1 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:14,381 >> YOU COULD SEE HER WINDOW, AND 2 00:00:14,381 --> 00:00:16,583 HER LIGHT WAS ON AND HER CURTAINS WERE BLOWING. 3 00:00:16,583 --> 00:00:25,625 I KNEW SHE WAS LAYING IN THERE, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING I COULD 4 00:00:25,625 --> 00:00:29,829 DO >> I JUST, LIKE, IMMEDIATELY 5 00:00:29,829 --> 00:00:30,897 COLLAPSED. >> WHO WOULD HURT MINDY? 6 00:00:30,897 --> 00:00:32,098 THE OUTGOING, FUN, CARING, COMPASSIONATE GIRL THAT 7 00:00:32,098 --> 00:00:33,133 EVERYBODY LOVED. >> WE HAD SOME SUSPECTS THAT WE 8 00:00:33,133 --> 00:00:34,167 WERE LOOKING AT. >> Reporter: CLEARLY YOU WANNA 9 00:00:34,167 --> 00:00:38,004 TALK TO THOSE NEIGHBORS. >> ABSOLUTELY. 10 00:00:38,004 --> 00:00:39,039 >> I KNEW HER IN PASSING >> I HELPED HER UP TO HER 11 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:40,507 APARTMENT. >> YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT JORDAN, 12 00:00:40,507 --> 00:00:42,542 THE CURRENT BOYFRIEND. WE INTERVIEWED HER EX-BOYFRIEND, 13 00:00:42,542 --> 00:00:44,678 KYLE HIS FATHER WAS STILL TALKING TO 14 00:00:44,678 --> 00:00:47,313 MINDY AND INTERACTING WITH HER >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE 15 00:00:47,313 --> 00:00:48,882 RELATIONSHIP YOU HAVE WITH HER >> Reporter: AN EX-BOYFRIEND'S 16 00:00:48,882 --> 00:00:53,653 FATHER THAT'S ODD 17 00:00:53,653 --> 00:00:55,789 >> VERY ODD. >> IT WAS JUST A TOTAL BIG 18 00:00:55,789 --> 00:00:56,923 MYSTERY OF WHO THIS PERSON WAS >> WHO ARE THEY AFTER NEXT 19 00:00:56,923 --> 00:00:59,492 >> HE THOUGHT HE GOT AWAY WITH THE PERFECT CRIME. 20 00:00:59,492 --> 00:01:03,730 MINDY'S THE ONE THAT HELPED US CATCH THIS GUY 21 00:01:03,730 --> 00:01:08,468 >> SHE WAS NOT GONNA GO DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT. 22 00:01:08,468 --> 00:01:11,638 >> A YOUNG COLLEGE STUDENT, MURDERED IN HER APARTMENT. 23 00:01:11,638 --> 00:01:13,740 AND THE CLUE THAT CRACKED THE CASE IS ONE SHE LEFT FOR 24 00:01:13,740 --> 00:01:26,419 INVESTIGATORS. I'M LESTER HOLT, AND THIS IS 25 00:01:26,419 --> 00:01:37,530 "DATELINE. HERE'S KEITH MORRISON WITH "WHO 26 00:01:37,530 --> 00:01:38,965 KILLED MINDY MORGENSTERN?" >> Reporter: MINDY MORGENSTERN 27 00:01:38,965 --> 00:01:45,772 WAS THE TYPE OF FRIEND EVERYONE NEEDS. 28 00:01:45,772 --> 00:01:49,175 A GOOD LISTENER, GENEROUS WITH ADVICE, AND ALWAYS WILLING TO 29 00:01:49,175 --> 00:01:50,543 STAND BY HER GIRLFRIENDS >> SHE WAS JUST ALWAYS THERE 30 00:01:50,543 --> 00:01:52,345 AND YOU COULD TELL HER ANYTHING. AND SHE WAS NEVER JUDGING. 31 00:01:52,345 --> 00:01:55,015 >> Reporter: THE KIND TO HELP YOU OUT OF A BIND. 32 00:01:55,015 --> 00:01:57,751 AND MINDY'S FRIEND TONI BAUMANN WAS IN A FIX AS SHE SAT AT A BAR 33 00:01:57,751 --> 00:02:01,354 OUTSIDE OF VALLEY CITY, NORTH DAKOTA 34 00:02:01,354 --> 00:02:05,592 IT WAS A SEPTEMBER NIGHT IN 2006 35 00:02:05,592 --> 00:02:10,063 MINDY WAS AT HOME WHILE TONI WAS OUT WITH ANOTHER FRIEND, 36 00:02:10,063 --> 00:02:11,898 DANIELLE >> WE ENDED UP GOING OUT 37 00:02:11,898 --> 00:02:14,067 >> HAD A COUPLE OF DRINKS THERE. >> HAD SOME DRINKS 38 00:02:14,067 --> 00:02:18,805 >> Reporter: THE PROBLEM WAS TONI'S BOYFRIEND 39 00:02:18,805 --> 00:02:23,076 HE DIDN'T LIKE TONI OUT AT BARS WITH CERTAIN GIRLFRIENDS -- LIKE 40 00:02:23,076 --> 00:02:27,347 DANIELLE >> HE LIKED DANIELLE, BUT WE 41 00:02:27,347 --> 00:02:29,349 ACTUALLY GOT INTO TROUBLE. >> Reporter: THEN TONI'S 42 00:02:29,349 --> 00:02:31,584 BOYFRIEND CALLED, AND SHE CAME UP WITH A LITTLE COVER STORY 43 00:02:31,584 --> 00:02:32,519 >> I SAID, "OH, I'M WITH -- WE'RE WITH MINDY 44 00:02:32,519 --> 00:02:36,756 WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, HANGING OUT. 45 00:02:36,756 --> 00:02:40,827 >> Reporter: MINDY WAS THE GOOD GIRL, THE SAFE FRIEND, THE 46 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:44,698 COLLEGE SENIOR WHO LIVED OFF CAMPUS BUT STILL FOLLOWED THE 47 00:02:44,698 --> 00:02:45,732 RULES. >> SHE WAS A GOOD PERSON 48 00:02:45,732 --> 00:02:49,969 YOU KNOW, SHE DIDN'T DRINK A LOT. 49 00:02:49,969 --> 00:02:51,104 SHE DIDN'T DO DRUGS. >> Reporter: THE BOYFRIEND 50 00:02:51,104 --> 00:03:09,522 THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS UP, ASKED TO SPEAK TO MINDY. 51 00:03:09,522 --> 00:03:11,124 SO TONI AND DANIELLE HEADED TO MINDY'S APARTMENT. 52 00:03:11,124 --> 00:03:12,726 >> I SAID, "DANIELLE, WE NEED -- LET'S HUSTLE UP AND GET TO 53 00:03:12,726 --> 00:03:13,893 MINDY'S FASTER SO WE CAN DRAG HER OUT SO SHE CAN BE IN THE 54 00:03:13,893 --> 00:03:16,930 BACKGROUND." >> SO SHE'S YOUR ALIBI 55 00:03:16,930 --> 00:03:23,803 >> SHE WAS MY ALIBI. >> Reporter: YOU'RE PHONING HER 56 00:03:23,803 --> 00:03:29,676 ALONG THE WAY. >> UH-HUH. 57 00:03:29,676 --> 00:03:30,677 >> Reporter: AND SHE DIDN'T PICK UP 58 00:03:30,677 --> 00:03:33,613 >> MM-MM >> HEY, IT'S MINDY, AND I'M NOT 59 00:03:33,613 --> 00:03:34,914 HERE RIGHT NOW LEAVE ME A-- 60 00:03:34,914 --> 00:03:36,082 >> HEY, MINDY, IT'S TONI HEY, DANI'S TRYING TO GET AHOLD 61 00:03:36,082 --> 00:03:42,822 OF YOU TOO UM, CALL ME RIGHT AWAY." 62 00:03:42,822 --> 00:03:48,661 >> Reporter: WHEN THEY ARRIVED, DANIELLE STAYED IN THE CAR 63 00:03:48,661 --> 00:03:54,467 TONI WENT IN, UP THE STAIRS TO MINDY'S DOOR 64 00:03:54,467 --> 00:03:55,702 >> FOR SOME REASON, I KNOCKED, AND THEN I JUST GRABBED THE DOOR 65 00:03:55,702 --> 00:03:57,671 HANDLE, AND IT JUST PUSHED OPEN. AND I TOOK ABOUT TWO, THREE 66 00:03:57,671 --> 00:04:00,807 STEPS IN AND THAT'S WHEN I -- I NOTICED 67 00:04:00,807 --> 00:04:14,554 SOMETHING OR -- SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR. 68 00:04:14,554 --> 00:04:15,622 AND THEN I LOOKED DOWN I NOTICED IT WAS MINDY 69 00:04:15,622 --> 00:04:16,723 AND I SAW HER EYES AND THAT'S WHEN I KNEW THAT 70 00:04:16,723 --> 00:04:19,392 SOMETHING BAD HAD HAPPENED >> TONI CAME RUNNING BACK OUT. 71 00:04:19,392 --> 00:04:20,660 AND THEN SHE, UM, WAS SCREAMING. >> Reporter: NEIGHBORS HEARD THE 72 00:04:20,660 --> 00:04:21,895 COMMOTION, AND PRETTY SOON A GUY FROM ANOTHER FLOOR CAME TO SEE 73 00:04:21,895 --> 00:04:22,862 WHAT WAS GOING ON. >> I JUST SAID, "CAN YOU -- 74 00:04:22,862 --> 00:04:24,664 COULD Y I TOOK, LIKE, TWO, THREE STEPS 75 00:04:24,664 --> 00:04:25,665 IN MAYBE, JUST ENOUGH THAT I COULD SEE ALL OF HER 76 00:04:25,665 --> 00:04:27,233 I BACKPEDALED AS FAST AS I COULD. 77 00:04:27,233 --> 00:04:28,802 I REMEMBER I BACKPEDALED UNTIL I HIT THE HALLWAY WALL 78 00:04:28,802 --> 00:04:29,903 >> I THINK HE CHECKED FOR A PULSE, AND HE JUST SAID IT 79 00:04:29,903 --> 00:04:32,072 YOU KNOW "I'M SORRY, FRIEND" -- OR, "I'M 80 00:04:32,072 --> 00:04:33,273 SORRY, BUT YOUR FRIEND IS GONE." AND I JUST NOTICED THAT, LIKE -- 81 00:04:33,273 --> 00:04:36,209 I DON'T KNOW HER THROAT HAD BEEN CUT, AND IT 82 00:04:36,209 --> 00:04:37,277 WAS OBVIOUS. >> Reporter: IT BECOMES SO 83 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:38,878 IMPRINTED ON YOUR MINDS, BOTH OF YOU. 84 00:04:38,878 --> 00:04:41,514 >> YEAH, EVEN IF I LOSE MY MIND, I THINK I'LL PROBABLY NEVER LOSE 85 00:04:41,514 --> 00:04:47,821 THAT DAY >> Reporter: THAT DAY WHEN THEIR 86 00:04:47,821 --> 00:04:49,956 WHOLE IDEA OF LIFE AND HOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO COLLAPSED 87 00:04:49,956 --> 00:04:51,691 THEY MANAGED TO CALL 911 AND THEN THE PHONE RANG AT THE 88 00:04:51,691 --> 00:04:55,295 HOME OF POLICE SERGEANT DAVE SWENSON 89 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:57,364 >> DISPATCH CALLED AND SAID THEY'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT 90 00:04:57,364 --> 00:05:05,305 THEY'VE GOT. THE CALLER THAT CALLED IT IN WAS 91 00:05:05,305 --> 00:05:08,475 REALLY HYSTERICAL AND UPSET. THEY TOLD ME THE ADDRESS AND 92 00:05:08,475 --> 00:05:13,780 ASKED IF I WOULD JUST RUN OVER THERE. 93 00:05:13,780 --> 00:05:20,120 BECAUSE WHERE I LIVED, I WAS ONLY A BLOCK FROM THE APARTMENT 94 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,354 BUILDING >> Reporter: ONE OF THOSE RARE 95 00:05:21,354 --> 00:05:22,622 OCCASIONS WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY WALK TO A POTENTIAL CRIME SCENE. 96 00:05:22,622 --> 00:05:23,490 >> YEAH. >> Reporter: HE ARRIVED TO FIND 97 00:05:23,490 --> 00:05:25,392 TONI AND DANIELLE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING 98 00:05:25,392 --> 00:05:26,593 >> THE GIRLS WERE PRETTY FRANTIC AND -- AND SAID, "SHE'S DOWN 99 00:05:26,593 --> 00:05:27,560 HERE." AND THEY SHOWED US WHERE THE 100 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,129 APARTMENT WAS AT >> Reporter: BUT BEFORE HE'D 101 00:05:29,129 --> 00:05:31,064 EVEN OPENED MINDY'S DOOR, HE SNIFFED A PRETTY OBVIOUS CLUE IN 102 00:05:31,064 --> 00:05:32,265 THE AIR. >> I COULD SMELL AN ODOR OF 103 00:05:32,265 --> 00:05:35,969 PINE-SOL AS SOON AS I WENT INTO THE 104 00:05:35,969 --> 00:05:38,605 APARTMENT, IT WAS VERY STRONG. >> Reporter: AND THEN -- 105 00:05:38,605 --> 00:05:41,241 >> AND I SAW HER LAYING ON HER BACK 106 00:05:41,241 --> 00:05:44,411 THERE WAS A KNIFE THAT WAS STILL IN HER NECK. 107 00:05:44,411 --> 00:05:47,347 THE HANDLE WAS BROKE OFF THERE WAS ANOTHER KNIFE RIGHT 108 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:48,481 NEXT TO HER THAT WAS BROKE >> Reporter: WHAT'S IT LIKE TO 109 00:05:48,481 --> 00:05:51,785 ENCOUNTER THAT >> IT WAS PRETTY, PRETTY 110 00:05:51,785 --> 00:05:54,988 HORRIFIC >> Reporter: A YOUNG WOMAN, A 111 00:05:54,988 --> 00:05:57,090 COLLEGE GIRL DEAD THAT WAY >> YES 112 00:05:57,090 --> 00:05:59,192 VALLEY CITY IS A SMALL COMMUNITY. 113 00:05:59,192 --> 00:06:01,294 AND FOR ME, I WORKED A LOT OF COLLEGE DANCES, SO I KNEW WHO 114 00:06:01,294 --> 00:06:03,430 SHE WAS. DIDN'T KNOW HER PERSONALLY 115 00:06:03,430 --> 00:06:07,701 >> Reporter: BUT YOU'D SEEN HER BEFORE, ALIVE AND WELL 116 00:06:07,701 --> 00:06:10,303 >> OH, YEAH. >> Reporter: ALIVE AND WELL? 117 00:06:10,303 --> 00:06:16,109 >> OH, YES >> Reporter: AFTER ALL, VALLEY 118 00:06:16,109 --> 00:06:19,813 CITY IS A SMALL COLLEGE TOWN, A RELATIVE DOT IN THIS GREAT FLAT 119 00:06:19,813 --> 00:06:22,048 LAND WHERE SUMMERS ARE BRIEF AND WINTERS LONG AND UNFORGIVING AND 120 00:06:22,048 --> 00:06:25,618 PEOPLE TEND TO LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER. 121 00:06:25,618 --> 00:06:28,922 >> SO RIGHT AWAY MY MIND CHANGED TO, "LET'S FIND OUT WHO DID THIS 122 00:06:28,922 --> 00:06:34,627 TO TRY TO GET JUSTICE FOR HER AND HER FAMILY." 123 00:06:34,627 --> 00:06:39,399 >> Reporter: MINDY'S FAMILY. ALMOST 200 MILES DUE WEST IN 124 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:43,603 LITTLE NEW SALEM, NORTH DAKOTA, MINDY'S SISTER REBECCA AND HER 125 00:06:43,603 --> 00:06:48,375 HUSBAND JASON RECEIVED A VISITOR AROUND 11:00 P.M., A DEPUTY THE 126 00:06:48,375 --> 00:06:51,611 FAMILY HAD KNOWN FOR DECADES REBECCA COULD SEE HIS TORMENT. 127 00:06:51,611 --> 00:06:54,681 >> HE HAD A NOT-SO-GOOD LOOK ON HIS FACE 128 00:06:54,681 --> 00:07:01,087 HE WAS -- A VERY WORRIED LOOK. AND HE -- HE SAID, "I'M SORRY TO 129 00:07:01,087 --> 00:07:07,927 INFORM YOU, REBECCA, BUT MINDY'S DEAD." 130 00:07:07,927 --> 00:07:10,630 AND I REMEMBER I JUST IMMEDIATELY, LIKE, COLLAPSED 131 00:07:10,630 --> 00:07:15,035 >> Reporter: THE DEPUTY DIDN'T KNOW MUCH EXCEPT THAT MINDY'S 132 00:07:15,035 --> 00:07:17,203 DEATH WAS NO ACCIDENT. >> SUSPICIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES. 133 00:07:17,203 --> 00:07:20,106 >> SUSPICIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES, RIGHT. 134 00:07:20,106 --> 00:07:23,276 AND THAT'S ALL THAT THEY KNEW FROM THE VALLEY CITY POLICE 135 00:07:23,276 --> 00:07:27,247 DEPARTMENT >> Reporter: BUT NOW THEY NEEDED 136 00:07:27,247 --> 00:07:29,115 TO DELIVER THE NEWS TO MINDY'S PARENTS. 137 00:07:29,115 --> 00:07:35,455 REBECCA AND JASON FOLLOWED THE DEPUTY TO THE FAMILY FARM. 138 00:07:35,455 --> 00:07:37,557 THERE WAS JUST NO EASY WAY TO FACE MINDY'S FATHER, LARRY, AND 139 00:07:37,557 --> 00:07:40,760 HER MOTHER, EUNICE >> I SAID, "WAS THERE A CAR 140 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:46,066 ACCIDENT?" AND FINALLY REBECCA SAID, "MOM," 141 00:07:46,066 --> 00:07:50,337 THAT, "MINDY IS DEAD." AND IT WAS JUST LIKE SOMEBODY 142 00:07:50,337 --> 00:07:52,372 TOOK A SPEAR AND JUST PUT IT RIGHT THROUGH ME 143 00:07:52,372 --> 00:07:54,507 NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT 144 00:07:54,507 --> 00:07:56,076 >> Reporter: NO, THEY SURE SHOULDN'T. 145 00:07:56,076 --> 00:08:01,381 YOU WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED? 146 00:08:01,381 --> 00:08:04,551 >> IT WAS KIND OF -- I DON'T KNOW -- UNEASY FEELING NOT 147 00:08:04,551 --> 00:08:05,785 KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. WHY WOULD SOMEBODY WANT TO HURT 148 00:08:05,785 --> 00:08:09,289 MINDY? >> UH-HUH. 149 00:08:09,289 --> 00:08:13,026 >> Reporter: THIS LITTLE APARTMENT BUILDING WAS TURNING 150 00:08:13,026 --> 00:08:15,128 INTO A MAJOR CRIME SCENE AND MAYBE THE ANSWER TO THAT 151 00:08:15,128 --> 00:08:45,525 QUESTION OF WHY, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHO, WAS RIGHT THERE 152 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:46,693 >> Reporter: IT WAS LATE AT NIGHT WHEN ASHLEY WALLACE GOT 153 00:08:46,693 --> 00:08:48,495 THE DREADFUL NEWS. >> AND I JUST REMEMBER JUST 154 00:08:48,495 --> 00:08:52,198 SAYING, "NO, NO, NO. LIKE, ALL I COULD SAY WAS "NO. 155 00:08:52,198 --> 00:08:59,773 >> Reporter: MINDY MORGENSTERN WAS HER CHILDHOOD BEST FRIEND. 156 00:08:59,773 --> 00:09:06,012 THEY'D GROWN UP TOGETHER, ENROLLED IN THE SAME COLLEGE 157 00:09:06,012 --> 00:09:07,013 THE NEWS THAT MINDY WAS DEAD JUST COULDN'T BE TRUE. 158 00:09:07,013 --> 00:09:08,114 SHE HEADED TO MINDY'S APARTMENT. >> I SAW HER CURTAINS. 159 00:09:08,114 --> 00:09:12,285 THEY PARKED BY -- YOU COULD SEE HER WINDOW, AND HER LIGHT WAS 160 00:09:12,285 --> 00:09:21,261 ON AND HER CURTAINS WERE BLOWING 161 00:09:21,261 --> 00:09:25,031 'CAUSE THE WINDOWS HAD BEEN OPENED 162 00:09:25,031 --> 00:09:29,336 AND I JUST WANTED TO GO IN THERE SO BAD 163 00:09:29,336 --> 00:09:33,440 LIKE, I JUST -- I WAS LIKE, "IS SOMEBODY TRYING TO HELP HER? 164 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,143 THAT'S WHAT I KEPT THINKING. "IS SOMEBODY TRYING TO HELP 165 00:09:37,143 --> 00:09:38,712 HER? >> Reporter: GOD 166 00:09:38,712 --> 00:09:39,913 >> IT'S LIKE I KNOW SHE'S UP THERE, AND THERE'S NOTHING I CAN 167 00:09:39,913 --> 00:09:41,481 DO >> Reporter: ASHLEY WASN'T ALONE 168 00:09:41,481 --> 00:09:42,949 OUTSIDE. FAR FROM IT. 169 00:09:42,949 --> 00:09:44,718 WITHIN HOURS OF MINDY'S MURDER, COLLEGE FRIENDS, WORK FRIENDS, 170 00:09:44,718 --> 00:09:50,890 AND NEIGHBORS GATHERED OUTSIDE HER APARTMENT BUILDING WANTING 171 00:09:50,890 --> 00:09:51,958 TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. >> THE WORD SPREAD SO FAST 172 00:09:51,958 --> 00:09:54,561 WITHIN 30 MINUTES THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE FRONT YARD 173 00:09:54,561 --> 00:09:57,864 OF THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX. >> Reporter: AN OUTPOURING THAT 174 00:09:57,864 --> 00:09:59,332 WAS NO SURPRISE TO ANYONE WHO KNEW HER 175 00:09:59,332 --> 00:10:04,637 MINDY HAD ALWAYS BEEN A MAGNETIC FORCE. 176 00:10:04,637 --> 00:10:08,108 >> SHE WAS THE LOUD, ENERGETIC, WELCOMING GAL. 177 00:10:08,108 --> 00:10:11,311 >> Reporter: BECKY KUSS AND LIZ KLEINKE MET MINDY FRESHMAN 178 00:10:11,311 --> 00:10:13,613 YEAR AT VALLEY CITY STATE UNIVERSITY 179 00:10:13,613 --> 00:10:17,884 >> SHE CONNECTED WITH EVERYBODY. SHE HAD -- LIKE, WE WERE MINDY'S 180 00:10:17,884 --> 00:10:21,054 FRIENDS, BUT MINDY ALSO HAD 100 OTHER FRIENDS ON CAMPUS 181 00:10:21,054 --> 00:10:22,655 THAT - >> I THINK MINDY KNEW EVERYBODY 182 00:10:22,655 --> 00:10:24,224 ON CAMPUS WITHIN THE FIRST WEEK. >> Reporter: MY GOSH 183 00:10:24,224 --> 00:10:26,526 [ LAUGH THAT'S A SPECIAL TALENT. 184 00:10:26,526 --> 00:10:27,394 >> YEAH. SHE WAS A RAY OF SUNSHINE. 185 00:10:27,394 --> 00:10:32,198 >> Reporter: SHE'D BEEN LIKE THAT EVER SINCE SHE WAS A KID 186 00:10:32,198 --> 00:10:42,709 GROWING UP ON THE FAMILY FARM WITH HER THREE OLDER SIBLINGS. 187 00:10:42,709 --> 00:10:43,777 JASON MARRIED HER SISTER REBECCA WHEN MINDY WAS 12. 188 00:10:43,777 --> 00:10:45,345 >> FAMILY DINNER TABLE WAS A HUGE DEAL. 189 00:10:45,345 --> 00:10:47,480 AND MINDY SAT AT THE HEAD OF THE TABLE AND -- AND WOULD 190 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,650 ORCHESTRATE THE CONVERSATION AND THE LAUGHTER 191 00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:51,785 >> Reporter: SHE SAT AT THE HEAD OF THE TABLE 192 00:10:51,785 --> 00:10:52,786 >> YUP >> Reporter: THE BABY. 193 00:10:52,786 --> 00:10:53,853 >> SHE DEFINITELY WAS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION 194 00:10:53,853 --> 00:10:55,121 >> Reporter: MINDY WAS HER PARENTS' HAPPY ANGEL, THEIR 195 00:10:55,121 --> 00:10:59,659 YOUNGEST >> REBECCA WAS BORN, OUR 196 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:03,863 BIOLOGICAL DAUGHTER. THEN WE DECIDED -- TO ADOPT 197 00:11:03,863 --> 00:11:07,067 MICHAEL, OUR -- OUR SON. WE HAD THEM FOR TEN YEARS. 198 00:11:07,067 --> 00:11:11,805 THEN WE DECIDED, "WELL, LET'S TRY FOR TWO MORE." 199 00:11:11,805 --> 00:11:13,173 >> Reporter: MY GOODNESS YOU'RE EITHER A BEARER FOR 200 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:14,140 PUNISHMENT OR YOU JUST LOVE A BIG FAMILY, HUH? 201 00:11:14,140 --> 00:11:18,678 >> YES >> Reporter: FIRST THEY ADOPTED 202 00:11:18,678 --> 00:11:22,916 APRIL FROM COLOMBIA. SHE FIT RIGHT IN 203 00:11:22,916 --> 00:11:25,552 WHEN THEY FOUND OUT APRIL HAD A BIOLOGICAL LITTLE SISTER WHO 204 00:11:25,552 --> 00:11:29,756 NEEDED A HOME, THE MORGENSTERNS WELCOMED MINDY TOO 205 00:11:29,756 --> 00:11:30,824 DO YOU REMEMBER MINDY COMING HOME 206 00:11:30,824 --> 00:11:35,595 >> OH, YEAH. SHE WAS SO TINY. 207 00:11:35,595 --> 00:11:42,469 AND SHE HAD THE BIGGEST BROWN EYES THAT I'VE EVER SEEN 208 00:11:42,469 --> 00:11:48,808 >> SHE GIGGLED A LOT AND BOUNCED OFF THE WALLS. 209 00:11:48,808 --> 00:11:50,910 VERY ACTIVE LITTLE GIRL, LIKED TO BE OUTSIDE. 210 00:11:50,910 --> 00:11:55,148 >> Reporter: ON THE MORGENSTERN FAMILY FARM, THEY MILKED COWS, 211 00:11:55,148 --> 00:11:58,318 RAISED CHICKENS, TOOK IN STRAY CATS 212 00:11:58,318 --> 00:11:59,519 FARM CHORES FROM DAWN TO DUSK. AROUND TOWN, APRIL AND MINDY, 213 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:04,657 ADOPTED FROM SOUTH AMERICA, STOOD OUT A BIT, OF COURSE 214 00:12:04,657 --> 00:12:06,793 >> I REMEMBER HAVING TO STAND UP TO SOME KIDS ON THE BUS ONE TIME 215 00:12:06,793 --> 00:12:08,161 BECAUSE THEY WERE GIVING HER AND MY SISTER A HARD TIME. 216 00:12:08,161 --> 00:12:09,295 BUT I JUST PUT 'EM STRAIGHT. I JUST SAID, "HEY, SHE'S MY 217 00:12:09,295 --> 00:12:13,199 SISTER." >> Reporter: BUT IT TURNED OUT 218 00:12:13,199 --> 00:12:19,472 MINDY DIDN'T NEED MUCH HELP. CHEERLEADER, STAR ATHLETE IN 219 00:12:19,472 --> 00:12:23,710 TRACK AND BASKETBALL, CLARINETIST IN THE PEP BAND. 220 00:12:23,710 --> 00:12:30,383 SHE EVEN DID SOME MODELLING. ASHLEY SAID MINDY'S GIFT WAS 221 00:12:30,383 --> 00:12:33,853 MAKING PEOPLE HAPPY. >> EVERYTHING WAS FUNNY AND FUN 222 00:12:33,853 --> 00:12:37,457 WHEN MINDY WAS AROUND. SHE WAS LIKE A SISTER TO ME. 223 00:12:37,457 --> 00:12:40,126 WE COULD TELL EACH OTHER THINGS WE -- WE BOTH HAD A STRONG 224 00:12:40,126 --> 00:12:43,797 FAITH. >> Reporter: OH, YES, THE OTHER 225 00:12:43,797 --> 00:12:48,101 THING, THE CENTRAL THING ABOUT THE MORGENSTERNS REALLY, AND 226 00:12:48,101 --> 00:12:52,806 CERTAINLY ABOUT MINDY. >> SHE KNEW GOD LOVED HER AND -- 227 00:12:52,806 --> 00:12:54,474 AND THAT HE WAS THERE FOR HER. >> SHE KNEW WHO SHE -- HER MAKER 228 00:12:54,474 --> 00:12:55,909 WAS, AND SHE WAS NOT GONNA LET ANYBODY TELL HER DIFFERENT 229 00:12:55,909 --> 00:12:56,710 >> IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT WAS GOING ON 230 00:12:56,710 --> 00:12:58,244 SUNDAY MORNING SHE WOULD WAKE YOU UP AND BE LIKE, "COME ON, 231 00:12:58,244 --> 00:13:01,881 COME TO CHURCH WITH ME." >> Reporter: MINDY'S FAITH CAME 232 00:13:01,881 --> 00:13:03,383 WITH HER TO COLLEGE, AS WELL AS HER PASSION FOR FITNESS. 233 00:13:03,383 --> 00:13:09,689 SHE MAJORED IN PHYSICAL EDUCATION. 234 00:13:09,689 --> 00:13:13,360 >> HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS HERE EXERCISE -- YOU ACTUALLY TAKE 235 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,461 THE TIME OUT OF YOUR BUSY DAY TO EXERCISE 236 00:13:14,461 --> 00:13:16,563 >> Reporter: SHE WANTED TO BE A COACH. 237 00:13:16,563 --> 00:13:23,436 SHE WANTED TO BE A MOM BUT NOW SHE WAS GONE 238 00:13:23,436 --> 00:13:26,606 AND IT WOULD BE UP TO THE POLICE TO FIGURE OUT WHY. 239 00:13:26,606 --> 00:13:30,844 WITH MINDY'S HEARTBROKEN FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS GATHERED OUTSIDE 240 00:13:30,844 --> 00:13:35,615 THE APARTMENT BUILDING, SERGEANT SWENSON SAW AN OPPORTUNITY 241 00:13:35,615 --> 00:13:38,785 >> I STARTED COLLECTIN' STATEMENTS FROM EVERYBODY THAT 242 00:13:38,785 --> 00:13:39,953 SAW HER THROUGHOUT THE DAY THE LAST PERSON SAW HER AT ABOUT 243 00:13:39,953 --> 00:13:41,421 12:20 THAT DAY, WALKING OUT, HEADING HOME 244 00:13:41,421 --> 00:13:44,591 AND WHEN YOU LEAVE THE COLLEGE, IT TAKES ABOUT FIVE MINUTES TO 245 00:13:44,591 --> 00:13:55,702 GET FROM THE COLLEGE TO WHERE SHE LIVES 'CAUSE IT'S THE SMALL 246 00:13:55,702 --> 00:13:58,872 TOWN >> Reporter: SO HOME BY 12:30. 247 00:13:58,872 --> 00:14:02,342 THEN MINDY MISSED A PHONE CALL AT 12:47 P.M 248 00:14:02,342 --> 00:14:05,145 AND THEN A WITNESS REPORTED SMELLING THE PINE-SOL AT 249 00:14:05,145 --> 00:14:06,780 1:00 P.M JUST HALF AN HOUR. 250 00:14:06,780 --> 00:14:09,949 THAT WAS THE WINDOW. THAT'S WHEN THIS CRIME TOOK 251 00:14:09,949 --> 00:14:11,051 PLACE. EVERYTHING LINED UP. 252 00:14:11,051 --> 00:14:12,752 >> THINGS WERE LINING UP AND WHAT DIDN'T LINE UP IS WHY 253 00:14:12,752 --> 00:14:15,255 OR -- OR WHO COULD'VE DONE IT. >> Reporter: MAYBE A CLUE WAS 254 00:14:15,255 --> 00:14:21,628 RIGHT THERE AT THE CRIME SCENE >> THERE'S PICTURE FRAMES WITH 255 00:14:21,628 --> 00:14:24,230 PICTURES REMOVED IT MAKES YOU WONDER, YOU KNOW, 256 00:14:46,453 --> 00:14:48,555 >> Reporter: MINDY MORGENSTERN'S OFF-CAMPUS APARTMENT WAS NOW A 257 00:14:48,555 --> 00:14:52,292 CRIME SCENE. >> THIS APARTMENT IS ON THE 258 00:14:52,292 --> 00:14:54,361 SECOND FLOOR >> Reporter: THE LITTLE 259 00:14:54,361 --> 00:14:55,528 ONE-BEDROOM WHERE AS A COLLEGE SENIOR SHE LIVED BY HERSELF. 260 00:14:55,528 --> 00:15:00,400 A FACT THAT WAS ITSELF A BIT REMARKABLE IF YOU KNEW MINDY, 261 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,336 THE BORN EXTROVERT >> AND I RECALL WHEN MINDY MOVED 262 00:15:03,336 --> 00:15:10,510 OFF CAMPUS INTO AN APARTMENT BY HERSELF, WE ALL KINDA JOKED. 263 00:15:10,510 --> 00:15:12,345 WE SAID -- >> "YOU? 264 00:15:12,345 --> 00:15:16,616 ALONE? >> "ALONE, LIVIN' BY YOURSELF? 265 00:15:16,616 --> 00:15:19,753 WAS -- >> MINDY 266 00:15:19,753 --> 00:15:24,491 YEAH [ LAUGH ]E >> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT 267 00:15:24,491 --> 00:15:25,625 SHE WANTED >> Reporter: NOT JUST WHAT SHE 268 00:15:25,625 --> 00:15:30,330 WANTED, BUT WHAT SHE NEEDED. DURING HER FRESHMAN YEAR, MINDY 269 00:15:30,330 --> 00:15:31,631 RECEIVED A LIFE-CHANGING DIAGNOSIS. 270 00:15:31,631 --> 00:15:32,899 >> THE DOCTORS CAME IN AND TOLD HER THEY WERE PRETTY SURE SHE 271 00:15:32,899 --> 00:15:34,067 HAD M.S. AND TO DEAL WITH IT AND SO SHE JUST ACCEPTED IT. 272 00:15:34,067 --> 00:15:34,868 >> SHE WOULD NOT LET IT BRING HER DOWN 273 00:15:34,868 --> 00:15:42,475 SHE DIDN'T WANT PITY FOR IT. SHE WANTED TO BE PART OF TH 274 00:15:42,475 --> 00:15:44,077 CAN HELP SOMEBODY ELSE." >> Reporter: THE TRIAL MEANT 275 00:15:44,077 --> 00:15:47,247 MINDY HAD TO GET INFUSIONS OF AN EXPERIMENTAL DRUG. 276 00:15:47,247 --> 00:15:50,417 SHE MOVED TO THE APARTMENT FOR HER HEALTH 277 00:15:50,417 --> 00:15:52,085 DID SHE FEEL SAFE IN THAT APARTMENT OF HERS? 278 00:15:52,085 --> 00:15:54,654 >> YEAH, SHE DID SHE DID. 279 00:15:54,654 --> 00:15:56,256 SHE -- 'CAUSE SHE -- SHE SAID THERE WAS A COUPLE POLICE 280 00:15:56,256 --> 00:15:59,926 OFFICERS THAT LIVED AROUND THE BUILDING 281 00:15:59,926 --> 00:16:02,062 >> Reporter: A CORRECTIONAL OFFICER LIVED IN THE BUILDING 282 00:16:02,062 --> 00:16:05,231 TOO WITH HIS WIFE, CHRISSY AND ON THE NIGHT OF MINDY'S 283 00:16:05,231 --> 00:16:06,833 MURDER, THEY OF COURSE NOTICED THE POLICE LIGHTS OUT THEIR 284 00:16:06,833 --> 00:16:10,603 WINDOW >> HE WENT OUT TO KIND OF SEE 285 00:16:10,603 --> 00:16:13,707 WHAT WAS GOING ON AND CAME BACK IN AND SAID THAT SOMEBODY HAD 286 00:16:13,707 --> 00:16:17,377 BEEN KILLED. I WENT INTO SHEER PANIC. 287 00:16:17,377 --> 00:16:22,682 >> Reporter: CHRISSY, HER DAUGHTER, AND HUSBAND LEFT RIGHT 288 00:16:22,682 --> 00:16:23,850 AWAY FOR HER PARENTS' HOUSE. >> MY HUSBAND, HE KIND OF JUST 289 00:16:23,850 --> 00:16:28,488 WRAPPED ME UP IN HIS ARMS, AND WE LAID THERE. 290 00:16:28,488 --> 00:16:34,294 I DIDN'T SLEEP A WINK. >> Reporter: IT WAS GOING BE A 291 00:16:34,294 --> 00:16:40,133 LONG NIGHT FOR THE OFFICERS AT THE CRIME SCENE TOO. 292 00:16:40,133 --> 00:16:44,871 SERGEANT SWENSON, WHO'D RESPONDED TO THE 911 CALL, KNEW 293 00:16:44,871 --> 00:16:47,507 HIS DEPARTMENT WAS GOING TO NEED HELP 294 00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:49,642 HIS BOSS PHONED THE STATE'S INVESTIGATIVE UNIT 295 00:16:49,642 --> 00:16:53,346 >> THEY CALLED BCI, WHICH IS THE BUREAU OF CRIMINAL 296 00:16:53,346 --> 00:16:56,783 INVESTIGATION, TO ASSIST US WITH THIS 297 00:16:56,783 --> 00:17:01,254 'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. >> Reporter: SPECIFICALLY WHAT 298 00:17:01,254 --> 00:17:03,390 MARK SAYLER, NOW A RETIRED BCI AGENT, DID 299 00:17:03,390 --> 00:17:06,559 SO WHAT'D YOU THINK WHEN YOU GOT THERE? 300 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:09,696 >> I COULD CERTAINLY SEE WHY THEY CALLED ME 301 00:17:09,696 --> 00:17:10,764 >> Reporter: MINDY'S DEATH WAS COLD-BLOODED, OVERKILL 302 00:17:10,764 --> 00:17:15,035 >> WHAT REALLY CAUGHT MY FOCUS RIGHT AWAY, I GUESS, WOULD BE 303 00:17:15,035 --> 00:17:19,339 THE, UH, TWO KNIVES. THERE WAS ALSO A BELT, UH, 304 00:17:19,339 --> 00:17:22,942 WRAPPED AROUND THE NECK. >> Reporter: THE KILLER LEFT ONE 305 00:17:22,942 --> 00:17:29,282 FINAL TOUCH -- THAT PINE-SOL SERGEANT SWENSON SMELLED 306 00:17:29,282 --> 00:17:34,587 MINDY WAS DOUSED IN IT >> A PINE-SOL BOTTLE WAS LAYING 307 00:17:34,587 --> 00:17:36,156 IN THE CROOK OF THE -- THE ARM OF MINDY MORGENSTERN 308 00:17:36,156 --> 00:17:37,691 WAS IT TO DEFACE THE BODY? OR WAS IT TO, UH, DESTROY ANY 309 00:17:37,691 --> 00:17:38,825 EVIDENCE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN LEFT THERE? 310 00:17:38,825 --> 00:17:43,897 >> Reporter: AND YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO AND WHERE 311 00:17:43,897 --> 00:17:49,369 TO GO NEXT AND - >> WELL, FIRST THING I DID 312 00:17:49,369 --> 00:17:52,972 WAS -- WAS REALIZE THAT I WAS GONNA NEED SOME MORE HELP. 313 00:17:52,972 --> 00:17:55,709 >> Reporter: SOMETIMES THE BACKUP NEEDS BACKUP OF THEIR 314 00:17:55,709 --> 00:18:00,480 OWN. AGENT SAYLER CALLED ARNIE RUMMEL 315 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:05,752 AND CAL DUPREE, TWO BCI AGENTS WHO WERE OFTEN PAIRED UP ON THE 316 00:18:05,752 --> 00:18:06,920 DIFFICULT CASES. >> YEAH, ARNIE WAS A CRIME SCENE 317 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:07,887 GUY, AND I WAS A STAND UP, KNOCK ON DOORS GUY 318 00:18:07,887 --> 00:18:11,057 SO IT WORKED OUT >> Reporter: YEAH. 319 00:18:11,057 --> 00:18:16,162 THEY COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE MINDY WAS FULLY DRESSED. 320 00:18:16,162 --> 00:18:28,174 SO THIS CRIME DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A SEXUAL ATTACK OR A ROBBERY 321 00:18:28,174 --> 00:18:29,309 HER PURSE, WALLET, AND CELL PHONE WERE RIGHT NEXT TO HER 322 00:18:29,309 --> 00:18:32,345 BODY >> ARNIE WAS DOING MOST OF THE 323 00:18:32,345 --> 00:18:34,414 REAL CLOSE ANALYSIS. HE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS TISSUE 324 00:18:34,414 --> 00:18:36,950 IN MINDY'S FINGERNAILS AND MADE THE STATEMENT THAT, "THIS IS 325 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:43,823 GONNA END UP BEING A FORENSIC DNA CASE." 326 00:18:43,823 --> 00:18:45,525 >> WHATEVER IT WAS, WE WERE GONNA FIND OUT WHAT IT WAS 327 00:18:45,525 --> 00:18:52,298 >> Reporter: THEY WRAPPED MINDY'S HANDS IN EVIDENCE BAGS, 328 00:18:52,298 --> 00:18:57,570 SAID A PRAYER THERE'D BE A SHRED OF USABLE DNA, SENT HER BODY OFF 329 00:18:57,570 --> 00:18:59,673 TO THE M.E. FOR A FULL AUTOPSY AND THEN INVESTIGATORS SCANNED 330 00:18:59,673 --> 00:19:02,308 MINDY'S APARTMENT AND SAW SOMETHING A BIT SURPRISING FOR A 331 00:19:02,308 --> 00:19:03,410 YOUNG COLLEGE STUDENT. NOTES STUCK UP ON THE WALLS. 332 00:19:03,410 --> 00:19:06,546 A PARTICULAR KIND OF NOTES >> THERE WERE NOTES AROUND THE 333 00:19:06,546 --> 00:19:11,017 APARTMENT RELATING TO GOD AND HOW SHE WANTED TO BE A GOOD 334 00:19:11,017 --> 00:19:15,555 PERSON AND, "MINDY, YOU ARE A CHILD OF GOD." 335 00:19:15,555 --> 00:19:19,225 JUST NOTES TO HERSELF. >> Reporter: CONFIRMING A 336 00:19:19,225 --> 00:19:22,429 CERTAIN RELIGIOUS BELIEF AS WELL 337 00:19:22,429 --> 00:19:28,034 >> YES >> Reporter: THEY ALSO NOTICED 338 00:19:28,034 --> 00:19:33,039 PICTURE FRAMES, SEVERAL OF THEM, WITH THE PHOTOS REMOVED. 339 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:34,274 WHEN YOU SAW THOSE PICTURES OUT THERE, DID YOU, LIKE, CONNECT, 340 00:19:34,274 --> 00:19:36,176 "OH, MAYBE THAT HAD SOMETHIN' TO DO WITH IT"? 341 00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:38,311 >> WE DID THINK ABOUT THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT 342 00:19:38,311 --> 00:19:42,549 YOU KNOW, IS IT SOMEBODY THAT THINKS, YOU KNOW, SHE'S 343 00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:46,252 BEAUTIFUL AND, "I NEED PICTURES OF HER," AND ENDED UP TAKING 344 00:19:46,252 --> 00:19:51,324 PICTURES OF HER? >> Reporter: PERHAPS THIS ASPECT 345 00:19:51,324 --> 00:19:57,330 OF THE CRIME SCENE POINTED TO OBSESSION? 346 00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:58,565 IT WAS CLOSE TO DAWN WHEN AGENT SAYLER LEFT THE SCENE. 347 00:19:58,565 --> 00:20:00,567 HE CALLED IN COLLEAGUES FROM ACROSS THE STATE TO CONDUCT 348 00:20:00,567 --> 00:20:01,634 INTERVIEWS TONI AND DANIELLE, THE FRIENDS 349 00:20:01,634 --> 00:20:02,802 WHO FOUND MINDY'S BODY, HAD GIVEN STATEMENTS TO POLICE AT 350 00:20:02,802 --> 00:20:03,770 THE SCENE. >> I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK 351 00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:06,339 AND PROCESS AND TRYING TO WRITE DOWN WORD FOR WORD, OR WHAT I 352 00:20:06,339 --> 00:20:08,541 COULD REMEMBER BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, "WELL, I 353 00:20:08,541 --> 00:20:11,644 CAN'T -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY SOMETHING WRONG OR MESS THIS 354 00:20:11,644 --> 00:20:17,450 UP." >> Reporter: YOU WERE KIND OF IN 355 00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:21,654 A FOG. >> YEAH, I WAS KIND OF STARING 356 00:20:21,654 --> 00:20:25,892 OFF AT THE APARTMENT BUILDING LIKE, "WHAT HAPPENED?" 357 00:20:25,892 --> 00:20:27,260 >> Reporter: AND INVESTIGATORS WANTED TO SPEAK TO ANOTHER 358 00:20:27,260 --> 00:20:28,495 WITNESS -- THAT NEIGHBOR WHO'D GONE INTO MINDY'S APARTMENT WITH 359 00:20:28,495 --> 00:20:30,663 DANIELLE >> GOOD AFTERNOON, ROBERT. 360 00:20:30,663 --> 00:20:37,937 >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> Reporter: HIS NAME WAS 361 00:20:37,937 --> 00:20:42,809 ROBERT LYNDS HE WENT DOWN TO THE STATION TO 362 00:20:42,809 --> 00:21:04,564 GIVE HIS STATEMENT TO CAL DUPREE AND ANOTHER INVESTIGATOR 363 00:21:04,564 --> 00:21:06,166 >>> JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, ROBERT 364 00:21:06,166 --> 00:21:07,200 UM - >> ANYTHING YOU NEED 365 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,904 >> Reporter: INVESTIGATORS WERE SPEAKING TO ONE OF 366 00:21:10,904 --> 00:21:12,572 MINDY MORGENSTERN'S NEIGHBORS, ROBERT LYNDS, THE MAN WHO WENT 367 00:21:12,572 --> 00:21:18,311 INTO MINDY'S APARTMENT WITH HER FRIEND DANIELLE. 368 00:21:18,311 --> 00:21:22,549 >> I PERSONALLY THINK HE IS A GOOD PERSON BECAUSE HE CAME WITH 369 00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:28,355 ME >> Reporter: I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO 370 00:21:28,355 --> 00:21:29,422 ELIMINATE EVERYBODY. >> YEAH, THEY DID. 371 00:21:29,422 --> 00:21:40,500 >> Reporter: BY HIS OWN ACCOUNT, ROBERT LOOKED OUT OF PLACE IN 372 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:44,838 VALLEY CITY. >> YOU KNOW, I GOT TATTOOS AND I 373 00:21:44,838 --> 00:21:46,306 LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM EVERYBODY AROUND HERE. 374 00:21:46,306 --> 00:21:47,540 >> YEAH. >> NOT A FARMER. 375 00:21:47,540 --> 00:21:50,010 >> Reporter: NO, HE WAS A SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TRANSPLANT 376 00:21:50,010 --> 00:21:51,644 WHO'D BLOWN INTO TOWN A FEW MONTHS BEFORE MINDY'S MURDER 377 00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:55,281 IN THAT SHORT TIME, THOUGH, HE SAID MINDY HAD LEFT AN 378 00:21:55,281 --> 00:21:57,017 IMPRESSION >> I KNEW HER IN PASSING, SEEING 379 00:21:57,017 --> 00:21:57,951 HER EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW. >> OKAY. 380 00:21:57,951 --> 00:21:59,119 >> SHE WAS ALWAYS FRIENDLY AND WHEN SHE WALKED BY, YOU FELT 381 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,253 HER SPIRIT, YOU KNOW YOU FELT LIKE, "HEY, THAT'S A 382 00:22:00,253 --> 00:22:01,221 GOOD PERSON. >> Reporter: AND YET HERE AT THE 383 00:22:01,221 --> 00:22:02,389 POLICE STATION, TELLING HIS STORY, NEIGHBOR ROBERT TURNED 384 00:22:02,389 --> 00:22:04,824 FROM EYEWITNESS TO PERSON OF INTEREST 385 00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:10,663 >> AND WHEN I TOUCHED HER ARM, I TOUCHED IT LIKE THIS 386 00:22:10,663 --> 00:22:11,765 >> MM-HMM. >> HE SAID HE TOUCHED HER WITH 387 00:22:11,765 --> 00:22:12,766 THE BACK OF HIS HAND TO FEEL FOR A PULSE. 388 00:22:12,766 --> 00:22:16,469 >> Reporter: WHY >> HE'D SAID HE HAD A CRIMINAL 389 00:22:16,469 --> 00:22:22,275 HISTORY IN CALIFORNIA AND THAT BE LOOKED AT AS A POSSIBLE 390 00:22:22,275 --> 00:22:23,443 SUSPECT. >> YEAH, I DID TIME IN -- WELL, 391 00:22:23,443 --> 00:22:24,711 PRISON TIME IN CALIFORNIA, YEAH. >> HOW MUCH -- HOW MUCH DID YOU 392 00:22:24,711 --> 00:22:28,748 DO, ROBERT >> MY ORIGINAL SENTENCE WAS, UM, 393 00:22:28,748 --> 00:22:36,089 TWO YEARS AND EIGHT MONTHS >> Reporter: ROBERT EXPLAINED 394 00:22:36,089 --> 00:22:37,724 WHAT HAD LANDED HIM BEHIND BARS. >> OH, I GOT POPPED, LET'S SEE, 395 00:22:37,724 --> 00:22:45,098 WITH A STOLEN CAR. I HAD A GUN. 396 00:22:45,098 --> 00:22:50,103 I HAD SOME POT >> Reporter: A MAN WITH A RECORD 397 00:22:50,103 --> 00:22:50,870 WHO WAS CONCERNED ABOUT FINGERPRINTS 398 00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:51,905 THAT WAS INTERESTING INVESTIGATORS NEEDED TO KNOW 399 00:22:51,905 --> 00:22:53,473 WHERE HE WAS IN THAT PIVOTAL WINDOW OF TIME FROM 12:30 TO 400 00:22:53,473 --> 00:23:05,085 1:00 P.M >> I WENT TO WORK. 401 00:23:05,085 --> 00:23:09,322 UH, IT WASN'T ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY, A REGULAR DAY AT 402 00:23:09,322 --> 00:23:16,229 WORK >> DID YOU WORK ALL DAY THEN 403 00:23:16,229 --> 00:23:22,068 >> YEAH. >> YOU - 404 00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:24,637 >> WELL, I TAKE LUNCH BREAK. >> WHAT TIME DO YOU USUALLY GET 405 00:23:24,637 --> 00:23:27,307 YOUR LUNCH BREAK >> I GET MY LUNCH AT NOON. 406 00:23:27,307 --> 00:23:30,577 >> OKAY. >> AND I CAN TAKE UP TO AN HOUR, 407 00:23:30,577 --> 00:23:31,745 BUT I USUALLY, ALMOST EVERY TIME, EVERY DAY, I TAKE ONLY A 408 00:23:31,745 --> 00:23:35,215 45-MINUTE LUNCH. >> Reporter: ROBERT KEPT 409 00:23:35,215 --> 00:23:36,816 TALKING, AND AGENT DUPREE KEPT LOOKING. 410 00:23:36,816 --> 00:23:38,084 >> HE HAD SOME, UH, CUTS, SCRATCHES ON HIS HANDS 411 00:23:38,084 --> 00:23:38,918 YOUR HANDS ARE REALLY CUT UP AND STUFF. 412 00:23:38,918 --> 00:23:40,086 IS THAT NORMAL FROM WORK >> YEAH, THIS IS AN EVERYDAY 413 00:23:40,086 --> 00:23:41,087 THING. SEE? 414 00:23:41,087 --> 00:23:42,489 >> HANDLING STEEL AND SO FORTH >> YEAH, ALL DAY LONG IN STEEL 415 00:23:42,489 --> 00:23:44,224 I GET CUT PRETTY BAD, CONSTANTLY 416 00:23:44,224 --> 00:23:47,394 WE ALL DO. >> WELL, WHAT'S YOUR FINGER 417 00:23:47,394 --> 00:23:51,598 THERE -- WHAT'S HAPPENED THERE I SEE YOU GOT -- I SEE YOU GOT A 418 00:23:51,598 --> 00:23:55,835 BAND-AID ON IT >> YEAH. 419 00:23:55,835 --> 00:24:00,674 I CUT -- I CUT IT TODAY RIGHT ALONG HERE ON A PIECE OF STEEL 420 00:24:00,674 --> 00:24:01,875 >> Reporter: DID ROBERT GET THOSE CUTS AT HIS JOB AT A STEEL 421 00:24:01,875 --> 00:24:02,809 MANUFACTURING PLANT, OR WHILE STABBING MINDY 422 00:24:02,809 --> 00:24:09,616 >> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SUBMIT, UH, SOME CHEEK SWABS 423 00:24:09,616 --> 00:24:11,718 FOR -- >> DNA OR -- SURE. 424 00:24:11,718 --> 00:24:12,752 >> WE'RE DOING THAT WITH EVERYBODY. 425 00:24:12,752 --> 00:24:14,421 >> ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY, FINGERPRINTS, SWABS, WHATEVER 426 00:24:14,421 --> 00:24:15,488 YOU WANT >> Reporter: SO THE END OF THE 427 00:24:15,488 --> 00:24:17,057 INTERVIEW, HE'S WALKING AWAY FROM YOU 428 00:24:17,057 --> 00:24:18,591 WHAT -- WHAT WERE YOU THINKING >> I'M THINKING I'M GONNA REALLY 429 00:24:18,591 --> 00:24:22,796 HAVE TO CHECK THIS GUY'S ALIBI OUT. 430 00:24:22,796 --> 00:24:24,397 HE WAS DEFINITELY A PERSON OF INTEREST 431 00:24:24,397 --> 00:24:26,499 >> Reporter: I WOULD THINK, FIRST MALE AROUND. 432 00:24:26,499 --> 00:24:31,304 >> YEAH, STRANGER TO THE AREA. >> Reporter: BUT INVESTIGATORS 433 00:24:31,304 --> 00:24:32,305 HAD OTHER AVENUES TO PURSUE AS WELL 434 00:24:32,305 --> 00:24:37,610 ONE BY ONE, THEY TALKED TO MINDY'S FRIENDS. 435 00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:38,778 AN AGENT DROVE TO NEW SALEM WHERE HER PARENTS AND SIBLINGS 436 00:24:38,778 --> 00:24:50,824 HAD GATHERED MINDY'S MOM EUNICE WAS 437 00:24:50,824 --> 00:24:52,425 SHATTERED, TORMENTED BY A THOUGHT. 438 00:24:52,425 --> 00:24:53,460 COULD SHE HAVE SAVED HER DAUGHTER 439 00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:58,231 SHE'D PLANNED TO VISIT MINDY THE VERY DAY IT HAPPENED, BUT AT THE 440 00:24:58,231 --> 00:24:59,399 LAST MINUTE DECIDED NOT TO GO. >> I TALKED TO HER THE NIGHT 441 00:24:59,399 --> 00:25:04,204 BEFORE, AND SHE SAID, "IT'S OKAY IF YOU DON'T COME, MOM 442 00:25:04,204 --> 00:25:06,172 I KNOW YOU'RE TIRED. AND WE HAD SOME THINGS GOING ON 443 00:25:06,172 --> 00:25:07,807 AT HOME. >> Reporter: SHE WRESTLED WITH 444 00:25:07,807 --> 00:25:08,875 THE GUILT. >> I REALLY FELT LIKE I SHOULD 445 00:25:08,875 --> 00:25:10,043 BE THERE AND PROTECT HER AND I WASN'T THERE WHEN SHE 446 00:25:10,043 --> 00:25:12,612 NEEDED ME. AND I HAD TO REALLY WORK THROUGH 447 00:25:12,612 --> 00:25:16,182 THAT I JUST WANTED TO CHANGE IT 448 00:25:16,182 --> 00:25:17,250 I WANTED TO GO BACK AND MAKE IT DIFFERENT. 449 00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:20,420 >> Reporter: YOU NEED A REWIND TAPE OR SOMETHING. 450 00:25:20,420 --> 00:25:26,226 >> YEAH. I WANTED TO RESCUE HER 451 00:25:26,226 --> 00:25:36,302 >> Reporter: STILL, INVESTIGATORS HAD TO KNOW IF 452 00:25:36,302 --> 00:25:37,871 THEY HAD ANY IDEAS WHO MIGHT HAVE DONE THIS TO MINDY. 453 00:25:37,871 --> 00:25:41,574 >> I MEAN, SHE DIDN'T HAVE REALLY ANY ENEMIES, AND SO IT 454 00:25:41,574 --> 00:25:51,618 JUST WAS HARD TO COMPREHEND THAT SOMEBODY WOULD WANNA TAKE HER 455 00:25:51,618 --> 00:25:53,319 OUT, YOU KNOW? >> Reporter: BUT THERE WAS THIS 456 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:54,287 ONE THING THE FAMILY HAD HEARD ABOUT. 457 00:25:54,287 --> 00:25:55,689 JUST WEEKS BEFORE THE MURDER, MINDY HAD A SCARY ENCOUNTER. 458 00:25:55,689 --> 00:25:58,525 AND SHE CALLED HER OLD FRIEND ASHLEY IN HYSTERICS. 459 00:25:58,525 --> 00:25:59,559 >> I WAS SAYING, "WHAT IS -- WHAT'S WRONG 460 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:00,627 WHAT'S GOING ON? ARE YOU OKAY?" 461 00:26:00,627 --> 00:26:02,228 AND SHE WAS SO BESIDE HERSELF. SHE WAS SAYING, "SOMEBODY WAS 462 00:26:02,228 --> 00:26:07,033 TRYING TO TAKE ME. SOMEBODY WAS TRYING TO TAKE ME." 463 00:26:07,033 --> 00:26:08,101 AND I'M LIKE, "WHAT? >> Reporter: MINDY WAS OUTSIDE 464 00:26:08,101 --> 00:26:09,669 HER APARTMENT WHEN IT HAPPENED A MAN IN A BLUE CAR, SHE SAID, 465 00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:18,578 ROLLED DOWN HIS WINDOW, ASKED HER FOR DIRECTIONS 466 00:26:18,578 --> 00:26:22,315 AND THEN - >> THE PERSON PUT THE CAR IN 467 00:26:22,315 --> 00:26:24,918 PARK AND GOT OUT OF THE CAR AND WAS RUNNING TOWARDS HER. 468 00:26:24,918 --> 00:26:33,893 SO SHE RAN BACK IN THE BUILDING. >> SHE WAS FREAKED OUT 469 00:26:33,893 --> 00:26:45,071 I REMEMBER EUNICE TELLING HER, "JUST RELAX, AND IF YOU NEED TO, 470 00:26:45,071 --> 00:26:48,708 CALL 911." YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE YOU GET A 471 00:26:48,708 --> 00:26:50,076 GOOD DESCRIPTION AND, YOU KNOW -- AND CALL THE POLICE. 472 00:26:50,076 --> 00:26:51,077 >> Reporter: MINDY DID FILE A POLICE REPORT. 473 00:26:51,077 --> 00:26:55,582 BUT BACK THEN, PEOPLE IN HER LIFE DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO 474 00:26:55,582 --> 00:26:57,717 MAKE OF IT AS OUTGOING AS MINDY WAS, HER 475 00:26:57,717 --> 00:27:00,854 COLLEGE FRIENDS SAID, SHE ALSO SPOOKED EASILY 476 00:27:00,854 --> 00:27:02,489 >> WE USED TO JOKE THAT MINDY WAS SCARED OF HER OWN SHADOW 477 00:27:02,489 --> 00:27:03,757 >> Reporter: IT'S AN INTERESTING COMBINATION, ISN'T IT? 478 00:27:03,757 --> 00:27:04,557 VERY OUTGOING -- >> YEAH. 479 00:27:04,557 --> 00:27:05,725 >> UH-HUH. >> Reporter: VERY BUBBLY, AND 480 00:27:05,725 --> 00:27:15,135 YET TIMID AT THE SAME TIME >> YEAH. 481 00:27:15,135 --> 00:27:16,236 >> EXACTLY VERY TIMID AT THE SAME TIME. 482 00:27:16,236 --> 00:27:17,671 >> I REMEMBER THINKING, "OH, MINDY, YOU'RE BEING SILLY. 483 00:27:17,671 --> 00:27:19,372 YOU KNOW -- YOU KNOW, "JUST -- YOU'RE GONNA BE OKAY." 484 00:27:19,372 --> 00:27:20,807 AND -- >> Reporter: SHE HAD A WAY OF -- 485 00:27:20,807 --> 00:27:21,808 A WAY OF DRAMATIZING THINGS I THINK, DIDN'T SHE? 486 00:27:21,808 --> 00:27:22,676 >> YEAH. THAT SEEMED LIKE SHE -- I GUESS 487 00:27:22,676 --> 00:27:23,777 I THOUGHT SHE WAS OVER-DRAMATIZING IT. 488 00:27:23,777 --> 00:27:29,749 >> Reporter: BUT NOW THAT SHE WAS DEAD, INVESTIGATORS WOULD 489 00:27:29,749 --> 00:27:30,650 LOOK HARD FOR THAT STRANGER IN THE BLUE CAR 490 00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:31,851 WHILE AT THE SAME TIME THEY NEEDED TO GET TO KNOW THE PEOPLE 491 00:27:31,851 --> 00:27:33,053 CLOSEST TO MINDY'S CIRCLE, PEOPLE WHO LOVED HER AND PEOPLE 492 00:27:33,053 --> 00:27:34,220 SHE LOVED. JUST NOT AT THE SAME TIME, OR 493 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:39,459 MAYBE IN THE SAME WAY. IT'S COMPLICATED, LOVE IS. 494 00:27:39,459 --> 00:27:44,197 ESPECIALLY IN A MURDER INVESTIGATION. 495 00:27:44,197 --> 00:27:45,899 TIME TO TALK TO THE BOYFRIENDS >> HOW DO YOU SPELL YOUR LAST 496 00:27:45,899 --> 00:27:46,833 NAME AGAIN, JORDAN >> RANUM 497 00:27:46,833 --> 00:27:48,401 R-A-N-U-M. >> WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER 498 00:28:08,355 --> 00:28:16,329 >> Reporter: IT ALL BUT DID THEM IN, THE LOSS OF THEIR MINDY. 499 00:28:16,329 --> 00:28:17,464 OVER AND OVER, LARRY AND EUNICE MORGENSTERN REPLAYED THE 500 00:28:17,464 --> 00:28:19,466 LAST TIME THEY'D SEEN THEIR DAUGHTER -- ON A RECENT VISIT 501 00:28:19,466 --> 00:28:21,101 HOME AND THEN, AS SHE SET OUT TO 502 00:28:21,101 --> 00:28:24,237 RETURN TO COLLEGE -- >> NORMALLY WE SAY, YOU KNOW, 503 00:28:24,237 --> 00:28:26,339 GOOD-BYE AND WATCH HER DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD. 504 00:28:26,339 --> 00:28:28,441 AND SHE DROVE DOWN THE ROAD. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE CAR 505 00:28:28,441 --> 00:28:31,644 STOPPED, AND SHE BACKED UP AGAIN. 506 00:28:31,644 --> 00:28:35,348 AND SHE CAME RUNNING BACK, AND SHE GAVE ME A HUG. 507 00:28:35,348 --> 00:28:36,950 AND SHE SAID, "DAD, I LOVE YOU." AND SHE HAD NEVER DONE THAT 508 00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:39,552 BEFORE AND THAT WAS THE LAST TIME WE 509 00:28:39,552 --> 00:28:40,620 SEEN HER >> Reporter: OH, MY GOSH 510 00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:43,823 >> SOMETHING WAS -- WAS WORKING BEHIND THE SCENE THAT WAS -- 511 00:28:43,823 --> 00:28:46,960 SOMETHING WAS GONNA HAPPEN, AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, AND 512 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:54,601 SHE DIDN'T EITHER. >> Reporter: HE HANGS ON TO IT 513 00:28:54,601 --> 00:28:55,735 EVEN NOW, THE MOMENT AS REAL AS IF IT HAPPENED THIS VERY 514 00:28:55,735 --> 00:28:56,603 MORNING. BUT BACK THEN, BACK ON THE AWFUL 515 00:28:56,603 --> 00:28:59,105 DAY EUNICE AND LARRY LEARNED OF HER DEATH, INVESTIGATORS WERE 516 00:28:59,105 --> 00:29:04,377 JUST BEGINNING TO WRESTLE WITH THE QUESTIONS WHO DID THAT TO 517 00:29:04,377 --> 00:29:09,683 HER, AND WHY >> ANYBODY THAT, UH, WE THOUGHT 518 00:29:09,683 --> 00:29:10,717 KNEW HER MUCH AT ALL, WE WANTED TO INTERVIEW 519 00:29:10,717 --> 00:29:13,353 >> Reporter: LIKE MINDY'S BOYFRIENDS 520 00:29:13,353 --> 00:29:16,556 WHAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF BOYFRIENDS IN A SITUATION LIKE 521 00:29:16,556 --> 00:29:17,691 THIS >> A LOT OF THESE TYPE OF CASES, 522 00:29:17,691 --> 00:29:20,260 IT'S USUALLY SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS THE VICTIM PRETTY WELL 523 00:29:20,260 --> 00:29:24,030 AND YOU ALWAYS LOOK AT THE BOYFRIEND OR A CLOSE FRIEND OR 524 00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:26,599 EX-BOYFRIEND AS PERSONS OF INTEREST 525 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:32,939 >> Reporter: MINDY'S BOYFRIEND AT THE TIME OF HER MURDER WAS 526 00:29:32,939 --> 00:29:35,575 FROM A LOCAL FARMING FAMILY. JORDAN RANUM 527 00:29:35,575 --> 00:29:40,347 THEY'D BEEN TOGETHER FOR OVER A YEAR 528 00:29:40,347 --> 00:29:45,085 SOFT-SPOKEN, CLEAN-CUT, JORDAN ZIPPED AROUND TOWN IN A 529 00:29:45,085 --> 00:29:53,059 BRAND-NEW CORVETTE AND HIS LIFE, JUST LIKE MINDY'S, 530 00:29:53,059 --> 00:29:55,128 REVOLVED AROUND HIS FAITH. >> WENT TO SAME CHURCH AS MINDY. 531 00:29:55,128 --> 00:30:01,434 I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY MET WAS AT CHURCH. 532 00:30:01,434 --> 00:30:05,672 PRETTY GOOD KID. NO -- AS FAR AS I KNOW, HE HAD 533 00:30:05,672 --> 00:30:07,273 NO CRIMINAL RECORD OR CRIMINAL HISTORY OF ANY KIND. 534 00:30:07,273 --> 00:30:08,942 >> Reporter: JORDAN SEEMED COMPLETELY DEVOTED TO MINDY. 535 00:30:08,942 --> 00:30:12,545 HE CHAUFFEURED HER EVERYWHERE, OFTEN TOOK HER HOME TO SPEND 536 00:30:12,545 --> 00:30:15,181 TIME WITH HIS FAMILY >> HE'S A WONDERFUL GUY. 537 00:30:15,181 --> 00:30:17,317 >> MINDY WAS VERY OUTGOING, ALWAYS HAD TO BE DOING 538 00:30:17,317 --> 00:30:18,485 SOMETHING. AND JORDAN WAS NOT THAT WAY, BUT 539 00:30:18,485 --> 00:30:22,055 HE SUPPORTED HER AND LOVED HER SO MUCH. 540 00:30:22,055 --> 00:30:25,759 >> Reporter: MAYBE MORE THAN SHE LOVED HIM. 541 00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:31,097 WHAT DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THE NATURE OF THAT RELATIONSHIP? 542 00:30:31,097 --> 00:30:32,265 >> I THINK THERE WERE A FEW WITNESS THAT INDICATED THAT HE 543 00:30:32,265 --> 00:30:34,801 THOUGHT THERE WAS A LOT MORE TO THE RELATIONSHIP THAN SHE DID. 544 00:30:34,801 --> 00:30:36,336 >> Reporter: SO A RELATIONSHIP OUT OF BALANCE 545 00:30:36,336 --> 00:30:39,506 WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME SUCH A THING BECAME A MOTIVE FOR 546 00:30:39,506 --> 00:30:43,443 MURDER MINDY'S BROTHER-IN-LAW JASON HAD 547 00:30:43,443 --> 00:30:48,048 HIS OWN OPINIONS HE THOUGHT JORDAN HAD A JEALOUS 548 00:30:48,048 --> 00:30:49,215 STREAK, WAS A BIT CONTROLLING. DID YOU HAVE IDEAS EARLY ON 549 00:30:49,215 --> 00:30:53,787 ABOUT WHO MIGHT'VE DONE THIS TO HER? 550 00:30:53,787 --> 00:30:56,423 >> I FELT LIKE IT WAS THE JEALOUS BOYFRIEND. 551 00:30:56,423 --> 00:30:58,992 >> Reporter: WAS JORDAN PARTICULARLY POSSESSIVE? 552 00:30:58,992 --> 00:31:02,228 >> IN MY OPINION, YES. THERE WERE TIMES WHEN SHE'D COME 553 00:31:02,228 --> 00:31:04,564 OUT TO VISIT THE FARM -- HE WOULD SHOW UP UNANNOUNCED AND 554 00:31:04,564 --> 00:31:07,067 WANNA HAVE HER LEAVE AND GO WITH HIM. 555 00:31:07,067 --> 00:31:08,568 AND SHE LITERALLY HAD TO TELL HIM, "LEAVE US ALONE." 556 00:31:08,568 --> 00:31:13,873 >> Reporter: JORDAN CAME IN FOR AN INTERVIEW 557 00:31:13,873 --> 00:31:14,908 INVESTIGATORS SAID HE SEEMED EAGER TO HELP THEM 558 00:31:14,908 --> 00:31:17,077 >> WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE NIGHT BEFORE, AND THEN TAKE 559 00:31:17,077 --> 00:31:19,145 US RIGHT THROUGH THE DAY OKAY 560 00:31:19,145 --> 00:31:21,815 >> OKAY. WE WENT OUT TO STOP-N-GO 561 00:31:21,815 --> 00:31:29,222 WE GOT SOMETHING TO DRINK. WE RENTED A MOVIE. 562 00:31:29,222 --> 00:31:31,324 NEXT MORNING, SHE WOKE UP. SHE CALLED ME AT EXACTLY 10:45 563 00:31:31,324 --> 00:31:34,494 >> Reporter: JORDAN SAID THEY ONLY SPOKE ONCE THAT DAY, AND 564 00:31:34,494 --> 00:31:39,299 THAT WAS UNUSUAL FOR MINDY >> SHE CALLED ME TEN TIMES A 565 00:31:39,299 --> 00:31:43,103 DAY. AND THIS -- THIS DAY, SHE JUST 566 00:31:43,103 --> 00:31:45,605 NEVER CALLED BACK. >> Reporter: JORDAN PROVIDED HIS 567 00:31:45,605 --> 00:31:51,444 WHEREABOUTS AT THE TIME OF MINDY'S MURDER 568 00:31:51,444 --> 00:31:52,612 HE'D BEEN WORKING ON THE FAMILY FARM 569 00:31:52,612 --> 00:31:56,716 INVESTIGATORS ASKED HIM FOR A SAMPLE OF HIS DNA AND IF HE'D 570 00:31:56,716 --> 00:31:57,784 SIT FOR A POLYGRAPH. HE AGREED. 571 00:31:57,784 --> 00:32:04,624 >> ON SEPTEMBER 13th, DID YOU PHYSICALLY HARM MINDY AND CAUSE 572 00:32:04,624 --> 00:32:06,059 HER DEATH? >> NO. 573 00:32:06,059 --> 00:32:07,293 >> HE WAS SO EMOTIONAL DURING THE WHOLE THING THAT THE 574 00:32:07,293 --> 00:32:10,063 POLYGRAPH RESULT WAS -- WAS INCONCLUSIVE AS TO WHETHER HE 575 00:32:10,063 --> 00:32:15,735 WAS TELLING THE TRUTH OR NOT >> YOU KNOW, YOU -- YOU'RE 576 00:32:15,735 --> 00:32:20,473 CONCENTRATING TOO MUCH ON YOUR BREATHING. 577 00:32:20,473 --> 00:32:23,643 >> I KNOW. I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, AND 578 00:32:23,643 --> 00:32:24,844 HONESTLY, THIS IS STRESSFUL. >> Reporter: WAS IT GUILT MAKING 579 00:32:24,844 --> 00:32:29,482 HIM SQUIRM, OR AN ALL ENCOMPASSING, HEART CRUSHING 580 00:32:29,482 --> 00:32:30,583 GRIEF? MINDY'S COLLEGE FRIENDS BECKY 581 00:32:30,583 --> 00:32:31,985 AND LIZ WOULD SURELY HAVE SAID THE LATTER 582 00:32:31,985 --> 00:32:33,253 DID YOU EVER THINK THAT HE COULD HAVE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH HER 583 00:32:33,253 --> 00:32:33,787 DEATH? >> I NEVER DID 584 00:32:33,787 --> 00:32:37,390 I NEVER THOUGHT JORDAN >> I SAID NO 585 00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:41,094 THERE'S NO WAY THERE WAS NOT AN INKLING THAT 586 00:32:41,094 --> 00:32:44,831 JORDAN - >> NEVER RED FLAGS FOR JORDAN. 587 00:32:44,831 --> 00:32:49,102 >> -- COULD HAVE DONE THAT >> Reporter: INVESTIGATORS TOLD 588 00:32:49,102 --> 00:32:54,307 JORDAN HE WAS FREE TO GO, AND HE DID. 589 00:32:54,307 --> 00:32:59,646 THEY JUST HAD TO VERIFY HIS ALIBI. 590 00:32:59,646 --> 00:33:02,349 BUT JORDAN WASN'T THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT OTHER. 591 00:33:02,349 --> 00:33:03,483 KYLE KUZNIA WAS MINDY'S EX, HER BOYFRIEND BEFORE JORDAN. 592 00:33:03,483 --> 00:33:04,384 >> HE WAS DEFINITELY THE LOVE OF HER LIFE 593 00:33:04,384 --> 00:33:05,418 >> THEY REALLY CONNECTED RIGHT AWAY 594 00:33:05,418 --> 00:33:09,656 >> HE WAS VERY POPULAR HE WAS ATHLETIC. 595 00:33:09,656 --> 00:33:10,857 >> AND HE ALSO WAS RELIGIOUS HE ALSO HAD A STRONG FAITH, AND 596 00:33:10,857 --> 00:33:17,597 HE WAS YOUR TRADITIONAL BOYFRIEND. 597 00:33:17,597 --> 00:33:31,878 >> Reporter: KYLE MET MINDY WHEN SHE WAS A FRESHMAN AND HE WAS A 598 00:33:31,878 --> 00:33:35,582 JUNIOR THEY DATED FOR 2 1/2 YEARS 599 00:33:35,582 --> 00:33:37,217 KYLE OFTEN WENT TO THE MORGENSTERN FARM WITH MINDY. 600 00:33:37,217 --> 00:33:38,485 AND THE FAMILY LIKED HIM, EMBRACED HIM AS ONE OF THEIR 601 00:33:38,485 --> 00:33:42,789 OWN. >> AND HE KNEW HOW TO HANDLE 602 00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:53,600 HER, IF SHE COULD BE HANDLED >> YEAH. 603 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,669 >> HE JUST HAD A REALLY SPECIAL WAY WITH DEALING WITH HER 604 00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:56,803 BUBBLY, OUTGOING PERSONALITY >> AND MINDY LOVED HIM A LOT 605 00:33:56,803 --> 00:34:00,407 SHE THOUGHT SHE WOULD GET MARRIED TO HIM ONE DAY 606 00:34:00,407 --> 00:34:05,245 SHE HAD HER SONG PICKED OUT ALREADY, "CANON IN D," AND THE 607 00:34:05,245 --> 00:34:07,280 KIND OF DRESS SHE WANTED >> Reporter: OH, BUT YOUNG LOVE. 608 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,615 THERE WOULD BE NO WEDDING. MORE THAN A YEAR BEFORE THE 609 00:34:08,615 --> 00:34:13,620 MURDER, MINDY AND KYLE BROKE UP. AND AS BREAKUPS OFTEN DO, IT 610 00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:18,892 LEFT RAW, HARD FEELINGS IN ITS WAKE 611 00:34:37,210 --> 00:34:44,084 >> Reporter: IN ONE TERRIBLE DAY, THIS ONCE SAFE, TRANQUIL 612 00:34:44,084 --> 00:34:51,491 COLLEGE TOWN CHANGED >> IT WAS LIKE MY LIFE STOPPED 613 00:34:51,491 --> 00:34:56,363 I COULDN'T GO ANYWHERE AND DO ANYTHING BECAUSE I HAD SUCH BAD 614 00:34:56,363 --> 00:34:57,630 ANXIETY. >> IF YOU WEREN'T SAFE IN 615 00:34:57,630 --> 00:34:58,898 VALLEY CITY, NORTH DAKOTA -- >> YOU'RE NOT SAFE ANYWHERE. 616 00:34:58,898 --> 00:35:02,068 >> AND MINDY, OF ALL PEOPLE, WHO WOULD HURT MINDY 617 00:35:02,068 --> 00:35:04,204 LIKE THE OUTGOING, FUN, CARING, COMPASSIONATE GIRL THAT 618 00:35:04,204 --> 00:35:07,874 EVERYBODY LOVED. >> Reporter: HUNKERED DOWN IN 619 00:35:07,874 --> 00:35:10,043 VALLEY CITY'S LITTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT, INVESTIGATORS WERE 620 00:35:10,043 --> 00:35:13,179 WORKING HARD TO QUELL ALL THAT FEAR 621 00:35:13,179 --> 00:35:15,315 >> WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER HERE 622 00:35:15,315 --> 00:35:16,916 >> Reporter: THEY WERE TALKING TO MINDY'S EX, THE MAN SHE'D 623 00:35:16,916 --> 00:35:17,951 THOUGHT OF AS THE LOVE OF HER LIFE 624 00:35:17,951 --> 00:35:25,625 KYLE KUZNIA. THEY ASKED FOR DNA AND 625 00:35:25,625 --> 00:35:28,061 FINGERPRINTS >> YOU HAVE GOOD TEETH 626 00:35:28,061 --> 00:35:30,130 >> WELL, THANK YOU >> Reporter: KYLE TOLD THEM THE 627 00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:33,266 STORY -- A STORY, ANYWAY, ABOUT HIS LIFE WITH MINDY. 628 00:35:33,266 --> 00:35:35,935 THEY GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER, HE SAID, HOMECOMING WEEKEND OF 629 00:35:35,935 --> 00:35:38,538 2002 >> I WAS, I GUESS CROWNED 630 00:35:38,538 --> 00:35:39,739 HOMECOMING KING, AND -- AND AFTER THAT WE JUST HAD PIZZA AND 631 00:35:39,739 --> 00:35:42,275 JUST KINDA HUNG OUT, I GUESS, FOR A COUPLE HOURS 632 00:35:42,275 --> 00:35:45,445 AND IT JUST KIND OF PROGRESSED FROM THERE 633 00:35:45,445 --> 00:35:47,080 >> Reporter: THE RELATIONSHIP LASTED TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AND 634 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,149 KYLE DESCRIBED IT AS WELL, UP AND DOWN 635 00:35:49,149 --> 00:35:53,386 >> IT WAS, I GUESS, REALLY HARD AND KIND OF A ROCKY 636 00:35:53,386 --> 00:35:56,089 RELATIONSHIP IT JUST SEEMED LIKE WE WERE 637 00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:57,891 ALWAYS ARGUING >> Reporter: IT DIDN'T HELP WHEN 638 00:35:57,891 --> 00:36:02,896 KYLE GRADUATED AND MOVED ABOUT AN HOUR AWAY 639 00:36:02,896 --> 00:36:07,667 IT WASN'T VERY FAR BUT - >> SHE WAS ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT 640 00:36:07,667 --> 00:36:10,837 ME FINDING ANOTHER GIRL OR FEMALE DOWN IN FARGO 641 00:36:10,837 --> 00:36:15,075 AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 642 00:36:15,075 --> 00:36:17,711 I SAID, IT'S YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TOGETHER 643 00:36:17,711 --> 00:36:18,778 >> Reporter: STILL, HE SAID DATING LONG-DISTANCE WAS 644 00:36:18,778 --> 00:36:22,482 DIFFICULT. THERE WAS WORK, SCHOOL, OTHER 645 00:36:22,482 --> 00:36:26,186 FRIENDS, OTHER GUYS AROUND MINDY, ALL COMPETING FOR HER 646 00:36:26,186 --> 00:36:27,253 ATTENTION. THE RELATIONSHIP DID NOT 647 00:36:27,253 --> 00:36:28,321 SURVIVE. >> I SAID IT JUST -- I DON'T 648 00:36:28,321 --> 00:36:29,356 THINK IT'S WORKING >> Reporter: AND MINDY 649 00:36:29,356 --> 00:36:31,491 >> MINDY WAS BROKENHEARTED AND MINDY WANTED TO DO 650 00:36:31,491 --> 00:36:32,726 EVERYTHING SHE COULD TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT IN THEIR 651 00:36:32,726 --> 00:36:33,660 RELATIONSHIP >> Reporter: SHE WANTED TO GET 652 00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:36,262 HIM BACK >> SHE REALIZED THEY WERE YOUNG 653 00:36:36,262 --> 00:36:39,933 AND SHE ALWAYS LOVED KYLE. >> SHE KEPT SAYING, "JAY, HOW 654 00:36:39,933 --> 00:36:41,501 CAN I GET KYLE BACK? YOU KNOW, "HE'S THE LOVE OF MY 655 00:36:41,501 --> 00:36:43,203 LIFE." AND YOU KNOW, "WHAT CAN I DO?" 656 00:36:43,203 --> 00:36:52,112 AND IT -- SHE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT ALSO ABOUT, YOU 657 00:36:52,112 --> 00:36:57,917 KNOW, BEING -- TRUSTING THAT GOD HAD A PLAN 658 00:36:57,917 --> 00:37:03,023 >> Reporter: KYLE MOVED ON MET SOMEONE ELSE 659 00:37:03,023 --> 00:37:04,257 SAID HE DIDN'T TALK TO MINDY ANYMORE, EXCEPT ONE NIGHT, ABOUT 660 00:37:04,257 --> 00:37:08,128 SEVEN MONTHS BEFORE SHE WAS MURDERED 661 00:37:08,128 --> 00:37:13,266 HE SAID, SHE CAME BY HIS PLACE AND WANTED TO TALK 662 00:37:13,266 --> 00:37:16,036 HE WANTED HER TO LEAVE >> SO I JUST -- I SAID, I DON'T 663 00:37:16,036 --> 00:37:17,037 HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO YOU. I SAID, PLEASE LEAVE 664 00:37:17,037 --> 00:37:19,606 AND SO, FINALLY SHE -- SHE LEFT CRYING THAT NIGHT. 665 00:37:19,606 --> 00:37:22,776 >> Reporter: SOUNDED KIND OF UGLY, THE SORT OF THING THAT 666 00:37:22,776 --> 00:37:26,479 GETS A HOMICIDE DETECTIVE'S ATTENTION. 667 00:37:26,479 --> 00:37:30,717 BUT SITTING THERE IN THE INTERVIEW ROOM, DAYS AFTER THE 668 00:37:30,717 --> 00:37:38,324 MURDER, KYLE SEEMED TO REGRET HOW HE ACTED 669 00:37:38,324 --> 00:37:39,526 >> NOW, LOOKING BACK, I -- I FEEL -- I FEEL A LITTLE BAD THAT 670 00:37:39,526 --> 00:37:44,464 MAYBE I COULD HAVE HANDLED IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT 671 00:37:44,464 --> 00:37:50,303 I GUESS AS FAR AS MAYBE JUST LETTING HER TALK BUT, YOU KNOW, 672 00:37:50,303 --> 00:37:55,575 I JUST DIDN'T KNOW PERSONALLY WHAT, I MEAN, WHAT ELSE TO DO 673 00:37:55,575 --> 00:37:57,177 OTHER THAN JUST -- JUST SAY LEAVE. 674 00:37:57,177 --> 00:37:57,877 SO - >> HAVE YOU HAD ANY OTHER 675 00:37:57,877 --> 00:37:59,079 CONTACT WITH HER SINCE THEN? >> NO, THAT WAS -- THAT WAS THE 676 00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:03,016 LAST TIME I -- I EVER TALKED TO HER. 677 00:38:03,016 --> 00:38:05,618 >> Reporter: BUT -- NOW THIS WAS INTERESTING. 678 00:38:05,618 --> 00:38:07,754 KYLE TOLD THEM THAT MINDY HAD STAYED IN TOUCH WITH SOMEONE 679 00:38:07,754 --> 00:38:16,196 VERY CLOSE TO HIM. HIS FATHER, RODNEY 680 00:38:16,196 --> 00:38:18,932 >> LIKE HIM AND HER WOULD CONTINUE TO TALK AND HE'D CALL 681 00:38:18,932 --> 00:38:22,535 ME AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WELL, MINDY'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING 682 00:38:22,535 --> 00:38:23,703 ON OR THIS IS GOING ON >> KYLE KUZNIA'S FATHER, RODNEY 683 00:38:23,703 --> 00:38:24,938 MAINTAINED CONTACT WITH MINDY. AND WOULD CALL HER ON THE PHONE 684 00:38:24,938 --> 00:38:26,773 CONSTANTLY, WOULD COME AND VISIT HER -- 685 00:38:26,773 --> 00:38:31,544 >> Reporter: HOW OFTEN DID HE CALL HER 686 00:38:31,544 --> 00:38:37,050 >> MINDY'S FRIENDS SAID THAT "HE WOULD CALL SEVERAL TIMES A DAY." 687 00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:41,054 AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT -- SOMETIME LATER IT MAYBE SCALED 688 00:38:41,054 --> 00:38:42,088 BACK TO, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK 689 00:38:42,088 --> 00:38:43,156 BUT NEVER REALLY -- NEVER REALLY QUIT 690 00:38:43,156 --> 00:38:44,724 >> Reporter: KINDA CREEPY. >> KINDA CREEPY. 691 00:38:44,724 --> 00:38:45,792 THAT'S A CREEPER, YEP. >> Reporter: KYLE TOLD 692 00:38:45,792 --> 00:38:46,960 INVESTIGATORS HE THOUGHT HIS DAD WAS TOO ATTACHED TO MINDY. 693 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,228 >> I EVEN ASKED MY DAD, "I WOULD APPRECIATE IT," I SAID, "IF YOU 694 00:38:48,228 --> 00:38:49,229 GUYS WOULD STOP TALKING," I SAID 695 00:38:49,229 --> 00:38:52,132 I SAID, "WHAT IS IT? I SAID, "I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S 696 00:38:52,132 --> 00:38:53,199 GOING TO TAKE FOR YOU GUYS TO STOP TALKING." 697 00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:55,301 >> Reporter: THEN, KYLE TOLD INVESTIGATORS HIS MOTHER FOUND 698 00:38:55,301 --> 00:38:59,539 OUT ABOUT ALL THOSE CALLS AND WAS ALARMED. 699 00:38:59,539 --> 00:39:00,707 >> SHE WAS OBVIOUSLY VERY UPSET WITH IT. 700 00:39:00,707 --> 00:39:04,811 AND SHE EVEN SAID THAT THAT'S WRONG BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY HE'S 701 00:39:04,811 --> 00:39:06,246 MARRIED AND HE'S, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO THIS OTHER YOUNG GAL. 702 00:39:06,246 --> 00:39:09,049 AND I SAID, YEAH, I -- I TRULY AGREE. 703 00:39:09,049 --> 00:39:10,316 I THINK IT'S WRONG TOO, MOM. >> Reporter: THE NATURE OF 704 00:39:10,316 --> 00:39:15,388 RODNEY'S FRIENDSHIP WITH MINDY WAS A PUZZLE 705 00:39:15,388 --> 00:39:15,855 WAS A PUZZLE WAS THIS A 706 00:39:15,855 --> 00:39:17,023 FATHER-DAUGHTER THING? >> SHE GENUINELY LIKED 707 00:39:17,023 --> 00:39:20,126 THE FAMILY KYLE'S DAD RODNEY WAS JUST LIKE A FATHER 708 00:39:20,126 --> 00:39:23,730 FIGURE TO HER. >> IT WAS ODD. >> I CAN'T SAY WHAT 709 00:39:23,730 --> 00:39:26,833 HIS INTENTION WAS, BUT I KNOW FOR MINDY, THAT'S ALL IT WAS, WAS 710 00:39:26,833 --> 00:39:33,139 A WAY TO KEEP SOMEWHAT CONNECTED TO KYLE. >> Reporter: SO, HOW 711 00:39:33,139 --> 00:39:37,577 WOULD THIS MUCH OLDER MAN EXPLAIN WHAT INVESTIGATORS THOUGHT 712 00:39:37,577 --> 00:39:40,213 LOOKED LIKE AN OBSESSION WITH THE YOUNG COLLEGE STUDENT? 713 00:39:40,213 --> 00:39:42,849 DID YOU BRING HIM IN >> YES, THE INVESTIGATORS DID 714 00:39:42,849 --> 00:39:46,553 BRING HIM IN >> Reporter: WHAT HE HAD TO SAY, STRANGER 715 00:39:46,553 --> 00:39:53,059 AND STRANGER >> I'M SORRY IT HAD TO HAPPEN THAT WAY IT 716 00:40:15,982 --> 00:40:19,686 >> Reporter: IN THE DAYS AFTER MINDY'S MURDER, INVESTIGATORS 717 00:40:19,686 --> 00:40:22,355 TALKED TO NEIGHBORS AND MEN SHE DATED. THEY LOOKED INTO HER 718 00:40:22,355 --> 00:40:26,593 FRIENDSHIPS. NOW THEY HAD THEIR ANTENNA UP ABOUT 719 00:40:26,593 --> 00:40:29,863 RODNEY KUZNIA, MINDY'S EX-BOYFRIEND'S FATHER. THEY BROUGHT HIM IN 720 00:40:29,863 --> 00:40:31,197 FOR QUESTIONING. >> MAKE YOURSELF COMFORTABLE. 721 00:40:31,197 --> 00:40:32,799 >> Reporter: FOR STARTERS, THE OBVIOUS QUESTION -- WHY WAS HE 722 00:40:32,799 --> 00:40:36,069 SO ATTACHED TO HIS SON'S 22-YEAR-OLD EX-GIRLFRIEND? 723 00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:38,738 >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU HAVE WITH HER 724 00:40:38,738 --> 00:40:40,840 AFTER YOUR SON BROKE UP I MEAN - 725 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:46,680 >> WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO KNOW MINDY SHE WAS QUITE THE 726 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,548 BUBBLY CHARACTER I MEAN, HER -- >> I UNDERSTAND THAT 727 00:40:48,548 --> 00:40:50,350 >> HER ACTIONS AND HER -- WELL, I'LL PUT IT THIS WAY. 728 00:40:50,350 --> 00:40:55,121 SHE REMINDED ME SO MUCH OF MY WIFE IN HER YOUNGER DAYS 729 00:40:55,121 --> 00:40:58,825 IN THE BEGINNING, THERE WASN'T MUCH. IT WAS NO BIG DEAL 730 00:40:58,825 --> 00:41:00,927 WE ONCE -- ONCE A WEEK, WE -- WE'D CHAT A LITTLE BIT FOR JUST 731 00:41:00,927 --> 00:41:07,267 A FEW -- IT'S HARD TO CATCH HER. 732 00:41:07,267 --> 00:41:08,968 IT WAS HARD TO CATCH HER AT HOME BECAUSE SHE HAD AN ANSWERING 733 00:41:08,968 --> 00:41:12,072 MACHINE. >> Reporter: RODNEY SAID AT FIRST HE AND 734 00:41:12,072 --> 00:41:19,446 MINDY USUALLY TALKED ABOUT KYLE >> SHE ALWAYS, YOU 735 00:41:19,446 --> 00:41:27,887 KNOW, BROUGHT UP MY SON'S NAME AND WAS WONDERING IF HE WAS 736 00:41:27,887 --> 00:41:29,489 STILL, UH -- THE CHANCE THERE'S -- THAT THEM GETTING BACK 737 00:41:29,489 --> 00:41:33,159 TOGETHER AGAIN WERE STILL GOOD OR NOT. >> Reporter: BUT SOON 738 00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:34,994 THEY TALKED AND TEXTED ALL THE TIME, ABOUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS. 739 00:41:34,994 --> 00:41:38,465 THEY DIDN'T STOP EVEN AFTER HIS WIFE FOUND OUT. 740 00:41:38,465 --> 00:41:41,835 RODNEY REMEMBERED THAT DIFFERENTLY FROM KYLE. >> SHE DIDN'T CARE 741 00:41:41,835 --> 00:41:43,336 >> NO. NO IT WAS NOTHING TO DO 742 00:41:43,336 --> 00:41:50,677 WITH THAT. I JUST -- I TOLD HER -- I SAID, "IT'S A 743 00:41:50,677 --> 00:41:54,314 FRIEND." I SAID, "I NEED A FRIEND." 744 00:41:54,314 --> 00:41:56,449 I SAID, "YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THE FRIEND AWAY FROM ME TOO? 745 00:41:56,449 --> 00:41:59,619 AND I THINK EVEN MY SON, KYLE, UNDERSTOOD 'CAUSE HE -- HE 746 00:41:59,619 --> 00:42:01,254 KNEW -- WHEN WE TALKED, HE SAID, "YOU STILL TALK TO MINDY? 747 00:42:01,254 --> 00:42:02,822 I SAID, "YES." HE SAID, "IF YOU FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO 748 00:42:02,822 --> 00:42:04,357 TALK TO HER, IT WAS OKAY." >> Reporter: 749 00:42:04,357 --> 00:42:05,959 FRIENDSHIP, FATHER FIGURE, OR WHAT? RODNEY SAID HE TRIED 750 00:42:05,959 --> 00:42:07,794 TO PULL AWAY FROM MINDY, BUT IT WAS COMPLICATED. 751 00:42:07,794 --> 00:42:10,497 >> SHE KNEW IT WAS LIKE A FATHER-DAUGHTER RELATIONSHIP DEAL. 752 00:42:10,497 --> 00:42:12,332 BUT YET SHE WANTED IT TO STOP TOO, AND I JUST COULDN'T LET HER 753 00:42:12,332 --> 00:42:19,539 GO I SAID, "DO YOU WANT ME TO QUIT CALLING 754 00:42:19,539 --> 00:42:23,410 YOU? AND SHE GOES, "NO, NO, NO, NO, DON'T DO 755 00:42:23,410 --> 00:42:25,578 THAT." SO THAT'S -- IF SHE WOULD HAVE SAID YEAH, 756 00:42:25,578 --> 00:42:27,313 I WOULD'VE LET HER -- I WOULD'VE LET HER GO. BUT SHE NEVER DID SAY 757 00:42:27,313 --> 00:42:28,748 ANYTHING THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I'M TELLING YOU 758 00:42:28,748 --> 00:42:30,750 GUYS HERE THAT MY WIFE WOULD PROBABLY DIVORCE ME IN A HEARTBEAT IF 759 00:42:30,750 --> 00:42:32,152 SHE WERE TO FIND OUT ABOUT. >> Reporter: WHAT DID 760 00:42:32,152 --> 00:42:35,088 THAT MEAN? INVESTIGATORS KEPT HIM TALKING. 761 00:42:35,088 --> 00:42:36,656 RODNEY REVEALED HE MET MINDY FOR MEALS. AND JUST BEFORE SHE 762 00:42:36,656 --> 00:42:38,792 WAS MURDERED, HE GAVE HER A HUNDRED DOLLARS. >> SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO 763 00:42:38,792 --> 00:42:46,199 BE FLYING DOWN TO HER -- HER BROTHER'S WEDDING IN WASHINGTON. 764 00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:49,336 SHORT OF MONEY SHE DIDN'T WANT TO ACCEPT IT. 765 00:42:49,336 --> 00:42:54,107 AND I SAID, "WELL, IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT IT" -- I SAID, "I'LL 766 00:42:54,107 --> 00:43:01,481 GO" -- TRYING TO FRIGHTEN HER, I SAID, "I'LL SPEND IT ON 767 00:43:01,481 --> 00:43:03,083 BOOZE. I'LL GO SPEND IT IN THE BAR. 768 00:43:03,083 --> 00:43:08,888 AND THEN SHE TOOK IT RIGHT AWAY SHE THOUGHT IT WAS A 769 00:43:08,888 --> 00:43:10,490 $20 BILL AND SHE OPENED IT UP AND SAID, "OH, YOU," 770 00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:12,058 YOU KNOW, "DON'T DO THAT." AND I SAID, "THAT'S 771 00:43:12,058 --> 00:43:13,760 YOUR MONEY." I SAID, "I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT HERE. 772 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,362 I SAID, "YOU'RE LIKE MY LITTLE DAUGHTER." I SAID, "I'D HELP MY 773 00:43:15,362 --> 00:43:16,830 DAUGHTERS THE SAME WAY. >> HE WOULD GIVE HER 774 00:43:16,830 --> 00:43:18,631 MONEY. HE'D EVEN DRIVE TO MAKE SPECIAL TRIPS TO 775 00:43:18,631 --> 00:43:19,966 VALLEY CITY TO SEE HER. >> Reporter: NOT 776 00:43:19,966 --> 00:43:21,701 EXACTLY APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THAT SORT OF RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR 777 00:43:21,701 --> 00:43:23,169 SON'S EX-GIRLFRIEND. >> NO. AND IT -- IT SURE 778 00:43:23,169 --> 00:43:24,771 DIDN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE TO US, YOU KNOW 779 00:43:24,771 --> 00:43:26,373 KIND OF STRANGE, THE WAY HE HANDLED ALL THOSE THINGS 780 00:43:26,373 --> 00:43:27,907 >> RODNEY HIMSELF SAID, "WELL, I FELT LIKE SHE WAS LIKE 781 00:43:27,907 --> 00:43:29,943 ANOTHER DAUGHTER TO ME." UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, 782 00:43:29,943 --> 00:43:31,511 EVEN AT THAT, THAT IT WAS VERY STRANGE, VERY STRANGE TO US. 783 00:43:31,511 --> 00:43:33,079 >> Reporter: RODNEY SAID THAT WHEN HE HEARD THE TERRIBLE 784 00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:38,485 NEWS, HE WAS DISTRAUGHT AND HE JUST WANTED TO TALK TO 785 00:43:38,485 --> 00:43:40,920 MINDY ONE LAST TIME. >> MINDY, THIS IS ROD. >> Reporter: RODNEY 786 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,992 DIALED MINDY'S NUMBER, LEFT HER VOICEMAILS AFTER SHE DIED 787 00:43:45,992 --> 00:43:48,528 >> I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU. I JUST LOVE HEARING 788 00:43:48,528 --> 00:43:55,902 YOUR VOICE I CAN'T TAKE IT. [ CRYING ] 789 00:43:55,902 --> 00:43:58,571 I LOVE YOU, KID. I'M SORRY IT HAD TO HAPPEN THAT WAY IT 790 00:43:58,571 --> 00:44:00,674 HAPPENED TO YOU. OH, I'M GOING TO MISS YOU. 791 00:44:00,674 --> 00:44:04,611 BYE. [ CRYING ] >> Reporter: FOR 792 00:44:04,611 --> 00:44:07,047 INVESTIGATORS, THOSE EMOTIONAL VOICEMAILS DIDN'T MAKE RODNEY ANY 793 00:44:07,047 --> 00:44:17,057 LESS SUSPICIOUS. MAYBE EVEN MORE. AND WHILE 794 00:44:17,057 --> 00:44:20,760 INVESTIGATORS DIDN'T THINK MINDY WAS ROMANTICALLY INVOLVED 795 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,595 WITH HER EX'S DAD, IT SURE SEEMED POSSIBLE THAT HE HAD BECOME 796 00:44:22,595 --> 00:44:27,634 DANGEROUSLY OBSESSED WITH HER RODNEY GAVE 797 00:44:27,634 --> 00:44:32,372 INVESTIGATORS HIS DNA. AND THEY ASKED HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN ABOUT 798 00:44:32,372 --> 00:44:37,944 HIS WHEREABOUTS THAT DAY. >> YOU GOT UP WHAT 799 00:44:37,944 --> 00:44:43,450 TIME >> I LEFT AFTER MY WIFE LEFT WORK 800 00:44:43,450 --> 00:44:45,118 SHE LEFT -- SHE LEAVES FOR WORK, LIKE, 7:30, ABOUT 25 AFTER 7:00. 801 00:44:45,118 --> 00:44:46,653 >> YOU DROVE TWO MILES TO THE FARM. >> RIGHT 802 00:44:46,653 --> 00:44:49,789 >> AND WHO WAS AT THAT FARM NOW >> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 803 00:44:49,789 --> 00:44:53,126 KIRK, MY SON >> HOW DID YOU GET TO THE SHOP 804 00:44:53,126 --> 00:44:56,663 >> WALK. >> DID ANYBODY GO WITH YOU OVER THERE 805 00:44:56,663 --> 00:45:00,367 >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER 806 00:45:00,367 --> 00:45:02,035 >> Reporter: OVER TWO HOURS, RODNEY GAVE AN ALMOST 807 00:45:02,035 --> 00:45:04,104 MINUTE-BY-MINUTE ACCOUNT OF THE DAY NOW THE AGENTS HAD TO 808 00:45:04,104 --> 00:45:08,842 RUN IT ALL DOWN. WAS THIS THE ANSWER TO THEIR MYSTERY, OR WAS 809 00:45:08,842 --> 00:45:13,046 THE KILLER LURKING ABOUT SOMEWHERE ELSE MAYBE RIGHT THERE, 810 00:45:32,332 --> 00:45:37,637 >> Reporter: THEY HAD TO USE THE NEW SALEM SCHOOL GYM FOR HER 811 00:45:37,637 --> 00:45:42,942 FUNERAL. SO MANY WANTED TO JUST BE THERE FOR 812 00:45:42,942 --> 00:45:47,681 MINDY MORGENSTERN. >> THERE MUST HAVE BEEN OVER 1,000 OR 813 00:45:47,681 --> 00:45:50,850 1,100 PEOPLE IN THIS -- IN THIS -- IN THE GYMNASIUM THAT 814 00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:59,325 DAY, STANDING ROOM ONLY, OUT THE DOORS, WHICH WAS A TRIBUTE. 815 00:45:59,325 --> 00:46:05,665 >> Reporter: SO REMARKABLE IN A SMALL TOWN 816 00:46:05,665 --> 00:46:07,300 >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> Reporter: GET THAT 817 00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:09,035 MANY PEOPLE -- MINDY'S BROTHER-IN-LAW JASON IS A PASTOR. 818 00:46:09,035 --> 00:46:10,737 HE LED THE SERVICE REMINDED PEOPLE OF WHAT MINDY BELIEVED IN 819 00:46:10,737 --> 00:46:12,372 SO STRONGLY, THAT HER LIFE AND WHATEVER HAPPENED AFTER WAS IN 820 00:46:12,372 --> 00:46:13,873 GOD'S HANDS. >> I CAN GUARANTEE YOU TODAY WE WILL NEVER 821 00:46:13,873 --> 00:46:15,742 LOSE MINDY 822 00:46:15,742 --> 00:46:21,047 HARDEST PART BECAUSE IT WAS PERMANENT I DON'T KNOW 823 00:46:21,047 --> 00:46:24,217 I GUESS PART OF ME UP TO THAT POINT THOUGHT THAT IT WAS JUST A 824 00:46:24,217 --> 00:46:33,760 NIGHTMARE THAT WE WERE GONNA WAKE UP FROM >> Reporter: HERE 825 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:42,235 GRIEF AND UNANSWERED QUESTIONS HUNG TOGETHER IN THE AIR. 826 00:46:42,235 --> 00:46:43,903 AND ATTENTIVE INVESTIGATORS WATCHED FOR WHAT THEY DIDN'T 827 00:46:43,903 --> 00:46:45,905 EXACTLY KNOW >> WE ASSIGNED PEOPLE JUST TO TAKE PICTURES 828 00:46:45,905 --> 00:46:47,507 OF PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE, TAKE VIDEO TO SEE IF THERE WAS 829 00:46:47,507 --> 00:46:49,075 ANYBODY THAT REACTED IN A STRANGE OR UNUSUAL WAY. 830 00:46:49,075 --> 00:46:51,211 >> Reporter: GOT NOTHIN' OUT OF THAT THOUGH, I'M ASSUMING 831 00:46:51,211 --> 00:46:55,448 >> NOTHIN' THAT STUCK OUT AS EXTRAORDINARY BUT WE WERE STILL 832 00:46:55,448 --> 00:47:02,322 SCRAMBLING, LOOKING FOR WHO MIGHT'VE DONE THIS 833 00:47:02,322 --> 00:47:10,797 >> Reporter: WHILE SOME INVESTIGATORS CHECKED OUT THE PEOPLE 834 00:47:10,797 --> 00:47:13,933 CLOSEST TO MINDY, OTHERS FOCUSED ON A SLEW OF RANDOM PEOPLE 835 00:47:13,933 --> 00:47:17,137 WHO MAY HAVE ENCOUNTERED, OR WHO DID ENCOUNTER, MINDY 836 00:47:17,137 --> 00:47:22,942 >> WE ENDED UP WITH, OH, APPROXIMATELY A DOZEN BUREAU OF 837 00:47:22,942 --> 00:47:29,315 CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AGENTS CONDUCTING INTERVIEWS AND CHASING 838 00:47:29,315 --> 00:47:30,884 DOWN LEADS THAT WERE COMING IN. >> Reporter: LEADS 839 00:47:30,884 --> 00:47:32,552 LIKE TONI'S BOYFRIEND, THE ONE WHO'D CHECKED UP ON TONI THE NIGHT 840 00:47:32,552 --> 00:47:34,254 OF MINDY'S MURDER. EVEN THOUGH HE LIKED MINDY, SHE DIDN'T 841 00:47:34,254 --> 00:47:36,690 THINK MUCH OF HIM AND THOUGHT HER FRIEND COULD DO BETTER. 842 00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:40,393 >> SHE WASN'T MEAN OR RUDE OR SAID, "I HATE HIM. 843 00:47:40,393 --> 00:47:44,097 SHE DIDN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT I WAS DATING HIM, AND SHE ALWAYS 844 00:47:44,097 --> 00:47:49,903 WANTED ME TO BREAK UP BECAUSE HE JUST WASN'T - 845 00:47:49,903 --> 00:47:56,776 >> Reporter: WASN'T GOOD TO YOU. >> NO. 846 00:47:56,776 --> 00:48:01,514 HE WASN'T GOOD TO ME >> THE FRIENDS HAVE HAD -- HAD TOLD US 847 00:48:01,514 --> 00:48:03,149 THAT MINDY DIDN'T CARE MUCH FOR HIM AND DIDN'T LIKE HER FRIEND 848 00:48:03,149 --> 00:48:06,286 DATING HIM >> Reporter: WELL, WOULD GIVE HIM A 849 00:48:06,286 --> 00:48:17,397 MOTIVE TO BE MAD AT HER I GUESS. >> YES 850 00:48:17,397 --> 00:48:21,601 >> Reporter: INVESTIGATORS BROUGHT TONI'S BOYFRIEND TO 851 00:48:21,601 --> 00:48:28,475 THE STATION. HE SAID HE'D NEVER TALKED MUCH TO MINDY, 852 00:48:28,475 --> 00:48:33,780 BUT SHE ALWAYS HAD A SMILE ON HER FACE. HE DIDN'T SEEM AWARE 853 00:48:33,780 --> 00:48:38,051 OF HOW MINDY FELT ABOUT HIM. BUT COULD HE PROVE 854 00:48:38,051 --> 00:48:39,686 WHERE HE WAS DURING THE HOUR POLICE BELIEVE THE MURDER 855 00:48:39,686 --> 00:48:41,921 HAPPENED >> HE HAD A PRETTY GOOD ALIBI AS TO WHERE 856 00:48:41,921 --> 00:48:44,324 HE WAS >> Reporter: HE HAD COMMUNITY SERVICE OR 857 00:48:44,324 --> 00:48:46,960 SOMETHING BECAUSE HE - >> CORRECT 858 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,561 Reporter: -- COMMITTED SOME SORT OF OFFENSE >> YEAH. 859 00:48:48,561 --> 00:48:50,196 >> Reporter: WOW OCCASIONALLY, EVEN OUR BAD DEEDS WILL COME 860 00:48:50,196 --> 00:48:51,765 BACK TO HELP US. >> SOMETIMES >> Reporter: BUT WHAT 861 00:48:51,765 --> 00:48:53,333 ABOUT ALL THOSE OTHER POTENTIAL SUSPECTS AND THEIR ALIBIS 862 00:48:53,333 --> 00:48:55,301 LIKE MINDY'S NEIGHBOR ROBERT LYNDS, THE GUY WITH THE SCRATCHES ON 863 00:48:55,301 --> 00:48:56,870 HIS HANDS WHO WAS SO WORRIED ABOUT HIS PRINTS AT THE SCENE. 864 00:48:56,870 --> 00:49:02,842 >> I CHECKED HIS ALIBI, TALKED TO HIS EMPLOYER, GOT A COPY 865 00:49:02,842 --> 00:49:06,012 SAMARITAN AFTER ALL. AND JORDAN HE TOLD US MINDY'S 866 00:49:06,012 --> 00:49:09,716 BROTHER-IN-LAW WAS WRONG ABOUT HIM. HE WASN'T JEALOUS OR 867 00:49:09,716 --> 00:49:14,020 CONTROLLING. AS FOR THAT INCONCLUSIVE 868 00:49:14,020 --> 00:49:19,759 POLYGRAPH -- >> I LOVED HER I WAS IN LOVE WITH 869 00:49:19,759 --> 00:49:22,929 HER. >> Reporter: IT TURNED OUT THAT REALLY WAS 870 00:49:22,929 --> 00:49:24,531 JUST ABOUT A BROKEN HEART. HIS ALIBI PROVED IT. 871 00:49:24,531 --> 00:49:28,735 >> EVENTUALLY HE WAS CLEARED TOO. >> Reporter: 872 00:49:28,735 --> 00:49:33,039 INVESTIGATORS WERE ALSO ABLE TO CLEAR HER EX, KYLE 873 00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:35,075 HE WAS AT WORK AROUND THE TIME OF THE MURDER 874 00:49:35,075 --> 00:49:36,843 AS FOR HIS DAD RODNEY -- THE OLDER MAN WHO'D SEEMED SO 875 00:49:36,843 --> 00:49:38,778 SUSPICIOUS TO INVESTIGATORS -- HE WAS ALMOST 200 MILES 876 00:49:38,778 --> 00:49:44,084 AWAY, EATING SANDWICHES WITH HIS FAMILY 877 00:49:44,084 --> 00:49:46,186 SO COULDN'T HAVE BEEN HIM. >> COULDN'T HAVE BEEN 878 00:49:46,186 --> 00:49:47,854 HIM. >> Reporter: THAT WAS NO SURPRISE TO MINDY'S 879 00:49:47,854 --> 00:49:50,390 PARENTS, AND LARRY AND EUNICE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PRETTY GOOD 880 00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:55,695 JUDGES OF CHARACTER. >> AND I THINK HE REALLY WANTED HER AND 881 00:49:55,695 --> 00:49:57,297 KYLE, HIS SON, TO GET TOGETHER AND WHEN THEY COULDN'T 882 00:49:57,297 --> 00:49:59,399 GET BACK TOGETHER, IT -- HE KIND OF WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED. 883 00:49:59,399 --> 00:50:02,302 AND, UH, I THINK HE JUST STILL STAYED IN A GOOD FRIENDSHIP WITH 884 00:50:02,302 --> 00:50:04,704 HER. >> WE WEREN'T SUSPICIOUS OF HIM AT 885 00:50:04,704 --> 00:50:07,874 ALL. >> Reporter: NO. THE POLICE WERE, 886 00:50:07,874 --> 00:50:11,878 BUT -- BUT YOU WEREN'T. >> NO. 887 00:50:11,878 --> 00:50:14,414 >> Reporter: ONE DEAD END AFTER ANOTHER. THEY FIGURED OUT 888 00:50:14,414 --> 00:50:16,049 PRETTY QUICKLY THAT THOSE MISSING PHOTOS AT THE CRIME SCENE HAD 889 00:50:16,049 --> 00:50:22,022 NOTHING TO DO WITH MINDY'S MURDER SHE'D JUST BEEN 890 00:50:22,022 --> 00:50:29,062 PREPARING FOR A MODELING SHOOT AND REMEMBER THAT MAN 891 00:50:29,062 --> 00:50:34,300 IN THE BLUE CAR WHO'D TERRIFIED MINDY JUST WEEKS BEFORE HER 892 00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:37,037 DEATH? >> WE DID FIND A MAN, UH, WHO WAS LIVING IN 893 00:50:37,037 --> 00:50:40,140 HIS MOTOR HOME ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE RESTAURANT THAT MINDY 894 00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:47,013 AND SOME OF HER FRIENDS WORKED AT. >> Reporter: THAT MAN 895 00:50:47,013 --> 00:50:48,581 OWNED A BLUEISH CAR. TEAL WAS WHAT THEY CALLED IT. 896 00:50:48,581 --> 00:50:50,717 BUT INVESTIGATORS COULDN'T LINK HIM TO MINDY. 897 00:50:50,717 --> 00:50:58,658 WHO WAS THE MAN IN THE BLUE CAR >> WE WORKED ON 898 00:50:58,658 --> 00:51:00,760 DIFFERENT LEADS ON THAT, AND WE NEVER DID COME UP WITH WHO THAT 899 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,663 PERSON WAS FOR SURE. >> Reporter: SO AT THIS STAGE, WHAT WERE 900 00:51:03,663 --> 00:51:05,498 YOU THINKING >> WE'RE REALLY NOT GETTING ANY PLACE WITH 901 00:51:05,498 --> 00:51:09,736 THIS >> Reporter: AN UNSOLVED MURDER IN A 902 00:51:09,736 --> 00:51:13,373 SMALL TOWN HAS CONSEQUENCES THE CHIEF OF POLICE 903 00:51:13,373 --> 00:51:24,084 SAID SO HIMSELF. >> WE DON'T WANT TO PANIC THE PUBLIC, BUT 904 00:51:24,084 --> 00:51:25,852 WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE VERY AWARE OF THEIR 905 00:51:25,852 --> 00:51:28,788 SURROUNDINGS AND AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND I DON'T KNOW HOW 906 00:51:28,788 --> 00:51:31,958 TO STRESS THAT ENOUGH. >> NO ONE WANTED TO GO OUT. 907 00:51:31,958 --> 00:51:33,560 NO ONE KNEW IF THIS PERSON WAS GONNA KILL AGAIN. 908 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,662 >> I COULDN'T GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT BEING AFRAID 909 00:51:35,662 --> 00:51:38,798 I COULDN'T TAKE A SHOWER WITHOUT BEING AFRAID BECAUSE I 910 00:51:38,798 --> 00:51:43,103 COULDN'T SEE WHAT WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SHOWER CURTAIN 911 00:51:43,103 --> 00:51:45,171 AND I WAS AFRAID THAT WHOEVER IT WAS, I DIDN'T KNOW. 912 00:51:45,171 --> 00:51:51,511 WERE THEY GONNA COME AFTER ME >> Reporter: IT WASN'T 913 00:51:51,511 --> 00:51:54,681 JUST THE COLLEGE STUDENTS WHO FELT IT >> IT SCARED ME. 914 00:51:54,681 --> 00:51:56,816 I DIDN'T WANT TO BE ANYWHERE NEAR THERE. >> Reporter: THE 915 00:51:56,816 --> 00:52:01,054 ANXIETY WAS ESPECIALLY ACUTE FOR MINDY'S NEIGHBORS, LIKE 916 00:52:01,054 --> 00:52:05,258 CHRISSY. SHE WAS RELIEVED THAT SHE AND HER HUSBAND 917 00:52:05,258 --> 00:52:08,428 WERE MOVING OUT OF THE BUILDING AND INTO HER PARENTS' HOME. 918 00:52:08,428 --> 00:52:11,631 >> I WAS SEVEN MONTHS PREGNANT, AND I HAD A 1-YEAR-OLD, AND I DID 919 00:52:11,631 --> 00:52:13,733 NOT FEEL SAFE ANYMORE IN THAT BUILDING >> Reporter: BUT LAW 920 00:52:13,733 --> 00:52:15,301 ENFORCEMENT WAS ABOUT TO GET A BREAK WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO 921 00:52:15,301 --> 00:52:16,870 FIND OUT ABOUT THAT DNA MATCH? >> IT WAS A SHOCK. 922 00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:19,072 >> Reporter: A SHOCK AND A HORROR BECAUSE THE DNA TOLD 923 00:52:19,072 --> 00:52:24,244 THE STORY OF WHOLE OTHER CRIME AND ANOTHER MYSTERY TO 924 00:52:44,431 --> 00:52:44,998 >> Reporter: PRETTY SOON THEY 925 00:52:44,998 --> 00:52:45,598 WERE RUNNING OUT OF SUSPECTS 926 00:52:45,598 --> 00:52:48,702 ABOUT EVERYONE WHO KNEW MINDY MORGENSTERN HAD BEEN 927 00:52:48,702 --> 00:52:52,405 LOOKED AT, SOME OF THEM PRETTY HARD, AND IT ALL WENT NOWHERE. 928 00:52:52,405 --> 00:52:56,142 ANYWAY, MINDY HAD NO ENEMIES THERE WASN'T A SOUL WHO HAD A 929 00:52:56,142 --> 00:52:58,211 BAD THING TO SAY ABOUT HER AND JUST ABOUT THEN, AS THEY 930 00:52:58,211 --> 00:53:06,052 WERE CASTING ABOUT FOR WHAT TO DO NEXT, THE CRIME LAB CALLED. 931 00:53:06,052 --> 00:53:11,958 AND, WHAT DO YA KNOW >> THE, UH, CRIME LAB CAME BACK 932 00:53:11,958 --> 00:53:15,628 AND SAID, "WE HAVE DNA FROM THOSE FINGERNAIL SCRAPINGS AND 933 00:53:15,628 --> 00:53:16,730 CLIPPINGS. >> Reporter: DNA THAT WASN'T 934 00:53:16,730 --> 00:53:19,866 HERS >> YEAH. 935 00:53:19,866 --> 00:53:23,203 >> Reporter: SO MAYBE THE INVESTIGATORS' INITIAL HUNCH WAS 936 00:53:23,203 --> 00:53:27,073 CORRECT. MAYBE DNA WOULD TELL THE STORY 937 00:53:27,073 --> 00:53:28,308 THEY ENTERED THE DNA INTO THE FEDERAL CRIMINAL DATABASE. 938 00:53:28,308 --> 00:53:38,385 AND VOILA. SORT OF. 939 00:53:38,385 --> 00:53:39,419 >> I GOT A CALL FROM ONE OF THE LAB TECHS. 940 00:53:39,419 --> 00:53:41,087 SHE SAID, "I GOT GOOD NEWS FOR YOU. 941 00:53:41,087 --> 00:53:42,689 AND IT'S LIKE, "AWESOME. SHE SAID, "YOU HAVE A POSITIVE 942 00:53:42,689 --> 00:53:43,923 MATCH. "PERFECT 943 00:53:43,923 --> 00:53:45,792 WHO IS IT? SHE SAID, "I DON'T KNOW. 944 00:53:45,792 --> 00:53:56,536 SO THAT WAS KIND OF A DEFLATING PART OF THE -- 945 00:53:56,536 --> 00:53:57,437 >> Reporter: YEAH. >> -- REALLY POSITIVE 946 00:53:57,437 --> 00:53:58,538 CONVERSATION >> Reporter: DEFLATING BECAUSE 947 00:53:58,538 --> 00:53:59,673 THE DATABASE IS FILLED NOT ONLY WITH THE NAMES OF KNOWN 948 00:53:59,673 --> 00:54:00,707 CRIMINALS, BUT ALSO WITH FORENSIC DNA FROM UNSOLVED 949 00:54:00,707 --> 00:54:02,042 CASES. >> SHE WENT ON TO TELL ME THAT 950 00:54:02,042 --> 00:54:15,922 WHOEVER MURDERED MINDY ALSO HAD DONE AN AGGRAVATED RAPE IN THE 951 00:54:15,922 --> 00:54:17,057 FARGO AREA >> Reporter: HAD COMMITTED A 952 00:54:17,057 --> 00:54:18,625 RAPE IN FARGO, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS? 953 00:54:18,625 --> 00:54:21,227 >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Reporter: STILL, THE FARGO 954 00:54:21,227 --> 00:54:35,475 CASE COULD NUDGE THE MINDY INVESTIGATION FORWARD, OPEN UP 955 00:54:35,475 --> 00:54:41,314 NEW LEADS. SO A BCI AGENT TRAVELED TO 956 00:54:41,314 --> 00:54:43,416 INTERVIEW THE SURVIVOR OF THAT SEXUAL ASSAULT 957 00:54:43,416 --> 00:54:49,289 AND SHE ALSO SPOKE WITH US WE AGREED NOT TO DISCLOSE HER 958 00:54:49,289 --> 00:54:51,858 IDENTITY HAVE YOU TOLD MANY PEOPLE ABOUT 959 00:54:51,858 --> 00:54:53,460 THIS >> NO. 960 00:54:53,460 --> 00:54:58,732 >> Reporter: BECAUSE IT'S A HARD THING TO TALK ABOUT, RIGHT 961 00:54:58,732 --> 00:55:01,368 >> RIGHT YOU GET QUESTIONED AS TO WHETHER 962 00:55:01,368 --> 00:55:07,941 YOU'RE TELLING THE TRUTH OR NOT. >> Reporter: SHE WAS JUST 22, 963 00:55:07,941 --> 00:55:10,877 STUDYING TO BECOME A TEACHER, WHEN SHE WENT OUT ONE NIGHT WITH 964 00:55:10,877 --> 00:55:13,613 THREE FRIENDS. THEY SAW A LIVE BAND AT A FAIR 965 00:55:13,613 --> 00:55:16,182 AND THEN WENT TO A BAR >> WE WERE JUST SOCIALIZING, 966 00:55:16,182 --> 00:55:17,784 GIRLS DO >> Reporter: WERE YOU THERE A 967 00:55:17,784 --> 00:55:19,352 LONG TIME? >> UM, NO. 968 00:55:19,352 --> 00:55:20,954 I REMEMBER GETTING WATER AND SETTING IT ON THE TABLE AND 969 00:55:20,954 --> 00:55:23,289 TELLING MY FRIENDS I WAS GONNA GO USE THE BATHROOM. 970 00:55:23,289 --> 00:55:27,827 AND THAT'S THE LAST THING I REMEMBER 971 00:55:27,827 --> 00:55:29,929 >> Reporter: WAS SHE DRUGGED MAYBE, THE POLICE SAID 972 00:55:29,929 --> 00:55:33,099 AND WHEN SHE CAME TO, SHE WAS PINNED TO A MATTRESS IN AN 973 00:55:33,099 --> 00:55:35,235 UNFAMILIAR APARTMENT AND A MAN SHE'D NEVER SEEN BEFORE WAS 974 00:55:35,235 --> 00:55:36,302 RAPING HER >> I WAS ON MY STOMACH 975 00:55:36,302 --> 00:55:38,938 HE WAS ON TOP OF ME. HE HAD HIS ARM IN MY MOUTH SO I 976 00:55:38,938 --> 00:55:44,744 COULDN'T SCREAM. I JUST REMEMBER FIGHTING AND 977 00:55:44,744 --> 00:55:46,880 STRUGGLING HIM HE'S TWICE MY SIZE 978 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,082 >> Reporter: I MEAN, I DON'T -- I -- I CAN'T BEGIN TO WONDER 979 00:55:49,082 --> 00:55:53,753 WHAT -- EVEN IMAGINE WHAT THAT MOMENT FEELS LIKE AS YOU LOOK 980 00:55:53,753 --> 00:55:54,788 BACK ON IT >> IT'S TERRIFYING 981 00:55:54,788 --> 00:56:00,093 I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE END OF IT 982 00:56:00,093 --> 00:56:02,729 >> Reporter: THAT HE WAS GONNA KILL YOU 983 00:56:02,729 --> 00:56:08,034 >> YEAH. THE NEXT THING I REMEMBER, WE 984 00:56:08,034 --> 00:56:09,135 WERE IN THE HALLWAY. >> Reporter: SO HE LET YOU GET 985 00:56:09,135 --> 00:56:14,341 UP OR SOMETHING? >> YEAH. 986 00:56:14,341 --> 00:56:20,680 AND HE SAID THAT THERE WAS A CAB WAITING OUTSIDE. 987 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:21,881 I KNEW THAT THERE WASN'T A CAB >> Reporter: SHE WAS BAREFOOT. 988 00:56:21,881 --> 00:56:28,621 HER CLOTHES WERE A MESS. HER PURSE WAS GONE 989 00:56:28,621 --> 00:56:30,323 SHE HAD A FLASH OF CLARITY >> AND I THOUGHT, "I EITHER HAVE 990 00:56:30,323 --> 00:56:39,165 TO GET AWAY FROM HIM, OR HE'S GONNA TAKE ME SOMEWHERE ELSE AND 991 00:56:39,165 --> 00:56:40,233 KILL ME. >> Reporter: LORD. 992 00:56:40,233 --> 00:56:42,869 >> SO I STARTED RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE HALLWAYS. 993 00:56:42,869 --> 00:56:45,638 EVENTUALLY I HEARD PEOPLE INSIDE OF ONE APARTMENT, SO I STOOD AT 994 00:56:45,638 --> 00:56:51,878 THAT APARTMENT DOOR, AND I BANGED AND I SCREAMED. 995 00:56:51,878 --> 00:56:54,080 AND THEY FINALLY LET ME IN I CURLED UP IN A BALL UNDER THE 996 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:59,285 KITCHEN TABLE, TOLD THEM TO CALL 911 997 00:56:59,285 --> 00:57:06,693 >> Reporter: WHEN YOU DESCRIBED TO THE POLICE WHAT THIS MAN WAS 998 00:57:06,693 --> 00:57:13,566 LIKE, WHAT DID YOU TELL THEM >> I SAID, "IT WAS AN AFRICAN 999 00:57:13,566 --> 00:57:16,736 AMERICAN MALE OVER 6 FEET TALL, OVER 200 POUNDS. 1000 00:57:16,736 --> 00:57:19,406 >> Reporter: MUSCULAR TOO. BUT THE MAN SHE DESCRIBED WAS 1001 00:57:19,406 --> 00:57:23,076 NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. BECAUSE HE DID A DISAPPEARING 1002 00:57:23,076 --> 00:57:26,279 ACT AS SHE WAS RUNNING AWAY? >> UH, YES 1003 00:57:26,279 --> 00:57:31,051 >> Reporter: THE YOUNG WOMAN WAS TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL WHERE AN 1004 00:57:31,051 --> 00:57:33,653 ATTENDING NURSE DID RAPE KIT TESTS. 1005 00:57:33,653 --> 00:57:41,061 >> I HAD BRUISING ON MY NECK, BRUISING ON MY THIGHS. 1006 00:57:41,061 --> 00:57:42,228 SHE WAS ABLE TO GET HIS DNA. >> Reporter: FARGO PD ENTERED 1007 00:57:42,228 --> 00:57:46,399 THAT DNA INTO THE FEDERAL CRIMINAL DATABASE AND WAITED 1008 00:57:46,399 --> 00:57:53,873 WHILE THE YOUNG WOMAN'S LIFE WAS SWAMPED WITH EMOTIONS AND A KIND 1009 00:57:53,873 --> 00:57:55,141 OF FEAR SHE'D NEVER FELT BEFORE. >> I HAD TO HAVE SOMEBODY SLEEP 1010 00:57:55,141 --> 00:57:57,977 WITH ME AT NIGHT FOR A LONG TIME 1011 00:57:57,977 --> 00:58:01,681 IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO GO BACK OUT IN PUBLIC 1012 00:58:01,681 --> 00:58:05,385 >> Reporter: WHY A LONG TIME TO GO BACK OUT IN PUBLIC, 1013 00:58:05,385 --> 00:58:09,189 PARTICULARLY >> JUST THE FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN. 1014 00:58:09,189 --> 00:58:13,860 >> Reporter: WEEKS AND MONTHS PASSED, AND POLICE WERE NO 1015 00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:15,028 NEARER TO SOLVING HER CASE >> ONCE IT GOT CLOSE TO TWO 1016 00:58:15,028 --> 00:58:18,064 YEARS, I REALLY STARTED TO LOSE HOPE THAT IT WOULD EVER GET 1017 00:58:18,064 --> 00:58:21,301 SOLVED >> Reporter: WAS IT A BIGGER 1018 00:58:21,301 --> 00:58:25,605 PROBLEM THAT NOBODY WAS GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THIS, OR THAT 1019 00:58:25,605 --> 00:58:26,873 SOMEBODY WAS THERE, SOMEBODY WAS OUT THERE, SOMEBODY KNEW WHO YOU 1020 00:58:26,873 --> 00:58:31,811 WERE >> I THINK THEY WERE EQUAL 1021 00:58:31,811 --> 00:58:33,413 PARTS. >> Reporter: UH-HUH. 1022 00:58:33,413 --> 00:58:36,583 >> Reporter: BUT SLOWLY, SLOWLY, SHE BEGAN TO HEAL. 1023 00:58:36,583 --> 00:58:39,319 SHE DID BECOME A TEACHER AND TWO YEARS AFTER THE ASSAULT, 1024 00:58:39,319 --> 00:58:42,922 SHE WAS IN SCHOOL ONE DAY WHEN SHE GOT A CALL 1025 00:58:42,922 --> 00:58:45,558 THE POLICE WANTED TO SPEAK WITH HER AGAIN. 1026 00:58:45,558 --> 00:58:49,229 THEY WERE LOOKING FOR THE MAN WHO ATTACKED HER AND KILLED 1027 00:58:49,229 --> 00:58:53,500 MINDY MORGENSTERN. >> THEY JUST ASKED ME IF THEY 1028 00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:57,203 COULD JOG MY MEMORY ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE FROM THAT NIGHT, 1029 00:58:57,203 --> 00:58:58,605 ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE DESCRIPTION THAT I HAD GIVEN 1030 00:58:58,605 --> 00:58:59,406 THEM >> Reporter: DID THEY TELL YOU 1031 00:58:59,406 --> 00:59:06,012 ANYTHING ABOUT DNA IN THAT CONVERSATION 1032 00:59:06,012 --> 00:59:07,080 >> THEY DID TELL ME THAT THEY HAD A MATCH AT THAT POINT. 1033 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:15,188 BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO IT WAS. >> Reporter: WHAT DID YOU FEEL 1034 00:59:15,188 --> 00:59:16,256 LIKE WHEN HE -- THEY TOLD YOU THAT 1035 00:59:16,256 --> 00:59:17,824 >> IT MADE ME REALLY HOPEFUL THAT THEY WERE FINALLY GONNA 1036 00:59:17,824 --> 00:59:20,026 SOLVE THE CASE >> Reporter: SOLVE HERS, AND 1037 00:59:20,026 --> 00:59:23,630 MAYBE MINDY'S TOO. AT LEAST NOW THEY HAD A 1038 00:59:23,630 --> 00:59:24,864 DESCRIPTION. THAT NARROWED THINGS DOWN. 1039 00:59:24,864 --> 00:59:27,334 BUT HOW DID YOU PROGRESS FROM THERE? 1040 00:59:27,334 --> 00:59:30,503 >> WE CONTINUED TO COLLECT DNA -- 1041 00:59:30,503 --> 00:59:31,604 >> Reporter: MM-MM >> -- FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 1042 00:59:31,604 --> 00:59:34,741 >> Reporter: DID YOU KINDA CONCENTRATE ON MUSCULAR BLACK 1043 00:59:34,741 --> 00:59:37,911 MEN AFTER THAT >> WE PROBABLY DID A LITTLE MORE 1044 00:59:37,911 --> 00:59:44,851 WORK AS FAR AS WHAT BLACK MALES MINDY WOULD HAVE KNOWN 1045 00:59:44,851 --> 00:59:45,852 >> Reporter: AND THEY ALL VOLUNTEERED THEIR DNA. 1046 00:59:45,852 --> 00:59:48,121 EVERYBODY IN THIS INVESTIGATION SOUNDS TO HAVE BEEN VERY 1047 00:59:48,121 --> 00:59:49,556 COOPERATIVE. >> EVERYONE WAS VERY 1048 00:59:49,556 --> 00:59:57,063 COOPERATIVE. >> Reporter: AS THE CRIME LAB 1049 00:59:57,063 --> 00:59:58,264 WORKED OVERTIME TO PROCESS THE DNA, ONE SAMPLE WAS ABOUT TO 1050 00:59:58,264 --> 01:00:08,008 LIGHT UP LIKE A MATCH. THERE HE WAS AFTER ALL, HIDING 1051 01:00:26,426 --> 01:00:27,660 >> Reporter: INVESTIGATORS HAD MATCHED DNA FROM MINDY'S MURDER 1052 01:00:27,660 --> 01:00:31,731 TO A RAPE IN FARGO AND WERE LOOKING FOR A MAN THE RAPE 1053 01:00:31,731 --> 01:00:42,275 SURVIVOR DESCRIBED AS TALL, BLACK, AND MUSCULAR. 1054 01:00:42,275 --> 01:00:44,944 WHILE THERE WERE NOT MANY MEN OF THAT DESCRIPTION WHO KNEW MINDY, 1055 01:00:44,944 --> 01:00:46,312 THERE WAS ONE SUCH MAN LIVING IN HER APARTMENT BUILDING JUST 1056 01:00:46,312 --> 01:00:50,216 DOWNSTAIRS >> THE BARNES COUNTY JAILER THAT 1057 01:00:50,216 --> 01:00:51,351 LIVED IN THAT BASEMENT APARTMENT WAS A BLACK MALE SUBJECT 1058 01:00:51,351 --> 01:00:52,619 >> Reporter: HE WAS MOE GIBBS, A 34-YEAR-OLD CORRECTIONS OFFICER, 1059 01:00:52,619 --> 01:01:02,896 HUSBAND TO CHRISSY, WHO'D BEEN SO FREAKED OUT BY THE MURDER 1060 01:01:02,896 --> 01:01:09,069 UPSTAIRS SHE AND MOE HAD BEEN TOGETHER 1061 01:01:09,069 --> 01:01:10,070 FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS >> I MET MOE SHORTLY AFTER I 1062 01:01:10,070 --> 01:01:12,939 FOUND OUT I WAS PREGNANT WITH MY FIRST DAUGHTER 1063 01:01:12,939 --> 01:01:16,643 HE VERY MUCH LOVED HER LIKE SHE WAS HIS OWN. 1064 01:01:16,643 --> 01:01:19,579 HE WORKED NIGHTS AND I WORKED DAYS, AND SO HE WAS WITH HER 1065 01:01:19,579 --> 01:01:24,084 DURING THE DAY QUITE A BIT, JUST THE TWO OF THEM. 1066 01:01:24,084 --> 01:01:25,251 >> Reporter: MOE HAD COME A LONG WAY FROM HIS EARLY LIFE AS A 1067 01:01:25,251 --> 01:01:28,788 CRIPS GANG MEMBER IN CENTRAL CALIFORNIA 1068 01:01:28,788 --> 01:01:35,662 AT 18, HE CHOSE TO SERVE HIS COUNTRY IN THE NAVY, AND THEN 1069 01:01:35,662 --> 01:01:36,830 PLAYED COLLEGE BASKETBALL. DIVORCED, WITH KIDS, HE MOVED TO 1070 01:01:36,830 --> 01:01:39,466 VALLEY CITY AND WORKED AS A COLLEGE SECURITY GUARD BEFORE 1071 01:01:39,466 --> 01:01:44,170 GETTING A JOB WITH THE COUNTY JAIL 1072 01:01:44,170 --> 01:01:46,539 >> HE HOLDS A LITTLE CLOUT IN OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY 1073 01:01:46,539 --> 01:01:47,841 CUZ' HE'S HELPIN' US PUT BAD PEOPLE AWAY. 1074 01:01:47,841 --> 01:01:52,612 >> Reporter: HOW WELL DID YOU KNOW MOE GIBBS 1075 01:01:52,612 --> 01:01:53,780 >> I KNEW HIM FAIRLY WELL. >> Reporter: SEEMED LIKE A NICE 1076 01:01:53,780 --> 01:01:56,316 GUY? >> YEAH. 1077 01:01:56,316 --> 01:02:01,621 JUST THE SUNDAY BEFORE, WE WERE PLAYIN' IN A STATE SOFTBALL 1078 01:02:01,621 --> 01:02:02,756 TOURNAMENT IN FARGO. AND HE WAS ON MY CO-ED SOFTBALL 1079 01:02:02,756 --> 01:02:05,392 TEAM >> Reporter: AS ONE OF MINDY'S 1080 01:02:05,392 --> 01:02:12,265 NEIGHBORS, MOE HAD GIVEN A WITNESS STATEMENT EARLY ON, 1081 01:02:12,265 --> 01:02:14,300 ALONG WITH A DNA SAMPLE. THE CRIME LAB HAD HIS AND 1082 01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:16,936 SAMPLES FROM OTHER MEN MATCHING THE DESCRIPTION GIVEN BY THE 1083 01:02:16,936 --> 01:02:19,572 FARGO RAPE SURVIVOR. AND A WEEK AFTER MINDY'S MURDER, 1084 01:02:19,572 --> 01:02:22,742 A BCI AGENT UPDATED SGT. SWENSON 1085 01:02:22,742 --> 01:02:25,912 >> HE SAID, "WELL, ONE OF 'EM WAS A MATCH. 1086 01:02:25,912 --> 01:02:30,150 AND I SAID, "WHO IS IT?" >> Reporter: THE AGENT TOLD HIM 1087 01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:37,090 THE MAN'S NAME >> AND I WAS SHOCKED 1088 01:02:37,090 --> 01:02:38,124 >> Reporter: IT WAS MOE GIBBS. >> I SAID, "ARE YOU SURE 1089 01:02:38,124 --> 01:02:42,829 ARE THEY SURE? AND THEY SAID, "YES. 1090 01:02:42,829 --> 01:02:44,097 THEY SAID THE PERSON THAT'S IN CHARGE OF THE CRIME LAB RE-DID 1091 01:02:44,097 --> 01:02:47,100 THE RESULTS AND VERIFIED THAT IT WAS HIM. 1092 01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:50,770 FIRST THING I SAID IS, "OKAY LET'S MAKE A PLAN. 1093 01:02:50,770 --> 01:02:53,940 LET'S GET HIM TO COME DOWN TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 1094 01:02:53,940 --> 01:02:57,644 >> Reporter: HOW'D YOU DO THAT >> THEY ACTUALLY CALLED HIM UP 1095 01:02:57,644 --> 01:03:01,881 AND SAID "WE NEED TO JUST DO SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR YA 1096 01:03:01,881 --> 01:03:03,583 IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMIN' IN." GIBBS IS EXITING THE APARTMENT 1097 01:03:03,583 --> 01:03:07,220 WHERE THE HOMICIDE TOOK PLACE. >> Reporter: MOE GIBBS HAD NO 1098 01:03:07,220 --> 01:03:09,255 IDEA THAT INVESTIGATORS HAD PUT TOGETHER A SURVEILLANCE TEAM 1099 01:03:09,255 --> 01:03:14,060 >> LOOKS LIKE HE'S TURNING OUT ON 8th STREET. 1100 01:03:14,060 --> 01:03:15,228 >> Reporter: WITH SWENSON AND THE OTHER OFFICERS TRACKING HIM. 1101 01:03:15,228 --> 01:03:18,765 >> I'M ABOUT TWO BLOCKS BEHIND HIM. 1102 01:03:18,765 --> 01:03:23,103 >> I STAYED BACK QUITE A WAYS WHERE HE COULDN'T SEE ME JUST IN 1103 01:03:23,103 --> 01:03:25,105 CASE MOE WOULD GET SPOOKED AND DECIDE TO RUN. 1104 01:03:25,105 --> 01:03:28,808 >> GIBBS IS JUST PULLING UP TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER 1105 01:03:28,808 --> 01:03:30,410 >> Reporter: BUT HE DROVE STRAIGHT TO THE POLICE 1106 01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:33,079 DEPARTMENT >> HEY, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING 1107 01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:34,647 IN >> NOT A PROBLEM 1108 01:03:34,647 --> 01:03:36,483 >> Reporter: MOE GIBBS DIDN'T COME ALONE 1109 01:03:36,483 --> 01:03:39,953 >> HOW OLD IS SHE? >> 15 MONTHS 1110 01:03:39,953 --> 01:03:41,087 >> HE HAD HIS STEPDAUGHTER >> Reporter: THAT'S A MOMENT, 1111 01:03:41,087 --> 01:03:43,690 ISN'T IT >> IT IS 1112 01:03:43,690 --> 01:03:48,395 >> Reporter: AFTER HIS STEP-DAUGHTER WAS TAKEN ASIDE, 1113 01:03:48,395 --> 01:03:53,700 THE INVESTIGATORS ASKED MOE WHERE HE WAS DURING THE PRESUMED 1114 01:03:53,700 --> 01:03:56,336 HALF-HOUR WINDOW OF MINDY'S MURDER, ABOUT 12:30 TO 1:00 P.M. 1115 01:03:56,336 --> 01:04:00,573 MOE SAID HE LEFT HIS APARTMENT AT 11:30 AND HAD LUNCH WITH HIS 1116 01:04:00,573 --> 01:04:03,743 WIFE CHRISSY 'TIL ABOUT 12:35, WHEN HE DROPPED HER AT WORK AND 1117 01:04:03,743 --> 01:04:06,913 WENT BACK TO THEIR APARTMENT WITH HIS STEP-DAUGHTER 1118 01:04:06,913 --> 01:04:10,083 >> SO, WHAT TIME DO YOU -- DO YOU THINK YOU GOT BACK TO THE 1119 01:04:10,083 --> 01:04:11,184 APARTMENT BUILDING >> I'D SAY BETWEEN 12:45 AND 1120 01:04:11,184 --> 01:04:16,456 1:00 >> Reporter: HE SAID HE DIDN'T 1121 01:04:16,456 --> 01:04:19,626 NOTICE ANYTHING UNUSUAL THERE OTHER THAN THE SMELL OF 1122 01:04:19,626 --> 01:04:21,294 PINE-SOL >> AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE 1123 01:04:21,294 --> 01:04:23,296 MANAGER CLEANING AN APARTMENT UPSTAIRS 1124 01:04:23,296 --> 01:04:31,237 >> Reporter: HE TOLD THE INVESTIGATORS HE STAYED JUST TEN 1125 01:04:31,237 --> 01:04:32,739 MINUTES IN HIS APARTMENT. AND BECAUSE HIS FAMILY WAS IN THE 1126 01:04:32,739 --> 01:04:33,873 MIDST OF MOVING INTO HIS IN-LAWS' HOME, HE DROVE STRAIGHT 1127 01:04:33,873 --> 01:04:36,509 THERE WITH HIS STEP-DAUGHTER AND A TRUCK FULL OF STUFF. 1128 01:04:36,509 --> 01:04:39,679 >> AND HOW LONG WERE YOU THERE >> FOR ABOUT A HOUR. 1129 01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:42,349 >> Reporter: THE LAST TIME HE'D SEEN MINDY, HE TOLD THEM, WAS 1130 01:04:42,349 --> 01:04:45,518 MAYBE A WEEK BEFORE SHE WAS MURDERED, WHEN HE'D COME TO HER 1131 01:04:45,518 --> 01:04:49,222 AID. >> SHE WAS COMING HOME AND SHE 1132 01:04:49,222 --> 01:04:50,457 WAS HOLDING HER PANTS, HOLDING A LAUNDRY BASKET AND A BOOK BAG. 1133 01:04:50,457 --> 01:04:53,460 SO, I HELPED HER UP TO HER APARTMENT AND THAT WAS IT. 1134 01:04:53,460 --> 01:04:54,694 BUT OTHER THAN THAT -- >> SO THAT'S THE ONLY TIME 1135 01:04:54,694 --> 01:04:55,562 YOU'VE EVER BEEN UP AT HER APARTMENT? 1136 01:04:55,562 --> 01:04:58,732 >> YES >> HE ADMITTED TO BEIN' IN HER 1137 01:04:58,732 --> 01:05:00,834 APARTMENT ONE TIME >> Reporter: BUT THIS WAS MORE 1138 01:05:00,834 --> 01:05:05,605 THAN ODD THE SCENE GIBBS CLAIMED HE SAW A 1139 01:05:05,605 --> 01:05:10,910 WEEK BEFORE THE MURDER, COMPLETE WITH LAUNDRY BASKET, BOOKBAG, 1140 01:05:10,910 --> 01:05:14,314 WAS ALSO A DESCRIPTION OF THE ACTUAL CRIME SCENE 1141 01:05:14,314 --> 01:05:18,284 >> WHAT HE DESCRIBED WHEN HE WAS THERE WAS PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT 1142 01:05:18,284 --> 01:05:19,886 WE FOUND WHEN SHE WAS DEAD >> Reporter: SO THEN, 1143 01:05:19,886 --> 01:05:23,556 INVESTIGATORS CONFRONTED MOE WITH THEIR NEW EVIDENCE. 1144 01:05:23,556 --> 01:05:29,929 >> HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF I TOLD YOU THAT YOUR DNA MATCHES DNA 1145 01:05:29,929 --> 01:05:32,732 THAT WE FOUND ON MINDY'S BODY? >> I'D BE LIKE IT WASN'T TRUE. 1146 01:05:32,732 --> 01:05:35,402 >> I WAS THERE WATCHING, FROM ANOTHER ROOM ON CAMERA 1147 01:05:35,402 --> 01:05:36,436 >> Reporter: AND DO YOU SORT OF SEE HIM SQUIRMING? 1148 01:05:36,436 --> 01:05:38,371 DID IT LOOK LIKE HE KNEW THE JIG WAS UP 1149 01:05:38,371 --> 01:05:40,473 >> HE DIDN'T SQUIRM AT ALL HE WAS VERY CALM 1150 01:05:40,473 --> 01:05:45,078 >> Reporter: AND THEY CONFRONTED HIM AGAIN. 1151 01:05:45,078 --> 01:05:49,482 DID HE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT VIOLENT RAPE IN FARGO 1152 01:05:49,482 --> 01:05:52,118 >> TWO YEARS AGO IN FARGO? >> YUP 1153 01:05:52,118 --> 01:05:54,320 IN 2004. >> WELL, IT WASN'T -- I KNOW I 1154 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,924 DIDN'T DO IT >> Reporter: SURE, HE'D LIVED IN 1155 01:05:57,924 --> 01:06:00,193 FARGO, HE SAID, AND HAD PLENTY OF SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS THERE 1156 01:06:00,193 --> 01:06:05,331 >> IT HAPPENED A FEW TIMES THAT I PICKED SOMEBODY UP AT THE BAR 1157 01:06:05,331 --> 01:06:08,601 AND WENT SOMEWHERE BUT I KNOW -- I KNOW FOR A FACT 1158 01:06:08,601 --> 01:06:11,671 THAT I'VE NEVER ASSAULTED ANYBODY. 1159 01:06:11,671 --> 01:06:13,773 >> Reporter: THE INVESTIGATORS WEREN'T BUYING IT. 1160 01:06:13,773 --> 01:06:16,943 NOT ON THE RAPE, AND NOT ON THE MURDER 1161 01:06:16,943 --> 01:06:20,647 >> THE ONLY THING THAT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP YOU OUT HERE IS TO 1162 01:06:20,647 --> 01:06:21,781 CUT YOUR LOSSES. >> WELL, I DIDN'T HAVE NOTHING 1163 01:06:21,781 --> 01:06:25,385 TO DO WITH HER DEATH I KNOW THAT. 1164 01:06:25,385 --> 01:06:28,054 >> NOTHING AT ALL? >> NOTHING 1165 01:06:28,054 --> 01:06:30,190 >> Reporter: BUT THE INVESTIGATORS WEREN'T MOVED. 1166 01:06:30,190 --> 01:06:36,363 THEY PLACED HIM UNDER ARREST AND CHARGED HIM WITH MURDER. 1167 01:06:36,363 --> 01:06:45,605 >> WE HAVE AN ARREST WARRANT FOR THE MURDER OF MINDY MORGENSTERN. 1168 01:06:45,605 --> 01:06:46,806 >> Reporter: SARGEANT SWENSON MADE ONE LAST APPEAL TO MOE TO 1169 01:06:46,806 --> 01:06:48,641 CONFESS. >> YOUR FAMILY'S GONNA WANT TO 1170 01:06:48,641 --> 01:06:51,811 KNOW I SAID, "YOU'RE A FATHER JUST 1171 01:06:51,811 --> 01:06:55,081 LIKE I AM. YOU HAVE CHILDREN JUST LIKE ME." 1172 01:06:55,081 --> 01:06:57,183 I SAID, "WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO TELL THEM WHEN THEY GET OLDER? 1173 01:06:57,183 --> 01:07:00,286 AND MOE PUT HIS HEAD DOWN. >> Reporter: DIDN'T SAY 1174 01:07:00,286 --> 01:07:03,456 ANYTHING >> AND DENIED IT 1175 01:07:03,456 --> 01:07:05,058 HE'S LIKE, "DAVE, I DIDN'T DO IT." 1176 01:07:05,058 --> 01:07:08,762 >> Reporter: MINDY'S FAMILY HEARD THE NEWS OF THE ARREST 1177 01:07:08,762 --> 01:07:10,196 THAT SAME DAY. >> I WAS SHOCKED JUST THAT SOME 1178 01:07:10,196 --> 01:07:14,034 RANDOM PERSON COULD DO WHAT HE DID. 1179 01:07:14,034 --> 01:07:20,373 >> Reporter: HE WAS THE NEIGHBOR JUST DOWNSTAIRS WHO'D MADE MINDY 1180 01:07:20,373 --> 01:07:22,509 FEEL SAFE. REMEMBER, SHE LIKED HAVING LAW 1181 01:07:22,509 --> 01:07:24,077 ENFORCEMENT TYPES IN THE BUILDING 1182 01:07:24,077 --> 01:07:25,645 >> IT WAS JUST A TOTAL BIG MYSTERY OF WHO THIS PERSON WAS 1183 01:07:25,645 --> 01:07:32,552 AND WHY HIM AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 1184 01:07:32,552 --> 01:07:36,222 >> Reporter: FOR ASHLEY, THE NEWS WAS CHILLING. 1185 01:07:36,222 --> 01:07:38,858 SHE RECALLED THAT MINDY HAD BEEN HONORED AT A FOOTBALL GAME FOUR 1186 01:07:38,858 --> 01:07:41,094 DAYS AFTER THE MURDER. >> TODAY WE'LL BE TAKING A 1187 01:07:41,094 --> 01:07:45,231 MOMENT OF SILENCE IN HONOR OF MINDY MORGENSTERN. 1188 01:07:45,231 --> 01:07:49,969 >> I REMEMBER SITTING IN THE BLEACHERS. 1189 01:07:49,969 --> 01:07:52,639 AND MOE WAS SITTING FOUR OR FIVE ROWS DOWN FROM WHERE OUR GROUP 1190 01:07:52,639 --> 01:07:55,375 WAS SITTING. >> Reporter: WHEN THE PENNY 1191 01:07:55,375 --> 01:07:58,445 DROPPED AND YOU REMEMBERED SEEING HIM AT THE GAME, TELL ME 1192 01:07:58,445 --> 01:08:02,682 ABOUT THAT >> THAT HE WAS THAT CLOSE TO 1193 01:08:02,682 --> 01:08:06,353 WHERE I WAS SITTING SCARED ME. >> Reporter: MOE'S WIFE 1194 01:08:06,353 --> 01:08:09,122 CHRISSY'S WAS SHAKEN TOO >> WHEN THE POLICE TOLD ME THEY 1195 01:08:09,122 --> 01:08:14,294 HAD HIS DNA AND THAT HE HAD DONE IT AND HE WAS ARRESTED, I 1196 01:08:14,294 --> 01:08:21,534 COULDN'T BELIEVE IT AT ALL I REALLY DIDN'T THINK HE WAS 1197 01:08:21,534 --> 01:08:29,109 CAPABLE OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> Reporter: A JURY WOULD SOON 1198 01:08:29,109 --> 01:08:30,377 HEAR THE CASE AGAINST MOE GIBBS. THE DNA EVIDENCE APPEARED TO PUT 1199 01:08:30,377 --> 01:08:31,878 HIM IN A CORNER. AND THE DNA EVIDENCE COULDN'T BE 1200 01:08:31,878 --> 01:08:33,313 WRONG, COULD IT? >> ARE YOU KIDDING ME? 1201 01:08:33,313 --> 01:08:35,448 WHAT DO YOU MEAN I SAW ALL THE EVIDENCE 1202 01:08:35,448 --> 01:08:37,050 I SAW ALL THE EVIDENCE I HEARD THE EVIDENCE 1203 01:08:56,569 --> 01:09:00,840 2006, MOE GIBBS WAS IN JAIL AWAITING TRIAL FOR THE MURDER OF 1204 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,009 MINDY MORGENSTERN. BUT A TRIAL WHO-KNOWS-WHEN WAS 1205 01:09:03,009 --> 01:09:07,681 LITTLE COMFORT TO MINDY'S MOM EUNICE 1206 01:09:07,681 --> 01:09:11,384 A FEW WEEKS AFTER MOE GIBBS', ARREST SHE WROTE HIM A LETTER. 1207 01:09:11,384 --> 01:09:14,554 >> AT THE TIME, IT SEEMED THE RIGHT THING TO DO BECAUSE IT WAS 1208 01:09:14,554 --> 01:09:17,190 TEARING ME APART INSIDE. I MEAN, I HAVE A STRONG FAITH, 1209 01:09:17,190 --> 01:09:23,029 BUT I'M NORMAL TOO AND I HAD A LOT OF FEELINGS, 1210 01:09:23,029 --> 01:09:30,537 EMOTIONS, AND QUESTIONS. I WANTED HIM TO TELL ME THAT HE 1211 01:09:30,537 --> 01:09:31,538 WAS SORRY THAT HE DID IT, THAT HE WOULD ADMIT IT. 1212 01:09:31,538 --> 01:09:35,208 NEVER EXPECTED TO HEAR BACK FROM HIM. 1213 01:09:35,208 --> 01:09:38,378 >> Reporter: BUT YOU DID >> YES, I DID. 1214 01:09:38,378 --> 01:09:39,646 HE DENIED EVERYTHING HE SAID, YOU KNOW, HE'D WORKED 1215 01:09:39,646 --> 01:09:45,251 HIS WHOLE LIFE TO TRY TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE. 1216 01:09:45,251 --> 01:09:46,386 >> Reporter: BUT AS HIS TRIAL DATE APPROACHED, MOE GIBBS 1217 01:09:46,386 --> 01:09:50,557 LOOKED LESS AND LESS LIKE AN INNOCENT MAN 1218 01:09:50,557 --> 01:09:56,863 >> AFTER THE WORD CAME OUT THAT WE ARRESTED HIM, THERE WAS FIVE 1219 01:09:56,863 --> 01:09:59,599 FEMALES THAT -- THAT CAME FORWARD THAT CLAIMED THAT MOE 1220 01:09:59,599 --> 01:10:01,634 HAD SEXUALLY ASSAULTED THEM IN THE CORRECTIONAL CENTER WHILE HE 1221 01:10:01,634 --> 01:10:04,270 WAS WORKIN'. HE WAS CHARGED WITH THOSE, ALONG 1222 01:10:04,270 --> 01:10:07,440 WITH THE SEXUAL ASSAULT THAT TOOK PLACE IN FARGO. 1223 01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:11,678 >> Reporter: FORMER NORTH DAKOTA ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL 1224 01:10:11,678 --> 01:10:19,619 JONATHAN BYERS WOULD HELP PROSECUTE THE MURDER CASE. 1225 01:10:19,619 --> 01:10:20,887 HE LEARNED THAT EVEN THOUGH MOE GIBBS HAD BEEN AN OFFICER OF THE 1226 01:10:20,887 --> 01:10:22,255 LAW, HE HAD A CRIMINAL PAST. >> THEY DISCOVERED A BACKGROUND 1227 01:10:22,255 --> 01:10:26,493 THAT THEY WERE TOTALLY UNAWARE OF WHEN HE WAS HIRED AS A JAILER 1228 01:10:26,493 --> 01:10:29,129 AT THE BARNES COUNTY JAIL. >> Reporter: NOBODY HAD ANY IDEA 1229 01:10:29,129 --> 01:10:31,264 THAT MOE GIBBS WASN'T EVEN MOE GIBBS. 1230 01:10:31,264 --> 01:10:34,434 >> RIGHT >> Reporter: HE'D CHANGED HIS 1231 01:10:34,434 --> 01:10:39,172 NAME BEFORE HE WAS MOE GIBBS, HE WAS 1232 01:10:39,172 --> 01:10:42,342 GLEN DALE MORGAN JR. WHILE HE WAS IN THE NAVY, HE WAS 1233 01:10:42,342 --> 01:10:44,778 INVOLVED IN A DRIVE-BY SHOOTING, SPENT MORE THAN FIVE YEARS IN 1234 01:10:44,778 --> 01:10:48,682 PRISON AND NOW HE WAS FACING LIFE 1235 01:10:48,682 --> 01:10:57,691 BEHIND BARS AS HIS TRIAL FOR MURDER GOT UNDER WAY IN 1236 01:10:57,691 --> 01:11:00,860 JUNE 2007. HOW WERE YOU FEELING 1237 01:11:00,860 --> 01:11:02,429 >> WELL, WE JUST THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, "OKAY, THEY'VE GOT THE 1238 01:11:02,429 --> 01:11:04,597 GUY. YOU KNOW, "THIS SHOULD BE OVER 1239 01:11:04,597 --> 01:11:05,699 IN A BIG HURRY." >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTOR TOLD 1240 01:11:05,699 --> 01:11:09,302 THE JURY MOE GIBBS' OWN STORY -- THE ONE WHEN HE'D BROUGHT HIS 1241 01:11:09,302 --> 01:11:11,638 STEP-DAUGHTER TO HIS INTERVIEW THAT STORY PUT HIM AT THE 1242 01:11:11,638 --> 01:11:13,073 APARTMENT BUILDING DURING THE CRITICAL WINDOW OF THE MURDER. 1243 01:11:13,073 --> 01:11:27,287 AND THERE WAS ALSO THIS. >> MOE GIBBS WAS A EXTENSIVE 1244 01:11:27,287 --> 01:11:28,455 TEXTER AND EMAILER, DOING SEARCHES ON HIS CELL PHONE, EVEN 1245 01:11:28,455 --> 01:11:29,923 AT WORK. BUT AROUND 12:30, WHICH IS 1246 01:11:29,923 --> 01:11:32,625 WHEN -- SHORTLY AFTER THAT WE BELIEVE THAT SHE WAS MURDERED, 1247 01:11:32,625 --> 01:11:35,962 HE WAS OFF THE GRID. >> Reporter: AND HE STAYED OFF 1248 01:11:35,962 --> 01:11:41,534 THE GRID FOR MORE THAN AN HOUR BEFORE RESUMING HIS PHONE 1249 01:11:41,534 --> 01:11:42,635 ACTIVITY SO THERE WAS THAT. 1250 01:11:42,635 --> 01:11:44,004 AND ALSO A FORMER CELLMATE OF MOE'S CAME FORWARD, SAID HE'D 1251 01:11:44,004 --> 01:11:47,907 HEARD MOE ACTUALLY ADMIT TO THE MURDER 1252 01:11:47,907 --> 01:11:54,214 >> HE SEEMED PRETTY BELIEVABLE TO US, SO WE DECIDED TO PUT HIM 1253 01:11:54,214 --> 01:11:55,315 ON THE STAND AND WE THOUGHT HE DID PRETTY 1254 01:11:55,315 --> 01:11:58,351 GOOD >> Reporter: TONI TESTIFIED TOO, 1255 01:11:58,351 --> 01:12:02,689 ABOUT FINDING MINDY'S BODY >> I WAS NERVOUS 1256 01:12:02,689 --> 01:12:05,325 I WAS SCARED I THINK I EVEN STARTED TO CHOKE 1257 01:12:05,325 --> 01:12:14,834 UP AND CRY AT ONE POINT. YOU'RE RELIVING THAT HORRIBLE 1258 01:12:14,834 --> 01:12:16,069 NIGHT AGAIN AND AGAIN. >> Reporter: BUT THE BACKBONE OF 1259 01:12:16,069 --> 01:12:17,303 THE PROSECUTION'S CASE WAS DNA >> IT WAS UNDERNEATH HER 1260 01:12:17,303 --> 01:12:18,204 FINGERNAILS. >> Reporter: THAT'S AS GOOD AS 1261 01:12:18,204 --> 01:12:19,639 IT GETS. >> THAT'S AS GOOD AS IT GETS 1262 01:12:19,639 --> 01:12:22,242 >> Reporter: 21 MEN HAD GIVEN DNA SAMPLES TO INVESTIGATORS, 1263 01:12:22,242 --> 01:12:26,980 SAID THE PROSECUTOR, AND THE ONLY MATCH WAS MOE 1264 01:12:26,980 --> 01:12:31,217 DID YOU PRESENT A MOTIVE FOR MURDER 1265 01:12:31,217 --> 01:12:35,989 >> OUR GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS IS THAT IT WAS SEXUALLY MOTIVATED 1266 01:12:35,989 --> 01:12:38,091 >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTION'S THEORY WAS THAT MOE GIBBS WENT 1267 01:12:38,091 --> 01:12:42,862 INTO MINDY'S APARTMENT LIKELY WANTING SEX. 1268 01:12:42,862 --> 01:12:46,132 AND WHEN SHE FOUGHT BACK, HE FLEW INTO A RAGE, STRANGLED HER 1269 01:12:46,132 --> 01:12:50,804 WITH HER BELT, AND STABBED HER WITH THE KNIVES FROM HER OWN 1270 01:12:50,804 --> 01:12:53,440 KITCHEN, DOUSING HER WITH PINE-SOL 1271 01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:57,143 >> BUT WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO PRESENT OUR BELIEF IN THAT 1272 01:12:57,143 --> 01:12:58,945 MOTIVE >> Reporter: NOR DID THE JUDGE 1273 01:12:58,945 --> 01:13:01,381 ALLOW THE JURY TO HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THE SEXUAL ASSAULT 1274 01:13:01,381 --> 01:13:02,949 ALLEGATIONS BY WOMEN AT THE JAIL 1275 01:13:02,949 --> 01:13:06,653 AND THEY WOULD HEAR NOTHING ABOUT THAT VIOLENT RAPE IN 1276 01:13:06,653 --> 01:13:09,322 FARGO. TOO PREJUDICIAL, HE RULED. 1277 01:13:09,322 --> 01:13:11,925 THAT, OF COURSE, WAS HELPFUL TO MOE'S DEFENSE. 1278 01:13:11,925 --> 01:13:19,332 AS WAS THIS QUITE REMARKABLE FACT -- NEITHER MOE'S 1279 01:13:19,332 --> 01:13:27,807 FINGERPRINTS NOR HIS DNA WAS FOUND ON EITHER ONE OF THE TWO 1280 01:13:27,807 --> 01:13:30,543 KNIVES USED TO KILL MINDY. IN FACT, WASN'T SOME OTHER MALE 1281 01:13:30,543 --> 01:13:35,715 PERSON'S DNA FOUND ON THOSE KNIVES AND IN THAT APARTMENT 1282 01:13:35,715 --> 01:13:39,452 >> THERE WERE TWO OTHER MALES' DNA FOUND ON THOSE KNIVES. 1283 01:13:39,452 --> 01:13:44,190 ANOTHER THING WAS A HAIR IN THE PALM OF MINDY'S HAND, AS SHE LAY 1284 01:13:44,190 --> 01:13:51,564 THERE. >> Reporter: WHICH WASN'T MOE 1285 01:13:51,564 --> 01:13:55,268 GIBBS' HAIR? >> WHICH WASN'T MOE GIBBS' HAIR. 1286 01:13:55,268 --> 01:13:56,870 >> Reporter: THE FORENSICS SEEMED TO CUT BOTH WAYS. 1287 01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:58,471 THE DEFENSE ARGUED MOE GIBBS' DNA COULD EASILY HAVE BEEN 1288 01:13:58,471 --> 01:14:01,107 TRANSFERRED TO MINDY FROM SOMETHING THEY HAD BOTH TOUCHED. 1289 01:14:01,107 --> 01:14:03,276 >> THE HALLWAY DOORS OR THE OUTSIDE DOOR IN THE APARTMENT 1290 01:14:03,276 --> 01:14:10,150 BUILDING, AND THAT MINDY TOUCHED THE SAME DOOR AND GOT HIS DNA 1291 01:14:10,150 --> 01:14:11,685 UNDER HER FINGERNAILS WAS -- WAS WHAT THEY PRESENTED TO THE JURY 1292 01:14:11,685 --> 01:14:15,922 AS THEIR THEORY. >> Reporter: AND AS FOR THAT 1293 01:14:15,922 --> 01:14:17,157 JAILHOUSE SNITCH WHO'D TESTIFIED MOE HAD CONFESSED TO KILLING 1294 01:14:17,157 --> 01:14:19,693 MINDY -- THE DEFENSE COUNTERED HE HAD A LONG RAP SHEET AND A 1295 01:14:19,693 --> 01:14:20,660 HISTORY OF GIVING FALSE INFORMATION. 1296 01:14:20,660 --> 01:14:30,203 THE JURY LISTENED ATTENTIVELY AND THEN WENT AWAY TO THINK 1297 01:14:30,203 --> 01:14:31,304 ABOUT IT AND MINDY'S FAMILY WAITED AND 1298 01:14:31,304 --> 01:14:32,305 WAITED IT WENT ON AND ON. 1299 01:14:32,305 --> 01:14:33,873 >> IT WENT ON AND ON >> Reporter: AFTER FOUR DAYS OF 1300 01:14:33,873 --> 01:14:35,075 BACK AND FORTH IN THE JURY ROOM, SIX JURORS WERE SURE HE WAS 1301 01:14:35,075 --> 01:14:40,780 GUILTY AND SIX WERE NOT. DEADLOCK 1302 01:14:40,780 --> 01:14:46,086 >> I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT A HUNG JURY WAS 1303 01:14:46,086 --> 01:14:50,824 AND I THOUGHT, "DOES THIS MEAN HE'S GETTING OFF?" 1304 01:14:50,824 --> 01:14:51,858 >> IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. 1305 01:14:51,858 --> 01:14:57,697 BUT YOU HAD TO JUST ACCEPT IT. >> Reporter: WHILE MINDY'S 1306 01:14:57,697 --> 01:14:59,265 FAMILY AND FRIENDS WERE DUMBFOUNDED, MOE'S WIFE CHRISSY, 1307 01:14:59,265 --> 01:15:00,333 WHO'D DIVORCED HER HUSBAND, WAS TERRIFIED. 1308 01:15:00,333 --> 01:15:06,673 >> I WAS VERY SCARED THAT HE WAS GONNA GET OUT. 1309 01:15:06,673 --> 01:15:07,741 MY FAMILY WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE SAME THING 1310 01:15:07,741 --> 01:15:11,044 I REMEMBER THAT WE WERE READY IF HE WERE TO EVER SHOW UP THERE. 1311 01:15:11,044 --> 01:15:16,750 >> Reporter: BUT MOE REMAINED BEHIND BARS AND STAYED THERE 1312 01:15:16,750 --> 01:15:18,818 UNTIL HE COULD BE TRIED AGAIN. >> AND I THOUGHT, "OH, NOW WE'VE 1313 01:15:18,818 --> 01:15:23,056 GOT TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS AGAIN. 1314 01:15:23,056 --> 01:15:27,827 >> Reporter: MORE PAINFUL TESTIMONY AND MORE WAITING 1315 01:15:27,827 --> 01:15:28,962 WHAT WERE YOU THINKING >> OH, I WAS THINKIN', "ARE WE 1316 01:15:28,962 --> 01:15:29,929 >> OH, I WAS THINKIN', "ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO ACTUALLY TO DO 1317 01:15:50,216 --> 01:16:02,095 AND HER FRIENDS, THE DEADLOCK IN MOE GIBBS' MURDER TRIAL WAS 1318 01:16:02,095 --> 01:16:08,201 BEWILDERING, AND SHATTERING. >> FOR IT TO COME TO THAT AND 1319 01:16:08,201 --> 01:16:09,769 NOT GET ANY TYPE OF CLOSURE, IT JUST KINDA BLEW MY MIND. 1320 01:16:09,769 --> 01:16:11,037 >> Reporter: AS MINDY'S FAMILY WORRIED ABOUT GETTING JUSTICE, 1321 01:16:11,037 --> 01:16:12,105 SO TOO DID THE YOUNG WOMAN WHO'D BEEN ASSAULTED IN FARGO. 1322 01:16:12,105 --> 01:16:13,106 SHE WAS RELUCTANTLY PREPARING FOR HER OWN TRIAL. 1323 01:16:13,106 --> 01:16:17,911 AND YOU'D HAVE TO TES >> IT WAS HARD 1324 01:16:17,911 --> 01:16:24,084 IT WAS HARD TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CRIME SCENE PHOTOS OF 1325 01:16:24,084 --> 01:16:30,423 MYSELF >> Reporter: I BET 1326 01:16:30,423 --> 01:16:32,058 IN OCTOBER 2007, NEARLY FOUR MONTHS AFTER HIS FIRST MURDER 1327 01:16:32,058 --> 01:16:35,695 TRIAL, MOE GIBBS' SECOND TRIAL GOT UNDERWAY 1328 01:16:35,695 --> 01:16:40,433 EUNICE, WHO HADN'T BEEN ALLOWED TO ATTEND THE FIRST TRIAL 1329 01:16:40,433 --> 01:16:41,601 BECAUSE SHE WAS ON THE WITNESS LIST, SAT RIGHT THERE IN THE 1330 01:16:41,601 --> 01:16:43,737 COURTROOM. HER DAUGHTER'S ACCUSED KILLER IN 1331 01:16:43,737 --> 01:16:47,307 FRONT OF HER WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE ON HIM THEN 1332 01:16:47,307 --> 01:16:53,646 >> HE CARRIED HIMSELF LIKE, YOU KNOW, BIG, STRONG PERSON 1333 01:16:53,646 --> 01:16:57,917 AND HE'S PRETTY COCKY. >> Reporter: THE TRIAL PLAYED 1334 01:16:57,917 --> 01:16:59,486 OUT MUCH AS IT HAD BEFORE, THOSE PENDING CHARGES OF SEXUAL 1335 01:16:59,486 --> 01:17:02,155 ASSAULT STILL INADMISSIBLE BUT WHEN IT CAME TO THE DNA 1336 01:17:02,155 --> 01:17:05,291 EVIDENCE, THE PROSECUTOR CAME PREPARED 1337 01:17:05,291 --> 01:17:09,029 HOW DID YOU CHANGE YOUR APPROACH IN THIS SECOND TRIAL 1338 01:17:09,029 --> 01:17:19,673 >> WE MADE SURE THAT WE WERE BETTER EQUIPPED WITH DNA EXPERTS 1339 01:17:19,673 --> 01:17:20,707 TO EXPLAIN THE AMOUNT OF DNA, AND WHAT THAT MEANT. 1340 01:17:20,707 --> 01:17:27,047 >> Reporter: DNA EXPERT AFTER DNA EXPERT TOOK THE STAND TO 1341 01:17:27,047 --> 01:17:28,214 REFUTE MOE GIBBS' CLAIM THAT HIS DNA MUST HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED 1342 01:17:28,214 --> 01:17:31,851 TO MINDY AFTER SHE TOUCHED A DOOR HANDLE HE MIGHT HAVE USED, 1343 01:17:31,851 --> 01:17:35,455 OR ELSE FROM HIS BRIEF VISIT TO HER APARTMENT. 1344 01:17:35,455 --> 01:17:39,693 >> THE PROSECUTION BROUGHT IN AN EXPERT AND THAT -- EXPERT 1345 01:17:39,693 --> 01:17:40,927 TESTIFIED THAT "THIS AMOUNT OF DNA COULD ONLY HAVE GOTTEN UNDER 1346 01:17:40,927 --> 01:17:49,736 HER FINGERNAILS BY -- VIGOROUS PHYSICAL CONTACT." 1347 01:17:49,736 --> 01:17:51,971 >> VIGOROUSLY ATTEMPTING TO GRAB THEIR ARM STRONGLY AND RUN YOUR 1348 01:17:51,971 --> 01:17:56,076 FINGERNAILS DOWN THEIR ARM AT THAT POINT 1349 01:17:56,076 --> 01:17:59,245 ATTACK YOUR DNA EVIDENCE THIS TIME 1350 01:17:59,245 --> 01:18:01,381 >> THEY BROUGHT IN A DIRECTOR OF A DNA LAB WHO WAS ACTUALLY 1351 01:18:01,381 --> 01:18:05,051 QUINCY'S LAB ASSISTANT ON THAT OLD QUINCY TELEVISION SHOW 1352 01:18:05,051 --> 01:18:09,022 >> Reporter: REALLY? >> HE WAS THEIR, I GUESS, STAR 1353 01:18:09,022 --> 01:18:11,424 WITNESS. >> Reporter: THAT'S RIGHT, THE 1354 01:18:11,424 --> 01:18:16,696 DEFENSE'S DNA EXPERT HAD ALSO APPEARED AS AN ACTOR IN A TV 1355 01:18:16,696 --> 01:18:18,365 SHOW ABOUT A CRIME SOLVING MEDICAL EXAMINER AND THEN HE'D 1356 01:18:18,365 --> 01:18:25,171 GONE ON TO RUN HIS OWN CRIME LAB. 1357 01:18:25,171 --> 01:18:26,339 HE SAID GIBBS' DNA COULD HAVE ENDED UP ON MINDY'S BODY BY 1358 01:18:26,339 --> 01:18:28,108 ACCIDENT AND THE DEFENSE REMINDED THE 1359 01:18:28,108 --> 01:18:36,850 JURY THAT THEIR CLIENT'S DNA AND FINGERPRINTS WERE NOT FOUND ON 1360 01:18:36,850 --> 01:18:38,351 THE MURDER WEAPONS THEN THE CASE WENT TO THE JURY 1361 01:18:38,351 --> 01:18:39,419 AND IT WAS DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN. 1362 01:18:39,419 --> 01:18:41,054 >> WE HAD SOME DELIBERATION ON TUESDAY. 1363 01:18:41,054 --> 01:18:52,098 WEDNESDAY CAME AND WENT. THURSDAY CAME AND WENT 1364 01:18:52,098 --> 01:18:53,166 FRIDAY IS HERE AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE A VERDICT 1365 01:18:53,166 --> 01:18:54,234 >> Reporter: HAD TO BE WORRIED I MEAN - 1366 01:18:54,234 --> 01:18:55,402 THOSE HOURS TICK BY PRETTY SLOWLY WHEN YOU'RE WAITING FOR A 1367 01:18:55,402 --> 01:18:57,404 JURY TO COME BACK. >> IT WAS VERY -- INTENSE. 1368 01:18:57,404 --> 01:19:02,175 >> YOUR HEART JUST POUNDS, YOU KNOW 1369 01:19:02,175 --> 01:19:08,014 >> Reporter: AND THEN THE JURY CAME BACK. 1370 01:19:08,014 --> 01:19:09,249 >> AS SOON AS WE HEARD THAT THEY WERE GONNA MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT 1371 01:19:09,249 --> 01:19:12,218 WE HEADED OVER THE COURTHOUSE -- AND WERE -- WERE THERE FOR MOM 1372 01:19:12,218 --> 01:19:17,023 AND DAD. >> WE THE JURY DO FIND THE 1373 01:19:17,023 --> 01:19:24,397 DEFENDANT MOE M. GIBBS GUILTY OF THE CRIME OF MURDER. 1374 01:19:24,397 --> 01:19:34,407 >> YOU FEEL RELIEF WHEN YOU HEAR THE RESULTS THAT HE'S GUILTY 1375 01:19:34,407 --> 01:19:39,713 BUT YET, YOU FEEL BAD, TOO, AT THE SAME TIME. 1376 01:19:39,713 --> 01:19:44,451 >> Reporter: BAD >> IT'S SUCH A WASTE 1377 01:19:44,451 --> 01:19:45,685 IT'S NOT GONNA BRING MINDY BACK. AND THAT'S THE SADDEST PART OF 1378 01:19:45,685 --> 01:19:52,926 THE WHOLE THING. IT'S SUCH A WASTE. 1379 01:19:52,926 --> 01:19:55,562 >> IT'S FINALLY OVER >> Reporter: AT HIS SENTENCING, 1380 01:19:55,562 --> 01:20:00,867 EUNICE ADDRESSED MOE GIBBS AND SAID SOMETHING EXTRAORDINARY 1381 01:20:00,867 --> 01:20:06,139 >> MR. GIBBS, I FORGIVE YOU PUBLICLY HERE. 1382 01:20:06,139 --> 01:20:10,577 AND I ALSO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I WON'T FORGET WHAT YOU DID TO 1383 01:20:10,577 --> 01:20:11,511 MINDY. IF YOU DON'T FORGIVE SOMEONE, 1384 01:20:11,511 --> 01:20:15,648 THEY HAVE POWER OVER YOU AND THEY CAN MAKE YOUR LIFE 1385 01:20:15,648 --> 01:20:24,657 MISERABLE AND BITTER AND FULL OF HATE 1386 01:20:24,657 --> 01:20:32,599 >> Reporter: BUT IN COURT, MOE GIBBS KEPT UP HIS SAME OLD 1387 01:20:32,599 --> 01:20:37,871 STORY. >> I DID NOT COMMIT THIS CRIME 1388 01:20:37,871 --> 01:20:39,039 IF AND WHEN THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY DID THIS CRIME CAME TO 1389 01:20:39,039 --> 01:20:40,240 JUSTICE, I WOULD FORGIVE THEM JUST AS SHE WOULD HAVE FORGAVE 1390 01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:41,107 ME >> Reporter: AND HE NEVER DID 1391 01:20:41,107 --> 01:20:43,677 CONFESS, RIGHT HE ALWAYS DENIED IT. 1392 01:20:43,677 --> 01:20:45,845 >> I'M STILL WAITING GOD IS THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS. 1393 01:20:45,845 --> 01:20:47,013 >> Reporter: THE JUDGE GAVE MOE GIBBS LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE. 1394 01:20:47,013 --> 01:20:49,482 I WONDER WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED HAD YOU NOT BAGGED 1395 01:20:49,482 --> 01:20:51,618 THOSE HANDS AND HAD MINDY'S FINGERNAILS NOT KINDA GIVEN YOU 1396 01:20:51,618 --> 01:20:52,786 THE ANSWER TO THE SECRET >> WE WOULD'VE NEVER SOLVED THIS 1397 01:20:52,786 --> 01:20:56,356 CASE >> Reporter: HER FIGHTING BACK 1398 01:20:56,356 --> 01:20:58,024 WAS WHAT HELPED IT GET SOLVED. >> HER -- HER FIGHTING BACK -- 1399 01:20:58,024 --> 01:21:04,297 SHE TOLD US WHO HER ASSAILANT WAS BY FIGHTING BACK 1400 01:21:04,297 --> 01:21:05,899 >> Reporter: AS FOR THE OTHER CHARGES AGAINST HIM -- 1401 01:21:05,899 --> 01:21:07,100 >> HE ACTUALLY PLED GUILTY TO THE FIVE SEXUAL ACCOUNTS IN -- 1402 01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:10,704 AT THE JAIL IN BARNES COUNTY AND HE PLED GUILTY TO THE CASE 1403 01:21:10,704 --> 01:21:13,273 IN FARGO >> Reporter: THAT WAS A RELIEF 1404 01:21:13,273 --> 01:21:14,407 FOR HIS VICTIM SHE DID MUSTER THE COURAGE TO 1405 01:21:14,407 --> 01:21:18,411 FACE HIM HEAD ON AT HIS SENTENCING FOR RAPE. 1406 01:21:18,411 --> 01:21:23,316 >> Reporter: WHAT'D YOU SAY? >> A LOT OF THINGS 1407 01:21:23,316 --> 01:21:30,190 I WASN'T VERY NICE TO HIM. HE HAS DAUGHTERS OF HIS OWN. 1408 01:21:30,190 --> 01:21:33,360 SO, I JUST SAID TO IMAGINE HIS DAUGHTERS SCREAMING, LIKE I 1409 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:34,961 SCREAMED THAT NIGHT. >> Reporter: SHE STILL LIVES 1410 01:21:34,961 --> 01:21:38,631 WITH THE TRAUMA OF WHAT HAPPENED 1411 01:21:38,631 --> 01:21:43,403 OF COURSE -- TOLD US SURVIVORS GUILT, THOUGH PERHAPS 1412 01:21:43,403 --> 01:21:47,640 IRRATIONAL, IS A REAL THING. BUT SHE'S MARRIED NOW, HAS 1413 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,845 CHILDREN OF HER OWN, TO WHOM SHE'LL TELL THIS STORY, HERS AND 1414 01:21:51,845 --> 01:21:53,847 MINDY'S, WHEN THEY ARE OLDER >> I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW 1415 01:21:53,847 --> 01:22:05,058 THAT THERE IS LIFE, HAPPINESS AFTER THIS 1416 01:22:05,058 --> 01:22:06,126 >> Reporter: IT'S HARD, BUT YOU GET THERE. 1417 01:22:06,126 --> 01:22:08,762 >> YOU DO. >> Reporter: IN A VERY, YOU 1418 01:22:08,762 --> 01:22:09,829 KNOW, DIRECT WAY, MINDY SOLVED THE CASES. 1419 01:22:09,829 --> 01:22:13,066 NOT ONLY HER OWN CASE, BUT THE RAPE IN FARGO. 1420 01:22:13,066 --> 01:22:14,601 HAS THAT EVER OCCURRED TO YOU? >> YEAH. 1421 01:22:14,601 --> 01:22:20,940 JUST KNOWING HER, SHE -- SHE SO MUCH JUST WANTED RIGHT TO 1422 01:22:20,940 --> 01:22:23,076 PREVAIL. SHE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD IT ANY 1423 01:22:23,076 --> 01:22:27,914 OTHER WAY. >> KNOWING THAT ALL THAT JUSTICE 1424 01:22:27,914 --> 01:22:29,949 WAS TAKEN CARE OF FOR ALL THOSE OTHER VICTIMS, SHE WOULD'VE 1425 01:22:29,949 --> 01:22:38,958 GLADLY GIVEN HER LIFE FOR THAT SHE WAS THAT KIND OF A PERSON. 1426 01:22:38,958 --> 01:22:43,163 >> Reporter: IT HASN'T BEEN EASY TO LOSE THAT KIND OF PERSON. 1427 01:22:43,163 --> 01:22:48,435 THE GIRL WHO LED THE LAUGHTER FROM THE HEAD OF THE TABLE IS 1428 01:22:48,435 --> 01:22:49,969 GONE >> OUR FAMILY WAS ROBBED 1429 01:22:49,969 --> 01:22:54,774 WE WERE NEVER GONNA HAVE THOSE FAMILY DINNERS AGAIN 1430 01:22:54,774 --> 01:22:59,546 >> INNOCENCE WAS TAKEN, YEAH >> YEAH. 1431 01:22:59,546 --> 01:23:03,249 A LIGHT WAS KINDA TAKEN FROM BOTH MY PARENTS, YOU KNOW? 1432 01:23:03,249 --> 01:23:06,920 THAT -- THAT WAS THE HARDEST PART FOR ME. 1433 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:13,293 >> Reporter: BUT IN SOME WAY, LARRY AND EUNICE HAVE BEEN ABLE 1434 01:23:13,293 --> 01:23:14,461 TO FIND PEACE. THEY TAKE COMFORT IN THEIR FAITH 1435 01:23:14,461 --> 01:23:18,598 AND FAMILY, AND THEIR MEMORIES OF MINDY 1436 01:23:18,598 --> 01:23:22,302 IN VALLEY CITY, THERE IS A HEART-SHAPED GARDEN NOT FAR FROM 1437 01:23:22,302 --> 01:23:23,503 WHERE SHE LIVED, A PLACE WHERE ALL THOSE PEOPLE SHE CONNECTED 1438 01:23:23,503 --> 01:23:28,808 CAN REMEMBER THE SPIRIT OF HER BEAUTIFUL, SHORT LIFE. 1439 01:23:28,808 --> 01:23:32,879 >> I HAVE THREE KIDS, AND THEY NEVER MET MINDY. 1440 01:23:32,879 --> 01:23:34,080 BUT WE TALK OFTEN ABOUT MINDY. >> WE WERE SO LUCKY JUST TO BE 1441 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:39,786 TOUCHED BY HER JUST THE FEW YEARS THAT WE GOT TO KNOW HER. 1442 01:23:39,786 --> 01:23:42,355 >> AND SHE LIVED HER LIFE WITH SO MUCH JOY. 1443 01:23:42,355 --> 01:23:47,193 AND FOR US HERE, WE'RE STILL HERE TO LIVE LIKE THAT, CARRY 1444 01:23:47,193 --> 01:23:50,797 JOY, MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE'S LIVES, AND LOVE THEM 1445 01:23:50,797 --> 01:23:56,636 WELL 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHE DID 1446 01:23:56,636 --> 01:23:59,806 >>> THAT'S ALL FOR THIS EDITION OF DATELINE. 1447 01:23:59,806 --> 01:24:01,574 WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT FRIDAY AT NINE, EIGHT CENTRAL AND OF 1448 01:24:01,574 --> 01:24:05,578 AT NINE, EIGHT CENTRAL AND OF COURSE, I'LL SEE YOU EACH