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Hey, what's going on, everybody?
I'm Trevor Noah,
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and this is The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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Today is March 2,
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which means it's the first week
of Women's History Month.
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That's right-- it's that time
of the year when men
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celebrate women's history
by repeating it back to women
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just a little louder, as if
we thought of it ourselves.
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Anyway, on tonight's show,
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Dr. Seuss is canceled,
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Governor Cuomo
is crashing weddings,
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and meet Madison Cawthorn,
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the hot new scandal
of the Republican party.
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So let's do this, people.
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Welcome to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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-? ? -ANNOUNCER: From Trevor's
couch in New York City
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to your couch
somewhere in the world, this is
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The Daily Social Distancing
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Let's kick things off
with the coronavirus vaccine--
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the reason your grandma
just reactivated her Tinder.
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Over the weekend, Johnson &
Johnson became the third company
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to get a vaccine approved
for use in the United States.
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And in even more good news
today, it was announced that
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one of Johnson & Johnson's
rivals,
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the pharma company Merck,
will help
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produce the vaccine
as a way to boost supply,
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which is amazing.
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Two rival companies teaming up--
this is so rare,
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especially in
the pharmaceutical world.
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I mean, we all watch TV.
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We've seen those Cialis ads.
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They've never once said,
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"Ask your doctor
about Cialis or Viagra.
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All that matters is we get your
rusty old dick working again."
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And it's because
vaccine production is ramping up
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that President Biden
now says America
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will have a vaccine
for every adult
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by the end of May,
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two months earlier than he
predicted just a few weeks ago.
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Which means you're gonna
have to fit back into your jeans
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a lot sooner
than you thought. Yeah.
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Better get working.
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Now, I don't have that problem,
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because I cut all my jeans up
for toilet paper last April.
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But let's move on
to Andrew Cuomo,
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governor of New York
and shaved Geico caveman.
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He's already spent this week
fighting off two accusations
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of sexual harassment.
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And now we're finding out
about a third.
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NEWSWOMAN: This morning,
New York governor Andrew Cuomo
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facing new calls for resignation
after a third woman
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has come forward
with accusations
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of sexual harassment. Anna Ruch
telling The New York Times
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the governor tried to
kiss her at a New York City
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wedding reception in 2019,
and then sharing this photograph
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she says was captured
on her cell phone that night
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by a friend, Ruch saying
that when governor Cuomo
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put his hand
on her bare lower back,
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she "promptly removed
his hand with my hand."
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According to the paper,
"the governor remarked that
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"she seemed 'aggressive' and
placed his hands on her cheeks.
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He asked
if he could kiss her."
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Sweet Jesus.
Man, what are you doing?
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I mean, on the one hand,
asking women for consent
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before you kiss them
is what you're supposed to do.
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But the other part of consent
is waiting for them to answer.
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You don't just
grab them by the face
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like a bear
yanking on a beehive.
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(growling)
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I mean, look at this photo.
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How can you not tell that
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you're making this person
uncomfortable?
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If you're doing something
to someone that turns them
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into the (sucks teeth) emoji,
you have done something wrong.
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And what's so brazen about it
is that he's doing it
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right in front of everybody,
in the middle of a wedding.
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So now I want to know, was he
doing this the whole night?
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You know?
Are the bride and groom gonna be
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looking at
their wedding photos like,
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"Aw, honey, here's the picture
of you smearing the cake
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"on my face.
Oh, and there's the one
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of Governor Cuomo
licking it off."
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And, by the way,
it's not like this happened
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in, like, 1992,
and he could be like,
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"Well, it was a different time."
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This was in 2019.
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If you're a public official
doing this kind of thing
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after the #MeToo movement,
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either you just
can't help yourself
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or you're so dumb you shouldn't
be in office anyway.
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So, in light
of these allegations,
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Cuomo is now facing
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even more calls to resign.
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Although, if these allegations
prove anything,
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it's that Cuomo doesn't
go away when you want him to.
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But let's move on,
because while Governor Cuomo
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clearly hasn't adapted
to the changing times,
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one of your favorite authors
from childhood
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is trying to.
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NEWSWOMAN: Breaking news:
the organization that preserves
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the legacy of author
and illustrator Dr. Seuss
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says it will stop
publishing six titles
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because of racist imagery.
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Dr. Seuss Enterprises says
the books portray people
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in ways that are
hurtful and wrong.
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NEWSWOMAN 2: The six books
being banned include
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And To Think That
I Saw It On Mulberry Street,
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If I Ran the Zoo,
McElligot's Pool,
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On Beyond Zebra!,
Scrambled Eggs Super!
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and The Cat's Quizzer.
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NEWSWOMAN 3: There are some
examples of racist imagery
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in those books.
For example,
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there's a character that's
described as a Chinese man
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who eats with sticks,
and the depiction
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of that character
has a pointed hat,
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slanted slit eyes.
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In another book, two men,
said to be from Africa,
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are shown shirtless,
shoeless,
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wearing grass skirts
as they carry exotic animals.
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Wow. Okay.
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So, what, we're just gonna
cancel Dr. Seuss books
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just because they're racist?
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Uh, then what are the
racist kids gonna read, huh?
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You didn't think
of that, did you?
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You know the real problem
with Dr. Seuss
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is that all of his made-up words
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sound like they could be
racial slurs. I mean,
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a zelf on a shelf?
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The nupboards in the cupboards?
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I don't know what that means,
but if a white person
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calls me a nupboard,
we're throwing down.
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And look, I know that
this thing was blowing up
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and it was trending all
over Twitter,
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but there's always gonna
be people on Twitter
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telling you that this is
the end of civilization.
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Because fanning the flames
of culture wars
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is how they get attention.
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But let's be honest
about what's happening here:
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an organization is making
a decision on its own
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that they don't want
to be associated
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with their own outdated
and offensive imagery.
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That's not being canceled.
That's something
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that companies and organizations
do all the time.
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Like, at some point,
Coca-Cola was like,
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"Hey, maybe putting cocaine
in our drink
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is harmful to the public. Maybe
we should stop doing that."
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Nobody called that
cancel culture.
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And despite what
everyone tells you,
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everyone does this all the time,
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including CPAC.
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Yeah, the home of freedom!
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Just a couple weeks ago, they
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canceled a speaker
for his anti-Semitic views.
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Oh, but I guess
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that was just them
looking out for the brand.
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Yeah, it only becomes
cancel culture
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when it's something
you disagree with.
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But still, there may be room
for compromise here.
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Like, maybe instead of getting
rid of the books completely,
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they can just
update the imagery.
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For example, take that
offensive drawing of the two
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African men and put it in a
Tucker Carlson thought bubble.
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That way we all understand,
"Ah, this is racist."
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Let's move on now
to our main story:
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the other
sexual harassment scandal
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taking over
the political world right now.
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Also tonight,
serious questions are swirling
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around the youngest member
of Con-Congress,
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an up-and-coming Republican with
an increasingly high profile.
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NEWSWOMAN:
He is considered a rising star
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in the Republican Party,
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but Congressman
Madison Cawthorn's past
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and the political persona
he has cultivated
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is littered
with dark allegations.
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Cawthorn faced
numerous allegations
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of sexual harassment
while attending
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Patrick Henry College
in Virginia just four years ago.
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Caitlin Coulter went to school
with Cawthorn
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and says she was taken
on what he called a fun drive.
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His M.O. was to take
vulnerable women out
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on these rides with him
in the car and to make advances.
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Cawthorn asked her
about her purity ring
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and her sexual experiences.
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Coulter says
she felt something was off
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and shut down the conversation.
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He got really upset
and he whips the car around
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and started going back to campus
at 70, 80 miles an hour
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on these one-lane roads.
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Um, and it was--
it was really scary.
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"There was a lot of sexual
innuendo," Leah Petree told CNN.
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"It got really uncomfortable
walking to and from class.
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"He would yell out,
'Are you ready to take
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that fun drive today?'"
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That guy doesn't sound fun
at all.
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This guy was apparently
sexually harassing women
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while driving
like a crazy person?
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It's like if Mario Kart let you
play as Harvey Weinstein.
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And just to be clear,
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this wasn't just making
a few people uncomfortable.
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No, Cawthorn reportedly kissed
women by force,
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put his hands up their skirts,
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and pulled one girl onto his lap
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and put his finger
between her legs.
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In fact, it got so bad
that R.A.s at the school
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started warning students
to stay away from him.
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And you know
you're doing something wrong
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when you're in the same category
as STDs and alcohol poisoning.
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But the question
you may be asking is,
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who is Madison Cawthorn
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and how did he go
from college creep
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to congressman creep?
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Let's find out in another
episode of Fringe-Watching.
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One year ago,
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Madison Cawthorn
was not expected
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to be the next
congressional representative
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from North Carolina.
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But he narrowly beat
a more established conservative
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in the Republican primary
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by falsely smearing her
as a Never Trumper.
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Because, you see, at this point,
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Never Trumper
is the worst insult
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that you can say
to a Republican.
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It goes: expert,
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Prius driver,
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and then Never Trumper.
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That's the Republican version
of the N-word.
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"You Never Trumper!"
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"Don't you call me--
You take that back.
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Why, you don't use that word
on me."
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"Okay, but you don't like
Trump sometimes."
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But what really propelled
Cawthorn into office
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was his compelling
personal story,
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even if it wasn't 100% his.
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NEWSWOMAN: Fresh questions
about his own account
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of the car accident that left
him wheelchair-bound in 2014.
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CAWTHORN: He was my brother,
my best friend.
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He-he leaves me in a car
to die in a fiery tomb.
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NEWSWOMAN: Bradley Ledford,
Cawthorn's friend
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and the driver of the car,
telling The Washington Post
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that Cawthorn's accounting
of the accident was not true.
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Cawthorn's own parents
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undercutting
their son's story, too,
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saying the driver
of the car rescued him.
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That accident went on to be
the core part of the narrative
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Cawthorn weaved about himself
as he ran for Congress.
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ANNOUNCER: He planned on serving
his country in the Navy
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with a nomination to the U.S.
Naval Academy in Annapolis.
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-(siren wailing) -But all that
changed in the spring of 2014,
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when tragedy struck.
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NEWSWOMAN:
But in this 2017 deposition
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related to the accident,
obtained by CNN,
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Cawthorn admitted that
he was rejected by the academy
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before the accident.
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So, this guy got rejected
by the Naval Academy,
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then got into a car crash,
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and then claimed the crash
was why he got rejected?
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Well, you know what they say:
when life gives you lemons,
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blame the lemons for everything
and you hope no one checks.
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And, look, man,
this is a horrible thing
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that Cawthorn experienced.
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But it's tragic enough
on its own.
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And it's also
genuinely inspiring
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that he came back from it,
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which is probably why
it's so weird
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that he felt the need
to lie about things
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like his friend
abandoning him to die.
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I mean, dude rescued him
from a car,
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and, in return,
he threw him under the bus.
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And once people began digging
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into the rest
of Cawthorn's story,
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they began finding lies
everywhere.
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For instance, he claimed
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he turned down
Princeton and Harvard.
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That was not true.
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He claimed to be
a successful business owner,
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even though his supposed
investment company
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reported zero income
and had only one employee,
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himself.
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He even claimed repeatedly
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to be training
for the 2020 Paralympics,
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despite never being
an elite athlete,
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something an actual Paralympian
compared to
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"a kid saying
they want to play in the NBA
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when they're on the
fourth-grade basketball team."
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Which would obviously
be ridiculous.
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I mean, no fourth grader
could play in the NBA,
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except maybe for the Pistons.
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I mean, they... they need help.
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So, Madison Cawthorn
has basically lied
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about every major event
in his life.
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And he's lucky
that he's in politics,
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because there's no other career
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where you can be caught lying
that much about your résumé
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and still be allowed
to keep your job.
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So, instead of attending
Princeton or Harvard,
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Cawthorn went to a conservative
Christian college
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where he led a squad
known on campus
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as "the douche crew."
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Which is impressive,
especially when you think
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about how much competition
there is
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for that name
on a college campus.
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You know? It's like working
at a hedge fund
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and being known as the guy
with the coke problem.
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But after earning mostly D's,
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Cawthorn dropped out
after only one semester
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to go and see the world.
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NEWSWOMAN:
This 2017 Instagram post
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from a visit
to Adolf Hitler's vacation home
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in Germany, the Eagle's Nest,
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where Cawthorn refers
to Hitler as "the Führer."
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NEWSMAN: Posting, "The vacation
house of the Führer.
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"Seeing the Eagle's Nest
has been on my bucket list
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for a while.
It did not disappoint."
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I'm definitely not a Nazi.
Uh, I'm not a white supremacist.
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Okay, you know you messed up
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if you need to follow
your Instagram post with,
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"I'm definitely not a Nazi."
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I mean, nobody's posting
kitten pictures like,
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"Just to be clear, I definitely
think the Holocaust was bad.
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Meow."
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And it's not even that he
visited Hitler's vacation home
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so much as how he wrote
about it.
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He called it
"the Führer's house."
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I mean,
that's an extra level of respect
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when you're using
Hitler's preferred pronouns.
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I mean, he even included
the two dots over the "U."
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What is that, the-the umlauts?
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Yo, that takes effort.
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I don't even know
how you do that.
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I think you need to buy,
like, a special keyboard.
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I can barely find the colon.
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Where are you finding
the umlauts for Hitler?
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But maybe the strangest part
of this post is that he said,
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"It did not disappoint."
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The only way to make this post
worst was if it did disappoint.
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"Just got to the Eagle's Nest.
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-Bummer. Not that Hitlery."
-(phone chimes)
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So this was
a little embarrassing,
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but it didn't stop Cawthorn
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from getting the ultimate stamp
of approval.
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Where's Madison?
Where is Madison? Is he here?
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-Right over here.
-Madison Cawthorn, a real star.
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You're gonna be a star
of the party.
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NEWSWOMAN:
He rose to national prominence
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and then gained
national attention
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at this summer's
Republican Convention.
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When I'm elected this November,
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I'll be the youngest member
of Congress in over 200 years.
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And if you don't think young
people can change the world,
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then you just don't know
American history.
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George Washington was 21
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when he received
his first military commission.
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Abe Lincoln--
22 when he first ran for office.
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And my personal favorite, James
Madison, was just 25 years old
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when he signed
the Declaration of Independence.
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Yes, that, my friends,
is incredible.
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Or it would be
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if James Madison
had actually signed
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the Declaration of Independence,
but he didn't.
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I guess
Cawthorn is so into lying
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that he's even padding
other people's resumes now?
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I mean, sooner or later,
this dude's gonna
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get his alternate realities
completely mixed up.
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And let's not forget
Thomas Jefferson,
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who left me for dead
in that car accident.
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And please, don't get me wrong.
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This isn't
the biggest deal in the world.
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In fact, I'm kind of impressed
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that Cawthorn picked
the one Founding Father
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who didn't sign
the Declaration of Independence.
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Look at those signatures.
Look at all those signatures.
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They were passing
that thing around
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like an office birthday card.
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And so,
Madison Cawthorn made history
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as the youngest member
of Congress ever.
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And he celebrated this milestone
in American democracy
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by immediately trying
to undo American democracy.
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CAWTHORN:
My first act as a member
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of Congress will be to object
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to the electoral college
certification
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of the 2020 election.
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If you don't start supporting
election integrity,
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I'm coming after you.
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Madison Cawthorn's
coming after you.
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Everybody's coming after you.
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Get on the phone, call your
congressman, and feel free...
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You can lightly threaten them.
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Yes, just a few weeks
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before rioters stormed
the Capitol building,
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Madison Cawthorn
was telling people
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to lightly threaten
their congressmen.
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which I guess is when you say
you're gonna kill a dude,
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then throw in some funny memes
just to balance it out.
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But you know, in many ways,
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the Republican Party
couldn't have asked
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for a better star
to push their lie.
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Because unlike the Paralympics,
this is something
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he's actually been training for
his whole life.
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So that's Madison Cawthorn.
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He claims
the election was stolen,
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lies about everything
in his life,
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and has dubious opinions
about Nazis,
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and an alleged history
of sexual assault.
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What I'm saying is, as soon
as this guy can get a fake I.D.
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saying he's 35, ooh, my friends,
he's gonna be president.
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All right, when we come back,
Representative Adam Kinzinger
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will be joining us on the show
to talk about taking a stand
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against the president
of his own party.
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You don't want to miss it.
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Welcome back to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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Earlier today, I spoke
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to Republican Congressman
of Illinois, Adam Kinzinger.
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We talked about breaking
from his party
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to oppose Donald Trump
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and what he sees
as the future of the GOP.
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Congressman Kinzinger, welcome
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to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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Thanks. Good to be with you.
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So first questions first.
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Where do people go
to find a new family?
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Because you were famously
thrust into the news
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when your family
wrote you a letter,
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not only saying that
you had betrayed Donald Trump
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and you had betrayed them, but
you had joined the devil's army.
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Quite a letter to get from some
of your family members.
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00:17:39,291 --> 00:17:42,828
Yeah, it was a little
surprising, you know, and, uh...
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But, so, I look at it and say,
"Look, I have a great family."
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Some closer than...
You know, may disagree with me,
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that aren't gonna send me a
devil's army conscription form.
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00:17:52,004 --> 00:17:53,472
But, uh, yeah,
it was pretty crazy.
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But I'm glad it got out there.
I didn't release it.
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She sent it so far and wide,
actually that it...
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the reporter was able
to find it.
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00:17:59,245 --> 00:18:01,447
But you know,
it kind of shows people
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what's going on
in families today.
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00:18:03,349 --> 00:18:06,652
But your own family thinks
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that you have betrayed
Donald Trump,
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00:18:08,754 --> 00:18:10,556
and you are betraying
the Republican Party,
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by saying
that Donald Trump didn't,
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in fact, win the election,
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00:18:13,559 --> 00:18:16,529
and there was no giant steal,
AKA the big lie.
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If a Republican cannot convince
his Republican family
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of these things,
what hope is there for America?
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00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:23,102
Well, I do think there's hope,
and if you think about it,
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00:18:23,135 --> 00:18:26,071
look at how long it took
to really go from...
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00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:28,340
When Donald Trump announced,
he came down the escalator,
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00:18:28,374 --> 00:18:29,808
he had, like,
ten percent support.
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Everybody thought
he was a joke, and then,
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over time, when he was talking,
he eventually kind of led
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to this movement that we have.
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So it's gonna take some time
to pull people out of that.
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But I think, up to this point,
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we've had
no competing narrative.
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00:18:42,788 --> 00:18:44,156
You know, if you don't hear
anybody saying,
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00:18:44,190 --> 00:18:47,059
the election wasn't stolen,
and 74 million people
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00:18:47,092 --> 00:18:48,961
that voted for Trump
weren't disenfranchised;
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they were just outnumbered,
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00:18:50,696 --> 00:18:52,131
until somebody says that
aggressively,
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you're gonna believe it.
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00:18:53,432 --> 00:18:54,700
And that's what's important
right now,
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00:18:54,733 --> 00:18:56,001
is just
to tell people the truth.
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You know, there's this
culture war brewing here
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where it's all about owning
the other side,
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00:19:00,272 --> 00:19:02,541
and I still want to go out
and fight for principles.
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00:19:02,575 --> 00:19:04,410
And that's where I think
the pivot needs to happen
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that's actually gonna save,
not just the Republican Party,
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00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:10,216
but the country,
is if we actually start talking
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about policy, principle again,
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how to bring people up
from poverty,
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00:19:13,786 --> 00:19:15,621
you know, what defending
the country means.
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00:19:15,654 --> 00:19:17,323
Those are the kinds of things
that I think
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00:19:17,356 --> 00:19:18,958
Americans are
actually desperate for.
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They're just not
the loudest ones tweeting.
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When we look at that now,
I mean,
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America is going through one
of its toughest periods.
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00:19:25,364 --> 00:19:26,665
I mean, the world is.
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00:19:26,699 --> 00:19:28,200
We've never seen
anything like it.
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00:19:28,234 --> 00:19:30,536
Um, Joe Biden is trying
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00:19:30,569 --> 00:19:34,640
to pass his $1.9 trillion relief
bill for COVID.
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00:19:34,673 --> 00:19:36,642
There's been a lot
of back-and-forth on this.
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You are a Congress person.
I would love to know,
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from your perspective,
why you're opposed
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00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:44,083
to Joe Biden's
$1.9 trillion plan.
485
00:19:44,116 --> 00:19:47,152
Yeah, look, there was... there
was no effort to reach out.
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00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:48,487
I never had a conversation
with anybody
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00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:50,155
in the White House about it.
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No effort to say, "What does
it take to bring you on board?"
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00:19:52,391 --> 00:19:54,426
I'm desperate
to have a compromise on this,
490
00:19:54,460 --> 00:19:56,729
and I'm hoping that when
it comes back from the Senate,
491
00:19:56,762 --> 00:19:58,998
there'll be some changes,
actually making sure
492
00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:01,700
that we're giving the amount
of money that these states need,
493
00:20:01,734 --> 00:20:03,369
and not just writing
a blank check,
494
00:20:03,402 --> 00:20:05,871
and that some of the money
towards, uh, education,
495
00:20:05,905 --> 00:20:07,740
for instance,
is actually done this year.
496
00:20:07,773 --> 00:20:09,508
A lot of it's next year.
And there actually needs
497
00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:11,911
to be more money
for-for medicine and research.
498
00:20:11,944 --> 00:20:14,246
So, look, I'm one of the ones
that's eager
499
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,449
to say, "Let's do this.
Let's work on things together."
500
00:20:17,483 --> 00:20:19,752
And that we both just have
to be willing to do it.
501
00:20:19,785 --> 00:20:22,021
And so, I'm not gonna blame,
you know, the president
502
00:20:22,054 --> 00:20:23,789
for not reaching out
to Republicans.
503
00:20:23,822 --> 00:20:25,391
They make a decision.
504
00:20:25,424 --> 00:20:27,359
But I do think if somehow
it gets blocked up
505
00:20:27,393 --> 00:20:30,229
in the Senate, we have
an opportunity to get this done.
506
00:20:30,262 --> 00:20:31,730
The bill has
quite a few proposals.
507
00:20:31,764 --> 00:20:33,399
It touches on everything,
from, you know,
508
00:20:33,432 --> 00:20:34,767
raising the minimum wage,
509
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,036
which is now probably
out of the conversation,
510
00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:39,838
you know, to getting funding to
people who work in restaurants
511
00:20:39,872 --> 00:20:42,208
and bars, and making sure
that people get vaccinated
512
00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:44,276
and providing PPP, et cetera.
513
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:46,512
What would you change
in that bill?
514
00:20:46,545 --> 00:20:47,746
What do you think it's missing
515
00:20:47,780 --> 00:20:50,282
if they had come
and spoken to you?
516
00:20:50,316 --> 00:20:51,784
Gee, I don't know
if it's missing anything.
517
00:20:51,817 --> 00:20:53,586
I do think
we can come to a compromise
518
00:20:53,619 --> 00:20:55,254
on the minimum wage,
for instance.
519
00:20:55,287 --> 00:20:57,423
Like, I'm for increasing
the minimum wage.
520
00:20:57,456 --> 00:21:00,359
I just think doing it at
this moment right to 15 bucks,
521
00:21:00,392 --> 00:21:03,028
you know, over a short period
when businesses are struggling
522
00:21:03,062 --> 00:21:04,363
is the wrong time.
523
00:21:04,396 --> 00:21:05,998
So I would like to see
an increase.
524
00:21:06,031 --> 00:21:07,733
But on things
like opening schools,
525
00:21:07,766 --> 00:21:09,869
there's over $300 billion
that goes to that,
526
00:21:09,902 --> 00:21:12,171
but most of it doesn't go in
until next year.
527
00:21:12,204 --> 00:21:14,173
And you look at things
like vaccine researches
528
00:21:14,206 --> 00:21:15,541
for the future,
529
00:21:15,574 --> 00:21:18,210
you look at things
like helping hospitals now,
530
00:21:18,244 --> 00:21:20,446
and then the fact, you know,
Illinois, for instance,
531
00:21:20,479 --> 00:21:22,281
which has had
this huge systemic problem
532
00:21:22,314 --> 00:21:24,850
of fiscal mismanagement,
just gets a ton of money
533
00:21:24,884 --> 00:21:26,252
from the federal government.
534
00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:28,487
I want that to be
more based on need
535
00:21:28,521 --> 00:21:30,656
instead of just based on number.
536
00:21:30,689 --> 00:21:33,259
When you look at that, though,
America has a history
537
00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:36,095
of underpreparing
for these situations.
538
00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:38,364
You know, if you go back,
every time there's, like,
539
00:21:38,397 --> 00:21:41,467
a stimulus bill, every time
it falls short of the mark.
540
00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:43,369
And in hindsight,
economists go, "Aw,
541
00:21:43,402 --> 00:21:45,337
"we just didn't spend
enough money.
542
00:21:45,371 --> 00:21:47,439
We didn't give the people
enough money."
543
00:21:47,473 --> 00:21:50,276
I mean, 70% of Americans
are saying, "We want this bill.
544
00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:52,111
We want these checks.
We need this help."
545
00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:54,947
Don't you think it's better
to err on the side of caution
546
00:21:54,980 --> 00:21:57,483
and just go like,
"Well, let's maybe overspend,
547
00:21:57,516 --> 00:21:58,884
"but let's get the economy going
548
00:21:58,918 --> 00:22:00,553
"and let's get people
out of their houses
549
00:22:00,586 --> 00:22:02,188
and let's get people
eating again."
550
00:22:02,221 --> 00:22:04,089
Yeah, look, I think
it's a good point to make,
551
00:22:04,123 --> 00:22:05,558
and I think, you know,
for the last year
552
00:22:05,591 --> 00:22:06,692
we've been doing that.
553
00:22:06,725 --> 00:22:08,994
There have been a lot of
pretty sizable amounts of money
554
00:22:09,028 --> 00:22:10,896
we've been spending on things
555
00:22:10,930 --> 00:22:13,432
like the Payroll
Protection Program, et cetera.
556
00:22:13,465 --> 00:22:16,402
But look, if you want to
reach out to me for that output,
557
00:22:16,435 --> 00:22:18,871
I'm happy to chat with
the administration about it,
558
00:22:18,904 --> 00:22:20,973
but they didn't,
and the numbers I saw were like,
559
00:22:21,006 --> 00:22:23,209
hey, yeah, we're
gonna spend a lot of money,
560
00:22:23,242 --> 00:22:26,011
but we still have to understand
what we're doing with it,
561
00:22:26,045 --> 00:22:28,347
because this money has
to be paid back at some point.
562
00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:30,416
So again, my hope is,
with the Senate,
563
00:22:30,449 --> 00:22:32,117
you know,
if it hits a bottleneck there
564
00:22:32,151 --> 00:22:34,019
we can have an opportunity
for bipartisan.
565
00:22:34,053 --> 00:22:36,288
And I'm still eager
on bipartisan things,
566
00:22:36,322 --> 00:22:37,623
like infrastructure
going forward,
567
00:22:37,656 --> 00:22:39,592
'cause this country
deserves people
568
00:22:39,625 --> 00:22:41,594
that can have a conversation,
like you and I are,
569
00:22:41,627 --> 00:22:43,562
on this issue
without just hating each other.
570
00:22:43,596 --> 00:22:45,831
Uh, my personal opinion
has been that, you know,
571
00:22:45,865 --> 00:22:48,567
I think the two-party system
will, in some way, shape or form
572
00:22:48,601 --> 00:22:50,269
end up destroying America.
573
00:22:50,302 --> 00:22:52,705
That's my personal view, because
think it doesn't give people
574
00:22:52,738 --> 00:22:55,407
enough room to be more
than just one of two sides.
575
00:22:55,441 --> 00:22:57,743
I don't think there's
two sides to anything.
576
00:22:57,776 --> 00:22:59,879
Right now, though,
the Republican Party's
577
00:22:59,912 --> 00:23:02,181
in an interesting place.
578
00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:05,251
Are you a conservative,
and do you have these beliefs?
579
00:23:05,284 --> 00:23:07,319
Or do you raise a flag
that says "Donald Trump"?
580
00:23:07,353 --> 00:23:09,722
And it feels like
more Republicans are saying,
581
00:23:09,755 --> 00:23:12,291
"Forget Republican,
we are Trump."
582
00:23:12,324 --> 00:23:14,360
Where do you then go from there?
583
00:23:14,393 --> 00:23:16,262
Yeah, so that's
what the battle is right now,
584
00:23:16,295 --> 00:23:18,664
and I think that's gonna be...
(audio breaking up)
585
00:23:18,697 --> 00:23:20,399
...over the summer.
586
00:23:20,432 --> 00:23:24,203
I think Donald Trump is
gonna continue to be lessened
587
00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:26,238
as every day goes on,
because Americans, we have a...
588
00:23:26,272 --> 00:23:28,007
we don't always
solve challenges,
589
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,175
but we move on from them, and we
move on to the next president.
590
00:23:30,209 --> 00:23:32,444
So that's why
I started country1st.com,
591
00:23:32,478 --> 00:23:35,047
with a 1-S-T, it's just, like,
especially for Republicans,
592
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,949
Independents,
and even Democrats say,
593
00:23:36,982 --> 00:23:38,651
we need a healthy
Republican Party
594
00:23:38,684 --> 00:23:41,287
to have a place to go
to fight for the narrative
595
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,289
of the Republican Party,
'cause I'll tell you what,
596
00:23:43,322 --> 00:23:45,491
the two-party system
won't destroy the country
597
00:23:45,524 --> 00:23:47,626
if you have a healthy
opportunity for debate
598
00:23:47,660 --> 00:23:48,861
and an open tent.
599
00:23:48,894 --> 00:23:50,296
We should have people
that disagree
600
00:23:50,329 --> 00:23:54,667
in the Republican Party, as
the Democrats do in their party.
601
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,036
Well, um, you are in
for the ride of your life.
602
00:23:57,069 --> 00:23:58,704
It is gonna be
extremely vicious.
603
00:23:58,737 --> 00:24:02,208
It is going to be, um...
extreme,
604
00:24:02,241 --> 00:24:04,276
as you've seen
from within your own family.
605
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:07,446
And so, uh, we'll be watching,
and, um, yeah, good luck to you
606
00:24:07,479 --> 00:24:09,515
-versus Donald Trump.
-Thank you. Well, you know what?
607
00:24:09,548 --> 00:24:11,951
Some things you got
to put it all on the line for,
608
00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:14,086
-and I'm willing to.
-I hear you there.
609
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,055
-Thank you so much for taking
the time, Congressman. -You bet.
610
00:24:16,088 --> 00:24:18,057
Thanks again
to Congressman Kinzinger
611
00:24:18,090 --> 00:24:19,225
for joining us on the show.
612
00:24:19,258 --> 00:24:22,728
When we come back, the
amazing H.E.R. will be my guest,
613
00:24:22,761 --> 00:24:24,930
and we'll talk
about the Grammys, the Oscars
614
00:24:24,964 --> 00:24:25,030
and how she's taken over
the world. So don't away.
615
00:24:29,401 --> 00:24:31,103
Welcome back to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
616
00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:34,005
Earlier today, I spoke with
Grammy Award-winning musician,
617
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:35,240
H.E.R.
618
00:24:35,273 --> 00:24:38,076
We talked about making music
during the pandemic,
619
00:24:38,110 --> 00:24:40,011
being shortlisted for an Oscar,
620
00:24:40,045 --> 00:24:43,381
and who the person is
behind the mysterious name.
621
00:24:43,415 --> 00:24:46,752
H.E.R., welcome to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
622
00:24:46,785 --> 00:24:48,520
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
623
00:24:48,553 --> 00:24:51,022
Um, it is an absolute pleasure
having you on,
624
00:24:51,056 --> 00:24:54,159
because you have become
just the soundtrack.
625
00:24:54,192 --> 00:24:56,428
Not the soundtrack of life, not
the soundtrack of the pandemic,
626
00:24:56,461 --> 00:24:58,630
just the soundtrack.
627
00:24:58,663 --> 00:25:00,866
That is what I feel like
when I think of H.E.R.
628
00:25:00,899 --> 00:25:03,468
Before we get
into the music itself, though,
629
00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:06,772
I would love to know the story
behind H.E.R.
630
00:25:06,805 --> 00:25:09,341
Because it is one
of the most unique artist names
631
00:25:09,374 --> 00:25:10,642
I've ever came across.
632
00:25:10,675 --> 00:25:12,277
(laughs):
Thank you. Thank you.
633
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:15,247
Um, yeah, you know, um,
I've just always loved music
634
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,882
since I was a little girl.
635
00:25:16,915 --> 00:25:18,717
It's always kind of been
a given to me
636
00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:21,987
just doing music, and, um,
I got signed very young,
637
00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:25,290
but I was making
this very honest music, um,
638
00:25:25,323 --> 00:25:27,659
in high school
that kind of just represented
639
00:25:27,692 --> 00:25:29,761
what I like to call
"the evolution of woman,"
640
00:25:29,795 --> 00:25:31,263
and me becoming a young woman
641
00:25:31,296 --> 00:25:32,898
and going
through different things
642
00:25:32,931 --> 00:25:35,967
and, you know,
changing and vulnerability,
643
00:25:36,001 --> 00:25:39,371
and, um, I guess, you know,
even it wasn't that deep,
644
00:25:39,404 --> 00:25:42,140
it was always that deep for me,
so I was writing this music
645
00:25:42,174 --> 00:25:46,044
that was kind of heavy,
um, and created this E.P.,
646
00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:49,881
Volume 1,
and I really wanted the project
647
00:25:49,915 --> 00:25:52,184
to just be...
the cover of the project
648
00:25:52,217 --> 00:25:56,088
to just be a silhouette, where
nobody knew what I looked like
649
00:25:56,121 --> 00:25:58,023
or, you know, anything about me,
650
00:25:58,056 --> 00:26:01,026
and I wanted
to have everything revealed
651
00:26:01,059 --> 00:26:04,196
in the music, and not
what we sometimes focus on
652
00:26:04,229 --> 00:26:07,833
with social media, 'cause
I'm really about the music.
653
00:26:07,866 --> 00:26:09,468
And that's where it came from.
654
00:26:09,501 --> 00:26:11,903
Yeah, I feel like,
more than most artists,
655
00:26:11,937 --> 00:26:15,040
you're really,
really, really focused on,
656
00:26:15,073 --> 00:26:17,743
not just the music, but
on keeping the music separate
657
00:26:17,776 --> 00:26:19,478
from your life.
658
00:26:19,511 --> 00:26:20,912
And it feels like
it's really intentional,
659
00:26:20,946 --> 00:26:23,515
where you've gone, "I don't
want you to know the person
660
00:26:23,548 --> 00:26:26,084
behind this, I want you to know
what the person is giving you."
661
00:26:26,118 --> 00:26:28,286
Why was that such a big deal
for you, and is that...
662
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,422
-is that a correct assertion?
-Absolutely.
663
00:26:30,455 --> 00:26:32,657
It's a big deal for me,
because I think music is...
664
00:26:32,691 --> 00:26:35,260
is the foundation and
music is the main part of it.
665
00:26:35,293 --> 00:26:37,295
We get so caught up
in what everybody else is doing,
666
00:26:37,329 --> 00:26:38,930
and then sometimes
we get disappointed,
667
00:26:38,964 --> 00:26:41,399
because at the end of the day,
you know, we're all human,
668
00:26:41,433 --> 00:26:43,535
we are all flawed,
we all go through things,
669
00:26:43,568 --> 00:26:45,570
and we all have stuff
we deal with
670
00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:48,640
outside of our art, and I
really just wanted to focus
671
00:26:48,673 --> 00:26:50,409
on the art, and, um, you know,
672
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:52,844
have a kind of a sense
of privacy, I guess.
673
00:26:52,878 --> 00:26:55,480
But, um, you know,
the music is the message.
674
00:26:55,514 --> 00:26:56,615
It makes you
want to fall in love.
675
00:26:56,648 --> 00:26:57,816
It makes you, you know, sad.
676
00:26:57,849 --> 00:26:59,017
It tells you what's going on.
677
00:26:59,050 --> 00:27:00,852
It's just a lot of things
that music does,
678
00:27:00,886 --> 00:27:02,320
and I think
we forgot about that.
679
00:27:02,354 --> 00:27:05,290
We forgot about the substance
that is the art of music,
680
00:27:05,323 --> 00:27:06,691
and-and that's what I'm about.
681
00:27:06,725 --> 00:27:09,294
You remind me of, um,
some of the greatest artists
682
00:27:09,327 --> 00:27:11,263
of-of, like,
my parents' generation
683
00:27:11,296 --> 00:27:13,932
where you-you can make
beautiful music about anything,
684
00:27:13,965 --> 00:27:16,501
but there are moments
where you take your time
685
00:27:16,535 --> 00:27:18,303
to make a song about the pain
686
00:27:18,336 --> 00:27:19,971
that people
are experiencing in life.
687
00:27:20,005 --> 00:27:21,273
A-And, you know,
688
00:27:21,306 --> 00:27:23,642
one of the most famous songs
in that regard
689
00:27:23,675 --> 00:27:26,111
is "I Can't Breathe,"
you know, a song that came out
690
00:27:26,144 --> 00:27:28,580
during the height of protests
in America,
691
00:27:28,613 --> 00:27:31,083
during the height of
many people's pain in America.
692
00:27:31,116 --> 00:27:32,884
Um, you wrote
another song recently
693
00:27:32,918 --> 00:27:34,152
about Fred Hampton, you know,
694
00:27:34,186 --> 00:27:35,353
for Judas
and the Black Messiah.
695
00:27:35,387 --> 00:27:36,788
Another song nominated.
696
00:27:36,822 --> 00:27:39,291
And all of these songs
are really painful,
697
00:27:39,324 --> 00:27:41,259
but at the same time,
it feels like you're trying
698
00:27:41,293 --> 00:27:42,961
to inspire us to something.
699
00:27:42,994 --> 00:27:45,530
You know, it-it doesn't feel
like it's a hopeless song.
700
00:27:45,564 --> 00:27:47,132
It feels like it's hopeful
701
00:27:47,165 --> 00:27:49,601
despite the stories
ending the way that they did.
702
00:27:49,634 --> 00:27:51,870
When you're making that music,
703
00:27:51,903 --> 00:27:55,140
do you... do you think
about the thing first,
704
00:27:55,173 --> 00:27:57,976
or does, you know,
does-does the event inspire you?
705
00:27:58,009 --> 00:28:00,178
I'd love to know
what that process is
706
00:28:00,212 --> 00:28:01,379
or how it comes about for you,
707
00:28:01,413 --> 00:28:03,081
because it really connects
with people.
708
00:28:03,115 --> 00:28:05,183
Oh, thank you.
I-It really depends.
709
00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:07,886
You know, when it...
when it came to-to, like,
710
00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:09,354
a song like "I Can't Breathe,"
711
00:28:09,387 --> 00:28:11,156
it was the heat of the moment.
712
00:28:11,189 --> 00:28:13,458
It was like, okay,
I'm literally looking
713
00:28:13,492 --> 00:28:15,727
outside my window
in New York City
714
00:28:15,761 --> 00:28:19,564
and seeing a huge crowd
of people protesting,
715
00:28:19,598 --> 00:28:23,001
and I'm seeing all these things
on the news, on social media.
716
00:28:23,034 --> 00:28:25,303
It's everywhere we look.
And it's great
717
00:28:25,337 --> 00:28:26,671
that it's
everywhere we look now,
718
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:28,573
because now there's
kind of this awakening,
719
00:28:28,607 --> 00:28:29,975
-I think, going on.
-Right.
720
00:28:30,008 --> 00:28:32,544
And, um, and a lot
is being exposed,
721
00:28:32,577 --> 00:28:34,146
and we've had time to be still.
722
00:28:34,179 --> 00:28:37,115
And, so, you know,
I've had time to be still
723
00:28:37,149 --> 00:28:38,583
and look at the world around me
724
00:28:38,617 --> 00:28:41,453
and-and really sit
with this pain
725
00:28:41,486 --> 00:28:42,988
and this kind of anxiety like...
726
00:28:43,021 --> 00:28:45,023
Okay, you know,
some of the lyrics are like,
727
00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:47,159
"How do we cope
when we don't love each other?
728
00:28:47,192 --> 00:28:49,327
What is a gun
to a man that surrenders?"
729
00:28:49,361 --> 00:28:51,463
You know,
"How do we judge off of color?"
730
00:28:51,496 --> 00:28:54,766
And, you know,
all of these things that I said
731
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,470
really was just like,
"Why? Why, why, why?"
732
00:28:58,503 --> 00:29:00,338
-Right. -And, "Why do we
have to live in fear?
733
00:29:00,372 --> 00:29:01,773
Why does this keep happening?"
734
00:29:01,807 --> 00:29:03,175
There are songs, like, you know,
735
00:29:03,208 --> 00:29:05,977
from-from a whole other time,
736
00:29:06,011 --> 00:29:07,512
you know, back in the day.
737
00:29:07,546 --> 00:29:10,148
There're songs that Sly and
the Family Stone were writing,
738
00:29:10,182 --> 00:29:12,551
Marvin Gaye and people like that
were writing
739
00:29:12,584 --> 00:29:14,686
that are still relevant
to today,
740
00:29:14,719 --> 00:29:16,755
and it's kind of, like,
continuing that thought
741
00:29:16,788 --> 00:29:18,957
of like,
"Why is this still happening?"
742
00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:20,358
Um, and that pain.
743
00:29:20,392 --> 00:29:23,462
And I think the goal
is always to make people hopeful
744
00:29:23,495 --> 00:29:26,431
and, um, to also educate
through music
745
00:29:26,465 --> 00:29:28,200
and-and let people know
what's going on
746
00:29:28,233 --> 00:29:29,701
and that we have
a responsibility
747
00:29:29,735 --> 00:29:31,103
to try to make a change.
748
00:29:31,136 --> 00:29:32,504
And, um, I'll never forget
749
00:29:32,537 --> 00:29:34,272
a call that I received
from somebody,
750
00:29:34,306 --> 00:29:37,976
and they said that
their 70-year-old Jewish father
751
00:29:38,009 --> 00:29:41,713
listened to my song and told
the person that called me,
752
00:29:41,747 --> 00:29:43,248
and they were like,
"Yo, have you heard this song
753
00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:45,717
by this girl? It really
made me think differently."
754
00:29:45,751 --> 00:29:47,352
-Wow.
-And at that moment....
755
00:29:47,385 --> 00:29:49,020
Yeah. At that moment, I knew,
756
00:29:49,054 --> 00:29:50,789
"Oh, my gosh,
this is so much bigger
757
00:29:50,822 --> 00:29:53,058
than me expressing my feelings
on a page."
758
00:29:53,091 --> 00:29:56,762
Now it's-it's, uh, changing
the way that people think.
759
00:29:56,795 --> 00:29:58,530
-Right. -You know, and the way
that people see things,
760
00:29:58,563 --> 00:29:59,965
and that's what music
is supposed to do.
761
00:29:59,998 --> 00:30:01,566
-Mm-hmm. -So, the fact
that I can do that,
762
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,836
um, you know,
just off of what I feel
763
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:07,205
and the responsibility
that I now feel
764
00:30:07,239 --> 00:30:09,274
to express
what's going on today.
765
00:30:09,307 --> 00:30:12,644
As much as you maintain
your anonymity
766
00:30:12,677 --> 00:30:13,979
and your... and your privacy,
767
00:30:14,012 --> 00:30:16,181
you also share yourself
768
00:30:16,214 --> 00:30:17,783
in one
of the most vulnerable ways
769
00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:19,418
I've ever come across, you know?
770
00:30:19,451 --> 00:30:21,420
We're used to seeing
artists onstage.
771
00:30:21,453 --> 00:30:23,522
We're used to seeing
these big, lavish performances.
772
00:30:23,555 --> 00:30:25,223
But once the pandemic struck,
773
00:30:25,257 --> 00:30:27,926
we saw H.E.R.
in a completely different way.
774
00:30:27,959 --> 00:30:30,228
You started hosting
really intimate performances,
775
00:30:30,262 --> 00:30:32,130
you know,
from a room in your house,
776
00:30:32,164 --> 00:30:33,732
whether it was on Instagram Live
777
00:30:33,765 --> 00:30:36,068
or whether it was, like,
a Zoom performance.
778
00:30:36,101 --> 00:30:37,869
And it felt like
you were sharing
779
00:30:37,903 --> 00:30:39,271
a different side of yourself.
780
00:30:39,304 --> 00:30:41,339
It felt like you were sharing
the pandemic with us
781
00:30:41,373 --> 00:30:43,508
and then your thoughts
about what we were experiencing
782
00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:46,078
in-in real time.
What inspired that?
783
00:30:46,111 --> 00:30:48,547
And were you ever worried
about, like,
784
00:30:48,580 --> 00:30:51,550
almost being too vulnerable
and not being, like, prepared?
785
00:30:51,583 --> 00:30:53,285
You know, a lot...
a lot of people have the veneer.
786
00:30:53,318 --> 00:30:55,554
But you were just like,
"No, this is me. Let's do this."
787
00:30:55,587 --> 00:30:57,222
You know, in the beginning,
I was like, "Oh."
788
00:30:57,255 --> 00:30:58,857
'Cause I...
One of my first times
789
00:30:58,890 --> 00:31:00,892
going on Instagram Live
was in the pandemic,
790
00:31:00,926 --> 00:31:02,594
and I'm in the house with,
you know,
791
00:31:02,627 --> 00:31:05,897
my hair in a messy bun
and just my plain, old hoodie.
792
00:31:05,931 --> 00:31:08,567
And I had just moved, so
the room was completely empty,
793
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,769
and, you know,
there was all this great reverb.
794
00:31:10,802 --> 00:31:12,437
So I was like,
"Let's just get into it.
795
00:31:12,471 --> 00:31:14,573
Let me just sing. Let me
just sing for the people."
796
00:31:14,606 --> 00:31:17,509
But it was... It was, honestly,
a way for me to stay connected
797
00:31:17,542 --> 00:31:19,644
and keep people updated
on what I'm doing,
798
00:31:19,678 --> 00:31:22,080
what I'm trying to do
in-in my artistry
799
00:31:22,114 --> 00:31:23,949
and my crea... my creativity.
800
00:31:23,982 --> 00:31:25,517
But, also, boredom.
801
00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:28,153
You know,
I-I really love music genuinely
802
00:31:28,186 --> 00:31:31,957
and-and wanted an opportunity
to be able to still do my thing,
803
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:34,359
and I think Instagram Live
was a good place to do it.
804
00:31:34,392 --> 00:31:36,828
And I started a series
called "Girls With Guitars,"
805
00:31:36,862 --> 00:31:39,397
and it was like, "Now I can jam
with other people on Live,"
806
00:31:39,431 --> 00:31:40,665
which is even better.
807
00:31:40,699 --> 00:31:42,067
And it turned
into something great.
808
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:44,836
So, you know, it was
just something I wanted to do.
809
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:46,138
Good luck for the Grammys.
810
00:31:46,171 --> 00:31:48,006
Good luck
for the rest of the journey,
811
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:50,675
because it's gonna be... it's
gonna be a crazy exciting one.
812
00:31:50,709 --> 00:31:52,611
And, um, I'm excited
to see where it takes you.
813
00:31:52,644 --> 00:31:55,380
Thank you so much. It was
so great speaking with you.
814
00:31:55,414 --> 00:31:57,349
Take care.
815
00:31:57,382 --> 00:31:59,451
Don't forget, people.
Judas and the Black Messiah
816
00:31:59,484 --> 00:32:02,120
is in theaters
and streaming now on HBO Max,
817
00:32:02,154 --> 00:32:04,656
and the soundtrack
featuring H.E.R.'s song
818
00:32:04,689 --> 00:32:06,858
"Fight for You"
is available right now.
819
00:32:06,892 --> 00:32:08,193
Right, we're gonna take
a quick break,
820
00:32:08,226 --> 00:32:08,293
but we'll be right back
after this.
821
00:32:11,729 --> 00:32:13,697
Well, that's our show
for tonight. But before we go,
822
00:32:13,731 --> 00:32:16,467
as you know,
March is Women's History Month,
823
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:18,769
so please consider supporting
an organization
824
00:32:18,803 --> 00:32:20,838
called She Should Run.
825
00:32:20,871 --> 00:32:22,940
It's a nonpartisan nonprofit
826
00:32:22,973 --> 00:32:24,775
working to increase
the number of women
827
00:32:24,809 --> 00:32:26,811
considering a run
for public office.
828
00:32:26,844 --> 00:32:28,412
Now, by supporting
She Should Run,
829
00:32:28,446 --> 00:32:30,748
you are helping women
from all political leanings,
830
00:32:30,781 --> 00:32:33,150
ethnicities, sexual identities
and backgrounds
831
00:32:33,184 --> 00:32:35,286
to see themselves
as future candidates.
832
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:36,654
If you're able to,
833
00:32:36,687 --> 00:32:38,989
go to the link below
and donate whatever you can.
834
00:32:39,023 --> 00:32:41,592
Until tomorrow,
stay safe out there,
835
00:32:41,625 --> 00:32:43,761
wear a mask, and remember:
836
00:32:43,794 --> 00:32:45,896
if you're attending a wedding,
837
00:32:45,930 --> 00:32:48,599
the salad fork is on your left
838
00:32:48,632 --> 00:32:52,336
and Governor Cuomo
is groping you on your right.
839
00:32:52,369 --> 00:32:55,740
Now, here it is,
Your Moment of Zen.
840
00:32:55,773 --> 00:32:57,775
? ?
841
00:32:59,610 --> 00:33:01,946
I'm fired up about this.
I don't know if you are,
842
00:33:01,979 --> 00:33:04,215
but my guess is
if you had a childhood
843
00:33:04,248 --> 00:33:05,983
and you read Dr. Seuss,
you might be.
844
00:33:06,016 --> 00:33:08,419
So, you're telling me
that the actual priorities
845
00:33:08,452 --> 00:33:10,588
of the Democrats
is renaming a post office
846
00:33:10,621 --> 00:33:12,590
and now canceling Dr. Seuss?
847
00:33:12,623 --> 00:33:14,759
NEWSMAN: One Fish, Two Fish,
Red Fish, Blue Fish
848
00:33:14,792 --> 00:33:16,761
is not as concerning as,
let's say,
849
00:33:16,794 --> 00:33:18,462
oh, I don't know, China.
850
00:33:18,496 --> 00:33:20,431
-Or anything else.
-Oh, you are absolutely right.
851
00:33:20,464 --> 00:33:23,634
I mean, we-we...
we are actually losing a battle
852
00:33:23,667 --> 00:33:25,569
that's not even started yet
against China.
853
00:33:25,603 --> 00:33:27,571
This is a threat that
we should be worrying about,
854
00:33:27,605 --> 00:33:30,207
'cause this is a threat that
actually harms American lives,
855
00:33:30,241 --> 00:33:32,243
not if Dr. Seuss is racist.
856
00:33:32,276 --> 00:33:32,343
I-I actually laugh
trying to think about that.