Well, hello, everybody. What's going on?
I'm Trevor Noah, and this is
The Daily Social Distancing Show.
Today is February 11, which means, my friends,
Valentine's Day is only three days away.
I repeat: three days away.
So just remember to leave out a plate
of milk and cookies for Cupid,
or else he'll make you get a divorce.
Anyway, on tonight's show,
Democrats make their closing arguments
against Donald J. Trump,
Jordan Klepper is back in D.C.
for the first time since the riots,
and why being nice to your mee-maw
might get you vaccinated.
Plus Daniel Kaluuya joins us on the show to talk about
his brand-new movie, Judas and the Black Messiah.
So let's do this, people.
Welcome to The Daily Social Distancing Show.
-? ? -ANNOUNCER: From Trevor's couch in New York City
to your couch somewhere in the world, this is
The Daily Social Distancing Show with Trevor Noah.
Let's talk about the coronavirus,
the only thing with more mutations than Rudy Giuliani.
There's good news in America,
as cases and hospitalizations continue to fall.
But with dangerous coronavirus variants spreading
around the country, the race is now on
to get as many people vaccinated
as quickly as possible.
Which is why, in Massachusetts, they started doing this.
NEWSWOMAN: Starting today in Massachusetts,
vaccine eligibility begins for friends and family members
who accompany a person
who is 75 years of age or older to their vaccine appointment.
Only one companion per person is allowed to sign up
for this vaccine appointment at a mass vaccination site,
regardless of their age or health.
Hell yeah, Massachusetts. Oh!
This is just like the club, but the exact opposite.
The shots are free, and if you have your grandma with you,
you get in right away.
But, yes, anyone can get a vaccine in Massachusetts,
as long as they roll up with someone 75 or over.
And you know what this means, right?
It means everyone is gonna want to make friends
with old people in Massachusetts now.
In fact, they should just make this
the next season of The Bachelorette.
Who will get Gladys' syringe?
Stay tuned to find out.
And this could also make for some awkward situations,
because this is when the grandkids find out
which one is the favorite,
or that grandma has been
having an affair with the pool boy all along.
I love you all equally,
but Javier has abs of steel.
And, look, I know there's gonna be a run on octogenarians now,
but if you ask me, we shouldn't need any more incentives
to hang out with old people.
Guys, old people are the best.
They're full of wisdom,
they usually have free candy in their pockets,
and they have lots of practical advice about
defeating Nazis, which is super useful these days.
But America isn't the only country
taking creative measures to combat coronavirus.
They're also making big changes in France,
aka horny Belgium,
where office culture may never be the same.
NEWSMAN: Employees in France will soon be allowed
to eat at their desks at work.
Currently, the French labor code actually prohibits
businesses from allowing employees to eat meals
in areas that are dedicated to work.
But the labor minister will be making the changes as part
of new COVID restrictions as employees return to the office.
Now, it could signal a change for a country with a very strong
work-life balance, with one French woman
telling The New York Times the amendment
is "a catastrophe."
I agree. This is a catastrophe
for French culture.
First, they start eating at their desks,
and what's next-- working at their desks?
Sacrebleu!
But this is kind of wild.
Apparently, up until now, it had been illegal in France
to eat lunch at your desk, because they think
if it's allowed, workers are gonna be pressured to do it
instead of taking a lunch break.
Not to mention, it's really hard to get
fresh ground pepper out of a keyboard.
And I'm not gonna lie. I was really surprised
to learn about this rule.
I mean, I would have thought that if anyone
ate while they were working, it would be the French.
I mean, their main pastry doubles as a phone.
(French accent): Allo? Marguerette,
I need those documents on my desk
by the end of the day.
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
Okay, magnifique.
(regular accent): And, finally, a story
about some people in the Caribbean
who were quarantining a little too well.
NEWSWOMAN: This morning, three Cuban nationals
are recovering after being stranded
on a remote, deserted island for five weeks.
The married couple and another man were found on Anguilla Cay,
a small island between Key West and the Bahamas.
MAN: We actually discovered them
waving, uh, next to their, uh, temporary shelter
that they had built for themselves.
NEWSWOMAN: Pictures show the shelter the three had made.
With little food and water, they reportedly survived
off rats and conch shells.
Good lord, people.
That sounds absolutely traumatic.
To be on a beach and not be able to Instagram it?
Ooh! That is a punishment
I wish on nobody.
But, yeah, that's right: a married couple and another man
were stranded on an island for 33 days.
And the person I feel worst for is the other man,
because not only are you the third wheel,
but once that rat supply dries up,
you know you're the first thing on the menu.
Why you guys... why you guys looking at me like?
D-Do you guys want to have, like, a threesome?
I mean, something like that.
But for real, actually being stranded
on a tropical island seems way less fun
than they made it seem on Gilligan's Island.
I don't remember ever seeing Mary Ann walking around
covered in rat blood.
But let's move on to our top story:
the second impeachment of Donald Trump,
former president of the United States
and current Mar-a-Lago toilet clogger.
Today was day three of the trial, and we'll catch you up
on all of the latest in another episode of
The Magical, Wonderful Road to Impeachment.
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That's probably presidential harassment.
So, today was the final day of the Democrats
presenting their case against Trump.
And one of the more shocking revelations of the presentation
has been never-before-seen footage of the riot,
which showed us just how close some senators came
to meeting the world's worst tour group.
House impeachment managers used graphic new video
and audio to recreate moments from the Capitol siege,
and some of that footage showed just how close
lawmakers and their staffers came to the pro-Trump mob
that stormed the Capitol.
NEWSWOMAN: Among the very close calls,
this security video showing
Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer
being escorted by his security detail,
then quickly turning around after spotting nearby rioters.
Another video shows Capitol police officer Eugene Goodman
redirecting Senator Mitt Romney
away from rioters just down the hall.
All right, that is terrifying.
There were so many rioters in so many parts of the Capitol,
that these senators were just running around
like they were stuck in the Weeknd's halftime maze.
And you can understand why Mitt Romney, especially,
would be sprinting away from this mob.
I mean, these are the people who were chanting
"Hang Mike Pence."
Mike Pence. The man who's spent the last four years
eye-banging the back of Trump's head.
So, to them, Mitt Romney is basically Mormon AOC.
I mean, I don't know what Mitt would have done
if he had run into them.
He would have had to try and blend in with them.
Let's find these traitors!
It's time to kill the Deep State!
"I heartily agree, my good friends.
"And, afterwards, let's go to the local confectionary
and enjoy some vanilla milkshakes."
"What?!
"Great idea!
This guy's all right!"
But this isn't an impeachment trial
of a few thousand insane QAnon followers. No.
This is the impeachment of Donald Trump.
So, once again today, the Democrats focused
on how Donald Trump incited the riot.
And what was really helpful
was that the rioters themselves provided the evidence.
Even after the attack,
the insurrectionists made clear to law enforcement
that they were just following President Trump's orders.
They didn't shy away from their crimes
because they thought they were following orders
from the commander in chief.
MAN: We were invited here!
We were invited!
Hey, we were invited here!
We were invited by the president of the United States!
There's a (bleep) million of us out there,
and we are listening to Trump, your boss!
Let's call Trump! Yes! (laughs)
Dude! Dude, let-let's tell Trump what's up.
We're fighting for Trump.
Guys, come on!
Don't call Trump in the middle of the riot.
You just saw him at the rally a couple hours ago.
You got to be chill.
You call the morning after the insurrection.
You know, you got to play the game.
Also, how embarrassing is this for Trump?
Even his supporters knew they can call him anytime
and he won't be busy.
But, overall, these videos make it pretty obvious
that Trump incited the rioters.
They were wearing Trump hats, carrying Trump flags,
and they all just watched Trump speak
and they were chanting "Fight for Trump."
Even that dog from Blue's Clues is like,
"I need a challenge here, guys. We-we all--
we all know what this is, right?"
I mean, if one guy stormed the Capitol
because he thought you said it to him,
maybe you can just blame him.
But if an entire stadium of people
misunderstood you in the exact same way...
(hisses) I don't know, man-- that shit's on you.
But if there's one theme of this trial,
aside from Trump being super guilty,
it's Republican senators not caring
that Trump is super guilty.
The new evidence and the dramatic recreation
of the January 6 mayhem apparently did very little
to sway most-most of those Republican senators,
uh, the jurors.
Some of them are explicitly not listening:
feet up on desks, they're reading books,
they're reading, uh, briefing papers on other topics.
We are seeing more empty seats on the-the floor of the Senate.
Our colleague Manu Raju was in the-the Senate chamber
just a few moments ago. He counted up to 15 empty seats.
While the Democrats were playing their video
of rioters storming the Capitol,
a handful of Republican senators,
including Rick Scott, Tom Cotton, Marco Rubio,
barely even looked at the screen,
according to, uh, reports.
And Rand Paul was looking down at a paper in his lap,
where he had begun doodling with a pencil.
Okay, I'm sorry, that is so disrespectful.
Hey, Rand Paul! Why don't you show us what you were doodling
instead of paying attention to the present...
Oh, my God.
It's beautiful.
Wow, you... you should have been an artist, Rand.
You should...
These senators are a jury for a trial of the president,
but, instead, they're acting like bored middle schoolers.
What do Democrats have to do to make this interesting for them,
bring in one of those math teachers who raps everything?
? My name is Doug and I'm here to say ?
? Democracy was threatened in a major way. ?
(beatboxes)
So, for many Republicans,
there's nothing that could happen in this trial
to change their minds.
But if there's a Republican senator out there
who's still struggling to ignore the evidence against Trump,
well, good news,
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All right, when we come back,
Jordan Klepper goes back to D.C.
to see what happened after the Capitol riots.
And Daniel Kaluuya is joining us on the show.
So don't go away.
Welcome back to The Daily Social Distancing Show.
This is the second time
that Democrats have impeached Donald Trump,
and it raises the question:
have they learned any lessons from the first time?
Well, to find out,
we sent Jordan Klepper down to Washington, D.C.,
for another episode of Fingers the Pulse.
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KLEPPER: It's impeachment week.
Again. So I'm back in Washington, D.C.,
where our Capitol is a bit different
from the last time I was here.
It is hard to figure out how to get in towards the Capitol.
I want to get to the Capitol.
-Could I... -Go all the way down to Constitution.
There are miles and miles of fences.
Could somebody get on Parler or something
to figure out how to get... in there?
And the thousands of screaming MAGA folks is down to...
two.
What do you think of the impeachment?
What I saw and what there's a lot of evidence showing
is that many of the initial people
who entered the building violently were leftists, antifa.
I was here. It seemed like a lot of people were Trump supporters.
A thousand people broke into the Capitol,
erected a noose outside, and tried to kill
-the speaker of the house and the vice president. -Hey.
I-I literally think that you have added the "tried to kill
all those things" and you have ignored...
-I got to show you some videos. I got to... -Me, too! (stammers)
You want to trade videos? 'Cause I'd love to share a video
-with you as well. -I'm-I'm not gonna give you my e-mail.
Yet the MAGA faithful aren't the only ones
who want to go to the video.
House prosecutors plan to "have a fast-paced, cinematic case."
Raskin is aiming for
a blockbuster action film this week.
Yes, Impeachment 2 is bigger and louder
and more cinematic than the first one.
Because, as we all know,
when you're dealing with American audiences,
stunning imagery goes farther than facts.
What are you doing?
Are you doing the spinny bad boy shot?
We always do the bad boy shot. Stop it.
I understand the Democrats' moviemaking angle,
but how was this blockbuster approach
playing with the few locals we could actually find?
The first impeachment gets in the weeds,
feels a little bit more like a complicated spy drama
made by a foreign director.
This new one?
This new one, I think, is just so obvious, you know?
It's full of drama and chaos,
unfortunately, murder and sedition, you know?
It has all of the good plot twists of a-a crime.
I'm not excited about it,
because the fact that it had to happen
is because something horrible happened in the first place.
You're not excited for the new impeachment.
Would you say you're getting too old for this shit?
I am Bruce Willis too old for this shit.
Technically, Danny Glover.
-You know... -Lethal Weapon. Danny Glover.
I guess Bruce Willis was getting too old
for the Die Hard series in and of itself.
Uh, all I'm saying is somebody needs to say,
"Hasta la vista, baby." Am I right?
As long as there's not a third movie, I'll be great.
I hope you're right. Although, we do have a villain
who's never been held accountable in his life.
It kind of keeps the franchise open.
I think they had a good opening day with the video,
and I think Jamie Raskin did a really good job of explaining
that some people were either getting ready
to just hide behind their desk
or, like, grab a pair of scissors and go out.
It's screenwriting 101.
Make it personal. Give us people to care about.
Exactly. Where's Jordan... Where's Jordan Peele?
-Jordan really needs to get up here. -He should be
-an impeachment manager. -I don't know. He's too busy
making scary stuff that I only stay through half of
because it's both scary
and I have certain race guilt issues
because of my privilege.
Showing hours and hours
of footage of blatant criminality
seems like a sound legal tactic.
So, how does the 2020 lead impeachment manager,
Adam Schiff, feel the sequel stacks up to the original?
Ours might have been more
the Ken Burns democ... documentary.
This might be more the HBO miniseries.
But, uh, you know, we had to try to bring to life
events that were happening
half a world away, uh, in Ukraine.
Here, you don't have to imagine, uh, anything
because senators were there.
Uh, the House members were there.
We watched it on our television screens.
Why-why do you think the impeachment is necessary?
It's absolutely necessary.
If he's not disqualified now,
if the senators don't follow their oath
and don't follow the evidence,
uh, and he's acquitted again and he decides to run again,
he will put the country through hell again.
Is accountability really America's thing?
I mean, that's...
We're better at, like, barbecue and wraparound sunglasses.
I think that the lack of priority on accountability
over the last several years
has been why we're in this predicament.
There are critics who say Congress should go back
to doing more important things,
like stopping the space lasers
that are causing all the wildfires.
Should we be focusing on those big, important issues?
Uh, this points to another huge problem.
-Not the lasers. -The wildfires.
(chuckles) But the people who believe...
-The people who believe. -...in that kooky, crazy,
uh, batshit conspiracy theory stuff.
Um, they're members of Congress now.
How do you convince people
who are both witnesses and jurors to a crime
that a crime actually occurred?
The Republican party needs to be a party
of ide-ideas and ideology again.
At the end of the day, what this is really about is,
uh, can they find the courage
to tell their constituents back home
that what they were fed by Donald Trump
was a bunch of lies?
So, you're banking on the courage
of someone like Ted Cruz.
-(laughs) -Good luck with that.
-I mean... -If I was gonna bank on that,
I would be bankrupt a long time ago.
I was gonna say, he won't even stand up for his wife
let alone the country, so...
So, the final jury is the American people.
Which, in, like, Rotten Tomatoes,
it's like the critics' score versus the audience score.
Now, the first impeachment was great. Critics loved it.
Audience was so-so on it. But maybe for this new one,
the audience score pops right up and there's a conviction?
Well, I-I'm hoping that the, uh, the audience score
and the senators' score are in alignment
and they both say, "We never want to see
the likes of Donald Trump in office again."
KLEPPER: So, will Impeachment Two: Don't Rush to Judgment Day
move any Senate Republicans to convict Trump?
As I look around our transformed Capitol
for signs of hope, I know...
No more Bad Boy shots, okay?
I-I'm-I'm... No. No.
Thank you so much for that, Jordan. All right,
when we come back, Daniel Kaluuya joins me
on the show to talk about his brand-new movie,
Judas and the Black Messiah.
You don't want to miss it.
Welcome back to The Daily Social Distancing Show.
Earlier today, I spoke
with award-winning actor Daniel Kaluuya.
We talked about his brand-new film
where he portrays Black Panther chairman Fred Hampton.
(cheering)
You can murder a liberator, but you can't murder liberation.
You can murder a revolutionary, but you can't murder revolution.
And you can murder a freedom fighter,
but you can't murder freedom!
(cheering)
-Say, "I am..." -CROWD: I am!
-"A revolutionary." -A revolutionary!
-I am... -I am!
-...a revolutionary! -A revolutionary!
-I am... -I am!
-...a revolutionary! -A revolutionary!
I am a revolutionary!
What's happening, Trevor, man? What's going on?
You can kill a revolutionary, but you can't kill a revolution.
-Yeah. -And that's... Can I tell you something, Daniel Kaluuya?
That is my favorite... Let me tell you something, man.
It's been a while since I watched a movie.
Man, kudos to everyone. Kudos to yourself.
Kudos to LaKeith. Kudos to Shaka King.
This... This is... Yeah, man.
I... If I had the Oscars at my house,
I would just give them to you now.
-(laughs) -You don't need to go to the awards.
We just take the Oscars, we give them to you now,
and you go home and you do whatever you want with them.
How are you doing, my dude?
I'm going through it, bro. This-this press run... (laughs)
Speak about this. No, I'm good. I'm good, I'm good.
You know when you did something that you're proud of?
-Yeah. -You know, everyone put everything into that.
Everyone put everything into that,
so I'm feeling good, man. How are you?
-I like your hair, man. -Thank you very much, man.
I'm-I'm ready to join the Black Panther party.
-That's what I'm ready to do right now. -Hey, bro.
I can see you on the front line with that hairstyle, brother.
(both laugh)
Feed some kids in the breakfast program right now
with that hairstyle right there.
Oh, man, this movie... I-I... You-you must be tired, man.
You must be running around doing press,
because everybody should want to speak to you about this film,
Judas and the Black Messiah.
Like, look, Daniel, you've known for a long time
I'm one of your biggest fans, but there...
You know, there are things that... You know,
even if you love Lionel Messi,
there's still a goal that he'll score
where you're like, "How did he do that?"
Even if you love Ronaldo, he'll do, like,
a kick where you're like, "How did he do that?"
That's what I feel like you do with your acting,
is I know how you act. I love how you act.
Whether it's Queen & Slim, you know, whether it's Get Out,
it doesn't matter what it is.
But in this film, in Judas and the Black Messiah,
we see a side of not just the Black Panther party
but Fred Hampton that I think many people
wouldn't know about in American history.
Tell me a little about the story and why Daniel Kaluuya decided,
"Nah, I-I think I can bring this person to life
in a way that a lot of people haven't seen before."
Yes, um... Yeah, do you know, Chairman Fred,
uh, he was a man of the people, you know?
He was, uh, in Chicago,
and he became chairman of the Illinois chapter
of the Black Panther party.
And it-it-it...
Ryan and Zinzi Coogler actually pulled me to the side
on the Black Panther reshoots and asked me to be a part of it.
And when I... I just felt honored.
I just felt honored that they even saw me in that way.
You know? It kind of is something that came to me.
They saw it before I saw it.
And, um, and, uh... And then, yeah,
I just read the script, and I was just like...
You know,
there's a lot of information about how he died,
but there's not a lot of information
about how remarkably he lived.
-Right. -You know? That's what it is.
It's just like, "Wow. This-this guy lived incredibly."
-You know what I'm saying? -Right.
He knew things on a deep, deep, deep level,
-and not only knew them, executed them. -Right.
It's the knowledge, and he had original thoughts,
and then he-he did something about it in a way
that was digestible to people that were like him.
You know, it's, like, there's so much that has to happen there.
-And he was 20, 21 for this? -Right.
You know, it's like he was just...
I say he's like a brilliant mind and a brilliant heart.
So for that, it's kind of like, you know...
It's kind of like a way to serve something that...
that was... that was articulating stuff
that you believed, but also,
it's that kind of like, it was...
Learning about chairman Fred allowed me
-to grow as a man, you know? -I can only imagine.
So, I look at my preconceptions, look at my fears
and hang-ups that I had, and kind of grow
in order to kind of occupy his words, you know?
I think "preconceptions" is the perfect word,
because the stories that we've been told
about so many historical figures are told by the people
who oftentimes either ended their lives prematurely,
or didn't want them to free the people they were trying to free.
I mean, Nelson Mandela was labeled as a terrorist.
You know? Mahatma Gandhi was persona non grata
with the British.
Um, Fred Hampton was no different.
And what I love about this story is,
it doesn't show us a simplistic view
of the Black Panther Party or Fred Hampton.
It shows us a holistic view.
In this film, though, we go,
these are human beings fighting for their rights.
And what I loved was how the story talks
about how the Black Panther Party built a coalition
of Black, white and Hispanic to fight against oppression.
Yeah, yeah, that was... that was the scariest thing
to the powers that be, you know,
is that Chairman Fred had the, uh, the knowledge,
the clarity, and the ability to kind of see people
from different communities and understand
that they were... they were more aligned than people would think,
especially people that they had conflicts with,
like the Young Patriots, you know?
There's a scene in the film where we go in there,
-and we're greeted with the Confederate flag. -Right.
You know, and even in conflict, Chairman Fred
and the Black Panther Party found points of interest.
You know? But not in sacrifice
of their love of Blackness and love of the Black community.
-Right. -'Cause now we live in a day and age, if you join
with someone that isn't aligned with you,
you feel like you're selling out,
you're compromising yourself.
That thought wasn't even in their mind. They were...
It was all to bolster their love for the community.
But they saw that, um, uh, there were...
It was better in solidarity
than in fragmentation, you know?
I would love to know from your side as Daniel,
how did you begin to embody Fred the way that you did?
Like, what did you look for in him
that helped you bring him to life in this movie?
You know what it is, Trevor. I kind of...
I was in a space where I would watch his speeches,
and be aware of how I was feeling as a result of it.
You know what I'm saying? And going, how I was feeling,
mood and-and... and that. So then, I was like,
"Oh, my goal is to occupy his spiritual space, that position."
-Hmm. -And go, "I want to move the audience in the way
that he is moving me at this moment."
You know, and I don't really know the words
for that feeling that I felt, but I knew I felt it.
And I said... I knew I was able to occupy it.
And I was like, "All right, cool, let me just go there
and let me have that as my aspiration in terms of this."
And that's kind of... it's kind of like
you're a vessel in those situations.
In certain scenes by saying his actual words.
And you can't help but let the words tell you how to play it,
let the words tell you how to be.
The voice. Talk me through the voice
and how-how important that was.
'Cause I feel like Get Out was all about the eyes.
You know, you-you made those eyes come alive.
It felt like that was the whole story.
And it felt like in this, a lot of Fred is that voice.
Yeah, it was. The voice was everything,
um, in-in approaching it, so then I was...
When I started dialect work with Audrey LeCrone,
an amazing dialect coach,
it was a real... kind of real challenge and...
Also, another thing was, well, I had to really watch my voice
because I'm not, um, classically trained.
Well, how I arrived to acting
-was a very raw, improv way. -Yeah.
And I had a tendency when I did plays, to kind of just go "Aah!"
And just lead with emotion, but damage my voice.
And I knew on this one, I couldn't afford to.
You know what I'm saying?
Because you're doing 12-hour days
with just doing speeches.
So, Audrey said, "Yo, you should look into a singing coach."
-So I found an opera singing coach. -Wow.
Met with an opera singing coach, and then, um... and then...
Because I just... I love the way
-opera singers commanded the space. -Uh-huh.
And a call. Sonically, Chairman Fred felt like that.
-Yeah. -You know? How he occupied a room.
You know, he just occupied it.
And, um... and because of the amount I was doing,
I needed to engage with my diaphragm
and condition my vocal chords
for those kind of days, and so, I would do gospel songs,
and I would do songs that felt like Chairman Fred's speeches.
Then I'll do the speeches. And then, I would study in cadence.
'Cause he had a different cadence to when he spoke
to a different cadence to when he did speeches.
-Right. Right. -And so, I'm identifying
and defining those differences, but also, feeling
-like the same person. -Uh-uh.
It's kind of like, it was a... There was a kind of...
But, also, for me, what was his speech patterns
was, like, a clue into his thought patterns.
Having spent all this time embodying the man,
researching him, living in him,
you know, recreating that history,
what do you think some of the misconceptions are
that people have about Fred Hampton
that you've learned about him,
and-and maybe has changed in your mind, as well,
since taking on this role?
I was blessed enough that I didn't have any preconceptions
about, um, him, you know?
And I didn't have any preconceptions
about the Black Panther Party.
I just understood that other people, in order for...
-You know, like the white fear dressed as hate. -Right, right.
In order for it to get manifested, it's like,
"These people are, like, killing us.
They're terrorists. They're like the Ku Klux Klan."
You know, and it's that kind of thing where, like,
actually, I thought, like, these people, like, had incredible,
uncompromising love for themselves.
And they would... they would guard themselves with guns
and then guard their community with guns, because...
because you're trying to kill us.
You know, it's like if you don't protect your family...
Like, say there's... someone... a burglar comes into your house,
and you don't protect your family.
What are you saying about yourself?
And what are you saying about how you feel about your family?
You know, everyone understands that scenario.
But I think the Black community within America,
there's a lot happening.
There's these people that are occupying their spaces
and oppressing these people,
and Black people around the world, you know.
-Right, right. -Oppressing Black people.
If you don't stand up for yourself, it doesn't make sense.
It makes sense to protect yourself.
But it's not only do they protect themselves.
-They loved themselves, bought into themselves. -Mm, mm.
You know? And the protection was just a manifestation
of a form of love, you know?
One-One thing that really stood out to me in this film was
realizing how people are connected
around the globe without even realizing it.
And when you watch the story of the Black Panthers,
they were an international organization.
They were here, you know, and they were trying to expand
in the U.S., but they comm... they talked to people
from different places around the world and said,
"You share a struggle that we share,
and we want to do this together."
How do you think that has factored into, like,
how you play these roles and what you think about it?
You know, when you look
at that shared experience around the globe...
'Cause some people might be like,
"Ah, Daniel Kaluuya, you come from England.
You drink tea all day, and you have a good life."
But sometimes, there's a disconnect,
and I feel like the Black Panthers understood that.
They would connect with Black from other places to be like,
"Yo, we are all Black,
"and we are all experiencing this oppression
in a similar, and yet different way."
I think... I think Chairman Fred, especially, understood
-it was an international struggle, you know? -Mm-hmm.
And you see in the first speech that he references
the Mozambique and Frelimo fighters, you know?
-Right, right, -He references the struggles in Angola.
You know, it's like, he under... He's connecting the dots.
You know, when I was like, um,
his points of references were, like, Jomo Kenyatta.
You know, it's like... and you can go on that kind of...
rabbit hole and go down there and find out all the stuff
that's happening there in-in terms of how to...
battle what's happening here and what, um,
-sometimes what pitfalls to look out for, you know? -Right.
Instead of overthrowing, actually you're just replacing
what was there with a, with a black face.
-Do you know what I'm saying? -Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
It's... and he said the issue is capitalism.
-You know? And-and so... -Yes, yes.
it's understanding, understanding not... he-he...
they saw it as a bigger, as a macro point of view, you know?
-Right. -And they saw it as, like, they saw it as...
this is a Western construct that's kind of--
a Western virus, it's like, you know, it's like a pandemic,
you know, um, what's, what's, what's happened to Black people
and the oppression of Black people from white fear
and white anxiety.
I hope that everyone sees the film.
And then I hope that everyone who's voting sees the film,
as well, because it deserves every award-award possible.
Thank you for creating it, thank you being here.
I love seeing you again, my friend.
Love, man. Appreciate you, my bro.
Don't forget, people, Judas and the Black Messiah
is in theaters and on HBO Max February 12.
All right, we're gonna take a quick break.
But we'll be right back after this.
Well, that's our show for tonight, but before we go,
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all to inspire Black boys and other vulnerable children
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