:08:11,024 to stuffing things with cheese. 320 00:08:11,091 --> 00:08:15,095 Those are the principles Congress should be living up to. 321 00:08:11,091 --> 00:08:15,095 Those are the principles Congress should be living up to. 322 00:08:15,195 --> 00:08:18,532 If you ask me, there's a compromise here. 323 00:08:15,195 --> 00:08:18,532 If you ask me, there's a compromise here. 324 00:08:18,632 --> 00:08:21,034 They should just treat exceptions to the filibuster 325 00:08:18,632 --> 00:08:21,034 They should just treat exceptions to the filibuster 326 00:08:21,134 --> 00:08:22,870 like it's wishes from a genie. 327 00:08:23,036 --> 00:08:25,038 You only get three. 328 00:08:23,036 --> 00:08:25,038 You only get three. 329 00:08:25,138 --> 00:08:28,041 The trick is to use your third filibuster exception 330 00:08:25,138 --> 00:08:28,041 The trick is to use your third filibuster exception 331 00:08:28,141 --> 00:08:30,177 to ask for more exceptions. 332 00:08:31,812 --> 00:08:34,381 What's that? Did you say something, Empty Table? 333 00:08:31,812 --> 00:08:34,381 What's that? Did you say something, Empty Table? 334 00:08:34,481 --> 00:08:36,517 (laughs) Yeah, you're right. 335 00:08:34,481 --> 00:08:36,517 (laughs) Yeah, you're right. 336 00:08:36,617 --> 00:08:40,187 The Democrats really can't get their act together, man. 337 00:08:36,617 --> 00:08:40,187 The Democrats really can't get their act together, man. 338 00:08:40,287 --> 00:08:41,488 You said it, Table. 339 00:08:41,588 --> 00:08:43,056 Oh, man. 340 00:08:43,123 --> 00:08:45,259 Ah. All right, and finally, 341 00:08:43,123 --> 00:08:45,259 Ah. All right, and finally, 342 00:08:45,359 --> 00:08:47,828 here's a story guaranteed to leave you yawning 343 00:08:47,928 --> 00:08:51,965 and half asleep but, like, in a super interesting way. 344 00:08:47,928 --> 00:08:51,965 and half asleep but, like, in a super interesting way. 345 00:08:52,065 --> 00:08:54,067 NEWSMAN: A new bus tour is designed to be boring 346 00:08:54,101 --> 00:08:55,602 and put people to sleep. 347 00:08:55,702 --> 00:08:57,871 The five-hour ride on a double-decker bus 348 00:08:55,702 --> 00:08:57,871 The five-hour ride on a double-decker bus 349 00:08:57,971 --> 00:08:59,273 takes people around Hong Kong. 350 00:08:59,373 --> 00:09:01,308 It's meant to appeal to people 351 00:08:59,373 --> 00:09:01,308 It's meant to appeal to people 352 00:09:01,408 --> 00:09:04,511 who are easily lulled asleep by long rides, 353 00:09:01,408 --> 00:09:04,511 who are easily lulled asleep by long rides, 354 00:09:04,611 --> 00:09:07,915 and it was inspired by the tendency of tired commuters 355 00:09:08,015 --> 00:09:09,616 to fall asleep on public transit. 356 00:09:09,716 --> 00:09:12,786 Tickets cost between $13 and $51 357 00:09:09,716 --> 00:09:12,786 Tickets cost between $13 and $51 358 00:09:12,886 --> 00:09:14,221 depending on whether they choose seats 359 00:09:14,321 --> 00:09:16,156 on the upper or lower deck. 360 00:09:14,321 --> 00:09:16,156 on the upper or lower deck. 361 00:09:16,256 --> 00:09:17,758 A goody bag for passengers 362 00:09:17,858 --> 00:09:20,027 includes an eye mask and earplugs. 363 00:09:17,858 --> 00:09:20,027 includes an eye mask and earplugs. 364 00:09:20,127 --> 00:09:21,328 Some even come prepared 365 00:09:21,428 --> 00:09:23,597 with their own pillows and blankets. 366 00:09:23,697 --> 00:09:26,733 That's right, a bus you just sleep on. 367 00:09:23,697 --> 00:09:26,733 That's right, a bus you just sleep on. 368 00:09:26,834 --> 00:09:30,037 Which I actually think, on the whole, is a great idea, 369 00:09:26,834 --> 00:09:30,037 Which I actually think, on the whole, is a great idea, 370 00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:32,372 'Cause remember how nice it was when you were a little kid 371 00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:32,372 'Cause remember how nice it was when you were a little kid 372 00:09:32,472 --> 00:09:35,242 and you could just drift off and fall asleep in the car? 373 00:09:35,342 --> 00:09:37,177 But now as an adult, you can't do that 374 00:09:35,342 --> 00:09:37,177 But now as an adult, you can't do that 375 00:09:37,277 --> 00:09:40,314 because "you'll hit a pedestrian" or whatever. 376 00:09:37,277 --> 00:09:40,314 because "you'll hit a pedestrian" or whatever. 377 00:09:40,414 --> 00:09:44,151 And, look, yes, $51 seems pricey, 378 00:09:40,414 --> 00:09:44,151 And, look, yes, $51 seems pricey, 379 00:09:44,251 --> 00:09:46,353 but I do think it's actually a bargain. 380 00:09:46,453 --> 00:09:48,555 I mean, one ticket, and you get access 381 00:09:46,453 --> 00:09:48,555 I mean, one ticket, and you get access 382 00:09:48,655 --> 00:09:50,724 to dozens of unguarded wallets. 383 00:09:50,824 --> 00:09:52,059 (chuckles) Those losers go to sleep, 384 00:09:50,824 --> 00:09:52,059 (chuckles) Those losers go to sleep, 385 00:09:52,092 --> 00:09:53,827 you just go in there and grab the shit. 386 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:56,430 You don't do that with sleeping people? Oh. 387 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:56,430 You don't do that with sleeping people? Oh. 388 00:09:56,530 --> 00:09:58,265 I will say, though, there are a couple of problems with this. 389 00:09:58,365 --> 00:09:59,867 Okay? Um, first of all, 390 00:10:00,067 --> 00:10:01,668 I don't know if I trust this company, 391 00:10:01,768 --> 00:10:04,238 because this is exactly how you get to Squid Game. 392 00:10:01,768 --> 00:10:04,238 because this is exactly how you get to Squid Game. 393 00:10:04,338 --> 00:10:07,040 Secondly, let's be honest. This is wasteful. 394 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:09,209 I mean, sleeping was the one human activity left 395 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:09,209 I mean, sleeping was the one human activity left 396 00:10:09,309 --> 00:10:10,611 that didn't leave a carbon footprint, 397 00:10:10,711 --> 00:10:12,513 and now even that's ruined. 398 00:10:10,711 --> 00:10:12,513 and now even that's ruined. 399 00:10:12,613 --> 00:10:15,315 Now, if getting knocked out on a bus excites you 400 00:10:15,415 --> 00:10:17,985 but you can't get to Hong Kong, the good news is 401 00:10:15,415 --> 00:10:17,985 but you can't get to Hong Kong, the good news is 402 00:10:18,085 --> 00:10:20,454 you can experience this right here. 403 00:10:18,085 --> 00:10:20,454 you can experience this right here. 404 00:10:20,554 --> 00:10:23,390 Yeah. What you do is you get on a Greyhound bus, 405 00:10:23,490 --> 00:10:25,726 and you wait for someone to open the bathroom door, 406 00:10:23,490 --> 00:10:25,726 and you wait for someone to open the bathroom door, 407 00:10:25,826 --> 00:10:27,895 and you won't wake up for two days. 408 00:10:27,995 --> 00:10:29,596 (laughing) 409 00:10:27,995 --> 00:10:29,596 (laughing) 410 00:10:29,696 --> 00:10:30,998 Hey, Table, did you hear what I said? 411 00:10:31,098 --> 00:10:32,833 I said, "If you want to get knocked out, 412 00:10:31,098 --> 00:10:32,833 I said, "If you want to get knocked out, 413 00:10:32,933 --> 00:10:35,235 you open the bathroom door on a Greyhound." 414 00:10:35,335 --> 00:10:36,937 What? What's that? (laughs) 415 00:10:35,335 --> 00:10:36,937 What? What's that? (laughs) 416 00:10:37,037 --> 00:10:39,072 I should set the studio on fire? 417 00:10:39,173 --> 00:10:40,707 Yeah, dude! It would be so funny! 418 00:10:39,173 --> 00:10:40,707 Yeah, dude! It would be so funny! 419 00:10:40,807 --> 00:10:42,576 (laughing): It would be so great! 420 00:10:42,676 --> 00:10:43,977 All because it would burn! 421 00:10:44,077 --> 00:10:46,113 (laughing maniacally) 422 00:10:47,548 --> 00:10:50,817 -(distorted laughter) -(eerie music playing) 423 00:10:47,548 --> 00:10:50,817 -(distorted laughter) -(eerie music playing) 424 00:10:50,918 --> 00:10:51,818 (distorted): Oh, Table! 425 00:10:51,919 --> 00:10:53,487 Oh, my God, Table. 426 00:10:51,919 --> 00:10:53,487 Oh, my God, Table. 427 00:10:53,587 --> 00:10:55,622 (distorted laughter) 428 00:10:57,491 --> 00:10:59,359 All right. That's it for the headlines. 429 00:10:59,459 --> 00:11:01,962 Let's move on to our top story. 430 00:10:59,459 --> 00:11:01,962 Let's move on to our top story. 431 00:11:02,062 --> 00:11:03,864 As you may or may not know, 432 00:11:03,964 --> 00:11:07,634 October is Disability Employment Awareness Month, 433 00:11:03,964 --> 00:11:07,634 October is Disability Employment Awareness Month, 434 00:11:07,734 --> 00:11:09,803 a month where organizers inform us 435 00:11:07,734 --> 00:11:09,803 a month where organizers inform us 436 00:11:09,903 --> 00:11:13,674 about how unfairly disabled people can be treated at work. 437 00:11:09,903 --> 00:11:13,674 about how unfairly disabled people can be treated at work. 438 00:11:13,774 --> 00:11:15,108 But the question is, 439 00:11:15,209 --> 00:11:19,379 why is this still an issue in today's society? 440 00:11:15,209 --> 00:11:19,379 why is this still an issue in today's society? 441 00:11:19,479 --> 00:11:21,748 Well, let's find out why in another installment 442 00:11:19,479 --> 00:11:21,748 Well, let's find out why in another installment 443 00:11:21,849 --> 00:11:24,151 of If You Don't Know, Now You Know. 444 00:11:21,849 --> 00:11:24,151 of If You Don't Know, Now You Know. 445 00:11:24,251 --> 00:11:26,286 ♪ ♪ 446 00:11:32,492 --> 00:11:34,561 Disabled people face a lot of challenges 447 00:11:34,661 --> 00:11:36,096 when it comes to employment: 448 00:11:34,661 --> 00:11:36,096 when it comes to employment: 449 00:11:36,196 --> 00:11:37,431 discrimination in hiring, 450 00:11:37,531 --> 00:11:39,566 a lack of accessible office spaces, 451 00:11:39,666 --> 00:11:41,768 coworkers who claim they're also disabled 452 00:11:39,666 --> 00:11:41,768 coworkers who claim they're also disabled 453 00:11:41,869 --> 00:11:44,104 because they "just can't do gluten." 454 00:11:41,869 --> 00:11:44,104 because they "just can't do gluten." 455 00:11:44,137 --> 00:11:47,541 And there's a big issue getting a lot of attention right now 456 00:11:47,641 --> 00:11:50,944 about how much disabled people get paid. 457 00:11:47,641 --> 00:11:50,944 about how much disabled people get paid. 458 00:11:51,111 --> 00:11:53,947 Minimum wage isn't the same for everyone. 459 00:11:51,111 --> 00:11:53,947 Minimum wage isn't the same for everyone. 460 00:11:54,114 --> 00:11:57,150 Businesses can take advantage of a section of a federal act 461 00:11:54,114 --> 00:11:57,150 Businesses can take advantage of a section of a federal act 462 00:11:57,251 --> 00:12:00,354 that allows them to pay people with disabilities less. 463 00:11:57,251 --> 00:12:00,354 that allows them to pay people with disabilities less. 464 00:12:00,454 --> 00:12:04,291 NEWSMAN: Employers can apply for a Section 14(c) certification 465 00:12:00,454 --> 00:12:04,291 NEWSMAN: Employers can apply for a Section 14(c) certification 466 00:12:04,391 --> 00:12:07,828 of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. 467 00:12:07,928 --> 00:12:11,365 That grants them the ability to pay workers with disabilities 468 00:12:07,928 --> 00:12:11,365 That grants them the ability to pay workers with disabilities 469 00:12:11,465 --> 00:12:15,402 less than the federal minimum wage of $7.25. 470 00:12:11,465 --> 00:12:15,402 less than the federal minimum wage of $7.25. 471 00:12:15,502 --> 00:12:17,070 NEWSWOMAN: This program was established 472 00:12:15,502 --> 00:12:17,070 NEWSWOMAN: This program was established 473 00:12:17,104 --> 00:12:19,206 under the Roosevelt administration 474 00:12:19,306 --> 00:12:21,508 with, arguably, good intentions. 475 00:12:19,306 --> 00:12:21,508 with, arguably, good intentions. 476 00:12:21,608 --> 00:12:23,677 War veterans who developed physical 477 00:12:23,777 --> 00:12:25,979 and mental disabilities from combat 478 00:12:23,777 --> 00:12:25,979 and mental disabilities from combat 479 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:29,116 came home from abroad and struggled to find employment. 480 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:29,116 came home from abroad and struggled to find employment. 481 00:12:29,216 --> 00:12:31,985 NEWSWOMAN 2: There's no limit to how low an employer can pay, 482 00:12:32,085 --> 00:12:35,189 so employers could legally pay pennies per hour. 483 00:12:35,289 --> 00:12:37,357 NEWSMAN 2: There are even places in America 484 00:12:35,289 --> 00:12:37,357 NEWSMAN 2: There are even places in America 485 00:12:37,457 --> 00:12:40,894 where workers earn as little as $0.22 an hour. 486 00:12:37,457 --> 00:12:40,894 where workers earn as little as $0.22 an hour. 487 00:12:40,994 --> 00:12:42,829 It's all perfectly legal. 488 00:12:42,930 --> 00:12:45,966 Yeah. $0.22 an hour. 489 00:12:42,930 --> 00:12:45,966 Yeah. $0.22 an hour. 490 00:12:46,099 --> 00:12:47,434 I mean, I don't know about you, but I was shocked 491 00:12:47,534 --> 00:12:49,937 when I heard that. Because I don't think any human being 492 00:12:47,534 --> 00:12:49,937 when I heard that. Because I don't think any human being 493 00:12:50,103 --> 00:12:52,306 should be earning less than a gumball machine. 494 00:12:50,103 --> 00:12:52,306 should be earning less than a gumball machine. 495 00:12:52,406 --> 00:12:53,974 Even in Africa, we'd see this and be like, 496 00:12:54,107 --> 00:12:57,177 "What? That's not even enough for a cup of coffee a day." 497 00:12:54,107 --> 00:12:57,177 "What? That's not even enough for a cup of coffee a day." 498 00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:59,847 And it doesn't even make sense in terms of just language. 499 00:12:59,947 --> 00:13:03,317 How can a wage be lower than the minimum wage? 500 00:12:59,947 --> 00:13:03,317 How can a wage be lower than the minimum wage? 501 00:13:03,417 --> 00:13:05,285 Minimum is supposed to be the minimum. 502 00:13:03,417 --> 00:13:05,285 Minimum is supposed to be the minimum. 503 00:13:05,385 --> 00:13:06,453 It's like when the weatherman says, 504 00:13:06,553 --> 00:13:07,855 "It's below freezing out there." 505 00:13:07,955 --> 00:13:10,057 Yo, man, once something is frozen, it's frozen. 506 00:13:07,955 --> 00:13:10,057 Yo, man, once something is frozen, it's frozen. 507 00:13:10,157 --> 00:13:11,758 (bleep) out here with your weather voodoo. 508 00:13:11,859 --> 00:13:13,894 So it's no surprise that there is a movement 509 00:13:11,859 --> 00:13:13,894 So it's no surprise that there is a movement 510 00:13:14,061 --> 00:13:16,263 to get rid of subminimum pay. 511 00:13:14,061 --> 00:13:16,263 to get rid of subminimum pay. 512 00:13:16,363 --> 00:13:18,065 More and more states have been passing laws 513 00:13:18,165 --> 00:13:19,366 to close the loophole. 514 00:13:19,466 --> 00:13:21,468 And President Biden recently called on Congress 515 00:13:19,466 --> 00:13:21,468 And President Biden recently called on Congress 516 00:13:21,568 --> 00:13:23,170 to phase it out completely. 517 00:13:23,270 --> 00:13:24,872 And this seems like one of those things 518 00:13:23,270 --> 00:13:24,872 And this seems like one of those things 519 00:13:24,972 --> 00:13:26,406 that everyone should agree on, you know? 520 00:13:26,507 --> 00:13:27,574 Like freeing Britney 521 00:13:27,674 --> 00:13:29,743 or the first Aunt Viv was better 522 00:13:27,674 --> 00:13:29,743 or the first Aunt Viv was better 523 00:13:29,843 --> 00:13:33,213 or that-that the best karaoke song is TLC's "No Scrubs." 524 00:13:29,843 --> 00:13:33,213 or that-that the best karaoke song is TLC's "No Scrubs." 525 00:13:33,313 --> 00:13:34,715 But it's actually more complicated 526 00:13:34,815 --> 00:13:35,916 than you might think, 527 00:13:36,083 --> 00:13:38,118 because some argue that this wage loophole 528 00:13:38,218 --> 00:13:41,255 is actually a good thing for the disabled. 529 00:13:38,218 --> 00:13:41,255 is actually a good thing for the disabled. 530 00:13:41,355 --> 00:13:44,091 NEWSWOMAN: Employers that can pay below $7.25 an hour 531 00:13:41,355 --> 00:13:44,091 NEWSWOMAN: Employers that can pay below $7.25 an hour 532 00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:46,093 are typically agencies that work directly 533 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,762 with people with disabilities to help them find jobs. 534 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,762 with people with disabilities to help them find jobs. 535 00:13:48,862 --> 00:13:50,831 NEWSMAN: What's called a "sheltered workshop." 536 00:13:50,931 --> 00:13:54,001 Here, the disabled get virtually guaranteed employment, 537 00:13:50,931 --> 00:13:54,001 Here, the disabled get virtually guaranteed employment, 538 00:13:54,101 --> 00:13:56,470 but they are not guaranteed minimum wage. 539 00:13:54,101 --> 00:13:56,470 but they are not guaranteed minimum wage. 540 00:13:56,570 --> 00:13:59,139 NEWSMAN 2: These job programs are designed to develop skills, 541 00:13:59,239 --> 00:14:00,541 create social groups 542 00:13:59,239 --> 00:14:00,541 create social groups 543 00:14:00,641 --> 00:14:03,610 and instill a sense of value for their clients. 544 00:14:03,710 --> 00:14:06,880 NEWSMAN 3: If 14(c) certificates cannot be applied for, 545 00:14:03,710 --> 00:14:06,880 NEWSMAN 3: If 14(c) certificates cannot be applied for, 546 00:14:07,047 --> 00:14:09,183 some are worried about the unintended consequences. 547 00:14:07,047 --> 00:14:09,183 some are worried about the unintended consequences. 548 00:14:09,283 --> 00:14:11,351 They say people with profound disabilities 549 00:14:11,451 --> 00:14:13,187 may lose a chance to be employed. 550 00:14:11,451 --> 00:14:13,187 may lose a chance to be employed. 551 00:14:13,287 --> 00:14:15,522 If subminimum wage goes away, 552 00:14:15,622 --> 00:14:18,125 the biggest impact would be on our folks 553 00:14:15,622 --> 00:14:18,125 the biggest impact would be on our folks 554 00:14:18,225 --> 00:14:19,693 who have severe disabilities. 555 00:14:19,793 --> 00:14:22,663 The handicapped, the disabled worker 556 00:14:19,793 --> 00:14:22,663 The handicapped, the disabled worker 557 00:14:22,763 --> 00:14:25,933 is not gonna be given an employment opportunity. 558 00:14:22,763 --> 00:14:25,933 is not gonna be given an employment opportunity. 559 00:14:26,066 --> 00:14:28,869 NEWSMAN 4: Rory Rowland says his son's tried other jobs, 560 00:14:26,066 --> 00:14:28,869 NEWSMAN 4: Rory Rowland says his son's tried other jobs, 561 00:14:28,969 --> 00:14:31,738 but sheltered workshops provide gainful employment 562 00:14:31,839 --> 00:14:33,207 and purpose for his son. 563 00:14:31,839 --> 00:14:33,207 and purpose for his son. 564 00:14:33,307 --> 00:14:35,075 If we forced him to go out 565 00:14:35,142 --> 00:14:37,077 and try to find a minimum-wage job, 566 00:14:35,142 --> 00:14:37,077 and try to find a minimum-wage job, 567 00:14:37,144 --> 00:14:38,412 he would be unemployed. 568 00:14:38,512 --> 00:14:39,813 Yeah, you see? 569 00:14:39,913 --> 00:14:42,249 That's what makes this so complicated. 570 00:14:39,913 --> 00:14:42,249 That's what makes this so complicated. 571 00:14:42,349 --> 00:14:44,518 Many of the places that use this loophole 572 00:14:42,349 --> 00:14:44,518 Many of the places that use this loophole 573 00:14:44,618 --> 00:14:46,820 are called "sheltered workshops," 574 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,357 which exist to provide these jobs to disabled people. 575 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,357 which exist to provide these jobs to disabled people. 576 00:14:50,457 --> 00:14:54,228 So there's a legitimate concern that losing this wage loophole 577 00:14:50,457 --> 00:14:54,228 So there's a legitimate concern that losing this wage loophole 578 00:14:54,328 --> 00:14:56,396 might end up hurting the very people 579 00:14:54,328 --> 00:14:56,396 might end up hurting the very people 580 00:14:56,496 --> 00:14:57,764 they're trying to help. 581 00:14:57,865 --> 00:14:59,166 Because if they close down, 582 00:14:59,266 --> 00:15:02,369 some disabled people won't be able to get jobs at all. 583 00:14:59,266 --> 00:15:02,369 some disabled people won't be able to get jobs at all. 584 00:15:02,469 --> 00:15:03,937 And having a job is important. 585 00:15:04,037 --> 00:15:06,173 I mean, it gives you structure, it gives you a community, 586 00:15:06,273 --> 00:15:07,574 gives you a sense of purpose 587 00:15:07,674 --> 00:15:10,310 and an I.D. badge with the worst picture you've ever taken. 588 00:15:07,674 --> 00:15:10,310 and an I.D. badge with the worst picture you've ever taken. 589 00:15:10,410 --> 00:15:11,578 Keeps you humble. 590 00:15:11,678 --> 00:15:14,114 So you could see how this arrangement, 591 00:15:11,678 --> 00:15:14,114 So you could see how this arrangement, 592 00:15:14,214 --> 00:15:15,816 as messed up as it seems, 593 00:15:15,916 --> 00:15:17,751 might be better than nothing. 594 00:15:15,916 --> 00:15:17,751 might be better than nothing. 595 00:15:17,851 --> 00:15:20,120 At the same time, many advocates say that, 596 00:15:17,851 --> 00:15:20,120 At the same time, many advocates say that, 597 00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:22,656 by providing a safety net for the disabled, 598 00:15:22,756 --> 00:15:24,892 these sheltered workshops could actually 599 00:15:22,756 --> 00:15:24,892 these sheltered workshops could actually 600 00:15:25,058 --> 00:15:27,060 be doing more harm than good. 601 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,931 When it's legal to pay people less than the minimum wage, 602 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,931 When it's legal to pay people less than the minimum wage, 603 00:15:31,064 --> 00:15:34,168 often as little as 20 or 30 cents an hour, 604 00:15:31,064 --> 00:15:34,168 often as little as 20 or 30 cents an hour, 605 00:15:34,268 --> 00:15:36,770 uh, it raises serious questions about exploitation, 606 00:15:34,268 --> 00:15:36,770 uh, it raises serious questions about exploitation, 607 00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:38,772 uh, and whether people are really be giving 608 00:15:38,872 --> 00:15:40,941 an opportunity to reach their full potential. 609 00:15:38,872 --> 00:15:40,941 an opportunity to reach their full potential. 610 00:15:41,074 --> 00:15:44,378 The sheltered workshop system takes people 611 00:15:41,074 --> 00:15:44,378 The sheltered workshop system takes people 612 00:15:44,478 --> 00:15:46,847 and systematically tells them 613 00:15:46,947 --> 00:15:49,750 they're not as good as the rest of the workforce. 614 00:15:46,947 --> 00:15:49,750 they're not as good as the rest of the workforce. 615 00:15:49,850 --> 00:15:53,287 To me, it's not right that we're getting the pay that we get, 616 00:15:49,850 --> 00:15:53,287 To me, it's not right that we're getting the pay that we get, 617 00:15:53,387 --> 00:15:54,788 'cause we work hard over there. 618 00:15:54,888 --> 00:15:56,156 We work very hard. 619 00:15:54,888 --> 00:15:56,156 We work very hard. 620 00:15:56,256 --> 00:15:58,592 It's not like they're just helping them get any job. 621 00:15:58,692 --> 00:16:00,627 They help them get only the kinds of jobs 622 00:15:58,692 --> 00:16:00,627 They help them get only the kinds of jobs 623 00:16:00,727 --> 00:16:02,129 that this place has available. 624 00:16:02,229 --> 00:16:04,831 NEWSWOMAN: Ken Capone attended Johns Hopkins University. 625 00:16:02,229 --> 00:16:04,831 NEWSWOMAN: Ken Capone attended Johns Hopkins University. 626 00:16:04,932 --> 00:16:07,501 Ken also has cerebral palsy. 627 00:16:07,601 --> 00:16:09,069 Finding a job was difficult. 628 00:16:07,601 --> 00:16:09,069 Finding a job was difficult. 629 00:16:09,169 --> 00:16:11,471 He ended up in a sheltered workshop. 630 00:16:11,572 --> 00:16:13,040 CAPONE: Do you know how demeaning it was 631 00:16:11,572 --> 00:16:13,040 CAPONE: Do you know how demeaning it was 632 00:16:13,073 --> 00:16:14,608 going to a sheltered workshop 633 00:16:14,708 --> 00:16:17,277 after completing a difficult programing class? 634 00:16:14,708 --> 00:16:17,277 after completing a difficult programing class? 635 00:16:17,377 --> 00:16:19,479 NEWSWOMAN: He left after one day. 636 00:16:19,580 --> 00:16:23,150 CAPONE: But what if I did go back and work there? 637 00:16:19,580 --> 00:16:23,150 CAPONE: But what if I did go back and work there? 638 00:16:23,250 --> 00:16:25,619 I probably would have still been there working 639 00:16:23,250 --> 00:16:25,619 I probably would have still been there working 640 00:16:25,719 --> 00:16:27,221 for pennies on the dollar, 641 00:16:27,321 --> 00:16:29,489 not having the opportunities I have today. 642 00:16:27,321 --> 00:16:29,489 not having the opportunities I have today. 643 00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:32,192 Yeah, you see? This makes sense, too. 644 00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:32,192 Yeah, you see? This makes sense, too. 645 00:16:32,292 --> 00:16:34,494 If society pushes disabled people 646 00:16:34,595 --> 00:16:37,297 into these low-wage workshops, it tells them 647 00:16:34,595 --> 00:16:37,297 into these low-wage workshops, it tells them 648 00:16:37,397 --> 00:16:39,233 that this is where they're supposed to be, 649 00:16:39,333 --> 00:16:42,369 and it limits their potential, because we know 650 00:16:39,333 --> 00:16:42,369 and it limits their potential, because we know 651 00:16:42,469 --> 00:16:44,338 that disabled people are capable of doing great things. 652 00:16:42,469 --> 00:16:44,338 that disabled people are capable of doing great things. 653 00:16:44,438 --> 00:16:48,108 I mean, Stephen Hawking was an astrophysicist, even with ALS. 654 00:16:44,438 --> 00:16:48,108 I mean, Stephen Hawking was an astrophysicist, even with ALS. 655 00:16:48,208 --> 00:16:51,245 Franklin Roosevelt-- he ran the country from a wheelchair. 656 00:16:51,345 --> 00:16:53,614 Stevie Wonder is the reason that "Happy Birthday" is better 657 00:16:51,345 --> 00:16:53,614 Stevie Wonder is the reason that "Happy Birthday" is better 658 00:16:53,714 --> 00:16:55,716 at Black birthday parties than white birthday parties. 659 00:16:55,816 --> 00:16:57,818 And, look, this whole idea 660 00:16:55,816 --> 00:16:57,818 And, look, this whole idea 661 00:16:57,918 --> 00:16:59,720 that disabled people shouldn't be paid the same 662 00:16:59,820 --> 00:17:02,389 as able-bodied people because they're not as productive-- 663 00:16:59,820 --> 00:17:02,389 as able-bodied people because they're not as productive-- 664 00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:04,858 like, I don't know about that argument, guys. 665 00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:04,858 like, I don't know about that argument, guys. 666 00:17:05,025 --> 00:17:07,528 Because it's not like every able-bodied person is great 667 00:17:07,628 --> 00:17:09,029 at their job, either. 668 00:17:07,628 --> 00:17:09,029 at their job, either. 669 00:17:09,062 --> 00:17:11,832 If you ask me, disabled people should have the right 670 00:17:11,932 --> 00:17:14,067 to be as shitty at their jobs as everyone else. 671 00:17:11,932 --> 00:17:14,067 to be as shitty at their jobs as everyone else. 672 00:17:14,168 --> 00:17:16,403 Yeah, they should also be able to show up late, 673 00:17:14,168 --> 00:17:16,403 Yeah, they should also be able to show up late, 674 00:17:16,503 --> 00:17:19,139 do just enough work to not get fired, 675 00:17:19,239 --> 00:17:20,340 play Fruit Ninja in the bathroom, 676 00:17:19,239 --> 00:17:20,340 play Fruit Ninja in the bathroom, 677 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,042 and then leave at 4:30 on the dot. 678 00:17:22,109 --> 00:17:24,111 That, my friends, is equality. 679 00:17:22,109 --> 00:17:24,111 That, my friends, is equality. 680 00:17:24,211 --> 00:17:27,047 Anyway, for more on this debate, we're joined 681 00:17:27,147 --> 00:17:29,349 by Illinois Senator Tammy Duckworth. 682 00:17:27,147 --> 00:17:29,349 by Illinois Senator Tammy Duckworth. 683 00:17:29,449 --> 00:17:32,252 Senator Duckworth, welcome to The Daily Show. 684 00:17:29,449 --> 00:17:32,252 Senator Duckworth, welcome to The Daily Show. 685 00:17:32,352 --> 00:17:34,254 It's good to be on. Thank you for having me. 686 00:17:34,354 --> 00:17:35,689 This is a topic 687 00:17:35,789 --> 00:17:37,591 that I know is really near and dear to your heart, 688 00:17:35,789 --> 00:17:37,591 that I know is really near and dear to your heart, 689 00:17:37,691 --> 00:17:39,693 because you're not just a combat veteran, 690 00:17:39,793 --> 00:17:42,496 but you're a combat veteran with a disability, 691 00:17:39,793 --> 00:17:42,496 but you're a combat veteran with a disability, 692 00:17:42,596 --> 00:17:44,932 who went into a capitol building 693 00:17:42,596 --> 00:17:44,932 who went into a capitol building 694 00:17:45,065 --> 00:17:47,601 that really wasn't designed for somebody like you 695 00:17:47,701 --> 00:17:49,436 or anybody with a disability, for that matter. 696 00:17:47,701 --> 00:17:49,436 or anybody with a disability, for that matter. 697 00:17:49,536 --> 00:17:52,739 And you've been at the forefront of advocating for equality. 698 00:17:49,536 --> 00:17:52,739 And you've been at the forefront of advocating for equality. 699 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,208 So let's start at the top level. 700 00:17:54,308 --> 00:17:55,809 What do you think are some of the issues 701 00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:57,444 that are still standing in the way 702 00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:57,444 that are still standing in the way 703 00:17:57,544 --> 00:17:59,813 of disabled people in America being able 704 00:17:59,913 --> 00:18:02,015 to get a fair wage and being able to get a job 705 00:17:59,913 --> 00:18:02,015 to get a fair wage and being able to get a job 706 00:18:02,115 --> 00:18:04,818 that can sustain them, you know, to live? 707 00:18:02,115 --> 00:18:04,818 that can sustain them, you know, to live? 708 00:18:04,918 --> 00:18:06,854 Well, it's everything from prejudice 709 00:18:07,020 --> 00:18:09,656 that they're going to be more expensive to employ, 710 00:18:07,020 --> 00:18:09,656 that they're going to be more expensive to employ, 711 00:18:09,756 --> 00:18:12,292 or that you're going to have to do something with your workplace 712 00:18:09,756 --> 00:18:12,292 or that you're going to have to do something with your workplace 713 00:18:12,392 --> 00:18:14,161 to accommodate somebody with disabilities, 714 00:18:14,261 --> 00:18:15,796 and that's going to cost too much money. 715 00:18:15,896 --> 00:18:17,231 Um, that's really... 716 00:18:15,896 --> 00:18:17,231 Um, that's really... 717 00:18:17,331 --> 00:18:18,665 You know, those are really false arguments. 718 00:18:18,765 --> 00:18:20,067 In fact, studies show 719 00:18:18,765 --> 00:18:20,067 In fact, studies show 720 00:18:20,167 --> 00:18:22,669 that when per... a disabled person lands a job, 721 00:18:22,769 --> 00:18:25,639 they become very loyal, and they stay in those jobs 722 00:18:22,769 --> 00:18:25,639 they become very loyal, and they stay in those jobs 723 00:18:25,739 --> 00:18:27,875 for far longer than anybody else. 724 00:18:28,041 --> 00:18:30,043 There's far less turnover with persons with disabilities 725 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:31,645 once they're able to land a job. 726 00:18:31,745 --> 00:18:34,515 Um, and they make really good, productive employees 727 00:18:31,745 --> 00:18:34,515 Um, and they make really good, productive employees 728 00:18:34,615 --> 00:18:35,716 once they can get employment. 729 00:18:35,816 --> 00:18:37,885 But people with disabilities suffer 730 00:18:35,816 --> 00:18:37,885 But people with disabilities suffer 731 00:18:38,051 --> 00:18:42,155 very, very high unemployment rates, well over 50%. 732 00:18:38,051 --> 00:18:42,155 very, very high unemployment rates, well over 50%. 733 00:18:42,256 --> 00:18:43,624 Um, in your home state of Illinois, 734 00:18:43,724 --> 00:18:46,226 the governor just signed an executive order, um, 735 00:18:43,724 --> 00:18:46,226 the governor just signed an executive order, um, 736 00:18:46,326 --> 00:18:49,363 denying companies, or really government contractors, 737 00:18:46,326 --> 00:18:49,363 denying companies, or really government contractors, 738 00:18:49,463 --> 00:18:50,964 from hiring people with disabilities 739 00:18:51,064 --> 00:18:52,399 at sub-minimum wage. 740 00:18:51,064 --> 00:18:52,399 at sub-minimum wage. 741 00:18:52,499 --> 00:18:54,601 Many even within the disabled community will say, 742 00:18:54,701 --> 00:18:56,937 "Hey, we can't transition into normal jobs. 743 00:18:54,701 --> 00:18:56,937 "Hey, we can't transition into normal jobs. 744 00:18:57,070 --> 00:18:58,405 "We can't do everything 745 00:18:58,505 --> 00:19:01,208 "that these companies require us... require us to do. 746 00:18:58,505 --> 00:19:01,208 "that these companies require us... require us to do. 747 00:19:01,308 --> 00:19:04,511 "And so, some of these moments, some of these experiences 748 00:19:01,308 --> 00:19:04,511 "And so, some of these moments, some of these experiences 749 00:19:04,611 --> 00:19:06,079 "are less about the income 750 00:19:06,180 --> 00:19:08,882 and more about us being a part of society." 751 00:19:06,180 --> 00:19:08,882 and more about us being a part of society." 752 00:19:09,016 --> 00:19:12,853 So to those people, what do you... what do you say to them? 753 00:19:09,016 --> 00:19:12,853 So to those people, what do you... what do you say to them? 754 00:19:13,020 --> 00:19:14,621 Do you...? Are you concerned at all 755 00:19:14,721 --> 00:19:16,023 that they will lose an opportunity 756 00:19:14,721 --> 00:19:16,023 that they will lose an opportunity 757 00:19:16,089 --> 00:19:17,324 to be part of something? 758 00:19:17,424 --> 00:19:18,692 Or do you think there's a world 759 00:19:18,792 --> 00:19:20,194 where the companies won't now say, 760 00:19:18,792 --> 00:19:20,194 where the companies won't now say, 761 00:19:20,294 --> 00:19:23,430 "There's no reason to hire them," or "We should hire them"? 762 00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:24,898 Well, these companies are saying, 763 00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:24,898 Well, these companies are saying, 764 00:19:25,032 --> 00:19:26,433 "Well, if don't incentivize us, 765 00:19:26,533 --> 00:19:28,035 we're not gonna hire someone with a disability." 766 00:19:26,533 --> 00:19:28,035 we're not gonna hire someone with a disability." 767 00:19:28,135 --> 00:19:29,603 Yet, the people with the disability 768 00:19:29,703 --> 00:19:31,305 have been doing that work. 769 00:19:31,405 --> 00:19:33,674 It doesn't make sense. This argument doesn't make sense. 770 00:19:31,405 --> 00:19:33,674 It doesn't make sense. This argument doesn't make sense. 771 00:19:33,774 --> 00:19:35,042 If they're already doing the job, 772 00:19:35,142 --> 00:19:36,577 you should pay them the same pay. 773 00:19:35,142 --> 00:19:36,577 you should pay them the same pay. 774 00:19:36,677 --> 00:19:38,545 And many of these companies actually have 775 00:19:38,645 --> 00:19:41,248 non-disabled workers doing the same job, 776 00:19:38,645 --> 00:19:41,248 non-disabled workers doing the same job, 777 00:19:41,348 --> 00:19:43,250 but they're paying a far higher salary. 778 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:46,620 But because this law exists on the books, they're allowed 779 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:46,620 But because this law exists on the books, they're allowed 780 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,957 to basically exploit people with intellectual disabilities, 781 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,957 to basically exploit people with intellectual disabilities, 782 00:19:50,057 --> 00:19:51,825 in particular, um, 783 00:19:51,925 --> 00:19:53,927 to do work that they're paying somebody else 784 00:19:51,925 --> 00:19:53,927 to do work that they're paying somebody else 785 00:19:54,061 --> 00:19:56,430 to do the same work a higher wage. 786 00:19:54,061 --> 00:19:56,430 to do the same work a higher wage. 787 00:19:56,530 --> 00:20:00,033 And that simply is not fair, and, frankly, un-American. 788 00:19:56,530 --> 00:20:00,033 And that simply is not fair, and, frankly, un-American. 789 00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:02,102 Do you think there's a way to protect these workers, 790 00:20:02,202 --> 00:20:04,371 you know, once this law goes into effect? 791 00:20:02,202 --> 00:20:04,371 you know, once this law goes into effect? 792 00:20:04,471 --> 00:20:05,572 Do you think there's a way to protect them 793 00:20:05,672 --> 00:20:07,007 from losing their jobs? 794 00:20:07,107 --> 00:20:09,009 You know, whether it would be spite from the companies, 795 00:20:07,107 --> 00:20:09,009 You know, whether it would be spite from the companies, 796 00:20:09,109 --> 00:20:10,744 or just them trying to prove a point? 797 00:20:10,844 --> 00:20:13,881 Well, we're seeing, um, that-that many 798 00:20:10,844 --> 00:20:13,881 Well, we're seeing, um, that-that many 799 00:20:13,981 --> 00:20:16,450 of these companies that had this argument previously 800 00:20:13,981 --> 00:20:16,450 of these companies that had this argument previously 801 00:20:16,550 --> 00:20:19,019 have actually moved away from the sub-minimum wage, 802 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,055 and they have not employed fewer persons with disabilities. 803 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,055 and they have not employed fewer persons with disabilities. 804 00:20:22,155 --> 00:20:23,690 In fact, they've employed the same people, 805 00:20:23,790 --> 00:20:25,759 and they just started paying them the minimum wage. 806 00:20:23,790 --> 00:20:25,759 and they just started paying them the minimum wage. 807 00:20:25,859 --> 00:20:27,794 So we see that this is an empty argument. 808 00:20:27,895 --> 00:20:31,031 So there's this intimidation that's going on, um, 809 00:20:27,895 --> 00:20:31,031 So there's this intimidation that's going on, um, 810 00:20:31,131 --> 00:20:33,800 to really prey on the fears of both the adults 811 00:20:31,131 --> 00:20:33,800 to really prey on the fears of both the adults 812 00:20:33,901 --> 00:20:35,302 -with intellectual disabilities... -Mm-hmm. 813 00:20:35,402 --> 00:20:36,770 ...but also their family members. 814 00:20:35,402 --> 00:20:36,770 ...but also their family members. 815 00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:39,173 And I feel that what we need to be working towards 816 00:20:39,273 --> 00:20:40,874 is an integrated work environment 817 00:20:39,273 --> 00:20:40,874 is an integrated work environment 818 00:20:40,974 --> 00:20:43,243 where we do make accommodations. 819 00:20:43,343 --> 00:20:46,013 Target does a great job of hiring, uh, 820 00:20:43,343 --> 00:20:46,013 Target does a great job of hiring, uh, 821 00:20:46,113 --> 00:20:47,614 persons with intellectual disabilities. 822 00:20:47,714 --> 00:20:49,616 And they-they stock the shelves. 823 00:20:47,714 --> 00:20:49,616 And they-they stock the shelves. 824 00:20:49,716 --> 00:20:51,151 Some of them even work the registers. 825 00:20:51,251 --> 00:20:52,853 And they're working alongside any 826 00:20:51,251 --> 00:20:52,853 And they're working alongside any 827 00:20:52,953 --> 00:20:54,188 of the other Target team members. 828 00:20:54,288 --> 00:20:56,790 We have grocery stores, uh, um, uh, 829 00:20:54,288 --> 00:20:56,790 We have grocery stores, uh, um, uh, 830 00:20:56,890 --> 00:20:58,926 that do the same thing. 831 00:20:59,026 --> 00:21:01,828 So we've seen that this model that we should be going to 832 00:20:59,026 --> 00:21:01,828 So we've seen that this model that we should be going to 833 00:21:01,929 --> 00:21:04,598 -already exists, and is successful. -Mm-hmm. 834 00:21:01,929 --> 00:21:04,598 -already exists, and is successful. -Mm-hmm. 835 00:21:04,698 --> 00:21:07,167 And we can start ditching these old, you know, models 836 00:21:07,267 --> 00:21:09,403 from not just the 20th century, but the 19th century, 837 00:21:07,267 --> 00:21:09,403 from not just the 20th century, but the 19th century, 838 00:21:09,503 --> 00:21:11,505 when we take people with disabilities 839 00:21:11,605 --> 00:21:13,640 and put them in a segregated work environment 840 00:21:11,605 --> 00:21:13,640 and put them in a segregated work environment 841 00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:15,209 and then pay them less. 842 00:21:15,309 --> 00:21:17,711 Well, um, congratulations on the fight. 843 00:21:15,309 --> 00:21:17,711 Well, um, congratulations on the fight. 844 00:21:17,811 --> 00:21:21,548 I, um, I know we support you in the movement going forward. 845 00:21:17,811 --> 00:21:21,548 I, um, I know we support you in the movement going forward. 846 00:21:21,648 --> 00:21:23,083 And, um, I know we've got to let you go. 847 00:21:23,150 --> 00:21:24,852 So thank you so much for taking the time. 848 00:21:23,150 --> 00:21:24,852 So thank you so much for taking the time. 849 00:21:24,952 --> 00:21:26,920 Thank you so much for covering this issue. 850 00:21:27,087 --> 00:21:28,822 All right, when we come back, 851 00:21:27,087 --> 00:21:28,822 All right, when we come back, 852 00:21:28,922 --> 00:21:31,592 how much are you keeping up on the news? 853 00:21:31,692 --> 00:21:35,729 Well, Michael Kosta is going to find out. He's behind you. 854 00:21:31,692 --> 00:21:35,729 Well, Michael Kosta is going to find out. He's behind you. 855 00:21:39,132 --> 00:21:40,299 Welcome back to The Daily Show. 856 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,335 Here at the show, we pay a lot of attention 857 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,335 Here at the show, we pay a lot of attention 858 00:21:42,435 --> 00:21:44,103 to what's going on in the news. 859 00:21:44,203 --> 00:21:47,006 But how much are the people right outside our studio 860 00:21:44,203 --> 00:21:47,006 But how much are the people right outside our studio 861 00:21:47,106 --> 00:21:48,875 following along? 862 00:21:48,975 --> 00:21:51,511 Well, we sent Michael Kosta to find out. 863 00:21:48,975 --> 00:21:51,511 Well, we sent Michael Kosta to find out. 864 00:21:51,611 --> 00:21:53,413 All right, welcome to Fill Me In, 865 00:21:53,513 --> 00:21:56,616 the game show where you fill in the... 866 00:21:53,513 --> 00:21:56,616 the game show where you fill in the... 867 00:21:58,084 --> 00:21:59,752 News. 868 00:21:58,084 --> 00:21:59,752 News. 869 00:21:59,852 --> 00:22:01,521 Blank. 870 00:22:01,621 --> 00:22:04,657 ♪ ♪ 871 00:22:01,621 --> 00:22:04,657 ♪ ♪ 872 00:22:04,757 --> 00:22:07,193 Okay, let's get started. 873 00:22:04,757 --> 00:22:07,193 Okay, let's get started. 874 00:22:07,293 --> 00:22:09,829 Republican senator Chuck Grassley. 875 00:22:09,929 --> 00:22:11,798 -You know who he is? -No. 876 00:22:09,929 --> 00:22:11,798 -You know who he is? -No. 877 00:22:11,898 --> 00:22:13,366 -He's a Republican senator. -Okay. 878 00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:15,568 I just told you that. 879 00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:15,568 I just told you that. 880 00:22:15,668 --> 00:22:17,603 Chuck Grassley, 88-year-old senator. 881 00:22:17,704 --> 00:22:20,206 -Okay. -He recently tweeted, quote, 882 00:22:17,704 --> 00:22:20,206 -Okay. -He recently tweeted, quote, 883 00:22:20,306 --> 00:22:23,643 "It's 4:00 a.m. in Iowa, so I'm" blank. 884 00:22:20,306 --> 00:22:23,643 "It's 4:00 a.m. in Iowa, so I'm" blank. 885 00:22:23,743 --> 00:22:25,912 He's hitting the restroom. 886 00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:28,014 -Drinking coffee. -Why would you say that? 887 00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:28,014 -Drinking coffee. -Why would you say that? 888 00:22:28,114 --> 00:22:30,116 Uh, because he's 88 years old. 889 00:22:30,216 --> 00:22:33,219 And if you're 88 and you're not drinking coffee, you are... 890 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:35,988 -Boring! -Dead! Correct. 891 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:35,988 -Boring! -Dead! Correct. 892 00:22:36,089 --> 00:22:38,124 -Milking the cows? -No, that's not what he said. 893 00:22:38,224 --> 00:22:39,992 He said he was running. 894 00:22:40,093 --> 00:22:41,794 Oh. That sounds like a lie. 895 00:22:41,894 --> 00:22:42,929 Why do you say that? 896 00:22:41,894 --> 00:22:42,929 Why do you say that? 897 00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:44,497 'Cause he's 88 and he looks like that. 898 00:22:44,597 --> 00:22:47,100 I mean, my grandpa's 88. I don't even like him standing. 899 00:22:44,597 --> 00:22:47,100 I mean, my grandpa's 88. I don't even like him standing. 900 00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:50,036 Zero points on the board. It's still anyone's game. 901 00:22:50,136 --> 00:22:53,940 Alabama Republican Tim James is running for governor, 902 00:22:50,136 --> 00:22:53,940 Alabama Republican Tim James is running for governor, 903 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,075 vowing to, quote, 904 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,075 vowing to, quote, 905 00:22:56,242 --> 00:22:59,245 "fight the beast with three heads: 906 00:22:56,242 --> 00:22:59,245 "fight the beast with three heads: 907 00:22:59,312 --> 00:23:00,947 "critical race theory, 908 00:23:01,047 --> 00:23:02,815 "transgender rights 909 00:23:01,047 --> 00:23:02,815 "transgender rights 910 00:23:02,915 --> 00:23:06,319 "and" blank "in public schools." 911 00:23:02,915 --> 00:23:06,319 "and" blank "in public schools." 912 00:23:06,419 --> 00:23:08,421 -Masks. -Masks. 913 00:23:08,521 --> 00:23:10,256 Okay, think dumber than masks. 914 00:23:08,521 --> 00:23:10,256 Okay, think dumber than masks. 915 00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:12,125 I don't know, basic human rights? 916 00:23:12,258 --> 00:23:13,593 Think less threatening. 917 00:23:13,693 --> 00:23:16,162 I-I... Religious freedom? 918 00:23:13,693 --> 00:23:16,162 I-I... Religious freedom? 919 00:23:16,262 --> 00:23:19,098 -Even less threatening than re... -(chuckles) 920 00:23:16,262 --> 00:23:19,098 -Even less threatening than re... -(chuckles) 921 00:23:19,265 --> 00:23:22,402 -Evolution. Oh, my God. -Ev... Even less thr... 922 00:23:19,265 --> 00:23:22,402 -Evolution. Oh, my God. -Ev... Even less thr... 923 00:23:22,502 --> 00:23:23,736 What is something 924 00:23:23,836 --> 00:23:26,706 that maybe you've done in the last month 925 00:23:23,836 --> 00:23:26,706 that maybe you've done in the last month 926 00:23:26,806 --> 00:23:29,909 that made you feel centered? Look, I'm doing it right now. 927 00:23:30,009 --> 00:23:31,544 -Yoga. -Yoga. 928 00:23:30,009 --> 00:23:31,544 -Yoga. -Yoga. 929 00:23:31,644 --> 00:23:33,579 -Are you kidding me? -Alabama Republican. 930 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,181 Hey, that's good enough for one point. 931 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,181 Hey, that's good enough for one point. 932 00:23:35,281 --> 00:23:36,416 Next question. 933 00:23:36,516 --> 00:23:37,717 You're gonna love this next one. 934 00:23:37,817 --> 00:23:39,952 A lyric from a new Kanye West album. 935 00:23:37,817 --> 00:23:39,952 A lyric from a new Kanye West album. 936 00:23:40,053 --> 00:23:42,488 -(laughs) What? -"Some say Adam could never be Black 937 00:23:40,053 --> 00:23:42,488 -(laughs) What? -"Some say Adam could never be Black 938 00:23:42,588 --> 00:23:46,626 'cause a Black man will never" blank. 939 00:23:42,588 --> 00:23:46,626 'cause a Black man will never" blank. 940 00:23:46,726 --> 00:23:49,395 -White guy, I would sit this one out. -Yeah, I was about to say 941 00:23:49,495 --> 00:23:50,697 I'm not gonna say a single thing 942 00:23:49,495 --> 00:23:50,697 I'm not gonna say a single thing 943 00:23:50,797 --> 00:23:52,598 -about this one. -Yo, yo, I'm sitting this one out. 944 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:54,701 Don't be shy. You won't get canceled. 945 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:54,701 Don't be shy. You won't get canceled. 946 00:23:54,801 --> 00:23:56,235 This is TV. It's not Twitter. 947 00:23:56,336 --> 00:23:57,337 -Black men don't cheat. -(laughs) 948 00:23:57,437 --> 00:23:58,871 -Cheat. -Get cheated on? 949 00:23:57,437 --> 00:23:58,871 -Cheat. -Get cheated on? 950 00:23:58,971 --> 00:24:01,507 Cheat. It is... wrong! 951 00:24:01,607 --> 00:24:03,276 "Some say Adam could never be Black 952 00:24:01,607 --> 00:24:03,276 "Some say Adam could never be Black 953 00:24:03,376 --> 00:24:05,945 -'cause a Black man will never..." -Die. 954 00:24:06,045 --> 00:24:08,614 Die. A Black man will never die? Is that accurate? 955 00:24:06,045 --> 00:24:08,614 Die. A Black man will never die? Is that accurate? 956 00:24:08,715 --> 00:24:10,917 -I don't know. Maybe. -You don't know. How about this? 957 00:24:08,715 --> 00:24:10,917 -I don't know. Maybe. -You don't know. How about this? 958 00:24:11,017 --> 00:24:12,318 -(chuckles) -What if I told you the answer 959 00:24:12,418 --> 00:24:15,455 was "share his rib"? 960 00:24:12,418 --> 00:24:15,455 was "share his rib"? 961 00:24:15,555 --> 00:24:16,956 Wow. 962 00:24:17,056 --> 00:24:18,424 Now I'm gonna get canceled. 963 00:24:17,056 --> 00:24:18,424 Now I'm gonna get canceled. 964 00:24:18,524 --> 00:24:21,794 Let's give some people a chance for double points. 965 00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:23,763 This one, I'm not gonna give you the speaker. 966 00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:23,763 This one, I'm not gonna give you the speaker. 967 00:24:23,863 --> 00:24:25,965 -Okay. -But if you can guess who said this, 968 00:24:26,065 --> 00:24:27,166 I'll give you bonus points. 969 00:24:26,065 --> 00:24:27,166 I'll give you bonus points. 970 00:24:27,266 --> 00:24:29,502 Who said, "I'm more of a blank 971 00:24:29,602 --> 00:24:32,005 than I am a politician"? 972 00:24:29,602 --> 00:24:32,005 than I am a politician"? 973 00:24:32,105 --> 00:24:35,141 -Trump has said it in some form. -Okay. 974 00:24:32,105 --> 00:24:35,141 -Trump has said it in some form. -Okay. 975 00:24:35,274 --> 00:24:38,878 -This man looks great with his shirt off. -Putin? 976 00:24:35,274 --> 00:24:38,878 -This man looks great with his shirt off. -Putin? 977 00:24:38,978 --> 00:24:40,213 Do you think Putin looks great with his shirt off? 978 00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:42,081 -I don't, but he say he does. -(laughs) 979 00:24:42,215 --> 00:24:44,384 -That jumped right out though. -Yeah, right. -(laughs) 980 00:24:44,484 --> 00:24:46,252 Does this help? 981 00:24:44,484 --> 00:24:46,252 Does this help? 982 00:24:46,352 --> 00:24:47,987 MAN: Oh. Uh, yeah, 983 00:24:48,087 --> 00:24:49,455 I should definitely know who that dude is. 984 00:24:49,555 --> 00:24:51,557 -Is this... -Wasn't he Batman? 985 00:24:49,555 --> 00:24:51,557 -Is this... -Wasn't he Batman? 986 00:24:51,657 --> 00:24:53,593 Sure. Absolutely, he was Batman. 987 00:24:53,693 --> 00:24:54,627 -Matthew McConaughey? -Matthew? 988 00:24:53,693 --> 00:24:54,627 -Matthew McConaughey? -Matthew? 989 00:24:54,727 --> 00:24:55,928 KOSTA: Matthew McConaughey'd. 990 00:24:56,029 --> 00:24:58,698 What is he more of than a politician? 991 00:24:56,029 --> 00:24:58,698 What is he more of than a politician? 992 00:24:58,798 --> 00:25:01,434 -A stud. -You think he said, "I'm more of a stud 993 00:25:01,534 --> 00:25:02,902 -than a politician"? -(chuckles) 994 00:25:01,534 --> 00:25:02,902 -than a politician"? -(chuckles) 995 00:25:03,002 --> 00:25:04,771 This is what he said: 996 00:25:11,144 --> 00:25:13,112 Isn't that kind of a badass answer? 997 00:25:13,246 --> 00:25:14,881 No. I don't think so. 998 00:25:13,246 --> 00:25:14,881 No. I don't think so. 999 00:25:14,981 --> 00:25:17,583 KOSTA: Congratulations to everyone who played. 1000 00:25:17,684 --> 00:25:19,085 Let's find out what they won. 1001 00:25:17,684 --> 00:25:19,085 Let's find out what they won. 1002 00:25:19,252 --> 00:25:20,486 Okay, here's your prize. 1003 00:25:20,586 --> 00:25:22,355 You get a photograph of Chuck Grassley. 1004 00:25:20,586 --> 00:25:22,355 You get a photograph of Chuck Grassley. 1005 00:25:22,455 --> 00:25:24,757 Put it in your bathroom. It'll be a reminder to use sunscreen. 1006 00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:26,092 -I don't want that. -You don't want that? 1007 00:25:26,259 --> 00:25:27,360 -I do not. -She doesn't want it. 1008 00:25:27,460 --> 00:25:28,795 Thank you, Mo. Bye! 1009 00:25:28,895 --> 00:25:30,363 ♪ ♪ 1010 00:25:28,895 --> 00:25:30,363 ♪ ♪ 1011 00:25:30,463 --> 00:25:31,731 Thank you so much for that, Michael. 1012 00:25:31,831 --> 00:25:34,000 All right, when we come back, author Michael Pollan 1013 00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:36,869 is gonna try to convince me to take drugs. 1014 00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:36,869 is gonna try to convince me to take drugs. 1015 00:25:36,969 --> 00:25:38,204 You don't want to miss it. 1016 00:25:36,969 --> 00:25:38,204 You don't want to miss it. 1017 00:25:38,304 --> 00:25:39,939 And neither do I. Oh, this is gonna be exciting. 1018 00:25:42,075 --> 00:25:43,376 Welcome back to The Daily Show. 1019 00:25:43,476 --> 00:25:45,345 My guest tonight is bestselling author Michael Pollan. 1020 00:25:43,476 --> 00:25:45,345 My guest tonight is bestselling author Michael Pollan. 1021 00:25:45,445 --> 00:25:47,780 He's here to talk about his brand-new book 1022 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,917 about the human attraction to psychoactive plants 1023 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,917 about the human attraction to psychoactive plants 1024 00:25:51,017 --> 00:25:52,785 and how we think about drugs. 1025 00:25:52,885 --> 00:25:54,320 Michael Pollan, welcome to the show. 1026 00:25:52,885 --> 00:25:54,320 Michael Pollan, welcome to the show. 1027 00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:55,788 Hey, Trevor. Good to be here. 1028 00:25:55,888 --> 00:25:57,390 It's really a pleasure to have you here. 1029 00:25:55,888 --> 00:25:57,390 It's really a pleasure to have you here. 1030 00:25:57,490 --> 00:25:59,392 Like me, many... most people were exposed to your work 1031 00:25:59,492 --> 00:26:00,627 -first through food. -Yeah. 1032 00:26:00,727 --> 00:26:02,295 You know? It was food, it was food, it was food. 1033 00:26:00,727 --> 00:26:02,295 You know? It was food, it was food, it was food. 1034 00:26:02,395 --> 00:26:04,664 And then all of a sudden, it was drugs. 1035 00:26:04,764 --> 00:26:06,099 What changed for you? 1036 00:26:04,764 --> 00:26:06,099 What changed for you? 1037 00:26:06,199 --> 00:26:08,501 Well, it didn't change for me that much. 1038 00:26:08,601 --> 00:26:11,404 My interest in food was part of my broader interest 1039 00:26:08,601 --> 00:26:11,404 My interest in food was part of my broader interest 1040 00:26:11,504 --> 00:26:13,740 in the human relationship to other species, 1041 00:26:11,504 --> 00:26:13,740 in the human relationship to other species, 1042 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,174 -plants especially. -Mm-hmm. 1043 00:26:15,275 --> 00:26:17,810 What do we use plants for? What desires do they gratify? 1044 00:26:15,275 --> 00:26:17,810 What do we use plants for? What desires do they gratify? 1045 00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:19,579 Obviously, food is the biggest one 1046 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:21,314 and the first one you would do. 1047 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:21,314 and the first one you would do. 1048 00:26:21,414 --> 00:26:25,051 But the other thing plants have done for us, for all of history, 1049 00:26:25,151 --> 00:26:28,054 every culture on the planet, basically, 1050 00:26:28,154 --> 00:26:29,889 is change consciousness. 1051 00:26:28,154 --> 00:26:29,889 is change consciousness. 1052 00:26:29,989 --> 00:26:31,557 So, um... 1053 00:26:31,658 --> 00:26:34,127 health, plants and ingestion. 1054 00:26:31,658 --> 00:26:34,127 health, plants and ingestion. 1055 00:26:34,227 --> 00:26:36,829 Those are the three things that made me think 1056 00:26:36,929 --> 00:26:38,398 I have to do this next. 1057 00:26:36,929 --> 00:26:38,398 I have to do this next. 1058 00:26:38,498 --> 00:26:41,167 And then I started hearing about this incredible research, 1059 00:26:38,498 --> 00:26:41,167 And then I started hearing about this incredible research, 1060 00:26:41,234 --> 00:26:44,404 -Right. -using psychedelics, psilocybin mushrooms, 1061 00:26:44,504 --> 00:26:45,938 to heal mental illness. 1062 00:26:44,504 --> 00:26:45,938 to heal mental illness. 1063 00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:48,708 And that struck me as such a strange idea 1064 00:26:48,808 --> 00:26:51,778 that I just had to delve in and see what was going on. 1065 00:26:48,808 --> 00:26:51,778 that I just had to delve in and see what was going on. 1066 00:26:51,878 --> 00:26:54,514 It feels like you discovered, you know, 1067 00:26:51,878 --> 00:26:54,514 It feels like you discovered, you know, 1068 00:26:54,614 --> 00:26:57,583 Shangri-la or, you know, some... Atlantis or... 1069 00:26:54,614 --> 00:26:57,583 Shangri-la or, you know, some... Atlantis or... 1070 00:26:57,684 --> 00:27:00,219 -because that research has been hidden for so long. -Buried. 1071 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,188 -Yeah, it's been buried. -And that was... 1072 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,188 -Yeah, it's been buried. -And that was... 1073 00:27:02,255 --> 00:27:03,723 that was a real surprise to me. 1074 00:27:03,823 --> 00:27:05,692 When I started... I read about these studies 1075 00:27:03,823 --> 00:27:05,692 When I started... I read about these studies 1076 00:27:05,792 --> 00:27:07,827 where they were using psilocybin to help cancer patients 1077 00:27:07,927 --> 00:27:10,496 -deal with their depression and anxiety, -Mm-hmm. 1078 00:27:07,927 --> 00:27:10,496 -deal with their depression and anxiety, -Mm-hmm. 1079 00:27:10,596 --> 00:27:13,499 um, and I thought that this was a brand-new thing, 1080 00:27:10,596 --> 00:27:13,499 um, and I thought that this was a brand-new thing, 1081 00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:15,868 and, like most people, I thought of psychedelics 1082 00:27:15,969 --> 00:27:17,203 as a '60s things. 1083 00:27:15,969 --> 00:27:17,203 as a '60s things. 1084 00:27:17,236 --> 00:27:19,505 -Yes. -But it turns out that through the '50s 1085 00:27:19,605 --> 00:27:22,875 and into the 60s, there was a lot of very serious research 1086 00:27:19,605 --> 00:27:22,875 and into the 60s, there was a lot of very serious research 1087 00:27:22,976 --> 00:27:26,479 using LSD and psilocybin as treatment for mental illness. 1088 00:27:22,976 --> 00:27:26,479 using LSD and psilocybin as treatment for mental illness. 1089 00:27:26,579 --> 00:27:28,748 And they were getting really good results. 1090 00:27:28,848 --> 00:27:31,484 They were having great success dealing with alcoholism, 1091 00:27:28,848 --> 00:27:31,484 They were having great success dealing with alcoholism, 1092 00:27:31,584 --> 00:27:34,053 -breaking people of those habits. -Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 1093 00:27:31,584 --> 00:27:34,053 -breaking people of those habits. -Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 1094 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:36,222 And there was... it was, um... 1095 00:27:36,322 --> 00:27:38,124 LSD Was considered a wonder drug, 1096 00:27:36,322 --> 00:27:38,124 LSD Was considered a wonder drug, 1097 00:27:38,224 --> 00:27:39,559 and there were conferences 1098 00:27:39,659 --> 00:27:41,961 and a thousand peer-reviewed papers, 1099 00:27:39,659 --> 00:27:41,961 and a thousand peer-reviewed papers, 1100 00:27:42,061 --> 00:27:44,831 -Wow. -six international conferences. 1101 00:27:44,931 --> 00:27:46,633 And then it stops. 1102 00:27:44,931 --> 00:27:46,633 And then it stops. 1103 00:27:46,733 --> 00:27:48,201 There's this kind of moral panic 1104 00:27:48,301 --> 00:27:50,169 in the late '60s about psychedelics, 1105 00:27:48,301 --> 00:27:50,169 in the late '60s about psychedelics, 1106 00:27:50,236 --> 00:27:53,940 and, uh, they were regarded as very disruptive to society. 1107 00:27:50,236 --> 00:27:53,940 and, uh, they were regarded as very disruptive to society. 1108 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,175 And Nixon, you know, launches the drug war as a result. 1109 00:27:56,276 --> 00:27:58,278 So, so, all that research gets buried. 1110 00:27:56,276 --> 00:27:58,278 So, so, all that research gets buried. 1111 00:27:58,378 --> 00:28:00,179 -Right. Right. -And 30 years go by. 1112 00:28:00,246 --> 00:28:01,614 Nobody studies it. 1113 00:28:00,246 --> 00:28:01,614 Nobody studies it. 1114 00:28:01,714 --> 00:28:04,183 And then suddenly around 2000, 1115 00:28:04,217 --> 00:28:06,686 a group of really dedicated researchers 1116 00:28:04,217 --> 00:28:06,686 a group of really dedicated researchers 1117 00:28:06,786 --> 00:28:09,822 who never gave up faith started bringing it back 1118 00:28:06,786 --> 00:28:09,822 who never gave up faith started bringing it back 1119 00:28:09,922 --> 00:28:11,090 and doing some studies 1120 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:13,026 and getting really impressive results. 1121 00:28:13,192 --> 00:28:14,994 And-and it was when I started hearing about that 1122 00:28:15,094 --> 00:28:17,530 that I realized I-I've got to dig in. 1123 00:28:15,094 --> 00:28:17,530 that I realized I-I've got to dig in. 1124 00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:20,533 Do you think that drugs 1125 00:28:20,633 --> 00:28:22,302 that I would... I would term as... 1126 00:28:20,633 --> 00:28:22,302 that I would... I would term as... 1127 00:28:22,402 --> 00:28:24,337 And, I mean, you-you probably know the, you know, 1128 00:28:24,437 --> 00:28:26,606 the professional classifications for them, but-but drugs 1129 00:28:24,437 --> 00:28:26,606 the professional classifications for them, but-but drugs 1130 00:28:26,706 --> 00:28:28,841 -that have been really created in a lab, you know? -Mm-hmm. 1131 00:28:28,942 --> 00:28:30,243 Do you think, like, those drugs-- 1132 00:28:28,942 --> 00:28:30,243 Do you think, like, those drugs-- 1133 00:28:30,343 --> 00:28:32,645 things like fentanyl, things like cocaine, et cetera-- 1134 00:28:32,745 --> 00:28:35,448 do you think that they have sort of tarnished 1135 00:28:32,745 --> 00:28:35,448 do you think that they have sort of tarnished 1136 00:28:35,548 --> 00:28:39,052 -the conversation and the imagery of psychedelics? -Yeah. 1137 00:28:35,548 --> 00:28:39,052 -the conversation and the imagery of psychedelics? -Yeah. 1138 00:28:39,218 --> 00:28:40,520 I don't think we can say in general 1139 00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:43,156 that if it comes from a plant, it's definitely better. 1140 00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:43,156 that if it comes from a plant, it's definitely better. 1141 00:28:43,256 --> 00:28:45,558 I mean, there are some pretty toxic plants, 1142 00:28:43,256 --> 00:28:45,558 I mean, there are some pretty toxic plants, 1143 00:28:45,658 --> 00:28:46,659 and-and, um... 1144 00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:48,227 But we... 1145 00:28:48,328 --> 00:28:49,796 You know, it's-it's very important 1146 00:28:48,328 --> 00:28:49,796 You know, it's-it's very important 1147 00:28:49,896 --> 00:28:52,465 to make distinctions and take each drug on its own. 1148 00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:54,400 -Mm-hmm. -We have this category, "illicit drugs." 1149 00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:54,400 -Mm-hmm. -We have this category, "illicit drugs." 1150 00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:56,569 Um, psychedelics are very different 1151 00:28:56,669 --> 00:28:58,538 than opiates, for example. 1152 00:28:56,669 --> 00:28:58,538 than opiates, for example. 1153 00:28:58,638 --> 00:29:01,507 Uh, psychedelics are not addictive, believe it or not. 1154 00:28:58,638 --> 00:29:01,507 Uh, psychedelics are not addictive, believe it or not. 1155 00:29:01,608 --> 00:29:04,043 Um, th-they don't... They're not habit-forming. 1156 00:29:04,177 --> 00:29:05,545 They don't... There's no lethal dose 1157 00:29:04,177 --> 00:29:05,545 They don't... There's no lethal dose 1158 00:29:05,645 --> 00:29:06,813 -for psilocybin. -But they break your habits 1159 00:29:06,913 --> 00:29:08,915 -to other things. -And that seems, like, ki... 1160 00:29:09,015 --> 00:29:10,383 counterintuitive to a lot of people, 1161 00:29:09,015 --> 00:29:10,383 counterintuitive to a lot of people, 1162 00:29:10,483 --> 00:29:13,252 -that you can use a drug to deal with an addiction. -Right. 1163 00:29:10,483 --> 00:29:13,252 -that you can use a drug to deal with an addiction. -Right. 1164 00:29:13,353 --> 00:29:14,621 Uh, but it's a nonaddictive drug 1165 00:29:14,721 --> 00:29:17,557 that seems to be very effective 1166 00:29:14,721 --> 00:29:17,557 that seems to be very effective 1167 00:29:17,657 --> 00:29:18,992 in dealing with cigarette addiction, 1168 00:29:19,092 --> 00:29:22,061 alcohol addiction and cocaine addiction, uh, so far. 1169 00:29:19,092 --> 00:29:22,061 alcohol addiction and cocaine addiction, uh, so far. 1170 00:29:22,195 --> 00:29:24,597 Um, and that's very exciting, 1171 00:29:24,697 --> 00:29:27,634 'cause we have very few ways to treat these things. 1172 00:29:24,697 --> 00:29:27,634 'cause we have very few ways to treat these things. 1173 00:29:27,734 --> 00:29:29,469 I-I loved how in this book... 1174 00:29:27,734 --> 00:29:29,469 I-I loved how in this book... 1175 00:29:29,569 --> 00:29:32,105 You know, everyone loved How to Change Your Mind. 1176 00:29:32,205 --> 00:29:34,207 That was, for many people, their first foray 1177 00:29:32,205 --> 00:29:34,207 That was, for many people, their first foray 1178 00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:36,409 into the world of psyche-psychedelics. 1179 00:29:36,509 --> 00:29:38,878 This Is Your Mind on Plants. I didn't know what to expect. 1180 00:29:36,509 --> 00:29:38,878 This Is Your Mind on Plants. I didn't know what to expect. 1181 00:29:38,978 --> 00:29:41,614 But I-I loved how it was-- it was the classic Michael Pollan 1182 00:29:38,978 --> 00:29:41,614 But I-I loved how it was-- it was the classic Michael Pollan 1183 00:29:41,714 --> 00:29:44,717 of, you know, really being your guinea pig. 1184 00:29:44,817 --> 00:29:46,619 -You were your own test subject. -Yes. I-I am my own guinea pig. 1185 00:29:44,817 --> 00:29:46,619 -You were your own test subject. -Yes. I-I am my own guinea pig. 1186 00:29:46,719 --> 00:29:48,755 -Which-which I love. I genuinely enjoy. -(laughs) 1187 00:29:48,855 --> 00:29:50,490 Um, because it's not just research-based-- 1188 00:29:48,855 --> 00:29:50,490 Um, because it's not just research-based-- 1189 00:29:50,590 --> 00:29:52,158 it's experience-based, you know? 1190 00:29:52,258 --> 00:29:54,827 Well, I-I can't write about this without-- 1191 00:29:52,258 --> 00:29:54,827 Well, I-I can't write about this without-- 1192 00:29:54,927 --> 00:29:56,663 I have to write about it from the inside. 1193 00:29:56,763 --> 00:29:57,964 That's just the way I work. 1194 00:29:56,763 --> 00:29:57,964 That's just the way I work. 1195 00:29:58,064 --> 00:29:59,399 -Um... -Are you never afraid though? 1196 00:29:59,499 --> 00:30:01,901 -I was terrified. I was-- I hadn't used this... -Okay. Okay. 1197 00:29:59,499 --> 00:30:01,901 -I was terrified. I was-- I hadn't used this... -Okay. Okay. 1198 00:30:02,001 --> 00:30:03,736 I don't think I used-- I hadn't used a psychedelic 1199 00:30:03,836 --> 00:30:04,937 till I was 59. 1200 00:30:05,038 --> 00:30:07,006 I came very late. I'm a late bloomer. 1201 00:30:05,038 --> 00:30:07,006 I came very late. I'm a late bloomer. 1202 00:30:07,173 --> 00:30:09,909 And, um... and so, every night, 1203 00:30:07,173 --> 00:30:09,909 And, um... and so, every night, 1204 00:30:10,009 --> 00:30:11,444 I had a series of guided 1205 00:30:11,544 --> 00:30:13,413 -and not guided experiences. -Right, right, right. 1206 00:30:11,544 --> 00:30:13,413 -and not guided experiences. -Right, right, right. 1207 00:30:13,513 --> 00:30:15,181 I went through the whole menu of psychedelics. 1208 00:30:15,281 --> 00:30:17,183 -Uh-huh. -F-For you, dear reader. 1209 00:30:15,281 --> 00:30:17,183 -Uh-huh. -F-For you, dear reader. 1210 00:30:17,283 --> 00:30:19,185 And, um, uh, e-- 1211 00:30:19,285 --> 00:30:21,554 the night before every one of these days, 1212 00:30:19,285 --> 00:30:21,554 the night before every one of these days, 1213 00:30:21,654 --> 00:30:23,323 I was up all night. I was a wreck. 1214 00:30:23,423 --> 00:30:24,757 -I was s... -Yeah, I can only imagine. Because-- 1215 00:30:24,857 --> 00:30:26,893 I don't know about you, but I was taught my whole life, 1216 00:30:24,857 --> 00:30:26,893 I don't know about you, but I was taught my whole life, 1217 00:30:26,993 --> 00:30:28,561 -"You take one of these things... -Yeah. 1218 00:30:28,661 --> 00:30:30,363 -"...and it's over for you, Trevor. -Yeah. 1219 00:30:28,661 --> 00:30:30,363 -"...and it's over for you, Trevor. -Yeah. 1220 00:30:30,463 --> 00:30:32,265 "You are just-- you're out in the streets. 1221 00:30:32,365 --> 00:30:33,599 "You're, like, robbing-- 1222 00:30:32,365 --> 00:30:33,599 "You're, like, robbing-- 1223 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:35,501 -"breaking car stereos. -Jumping off of buildings. 1224 00:30:35,601 --> 00:30:37,203 "Yeah, you're jumping off buildings 'cause you think 1225 00:30:35,601 --> 00:30:37,203 "Yeah, you're jumping off buildings 'cause you think 1226 00:30:37,270 --> 00:30:39,272 it's a pool." That's all I thought. 1227 00:30:39,372 --> 00:30:40,440 -I was like, "You're dying." -And that's-- 1228 00:30:40,540 --> 00:30:44,310 I-I also ingested all those crazy ideas. 1229 00:30:40,540 --> 00:30:44,310 I-I also ingested all those crazy ideas. 1230 00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:46,646 I mean, there are risks, it's important to-to stress. 1231 00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:46,646 I mean, there are risks, it's important to-to stress. 1232 00:30:46,746 --> 00:30:48,848 But, yeah, there's a lot of urban legends 1233 00:30:48,948 --> 00:30:50,516 -about what psychedelics will do to you. -Right, right, right. 1234 00:30:48,948 --> 00:30:50,516 -about what psychedelics will do to you. -Right, right, right. 1235 00:30:50,617 --> 00:30:51,851 And so I was nervous. 1236 00:30:51,951 --> 00:30:53,953 And, also, you know, the self, 1237 00:30:51,951 --> 00:30:53,953 And, also, you know, the self, 1238 00:30:54,053 --> 00:30:56,022 going into yourself to see who you are, 1239 00:30:56,155 --> 00:30:57,190 that's a scary place to go. 1240 00:30:56,155 --> 00:30:57,190 that's a scary place to go. 1241 00:30:57,290 --> 00:30:58,658 -It's terrifying. -And, um... 1242 00:30:58,758 --> 00:31:00,259 And I didn't know what I'd discover. 1243 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,062 What was the thing that you learned about Michael Pollan 1244 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,062 What was the thing that you learned about Michael Pollan 1245 00:31:03,162 --> 00:31:05,164 that you almost unlearned about yourself 1246 00:31:03,162 --> 00:31:05,164 that you almost unlearned about yourself 1247 00:31:05,231 --> 00:31:06,933 -because of psychedelics? -Yeah. It's a good question. 1248 00:31:07,033 --> 00:31:10,169 Well, I had one experience, a guided psilocybin trip 1249 00:31:07,033 --> 00:31:10,169 Well, I had one experience, a guided psilocybin trip 1250 00:31:10,236 --> 00:31:11,771 at a very high dose, 1251 00:31:11,871 --> 00:31:13,973 where I experienced 1252 00:31:11,871 --> 00:31:13,973 where I experienced 1253 00:31:14,073 --> 00:31:16,442 the complete dissolution of my ego. 1254 00:31:16,542 --> 00:31:19,045 So that was a valuable teaching for me 1255 00:31:16,542 --> 00:31:19,045 So that was a valuable teaching for me 1256 00:31:19,178 --> 00:31:20,446 and very surprising. 1257 00:31:20,546 --> 00:31:22,949 Um, and that the experience felt so good. 1258 00:31:20,546 --> 00:31:22,949 Um, and that the experience felt so good. 1259 00:31:23,049 --> 00:31:24,951 Because when you lose your ego, 1260 00:31:25,051 --> 00:31:26,486 when the walls come down, 1261 00:31:25,051 --> 00:31:26,486 when the walls come down, 1262 00:31:26,586 --> 00:31:28,955 there's nothing separating you from the world. 1263 00:31:29,055 --> 00:31:30,990 -Right. -And you-- and you merge with it. 1264 00:31:29,055 --> 00:31:30,990 -Right. -And you-- and you merge with it. 1265 00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:34,961 And there is good evidence that a single psilocybin trip, 1266 00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:34,961 And there is good evidence that a single psilocybin trip, 1267 00:31:35,061 --> 00:31:37,730 if you do have this ego dissolution experience, 1268 00:31:35,061 --> 00:31:37,730 if you do have this ego dissolution experience, 1269 00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:40,066 will leave you more open than you were before. 1270 00:31:40,199 --> 00:31:41,968 And God knows we need more of that. 1271 00:31:40,199 --> 00:31:41,968 And God knows we need more of that. 1272 00:31:42,135 --> 00:31:43,870 Looking at the world going forward, 1273 00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:48,041 um, your work has shifted many people's perspectives. 1274 00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:48,041 um, your work has shifted many people's perspectives. 1275 00:31:48,141 --> 00:31:49,976 So, what do you see changing in America? 1276 00:31:48,141 --> 00:31:49,976 So, what do you see changing in America? 1277 00:31:50,143 --> 00:31:51,978 Do you see a change happening in America? 1278 00:31:52,145 --> 00:31:54,514 And-and what would you hope that change would be, 1279 00:31:52,145 --> 00:31:54,514 And-and what would you hope that change would be, 1280 00:31:54,614 --> 00:31:55,949 considering lawmakers, 1281 00:31:56,049 --> 00:31:57,483 the money that they get from drug companies? 1282 00:31:56,049 --> 00:31:57,483 the money that they get from drug companies? 1283 00:31:57,583 --> 00:31:58,985 'Cause this doesn't seem good for drug companies. 1284 00:31:59,152 --> 00:32:00,653 -No. -I would say, from my personal perspective. 1285 00:32:00,753 --> 00:32:02,188 Oh, you're absolutely right. 1286 00:32:00,753 --> 00:32:02,188 Oh, you're absolutely right. 1287 00:32:02,288 --> 00:32:03,957 I mean, you were only going to sell one or two pills 1288 00:32:04,057 --> 00:32:05,658 over the course of someone's lifetime. 1289 00:32:04,057 --> 00:32:05,658 over the course of someone's lifetime. 1290 00:32:05,758 --> 00:32:07,293 You don't need to do this every day. 1291 00:32:07,393 --> 00:32:08,861 -You can't do this every day. -Right. 1292 00:32:08,962 --> 00:32:11,664 Whereas the model for the pharmaceutical industry is 1293 00:32:08,962 --> 00:32:11,664 Whereas the model for the pharmaceutical industry is 1294 00:32:11,764 --> 00:32:14,334 here is a drug you take every day for the rest of your life 1295 00:32:11,764 --> 00:32:14,334 here is a drug you take every day for the rest of your life 1296 00:32:14,434 --> 00:32:15,902 -that doesn't cure you. -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 1297 00:32:16,002 --> 00:32:18,071 It merely helps with the symptoms. 1298 00:32:16,002 --> 00:32:18,071 It merely helps with the symptoms. 1299 00:32:18,171 --> 00:32:21,174 Here, we're-we're administering an experience 1300 00:32:18,171 --> 00:32:21,174 Here, we're-we're administering an experience 1301 00:32:21,207 --> 00:32:24,844 that actually changes you and cures you, when it works. 1302 00:32:24,944 --> 00:32:26,646 And it works about two-thirds of the time. 1303 00:32:24,944 --> 00:32:26,646 And it works about two-thirds of the time. 1304 00:32:26,746 --> 00:32:30,183 Uh, so, it's a totally different model. 1305 00:32:26,746 --> 00:32:30,183 Uh, so, it's a totally different model. 1306 00:32:30,216 --> 00:32:35,088 Um, I think we're on the road toward FDA approval of, uh, 1307 00:32:30,216 --> 00:32:35,088 Um, I think we're on the road toward FDA approval of, uh, 1308 00:32:35,188 --> 00:32:37,957 -psilocybin, and MDMA-- or Ecstasy... -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 1309 00:32:35,188 --> 00:32:37,957 -psilocybin, and MDMA-- or Ecstasy... -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 1310 00:32:38,057 --> 00:32:40,460 which is also sometimes considered a psychedelic. 1311 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,129 -Right. -And it's very useful in treating trauma. 1312 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,129 -Right. -And it's very useful in treating trauma. 1313 00:32:43,162 --> 00:32:46,332 Uh, we're very quickly decriminalizing psychedelics 1314 00:32:43,162 --> 00:32:46,332 Uh, we're very quickly decriminalizing psychedelics 1315 00:32:46,432 --> 00:32:47,767 around the country. 1316 00:32:47,867 --> 00:32:49,902 When I published this, How to Change Your Mind, 1317 00:32:47,867 --> 00:32:49,902 When I published this, How to Change Your Mind, 1318 00:32:50,003 --> 00:32:51,537 I really felt there would be a lot of pushback 1319 00:32:51,638 --> 00:32:53,573 -from the psychiatric establishment. -Mm-hmm. 1320 00:32:51,638 --> 00:32:53,573 -from the psychiatric establishment. -Mm-hmm. 1321 00:32:53,673 --> 00:32:55,575 There wasn't. There was an embrace. 1322 00:32:55,675 --> 00:32:58,344 And the reason is-- and I learned this from talking 1323 00:32:55,675 --> 00:32:58,344 And the reason is-- and I learned this from talking 1324 00:32:58,444 --> 00:33:00,747 to some very prominent psychiatrists-- 1325 00:33:00,847 --> 00:33:03,283 is that they know perfectly well 1326 00:33:00,847 --> 00:33:03,283 is that they know perfectly well 1327 00:33:03,383 --> 00:33:06,586 that the tools they have to treat mental illness stink. 1328 00:33:03,383 --> 00:33:06,586 that the tools they have to treat mental illness stink. 1329 00:33:06,686 --> 00:33:08,855 -Wow. -They-they don't have... 1330 00:33:08,955 --> 00:33:10,890 All they have are really SSRIs 1331 00:33:08,955 --> 00:33:10,890 All they have are really SSRIs 1332 00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:12,792 -and these antipsychotic agents... -Yeah. 1333 00:33:12,892 --> 00:33:14,427 ...which have all sorts of side effects, 1334 00:33:12,892 --> 00:33:14,427 ...which have all sorts of side effects, 1335 00:33:14,527 --> 00:33:16,362 -don't really work that well. -Mm-hmm. 1336 00:33:16,462 --> 00:33:18,631 -SSRIs-- this is antidepressants... -Yeah. Yeah. 1337 00:33:16,462 --> 00:33:18,631 -SSRIs-- this is antidepressants... -Yeah. Yeah. 1338 00:33:18,731 --> 00:33:21,367 They only work two percentage points better than a placebo. 1339 00:33:18,731 --> 00:33:21,367 They only work two percentage points better than a placebo. 1340 00:33:21,467 --> 00:33:25,371 Um, so, they're desperate for new tools. 1341 00:33:21,467 --> 00:33:25,371 Um, so, they're desperate for new tools. 1342 00:33:25,471 --> 00:33:27,907 We have a mental health crisis in this country, in this world. 1343 00:33:28,007 --> 00:33:30,243 -And it got worse during COVID. -Definitely. 1344 00:33:28,007 --> 00:33:30,243 -And it got worse during COVID. -Definitely. 1345 00:33:30,343 --> 00:33:33,446 So there is an eagerness to do the research necessary 1346 00:33:30,343 --> 00:33:33,446 So there is an eagerness to do the research necessary 1347 00:33:33,546 --> 00:33:37,417 to prove that psychedelics can help. 1348 00:33:33,546 --> 00:33:37,417 to prove that psychedelics can help. 1349 00:33:37,517 --> 00:33:39,752 And we really could be on the verge 1350 00:33:39,852 --> 00:33:41,554 of a revolution in mental health care. 1351 00:33:39,852 --> 00:33:41,554 of a revolution in mental health care. 1352 00:33:41,654 --> 00:33:43,022 Thank you so much for joining me on the show. 1353 00:33:43,122 --> 00:33:44,691 -Ah, thank you, Trevor. -I appreciate having you here. 1354 00:33:44,791 --> 00:33:46,592 -Thank you. -I'm a big fan. Don't forget, people. 1355 00:33:44,791 --> 00:33:46,592 -Thank you. -I'm a big fan. Don't forget, people. 1356 00:33:46,693 --> 00:33:48,127 Michael's book, This is Your Mind on Plants, 1357 00:33:48,227 --> 00:33:50,263 is available now. I could not recommend this enough. 1358 00:33:48,227 --> 00:33:50,263 is available now. I could not recommend this enough. 1359 00:33:50,363 --> 00:33:51,664 We're gonna take a quick break, 1360 00:33:51,764 --> 00:33:54,133 but we'll be right back after this. 1361 00:33:56,102 --> 00:33:57,470 Well, that's our show for tonight, but before we go, 1362 00:33:57,571 --> 00:33:59,039 today is GLAAD's Spirit Day, 1363 00:33:57,571 --> 00:33:59,039 today is GLAAD's Spirit Day, 1364 00:33:59,139 --> 00:34:00,974 where millions of Americans wear purple 1365 00:34:01,074 --> 00:34:03,510 as a sign of support for LGBTQ youth 1366 00:34:01,074 --> 00:34:03,510 as a sign of support for LGBTQ youth 1367 00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:05,679 and to speak out against bullying. 1368 00:34:05,779 --> 00:34:08,748 So, any donations that come in today will not only be matched, 1369 00:34:05,779 --> 00:34:08,748 So, any donations that come in today will not only be matched, 1370 00:34:08,848 --> 00:34:10,483 but they'll be doubled. 1371 00:34:10,584 --> 00:34:11,818 So if you want to help out, 1372 00:34:10,584 --> 00:34:11,818 So if you want to help out, 1373 00:34:11,918 --> 00:34:14,020 please visit the link below and donate. 1374 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,223 Until next time, stay safe out there, 1375 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,223 Until next time, stay safe out there, 1376 00:34:16,323 --> 00:34:17,891 get your vaccine, and remember-- 1377 00:34:17,991 --> 00:34:19,893 if you can't make it to Hong Kong 1378 00:34:17,991 --> 00:34:19,893 if you can't make it to Hong Kong 1379 00:34:19,993 --> 00:34:22,028 to sleep on the bus, 1380 00:34:22,128 --> 00:34:25,699 try sleeping in a bed. Poo! 1381 00:34:22,128 --> 00:34:25,699 try sleeping in a bed. Poo! 1382 00:34:25,799 --> 00:34:28,201 Now here it is-- Your Moment of Zen. 1383 00:34:25,799 --> 00:34:28,201 Now here it is-- Your Moment of Zen. 1384 00:34:28,301 --> 00:34:30,637 ♪ ♪ 1385 00:34:32,305 --> 00:34:35,909 I say this with respect, with all the respect I can muster, 1386 00:34:32,305 --> 00:34:35,909 I say this with respect, with all the respect I can muster, 1387 00:34:36,009 --> 00:34:39,579 but my advice to the president is this. 1388 00:34:36,009 --> 00:34:39,579 but my advice to the president is this. 1389 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:44,751 Mr. President, you just got to try harder not to suck. 1390 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:44,751 Mr. President, you just got to try harder not to suck.