1 00:00:14,714 --> 00:00:22,522 MYSTERY. 2 00:00:22,522 --> 00:00:25,592 COULD SOLVING ONE UNTANGLE THE OTHER? 3 00:00:25,592 --> 00:00:30,063 >> THERE WERE QUESTIONS, REALLY STRANGE THINGS ABOUT HER 4 00:00:30,063 --> 00:00:31,731 DISAPPEARANCE. SOMETHING JUST WASN'T RIGHT. 5 00:00:31,731 --> 00:00:35,201 WE JUST HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED TO PAM. 6 00:00:35,201 --> 00:00:38,438 NEW TWISTS AND TURNS IN A HEARTBREAKING STORY. 7 00:00:38,438 --> 00:00:41,574 >> WHEN YOU WATCH THE VIDEO FRAME BY FRAME, YOU START TO SEE 8 00:00:41,574 --> 00:00:45,178 LITTLE THINGS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE. 9 00:00:45,178 --> 00:00:48,715 >> A COUPLE OF TEXT MESSAGES CAME IN THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT 10 00:00:48,715 --> 00:00:50,116 THE BROTHER DERRICK. >> IT'S AWKWARD TO HAVE TO ASK 11 00:00:50,116 --> 00:00:51,851 SOMEBODY, "DID YOU KILL YOUR SISTER?" 12 00:00:51,851 --> 00:00:54,454 >> SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE MET JOSE AND THAT THIS WAS PRETTY 13 00:00:54,454 --> 00:00:56,489 SERIOUS. >> Reporter: ON A FIRST TAKE, 14 00:00:56,489 --> 00:00:59,192 HOW DOES JOSE COME ACROSS? >> WORKS HARD, SERVED HIS 15 00:00:59,192 --> 00:01:02,962 COUNTRY. >> YOU KNEW SOMETHING BAD HAD 16 00:01:02,962 --> 00:01:05,699 HAPPENED I WANTED TO FIND PAM 17 00:01:05,699 --> 00:01:11,271 >> WHEN THEY WERE ON THE SCENE, SOMEONE REMEMBERED THAT SIX 18 00:01:11,271 --> 00:01:13,139 MILES SOUTH FROM THERE, THEY HAD FOUND SOME OTHER REMAINS 19 00:01:13,139 --> 00:01:16,576 >> HIS FIRST WIFE, MARTA, WHO'S DISAPPEARED OFF THE FACE OF THE 20 00:01:16,576 --> 00:01:19,679 EARTH. >> WE HAVE WIFE NUMBER ONE 21 00:01:19,679 --> 00:01:22,282 MISSING, AND NOW WE HAVE PAM BUTLER MISSING 22 00:01:22,282 --> 00:01:25,652 >> HE WAS NAMED AS A BENEFICIARY IN HER WILL. 23 00:01:25,652 --> 00:01:29,322 IS THERE POSSIBLE MOTIVE THERE >> SOME PUZZLES TAKE LONGER THAN 24 00:01:29,322 --> 00:01:33,259 OTHERS >> PAM'S CELLPHONE PINGED. 25 00:01:33,259 --> 00:01:45,872 SO IS PAM ALIVE OR IS THIS THE DAY WE FIND HER BODY 26 00:01:45,872 --> 00:01:53,313 >> HERE'S DENNIS MURPHY WITH "A HAUNTING STRETCH OF ROAD." 27 00:01:56,483 --> 00:01:57,617 >> Reporter: THESE GRAINY NIGHT-TIME IMAGES ARE SOME OF 28 00:01:57,617 --> 00:02:00,353 THE LAST KNOWN MOMENTS IN THE LIFE OF A SUCCESSFUL WOMAN 29 00:02:00,353 --> 00:02:04,157 A PERSON WHO SIMPLY VANISHED WITHOUT A TRACE FROM HER HOME. 30 00:02:04,157 --> 00:02:06,593 >> WHAT HAPPENED INSIDE THAT HOUSE? 31 00:02:06,593 --> 00:02:10,530 >> Reporter: YOU MIGHT KNOW SOME OF HER STORY, BUT SOLVING WHAT 32 00:02:10,530 --> 00:02:15,135 HAPPENED TO HER OPENED UP AN ENTIRELY NEW SAGA YOU DON'T KNOW 33 00:02:15,135 --> 00:02:17,437 ABOUT ANOTHER MISSING WOMAN. >> IT'S A BIG PUZZLE 34 00:02:17,437 --> 00:02:22,208 >> Reporter: IT TOOK DECADES TO UNSNARL THE STORIES OF THE TWO 35 00:02:22,208 --> 00:02:25,178 WOMEN, WHO DIDN'T KNOW ONE ANOTHER BUT WHO BOTH ENDED YEARS 36 00:02:25,178 --> 00:02:31,151 APART IN THE SAME PLACE. >> IT'S IDIOSYNCRATIC. 37 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:34,087 THAT'S A SIGNATURE >> Reporter: WITHOUT A FEW 38 00:02:34,087 --> 00:02:36,890 INDIVIDUALS STRICKEN WITH A BAD CASE OF JUSTICE FEVER WE MIGHT 39 00:02:36,890 --> 00:02:39,092 NEVER KNOW THEIR STORIES AT ALL. >> THEY FOUND OUT THAT I WASN'T 40 00:02:39,092 --> 00:02:41,628 GOING TO GIVE UP >> Reporter: NOT THE TWISTS. 41 00:02:41,628 --> 00:02:47,167 >> TWO WOMEN, TWO CHILDREN, NEITHER KNOWS ABOUT THE OTHER. 42 00:02:47,167 --> 00:02:48,268 >> YES >> Reporter: THE SETBACKS -- 43 00:02:48,268 --> 00:02:49,336 >> THE CAUSE OF DEATH WAS UNDETERMINED 44 00:02:49,336 --> 00:02:52,605 >> Reporter: THE STARK FEAR OF IT ALL 45 00:02:52,605 --> 00:02:54,641 >> HE SAYS, "OH, MY GOD. HE'S GONNA KILL HER AND HE'S 46 00:02:54,641 --> 00:03:00,347 GONNA KILL ME. >> Reporter: THE FATES OF PAM 47 00:03:00,347 --> 00:03:02,082 AND MARTA UNITED IN HORROR ON ONE OF THE BUSIEST STRETCHES OF 48 00:03:02,082 --> 00:03:03,550 INTERSTATE IN THE COUNTRY. >> AND WHEN ALL THAT STUFF 49 00:03:03,550 --> 00:03:08,188 STARTED COMING OUT, I WAS LIKE, "OH, MY GOD. 50 00:03:08,188 --> 00:03:11,725 THIS GUY'S A MONSTER." >> Reporter: IN EARLY 51 00:03:11,725 --> 00:03:16,496 FEBRUARY 2009, PAMELA BUTLER, A MANAGER FOR THE FEDERAL 52 00:03:16,496 --> 00:03:18,798 GOVERNMENT, WAS ON A CHEER-UP MISSION TO DOUSE THE WINTER 53 00:03:18,798 --> 00:03:21,101 BLUES. THAT WAS TYPICAL PAM, SAYS HER 54 00:03:21,101 --> 00:03:23,536 BROTHER, DERRICK >> SHE WAS ALWAYS THE ONE THAT 55 00:03:23,536 --> 00:03:24,504 WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, "LET'S DO SOMETHING. 56 00:03:24,504 --> 00:03:26,506 WE'RE GONNA DO THIS. PERSONALITY, WHO WOULD YOU BE 57 00:03:26,506 --> 00:03:28,308 TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU THINK OF PAM? 58 00:03:28,308 --> 00:03:30,310 JUST A LOVELY PERSON I MEAN, SOMEBODY THAT WOULD GO 59 00:03:30,310 --> 00:03:32,345 OUT OF HER WAY TO HELP YOU >> Reporter: PAM TOLD BEST 60 00:03:32,345 --> 00:03:34,981 FRIEND, RITA MOSS, SHE HAD PLANNED A BUSY WEEK OUT ON THE 61 00:03:34,981 --> 00:03:38,885 TOWN WITH HER BOYFRIEND OF FIVE MONTHS, JOSE 62 00:03:38,885 --> 00:03:42,389 >> PAM AND I WERE TEXTING EACH OTHER AS WE NORMALLY DO. 63 00:03:42,389 --> 00:03:45,392 THE LAST TEXT SHE SENT IS THAT SHE AND JOSE WERE GOING TO THREE 64 00:03:45,392 --> 00:03:48,495 OR FOUR DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS 65 00:03:48,495 --> 00:03:50,530 >> Reporter: PAM WOULD WRAP UP HER BUSY SOCIAL WEEK WITH AN 66 00:03:50,530 --> 00:03:54,100 EARLY SATURDAY EVENING DINNER AT BEN'S CHILI BOWL, A FIXTURE OF 67 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:57,203 DOWNTOWN DC. HER GUESTS, JOSE AND HER MOM, 68 00:03:57,203 --> 00:04:01,408 THELMA BUT TWO DAYS BEFORE THEY WERE 69 00:04:01,408 --> 00:04:04,044 DUE TO GO OUT, THELMA REALIZED SOMETHING A LITTLE AWKWARD 70 00:04:04,044 --> 00:04:07,213 >> I SAID, "PAM, WE MADE A DATE TO GO OUT TO DINNER FOR 71 00:04:07,213 --> 00:04:09,549 SATURDAY DO YOU ALL KNOW SATURDAY'S 72 00:04:09,549 --> 00:04:11,618 VALENTINE'S DAY? >> YEAH. 73 00:04:11,618 --> 00:04:14,287 >> SHE SAID, "MOMMY, THAT'S OKAY." 74 00:04:14,287 --> 00:04:17,257 SHE SAY, "WE CAN STILL GO OUT. >> Reporter: THE PLAN WAS TO 75 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:20,260 MEET THAT VALENTINE'S DAY AT 3:00 P.M. AT THELMA'S HOME AND 76 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:23,363 DRIVE TO THE RESTAURANT. BUT WHEN 3:00 P.M. CAME THAT 77 00:04:23,363 --> 00:04:26,499 SATURDAY, PAM WAS A NO-SHOW. CALLS TO HER PHONE WENT 78 00:04:26,499 --> 00:04:29,602 UNANSWERED SO THELMA CALLED HER SON, 79 00:04:29,602 --> 00:04:32,205 DERRICK, WHO DIDN'T SEE ANY NEED TO WORRY 80 00:04:32,205 --> 00:04:34,441 >> NEW BOYFRIEND THEY WERE JUST OUT HAVIN' A GOOD 81 00:04:34,441 --> 00:04:36,543 TIME >> Reporter: THE NEXT DAY, 82 00:04:36,543 --> 00:04:39,813 SUNDAY NOW, THELMA TRIED AGAIN AND YET AGAIN ON MONDAY, WHICH 83 00:04:39,813 --> 00:04:43,183 HAPPENED TO BE THE PRESIDENT'S DAY HOLIDAY. 84 00:04:43,183 --> 00:04:46,619 >> SAY, "PAM'S STILL NOT ANSWERING HER PHONE. 85 00:04:46,619 --> 00:04:48,621 SOMETHING AIN'T RIGHT. SHE WOULDN'T DISAPPOINT ME LIKE 86 00:04:48,621 --> 00:04:51,091 THAT." >> Reporter: SO AFTER THE LONG 87 00:04:51,091 --> 00:04:54,094 HOLIDAY WEEKEND, AND STILL NO SIGN OF PAM, HER MOM, THELMA, 88 00:04:54,094 --> 00:04:56,463 AND HER NEPHEW, BRANDON, WHO'D RECENTLY MOVED OUT OF PAM'S 89 00:04:56,463 --> 00:05:00,400 HOME, WENT TO PAM'S HOUSE TO SEE IF SHE WAS OKAY. 90 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,070 >> GO TO HER PLACE MAIL ALL PILED ON THE PORCH. 91 00:05:04,070 --> 00:05:05,705 >> Reporter: VERY UNLIKE HER, HUH? 92 00:05:05,705 --> 00:05:09,609 >> HER MAIL WOULD NOT BE PILED UP LIKE THAT 93 00:05:09,609 --> 00:05:12,379 >> Reporter: INSIDE THE HOME, THERE WERE MORE NOT-LIKE-PAM 94 00:05:12,379 --> 00:05:16,049 SIGNS. TROUBLING >> PAPERS AND THINGS THROWED ALL 95 00:05:16,049 --> 00:05:17,050 OVER THE TABLE >> Reporter: EVERYTHING'S IN 96 00:05:17,050 --> 00:05:20,754 DISARRAY, HUH? >> DISARRAY. 97 00:05:20,754 --> 00:05:23,490 THIS IS NOT RIGHT, NOT RIGHT >> Reporter: THELMA CALLED PAM'S 98 00:05:23,490 --> 00:05:25,792 WORKPLACE ONLY TO LEARN HER DAUGHTER HADN'T SHOWN UP THERE 99 00:05:25,792 --> 00:05:28,094 EITHER ARE YOU GETTING NERVOUS AT THAT 100 00:05:28,094 --> 00:05:30,096 POINT? >> YES 101 00:05:30,096 --> 00:05:32,065 >> Reporter: THELMA CALLED DERRICK. 102 00:05:32,065 --> 00:05:34,834 >> AND MY MOTHER SAYS, "DERRICK, YOU NEED TO SEE THIS HOUSE 103 00:05:34,834 --> 00:05:36,936 SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT HERE." >> Reporter: HE DROVE TO PAM'S 104 00:05:36,936 --> 00:05:38,772 HOME THAT WAS EQUIPPED WITH SECURITY CAMERAS AND AN ALARM 105 00:05:38,772 --> 00:05:41,641 SYSTEM IT WAS AN OUT OF POSITION 106 00:05:41,641 --> 00:05:45,078 WINDOW-BLIND THAT CAUGHT HIS MOM'S ATTENTION. 107 00:05:45,078 --> 00:05:48,281 IT WAS THE KIND THAT COULD BE RAISED FROM THE BOTTOM OR 108 00:05:48,281 --> 00:05:51,251 LOWERED FROM THE TOP >> AND SHE SAID, "THIS -- BLIND 109 00:05:51,251 --> 00:05:54,354 IS LIFTED UP FROM THE BOTTOM?" SHE SAID, "PAM NEVER LIFTS IT UP 110 00:05:54,354 --> 00:05:58,558 FROM THE BOTTOM. >> Reporter: PAM USUALLY LOWERED 111 00:05:58,558 --> 00:06:00,126 THE BLIND FROM THE TOP, SO PEOPLE ON THE STREET COULDN'T 112 00:06:00,126 --> 00:06:02,095 LOOK INTO HER HOME BECAUSE YOUR SISTER WAS VERY 113 00:06:02,095 --> 00:06:04,130 SECURITY-CONSCIOUS, WASN'T SHE >> CORRECT 114 00:06:04,130 --> 00:06:06,833 IT DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT >> Reporter: THEY CHECKED PAM'S 115 00:06:06,833 --> 00:06:13,773 PHONE ANSWERING MACHINE. IT TURNED OUT JOSE HAD BEEN 116 00:06:13,773 --> 00:06:14,741 CALLING PAM, TOO "HEY PAM, WHERE ARE YOU AT?", 117 00:06:14,741 --> 00:06:18,078 HIS MESSAGE WENT AND ON THE DESK IN PAM'S OFFICE, 118 00:06:18,078 --> 00:06:22,315 HE'D LEFT A NOTE FOR HER >> "PAM, WHERE ARE YOU 119 00:06:22,315 --> 00:06:25,151 I'VE BEEN HERE LOOKING FOR YOU." >> Reporter: BUT PAM WAS GONE. 120 00:06:25,151 --> 00:06:28,388 >> WE CALLED THE POLICE. >> Reporter: AND DERRICK SAYS HE 121 00:06:28,388 --> 00:06:31,524 CALLED JOSE. >> I SAID, "JOSE, THIS IS 122 00:06:31,524 --> 00:06:32,826 DERRICK. HAVE YOU HEARD FROM PAM? 123 00:06:32,826 --> 00:06:33,960 AND HE SAYS, "I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM PAM." 124 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,663 HE SAID, "ME AND PAM BROKE UP. >> Reporter: BROKE UP? 125 00:06:36,663 --> 00:06:39,632 >> YEAH. >> Reporter: DERRICK SAYS HE 126 00:06:39,632 --> 00:06:42,268 WANTED TO KNOW MORE, SO HE BEGAN HIS OWN PERSONAL INVESTIGATION 127 00:06:42,268 --> 00:06:46,139 >> I SAID, "GIVE ME YOUR ADDRESS, I'M COMING TO YOUR 128 00:06:46,139 --> 00:06:48,842 HOUSE. I NEED TO TALK TO YOU. 129 00:06:48,842 --> 00:06:50,877 >> Reporter: AND HE SAID >> HE SAID, "OKAY. 130 00:06:50,877 --> 00:06:53,079 >> Reporter: HE SAYS THEY MET IN THE LOBBY OF JOSE'S APARTMENT 131 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:57,117 BUILDING IN NEARBY VIRGINIA. >> I SAID, "PAM'S MISSING. 132 00:06:57,117 --> 00:06:59,419 CAN WE GO UP TO YOUR APARTMENT?" HE SAID, "YEAH." 133 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:01,154 I MEAN, VERY CORDIAL, NICE CONVERSATION 134 00:07:01,154 --> 00:07:02,522 >> Reporter: JOSE, HE SAYS, EXPRESSED CONCERN AND 135 00:07:02,522 --> 00:07:04,024 COMPASSION >> HE WAS TELLIN' ME HOW MUCH HE 136 00:07:04,024 --> 00:07:05,258 CARED ABOUT PAM, HOW MUCH HE LOVED HER. 137 00:07:05,258 --> 00:07:08,495 HE SAID, "WE BROKE UP ON FRIDAY AND I HAVEN'T SEEN OR HEARD FROM 138 00:07:08,495 --> 00:07:14,034 HER SINCE. YOU KNOW, I WISH I COULD HELP 139 00:07:14,034 --> 00:07:15,168 YOU, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW." >> Reporter: THE REASON FOR THE 140 00:07:15,168 --> 00:07:16,036 BREAKUP, ACCORDING TO JOSE, WAS JEALOUSY 141 00:07:16,036 --> 00:07:17,637 >> HE SAID, "YOU KNOW HOW PAM IS." 142 00:07:17,637 --> 00:07:19,739 AND HE SAID, "I WAS STAYING IN TOUCH WITH ONE OF MY 143 00:07:19,739 --> 00:07:26,112 EX-GIRLFRIEND'S DAUGHTER SHE WAS YOUNG. 144 00:07:26,112 --> 00:07:29,249 AND SHE JUST KINDA LOOKED AT ME LIKE A FATHER. 145 00:07:29,249 --> 00:07:30,417 AND HE SAID I WAS STAYING IN TOUCH WITH HER AND PAM DIDN'T 146 00:07:30,417 --> 00:07:31,217 LIKE IT. >> Reporter: BECAUSE HE WAS 147 00:07:31,217 --> 00:07:32,185 CLOSE TO THIS GIRL FROM A PREVIOUS GIRLFRIEND? 148 00:07:32,185 --> 00:07:33,153 >> RIGHT UH-HUH 149 00:07:33,153 --> 00:07:36,056 SO HE SAID, YOU KNOW, "SO WE DECIDED TO BREAK UP. 150 00:07:36,056 --> 00:07:38,058 AND HE SAID, "I THOUGHT WE WOULD STILL BE FRIENDS." 151 00:07:38,058 --> 00:07:40,860 AND WE SAT THERE AND WE TALKED FOR WELL OVER TWO HOURS. 152 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:42,395 SO I SAID, "I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT 153 00:07:42,395 --> 00:07:46,599 HAPPENED HOW SHE COULD JUST GET UP AND 154 00:07:46,599 --> 00:07:51,971 JUST WALK AWAY." HE SAID, "I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT 155 00:07:51,971 --> 00:07:57,277 EITHER." >> Reporter: THEN DERRICK SAYS 156 00:07:57,277 --> 00:07:58,611 HE MADE AN AGGRESSIVE DEMAND >> I SAID, "JOSE." 157 00:07:58,611 --> 00:07:59,813 I SAID, "I NEED YOU TO TAKE YOUR CLOTHES OFF. 158 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:00,914 I SAID, "I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T SEE ANY 159 00:08:00,914 --> 00:08:02,115 SCRATCHES OR ANYTHING ON YOU." >> Reporter: THAT'S KIND OF A 160 00:08:02,115 --> 00:08:03,883 POLICE QUESTION, HUH >> WELL, HE SAYS, "OKAY. 161 00:08:03,883 --> 00:08:10,156 >> Reporter: HE'S GOOD WITH IT >> YEAH. 162 00:08:10,156 --> 00:08:12,292 SO HE DID. HE TOOK HIS SHIRT OFF, TOOK HIS 163 00:08:12,292 --> 00:08:13,426 PANTS OFF AND I LOOKED AT HIM AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING. 164 00:08:13,426 --> 00:08:14,661 >> Reporter: THERE WERE NO FRESH SCRATCHES ON JOSE'S SKIN, BUT 165 00:08:14,661 --> 00:08:15,528 DERRICK SAYS HE WASN'T DONE PLAYING COP. 166 00:08:15,528 --> 00:08:16,930 >> I STOOD UP AND I JUST STARTED WALKING AROUND HIS APARTMENT, 167 00:08:16,930 --> 00:08:19,532 LOOKING. MY SISTER'S MISSING. 168 00:08:19,532 --> 00:08:22,202 "IS SHE IN HERE," YOU KNOW, "IN THE CLOSET SOMEWHERE?" 169 00:08:22,202 --> 00:08:24,637 AND I OPENED UP HIS DRAWERS AND I'M LOOKING IN THERE 170 00:08:24,637 --> 00:08:28,675 >> Reporter: AND HE DIDN'T OBJECT TO THAT, LIKE -- 171 00:08:28,675 --> 00:08:32,479 >> NO. I WAS TRYING TO GET A REACTION 172 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:35,181 OUT OF HIM AND COULDN'T GET IT >> Reporter: SO WHEN YOU LEFT 173 00:08:35,181 --> 00:08:38,718 JOSE'S PLACE THAT DAY, WHAT DID YOU THINK OF HIM AND WHERE 174 00:08:38,718 --> 00:08:41,454 THINGS STOOD >> THOUGHT HE WAS A PRETTY NICE 175 00:08:41,454 --> 00:08:42,222 GUY. >> Reporter: DERRICK REASSURED 176 00:08:42,222 --> 00:08:43,056 HIS FAMILY >> I SAID, "JOSE'S FINE. 177 00:08:43,056 --> 00:08:43,823 HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO HER HE'S FINE. 178 00:08:43,823 --> 00:08:45,058 >> Reporter: WHEN DERRICK GOT BACK TO PAM'S HOME, POLICE WERE 179 00:08:45,058 --> 00:08:48,328 ALREADY ON THE SCENE LOOKING FOR LEADS INTO WHAT HAD BECOME OF 180 00:08:48,328 --> 00:08:53,466 PAM BUTLER IN WHAT WOULD BE A GRUELING INVESTIGATION 181 00:08:53,466 --> 00:08:58,505 >>> WHERE WAS PAM? HER FAMILY WAS WORRIED 182 00:08:58,505 --> 00:09:00,173 DERRICK SAYS, AT FIRST, POLICE WERE NOT 183 00:09:00,173 --> 00:09:02,042 WHEN WE RETURN -- >> THEY'RE TELLING US, STILL 184 00:09:02,042 --> 00:09:07,180 DOESN'T LOOK LIKE TO US THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SHE'S IN ANY 185 00:09:07,180 --> 00:09:09,282 DANGER BUT PAM BUTLER WAS A NEAT-FREAK. 186 00:09:09,282 --> 00:09:12,052 SO WHY WAS HER HOUSE A MESS? >> EVERYTHING WAS JUST TOTALLY 187 00:09:12,052 --> 00:09:15,021 OUT OF CHARACTER FOR PAM THE PAPERS ON THE FLOOR LED ME 188 00:09:15,021 --> 00:09:35,342 TO BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING MADE HER STOP DOING WHAT SHE WAS 189 00:09:35,342 --> 00:09:37,477 >> REPORTER: PAM BUTLER'S VALENTINE'S DAY NO-SHOW IN 190 00:09:37,477 --> 00:09:41,047 2009 WAS COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER. 191 00:09:41,047 --> 00:09:43,717 AND IN THE DAYS AFTER HER FAMILY REPORTED HER MISSING, WASHINGTON 192 00:09:43,717 --> 00:09:49,789 DC'S METROPOLITAN POLICE LOOKED FOR CLUES INSIDE PAM'S HOME. 193 00:09:49,789 --> 00:09:52,492 >> THEY SCOURED THE HOUSE FOR PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. 194 00:09:52,492 --> 00:09:53,693 >> Reporter: PETER NEWSHAM, DC'S FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE, WAS 195 00:09:53,693 --> 00:09:57,097 RUNNING INVESTIGATIONS WHEN DETECTIVES BEGAN PROBING PAM 196 00:09:57,097 --> 00:10:04,437 BUTLER'S DISAPPEARANCE HIS INVESTIGATORS FOUND NO SIGN 197 00:10:04,437 --> 00:10:05,839 OF FORCED ENTRY, NO SIGN THAT PAM HAD BEEN IN A STRUGGLE AND 198 00:10:05,839 --> 00:10:08,341 NO SIGN AT ALL OF WHAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED TO HER 199 00:10:08,341 --> 00:10:11,711 >> IF WE HAD INFORMATION TO SUGGEST THAT -- THAT PAM WAS IN 200 00:10:11,711 --> 00:10:17,951 A PARTICULAR LOCATION -- WE COULD GO AND SEARCH THAT AREA -- 201 00:10:17,951 --> 00:10:19,853 AND MAYBE FIND SOMETHING. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THIS CASE. 202 00:10:19,853 --> 00:10:22,822 >> Reporter: SO A MISSING PERSONS FILE WAS OPENED EVEN AS 203 00:10:22,822 --> 00:10:24,991 POLICE TRIED TO REASSURE PAM'S BROTHER DERRICK, A FORMER 204 00:10:24,991 --> 00:10:25,959 HIGHSCHOOL AUTO MECHANICS TEACHER. 205 00:10:25,959 --> 00:10:29,863 >> SO PAM IS NOW AN OFFICIAL MISSING PERSON, HUH? 206 00:10:29,863 --> 00:10:37,237 >> CORRECT THEY'RE TELLIN' US, YOU KNOW, 207 00:10:37,237 --> 00:10:38,371 "WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED." STILL DOESN'T LOOK 208 00:10:38,371 --> 00:10:39,539 LIKE TO US THAT-- YOU KNOW, THAT SHE'S IN ANY DANGER. 209 00:10:39,539 --> 00:10:40,707 >> Reporter: AND DC'S POLICE WANTED TO FIND OUT FROM FAMILY 210 00:10:40,707 --> 00:10:43,677 AND FRIENDS MORE BIOGRAPHICAL DETAIL ABOUT WHO PAM WAS 211 00:10:43,677 --> 00:10:46,513 >> A PERSON WHO WILL MAKE YOU LAUGH. 212 00:10:46,513 --> 00:10:51,685 A PERSON WHO WILL HAVE YOUR BACK IF SHE'S YOUR FRIEND 213 00:10:51,685 --> 00:10:56,022 JUST A JOYFUL, EASY, UH, VIBRANT PERSON 214 00:10:56,022 --> 00:10:58,024 >> Reporter: RITA MOSS HAD MET PAM IN WASHINGTON, D.C., AT A 215 00:10:58,024 --> 00:11:06,166 CONFERENCE FOR RISING STARS IN GOVERNMENT LEADERSHIP. 216 00:11:06,166 --> 00:11:08,101 >> I WAS THE PERSON THAT SAID "I'LL BE AT THE BAR AFTERWARDS." 217 00:11:08,101 --> 00:11:09,202 AND PAM SHOWED UP AT THE BAR AND WE IMMEDIATELY CLICKED 218 00:11:09,202 --> 00:11:14,708 >> WHY DID YOU GUYS HIT IT OFF SO QUICKLY 219 00:11:14,708 --> 00:11:15,842 >> WE HAD A LOT IN COMMON JUST EVEN ON APPEARANCE AND WE 220 00:11:15,842 --> 00:11:17,877 PROBABLY TALKED ON THE PHONE EVERY OTHER DAY OR SO. SO YES, 221 00:11:17,877 --> 00:11:19,579 SHE WAS MY CLOSEST FRIEND. >> PEOPLE THINK OF WASHINGTON. 222 00:11:19,579 --> 00:11:21,348 MAYBE THEY KNOW THE MALL, AND THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT, AND THE 223 00:11:21,348 --> 00:11:24,718 NICE HOUSES IN GEORGETOWN. >> THAT'S WHERE PAM ENDED UP, 224 00:11:24,718 --> 00:11:27,687 BUT NOT WHERE WE CAME FROM >> Reporter: DERRICK REMEMBERS 225 00:11:27,687 --> 00:11:31,758 GROWING UP WITH HIS SISTER IN A SMALL HOUSE IN A ROUGH AND 226 00:11:31,758 --> 00:11:32,692 TUMBLE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOT AN EASY LIFE 227 00:11:32,692 --> 00:11:33,927 >> SHE WAS THE ONE THAT REALLY HELD OUR FAMILY TOGETHER 228 00:11:33,927 --> 00:11:35,161 >> HOW DID YOU TWO GET ALONG, YOU AND YOUR SISTER, PAM 229 00:11:35,161 --> 00:11:37,797 >> YOU KNOW, WE WERE BROTHERS AND SISTERS. 230 00:11:37,797 --> 00:11:39,733 YOU KNOW, WE HAD OUR SPATS LIKE ANY OTHER BROTHER AND SISTER 231 00:11:39,733 --> 00:11:44,471 >> SHE WAS VERY ORDERLY, RIGHT >> SHE WOULD DRIVE ME CRAZY WITH 232 00:11:44,471 --> 00:11:47,741 THAT OUR HOUSE WAS EXTREMELY NEAT ALL 233 00:11:47,741 --> 00:11:51,544 THE TIME >> Reporter: FROM AN EARLY AGE 234 00:11:51,544 --> 00:11:53,546 PAM WAS DRIVEN A SUMMER JOB AT THE COMMERCE 235 00:11:53,546 --> 00:11:55,715 DEPARTMENT LED TO PAM HOP-SCOTCHING THROUGH GOVERNMENT 236 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:59,352 AGENCIES >> PAM WAS JUST ALWAYS A 237 00:11:59,352 --> 00:12:01,955 GO-GETTER. BEFORE I STARTED WORKING FOR THE 238 00:12:01,955 --> 00:12:07,660 SCHOOL SYSTEM, SHE TRIED TO GET ME TO WORK FOR THE F.B.I 239 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:08,862 >> SO THAT'S A VERY PAM THING. >> YEAH, SHE ALWAYS WANTED TO 240 00:12:08,862 --> 00:12:10,063 SEE US JUST DO BETTER, Y'KNOW. >> Reporter: PAM'S MOM THELMA 241 00:12:10,063 --> 00:12:12,499 SAYS HER DAUGHTER WAS HAPPY TO SHARE HER HARD-EARNED SUCCESS. 242 00:12:12,499 --> 00:12:14,668 >> SHE WOULD PAY MY WAY TO GO TO THE CASINO 243 00:12:14,668 --> 00:12:16,302 >> AND YOU'D HAVE MOM AND DAUGHTER DAY AT THE CASINO, HUH? 244 00:12:16,302 --> 00:12:17,537 >> SHE DIDN'T LIKE GAMBLIN' BUT SHE NEVER DENIED ME. 245 00:12:17,537 --> 00:12:19,539 >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN IDEAL DAUGHTER 246 00:12:19,539 --> 00:12:22,776 >> YES VERY MUCH. 247 00:12:22,776 --> 00:12:24,310 >> Reporter: IN HER MID-FORTIES, PAM WAS SUPERVISING COMPUTER 248 00:12:24,310 --> 00:12:29,282 ANALYSTS AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY. 249 00:12:29,282 --> 00:12:32,819 HOW WELL SHE'D DONE WAS REFLECTED IN HER LIFESTYLE - 250 00:12:32,819 --> 00:12:34,988 THE OWNER OF A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE IN A GOOD DOWNTOWN 251 00:12:34,988 --> 00:12:37,824 NEIGHBORHOOD, THE ONE SHE'D EQUIPPED WITH SECURITY CAMERAS - 252 00:12:37,824 --> 00:12:44,097 AND A MERCEDES AND A JAGUAR IN THE DRIVEWAY 253 00:12:44,097 --> 00:12:45,498 >> SHE HAD A LOTTA NICE THINGS BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE. 254 00:12:45,498 --> 00:12:49,869 >> YES >> Reporter: BUT WORK WASN'T 255 00:12:49,869 --> 00:12:51,638 PAM'S ENTIRE LIFE. FOR A FEW YEARS, SHE TOOK IN HER 256 00:12:51,638 --> 00:12:52,872 NEPHEW BRANDON-- RAISING HIM AS HER OWN SON WITH HIS BUNDLE OF 257 00:12:52,872 --> 00:12:54,207 TYPICAL LATE-TEENAGE ISSUES. STILL THAT NICE HOUSE FELT 258 00:12:54,207 --> 00:12:57,711 EMPTY. A GOOD MAN, SHE TOLD HER FRIEND, 259 00:12:57,711 --> 00:13:00,447 WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO FILLING THE VOID 260 00:13:00,447 --> 00:13:01,681 >> SHE REALLY WAS NOT LOOKING TO CASUALLY DATE. 261 00:13:01,681 --> 00:13:09,255 SHE WAS LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO SPEND HER LIFE WITH. 262 00:13:09,255 --> 00:13:10,724 >> Reporter: THAT'S WHEN IN SEPTEMBER 2008, PETITE, AND FIT 263 00:13:10,724 --> 00:13:14,060 FROM JOGGING 47-YEAR-OLD PAM STARTED DATING JOSE RODRIGUEZ 264 00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:15,895 CRUZ -- A GOOD-LOOKING FORMER MILITARY POLICE OFFICER IN 265 00:13:15,895 --> 00:13:18,732 VIRGINIA WHO WORKED AT A MEDICAL CLINIC 266 00:13:18,732 --> 00:13:23,903 THEY MET ON A DATING WEBSITE >> SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE MET 267 00:13:23,903 --> 00:13:26,439 JOSE ON THE METRO. >> E-HARMONY 268 00:13:26,439 --> 00:13:28,875 >> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TOLD BUT SHE TOLD ME SHE MET HIM ON 269 00:13:28,875 --> 00:13:30,076 THE METRO, WHICH I IMMEDIATELY KNEW WAS NOT THE TRUTH AND, I 270 00:13:30,076 --> 00:13:31,878 TOLD HER I KNEW IT WASN'T THE TRUTH BECAUSE PAM WOULD DRIVE 271 00:13:31,878 --> 00:13:35,382 EVERYWHERE >> Reporter: WITHIN A FEW DAYS, 272 00:13:35,382 --> 00:13:38,752 JOSE WAS SHOWING PAM AROUND TOWN, A FULL-ON COURTSHIP. 273 00:13:38,752 --> 00:13:44,457 >> HE BOUGHT HER FLOWERS REGULARLY AND BOUGHT HER A RING 274 00:13:44,457 --> 00:13:46,226 FOR HER BIRTHDAY. >> Reporter: AS HAPPY AS RITA 275 00:13:46,226 --> 00:13:47,427 WAS FOR HER BEST FRIEND, PAM'S NEW RELATIONSHIP WAS A GAL-PAL 276 00:13:47,427 --> 00:13:49,195 BUZZKILL >> PAM IMMEDIATELY STARTED 277 00:13:49,195 --> 00:13:50,830 CANCELING PLANS WITH ME. SO I KNEW THAT THIS WAS PRETTY 278 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:52,999 SERIOUS. >> SO HAPPY HOUR WAS OFF NOW 279 00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:56,236 CUZ -- >> HAPPY HOUR WAS OFF. 280 00:13:56,236 --> 00:13:58,304 >> Reporter: AT THANKSGIVING, PAM DECIDED THE NEXT STEP HAD 281 00:13:58,304 --> 00:14:02,742 ARRIVED AND IT WAS TIME FOR JOSE TO MEET THE FAMILY 282 00:14:02,742 --> 00:14:06,646 >> HE SEEMED LIKE A EXTREMELY NICE GUY 283 00:14:06,646 --> 00:14:08,682 I MEAN, VERY ATTENTIVE TO PAM, ATTENTIVE TO US. 284 00:14:08,682 --> 00:14:15,055 HE WAS A PLEASURE TO MEET HE REALLY WAS 285 00:14:15,055 --> 00:14:19,526 >> HE WAS JUST A GENTLEMAN >> SHE SEEMED HAPPY. 286 00:14:19,526 --> 00:14:21,795 >> SHE DID, SHE DID, SHE SEEMED VERY HAPPY 287 00:14:21,795 --> 00:14:23,063 >> WHAT DID YOU THINK JOSE MEANT TO HER 288 00:14:23,063 --> 00:14:24,297 >> THE FACT THAT SHE WAS SEEING HIM REGULARLY, I KNEW SHE WAS 289 00:14:24,297 --> 00:14:26,599 INTENDING FOR THIS TO BE A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP 290 00:14:26,599 --> 00:14:33,239 >> Reporter: AND THAT MADE PAM'S DISAPPEARANCE ALL THE MORE SAD 291 00:14:33,239 --> 00:14:35,675 >> WHEN I GOT THE CASE AND ONCE I LOOKED AT ALL THE THINGS THAT 292 00:14:35,675 --> 00:14:37,077 WERE DONE. I WANTED TO START OVER 293 00:14:37,077 --> 00:14:39,245 >> Reporter: FORMER HOMICIDE DETECTIVE MITCH CREDLE WHO 294 00:14:39,245 --> 00:14:40,814 WORKED ON DC'S SEXUAL ASSAULT UNIT -- ENDED UP BEING ASSIGNED 295 00:14:40,814 --> 00:14:42,449 TO THE MISSING PERSONS CASE AFTER OTHER DETECTIVES HAD 296 00:14:42,449 --> 00:14:44,484 WORKED IT. >> WHAT DID YOU THINK YOU COULD 297 00:14:44,484 --> 00:14:45,585 BRING TO THE PLATE THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW YET? 298 00:14:45,585 --> 00:14:47,454 >> A DIFFERENT SET OF EYES I MEAN, EXPERIENCE 299 00:14:47,454 --> 00:14:50,724 AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS COMMUNITY. 300 00:14:50,724 --> 00:14:53,093 I HAVE TWO INFORMERS THAT LIVE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. 301 00:14:53,093 --> 00:14:54,527 >> YOU THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SCRATCH AND GET SOMETHING 302 00:14:54,527 --> 00:15:01,134 >> YES, I WAS HOPING I COULD GET SOMETHING. 303 00:15:01,134 --> 00:15:02,569 BUT AS YOU SEE, EVEN RIGHT NOW, THIS HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALL 304 00:15:02,569 --> 00:15:13,213 THE TIME IT'S QUIET 305 00:15:13,213 --> 00:15:14,681 >> Reporter: DETECTIVE CREDLE ANALYZED THE EVIDENCE IN THE 306 00:15:14,681 --> 00:15:15,715 GROWING CASE FILE -- THE UNCHARACTERISTIC MESSINESS 307 00:15:15,715 --> 00:15:16,750 IN PAM BUTLER'S HOME >> THAT'S NOT THE WAY SHE RUNS 308 00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:17,450 HER HOUSEHOLD, RIGHT >> EXACTLY 309 00:15:17,450 --> 00:15:18,518 EVERYTHING WAS JUST TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR PAM 310 00:15:18,518 --> 00:15:20,120 THE PAPERS ON THE FLOOR LED ME TO BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING MADE 311 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,055 HER STOP DOING WHAT SHE WAS DOING WITH THOSE PAPERS BECAUSE 312 00:15:22,055 --> 00:15:26,092 SHE'S JUST NOT GOING TO LEAVE THEM LYING ON THE FLOOR. 313 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:33,800 >> Reporter: AND NEXT TO ALL THOSE FILES STREWN ABOUT, WAS 314 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:34,968 SOMETHING ELSE THAT HAD CAUGHT INVESTIGATORS' EYES. 315 00:15:34,968 --> 00:15:35,835 >> LATEX GLOVE ON THE FLOOR I GUESS, HUH 316 00:15:35,835 --> 00:15:36,903 >> THERE WAS A LATEX GLOVE THERE. 317 00:15:36,903 --> 00:15:38,738 >> Reporter: HAD THE LATEX GLOVE BEEN DROPPED BY SOMEONE NOT IN 318 00:15:38,738 --> 00:15:40,974 PAM'S CIRCLE HER ABDUCTOR, POSSIBLY HER 319 00:15:40,974 --> 00:15:42,475 KILLER >> AND THIS IS THE UNKNOWN 320 00:15:42,475 --> 00:15:46,946 INTRUDER >> EXACTLY 321 00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:49,382 >> Reporter: BUT WHO THE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS AROUND 322 00:15:49,382 --> 00:15:53,987 PAM BUTLER'S HOME WOULD GIVE IMPORTANT CLUES. 323 00:15:53,987 --> 00:15:57,791 THEY WERE ACTIVATED BY MOTION SENSORS AND HAD RECORDED COMINGS 324 00:15:57,791 --> 00:16:01,728 AND GOINGS IN THE DAYS BEFORE - AND AFTER - PAM WENT MISSING 325 00:16:01,728 --> 00:16:08,501 IMAGES THAT TOLD SOME, BUT NOT ALL, OF THE STORY. 326 00:16:08,501 --> 00:16:10,036 >> COMING UP - >> IT'S PRESUMED, WHEN WE SEE 327 00:16:10,036 --> 00:16:11,771 THIS HAND COME OUT OF THE DOOR TO PICK UP MAIL THAT THAT IS 328 00:16:11,771 --> 00:16:15,709 PAM. >> A CAMERA NEVER BLINKS 329 00:16:15,709 --> 00:16:17,877 SO WHY DID IT NEVER SEE PAM LEAVE HER HOUSE? 330 00:16:17,877 --> 00:16:20,714 >> SHE ALWAYS HAD THOSE CAMERAS ON 331 00:16:20,714 --> 00:16:24,517 >> AND, A POSSIBLE BREAK >> PAM'S CELL PHONE PINGED 332 00:16:24,517 --> 00:16:43,470 SO IS PAM ALIVE OR IS THIS THE DAY WE FIND HER BODY 333 00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:46,840 >> Reporter: PAM BUTLER HAD VANISHED WITHOUT A TRACE, AND 334 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:55,949 HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS WERE CONFOUNDED, SUSPENDED BETWEEN 335 00:16:55,949 --> 00:16:58,752 HOPE AND GRIEF >> IT WAS A VERY BIG VOID WHEN 336 00:16:58,752 --> 00:17:00,420 PAM WENT MISSING >> Reporter: WERE YOU WAITING 337 00:17:00,420 --> 00:17:01,554 FOR THE PHONE TO RING AND THERE'D BE HER ON THE LINE OR 338 00:17:01,554 --> 00:17:02,389 WHAT >> EXACTLY 339 00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:03,390 HOPING THAT IT'D BE THE CALL TO SAY, "I'M OKAY." 340 00:17:03,390 --> 00:17:05,425 >> Reporter: THE PHONE NEVER RANG 341 00:17:05,425 --> 00:17:06,626 >> NO. IT KEPT ME IN TEARS. 342 00:17:06,626 --> 00:17:08,028 >> Reporter: BY NOW REPORTERS WERE GETTING TIPS FROM POLICE 343 00:17:08,028 --> 00:17:13,667 ABOUT THE MYSTERY OF PAM BUTLER'S DISAPPEARANCE 344 00:17:13,667 --> 00:17:15,068 >> I HAD A NUMBER OF SOURCES THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT, AND A 345 00:17:15,068 --> 00:17:19,272 SOURCE SAID "THIS IS A CASE YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT." 346 00:17:19,272 --> 00:17:21,307 >> 47-YEAR OLD PAMELA BUTLER OF NORTH WEST - 347 00:17:21,307 --> 00:17:23,076 >> Reporter: JENNIFER DONELAN, THEN A LOCAL TV CRIME REPORTER, 348 00:17:23,076 --> 00:17:25,912 BROKE THE STORY. >> THERE WERE QUESTIONS, REALLY 349 00:17:25,912 --> 00:17:31,818 STRANGE THINGS ABOUT HER DISAPPEARANCE. 350 00:17:31,818 --> 00:17:32,786 YES, SHE WAN AN ADULT, MAYBE SHE CHOSE TO LEAVE 351 00:17:32,786 --> 00:17:34,120 >> Reporter: BUT SHE DIDN'T, LIKE, SEEM TO BE THE KIND OF 352 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:35,321 PERSON WHO WOULD TAKE UP AND GO TO LAS VEGAS AND START A NEW 353 00:17:35,321 --> 00:17:36,556 LIFE >> OR TO MISS DINNER WITH HER 354 00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:38,391 MOTHER ON VALENTINE'S DAY. >> Reporter: PAM'S FAMILY HAD 355 00:17:38,391 --> 00:17:41,928 GIVEN DETECTIVES A HEADS UP TO WHAT THEY BELIEVED WAS IMPORTANT 356 00:17:41,928 --> 00:17:45,699 EVIDENCE: THE CAMERAS PAM HAD INSTALLED, COVERING NEARLY THE 357 00:17:45,699 --> 00:17:52,472 ENTIRE EXTERIOR OF HER HOME. >> WHAT I HAD WAS A GREAT DEAL 358 00:17:52,472 --> 00:17:55,875 OF VIDEO FOOTAGE >> Reporter: WHEN DETECTIVE 359 00:17:55,875 --> 00:17:58,445 MITCH CREDLE WAS EVENTUALLY ASSIGNED TO THE CASE, HE 360 00:17:58,445 --> 00:18:01,014 ANALYSED IMAGES FROM THE CAMERAS THAT OTHER DETECTIVES HAD 361 00:18:01,014 --> 00:18:02,782 SCREENED YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MISSING 362 00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:04,384 WOMAN'S SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM. >> EXACTLY 363 00:18:04,384 --> 00:18:05,819 >> Reporter: PRETTY SOPHISTICATED. 364 00:18:05,819 --> 00:18:06,786 >> IT WAS NOT ONLY THAT. IT WAS AN ALARM SYSTEM 365 00:18:06,786 --> 00:18:08,021 SO WE'RE TALKING SOMEONE IS ONLY COMING INTO THEIR HOUSE WHO 366 00:18:08,021 --> 00:18:09,055 SHE'S FAMILIAR WITH. >> Reporter: SO SHE'S VERY FUSSY 367 00:18:09,055 --> 00:18:10,757 ABOUT WHO GETS IN THE HOUSE. >> THAT'S IT 368 00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:14,160 SHE ALWAYS HAD THOSE CAMERAS ON. THAT WAS THE FUNNY THING 369 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:19,065 EVEN WHEN I CAME OVER I TEXTED HER TWO MINUTES BEFORE I ARRIVED 370 00:18:19,065 --> 00:18:20,700 "Y'KNOW, I'LL BE HERE IN TWO MINUTES. 371 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:23,336 AND EVEN WHEN I KNOCKED ON THE DOOR SHE WOULD LOOK AT THE 372 00:18:23,336 --> 00:18:24,771 CAMERA TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ME. I'M LIKE, "I JUST TEXTED YOU. 373 00:18:24,771 --> 00:18:27,607 WHY ARE YOU CHECKIN' THE CAMERA? JUST OPEN THE, OPEN THE DOOR." 374 00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:29,042 >> Reporter: IN THE DAYS BEFORE AND AFTER THE VALENTINE'S DAY 375 00:18:29,042 --> 00:18:33,046 WEEKEND PAM WENT MISSING, HER CAMERAS CAPTURED WHAT WAS GOING 376 00:18:33,046 --> 00:18:37,517 ON AROUND HER HOUSE. ON THURSDAY, SHE'S SEEN ARRIVING 377 00:18:37,517 --> 00:18:39,552 HOME, WALKING ACROSS HER PATIO, THEN SHOWING UP IN HER FRONT 378 00:18:39,552 --> 00:18:43,490 DOORWAY. >> SHE'S AT THE DOOR, AND SHE'S 379 00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:47,427 COLLECTING HER MAIL JUST LIKE A NORMAL DAY 380 00:18:47,427 --> 00:18:51,531 >> Reporter: THE NEXT DAY, FRIDAY, MUCH THE SAME. 381 00:18:51,531 --> 00:18:53,833 >> IT'S PRESUMED, WHEN WE SEE THIS HAND COME OUT OF THE DOOR 382 00:18:53,833 --> 00:18:55,068 TO PICK UP MAIL THAT THAT IS PAM. 383 00:18:55,068 --> 00:18:57,504 >> Reporter: LATER THE SAME DAY, THE DAY BEFORE VALENTINE'S DAY, 384 00:18:57,504 --> 00:19:03,343 JOSE SHOWED UP, CARRYING GIFTS HE'S THE BOYFRIEND ARRIVING. 385 00:19:03,343 --> 00:19:06,212 >> EXACTLY >> Reporter: GOT FLOWERS, 386 00:19:06,212 --> 00:19:08,481 PRESENT? >> THAT WAS ON FRIDAY. 387 00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:09,616 >> Reporter: AND JOSE IS SEEN LEAVING THE FOLLOWING DAY. 388 00:19:09,616 --> 00:19:11,518 BUT THE CAMERAS NEVER SHOWED PAM LEAVING HER HOUSE. 389 00:19:11,518 --> 00:19:16,823 AND THAT BECAME THE CENTRAL MYSTERY OF THE CASE. 390 00:19:16,823 --> 00:19:18,725 IN THE WORST POSSIBLE THEORY, IF PAM HAD BEEN KILLED INSIDE HER 391 00:19:18,725 --> 00:19:20,360 HOUSE, HOW WAS HER BODY TAKEN OUT UNDETECTED 392 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:23,363 >> WHAT HAPPENED INSIDE THAT HOUSE? 393 00:19:23,363 --> 00:19:27,067 IT IS SUCH AN EXTREME MYSTERY. WE JUST HAVE NO IDEA WHAT 394 00:19:27,067 --> 00:19:30,537 HAPPENED TO PAM. >> Reporter: THE VIDEO SHOWED 395 00:19:30,537 --> 00:19:33,273 JOSE GOING IN AND OUT OF PAM'S HOME AFTER FRIDAY NIGHT, SO IT 396 00:19:33,273 --> 00:19:36,409 WAS AN EASY CALL FOR DETECTIVES TO PULL HIM IN FOR SOME "WHAT'S 397 00:19:36,409 --> 00:19:39,412 UP" QUESTIONS. BUT NOT MUCH MORE. 398 00:19:39,412 --> 00:19:41,481 >> SO WITH MISSING PERSONS, THEY ARE INCIDENTS, NOT OFFENSES. 399 00:19:41,481 --> 00:19:42,816 >> Reporter: AND NO REAL PERSUASIVE EVIDENCE IT WAS EVEN 400 00:19:42,816 --> 00:19:45,919 A CRIME. >> RIGHT 401 00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:49,723 >> Reporter: WHAT'S MORE, JOSE HAD AN EXPLANATION FOR WHAT HAD 402 00:19:49,723 --> 00:19:53,093 HAPPENED, THE SAME EXPLANATION HE'D GIVEN PAM'S BROTHER 403 00:19:53,093 --> 00:19:55,895 DERRICK: HE SAID HE AND PAM HAD BROKEN UP BEFORE SHE WENT 404 00:19:55,895 --> 00:19:59,232 MISSING. >> AND HE WAS UPSET, AND THAT HE 405 00:19:59,232 --> 00:20:01,968 HAD MADE EFFORTS TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HER AFTER SHE HAD GONE 406 00:20:01,968 --> 00:20:05,638 MISSING. IF HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH, THEN 407 00:20:05,638 --> 00:20:09,843 THAT'S A MAN WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS GIRLFRIEND. 408 00:20:09,843 --> 00:20:13,646 >> Reporter: THE REPORTER WANTED TO HEAR THE BOYFRIEND'S ACCOUNT 409 00:20:13,646 --> 00:20:15,548 FOR HERSELF SO JOSE INVITED JENNIFER INTO HIS HOME FOR AN 410 00:20:15,548 --> 00:20:19,786 EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW. >> WE'RE IN HIS LIVING ROOM. 411 00:20:19,786 --> 00:20:22,622 AND HE DIDN'T WANT US TO TELL HIS NAME ON TELEVISION, AND HE 412 00:20:22,622 --> 00:20:24,391 DIDN'T WANT US TO SHOW HIS FACE. >> Reporter: BUT HE DID WANT TO 413 00:20:24,391 --> 00:20:27,794 CLEARLY STATE HIS INNOCENCE. >> I DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO 414 00:20:27,794 --> 00:20:31,364 WITH HER DISAPPEARANCE AND I LOVED HER. 415 00:20:31,364 --> 00:20:34,467 OUR RELATIONSHIP ENDED IN A WAY THAT I DIDN'T EXPECT 416 00:20:34,467 --> 00:20:39,005 >> Reporter: JOSE TOLD THE REPORTER PAM'S SECURITY CAMERA 417 00:20:39,005 --> 00:20:40,707 VIDEO TOLD THE STORY. PROOF THAT HE'D HAD NOTHING TO 418 00:20:40,707 --> 00:20:43,043 DO WITH PAM GOING MISSING. >> YOU KNOW AND LIKE I TOLD THE 419 00:20:43,043 --> 00:20:46,012 POLICE, YOU SEEN THE VIDEO, SHE DID NOT LEAVE WITH ME. 420 00:20:46,012 --> 00:20:48,782 >> HE WAS RIGHT. WE NEVER SEE PAM LEAVE WITH HIM 421 00:20:48,782 --> 00:20:50,717 ON VIDEO THAT IS FOR SURE 422 00:20:50,717 --> 00:20:52,118 >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE PAM IS AT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO 423 00:20:52,118 --> 00:20:53,887 HER. >> Reporter: AND JOSE GAVE THE 424 00:20:53,887 --> 00:20:57,023 REPORTER A VERY SIMPLE EXPLANATION FOR WHY HE WAS IN 425 00:20:57,023 --> 00:21:02,829 AND OUT OF PAM'S HOME AFTER SHE WENT MISSING: HE'D USED HIS KEY 426 00:21:02,829 --> 00:21:04,064 AND WAS SIMPLY REMOVING BAGS OF HIS OWN THINGS FROM HER HOME 427 00:21:04,064 --> 00:21:05,198 >> I WAS JUST TAKING MY STUFF OUTTA THE HOUSE. 428 00:21:05,198 --> 00:21:06,566 I WAS JUST GOING BACK AND GETTING MY STUFF." 429 00:21:06,566 --> 00:21:09,969 >> Reporter: JUST BREAK UP >> YEAH, THIS IS ALL BREAK UP 430 00:21:09,969 --> 00:21:12,405 STUFF. >> AND THE LAST THING I'VE SEEN 431 00:21:12,405 --> 00:21:14,074 WAS HIM COMING OUT THE DOOR WITH A BIG, BIG BAG, WHICH IS NOT BIG 432 00:21:14,074 --> 00:21:18,378 ENOUGH TO CARRY A BODY >> Reporter: IN THE DAYS AFTER 433 00:21:18,378 --> 00:21:21,114 PAM DISAPPEARED, CRIME-SCENE TECHS TURNING PAM'S HOUSE INSIDE 434 00:21:21,114 --> 00:21:22,882 OUT FOR EVIDENCE WERE BAFFLED. >> NO BLOOD. 435 00:21:22,882 --> 00:21:25,452 THEY WERE PULLIN' UP FLOORBOARDS. 436 00:21:25,452 --> 00:21:28,988 THERE WAS JUST NOTHING IN THE HOUSE THAT INDICATED THAT THERE 437 00:21:28,988 --> 00:21:31,558 WAS A CRIME THERE. >> Reporter: BEYOND JOSE THE 438 00:21:31,558 --> 00:21:33,727 BOYFRIEND THE INVESTIGATORS WONDERED IF THERE WAS ANYONE IN 439 00:21:33,727 --> 00:21:37,163 PAM'S LIFE WHO WOULD WANT TO MAKE HER DISAPPEAR 440 00:21:37,163 --> 00:21:39,165 THEY LOOKED AT THOSE CLOSEST TO HER INCLUDING HER NEPHEW 441 00:21:39,165 --> 00:21:42,435 BRANDON, THE TEEN SHE'D TAKEN IN 442 00:21:42,435 --> 00:21:46,740 >> THERE WERE SOME REPORTS FROM THE FAMILY THAT PAM MIGHT HAVE 443 00:21:46,740 --> 00:21:48,375 BEEN EXPERIENCING SOME FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES AT THE TIME BRANDON 444 00:21:48,375 --> 00:21:52,879 WAS LIVING THERE, AND THAT PERHAPS PAM DIDN'T FEEL LIKE 445 00:21:52,879 --> 00:21:56,016 BRANDON WAS STEPPING UP LIKE HE SHOULD IN TERMS OF HELPING OUT 446 00:21:56,016 --> 00:21:57,917 FINANCIALLY, AND THAT AT SOME POINT SHE HAD REPORTEDLY ASKED 447 00:21:57,917 --> 00:22:00,086 HIM TO LEAVE >> Reporter: THE SITUATION 448 00:22:00,086 --> 00:22:03,056 APPARENTLY GOT HEATED. >> THERE HAD BEEN AN ARGUMENT. 449 00:22:03,056 --> 00:22:05,392 HE DID HAVE ACCESS TO THE HOUSE. SO WAS IT HIM? 450 00:22:05,392 --> 00:22:07,060 >> Reporter: AS THE INVESTIGATION DEEPENED, THE 451 00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:09,763 DETECTIVES TOOK A CLOSE LOOK AT TECHNOLOGY. 452 00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:13,166 PAM'S CELL PHONE >> IN A LOT OF INVESTIGATIONS, A 453 00:22:13,166 --> 00:22:15,602 LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THE PHONE TOWERS BE PINGING AND 454 00:22:15,602 --> 00:22:17,370 TELLING YOU WHERE PEOPLE ARE >> Reporter: IF THEY'VE BEEN 455 00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:21,708 WATCHING "DATELINE" FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, THEY DO NOW. 456 00:22:21,708 --> 00:22:23,476 INVESTIGATORS SEARCHED IN VIRGINIA, AND IN A PARK IN 457 00:22:23,476 --> 00:22:25,145 MARYLAND >> WHY? 458 00:22:25,145 --> 00:22:28,982 BECAUSE PAM'S CELL PHONE PINGED THERE. 459 00:22:28,982 --> 00:22:31,951 PAM'S CELLPHONE PINGED. SO IS PAM ALIVE OR IS THIS THE 460 00:22:31,951 --> 00:22:33,987 DAY WE FIND HER BODY >> THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT 461 00:22:33,987 --> 00:22:37,123 STOPS, AND THAT'S THE THING ABOUT IT. 462 00:22:37,123 --> 00:22:39,159 ONCE IT STOPS, YOU HAVE NO CLUE, NO IDEA WHERE TO GO. 463 00:22:39,159 --> 00:22:40,927 IT STOPS. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS 464 00:22:40,927 --> 00:22:42,829 SITUATION. AND THEY SEARCHED, AND SEARCHED, 465 00:22:42,829 --> 00:22:55,375 AND SEARCHED, AND THEY NEVER FOUND PAM. 466 00:22:55,375 --> 00:22:56,609 >> Reporter: IN THE FOLLOWING WEEKS AND MONTHS, HOPES ROSE AND 467 00:22:56,609 --> 00:22:57,310 FELL >> THERE WERE A NUMBER OF 468 00:22:57,310 --> 00:22:58,445 SIGHTINGS AFTER ALL OF THE PUBLISHED MEDIA REPORTS SAYING 469 00:22:58,445 --> 00:22:59,446 THAT, "I SAW PAM BUTLER. TURNED OUT NOT TO BE HER 470 00:22:59,446 --> 00:23:00,613 >> Reporter: BUT FIVE MONTHS INTO THE INVESTIGATION A FRESH 471 00:23:00,613 --> 00:23:03,683 LEAD SUDDENLY OPENED AND WITH THAT LEAD CAME A NEW 472 00:23:03,683 --> 00:23:09,656 REASON TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT PAM BUTLER'S FAMILY. 473 00:23:09,656 --> 00:23:11,958 >>> COMING UP -- >> THEY ACTUALLY RAISED DERRICK 474 00:23:11,958 --> 00:23:14,294 AS A POSSIBLE SUSPECT TO ME LIKE, HOW? 475 00:23:14,294 --> 00:23:18,965 THIS IS HER BROTHER. >> DID A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN 476 00:23:18,965 --> 00:23:21,101 SIBLINGS END IN MURDER >> THEY WOULD SAY THINGS TO ME, 477 00:23:21,101 --> 00:23:40,687 LIKE, "YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT WE SEE THAT HAD ANYTHING TO GAIN 478 00:23:40,687 --> 00:23:44,457 >> Reporter: IN THE MONTHS AFTER PAMELA BUTLER'S DISAPPEARANCE, 479 00:23:44,457 --> 00:23:47,293 NEW LEADS DRIED UP AND THE POLICE INVESTIGATION SEEMED 480 00:23:47,293 --> 00:23:51,464 STUCK AT A HOPELESS DEAD END >> IT WAS STILL CONSIDERED A 481 00:23:51,464 --> 00:23:54,267 MISSING PERSONS. IT WASN'T EVEN RULED A HOMICIDE. 482 00:23:54,267 --> 00:23:55,301 >> Reporter: A FRUSTRATED DETECTIVE CREDLE SAYS HE 483 00:23:55,301 --> 00:23:57,470 COULDN'T DEVOTE THE TIME HE WANTED TO PAM BUTLER AND HER 484 00:23:57,470 --> 00:24:01,541 FAMILY FRESH CASES WERE PILING UP 485 00:24:01,541 --> 00:24:05,045 DEMANDING HIS ATTENTION. >> I'M INVESTIGATING 20, 486 00:24:05,045 --> 00:24:09,649 SOMETIMES 25 CASES A MONTH SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GIVE THIS 487 00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:13,586 FAMILY THE ATTENTION THE CASE NEEDS, AND THAT'S UNFAIR TO 488 00:24:13,586 --> 00:24:16,156 THEM >> Reporter: AND HE FELT 489 00:24:16,156 --> 00:24:17,791 SOMETHING ELSE, SOMETHING UGLY IT SEEMED TO HIM THE DEPARTMENT 490 00:24:17,791 --> 00:24:21,061 JUST DIDN'T CARE ENOUGH ABOUT THE VICTIM 491 00:24:21,061 --> 00:24:24,698 >> I FELT AS THOUGH THAT THIS CASE WASN'T GETTING THE 492 00:24:24,698 --> 00:24:27,867 ATTENTION THAT IT WAS IF SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN A WHITE VICTIM 493 00:24:27,867 --> 00:24:30,236 FROM AN AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, IN MY 494 00:24:30,236 --> 00:24:32,672 OPINION, TOTALLY DIFFERENT >> Reporter: THERE WOULD HAVE 495 00:24:32,672 --> 00:24:35,108 BEEN RESOURCES THROWN AT IT, PUT SOME HEAT ON IT. 496 00:24:35,108 --> 00:24:38,545 >> AND THREW THE WHOLE HOUSE AT THE CASE 497 00:24:38,545 --> 00:24:42,315 >> Reporter: BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN WITH PAM BUTLER 498 00:24:42,315 --> 00:24:45,952 >> NO, IT DID NOT. AND THAT USED TO BOTHER ME 499 00:24:45,952 --> 00:24:48,621 SOMETIMES AT NIGHT BECAUSE I KNEW, FOR A FACT, IF PAM BUTLER 500 00:24:48,621 --> 00:24:51,391 WAS WHITE -- MAN, THEY WOULD HAVE 501 00:24:51,391 --> 00:24:52,759 THEY WOULD'VE DID IT >> Reporter: PAM'S FAMILY FELT 502 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:53,660 THE SAME WAY THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A HUE AND 503 00:24:53,660 --> 00:24:54,728 CRY, YOU THINK, IF SHE'D BEEN A WHITE WOMAN MISSING? 504 00:24:54,728 --> 00:24:55,662 >> OH, FOR SURE. WHEN WE GO MISSING, YOU HEAR 505 00:24:55,662 --> 00:24:56,796 NOTHIN' ABOUT IT >> Reporter: D.C. POLICE TOLD US 506 00:24:56,796 --> 00:24:59,799 ITS OFFICERS TRY TO USE EVERY RESOURCE AVAILABLE TO 507 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:04,270 INVESTIGATE ALL CASES REGARDLESS OF A VICTIM'S RACE 508 00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:08,074 IN 2009, AS PAM'S BROTHER DERRICK LED SEARCH EFFORTS, HE 509 00:25:08,074 --> 00:25:12,045 STAYED IN THE COPS' FACES. >> SOMETIMES, WE WOULD JUST 510 00:25:12,045 --> 00:25:13,913 HAVE, I MEAN, REAL FIGHTS. >> Reporter: WERE YOU MAKING A 511 00:25:13,913 --> 00:25:16,049 NUISANCE OF YOURSELF DOWN AT THE POLICE STATION, DERRICK? 512 00:25:16,049 --> 00:25:17,650 >> I WAS TRYIN' TO, YES. >> Reporter: DID YOU NEED TO DO 513 00:25:17,650 --> 00:25:21,755 THAT THOUGH? >> I FELT LIKE I DID 514 00:25:21,755 --> 00:25:23,790 >> Reporter: AND DERRICK MADE APPEARANCES ON TV, A STRATEGY 515 00:25:23,790 --> 00:25:27,160 INTENDED TO KEEP PAM'S STORY IN THE PUBLIC EYE 516 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,896 >> THE GOAL WAS TO KEEP IT GOIN'. 517 00:25:29,896 --> 00:25:31,231 AND I FELT LIKE IF I KEPT IT GOIN', THE POLICE WOULD SAY, 518 00:25:31,231 --> 00:25:35,869 "YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO GET THIS OFF THE NEWS 519 00:25:35,869 --> 00:25:38,171 WE HAVE TO SOLVE THIS CASE." >> Reporter: BUT FIVE MONTHS 520 00:25:38,171 --> 00:25:41,141 AFTER PAM BUTLER WENT MISSING, THERE WAS A HEAD-SNAPPING 521 00:25:41,141 --> 00:25:44,544 DEVELOPMENT. TV REPORTER JENNIFER DONELAN WAS 522 00:25:44,544 --> 00:25:47,113 GETTING THE INSIDE SCOOP >> MY SOURCES TOLD ME THAT THEY 523 00:25:47,113 --> 00:25:49,916 HAD TO TAKE A LOOK AT DERRICK. THEY ACTUALLY RAISED DERRICK AS 524 00:25:49,916 --> 00:25:53,486 A POSSIBLE SUSPECT TO ME LIKE, HOW? 525 00:25:53,486 --> 00:25:56,189 THIS IS -- THIS IS HER BROTHER HE'S SPEARHEADING THESE MASSIVE 526 00:25:56,189 --> 00:25:59,592 SEARCH EFFORTS FOR HER >> Reporter: DERRICK 527 00:25:59,592 --> 00:26:03,096 HOW COULD THAT BE? IT TURNED OUT INVESTIGATORS HAD 528 00:26:03,096 --> 00:26:07,033 RECEIVED ANONYMOUS TEXT-MESSAGE TIPS ABOUT HIM 529 00:26:07,033 --> 00:26:08,535 >> EARLY ON IN THE INVESTIGATION, A COUPLE OF TEXT 530 00:26:08,535 --> 00:26:09,703 MESSAGES THAT CAME IN, THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE BROTHER 531 00:26:09,703 --> 00:26:16,142 DERRICK. >> Reporter: THE FIRST MESSAGE 532 00:26:16,142 --> 00:26:17,143 READ - "PLEASE LOOK N2 THE FACT THAT 533 00:26:17,143 --> 00:26:19,379 PAM AND THE BROTHER. WERE NOT AS CLOSE AS HE TRY 534 00:26:19,379 --> 00:26:21,815 2 MAKE IT APPEAR." ANOTHER MESSAGE ALSO PUT DERRICK 535 00:26:21,815 --> 00:26:23,416 IN THE FRAME "PAM BUTLER STILL MISSING. 536 00:26:23,416 --> 00:26:24,217 THE BROTHER HAS ALL OF Y'ALL FOOLED." 537 00:26:24,217 --> 00:26:27,821 >> THESE STRANGE TEXT MESSAGES CAME OUT SAYING, "YOU SHOULD 538 00:26:27,821 --> 00:26:29,823 TAKE A LOOK AT PAM BUTLER'S BROTHER. 539 00:26:29,823 --> 00:26:31,424 HE DID IT. >> Reporter: JENNIFER THE 540 00:26:31,424 --> 00:26:33,460 REPORTER LEARNED DERRICK HAD A PROPERTY BUSINESS WITH HIS 541 00:26:33,460 --> 00:26:34,961 SISTER >> THEY OWNED A BUILDING 542 00:26:34,961 --> 00:26:37,530 TOGETHER, SO THEY HAD FINANCIAL INTERESTS. 543 00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:40,400 THEY SHARED FINANCIAL INTERESTS. THERE WERE THE WILLS 544 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,138 HE WAS NAMED AS A BENEFICIARY IN HER WILL 545 00:26:45,138 --> 00:26:47,574 >> Reporter: THEN A FAMILY MEMBER TOLD POLICE THAT PAM HAD 546 00:26:47,574 --> 00:26:50,143 BEEN PLANNING TO END SOME OF HER BUSINESS DEALINGS WITH DERRICK 547 00:26:50,143 --> 00:26:52,746 BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T THINK HE WAS A GOOD MANAGER 548 00:26:52,746 --> 00:26:56,683 >> IS THERE REASON THERE IS THERE POSSIBLE MOTIVE THERE 549 00:26:56,683 --> 00:26:59,352 >> Reporter: IT WAS HARD FOR THE REPORTER TO BELIEVE THE BROTHER 550 00:26:59,352 --> 00:27:01,688 WHO SEEMED SO CARING AND DETERMINED TO CRACK THE CASE WAS 551 00:27:01,688 --> 00:27:05,892 ACTUALLY UNDER SUSPICION FOR HIS SISTER'S DISAPPEARANCE 552 00:27:05,892 --> 00:27:09,029 BUT -- >> THOU DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH. 553 00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:15,635 IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE? IS THE BROTHER PUSHING SO MUCH 554 00:27:15,635 --> 00:27:17,537 THAT IT'S BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY IS THE ONE WHO DID SOMETHING? 555 00:27:17,537 --> 00:27:21,041 >> Reporter: POLICE QUESTIONED DERRICK NUMEROUS TIMES DURING 556 00:27:21,041 --> 00:27:23,109 THEIR INVESTIGATION, SESSIONS THAT TURNED SOUR 557 00:27:23,109 --> 00:27:27,313 >> THEY WOULD SAY THINGS TO ME, LIKE, YOU KNOW, "IT'S NOT 558 00:27:27,313 --> 00:27:29,582 LOOKING REALLY GOOD FOR YOU. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT WE SEE 559 00:27:29,582 --> 00:27:31,918 THAT HAD ANYTHING TO GAIN FROM HER -- HER GOIN' MISSING." 560 00:27:31,918 --> 00:27:33,053 >> Reporter: YOU'RE GONNA INHERIT HER MONEY. 561 00:27:33,053 --> 00:27:34,421 >> CORRECT >> Reporter: AND THIS, DERRICK, 562 00:27:34,421 --> 00:27:35,822 IS WHAT? JUST MONTHS AFTER YOUR SISTER'S 563 00:27:35,822 --> 00:27:37,857 REPORTED MISSIN' >> CORRECT 564 00:27:37,857 --> 00:27:39,392 "THE BROTHER DID IT. >> Reporter: AND THEY'RE GOING 565 00:27:39,392 --> 00:27:40,560 THROUGH YOUR CREDIT CARD TRANSACTIONS AND YOUR PHONE 566 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,328 CALLS. >> THEY WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING. 567 00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:43,263 EVERYTHING >> Reporter: GIVIN' THE 568 00:27:43,263 --> 00:27:44,230 FULL-BLOWN INVESTIGATION INTO YOU? 569 00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:47,367 >> CORRECT UH-HUH 570 00:27:47,367 --> 00:27:49,803 >> Reporter: BUT NOTHING CAME OF ALL THE QUESTIONING, AND DERRICK 571 00:27:49,803 --> 00:27:52,238 INSISTED HE HAD DONE NOTHING TO PAM. 572 00:27:52,238 --> 00:27:55,775 AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE THE WHOLE MYSTERIOUS STORY OF 573 00:27:55,775 --> 00:27:58,478 PAMELA BUTLER STAYED, IN LIMBO >> YOUR DAUGHTER WILL BE 574 00:27:58,478 --> 00:28:01,314 REMEMBERED EVERY DAY >> Reporter: ON THE FIRST 575 00:28:01,314 --> 00:28:06,052 ANNIVERSARY OF PAM'S DISAPPEARANCE, DERRICK HELD A 576 00:28:06,052 --> 00:28:08,221 VIGIL ATTENDED BY FAMILY AND PAM'S CLOSEST FRIENDS. 577 00:28:08,221 --> 00:28:10,824 AND AS THE YEARS PASSED, THERE WERE MORE VIGILS 578 00:28:10,824 --> 00:28:12,158 >> I WILL TELL YOU, THEY WERE VERY, VERY PAINFUL BECAUSE 579 00:28:12,158 --> 00:28:14,761 YOU'RE STANDING IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE. 580 00:28:14,761 --> 00:28:19,499 YOU'RE RELIVING THE WHOLE SCENARIO 581 00:28:19,499 --> 00:28:22,902 >> Reporter: DETECTIVE CREDLE ATTENDED THE VIGILS, TOO 582 00:28:22,902 --> 00:28:25,739 AND HE KEPT SEARCHING FOR CLUES, SOMETIMES SPENDING HOURS LATE AT 583 00:28:25,739 --> 00:28:33,246 NIGHT OUTSIDE PAM'S HOME >> LONG TIME AGO, WHEN I FIRST 584 00:28:33,246 --> 00:28:34,447 JOINED HOMICIDE, MY SERGEANT SAID, "IF YOU SPEND ENOUGH TIME 585 00:28:34,447 --> 00:28:35,448 WITH A CRIME SCENE, IT'LL START TALKING TO YOU." 586 00:28:35,448 --> 00:28:36,349 >> Reporter: WHAT WAS THIS ONE TELLING YOU? 587 00:28:36,349 --> 00:28:37,917 HERE YOU ARE IN THE DARK, YEARS LATER. 588 00:28:37,917 --> 00:28:40,220 >> AT NIGHT. WATCHIN' THE HOUSE 589 00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:41,955 THERE IS NO LATE DOG WALKERS THERE IS NO ONE JOGGING. 590 00:28:41,955 --> 00:28:43,757 SO IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT >> Reporter: YOU WERE STRIKING 591 00:28:43,757 --> 00:28:46,326 OUT WITH IT. >> OH, MY GOD. 592 00:28:46,326 --> 00:28:47,961 I WAS WHOA, LORD HAVE MERCY. IT'S LIKE I WENT A WHOLE 593 00:28:47,961 --> 00:28:49,963 BASEBALL SEASON WITHOUT A HIT. >> Reporter: DID YOU LOSE FAITH 594 00:28:49,963 --> 00:28:52,298 IN THE INVESTIGATION >> I DID LOSE FAITH IN THE 595 00:28:52,298 --> 00:28:55,835 INVESTIGATION. I REALLY IN MY MIND THOUGHT THAT 596 00:28:55,835 --> 00:28:58,538 THEY WOULD NEVER CHARGE ANYONE >> Reporter: WHY DID THIS CASE 597 00:28:58,538 --> 00:28:59,639 STICK WITH YOU, MITCH? YOU'RE A VETERAN 598 00:28:59,639 --> 00:29:01,775 YOU'VE HAD UNSOLVES ALONG THE WAY. 599 00:29:01,775 --> 00:29:04,377 >> YEAH, I HAVE HAD PLENTY OF UNSOLVED CASES 600 00:29:04,377 --> 00:29:07,614 THIS CASE STUCK WITH ME BECAUSE OF DERRICK AND HIS MOTHER. 601 00:29:07,614 --> 00:29:09,916 WHEN I MET HIS MOTHER, I WAS JUST -- OH, WOW, I COULDN'T EVEN 602 00:29:09,916 --> 00:29:11,284 HOLD MYSELF TOGETHER BECAUSE I'M SITTIN HERE TALKIN' TO HER AND I 603 00:29:11,284 --> 00:29:13,186 CAN'T EVEN GIVE HER ANY INFORMATION. 604 00:29:13,186 --> 00:29:17,223 THERE'S NOTHING I CAN TELL HER NOTHING I COULD DO 605 00:29:17,223 --> 00:29:19,659 IT'S NOTHING >> Reporter: SEVEN WHOLE YEARS 606 00:29:19,659 --> 00:29:23,396 WENT BY, AND STILL THERE WAS NO TRACE OF PAMELA BUTLER 607 00:29:23,396 --> 00:29:25,865 NO CALLS TO HER BELOVED FAMILY AND FRIENDS. 608 00:29:25,865 --> 00:29:27,667 NO BIRTHDAYS OR HOLIDAYS CELEBRATED 609 00:29:27,667 --> 00:29:32,038 NO FINANCIAL ACTIVITY ON HER ACCOUNTS 610 00:29:32,038 --> 00:29:36,176 NOTHING. FINALLY, IN 2016, A JUDGE 611 00:29:36,176 --> 00:29:39,646 DECLARED PAM OFFICIALLY DEAD NOW HER MISSING PERSONS CASE 612 00:29:39,646 --> 00:29:43,917 COULD BE OFFICIALLY CLASSIFIED AS AN UNSOLVED HOMICIDE. 613 00:29:43,917 --> 00:29:48,121 AND MITCH CREDLE, SOON TO RETIRE, MADE A LAST-DITCH PLEA 614 00:29:48,121 --> 00:29:50,657 TO HIS BOSS. >> I SAID, "COMMANDER, LOOK THIS 615 00:29:50,657 --> 00:29:54,394 FAMILY NEEDS MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE GIVING THEM. 616 00:29:54,394 --> 00:29:56,796 THIS CASE NEEDS TO BE HANDLED BY SOMEONE IN THE COLD CASE UNIT. 617 00:29:56,796 --> 00:29:59,499 GIVE ONE OF THEM DUDES THIS CASE." 618 00:29:59,499 --> 00:30:01,968 AND HE LOOKED AT ME, SAID, "OKAY, MITCH, I WILL." 619 00:30:01,968 --> 00:30:05,171 AND WHEN HE SAID THAT I WAS LIKE, "THANK GOD." 620 00:30:05,171 --> 00:30:08,541 >> Reporter: A NEW DETECTIVE WAS PROMPTLY ASSIGNED, AND HE 621 00:30:08,541 --> 00:30:13,013 PLUNGED DEEP INTO THE PAM BUTLER CASE FILE. 622 00:30:13,013 --> 00:30:14,147 IT WASN'T LONG BEFORE HE TURNED UP NEW EVIDENCE, AND THE 623 00:30:14,147 --> 00:30:19,519 INVESTIGATION TOOK A DRAMATIC TWIST. 624 00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:24,657 >> COMING UP, ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT SURVEILLANCE VIDEO. 625 00:30:24,657 --> 00:30:27,460 >> WHEN YOU WATCH THE VIDEO FRAME BY FRAME BY FRAME BY 626 00:30:27,460 --> 00:30:30,497 FRAME, YOU START TO SEE LITTLE THINGS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE 627 00:30:30,497 --> 00:30:33,333 >> Reporter: AND A CLOSER LOOK AT PAM'S BROTHER DERRICK 628 00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:34,834 >> IT'S AWKWARD TO HAVE TO ASK SOMEBODY, "DID YOU KILL YOUR 629 00:30:34,834 --> 00:30:37,270 SISTER?" >> Reporter: BUT YOU DID 630 00:30:37,270 --> 00:30:54,254 >> I DID, YES. >> Reporter: WHEN "DAT 631 00:30:54,254 --> 00:30:57,357 >> Reporter: IN LATE 2016, 7 YEARS AFTER PAM BUTLER WENT 632 00:30:57,357 --> 00:30:59,926 MISSING, A 28-YEAR VETERAN D.C. COLD CASE DETECTIVE NAMED 633 00:30:59,926 --> 00:31:06,833 MIKE FULTON WAS ASSIGNED THE CASE 634 00:31:06,833 --> 00:31:10,203 THE STORY GOES THAT YOU REALLY WANTED THAT ONE. 635 00:31:10,203 --> 00:31:11,938 >> I DID YOU WANT THE TOUGH ONES. 636 00:31:11,938 --> 00:31:13,073 AND THIS WAS A BIG CASE. >> Reporter: UNLIKE DETECTIVES 637 00:31:13,073 --> 00:31:14,474 BEFORE HIM, FULTON HAD THE LUXURY OF WORKING PAM'S CASE 638 00:31:14,474 --> 00:31:15,275 FULL TIME. HE BELIEVED HE WAS LIKELY 639 00:31:15,275 --> 00:31:19,279 DEALING WITH HER MURDER, EVEN THOUGH PAM'S BODY HAD NOT BEEN 640 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:23,083 FOUND. >> SHE WAS DECLARED LEGALLY 641 00:31:23,083 --> 00:31:26,086 DEAD >> Reporter: AND WHY WAS THAT 642 00:31:26,086 --> 00:31:29,656 IMPORTANT FOR YOU AS AN INVESTIGATOR 643 00:31:29,656 --> 00:31:34,961 >> ULTIMATELY, IF WE FIGURE OUT WHO DID IT, A DEFENSE ATTORNEY 644 00:31:34,961 --> 00:31:38,465 CAN'T SAY, "LOOK, PAM BUTLER'S ALIVE. 645 00:31:38,465 --> 00:31:39,833 SHE'S GONNA WALK THROUGH THIS DOOR." 646 00:31:39,833 --> 00:31:40,900 AND HAVE EVERYBODY SORT OF TURN AND LOOK 647 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:41,968 >> Reporter: NO BODY, NO CRIME RIGHT? 648 00:31:41,968 --> 00:31:42,702 THAT'S THE BUMPER STICKER, RIGHT? 649 00:31:42,702 --> 00:31:44,104 >> EXACTLY THE JUDGE ISN'T SAYIN' THAT SHE 650 00:31:44,104 --> 00:31:45,205 WAS A VICTIM OF A HOMICIDE THE JUDGE IS SAYIN' SHE'S DEAD 651 00:31:45,205 --> 00:31:46,339 SO ONCE WE GET THE FACTS TO SHOW THAT SHE'S A VICTIM OF A 652 00:31:46,339 --> 00:31:47,273 HOMICIDE, IT JUST MAKES IT THAT MUCH EASIER. 653 00:31:47,273 --> 00:31:48,475 >> Reporter: EASIER TO MAKE AN ARREST AND SECURE A CONVICTION 654 00:31:48,475 --> 00:31:50,910 WHAT'S YOUR APPROACH, DETECTIVE? DO YOU PUT THE CLOCK BACK TO DAY 655 00:31:50,910 --> 00:31:58,785 ONE, HOUR ONE ON THIS THING? >> ABSOLUTELY. 656 00:31:58,785 --> 00:32:00,086 >> Reporter: SO DETECTIVE, THIS IS PAMELA'S PLACE. 657 00:32:00,086 --> 00:32:05,392 LIKE THE DETECTIVES BEFORE HIM, DET. FULTON IMMEDIATELY DROVE 658 00:32:05,392 --> 00:32:06,526 OUT TO PAM'S HOUSE >> THE HOUSE LOOKS DIFFERENT NOW 659 00:32:06,526 --> 00:32:07,527 THAN IT DID BACK IN 2009, BUT THIS IS IT 660 00:32:07,527 --> 00:32:09,162 >> Reporter: HE BEGAN TO EXCAVATE THE FOUNDATIONS OF 661 00:32:09,162 --> 00:32:13,633 PAM'S CASE >> WE START DISSECTING HER LIFE, 662 00:32:13,633 --> 00:32:14,734 YOU KNOW WHO WERE HER FRIENDS 663 00:32:14,734 --> 00:32:15,935 DOES SHE HAVE ANY OTHER BOYFRIENDS 664 00:32:15,935 --> 00:32:17,570 EX-HUSBANDS, HER JOB YOU KNOW, FINANCIALS 665 00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:18,538 YOU START GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING 666 00:32:18,538 --> 00:32:22,075 >> Reporter: EVERYTHING. BUT FIRST OFF, PAM BUTLER'S 667 00:32:22,075 --> 00:32:23,443 FAMILY THE DETECTIVE REVIEWED THE 668 00:32:23,443 --> 00:32:27,347 ORIGINAL PERSONS OF INTEREST AND BECAME CONVINCED, FOR ONE, THAT 669 00:32:27,347 --> 00:32:30,617 PAM'S NEPHEW BRANDON, JUST A TEENAGER AT THE TIME, HAD 670 00:32:30,617 --> 00:32:34,287 NOTHING TO DO WITH PAM'S DEATH BUT HE DIDN'T DISMISS THE 671 00:32:34,287 --> 00:32:36,589 SUSPICIONS ABOUT PAM'S BROTHER DERRICK. 672 00:32:36,589 --> 00:32:37,657 >> YOU HAVE TO INVESTIGATE EVERY ANGLE. 673 00:32:37,657 --> 00:32:39,092 >> Reporter: FOLLOWING THE MONEY, RIGHT 674 00:32:39,092 --> 00:32:41,628 >> ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY 675 00:32:41,628 --> 00:32:44,531 YOU FOLLOW THE INVESTIGATION WHERE IT GOES. 676 00:32:44,531 --> 00:32:45,565 >> Reporter: AND JUST AS PREVIOUS INVESTIGATORS HAD 677 00:32:45,565 --> 00:32:48,968 LEARNED, THE MONEY TRAIL LED TO DERRICK. 678 00:32:48,968 --> 00:33:00,947 >> THERE WAS QUESTIONS I HAD TO ASK HIM THAT WERE HARD THAT HE 679 00:33:00,947 --> 00:33:01,915 NEEDED TO ANSWER >> Reporter: TOP METROPOLITAN 680 00:33:01,915 --> 00:33:03,049 POLICE OFFICIALS CALLED DERRICK IN TO MEET WITH THE NEW 681 00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:03,917 DETECTIVE ASSIGNED TO HIS SISTER'S CASE. 682 00:33:03,917 --> 00:33:04,751 A NEW FACE DERRICK SAW ONLY MORE OF THE 683 00:33:04,751 --> 00:33:05,385 SAME YOU WENT THROUGH SOME 684 00:33:05,385 --> 00:33:06,319 DETECTIVES, RIGHT? >> OH, YES, AT LEAST FIVE 685 00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:07,487 DETECTIVES YES. 686 00:33:07,487 --> 00:33:11,624 >> Reporter: SO HERE'S YET ANOTHER DETECTIVE YOU'RE 687 00:33:11,624 --> 00:33:12,892 INTRODUCED TO AS, "HERE'S YOUR GUY NOW. 688 00:33:12,892 --> 00:33:14,060 >> UH-HUH. WASN'T IMPRESSED AT ALL. 689 00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:15,228 HE JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO ME LIKE HE -- LIKE HE HAD IT 690 00:33:15,228 --> 00:33:17,130 AND THE WAY THAT HE WAS TALKIN', IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM LIKE HE WAS 691 00:33:17,130 --> 00:33:19,699 THE ONE. >> Reporter: THEN QUITE 692 00:33:19,699 --> 00:33:24,204 SUDDENLY, OMINOUSLY, THE ATMOSPHERE IN THIS INTRODUCTORY 693 00:33:24,204 --> 00:33:27,307 MEETING CHANGED. FULTON CONFRONTED DERRICK, 694 00:33:27,307 --> 00:33:28,608 CUTTING RIGHT TO THE CHASE >> IT'S AWKWARD TO HAVE TO ASK 695 00:33:28,608 --> 00:33:30,443 SOMEBODY, "DID YOU KILL YOUR SISTER?" 696 00:33:30,443 --> 00:33:31,544 >> Reporter: BUT YOU DID >> I DID, YES. 697 00:33:31,544 --> 00:33:34,948 >> AND HE ASKED ME -- HE SAID, "DID YOU DO SOMETHIN' TO YOUR 698 00:33:34,948 --> 00:33:35,915 SISTER?" >> Reporter: THIS NEW COP IS 699 00:33:35,915 --> 00:33:37,083 THINKING, "MAYBE I'M TALKING TO THE KILLER RIGHT HERE, THE 700 00:33:37,083 --> 00:33:41,488 BROTHER WHO BENEFITED FROM HER DEATH. 701 00:33:41,488 --> 00:33:46,559 >> I SAID, "NO, I DIDN'T DO IT." >> Reporter: BUT DERRICK HAD A 702 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:47,660 GROWING SENSE OF FOREBODING. THIS NEW DETECTIVE WASN'T 703 00:33:47,660 --> 00:33:48,595 LETTING GO AND DRILLED DOWN AGAIN. 704 00:33:48,595 --> 00:33:49,629 YOU'RE STILL ON HIS LIST >> UH-HUH. 705 00:33:49,629 --> 00:33:51,398 HE SAID, "I NEED YOU TO COME DOWN AND GIVE SOME DNA." 706 00:33:51,398 --> 00:33:53,466 OKAY >> Reporter: OH, THIS IS 707 00:33:53,466 --> 00:33:54,768 GETTIN' -- YOU'RE HITTIN' ANOTHER GEAR HERE IN THIS WHOLE 708 00:33:54,768 --> 00:33:55,902 "DERRICK DID IT" THEORY. >> UH-HUH. 709 00:33:55,902 --> 00:33:59,506 >> Reporter: BUT FULTON WAS HEADING DOWN MULTIPLE PATHS IN 710 00:33:59,506 --> 00:34:04,344 HIS INVESTIGATION. HE WASN'T READY TO DISCOUNT 711 00:34:04,344 --> 00:34:05,645 PAM'S BOYFRIEND JOSE, EVEN THOUGH HE HAD NO FELONIES TO HIS 712 00:34:05,645 --> 00:34:07,347 NAME HE RETRIEVED PAM BUTLER'S 713 00:34:07,347 --> 00:34:11,818 SECURITY CAMERA FOOTAGE FROM THE CASE FILE. 714 00:34:11,818 --> 00:34:16,189 ARE THESE SURVEILLANCE VIDEOS YOUR MAIN BIT OF EVIDENCE IN 715 00:34:16,189 --> 00:34:19,225 THIS CASE? >> THEY'RE A VERY CRUCIAL PART 716 00:34:19,225 --> 00:34:20,660 OF -- OF THE INVESTIGATION WHEN YOU WATCH THE VIDEO FRAME 717 00:34:20,660 --> 00:34:24,064 BY FRAME BY FRAME BY FRAME, YOU START TO SEE LITTLE THINGS THAT 718 00:34:24,064 --> 00:34:26,466 DON'T MAKE SENSE >> Reporter: FOR INSTANCE -- 719 00:34:26,466 --> 00:34:27,867 >> THE MOTION SENSOR LIGHTS. YOU KNOW, WHY AREN'T THEY 720 00:34:27,867 --> 00:34:30,070 WORKING? IT'S NIGHTTIME 721 00:34:30,070 --> 00:34:31,571 SO ANY TIME ANYTHING CAME, YOU KNOW, A CAT, ANYTHING, THESE 722 00:34:31,571 --> 00:34:38,078 LIGHTS WOULD POP ON. POP ON, ILLUMINATE AROUND THE 723 00:34:38,078 --> 00:34:40,080 HOUSE. SO SOMETIME, IN THE LATE HOURS, 724 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,082 YOU CAN SEE JOSE COME OUTSIDE, BUT THE LIGHTS DON'T COME ON 725 00:34:42,082 --> 00:34:44,751 >> Reporter: IT WAS TRUE THE VIDEO THAT FIRST SHOWED JOSE 726 00:34:44,751 --> 00:34:48,822 IN THE GLARE OF A MOTION-ACTIVATED SECURITY LIGHT 727 00:34:48,822 --> 00:34:51,291 AROUND THE TIME PAM WENT MISSING LATER SEEMED AS THOUGH IT HAD 728 00:34:51,291 --> 00:34:52,625 BEEN TURNED OFF. WHAT'S THAT TELL YA? 729 00:34:52,625 --> 00:34:54,427 >> THAT TELLS ME THAT -- I MEAN, WHAT'S GOIN' ON? 730 00:34:54,427 --> 00:34:57,664 >> Reporter: AND SOMETHING ELSE CAUGHT THE DETECTIVE'S EYE, 731 00:34:57,664 --> 00:35:00,700 SOMETHING SEEN IN JOSE'S HAND. IT APPEARED TO BE PAM BUTLER'S 732 00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:13,847 KEY CHAIN. HOW MIGHT JOSE EXPLAIN WHY HE 733 00:35:13,847 --> 00:35:16,116 HAD IT >> YOU TOLD US THAT PAM GAVE YOU 734 00:35:16,116 --> 00:35:17,050 ONE KEY. BUT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A 735 00:35:17,050 --> 00:35:18,118 KEY WITH STUFF HANGIN' FROM IT AND WE KNOW THAT PAM HAD A 736 00:35:18,118 --> 00:35:18,952 KEYCHAIN AND WE'RE LIKE, "WELL, WAIT A 737 00:35:18,952 --> 00:35:19,686 SECOND WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM? 738 00:35:19,686 --> 00:35:21,187 >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVE'S SUSPICIONS TOOK HIM ON A DEEP 739 00:35:21,187 --> 00:35:23,523 DIVE INTO JOSE'S PAST, GOING BACK SOME 30 YEARS 740 00:35:23,523 --> 00:35:30,630 HE DISCOVERED SOME TROUBLING STORIES ABOUT JOSE 741 00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:32,499 AND WOMEN. >>> COMING UP -- 742 00:35:32,499 --> 00:35:35,068 A MAN WITH A SECRET. TWO LIVES. 743 00:35:35,068 --> 00:35:38,638 TWO WIVES. >> HOW DO YOU PULL THAT OFF? 744 00:35:38,638 --> 00:35:59,793 YOU LEARN HOW TO LIE TO ONE >> Reporter: THE COMINGS AND 745 00:35:59,793 --> 00:36:02,929 GOINGS OF PAMELA BUTLER'S BOYFRIEND JOSE, CAPTURED ON 746 00:36:02,929 --> 00:36:06,433 PAM'S HOME SECURITY CAMERAS, WERE MORE THAN PERPLEXING TO 747 00:36:06,433 --> 00:36:10,637 DET. MIKE FULTON OF WASHINGTON D.C.'S METROPOLITAN 748 00:36:10,637 --> 00:36:13,473 POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO IN EARLY 2017, EVEN AS PAM'S 749 00:36:13,473 --> 00:36:16,476 BROTHER DERRICK REMAINED A PERSON OF INTEREST IN HER 750 00:36:16,476 --> 00:36:19,212 DISAPPEARANCE, THE DETECTIVE TOOK A HARD LOOK AT JOSE'S 751 00:36:19,212 --> 00:36:21,514 BACKGROUND ON A FIRST TAKE, HOW DOES JOSE 752 00:36:21,514 --> 00:36:23,450 COME ACROSS? >> A NORMAL GUY. 753 00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:32,392 YOU KNOW, SERVED HIS COUNTRY, WORKS HARD 754 00:36:32,392 --> 00:36:34,060 >> Reporter: THE D.C. DETECTIVE NEEDED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT JOSE'S 755 00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:35,528 PERSONAL LIFE. SO TO GET THE SCOOP, HE REACHED 756 00:36:35,528 --> 00:36:37,163 ACROSS THE POTOMAC RIVER TO LAW ENFORCEMENT COLLEAGUES IN 757 00:36:37,163 --> 00:36:40,300 ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA, WHERE JOSE WAS LIVING 758 00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:44,671 >> I REMEMBER VIVIDLY, IT WAS MARCH OF 2017. 759 00:36:44,671 --> 00:36:47,640 HE SAYS THAT HE NEEDED MY HELP >> Reporter: ARLINGTON PD COLD 760 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,412 CASE DETECTIVE ROSA ORTIZ GOT THE CALL 761 00:36:52,412 --> 00:36:55,515 AS SHE BEGAN TO INVESTIGATE, SHE LEARNED THAT LONG BEFORE THE 762 00:36:55,515 --> 00:37:01,287 PAM BUTLER CASE, JOSE HAD BEEN MARRIED IN PUERTO RICO TO A 763 00:37:01,287 --> 00:37:04,691 WOMAN NAMED MARTA. >> THEY MEET IN PUERTO RICO. 764 00:37:04,691 --> 00:37:06,426 THEY GO TO THE SAME SCHOOL MARTA IS A BIT OLDER THAN JOSE 765 00:37:06,426 --> 00:37:15,135 >> Reporter: DID YOU WANNA KNOW WHO MARTA WAS? 766 00:37:15,135 --> 00:37:16,736 >> I WANTED TO, ABSOLUTELY >> Reporter: DETECTIVE OTIZ, WHO 767 00:37:16,736 --> 00:37:17,937 SPEAKS FLUENT SPANISH, WAS ABLE TO FILL IN SOME BLANKS ABOUT 768 00:37:17,937 --> 00:37:18,838 MARTA FROM HER SISTER NEIDA IN PUERTO RICO. 769 00:37:18,838 --> 00:37:26,846 >> SHE WAS SLIM AND TALL SHE HAD GREEN EYES, VERY PRETTY. 770 00:37:26,846 --> 00:37:29,149 SHE WAS VERY INTELLIGENT SHE WAS ALWAYS LAUGHING. 771 00:37:29,149 --> 00:37:36,489 >> Reporter: SHE HAS A RECORDING OF HER SISTER SINGING CHEERFULLY 772 00:37:36,489 --> 00:37:40,860 ALL THOSE YEARS AGO. AND SHE SAYS MARTA WAS EVEN 773 00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:44,964 HAPPIER AFTER SHE AND JOSE HAD A BABY BOY THEY NAMED HANSEL AND 774 00:37:44,964 --> 00:37:52,072 SETTLED IN ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA >> SHE WAS COMPLETELY DEDICATED 775 00:37:52,072 --> 00:37:53,073 TO HER BOY NOTHING BUT THE BEST FOR HIM 776 00:37:53,073 --> 00:37:56,242 >> Reporter: THE PICTURE WAS THAT OF A HAPPY AMERICAN FAMILY. 777 00:37:56,242 --> 00:37:57,510 BUT WHEN THE DETECTIVE DUG DOWN A LITTLE, SHE DISCOVERED STORIES 778 00:37:57,510 --> 00:38:00,180 ABOUT JOSE THAT SHATTERED THE HEARTWARMING IMAGE 779 00:38:00,180 --> 00:38:07,020 IT TURNED OUT THAT WHILE HE WAS SERVING WITH THE U.S. ARMY IN 780 00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:13,393 CENTRAL AMERICA, HE'D MET ANOTHER WOMAN. 781 00:38:13,393 --> 00:38:14,461 >> HE MEETS HER AND HE MARRIES HER IN PANAMA. 782 00:38:14,461 --> 00:38:15,829 >> Reporter: WOMAN NAMED GUADALUPE. 783 00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:17,697 >> GUADALUPE AND THEN EVENTUALLY HE BRINGS 784 00:38:17,697 --> 00:38:18,665 HER OVER TO THE U.S. AND THAT'S THE END OF '88, 785 00:38:18,665 --> 00:38:19,666 BEGINNING OF '89 >> Reporter: HE'S GOT TWO WIVES 786 00:38:19,666 --> 00:38:21,668 IN THE GREATER D.C. AREA IS THAT THE PICTURE? 787 00:38:21,668 --> 00:38:23,103 >> THAT IS >> Reporter: SOMEBODY STASHED 788 00:38:23,103 --> 00:38:25,905 OVER HERE IN AN APARTMENT, LIVING A LIFE, AND SOMEBODY ELSE 789 00:38:25,905 --> 00:38:28,475 IS SOMEWHERE ELSE? AND HE'S SHUTTLING BETWEEN THE 790 00:38:28,475 --> 00:38:30,510 TWO LIVES? >> THAT'S CORRECT. 791 00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:35,782 >> Reporter: AND ALL IN SECRET DID SHE KNOW AT THE TIME THAT HE 792 00:38:35,782 --> 00:38:41,888 WAS MARRIED TO THIS OTHER WOMAN NAMED MARTA? 793 00:38:41,888 --> 00:38:44,057 >> SHE DID NOT SHE HAD NO IDEA WHO MARTA WAS. 794 00:38:44,057 --> 00:38:45,058 >> Reporter: SHE WAS TOTALLY IN THE DARK ON THAT 795 00:38:45,058 --> 00:38:46,192 >> SHE WAS >> Reporter: WHAT'S MORE, JOSE 796 00:38:46,192 --> 00:38:47,394 HAD A SON WITH GUADALUPE, TOO. WHAT'S THAT TELL US ABOUT THE 797 00:38:47,394 --> 00:38:49,195 GUY, JOSE? >> HE LIVED TWO DIFFERENT LIVES. 798 00:38:49,195 --> 00:38:51,765 SO HOW DO YOU PULL THAT OFF? YOU LEARN HOW TO LIE TO ONE 799 00:38:51,765 --> 00:38:54,200 WIFE, LIE TO THE OTHER WIFE. >> TWO WOMEN, TWO CHILDREN 800 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,337 NEITHER KNOWS ABOUT THE OTHER, AT LEAST FOR A WHILE 801 00:38:57,337 --> 00:38:59,806 >> FOR A WHILE, YES. >> Reporter: MARTA'S SISTER SAYS 802 00:38:59,806 --> 00:39:03,677 EVENTUALLY MARTA GOT WISE TO JOSE AND GUADALUPE 803 00:39:03,677 --> 00:39:08,014 >> SHE KNEW. SHE TOLD HER SISTER THAT SHE 804 00:39:08,014 --> 00:39:09,783 KNEW THEY WERE MARRIED >> Reporter: THAT'S WHEN THE 805 00:39:09,783 --> 00:39:14,554 PROBLEMS STARTED AND SHE DECIDED TO SEPARATE FROM HIM 806 00:39:14,554 --> 00:39:19,259 THE DEEPER ORTIZ DUG INTO MARTA'S STORY, THE MORE SHE FELT 807 00:39:19,259 --> 00:39:20,894 AN AFFINITY WITH HER >> I COULDN'T HELP BUT 808 00:39:20,894 --> 00:39:23,063 SYMPATHIZE WITH HER. >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVE 809 00:39:23,063 --> 00:39:30,537 HERSELF HAD ALSO MOVED FROM PUERTO RICO TO VIRGINIA IN THE 810 00:39:30,537 --> 00:39:31,938 1980s, JUST BEFORE MARTA >> Reporter: IT'S A FUNNY KIND 811 00:39:31,938 --> 00:39:32,572 OF SYMMETRY. I MEAN - 812 00:39:32,572 --> 00:39:33,707 >> IT IS - >> Reporter: YOU'VE COME FROM 813 00:39:33,707 --> 00:39:34,908 PUERTO RICO, AND YOUR FIRST MAJOR, MAJOR CASE IS FINDING OUT 814 00:39:34,908 --> 00:39:36,776 WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THIS WOMAN. AND SHE HAS SOME OF THE SAME 815 00:39:36,776 --> 00:39:38,778 PATHWAYS THAT YOU HAVE >> ABSOLUTELY. 816 00:39:38,778 --> 00:39:41,348 THERE WAS A CONNECTION >> Reporter: YOU KNEW PEOPLE 817 00:39:41,348 --> 00:39:45,051 THAT SHE KNEW. >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 818 00:39:45,051 --> 00:39:46,653 SO IT WAS EASIER FOR ME TO REACH OUT AND FIND PEOPLE. 819 00:39:46,653 --> 00:39:51,391 >> Reporter: PEOPLE WHO COULD TELL HER WHAT HAPPENED TO MARTA. 820 00:39:51,391 --> 00:39:54,661 WHEN MARTA FINALLY SEPARATED FROM JOSE, THEIR SON HANSEL WAS 821 00:39:54,661 --> 00:39:58,064 IN PUERTO RICO WITH FAMILY MARTA MEANWHILE GOT AN APARTMENT 822 00:39:58,064 --> 00:40:01,001 WITH ROOMMATES AND SHE GOT A JOB TOO, ANOTHER 823 00:40:01,001 --> 00:40:03,737 ECHO OF THE DETECTIVE'S OWN PAST BEFORE HER CAREER IN LAW 824 00:40:03,737 --> 00:40:11,845 ENFORCEMENT, AS SHE LEARNED MARTA STARTED WORKING IN A 825 00:40:11,845 --> 00:40:13,079 PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL >> Reporter: YOU'D WORKED THERE 826 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:13,613 TOO. >> I DID 827 00:40:13,613 --> 00:40:14,614 SHE WAS DOIN' THE SAME JOB I DID WHEN I WAS THERE 828 00:40:14,614 --> 00:40:15,715 >> Reporter: WOW THE DETECTIVE LEARNED WHEN MARTA 829 00:40:15,715 --> 00:40:18,218 WALKED OUT AND STARTED BUILDING HER NEW LIFE, SHE ALSO GOT A 830 00:40:18,218 --> 00:40:20,520 BOYFRIEND. >> SHE LIKED HIM 831 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,256 HE TREATED HER SO DIFFERENT. SHE JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT -- 832 00:40:23,256 --> 00:40:34,100 THAT THAT KIND OF LOVE EXISTED AND SHE TALKED TO HER SISTER A 833 00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:34,968 LOT ABOUT HOW -- HOW NICE HE WAS WITH HER 834 00:40:34,968 --> 00:40:36,302 SO IT WAS A BIG DEAL TO HER. >> THEY WERE ALREADY 835 00:40:36,302 --> 00:40:40,040 ESTABLISHING A RELATIONSHIP AND WERE PLANNING TO COME AND 836 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:45,879 INTRODUCE THEMSELVES TO MY PARENTS. 837 00:40:45,879 --> 00:40:47,914 >> Reporter: BUT APPARENTLY JOSE HAD OTHER IDEAS ABOUT MARTA AND 838 00:40:47,914 --> 00:40:50,350 NEW MEN. EVEN THOUGH HE HAD A SECOND 839 00:40:50,350 --> 00:40:51,284 FAMILY, HE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE UP MARTA 840 00:40:51,284 --> 00:40:55,889 >> HE WAS FOLLOWING HER WHEN SHE LEFT HIM 841 00:40:55,889 --> 00:40:57,257 WHEN SHE WENT TO WORK, HE FOLLOWED HER 842 00:40:57,257 --> 00:40:59,959 WHEN SHE WENT TO CATCH THE BUS, HE WAS FOLLOWING HER 843 00:40:59,959 --> 00:41:06,533 >> Reporter: SHE SAYS MARTA WAS TERRIFIED OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING 844 00:41:06,533 --> 00:41:09,169 TO HER >>> COMING UP -- 845 00:41:09,169 --> 00:41:11,371 MARTA HAD A VERY GOOD REASON TO BE FRIGHTENED OF JOSE. 846 00:41:11,371 --> 00:41:14,874 >> HE BASICALLY SAID, "LOOK, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND 847 00:41:14,874 --> 00:41:16,609 THIS IS MY WIFE. IF I CAN'T HAVE HER, THEN NOBODY 848 00:41:16,609 --> 00:41:35,095 IS GOING TO HAVE HER." >> Reporter: A STRING OF 849 00:41:35,095 --> 00:41:40,800 DETECTIVES HAD SPENT MORE THAN EIGHT YEARS INVESTIGATING PAMELA 850 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,738 BUTLER'S 2009 DISAPPEARANCE. ALL OF THEM WITH THE VICTIM'S 851 00:41:44,738 --> 00:41:48,375 BROTHER DERRICK ON THEIR CASE. >> AND I'M CALLIN',TELLIN'THEM 852 00:41:48,375 --> 00:41:52,579 ASSKING THEM, "WHAT'S HAPPENING? WHAT ARE YOU DOING 853 00:41:52,579 --> 00:41:55,115 WOULDN'T TELL ME >> Reporter: DERRICK HIMSELF, 854 00:41:55,115 --> 00:41:55,982 MEANWHILE, WAS STILL IN THE FRAME -- 855 00:41:55,982 --> 00:41:57,484 BUT AS 2017 ROLLED ON, THE INVESTIGATION WAS ZEROING IN ON 856 00:41:57,484 --> 00:42:00,887 PAM'S BOYFRIEND JOSE HIS FIRST WIFE MARTA HAD LEFT 857 00:42:00,887 --> 00:42:08,294 HIM, AND DETECTIVE ROSA ORTIZ -- DIGGING THOUGH OLD POLICE 858 00:42:08,294 --> 00:42:13,333 REPORTS -- CAME UP WITH UP AN AMAZING STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED 859 00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:14,534 NEXT >> A NOW RETIRED POLICE OFFICER 860 00:42:14,534 --> 00:42:15,769 SEES A WOMAN STRUGGLING. >> Reporter: SHE TRACKED DOWN 861 00:42:15,769 --> 00:42:20,507 THE OFFICER MENTIONED IN THE POLICE REPORTS -- FORMER 862 00:42:20,507 --> 00:42:28,214 DETECTIVE MIKE SEDDON. IN 1989 -- 20 YEARS BEFORE PAM 863 00:42:28,214 --> 00:42:30,784 BUTLER WENT MISSING -- HE WAS ON PATROL IN ARLINGTON WHEN HE CAME 864 00:42:30,784 --> 00:42:31,951 UPON AN ALARMING SCENE >> SO I IMMEDIATELY SPED UP, 865 00:42:31,951 --> 00:42:33,086 PULLED OVER, JUMPED OUT. >> MIKE, YOU'RE ON FOOT AND IT 866 00:42:33,086 --> 00:42:33,853 DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING 867 00:42:33,853 --> 00:42:35,288 WHAT IS IT >> YOU KNOW, I SEE A DOMESTIC 868 00:42:35,288 --> 00:42:37,457 VIOLENCE SITUATION WHERE A MAN IS DRAGGING A WOMAN UP THE 869 00:42:37,457 --> 00:42:40,293 SIDEWALK >> Reporter: DRAGGING THE WOMAN 870 00:42:40,293 --> 00:42:44,497 BY HER HAIR, HE SAYS HE SHOWED ME WHAT HAPPENED NEXT. 871 00:42:44,497 --> 00:42:47,734 >> HE HAD HIS ARM AROUND HERE AND HE WAS BASICALLY PULLING HER 872 00:42:47,734 --> 00:42:50,303 LIKE THIS, BUT HER FEET WERE OUT FROM UNDERNEATH OF HER AND HE 873 00:42:50,303 --> 00:42:51,938 WAS DRAGGING HER IN THIS DIRECTION. 874 00:42:51,938 --> 00:42:58,978 >> SO THIS IS ALL GOING DOWN VERY QUICKLY 875 00:42:58,978 --> 00:43:00,080 >> RIGHT, ALL GOING DOWN VERY QUICKLY AND HE'S RUNNING 876 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,281 HE LET GO OF HER AND I JUST FOCUSED ON HIM 877 00:43:01,281 --> 00:43:12,058 AND RIGHT ABOUT HERE, I JUST BASICALLY TACKLED HIM TO THE 878 00:43:12,058 --> 00:43:13,326 GROUND AND HELD HIM DOWN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HE WAS FIGHTING 879 00:43:13,326 --> 00:43:14,060 WITH ME, TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, STOP 880 00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:15,662 >> Reporter: THE SIX-FOOT-SEVEN DETECTIVE OVERPOWERED THE MAN 881 00:43:15,662 --> 00:43:17,163 AND CUFFED HIM >> HAD YOU WITNESSED A CRIME 882 00:43:17,163 --> 00:43:21,768 >> YES THERE WAS A PHYSICAL ASSAULT 883 00:43:21,768 --> 00:43:24,070 OCCURRING. >> Reporter: HE WOULD LEARN THE 884 00:43:24,070 --> 00:43:27,874 ASSAILANT'S NAME WAS JOSE AND THE WOMAN HE'D BEEN DRAGGING WAS 885 00:43:27,874 --> 00:43:30,844 HIS ESTRANGED WIFE MARTA >> AND THEN I PAID ATTENTION TO 886 00:43:30,844 --> 00:43:37,917 MARTA, WHO WAS THERE CRYING. AND SHE WAS LIKE, "OH, THANK 887 00:43:37,917 --> 00:43:38,985 YOU, THANK YOU." YOU KNOW, "HELP ME." 888 00:43:38,985 --> 00:43:40,320 AND THEN SHE STARTED TELLING ME WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND IT JUST 889 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,489 BLEW MY MIND >> Reporter: HE SAYS JOSE WAS 890 00:43:42,489 --> 00:43:48,128 APPARENTLY IN A JEALOUS RAGE BECAUSE HE FOUND OUT MARTA HAD A 891 00:43:48,128 --> 00:43:50,096 NEW BOYFRIEND. >> HE HAD ABDUCTED HER FROM HER 892 00:43:50,096 --> 00:43:51,965 HOME AND -- ACCORDING TO HER, KEPT HER IN A HOTEL AND WAS 893 00:43:51,965 --> 00:43:54,934 RAPING HER AND PHYSICALLY ABUSING HER FOR TWO DAYS 894 00:43:54,934 --> 00:44:06,479 >> Reporter: DOWN AT THE POLICE STATION, MARTA TOLD THE 895 00:44:06,479 --> 00:44:08,648 DETECTIVE JOSE HAD USED DUCT TAPE AND ROPE TO ASSAULT HER 896 00:44:08,648 --> 00:44:11,351 SHE ESCAPED -- AND THAT'S WHEN JOSE GRABBED HER ON THE STREET 897 00:44:11,351 --> 00:44:12,919 HER STORY CHECKED OUT WHEN THE DETECTIVE WENT BACK TO THE SCENE 898 00:44:12,919 --> 00:44:14,054 AND SPOTTED JOSE'S CAR >> FOUND THE CAR, LOOKED IN THE 899 00:44:14,054 --> 00:44:14,954 BACK WINDOW, SAW THE DUCT TAPE, SAW THE ROPE 900 00:44:14,954 --> 00:44:16,156 >> THIS IS A CASE THAT SOLVED ITSELF BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO 901 00:44:16,156 --> 00:44:18,124 THE ARRAIGNMENT. >> EXACTLY 902 00:44:18,124 --> 00:44:30,203 >> Reporter: IN A POLICE INTERVIEW, JOSE SEEMED TO DIG 903 00:44:30,203 --> 00:44:34,074 HIMSELF AN EVEN DEEPER HOLE, WITH A CHILLING STATEMENT TO THE 904 00:44:34,074 --> 00:44:35,308 DETECTIVE. >> AND HE BASICALLY SAID, LOOK, 905 00:44:35,308 --> 00:44:36,476 YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. THIS IS MY WIFE, IF 906 00:44:36,476 --> 00:44:42,549 I CAN'T HAVE HER THEN NOBODY IS GOING TO HAVE HER. 907 00:44:42,549 --> 00:44:43,717 >> Reporter: JOSE WAS CHARGED WITH MISDEMEANOR ASSAULT AND 908 00:44:43,717 --> 00:44:44,851 BATTERY AND FELONY ABDUCTION >> I DIDN'T SEE HIM ACTUALLY 909 00:44:44,851 --> 00:44:45,985 TAKE HER AS SHE DESCRIBED. I SAW HIM DRAGGING HER UP THE 910 00:44:45,985 --> 00:44:46,953 STREET SO WANTED TO GET HIM FOR THE ABDUCTION. 911 00:44:46,953 --> 00:44:48,088 >> Reporter: BUT FOR THE ABDUCTION CHARGE TO STICK, MARTA 912 00:44:48,088 --> 00:44:54,594 HAD TO TESTIFY IN COURT. >> ON THE FEAR SCALE, MIKE, HERE 913 00:44:54,594 --> 00:44:56,463 AND HERE, HOW SCARED WAS SHE >> THIS WOMAN WAS OFF THE SCALE. 914 00:44:56,463 --> 00:44:57,630 SHE SHE TOLD ME, THIS MAN IS GOING TO KILL ME 915 00:44:57,630 --> 00:45:00,400 I'M AFRAID HE'S GOING TO KILL ME 916 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,702 >> Reporter: AND SHE WARNED THE DETECTIVE. 917 00:45:02,702 --> 00:45:09,476 >> SHE SAYS "YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE MY HUSBAND IS 918 00:45:09,476 --> 00:45:10,710 GOING TO KILL YOU HE SAID" >> YOU 919 00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:12,846 >> YEAH, ME. >> Reporter: ON THE DAY MARTA 920 00:45:12,846 --> 00:45:16,916 WAS DUE TO TESTIFY IN COURT AGAINST JOSE SHE DIDN'T SHOW UP. 921 00:45:16,916 --> 00:45:22,055 >> AND BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT SHE WASN'T THERE, THEY HAD A 922 00:45:22,055 --> 00:45:23,089 NOLLE PROSSED THE CASE >> IT MEANS IT WASN'T GOING TO 923 00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:24,357 GO FORWARD >> RIGHT 924 00:45:24,357 --> 00:45:26,793 THEY, THEY CAN'T GO FORWARD BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE 925 00:45:26,793 --> 00:45:30,330 COMPLAINING PERSON THERE >> Reporter: A WEEK AFTER SHE 926 00:45:30,330 --> 00:45:33,333 DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR THE COURT HEARING, MARTA CALLED HER SISTER 927 00:45:33,333 --> 00:45:36,302 NEIDA IN PUERTO RICO ONE OF NEIDA'S CHILDREN PICKED 928 00:45:36,302 --> 00:45:41,574 UP AND LATER TOLD HER THAT MARTA HAD BEEN IN TEARS. 929 00:45:41,574 --> 00:45:46,746 >> AND I SAID WELL, IF SHE WAS CRYING, SHE WANTED TO TELL ME 930 00:45:46,746 --> 00:45:47,947 SOMETHING. SHE'LL PROBABLY CALL AGAIN AND 931 00:45:47,947 --> 00:45:50,383 I'LL PICK UP >> Reporter: BUT MARTA DIDN'T 932 00:45:50,383 --> 00:45:53,086 CALL AGAIN AND NEIDA DIDN'T CALL HER BACK 933 00:45:53,086 --> 00:45:55,822 THAT DAY EITHER -- SOMETHING SHE'D REGRET FOR THE REST OF HER 934 00:45:55,822 --> 00:46:00,827 LIFE >> I FEEL SO GUILTY NOT KNOWING 935 00:46:00,827 --> 00:46:10,537 WHAT SHE WANTED TO SAY >> Reporter: THAT SAME DAY, MAY 936 00:46:10,537 --> 00:46:11,705 25th, 1989, DETECTIVE ORTIZ LEARNED FROM MARTA'S ROOMMATES 937 00:46:11,705 --> 00:46:12,939 THAT SHE'D LEFT HER APARTMENT FOR A SHIFT AT THE HOSPITAL. BUT 938 00:46:12,939 --> 00:46:14,107 SHE'D PLANNED TO QUIT HER JOB. >> Reporter: LATER THAT DAY, 939 00:46:14,107 --> 00:46:15,308 MARTA VANISHED A MISSING PERSONS REPORT WAS 940 00:46:15,308 --> 00:46:20,213 FILED SOON AFTER >> HER ROOMMATES SEE HER GOING 941 00:46:20,213 --> 00:46:21,648 TO WORK SHE MADE IT TO WORK. SHE HAD DAY SHIFT. 942 00:46:21,648 --> 00:46:23,483 >> AND THOSE ROOMMATES BECOME THE SOURCE OF THE MISSING 943 00:46:23,483 --> 00:46:26,820 PERSONS' FILING -- >> CORRECT 944 00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:28,555 BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T COME HOME AND THE QUESTION IS WHY? 945 00:46:28,555 --> 00:46:32,759 WHY WERE THEY WORRIED ABOUT THEIR ROOMMATE 946 00:46:32,759 --> 00:46:37,497 AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY KNEW WHAT SHE'D BEEN THROUGH WITH JOSE 947 00:46:37,497 --> 00:46:42,268 >> Reporter: JOSE WAS QUESTIONED BY POLICE BACK THEN BUT DENIED 948 00:46:42,268 --> 00:46:43,370 ANY KNOWLEDGE OF MARTA'S DISAPPEARANCE AND WHEREABOUTS. 949 00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:48,208 IN A RECORDED POLICE INTERVIEW HE TOLD THE DETECTIVES HE'D EVEN 950 00:46:48,208 --> 00:46:50,377 CALLED HER ROOMMATES LOOKING FOR HER. 951 00:46:50,377 --> 00:46:52,445 >> I'M WORRIED BECAUSE SHE HADN'T SHOWN UP. 952 00:46:52,445 --> 00:46:54,914 YOU KNOW, SHE HADN'T COME IN SHE HASN'T SHOWN UP. 953 00:46:54,914 --> 00:46:55,682 AND THEN I SAID, WELL, ARE YOU SURE 954 00:46:55,682 --> 00:46:57,584 YOU KNOW, SHE DIDN'T STAY SOMEWHERE? 955 00:46:57,584 --> 00:46:59,886 SHE'S PROBABLY AT WORK >> WHY DON'T YOU JUST TELL US 956 00:46:59,886 --> 00:47:02,022 WHERE SHE IS SO WE CAN RECOVER HER BODY 957 00:47:02,022 --> 00:47:06,126 >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S AT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE'S AT. 958 00:47:06,126 --> 00:47:11,664 IF I KNEW WHERE SHE WAS AT, I WOULD TELL YOU 959 00:47:11,664 --> 00:47:15,869 I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE'S AT. HE MIGHT NOT HAVE KNOWN -- 960 00:47:15,869 --> 00:47:17,070 BUT THE MYSTERY OF MARTA'S DISAPPEARANCE -- AND 961 00:47:17,070 --> 00:47:19,539 REAPPEARANCE -- WAS ABOUT TO UNFOLD 962 00:47:19,539 --> 00:47:22,909 >> COMING UP - MAYBE MARTA HAD NEVER BEEN 963 00:47:22,909 --> 00:47:27,380 MISSING. >> SHE SAYS, "YEAH, THIS IS MY 964 00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:28,448 ID. THIS IS WHO I AM." 965 00:47:28,448 --> 00:47:30,050 SHE'S ALIVE AND WELL OR -- MAYBE THERE WAS ANOTHER 966 00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:31,584 ANSWER >> THAT'S A HOLY COW MOMENT, 967 00:47:31,584 --> 00:47:50,070 HUH? >> Reporter: MARTA RODRIGUEZ'S 968 00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:53,273 SUDDEN DISAPPEARANCE FROM ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA, IN 1989 WAS 969 00:47:53,273 --> 00:47:56,109 A STARK REVELATION FOR DETECTIVES INVESTIGATING THE 970 00:47:56,109 --> 00:48:03,583 SUSPECTED HOMICIDE OF PAM BUTLER IN WASHINGTON, D.C 971 00:48:03,583 --> 00:48:06,019 SHE'D GONE MISSING IN 2009 DET. ROSA ORTIZ LEARNED THAT, AS 972 00:48:06,019 --> 00:48:10,123 IN PAM'S CASE, POLICE SEARCHING FOR MARTA HADN'T BEEN SURE WHERE 973 00:48:10,123 --> 00:48:11,091 TO LOOK. >> THEY KNEW SHE WAS MISSING 974 00:48:11,091 --> 00:48:12,559 FROM ARLINGTON THEY JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHERE SHE 975 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:20,867 HAD BEEN >> Reporter: IT WASN'T AS THOUGH 976 00:48:20,867 --> 00:48:21,935 THE COPS DIDN'T TRY. DETECTIVE RAY SPIVEY WORKED THE 977 00:48:21,935 --> 00:48:23,269 CASE AT THE TIME HE CIRCULATED FLYERS ABOUT MARTA 978 00:48:23,269 --> 00:48:25,071 HOPING TO TRIGGER SIGHTINGS OF HER NEAR ST. ELIZABETH'S 979 00:48:25,071 --> 00:48:34,881 HOSPITAL WHERE SHE WORKED. DID YOU CALL OUT DOGS AND ANY 980 00:48:34,881 --> 00:48:36,216 SPECIAL EQUIPMENT OR TEAMS >> D.C. HAD A SPECIALTY DOG, AND 981 00:48:36,216 --> 00:48:37,384 WE ARRANGED THROUGH D.C. TO SEARCH AN AREA OF THE GROUNDS. 982 00:48:37,384 --> 00:48:38,918 >> Reporter: DID THEY HIT ON ANYTHING 983 00:48:38,918 --> 00:48:41,921 >> NO. >> Reporter: MARTA'S SISTER 984 00:48:41,921 --> 00:48:44,891 NEIDA CAME TO SEARCH TOO BUT FOUND NO SIGN OF MARTA 985 00:48:44,891 --> 00:48:49,062 THE CASE, WHAT, JUST SORT OF DIED 986 00:48:49,062 --> 00:48:50,764 >> IT WAS MORE OR LESS A CLOSED CASE AFTER A YEAR. 987 00:48:50,764 --> 00:48:56,069 >> THEY RAN OUT OF WAYS TO GATHER EVIDENCE. 988 00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:58,104 THEY JUST CAME UP EMPTY HANDED >> Reporter: BUT IN 2017, AS 989 00:48:58,104 --> 00:49:00,540 DETECTIVES TRIED TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO MARTA BACK 990 00:49:00,540 --> 00:49:07,747 THEN, THEY TRACKED DOWN HER SON HANSEL, NOW IN HIS 30s 991 00:49:07,747 --> 00:49:09,015 >> I INTRODUCED MYSELF "HEY, I'M DETECTIVE FULTON." 992 00:49:09,015 --> 00:49:11,284 AND I JUST SAID, "HEY, YOU KNOW, I'M FOLLOWING UP ON SOME OLD 993 00:49:11,284 --> 00:49:12,619 MISSING PERSON CASES BY ANY CHANCE, DID YOU HAVE A 994 00:49:12,619 --> 00:49:14,320 MOTHER NAMED MARTA WHO WENT MISSING? 995 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:19,459 AND HE WAS LIKE, "YES! OH, MY GOD, YES! 996 00:49:19,459 --> 00:49:20,660 >> Reporter: HANSEL TOLD THE DETECTIVES HE DIDN'T KNOW 997 00:49:20,660 --> 00:49:23,530 EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, BUT RIGHT AFTER HIS MOM MARTA WENT 998 00:49:23,530 --> 00:49:27,067 MISSING, HIS FATHER JOSE TOLD HIM WHY SHE WAS GONE 999 00:49:27,067 --> 00:49:29,636 >> JOSE'S STORY WAS SHE HAD ALWAYS RAN OFF 1000 00:49:29,636 --> 00:49:32,072 THAT SHE HAD MET SOME DUDES, SOME DRUG GUYS, AND SHE HAD JUST 1001 00:49:32,072 --> 00:49:34,808 RAN OFF AND WAS NEVER TO BE SEEN BEFORE 1002 00:49:34,808 --> 00:49:37,043 THAT WAS HIS STORY >> Reporter: SO HANSEL GREW UP 1003 00:49:37,043 --> 00:49:39,045 UNDER A DARK CLOUD >> HE GREW UP THINKING HIS MOM 1004 00:49:39,045 --> 00:49:41,047 ABANDONED HIM. >> Reporter: BUT THERE WAS ONE 1005 00:49:41,047 --> 00:49:43,783 BIG PROBLEM WITH HANSEL'S STORY. THE DETECTIVES SEARCHING FOR HIS 1006 00:49:43,783 --> 00:49:47,721 MOM MARTA TURNED UP EVIDENCE THAT WOULD TOTALLY CONTRADICT 1007 00:49:47,721 --> 00:49:50,824 IT DOCUMENTS SHOWED THAT IN THE 1008 00:49:50,824 --> 00:49:55,328 YEAR 2000, MORE THAN 10 YEARS AFTER MARTA HAD DISAPPEARED FROM 1009 00:49:55,328 --> 00:49:59,065 ARLINGTON, A ROUTINE CHECK OF MISSING PERSONS BY VIRGINIA 1010 00:49:59,065 --> 00:50:02,402 POLICE TURNED UP -- GUESS WHAT MARTA RODRIGUEZ WAS ALIVE AND 1011 00:50:02,402 --> 00:50:04,671 LIVING IN FLORIDA. MAYBE SHE'D BEEN SO TERRIFIED OF 1012 00:50:04,671 --> 00:50:07,273 JOSE THAT SHE'D GONE INTO HIDING FAR AWAY FROM HIM. 1013 00:50:07,273 --> 00:50:12,145 NOT MISSING AT ALL >> NOT MISSING AT ALL. 1014 00:50:12,145 --> 00:50:13,480 >> Reporter: AT THE TIME, THE ARLINGTON MISSING PERSONS UNIT 1015 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,050 EVEN DISPATCHED AN OFFICER IN MIAMI TO CHECK IF IT WAS REALLY 1016 00:50:17,050 --> 00:50:19,185 HER. AND A WOMAN ANSWERED THE DOOR. 1017 00:50:19,185 --> 00:50:20,987 >> SHE SAYS, "YEAH, THIS IS MY I.D 1018 00:50:20,987 --> 00:50:22,489 THIS IS WHO I AM." SHE'S ALIVE AND WELL 1019 00:50:22,489 --> 00:50:24,657 >> Reporter: THERE'S MARTA >> YEAH. 1020 00:50:24,657 --> 00:50:27,093 >> AND THEY CALLED BACK TO VIRGINIA AND SAID, "HEY, SHE'S 1021 00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:30,630 HERE SHE'S LIVING IN FLORIDA. 1022 00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:32,932 AND THE CASE, YOU KNOW, JUST GOT FILED AWAY 1023 00:50:32,932 --> 00:50:37,070 >> Reporter: TRAGICALLY, MARTA'S FAMILY SAYS THEY REMAINED IN THE 1024 00:50:37,070 --> 00:50:42,308 DARK >> THEY SIMPLY CLOSED THE CASE 1025 00:50:42,308 --> 00:50:43,777 AND WE WEREN'T TOLD ANYTHING NOTHING. 1026 00:50:43,777 --> 00:50:47,480 SO MANY YEARS WENT BY AND NO ONE KNEW ANYTHING. 1027 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,183 >> Reporter: MARTA'S MOTHER DIED THINKING THAT MARTA FORGOT ALL 1028 00:50:50,183 --> 00:50:54,788 ABOUT HER, THAT SHE DIDN'T WANNA COMMUNICATE WITH HER 1029 00:50:54,788 --> 00:50:56,690 >> SO THEY THOUGHT SHE'D WALKED AWAY FROM FAMILY AND CHILD 1030 00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:58,725 >> YES >> Reporter: BUT IN 2017, THE 1031 00:50:58,725 --> 00:50:59,926 DETECTIVES LEARNING MORE ABOUT MARTA THOUGHT IT WAS UNLIKELY 1032 00:50:59,926 --> 00:51:03,630 SHE WOULD HAVE WALKED AWAY FROM HER FAMILY 1033 00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:05,665 SO THEY DID SOME DOUBLE CHECKING 1034 00:51:05,665 --> 00:51:12,172 THEY ALREADY HAD A PHOTO OF MARTA. 1035 00:51:12,172 --> 00:51:13,440 SO THEY DECIDED TO COMPARE THAT PHOTO TO A STATE I.D. PHOTO THEY 1036 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,308 ACCESSED OF THE WOMAN IN FLORIDA NAMED MARTA. 1037 00:51:15,308 --> 00:51:16,676 AND WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT >> IT WASN'T MARTA 1038 00:51:16,676 --> 00:51:18,078 >> Reporter: NO QUESTION >> NO QUESTION WHATSOEVER. 1039 00:51:18,078 --> 00:51:19,412 >> Reporter: THAT'S A HOLY COW MOMENT, HUH? 1040 00:51:19,412 --> 00:51:23,583 >> IT IS A HOLY COW MOMENT IT IS A HOLY COW MOMENT, YEAH. 1041 00:51:23,583 --> 00:51:27,554 >> Reporter: IT MEANT THAT MARTA RODRIGUEZ WAS, AFTER NEARLY 1042 00:51:27,554 --> 00:51:30,590 30 YEARS, STILL MISSING. DID YOU EVER SAY, "I'M GONNA 1043 00:51:30,590 --> 00:51:32,859 FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO YA"? >> I DID 1044 00:51:32,859 --> 00:51:37,897 I SAID, "I'M GONNA GIVE IT ALL I GOT. 1045 00:51:37,897 --> 00:51:40,200 AND, YOU KNOW, UNTIL SOMEBODY TELLS ME TO STOP OR I RETIRE, 1046 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:46,106 I'M NOT GONNA GIVE UP. >> Reporter: THE FIRST QUESTION 1047 00:51:46,106 --> 00:51:50,810 THE DETECTIVE WANTED ANSWERED WAS, WHO WAS THE WOMAN LIVING IN 1048 00:51:50,810 --> 00:51:53,947 FLORIDA POSING AS MARTA? SO IS THIS A WHOLE 'NOTHER 1049 00:51:53,947 --> 00:51:56,182 INVESTIGATION OFF TO THE SIDE NOW OF HOW DID THIS WOMAN GET 1050 00:51:56,182 --> 00:51:58,018 THE DOCUMENTATION THAT ALLOWED HER TO POSE AS MARTA 1051 00:51:58,018 --> 00:52:00,854 >> I PERSONALLY FOUND HER. >> Reporter: THE WOMAN CLAIMING 1052 00:52:00,854 --> 00:52:02,288 TO BE MARTA. >> YES 1053 00:52:02,288 --> 00:52:04,624 >> Reporter: SHE'S LIVING IN FLORIDA. 1054 00:52:04,624 --> 00:52:06,459 >> SHE'S LIVING IN FLORIDA UM, VERY SELDOM DO YOU GET A 1055 00:52:06,459 --> 00:52:08,628 CONFESSION OVER THE PHONE. IT'S NOT AS EASY AS PEOPLE THINK 1056 00:52:08,628 --> 00:52:11,965 IT IS. BUT SHE CONFESSED. 1057 00:52:11,965 --> 00:52:13,166 >> Reporter: AS THE DETECTIVE UNTANGLED THE COMPLEX STORY OF 1058 00:52:13,166 --> 00:52:17,203 MARTA RODRIGUEZ, SHE WAS STUNNED WHEN SHE LEARNED THE WOMAN'S 1059 00:52:17,203 --> 00:52:19,639 TRUE IDENTITY. >>> COMING UP -- 1060 00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:21,141 >> JOSE SAID, "HEY, TAKE MARTA'S INFORMATION. 1061 00:52:21,141 --> 00:52:24,110 HERE'S HER DATE OF BIRTH HERE'S HER SOCIAL SECURITY 1062 00:52:24,110 --> 00:52:28,081 NUMBER." >> A TRAIL OF DECEIT, LEADING TO 1063 00:52:28,081 --> 00:52:29,149 DEATH. >> SHE'S NOT GONNA NEED 'EM 1064 00:52:29,149 --> 00:52:31,084 ANYMORE. >> Reporter: DID HE ACTUALLY SAY 1065 00:52:31,084 --> 00:52:49,869 THAT >> 1066 00:52:49,869 --> 00:52:51,504 >> Reporter: EARLY IN 2017, DETECTIVES TRYING TO CRACK THE 1067 00:52:51,504 --> 00:52:54,641 PAM BUTLER CASE GOT A BREAK AS THEY INVESTIGATED PAM'S 1068 00:52:54,641 --> 00:52:58,311 BOYFRIEND JOSE THEY KNEW JOSE'S FIRST WIFE 1069 00:52:58,311 --> 00:53:01,581 MARTA HAD DISAPPEARED FROM ARLINGTON IN 1989. 1070 00:53:01,581 --> 00:53:04,284 AND NOW THEY'D DISCOVERED A WOMAN HAD BEEN LIVING AS MARTA 1071 00:53:04,284 --> 00:53:12,192 IN FLORIDA FOR NEARLY TWO DECADES. 1072 00:53:12,192 --> 00:53:13,293 DETECTIVE ORTIZ WAS ABOUT TO FIND OUT WHO SHE WAS AFTER 1073 00:53:13,293 --> 00:53:14,561 FERRETING OUT A PHONE NUMBER AND CALLING HER. 1074 00:53:14,561 --> 00:53:16,396 >> SHE CRIED ON THE PHONE CALL BUT SHE CONFESSED. 1075 00:53:16,396 --> 00:53:18,064 SHE CONFESSED THAT IT WAS HER WHO USED SOMEBODY ELSE'S 1076 00:53:18,064 --> 00:53:21,134 INFORMATION TO GET AN I.D. >> Translator: BUT GET THIS. 1077 00:53:21,134 --> 00:53:24,137 THE WOMAN WHO SAID SHE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT MARTA'S DISAPPEARANCE 1078 00:53:24,137 --> 00:53:26,172 TURNED OUT TO BE JOSE'S SISTER-IN-LAW. 1079 00:53:26,172 --> 00:53:27,173 >> SO JOSE SAID, "HEY, TAKE MARTA'S INFORMATION. 1080 00:53:27,173 --> 00:53:30,110 HERE'S HER DATE OF BIRTH HERE'S HER SOCIAL SECURITY 1081 00:53:30,110 --> 00:53:31,911 NUMBER." >> Reporter: SHE'S NOT GONNA 1082 00:53:31,911 --> 00:53:33,179 NEED 'EM ANYMORE >> SHE'S NOT GONNA NEED 'EM 1083 00:53:33,179 --> 00:53:34,214 ANYMORE. >> Reporter: DID HE ACTUALLY SAY 1084 00:53:34,214 --> 00:53:37,350 THAT >> EXACTLY 1085 00:53:37,350 --> 00:53:40,186 "SHE'S NOT GOT GONNA NEED 'EM. >> Reporter: AFTER ALL THAT 1086 00:53:40,186 --> 00:53:43,990 CONFUSION AND DECEPTION, IT TURNED OUT MARTA RODRIGUEZ, LIKE 1087 00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:46,326 PAM BUTLER, WAS STILL APPARENTLY MISSING. 1088 00:53:46,326 --> 00:53:48,628 THE DETECTIVE WAS SURE JOSE WAS IN SOME WAY RESPONSIBLE. 1089 00:53:48,628 --> 00:53:51,865 >> SO I REMEMBER GOIN' DOWN TO MY -- IN MY BOSS'S OFFICE AND 1090 00:53:51,865 --> 00:53:54,467 PLOPPIN' DOWN IN HIS CHAIR AND I'M LIKE, "DUDE, HE WAS 1091 00:53:54,467 --> 00:53:57,337 MARRIED BEFORE, AND HIS WIFE IS MISSING. 1092 00:53:57,337 --> 00:54:03,743 AND IT WAS LIKE, "WHAT IF HE KILLED HIS FIRST WIFE? 1093 00:54:03,743 --> 00:54:04,944 >> Reporter: IS THIS THE BIG LIGHT BULB MOMENT, THE BIG 1094 00:54:04,944 --> 00:54:06,312 INSIGHT IN THE CASE? >> I THINK SO. 1095 00:54:06,312 --> 00:54:07,814 >> Reporter: A PATTERN WAS EMERGING, STORY AFTER STORY. 1096 00:54:07,814 --> 00:54:11,618 LIKE THAT OF JOSE'S SECOND WIFE, GUADALUPE. 1097 00:54:11,618 --> 00:54:13,653 >> THE DETECTIVES WERE NEVER ABLE TO LOCATE HER 1098 00:54:13,653 --> 00:54:15,855 WELL, THE REASON WHY THEY WERE NEVER -- NEVER ABLE TO LOCATE 1099 00:54:15,855 --> 00:54:18,158 HER WAS BECAUSE SHE WENT INTO HIDING 1100 00:54:18,158 --> 00:54:20,460 >> Reporter: GUADALUPE -- A THIRD WOMAN IN JOSE'S LIFE TO GO 1101 00:54:20,460 --> 00:54:23,863 MISSING. >> SHE DID THE WHOLE UNDERGROUND 1102 00:54:23,863 --> 00:54:26,599 SORT OF RAILROAD SYSTEM AND OVER THE YEARS HAD RELOCATED TWO OR 1103 00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:28,768 THREE DIFFERENT TIMES BECAUSE JOSE WAS ABLE TO LOCATE HER. 1104 00:54:28,768 --> 00:54:32,405 SO SHE WOULD GO SOMEPLACE ELSE SO SHE WAS TOTALLY OFF THE GRID. 1105 00:54:32,405 --> 00:54:35,108 SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY DETECTIVES HAD A HARD TIME 1106 00:54:35,108 --> 00:54:37,077 FINDING HER. >> Reporter: BUT EVENTUALLY, BY 1107 00:54:37,077 --> 00:54:40,447 CROSS-REFERENCING HER NAME IN DATABASES, DETECTIVES WERE ABLE 1108 00:54:40,447 --> 00:54:44,084 TO TRACK DOWN GUADALUPE. >> WE WERE ABLE TO INTERVIEW 1109 00:54:44,084 --> 00:54:48,788 HER. AND THEN THE STORY SHE TELLS, WE 1110 00:54:48,788 --> 00:54:50,423 WERE LIKE, "OH, WAIT A SECOND. >> Reporter: WHAT'D HER MAIN 1111 00:54:50,423 --> 00:54:51,758 STORY TURN OUT TO BE >> THAT HE WAS ABUSIVE 1112 00:54:51,758 --> 00:54:57,497 THAT, "I WAS AFRAID HE WAS GONNA KILL ME. 1113 00:54:57,497 --> 00:54:58,631 >> Reporter: GUADALUPE'S DRAMATIC STORY WAS BACKED UP BY 1114 00:54:58,631 --> 00:54:59,833 HANSEL, WHO MOVED IN WITH HIS FATHER AND GUADALUPE AFTER HIS 1115 00:54:59,833 --> 00:55:00,734 MOTHER DISAPPEARED >> HANSEL HAD FIRST-HAND 1116 00:55:00,734 --> 00:55:05,538 KNOWLEDGE OF THE ABUSE THAT GUADALUPE WENT THROUGH 1117 00:55:05,538 --> 00:55:06,806 HE SAW IT AS A CHILD >> HANSEL HAD DESCRIBED AN 1118 00:55:06,806 --> 00:55:08,808 INCIDENT WHERE SHE WAS DOWNSTAIRS BEGGIN' FOR HER LIFE. 1119 00:55:08,808 --> 00:55:15,348 AND HE COULD HEAR JOSE YELLING AT HER, SCREAMING AT HER, "I'M 1120 00:55:15,348 --> 00:55:17,250 GONNA KILL YOU." >> Reporter: HE SAW HIS FATHER 1121 00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:19,719 PUT A GUN TO HER HEAD. >> YES, HE WITNESSED JOSE PUT A 1122 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,621 GUN TO GUADALUPE'S HEAD. HE SAYS, "I COME DOWNSTAIRS. 1123 00:55:21,621 --> 00:55:23,056 I SEE MY FATHER IS JUST IN A RAGE 1124 00:55:23,056 --> 00:55:25,291 AND I'M THINKING, 'OH, MY GOD, HE'S GONNA KILL HER, AND HE'S 1125 00:55:25,291 --> 00:55:27,894 GONNA KILL ME.'" AND HE'S, LIKE, 10 OR 11 AT THE 1126 00:55:27,894 --> 00:55:29,796 TIME >> Reporter: DETECTIVE, IS THIS, 1127 00:55:29,796 --> 00:55:31,731 LIKE, ARTICLE NUMBER ONE IN "LET ME TELL YOU WHAT KIND OF A GUY 1128 00:55:31,731 --> 00:55:34,567 JOSE IS" >> EXACTLY 1129 00:55:34,567 --> 00:55:35,902 >> Reporter: BUT THE DETECTIVES WERE MORE ALARMED WHEN THEY 1130 00:55:35,902 --> 00:55:39,606 DISCOVERED YET ANOTHER VIOLENT RELATIONSHIP 1131 00:55:39,606 --> 00:55:42,609 JOSE HAD BEEN RUNNING A FLEA MARKET STALL WITH A WOMAN WHO 1132 00:55:42,609 --> 00:55:46,680 HAD A YOUNG CHILD. HE APPARENTLY WANTED MORE THAN A 1133 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,416 BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP. >> HE CALLED HER TO MEET HIM, 1134 00:55:49,416 --> 00:55:53,219 AND HE TOOK THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ABDUCT HER AT GUNPOINT 1135 00:55:53,219 --> 00:55:56,356 >> JOSE, YOU KNOW, BECAME VERY AGGRESSIVE AND VERY ABUSIVE AND 1136 00:55:56,356 --> 00:55:59,759 ENDED UP FORCING HER TO HAVE SEX, ENDED UP RAPING HER 1137 00:55:59,759 --> 00:56:02,195 ENDS UP TYING HER UP AND THREATENIN' TO KILL HER. 1138 00:56:02,195 --> 00:56:05,065 THREATENIN' TO KILL THE KID. "IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT I SAY, I'M 1139 00:56:05,065 --> 00:56:09,169 GONNA KILL THE KID." >> HE HAD THEM BOTH AGAINST 1140 00:56:09,169 --> 00:56:12,138 THEIR WILL IN THE BASEMENT OF THIS HOUSE 1141 00:56:12,138 --> 00:56:13,273 WHEN SHE FINALLY SEES THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEAVE, SHE ARMS 1142 00:56:13,273 --> 00:56:17,310 HERSELF WITH A KNIFE >> HE'S GOT A GUN IN HIS HAND, 1143 00:56:17,310 --> 00:56:19,479 GRABS HER. THERE'S A STRUGGLE 1144 00:56:19,479 --> 00:56:20,780 SHE STABS HIM. THERE'S A NEIGHBOR UPSTAIRS WHO 1145 00:56:20,780 --> 00:56:23,283 COMES RUNNING DOWN SHE'S SCREAMING, "HELP ME, HELP 1146 00:56:23,283 --> 00:56:27,053 ME HE'S KIDNAPPED ME! 1147 00:56:27,053 --> 00:56:28,321 YOU KNOW, "CALL THE POLICE." >> Reporter: BUT WHEN THE POLICE 1148 00:56:28,321 --> 00:56:29,422 ARRIVED, THE TABLES TURNED HE'S BLOODY AND SHE'S GOT A 1149 00:56:29,422 --> 00:56:31,725 KNIFE IN HER HAND. RIGHT? 1150 00:56:31,725 --> 00:56:34,627 >> EXACTLY AND HE'S SAYIN', "LOOK, SHE'S -- 1151 00:56:34,627 --> 00:56:36,229 THIS A DOMESTIC. SHE GOT MAD. 1152 00:56:36,229 --> 00:56:40,066 SHE STABBED ME." SHE'S TRYING TO EXPLAIN, BUT HER 1153 00:56:40,066 --> 00:56:43,303 ENGLISH ISN'T GOOD >> ALL THE POLICE COULD SEE WAS 1154 00:56:43,303 --> 00:56:46,706 THAT SHE STABBED HIM BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT SHE 1155 00:56:46,706 --> 00:56:50,143 STABBED HIM IN AN EFFORT TO GET AWAY FROM HIM, WITH HER CHILD. 1156 00:56:50,143 --> 00:56:52,078 >> SO SHE ULTIMATELY ENDS UP GETTING LOCKED UP. 1157 00:56:52,078 --> 00:56:54,080 >> Reporter: HOWEVER, THE POLICE DID CHECK OUT HER STORY. 1158 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,416 >> AND THEY GO BACK TO THE HOUSE AND ARE ABLE TO FIND DUCT TAPE 1159 00:56:56,416 --> 00:56:58,585 IN THE TRASH CAN SO, YOU KNOW, THE CASE ENDS UP 1160 00:56:58,585 --> 00:57:00,620 GETTIN' DISMISSED AGAINST HER. >> Reporter: JOSE DIDN'T GET 1161 00:57:00,620 --> 00:57:03,623 CHARGED. BUT THE DETECTIVES WERE SURE 1162 00:57:03,623 --> 00:57:07,427 THEY HAD HIS NUMBER. >> HE'S A VIOLENT MAN. 1163 00:57:07,427 --> 00:57:13,433 HE HAS A PROBLEM WITH WOMEN. HE HAS A PROBLEM CONTROLLING HIS 1164 00:57:13,433 --> 00:57:14,567 ANGER. >> Reporter: DETECTIVE FULTON 1165 00:57:14,567 --> 00:57:15,669 CONCLUDED JOSE'S ANGER AND ALLEGED VIOLENCE HAD LED TO 1166 00:57:15,669 --> 00:57:17,504 MURDER SO HE DECIDED TO ARREST HIM FOR 1167 00:57:17,504 --> 00:57:20,507 KILLING PAM BUTLER BUT UNTIL THEN, HE COULDN'T TELL 1168 00:57:20,507 --> 00:57:26,746 DERRICK, WHO WAS STILL LIVING UNDER A CLOUD OF SUSPICION 1169 00:57:26,746 --> 00:57:29,215 >> HE WALKED AROUND FOR EIGHT YEARS THINKING THAT PEOPLE ARE 1170 00:57:29,215 --> 00:57:31,117 LOOKING AT HIM LIKE HE KILLED HIS SISTER 1171 00:57:31,117 --> 00:57:32,118 I MEAN, THAT'S -- THAT'S A HARD THING TO SWALLOW 1172 00:57:32,118 --> 00:57:34,120 >> Reporter: AND YOU CAN'T TELL HIM THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN ON 1173 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,589 JOSE >> RIGHT 1174 00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:39,059 I CAN'T TELL HIM EVERYTHING I HAVE 1175 00:57:39,059 --> 00:57:48,835 I CAN'T TELL HIM, "DUDE, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT 1176 00:57:48,835 --> 00:57:52,772 I KNOW YOU DIDN'T DO IT. >> Reporter: IN APRIL 2017, TWO 1177 00:57:52,772 --> 00:57:54,841 EXPERIENCED D.C. PROSECUTORS TOOK THE PAM BUTLER CASE 1178 00:57:54,841 --> 00:57:56,543 FORMER MILITARY PROSECUTOR GLENN KIRSCHNER, NOW AN NBC NEWS 1179 00:57:56,543 --> 00:57:58,244 AND MSNBC LEGAL ANALYST, AND DEBORAH SINES. 1180 00:57:58,244 --> 00:57:59,612 >> SHE IS A CHARACTER, TO SAY THE LEAST. 1181 00:57:59,612 --> 00:58:00,814 >> Reporter: BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO FACE EITHER ONE OF 1182 00:58:00,814 --> 00:58:02,315 'EM IN COURT >> NO. 1183 00:58:02,315 --> 00:58:04,884 THEY ARE WHAT WE CALL HEAVY HITTERS. 1184 00:58:04,884 --> 00:58:08,822 >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTORS WERE JUST LEARNING ABOUT JOSE'S 1185 00:58:08,822 --> 00:58:11,891 ALLEGED HISTORY OF VIOLENCE. >> WE HAVE HIM VISITING 1186 00:58:11,891 --> 00:58:15,228 VIOLENCE, BAD VIOLENCE, AGAINST BOTH WIVES 1187 00:58:15,228 --> 00:58:18,498 >> WE HAVE WIFE NUMBER ONE MISSING, AND WIFE NUMBER TWO HAD 1188 00:58:18,498 --> 00:58:22,435 A GUN TO HER HEAD BEGGING FOR HER LIFE 1189 00:58:22,435 --> 00:58:25,438 WE NOW HAVE PAM BUTLER MISSING BUT WHEN WE REALIZED JOSE IS NOW 1190 00:58:25,438 --> 00:58:27,741 HOOKED UP WITH ANOTHER YOUNG LADY WHO HAS A YOUNG DAUGHTER 1191 00:58:27,741 --> 00:58:29,609 HERSELF, WE DECIDED WE HAD TO SEEK AN ARREST WARRANT FOR JOSE. 1192 00:58:29,609 --> 00:58:31,678 >> Reporter: THERE'S URGENCY TO GET HIM ON ICE, RIGHT? 1193 00:58:31,678 --> 00:58:37,751 >> FOR SURE. FOR SURE 1194 00:58:37,751 --> 00:58:40,954 >>> COMING UP IS DERRICK STILL A SUSPECT 1195 00:58:40,954 --> 00:58:43,423 >> I SAID, "OH, LORD." I'M THINKIN' THAT THEY HAD COME 1196 00:58:43,423 --> 00:59:04,577 TO LOCK ME UP AT 3:00 IN THE >> Reporter: IN APRIL 2017, 1197 00:59:04,577 --> 00:59:07,414 DETECTIVES WERE PREPARING TO ARREST JOSE RODRIGUEZ-CRUZ FOR 1198 00:59:07,414 --> 00:59:11,217 THE MURDER OF PAM BUTLER PAM BUTLER'S BROTHER, DERRICK, 1199 00:59:11,217 --> 00:59:13,019 KNEW NOTHING OF WHAT WAS GOING ON 1200 00:59:13,019 --> 00:59:16,389 HE HIMSELF WAS STILL LIVING IN FEAR OF BEING ARRESTED FOR HIS 1201 00:59:16,389 --> 00:59:21,394 SISTER'S MURDER WHEN, EARLY ONE MORNING, 3:00 A.M., HE GOT A 1202 00:59:21,394 --> 00:59:22,529 CALL FROM DETECTIVE FULTON >> I SAID, "OH, LORD." 1203 00:59:22,529 --> 00:59:24,364 I'M THINKING THAT THEY HAD COME TO LOCK ME UP AT 3:00 IN THE 1204 00:59:24,364 --> 00:59:26,266 MORNING. >> Reporter: KNOCK, KNOCK, COME 1205 00:59:26,266 --> 00:59:27,367 ALONG. >> YEAH. 1206 00:59:27,367 --> 00:59:29,769 HE SAYS, "THIS IS DETECTIVE FULTON." 1207 00:59:29,769 --> 00:59:34,040 AND I SAY, "YEAH, WHAT'S GOING ON?" 1208 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:47,053 AND HE SAID, "I LOCKED HIS ASS UP." 1209 00:59:47,053 --> 00:59:48,254 AND THEN IT WAS THE BEST FEELING THAT I'D EVER GOTTEN IN MY LIFE. 1210 00:59:48,254 --> 00:59:49,422 >> Reporter: JOSE HAD BEEN ARRESTED, AND THAT MEANT DERRICK 1211 00:59:49,422 --> 00:59:50,290 WAS IN THE CLEAR DID YOU THINK HE DID IT? 1212 00:59:50,290 --> 00:59:55,495 EVER >> HELL, NO. 1213 00:59:55,495 --> 00:59:56,496 NO >> Reporter: DERRICK WAS CLEAN 1214 00:59:56,496 --> 00:59:57,330 >> DERRICK WAS CLEAN CLEAN AS A WHISTLE 1215 00:59:57,330 --> 00:59:58,598 >> Reporter: A FEW HOURS LATER, PAM BUTLER'S FRIEND, RITA, HEARD 1216 00:59:58,598 --> 00:59:59,499 THE NEWS OF JOSE'S ARREST. >> I JUST CRIED. 1217 00:59:59,499 --> 01:00:00,667 I SAT IN MY OFFICE AND CRIED THAT THIS HAD FINALLY HAPPENED 1218 01:00:00,667 --> 01:00:02,068 >> Reporter: BUT JOSE CONTINUED TO SAY HE WAS INNOCENT 1219 01:00:02,068 --> 01:00:05,905 >> HE'S UNDER ARREST VERY CALM, VERY RELAXED. 1220 01:00:05,905 --> 01:00:07,807 AND HE'S JUST, "HEY, I DIDN'T KILL PAM." 1221 01:00:07,807 --> 01:00:09,409 >> Reporter: BUT YOU KNEW HE WAS YOUR GUY 1222 01:00:09,409 --> 01:00:15,949 >> WE KNEW HE WAS THE GUY. YEAH 1223 01:00:15,949 --> 01:00:17,951 WE HAVE HIM BEING THE LAST PERSON SEEN WITH PAM 1224 01:00:17,951 --> 01:00:19,986 WE HAVE HIS FIRST WIFE, MARTA, WHO'S DISAPPEARED OFF THE FACE 1225 01:00:19,986 --> 01:00:24,891 OF THE EARTH WE HAVE HIS SECOND WIFE WHO 1226 01:00:24,891 --> 01:00:30,563 TELLS US SHE WAS BEATEN, THREATENED 1227 01:00:30,563 --> 01:00:31,631 WE HAVE JOSE GIVING HIS SECOND WIFE'S SISTER MARTA'S 1228 01:00:31,631 --> 01:00:32,599 INFORMATION AND SAID, "SHE'S NOT GONNA NEED IT. 1229 01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:37,370 SO YOU TAKE ALL OF THESE THINGS AND YOU PUT IT TOGETHER. 1230 01:00:37,370 --> 01:00:39,272 AND IT'S JOSE KILLED PAM NO IF-AND-BUTS ABOUT IT. 1231 01:00:39,272 --> 01:00:42,242 HE KILLED HER. >> Reporter: EVEN THOUGH 1232 01:00:42,242 --> 01:00:46,813 PAMELA BUTLER'S BODY HAD NOT BEEN FOUND IN THE EIGHT YEARS 1233 01:00:46,813 --> 01:00:48,314 AFTER SHE'D VANISHED FROM HER WASHINGTON, DC HOME, 1234 01:00:48,314 --> 01:00:50,083 JOSE RODRIGUEZ-CRUZ WAS CHARGED WITH HER FIRST-DEGREE MURDER, 1235 01:00:50,083 --> 01:00:55,355 AND POTENTIALLY FACED LIFE IN PRISON 1236 01:00:55,355 --> 01:00:57,524 >> THAT'S WHEN JOSE REALIZED HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH HOPE OF 1237 01:00:57,524 --> 01:01:00,660 BEATING THIS BUT HE DID HAVE ONE CARD TO 1238 01:01:00,660 --> 01:01:04,064 PLAY AND THAT WAS WHERE HE'D DISPOSED 1239 01:01:04,064 --> 01:01:07,434 OF PAM'S REMAINS >> Reporter: THAT LEVERAGE 1240 01:01:07,434 --> 01:01:10,136 BECAME THE BASIS OF A PLEA DEAL, A LESSER, SECOND-DEGREE MURDER 1241 01:01:10,136 --> 01:01:13,940 CHARGE FOR JOSE CARRYING A 12-YEAR SENTENCE, IF HE GAVE UP 1242 01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:17,310 WHERE PAM'S BODY WAS AND TOLD HOW IT GOT THERE 1243 01:01:17,310 --> 01:01:27,320 >> HE IS SUPPOSED TO TELL ME HOW HE KILLED PAM. 1244 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,390 >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTOR STARED DOWN JOSE AS HE STALLED 1245 01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:31,491 >> I'M ASKING THE QUESTIONS AND JOSE WON'T LOOK AT ME. 1246 01:01:31,491 --> 01:01:33,993 AND I'M GETTING ANNOYED. AND I FINALLY GO, "LOOK AT ME! 1247 01:01:33,993 --> 01:01:39,532 AND HE STARTS SHAKING. HIS EYES BULGE OUT 1248 01:01:39,532 --> 01:01:43,603 AND HE STARTS SWEATING PROFUSELY. 1249 01:01:43,603 --> 01:01:45,972 >> Reporter: JOSE STARTED SPILLING HIS GUTS ABOUT PAM, AND 1250 01:01:45,972 --> 01:01:51,244 WHAT HAPPENED IN HER BASEMENT THE DAY BEFORE VALENTINE'S DAY 1251 01:01:51,244 --> 01:01:53,513 2009 >> HE SAYS THAT SHE GOT ANGRY 1252 01:01:53,513 --> 01:01:55,915 WITH HIM AND SAID, "WHY AM I WORKING? 1253 01:01:55,915 --> 01:01:58,752 YOU'RE OVER HERE WATCHING TV I'M WORKING. 1254 01:01:58,752 --> 01:02:00,587 WHY HAVEN'T YOU GOTTEN A BETTER JOB? 1255 01:02:00,587 --> 01:02:05,058 YOU'RE NOT A MAN YOU'LL NEVER BE A MAN. 1256 01:02:05,058 --> 01:02:08,228 AND HE LOOKED AT ME AND HE SAID, "SHE CALLED ME." 1257 01:02:08,228 --> 01:02:13,533 AND HE SAID A BAD NAME >> Reporter: YOU CAN SAY IT. 1258 01:02:13,533 --> 01:02:16,236 WE'LL BLEEP IT >> A [ BLEEP ] 1259 01:02:16,236 --> 01:02:19,506 SO I PUNCHED HER AND I MUST'VE BLACKED OUT 'CAUSE 1260 01:02:19,506 --> 01:02:21,107 WHEN I CAME TO, SHE WAS GONE >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTOR WAS 1261 01:02:21,107 --> 01:02:24,778 HAVING NONE OF JOSE'S BLACKOUT STORY. 1262 01:02:24,778 --> 01:02:28,581 >> HE APOLOGIZES AND THEN HE TELLS ME HE DIDN'T BLACK OUT AT 1263 01:02:28,581 --> 01:02:33,720 ALL. AND HE SAYS HE STRANGLED HER TO 1264 01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,357 DEATH. >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTORS HAD 1265 01:02:37,357 --> 01:02:41,161 AT LAST GOTTEN A CONFESSION. AND THEN, FINALLY, JOSE REVEALED 1266 01:02:41,161 --> 01:02:42,996 THE BIGGEST MYSTERY OF THE CASE, HOW HE GOT PAM'S BODY OUT OF THE 1267 01:02:42,996 --> 01:02:46,466 HOUSE. REMEMBER THAT WINDOW SHADE PAM'S 1268 01:02:46,466 --> 01:02:49,669 FAMILY HAD NOTICED WAS RAISED FROM THE BOTTOM, SOMETHING PAM 1269 01:02:49,669 --> 01:02:54,441 NEVER DID? JOSE PUT PAM'S LIMP BODY IN A 1270 01:02:54,441 --> 01:02:58,211 BLACK PLASTIC TRASH BAG, RAISED THE SHADE FROM THE BOTTOM, AND 1271 01:02:58,211 --> 01:03:00,447 UNDER THE COVER OF DARKNESS, DROPPED HER OUT OF THE DINING 1272 01:03:00,447 --> 01:03:03,616 ROOM WINDOW, A WINDOW HE KNEW WASN'T COVERED BY PAM'S SECURITY 1273 01:03:03,616 --> 01:03:07,954 CAMERAS. HE TOLD YOU THE STORY? 1274 01:03:07,954 --> 01:03:10,824 >> SURE DID. >> Reporter: JOSE THEN DESCRIBED 1275 01:03:10,824 --> 01:03:11,858 DRIVING PAM'S BODY AWAY IN THE BACK SEAT OF HIS CAR 1276 01:03:11,858 --> 01:03:15,662 IT'S DIFFICULT TO THINK OF HIS HANDS ON HER 1277 01:03:15,662 --> 01:03:18,064 >> YES THE THING THAT HAUNTS ME IS THAT 1278 01:03:18,064 --> 01:03:20,867 TERRIFYING MINUTE OR TWO MINUTES THAT IT TOOK FOR HIM TO CHOKE 1279 01:03:20,867 --> 01:03:23,069 HER. >> Reporter: ALL PAM'S FAMILY 1280 01:03:23,069 --> 01:03:27,107 WANTED WAS TO RESTORE SOME DIGNITY. 1281 01:03:27,107 --> 01:03:30,343 >> THEY SAID, "YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY CARE HOW MUCH TIME 1282 01:03:30,343 --> 01:03:32,645 JOSE RODRIGUEZ-CRUZ GETS IN JAIL 1283 01:03:32,645 --> 01:03:35,782 US WHERE PAM'S REMAINS ARE BECAUSE WE WANNA GIVE HER A 1284 01:03:35,782 --> 01:03:38,885 PROPER BURIAL. >> Reporter: USING A MAP, JOSE 1285 01:03:38,885 --> 01:03:44,758 MARKED THE PLACE WHERE HE SAID HE'D BURIED PAM'S BODY, IN THE 1286 01:03:44,758 --> 01:03:47,227 DENSELY WOODED MEDIAN OF I-95 IN VIRGINIA 1287 01:03:47,227 --> 01:03:51,097 THAT'S WHERE THIS BRIGHT BELOVED WOMAN HAD ENDED UP, IN A SHALLOW 1288 01:03:51,097 --> 01:03:52,232 GRAVE BETWEEN THE NORTH AND SOUTH BOUND LANES OF ONE OF THE 1289 01:03:52,232 --> 01:03:56,336 BUSIEST STRETCHES OF INTERSTATE IN THE COUNTRY 1290 01:03:56,336 --> 01:03:58,004 SO DETECTIVE, HERE WERE ARE IN THE MEDIAN OF THE I-95 1291 01:03:58,004 --> 01:03:59,706 THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WASHINGTON 1292 01:03:59,706 --> 01:04:00,874 THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, HAVE NO IDEA 1293 01:04:00,874 --> 01:04:03,510 WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE >> ABSOLUTELY. 1294 01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:05,679 AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY HE GOT AWAY WITH IT FOR SO LONG 1295 01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:09,315 NOBODY WOULD HAVE THOUGHT TO STOP HERE. 1296 01:04:09,315 --> 01:04:11,051 >> HE BURIED PAMELA BUTLER >> Reporter: BUT RECOVERING HER 1297 01:04:11,051 --> 01:04:14,621 REMAINS WAS ANOTHER SAD CHAPTER ALTOGETHER 1298 01:04:14,621 --> 01:04:18,825 THE MEDIAN WHERE JOSE SAID HE BURIED PAM HAD SINCE BEEN PAVED 1299 01:04:18,825 --> 01:04:22,629 OVER TO CREATE HOV LANES SO PAM'S BODY, UNDER TONS OF 1300 01:04:22,629 --> 01:04:26,700 CONCRETE, NEVER WAS RECOVERED. WHAT DID THIS MAN DO TO YOUR 1301 01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:29,569 FAMILY >> HE TOOK A LOT AWAY FROM US. 1302 01:04:29,569 --> 01:04:36,576 HE TOOK EVERYTHING OUT OF ME >> Reporter: AS FOR JOSE, HE WAS 1303 01:04:36,576 --> 01:04:39,079 SENT TO PRISON BUT, WITH GOOD BEHAVIOR, HE WOULD LIKELY END UP 1304 01:04:39,079 --> 01:04:41,981 SERVING A GOOD DEAL LESS THAN HIS 12 YEAR SENTENCE FOR 1305 01:04:41,981 --> 01:04:44,818 MURDERING PAM. AND THAT GNAWED AT 1306 01:04:44,818 --> 01:04:50,123 DERRICK BUTLER HE FELT JOSE HAD CHEATED HIM 1307 01:04:50,123 --> 01:04:54,094 >> I THINK HE KNEW THAT THERE WAS NO CHANCE OF EVER FINDING 1308 01:04:54,094 --> 01:04:55,295 THE BODY >> Reporter: SO WHAT ARE YOU 1309 01:04:55,295 --> 01:04:56,696 THINKING WE'VE GOT TO EXTEND THE 1310 01:04:56,696 --> 01:04:57,997 SENTENCE >> EXACTLY 1311 01:04:57,997 --> 01:05:00,467 >> Reporter: AS IT HAPPENED, DERRICK WOULD GET HIS CHANCE 1312 01:05:00,467 --> 01:05:04,371 BECAUSE WHEN JOSE TOLD INVESTIGATORS THE LOCATION OF 1313 01:05:04,371 --> 01:05:08,174 PAM BUTLER'S REMAINS IN THE MEDIAN OF INTERSTATE 95 THAT 1314 01:05:08,174 --> 01:05:10,610 JOGGED A DISTANT MEMORY OVER IN VIRGINIA 1315 01:05:10,610 --> 01:05:16,316 >> WHEN THEY WERE ON THE SCENE SEARCHING FOR PAMELA'S REMAINS, 1316 01:05:16,316 --> 01:05:17,717 SOMEONE AT THE SCENE REMEMBERED THAT SIX MILES SOUTH FROM THERE. 1317 01:05:17,717 --> 01:05:22,055 THEY HAD FOUND SOME OTHER REMAINS. 1318 01:05:22,055 --> 01:05:25,658 >> Reporter: A STATE TROOPER RECALLED THAT IN 1991, NEARLY 1319 01:05:25,658 --> 01:05:27,961 20 YEARS BEFORE PAM BUTLER WAS MURDERED, CIVIL WAR RELIC 1320 01:05:27,961 --> 01:05:31,331 HUNTERS TURNED UP ANOTHER BODY SIX MILES SOUTH IN THE MEDIAN OF 1321 01:05:31,331 --> 01:05:33,400 I-95 SO INSTEAD OF A SHELL CASING OR 1322 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,268 A BUTTON FROM A JACKET THEY FOUND -- 1323 01:05:35,268 --> 01:05:36,603 >> THEY FOUND -- >> Reporter: A MURDERED WOMAN. 1324 01:05:36,603 --> 01:05:41,241 >> THE REMAINS SO THEY -- THEY IMMEDIATELY CALL 1325 01:05:41,241 --> 01:05:43,710 THE POLICE >> Reporter: BACK IN 1991, THERE 1326 01:05:43,710 --> 01:05:47,480 WAS NO GOOD WAY TO IDENTIFY THE WOMAN'S SPARSE REMAINS 1327 01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,084 SO SHE WAS LISTED AS A "JANE DOE. 1328 01:05:51,084 --> 01:05:54,454 BUT THE DETECTIVES HAD A HUNCH, "COULD SHE BE MARTA? 1329 01:05:54,454 --> 01:05:57,724 >> THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MIND, "HAVE YOU GUYS SUBMITTED 1330 01:05:57,724 --> 01:06:00,860 DNA FOR TESTING? >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVES 1331 01:06:00,860 --> 01:06:03,463 OBTAINED A DNA SAMPLE FROM HANSEL, JOSE AND MARTA'S SON 1332 01:06:03,463 --> 01:06:06,633 THEY SENT IT OFF FOR COMPARISON WITH A SAMPLE EXTRACTED FROM THE 1333 01:06:06,633 --> 01:06:08,068 REMAINS OF THE JANE DOE. AND AT THAT POINT YOUR PHONE 1334 01:06:08,068 --> 01:06:14,641 RINGS? >> WE HAVE A MATCH 1335 01:06:14,641 --> 01:06:15,909 >> I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT >> Reporter: AND THIS IS WHERE 1336 01:06:15,909 --> 01:06:17,577 THEY FOUND MARTA'S BODY? >> THIS IS WHERE THEY FOUND 1337 01:06:17,577 --> 01:06:19,279 MARTA'S BODY >> Reporter: BUT THAT WAS JUST A 1338 01:06:19,279 --> 01:06:21,448 STARTING POINT >> WE KNEW WHO KILLED HER. 1339 01:06:21,448 --> 01:06:22,682 >> Reporter: BUT YOU GOTTA PROVE IT IN COURT. 1340 01:06:22,682 --> 01:06:29,055 >> BUT WE HAD TO PROVE IT IN COURT. 1341 01:06:29,055 --> 01:06:32,192 >>> COMING UP -- DERRICK MAKES IT HIS PERSONAL 1342 01:06:32,192 --> 01:06:34,794 MISSION TO BRING JOSE TO JUSTICE FOR MARTA'S MURDER 1343 01:06:34,794 --> 01:06:39,966 >> I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE EASY 1344 01:06:39,966 --> 01:07:00,320 >> IT WASN'T >> Reporter: AT HIS HOME IN 1345 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,489 WASHINGTON DC, DERRICK BUTLER WAS FUMING. 1346 01:07:02,489 --> 01:07:04,124 REGRETTING HE'D SIGNED ON TO THE PLEA DEAL THAT MEANT 1347 01:07:04,124 --> 01:07:06,292 JOSE RODRIGUEZ CRUZ COULD LIKELY SERVE LESS THAN 12 YEARS IN 1348 01:07:06,292 --> 01:07:09,262 PRISON FOR MURDERING HIS SISTER, PAM. 1349 01:07:09,262 --> 01:07:12,532 >> I HAVE NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT HE WOULD HAVE DONE IT 1350 01:07:12,532 --> 01:07:20,040 AGAIN. >> Reporter: DERRICK WAS SURE 1351 01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,142 JOSE HAD ALSO MURDERED HIS FIRST WIFE MARTA IN VIRGINIA DECADES 1352 01:07:22,142 --> 01:07:24,844 BEFORE, AND HE WAS GOING TO TRY TO GET JOSE PUT AWAY FOR LIFE. 1353 01:07:24,844 --> 01:07:26,179 >> NOW YOU'RE FIRED UP AGAIN AND YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS FIGHT 1354 01:07:26,179 --> 01:07:27,580 ACROSS THE RIVER >> CORRECT 1355 01:07:27,580 --> 01:07:28,782 >> Reporter: YOU KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE AS TOUGH OR TOUGHER? 1356 01:07:28,782 --> 01:07:30,183 >> ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE EASY WHEN I FIRST 1357 01:07:30,183 --> 01:07:33,420 STARTED. >> Reporter: DERRICK FIGURED THE 1358 01:07:33,420 --> 01:07:35,388 D.C. PROSECUTORS HAD PRESENTED A GIFT WRAPPED, WATER TIGHT CASE 1359 01:07:35,388 --> 01:07:41,461 AGAINST JOSE TO THE PROSECUTOR IN VIRGINIA. 1360 01:07:41,461 --> 01:07:45,398 BUT AS 2017 ROLLED INTO 2018, IT SEEMED TO DERRICK MARTA'S CASE 1361 01:07:45,398 --> 01:07:48,468 WAS STUCK. >> A YEAR GOES BY AND NOTHING 1362 01:07:48,468 --> 01:07:50,704 HAPPENS. A YEAR AND A HALF GO BY, WE'RE 1363 01:07:50,704 --> 01:07:53,073 PRETTY CLOSE TO TWO YEARS AND THEY DIDN'T DO A DAG'GON THING 1364 01:07:53,073 --> 01:07:54,240 WITH IT. >> I TOLD HIM, "YOU NEED TO 1365 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,911 TRUST US WE'RE DOIN' THIS 1366 01:07:57,911 --> 01:08:00,213 WE'RE DOIN' IT THE RIGHT WAY IT'S A BIG PUZZLE. 1367 01:08:00,213 --> 01:08:06,386 IS HOW I DESCRIBE THESE CASES YOU HAVE TO PUT ALL THE PIECES 1368 01:08:06,386 --> 01:08:08,121 TOGETHER. SOME PUZZLES TAKE LONGER THAN 1369 01:08:08,121 --> 01:08:09,155 OTHERS >> Reporter: AND DERRICK WANTED 1370 01:08:09,155 --> 01:08:10,790 TO GO QUICKLY? >> HE DID. 1371 01:08:10,790 --> 01:08:15,428 >> Reporter: AND IN 2019, DERRICK'S FRUSTRATION TURNED 1372 01:08:15,428 --> 01:08:19,499 INTO ACTION. >> I STARTED MAKING PHONE CALLS 1373 01:08:19,499 --> 01:08:21,267 TO THEM. AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY WOULD 1374 01:08:21,267 --> 01:08:22,302 NOT EVEN TALK TO ME. >> Reporter: WHEN DERRICK DID 1375 01:08:22,302 --> 01:08:26,172 EVENTUALLY GET THROUGH, HE SAYS HE GOT THE BRUSH OFF 1376 01:08:26,172 --> 01:08:29,576 >> TOLD ME HE DIDN'T HAVE TO TALK TO ME 1377 01:08:29,576 --> 01:08:31,911 HE WASN'T GOING TO TALK TO ME. >> Reporter: HE DIDN'T HAVE TO 1378 01:08:31,911 --> 01:08:34,948 TALK TO YOU? >> YEAH, WASN'T MY CASE. 1379 01:08:34,948 --> 01:08:38,685 I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. YEAH 1380 01:08:38,685 --> 01:08:41,688 >> Reporter: SO DERRICK UPPED THE ANTE 1381 01:08:41,688 --> 01:08:43,423 HE ROUNDED UP REPORTERS AND CAMERA TEAMS AND HEADED TO 1382 01:08:43,423 --> 01:08:45,358 VIRGINIA TO CONFRONT THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY IN PERSON. 1383 01:08:45,358 --> 01:08:47,794 >> Reporter: HE'S GOING TO BE ON THE SIX O'CLOCK NEWS UNLESS HE 1384 01:08:47,794 --> 01:08:50,230 GETS WITH THE PROGRAM HERE, HUH? >> EXACTLY 1385 01:08:50,230 --> 01:08:52,432 >> Reporter: DERRICK MARCHED HIS ENTOURAGE INTO THE COMMONWEALTH 1386 01:08:52,432 --> 01:08:55,435 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. DO THEY GET INTO THE BUILDING 1387 01:08:55,435 --> 01:08:58,138 WITH YOU OR DO THEY TRY AND KEEP THEM OUT 1388 01:08:58,138 --> 01:09:00,707 >> HIS SECRETARY CAME TO THE DOOR AND SHE SAID, "MR. BUTLER 1389 01:09:00,707 --> 01:09:04,778 CAN COME IN, BUT NOBODY ELSE CAN COME AND YOU HAVE TO CUT THE 1390 01:09:04,778 --> 01:09:07,080 AUDIO AND VIDEO EQUIPMENT OFF. >> Reporter: DERRICK SPOKE WITH 1391 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,181 THE D.A. COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY ERIC OLSEN 1392 01:09:08,181 --> 01:09:13,486 CORDIAL? >> IT WAS CORDIAL, YEAH, HE 1393 01:09:13,486 --> 01:09:15,889 SEEMED LIKE A NICE GUY, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT HE IS A NICE 1394 01:09:15,889 --> 01:09:21,027 GUY. >> DERRICK BUTLER WAS NOT 1395 01:09:21,027 --> 01:09:24,030 SATISFIED, AND SO HE MADE IT HIS MISSION TO SEE THAT 1396 01:09:24,030 --> 01:09:25,165 JOSE RODRIGUEZ CRUZ WAS BROUGHT TO JUSTICE 1397 01:09:25,165 --> 01:09:27,834 >> Reporter: COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY OLSEN WAS CAUGHT OFF 1398 01:09:27,834 --> 01:09:29,035 GUARD BY DERRICK'S APPROACH. HE CAME TO YOU GUYS SAYING, 1399 01:09:29,035 --> 01:09:30,603 BASICALLY, "GROW A SPINE COME ON, YOU -- YOU GUYS GOTTA 1400 01:09:30,603 --> 01:09:33,406 TAKE THIS THING ON." >> WELL, HE -- HE CERTAINLY DID 1401 01:09:33,406 --> 01:09:36,843 COME TO OUR OFFICE AND HE TALKED TO ME PERSONALLY 1402 01:09:36,843 --> 01:09:40,647 >> Reporter: WITH ALL THE CAMERAS IN THE WORLD - 1403 01:09:40,647 --> 01:09:43,750 >> ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO ENCOURAGE US AND - 1404 01:09:43,750 --> 01:09:45,919 >> Reporter: SO WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THIS ANGRY FAMILY VICTIM? 1405 01:09:45,919 --> 01:09:48,054 >> YOU KNOW, WHEN I SPOKE TO MR. BUTLER I EXPLAINED THERE'S A 1406 01:09:48,054 --> 01:09:51,591 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KNOWING WHAT HAPPENED AND PROVING WHAT 1407 01:09:51,591 --> 01:09:53,493 HAPPENED THIS WAS A 30-YEAR-OLD CASE. 1408 01:09:53,493 --> 01:09:55,662 >> Reporter: BUT HE TOLD DERRICK HE'D SEE WHAT HE COULD DO. 1409 01:09:55,662 --> 01:09:57,063 >> MY MESSAGE TO DERRICK BUTLER WAS THIS, "WE WILL DO EVERYTHING 1410 01:09:57,063 --> 01:10:00,133 WE CAN TO TRY TO PUT A CASE TOGETHER 1411 01:10:00,133 --> 01:10:03,103 YOU JUST HAVE TO BE PATIENT. IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN DO IT 1412 01:10:03,103 --> 01:10:04,637 WE'RE GONNA TRY. >> Reporter: IF YOU HADN'T 1413 01:10:04,637 --> 01:10:05,839 BROUGHT THE MEDIA PACK WITH YOU, DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD HAVE 1414 01:10:05,839 --> 01:10:08,141 GOTTEN ANY BREAKTHROUGH ON IT? >> I WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN PAST 1415 01:10:08,141 --> 01:10:11,111 THE FRONT DOOR I'M NOT CRAZY. 1416 01:10:11,111 --> 01:10:13,947 I KNOW THAT A 30-YEAR-OLD CASE IS HARD TO PROVE 1417 01:10:13,947 --> 01:10:19,219 >> Reporter: BUT OLSEN PUSHED THE CASE FORWARD 1418 01:10:19,219 --> 01:10:21,521 >> THIS IS THE ULTIMATE ACT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. 1419 01:10:21,521 --> 01:10:23,957 THAT'S THE ALLEGATION IN THIS CASE 1420 01:10:23,957 --> 01:10:25,658 >> Reporter: HE'S SINGING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TUNE TO YOU 1421 01:10:25,658 --> 01:10:27,761 NOW. >> OH, YEAH RIGHT. 1422 01:10:27,761 --> 01:10:29,529 >> Reporter: NOW YOU'RE BROTHERS IN ARMS AND YOU ARE GOING TO GO 1423 01:10:29,529 --> 01:10:31,698 GET THIS GUY >> EXACTLY 1424 01:10:31,698 --> 01:10:32,899 >> I'M HERE TO GET JUSTICE FOR HER. 1425 01:10:32,899 --> 01:10:33,833 SHE DESERVES IT. >> IT WAS FAIRLY OBVIOUS TO 1426 01:10:33,833 --> 01:10:35,468 AUTHORITIES THAT THERE WAS NEED TO PURSUE IT AS A HOMICIDE 1427 01:10:35,468 --> 01:10:39,673 INVESTIGATION. >> Reporter: IN OCTOBER 2019, 1428 01:10:39,673 --> 01:10:45,111 COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY OLSEN CHARGED JOSE RODRIGUEZ CRUZ WITH 1429 01:10:45,111 --> 01:10:46,646 THE FIRST-DEGREE MURDER OF HIS FIRST WIFE, MARTA. 1430 01:10:46,646 --> 01:10:48,081 AND ASSIGNED SANDRA PARK AND RYAN FITZGERALD TO PROSECUTE THE 1431 01:10:48,081 --> 01:10:56,990 CASE WHO DOES JOSE RODRIGUEZ CRUZ 1432 01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:59,693 TURN OUT TO BE WHO DID YOU LEARN THIS PERSON 1433 01:10:59,693 --> 01:11:01,594 WAS? >> HE WAS A PSYCHOPATH 1434 01:11:01,594 --> 01:11:06,332 TO ME, HE WAS JUST AN EVIL PERSON THAT INFLICTED A LOT OF 1435 01:11:06,332 --> 01:11:07,500 VIOLENCE ON WOMEN WHO CERTAINLY DID NOT DESERVE ANY OF IT. 1436 01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:08,702 >> OF COURSE, THE CHALLENGE FOR US AS PROSECUTORS IS WHAT WE 1437 01:11:08,702 --> 01:11:09,936 COULD USE AS EVIDENCE, AND HOW HOW LEGALLY WERE WE GOING TO GET 1438 01:11:09,936 --> 01:11:15,308 THOSE ITEMS INTO EVIDENCE TO PAINT THE PICTURE? 1439 01:11:15,308 --> 01:11:21,081 >> Reporter: THEIR EVIDENCE WAS CIRCUMSTANTIAL -- EVEN THIN. 1440 01:11:21,081 --> 01:11:24,317 THEY HAD NO MURDER SCENE, NO BLOOD EVIDENCE, NO EYEWITNESSES, 1441 01:11:24,317 --> 01:11:27,554 AND THEY WERE RELYING ON A FEW BONES FOUND BY CIVIL WAR RELIC 1442 01:11:27,554 --> 01:11:31,458 HUNTERS SOME 30 YEARS BEFORE >> REMEMBER THE BONES WERE 1443 01:11:31,458 --> 01:11:33,693 RECOVERED IN 1991. >> Reporter: AND I IMAGINE THE 1444 01:11:33,693 --> 01:11:34,461 REMAINS WERE SPARSE. >> YES 1445 01:11:34,461 --> 01:11:35,562 >> Reporter: BUT WHILE THE PROSECUTORS COULD PROVE THEY 1446 01:11:35,562 --> 01:11:36,730 WERE MARTA'S REMAINS, COULD THEY CONVINCE A JURY SHE'D BEEN 1447 01:11:36,730 --> 01:11:38,098 MURDERED >> THE INITIAL PATHOLOGY REPORT 1448 01:11:38,098 --> 01:11:42,435 DETERMINED THAT THE CAUSE OF DEATH WAS UNDETERMINED 1449 01:11:42,435 --> 01:11:45,572 >> Reporter: SO YOU DON'T KNOW HOW SHE DIED 1450 01:11:45,572 --> 01:11:49,743 >> RIGHT >> Reporter: AND OF COURSE JOSE 1451 01:11:49,743 --> 01:11:52,178 DENIED ANY KNOWLEDGE HE WAS IN PRISON FOR MURDERING 1452 01:11:52,178 --> 01:11:54,214 PAM BUTLER WHEN DETECTIVE ORTIZ AND A COLLEAGUE SHOWED UP TO 1453 01:11:54,214 --> 01:11:56,383 QUESTION HIM ABOUT KILLING MARTA. 1454 01:11:56,383 --> 01:11:59,352 >> I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU FOR THAT, JUST THE HONEST TRUTH. 1455 01:11:59,352 --> 01:12:01,388 GET THAT -- OFF YOUR CHEST. >> I CAN'T HELP YOU. 1456 01:12:01,388 --> 01:12:04,090 >> YOU CAN YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO 1457 01:12:04,090 --> 01:12:09,229 THAT'S DIFFERENT >> WELL, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY YOU 1458 01:12:09,229 --> 01:12:11,664 BELIEVE I KILLED HER >> WHY 1459 01:12:11,664 --> 01:12:13,967 WHY DID YOU KILL HER >> YOU KEEP ASKING THE QUESTION, 1460 01:12:13,967 --> 01:12:15,735 AND I CAN'T ANSWER IT. YOU KNOW WHY'D I KILL HER. 1461 01:12:15,735 --> 01:12:19,873 I DIDN'T KILL HER. >> AND HE SAYS, "I DON'T KNOW 1462 01:12:19,873 --> 01:12:21,675 WHAT TO TELL YOU. I THINK SHE RAN OFF WITH SOME 1463 01:12:21,675 --> 01:12:22,976 DRUG DEALERS." AND THAT'S THE SAME STORY THAT 1464 01:12:22,976 --> 01:12:25,612 HE HAD BEEN TELLING ALL THE OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE IN OUR 1465 01:12:25,612 --> 01:12:27,647 STORY. >> Reporter: WITH SO LITTLE 1466 01:12:27,647 --> 01:12:31,151 EVIDENCE TO WORK WITH, THE TWO PROSECUTORS WEREN'T SURE THEY 1467 01:12:31,151 --> 01:12:38,224 COULD WIN THE CASE AND WHAT'S MORE, JOSE HAD A LULU 1468 01:12:38,224 --> 01:12:42,429 OF A STORY STILL TO TELL >> COMING UP - 1469 01:12:42,429 --> 01:12:44,431 >> Reporter: IS THERE ANYTHING WHERE YOU JUST FELT THE HAIR ON 1470 01:12:44,431 --> 01:12:47,167 YOUR NECK STAND UP >> YES. I -- ALL OF IT 1471 01:12:47,167 --> 01:12:50,704 JOSE SPILLS THE GRIM DETAILS OF HOW HE KILLED PAM. 1472 01:12:50,704 --> 01:12:52,605 EVEN AS HE INSISTS HE'S INNOCENT OF MARTA'S DEATH 1473 01:12:52,605 --> 01:13:11,691 >> HE WANTED THE COURT TO BELIEVE THAT SHE DIED OF A DRUG 1474 01:13:11,691 --> 01:13:12,892 >> Reporter: IN LATE 2020, THE STAKES WERE HIGH FOR 1475 01:13:12,892 --> 01:13:17,230 STAFFORD COUNTY, VIRGINIA PROSECUTORS. 1476 01:13:17,230 --> 01:13:20,133 JOSE RODRIGUEZ-CRUZ SEEMED SET TO WALK OUT OF PRISON AFTER 1477 01:13:20,133 --> 01:13:23,370 SERVING GOOD DEAL LESS THAN HIS 12-YEAR SENTENCE, EVEN THOUGH 1478 01:13:23,370 --> 01:13:27,173 HE'D PLEADED GUILTY TO KILLING HIS GIRLFRIEND, PAM BUTLER 1479 01:13:27,173 --> 01:13:30,710 BUT NOW, AS THE PROSECUTORS SOUGHT TO PUT HIM AWAY FOR MAYBE 1480 01:13:30,710 --> 01:13:37,751 THE REST OF HIS LIFE FOR KILLING HIS FIRST WIFE MARTA, COULD THEY 1481 01:13:37,751 --> 01:13:38,718 EVEN PROVE THE CORE TRUTH ABOUT MARTA'S DEATH? 1482 01:13:38,718 --> 01:13:39,953 >> Reporter: DO YOU KNOW WHETHER SHE WAS A MURDER VICTIM OR NOT 1483 01:13:39,953 --> 01:13:41,955 THE MOST BASIC INFORMATION YOU NEED 1484 01:13:41,955 --> 01:13:44,958 >> YES PEOPLE DON'T JUST END UP ON A 1485 01:13:44,958 --> 01:13:47,694 MEDIAN UNEXPLAINED PEOPLE DON'T JUST END UP ON 1486 01:13:47,694 --> 01:13:50,130 I-95 UNEXPLAINED AND THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE THAT 1487 01:13:50,130 --> 01:13:53,767 WOULD HAVE PUT HER THERE BUT JOSE 1488 01:13:53,767 --> 01:13:55,268 AND THE MANNER IN WHICH HE DISPOSED OF HER BECAME SO 1489 01:13:55,268 --> 01:13:57,103 IMPORTANT, BECAUSE HE'D DONE THAT TO SOMEONE ELSE ANOTHER 1490 01:13:57,103 --> 01:13:59,205 TIME >> Reporter: EVEN THOUGH HE'D 1491 01:13:59,205 --> 01:14:03,143 ALREADY TOLD PROSECUTORS IN THE PAM BUTLER CASE WHAT HE'D DONE, 1492 01:14:03,143 --> 01:14:06,279 HERE HE WAS ON TAPE, SPEAKING CASUALLY, CHILLINGLY, ABOUT PAM, 1493 01:14:06,279 --> 01:14:09,516 TO DETECTIVE ORTIZ AND A FELLOW DETECTIVE. 1494 01:14:09,516 --> 01:14:13,353 >> HOW DID YOU KILL HER? >> I STRANGLED HER 1495 01:14:13,353 --> 01:14:18,224 >> YOU JUST KILLED HER YOU FEEL BAD ABOUT THAT? 1496 01:14:18,224 --> 01:14:23,063 >> YEAH. >> Reporter: AND HE TOLD THE 1497 01:14:23,063 --> 01:14:28,668 DETECTIVES HE DROVE DOWN INTERSTATE 95. 1498 01:14:28,668 --> 01:14:30,770 >> DID YOU PULL OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD OR DID YOU USE THE 1499 01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:33,073 MEDIAN >> I USED THE MEDIAN 1500 01:14:33,073 --> 01:14:34,474 >> Reporter: AND HE CONFIRMED HOW HE'D DISPOSED OF PAM'S BODY. 1501 01:14:34,474 --> 01:14:36,276 >> DID YOU BURY HER? YOU DID? 1502 01:14:36,276 --> 01:14:39,946 YOU DUG A HOLE >> YEAH. 1503 01:14:39,946 --> 01:14:42,349 >> Reporter: THE WAY HE TELLS IT, SOME OF THE DETAILS, IS 1504 01:14:42,349 --> 01:14:44,084 THERE ANYTHING WHERE YOU JUST FELT THE HAIR ON YOUR NECK STAND 1505 01:14:44,084 --> 01:14:46,319 UP >> YES 1506 01:14:46,319 --> 01:14:48,755 I -- ALL OF IT JUST NO COMPASSION OR EMPATHY OR 1507 01:14:48,755 --> 01:14:51,791 HUMAN EMOTION WHATSOEVER >> Reporter: YOU'RE NOT SEEING 1508 01:14:51,791 --> 01:14:54,728 ANY REMORSE? >> NO REMORSE. 1509 01:14:54,728 --> 01:15:02,869 >> Reporter: LITTLE DID HE KNOW THAT, BY TELLING LAW ENFORCEMENT 1510 01:15:02,869 --> 01:15:04,137 HOW HE MURDERED AND DISPOSED OF PAM BUTLER, JOSE WAS HANDING THE 1511 01:15:04,137 --> 01:15:05,305 PROSECUTORS CRITICAL DETAILS THEY COULD USE AGAINST HIM FOR 1512 01:15:05,305 --> 01:15:06,239 KILLING MARTA. >> IT BECOMES SIGNATURE 1513 01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:08,141 EVIDENCE IT'S IDIOSYNCRATIC 1514 01:15:08,141 --> 01:15:10,577 IT'S SO UNIQUE THAT THE EVIDENCE OF PAM BUTLER'S MURDER BECOMES 1515 01:15:10,577 --> 01:15:15,348 RELEVANT TO THE MURDER OF MARTA RODRIGUEZ. 1516 01:15:15,348 --> 01:15:17,083 THE DEFENDANT HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THIS IS THE AREA IN WHICH HE 1517 01:15:17,083 --> 01:15:20,453 PLACED PAM BUTLER'S BODY, THAT'S A SIGNATURE. 1518 01:15:20,453 --> 01:15:23,323 >> MARTA WAS DUMPED VERY CLOSE ALONG THIS TREE LINE HERE. 1519 01:15:23,323 --> 01:15:27,060 >> Reporter: DETECTIVE ORTIZ TOLD US HOW SHE BELIEVES JOSE 1520 01:15:27,060 --> 01:15:30,930 DISPOSED OF MARTA'S BODY SO HOW DO YOU THINK IT HAPPENED? 1521 01:15:30,930 --> 01:15:33,900 HOW DO YOU SEE IT GOING DOWN >> I REALLY SEE IT AT THE MIDDLE 1522 01:15:33,900 --> 01:15:37,570 OF THE NIGHT, DARK JOSE JUST PULLS OVER ON THE -- 1523 01:15:37,570 --> 01:15:40,440 ON THE SHOULDER OF THE HIGHWAY IT'S A VERY QUICK, UNPLANNED 1524 01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:44,244 MANEUVER AND HE JUST DUMPS THE BODY RIGHT 1525 01:15:44,244 --> 01:15:47,647 THERE. >> Reporter: AS THE 1526 01:15:47,647 --> 01:15:51,551 MARTA RODRIGUEZ MURDER CASE HEADED FOR TRIAL, THE EVIDENCE 1527 01:15:51,551 --> 01:15:56,156 AGAINST JOSE, THAT ONCE SEEMED THIN, WAS PILING UP. 1528 01:15:56,156 --> 01:15:59,159 >> I THINK THAT'S WHEN ANYONE WOULD BEGIN TO REALIZE, "OKAY. 1529 01:15:59,159 --> 01:16:02,929 THEY'VE BUILT THE CASE AND THEY HAVE MY STORY NOW. 1530 01:16:02,929 --> 01:16:05,498 WHAT DO I DO NOW?" >> Reporter: JOSE DID AS HE'D 1531 01:16:05,498 --> 01:16:08,335 DONE IN THE PAM BUTLER CASE. HE MADE A DEAL WITH THE 1532 01:16:08,335 --> 01:16:17,177 PROSECUTORS AND AGREED TO PLEAD GUILTY TO SECOND DEGREE MURDER 1533 01:16:17,177 --> 01:16:24,150 IN APRIL 2021 AT A SENTENCING HEARING, HE WOULD MAKE HIS CASE 1534 01:16:24,150 --> 01:16:25,318 FOR THE MINIMUM FIVE YEARS IN PRISON WHILE THE PROSECUTORS 1535 01:16:25,318 --> 01:16:26,252 WOULD ARGUE FOR THE MAX, 40 YEARS 1536 01:16:26,252 --> 01:16:27,354 THIS IS, SORT OF, AN UNUSUAL EVENT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. 1537 01:16:27,354 --> 01:16:28,822 THERE'S NO JURY. YOU'RE ARGUING YOUR CASE TO THE 1538 01:16:28,822 --> 01:16:31,791 JUDGE. >> YES 1539 01:16:31,791 --> 01:16:34,294 >> Reporter: AS THE COURT CONVENED, THERE WAS MARTA AND 1540 01:16:34,294 --> 01:16:38,064 JOSE'S ONLY SON, HANSEL. >> HANSEL. 1541 01:16:38,064 --> 01:16:43,336 HANSEL RODRIGUEZ HE'S THE DRIVING FORCE FOR US. 1542 01:16:43,336 --> 01:16:50,510 HE SUFFERED SO MUCH AND WE NEEDED TO BRING THIS TO FRUITION 1543 01:16:50,510 --> 01:16:52,946 FOR HIM. >> Reporter: DERRICK BUTLER WAS 1544 01:16:52,946 --> 01:16:53,713 THERE TOO, STARING DAGGERS AT JOSE 1545 01:16:53,713 --> 01:16:56,916 HERE YOU ARE IN THIS COURTROOM STANDING AS AN ADVOCATE FOR A 1546 01:16:56,916 --> 01:16:58,785 MURDERED WOMAN THAT YOU'D NEVER MET. 1547 01:16:58,785 --> 01:17:00,653 >> OH, YEAH. HANSEL DIDN'T DESERVE TO GO 1548 01:17:00,653 --> 01:17:01,755 THROUGH WHAT HE HAD WENT THROUGH. 1549 01:17:01,755 --> 01:17:04,858 >> Reporter: WHEN THE HEARING GOT UNDERWAY, RYAN FITZGERALD 1550 01:17:04,858 --> 01:17:08,528 MADE A BLISTERING PRESENTATION OF THE EVIDENCE. 1551 01:17:08,528 --> 01:17:13,266 FAIR TO SAY YOU TOOK THIS PERSONALLY 1552 01:17:13,266 --> 01:17:14,768 >> NO. IT'S NOT THAT YOU TAKE THINGS 1553 01:17:14,768 --> 01:17:16,236 PERSONALLY, BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO TAP INTO WHAT THAT FEELS 1554 01:17:16,236 --> 01:17:18,371 LIKE WHEN YOU'VE GOT HIS SON SITTING BEHIND YOU 1555 01:17:18,371 --> 01:17:21,408 >> Reporter: HANSEL TOOK THE STAND AGAINST HIS FATHER WITH A 1556 01:17:21,408 --> 01:17:23,143 SEARING IMPACT STATEMENT >> YOU COULD FEEL HIS HURT 1557 01:17:23,143 --> 01:17:24,811 YOU FELT IT WHEN HE SAID, "I STARTED TO NOTICE OTHER FAMILIES 1558 01:17:24,811 --> 01:17:27,781 THAT HAD A MOM AND I DIDN'T HAVE A MOM. 1559 01:17:27,781 --> 01:17:32,552 >> Reporter: AND THEN HE TOLD THE COURT A CHILDHOOD SECRET 1560 01:17:32,552 --> 01:17:37,157 HE'D REVEALED TO DETECTIVES DURING THEIR INVESTIGATION, THAT 1561 01:17:37,157 --> 01:17:40,060 WHEN HE WAS 11, HE SUDDENLY DISCOVERED THE STORY ABOUT HIS 1562 01:17:40,060 --> 01:17:43,797 MOM RUNNING OFF WITH DRUG DEALERS WASN'T TRUE. 1563 01:17:43,797 --> 01:17:48,101 THE INCIDENT HAPPENED WHEN JOSE WAS IN A RAGE AND HANSEL RAN TO 1564 01:17:48,101 --> 01:17:49,502 HIDE >> AND HE SAYS, "MY DAD HAS THIS 1565 01:17:49,502 --> 01:17:52,339 LIBRARY AND -- AND HE HAS HIS DESK AREA. 1566 01:17:52,339 --> 01:17:53,807 AND I'M RUNNING BY AND I JUST HAPPEN TO LOOK AND THERE'S THIS 1567 01:17:53,807 --> 01:17:56,710 PIECE OF PAPER LAYING THERE. AND THE SHEET OF PAPER SAID, "I, 1568 01:17:56,710 --> 01:17:58,611 JOSE RODRIGUEZ, AM RESPONSIBLE FOR MARTA'S DISAPPEARANCE. 1569 01:17:58,611 --> 01:18:00,046 AND HE WAS LIKE, "OH, MY GOD HE'S GONNA KILL HIMSELF AND THIS 1570 01:18:00,046 --> 01:18:05,118 IS, SORT OF, HIS CONFESSION OF WHAT HE DID TO HIS MOM." 1571 01:18:05,118 --> 01:18:06,453 AND HE SAID HE WENT AND HID. >> HE SAID HE JUST VIEWED HIS 1572 01:18:06,453 --> 01:18:08,421 LIFE THROUGH A LENS OF CONFLICT AND SURVIVAL 1573 01:18:08,421 --> 01:18:09,756 AND YOU FELT IT WHEN HE SAID THAT IT DEFINED HIM. 1574 01:18:09,756 --> 01:18:12,192 >> Reporter: BEING A BOY WHOSE FATHER KILLED HIS MOTHER 1575 01:18:12,192 --> 01:18:15,028 >> RIGHT >> Reporter: THE EXCLAMATION 1576 01:18:15,028 --> 01:18:19,799 POINT CAME FROM MARTA'S SISTER, NEIDA, APPEARING IN COURT VIA A 1577 01:18:19,799 --> 01:18:24,838 LIVE VIDEO STREAM. >> SO TRAGIC 1578 01:18:24,838 --> 01:18:25,939 MARTA SUFFERED SO MUCH >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTORS 1579 01:18:25,939 --> 01:18:30,410 CLOSED BELIEVING THEY'D MADE THEIR STRONGEST CASE FOR A LONG 1580 01:18:30,410 --> 01:18:32,946 SENTENCE THE QUESTION IS, "JUDGE, WHAT 1581 01:18:32,946 --> 01:18:35,582 ARE YOU GONNA DO NOW THAT WE'VE TOLD YOU THESE THINGS? 1582 01:18:35,582 --> 01:18:38,418 >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Reporter: AND THEY HADN'T 1583 01:18:38,418 --> 01:18:41,287 COUNTED ON JOSE'S NEXT MOVE. >> AT A SENTENCING PROCEEDING, 1584 01:18:41,287 --> 01:18:43,590 THE DEFENDANT HAS THE RIGHT TO OFFER THE COURT HIS VERSION OF 1585 01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:47,494 THE EVENTS >> Reporter: SO JOSE ROSE TO 1586 01:18:47,494 --> 01:18:51,364 TELL HIS STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED TO MARTA 1587 01:18:51,364 --> 01:18:54,768 IN MAY 1989, AFTER HE AND MARTA WERE SEPARATED, JOSE SAID MARTA 1588 01:18:54,768 --> 01:18:56,970 GOT IN TOUCH WITH HIM. >> HE SAYS THAT SHE WANTED TO 1589 01:18:56,970 --> 01:18:58,772 MEET WITH HIM TO TALK ABOUT HANSEL 1590 01:18:58,772 --> 01:19:01,441 >> Reporter: JOSE SAID THEY MET AT A HOTEL, BUT MARTA FELT 1591 01:19:01,441 --> 01:19:05,011 UNWELL >> HE SAYS THAT SHE WAS 1592 01:19:05,011 --> 01:19:06,613 SUFFERING A MIGRAINE HE TOLD HER THAT SHE COULD TAKE 1593 01:19:06,613 --> 01:19:08,381 SOME OF HIS PAINKILLERS THAT HAPPENED TO BE LAYING OUT IN A 1594 01:19:08,381 --> 01:19:12,085 BAG. >> AND HE DIRECTED HER TO THE 1595 01:19:12,085 --> 01:19:15,455 BAG TO TAKE THE PAIN PILLS >> Reporter: MEANWHILE, JOSE 1596 01:19:15,455 --> 01:19:17,624 SAID, HE TOOK THIS CAR TO GO GET SOME FOOD FOR MARTA. 1597 01:19:17,624 --> 01:19:22,662 BUT AS LUCK WOULD HAVE IT, HE SAID, HE RAN OUT OF GAS. 1598 01:19:22,662 --> 01:19:26,633 AND SO BY THE TIME HE GOT BACK TO THE HOTEL, HE CLAIMED HE WAS 1599 01:19:26,633 --> 01:19:29,035 CONFRONTED BY A SCENE OF HORROR. >> SO WHEN HE LEAVES TO GO GET 1600 01:19:29,035 --> 01:19:32,472 GAS, HE COMES BACK LATE AND THEN MARTA'S DEAD 1601 01:19:32,472 --> 01:19:33,740 >> Reporter: MARTA HAD OVERDOSED ON PAIN PILLS, JOSE EXPLAINED IN 1602 01:19:33,740 --> 01:19:36,943 COURT. AND HE PANICKED. 1603 01:19:36,943 --> 01:19:38,712 AND THEN HE SAYS HE CALLS A FRIEND TO HELP HIM, HUH? 1604 01:19:38,712 --> 01:19:44,284 >> WELL, HE SAID HE CALLED NOT A FRIEND 1605 01:19:44,284 --> 01:19:47,153 HE CALLS HIS DRUG DEALER TO HELP HIM DISPOSE OF THE BODY. 1606 01:19:47,153 --> 01:19:50,056 >> Reporter: JOSE CLAIMED HIS DEALER FRIEND TOLD HIM TO KEEP 1607 01:19:50,056 --> 01:19:52,592 LOOKOUT WHILE HE TOOK CARE OF MARTA'S BODY 1608 01:19:52,592 --> 01:19:55,462 >> AND THEN IT'S THE DRUG DEALER WHO DUMPS THE BODY 1609 01:19:55,462 --> 01:20:00,767 >> Reporter: AND THAT WAS JOSE'S STORY ABOUT MARTA. 1610 01:20:00,767 --> 01:20:03,737 >> THINK ABOUT THAT. RIGHT? 1611 01:20:03,737 --> 01:20:07,140 IN THE YEAR BEFORE SHE DIED, JOSE ABDUCTED HER, ABUSED HER, 1612 01:20:07,140 --> 01:20:10,977 TIED HER UP, ATTEMPTING TO RAPE HER, AND HE WANTED THE COURT TO 1613 01:20:10,977 --> 01:20:13,346 BELIEVE THAT SHE DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE DURING WHICH HE WASN'T 1614 01:20:13,346 --> 01:20:16,683 EVEN IN THE ROOM AND HE HAPPENED TO BE OUT GETTING GAS. 1615 01:20:16,683 --> 01:20:21,721 >> Reporter: THE JUDGE WAS NOT BUYING THIS DEFENSE AT ALL 1616 01:20:21,721 --> 01:20:22,922 >> THAT WAS OUR TAKE ON IT >> Reporter: AFTER A SHORT 1617 01:20:22,922 --> 01:20:26,726 RECESS, THE JUDGE RETURNED TO HAND DOWN HIS SENTENCE 1618 01:20:26,726 --> 01:20:27,794 BOOM >> HE IMPOSED THE MAXIMUM 1619 01:20:27,794 --> 01:20:31,498 PUNISHMENT ALLOWABLE UNDER THE LAW -- 1620 01:20:31,498 --> 01:20:32,999 >> AND I CLAPPED >> Reporter: YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED 1621 01:20:32,999 --> 01:20:37,637 TO DO THAT DERRICK >> YEAH. 1622 01:20:37,637 --> 01:20:44,010 I WAS HOPING THAT HE WOULD GET THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT 1623 01:20:44,010 --> 01:20:47,547 BUT I WASN'T EXPECTING IT. >> Reporter: JOSE, AGED 55, GOT 1624 01:20:47,547 --> 01:20:50,950 40 YEARS, ON TOP OF THE 12 YEARS HE WAS ALREADY SERVING FOR 1625 01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:54,921 MURDERING PAM BUTLER >> THAT IS WHAT THAT MAXIMUM 1626 01:20:54,921 --> 01:21:00,894 PENALTY IS RESERVED FOR. IT'S FOR PEOPLE, MONSTERS LIKE 1627 01:21:00,894 --> 01:21:02,395 JOSE >> I THOUGHT NOBODY WAS SO 1628 01:21:02,395 --> 01:21:05,632 BROKEN, THAT THEY COULDN'T BE FIXED. 1629 01:21:05,632 --> 01:21:08,802 BUT I WOULD TELL HIM THAT YOU ARE A PERSON THAT SHOULD HAVE 1630 01:21:08,802 --> 01:21:11,104 NEVER BEEN BORN. HE'S AN EVIL GUY 1631 01:21:11,104 --> 01:21:15,075 WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE THINGS THAT HE'S DONE 1632 01:21:15,075 --> 01:21:18,578 >> JUSTICE WAS FINALLY SERVED. >> Reporter: JOSE WILL LIKELY 1633 01:21:18,578 --> 01:21:21,715 DIE IN PRISON, WHILE HIS MANY VICTIMS TRY TO PICK UP THE 1634 01:21:21,715 --> 01:21:24,417 PIECES OF THEIR LIVES. MARTA'S SISTER, NEIDA, IS STILL 1635 01:21:24,417 --> 01:21:27,821 FILLED WITH REGRET, FOR NOT COMING TO THE PHONE THE DAY 1636 01:21:27,821 --> 01:21:33,093 MARTA CALLED FOR HELP. >> I'M NEVER GOING TO HAVE 1637 01:21:33,093 --> 01:21:35,195 CLOSURE. THAT'S WHY I FEEL SO GUILTY AS 1638 01:21:35,195 --> 01:21:40,367 IF I HAD KILLED HER WITH MY OWN HANDS. 1639 01:21:40,367 --> 01:21:43,370 >> Reporter: DETECTIVE ORTIZ IS PLANNING TO BRING MARTA'S ASHES 1640 01:21:43,370 --> 01:21:45,538 TO PUERTO RICO, SO NEIDA CAN LAY HER SISTER TO REST ON A HILL 1641 01:21:45,538 --> 01:21:49,843 WHERE MARTA HAD SOME OF HER HAPPIEST MOMENTS 1642 01:21:49,843 --> 01:21:50,844 >> SHE WOULD'VE STILL BEEN AROUND HER FAMILY. 1643 01:21:50,844 --> 01:21:55,215 >> Reporter: SHE DIDN'T GET THAT 1644 01:21:55,215 --> 01:21:59,719 >> SHE DIDN'T GET THAT CHANCE. SHE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO RAISE 1645 01:21:59,719 --> 01:22:04,057 HER CHILD OR HAVE THE ABILITY TO RAISE HER GRANDKIDS. 1646 01:22:04,057 --> 01:22:06,092 >> Reporter: AS FOR DERRICK, HE CONTINUES TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE 1647 01:22:06,092 --> 01:22:10,163 OF COLOR SEARCHING FOR MISSING LOVED ONES THROUGH THE NONPROFIT 1648 01:22:10,163 --> 01:22:13,700 BLACK AND MISSING FOUNDATION BUT HIS PERSONAL JOURNEY IS 1649 01:22:13,700 --> 01:22:16,069 OVER YOU JUST KEPT ON ACOMING AND 1650 01:22:16,069 --> 01:22:20,340 ACOMING AND ACOMING FOR YEARS. >> YEAH. 1651 01:22:20,340 --> 01:22:22,509 SCARED AS HELL SOMETIMES THAT THEY WERE GOING TO COME AND LOCK 1652 01:22:22,509 --> 01:22:23,810 ME UP. >> Reporter: HOW DO YOU THINK 1653 01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:26,179 ABOUT YOURSELF, DERRICK? ARE YOU A HERO 1654 01:22:26,179 --> 01:22:31,384 >> NO, JUST SOMEBODY THAT CARES ABOUT HIS FAMILY 1655 01:22:31,384 --> 01:22:33,953 I HAVE NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT HAD THIS HAPPENED TO ME, THAT 1656 01:22:33,953 --> 01:22:43,096 PAM WOULD HAVE DID THE SAME FOR ME 1657 01:22:43,096 --> 01:22:46,766 >>> THAT'S ALL FOR THIS EDITION OF DATELINE. 1658 01:22:46,766 --> 01:22:49,202 WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT FRIDAY AT 9:00 P.M./8:00 P.M. CENTRAL 1659 01:22:49,202 --> 01:22:51,404 AND, OF COURSE, I'LL SEE YOU EACH WEEKNIGHT FOR "NBC NIGHTLY 1660 01:22:51,404 --> 01:22:53,306 NEWS." I'M LESTER HOLT.