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My film is not a movie.
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My film is not about Vietnam.
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It is Vietnam.
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It's what it was really like. It was crazy.
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And the way we made it was very much
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like the way
the Americans were in Vietnam.
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We were in the jungle.
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There were too many of us.
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We had access to too much money,
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too much equipment,
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and little by little, we went insane.
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This movie I'm making
is not in the tradition
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of the great Max OphГјls
or David Lean even.
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This movie was made in the tradition of
Irwin Allen.
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I made the most vulgar, entertaining,
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exciting, action-full, sensoramic,
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give-them-a-new-thrill-
every-five-minutes,
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have it everything, sex, violence, humor,
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because I want people
to come and see it.
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But the questions that I kept facing
or running into,
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into the stupid script about
four guys going up to kill a guy...
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But that was the story.
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But the questions that that story
kept putting me, I couldn't answer.
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Yet I knew that I had constructed
the film in such a way
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that to not answer would be to fail.
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The film Francis is making is
a metaphor for a journey into self.
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He has made that journey
and is still making it.
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It's scary to watch someone you love
go into the center of himself
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and confront his fears,
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fear of failure, fear of death,
fear of going insane.
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You have to fail a little,
die a little, go insane a little,
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to come out the other side.
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The process is not over for Francis.
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My greatest fear
is to make a really shitty,
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embarrassing, pompous film
on an important subject,
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and I am doing it.
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I confront it. I acknowledge.
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I will tell you right straight from
the most sincere depths of my heart,
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the film will not be good.
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It's like going to school.
You finish your term paper
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and maybe you get a B instead
of an A+ that you wanted,
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so you got a B.
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But I'm gonna get an F.
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This film is a $20-million disaster.
Why won't anyone believe me?
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I am thinking of shooting myself!
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Good evening.
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This is Orson Welles
inviting you to listen now
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to The Heart of Darkness
by Joseph Conrad.
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Imagine the feelings of a skipper
of a fine frigate or a bark.
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A civilized man
at the very end of the world.
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He'd land in a swamp,
march through the woods,
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and in some inland post
feel the savagery,
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the utter savagery that stirs
in the forests and the jungles
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in the hearts of wild men.
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In 1939, Orson Welles planned
to make Heart of Darkness
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as his first motion picture.
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Heart of Darkness is the story
of a ship captain's journey
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up the Congo River
to find Mr. Kurtz, an ivory trader
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stationed deep in the jungle.
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A brilliant man of high ideals,
Kurtz intends to enlighten the natives.
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Instead, he succumbs
to the primal temptations
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of the jungle and goes insane.
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Screen tests were done
with Welles as Kurtz
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and sets were designed,
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but the studio backed away
from the project,
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fearing the elaborate production
would go over budget.
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Welles made Citizen Kane instead.
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Heart of Darkness was abandoned
in pre-production.
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In 1969, Francis founded
American Zoetrope,
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a company dedicated to filmmaking
outside of the Hollywood system.
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One of their first projects
was Apocalypse Now,
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a Vietnam War story based loosely
on Heart of Darkness.
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Apocalypse Now concerns
a Captain Willard on his mission
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to assassinate
a Green Beret colonel named Kurtz.
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Kurtz has gone insane
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and is conducting the war
on his own terms deep in Cambodia.
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George Lucas was to direct
John Milius' screenplay.
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Francis said that Heart of Darkness,
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which was one of my favorite things
I'd ever read,
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he said it had been tried
and no one could lick it.
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He said that Orson Welles tried it
and he couldn't lick it.
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Richard Brooks, I think,
or somebody else...
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That's the best thing
to tell a young writing student,
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you know, say,
"No one could possibly write this."
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That was the first thing I tried.
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The war was raging then,
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and everybody was either
getting set to go or to get out of it
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or whatever they were going to do.
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And we prepared a method of
doing this whole thing in Vietnam.
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We were going to do it
in 16 millimeter in Vietnam.
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That was John's idea.
That was John's idea.
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I was the one that was gonna
have to go over and do it.
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John is very good at being grand.
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We would have been there right in time
for Tet, probably and whatever.
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And all these people
that were in school with me
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who'd done terrible things
or were planning to go to Canada,
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do something as drastic
as getting married to avoid the war,
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they were willing to go to Vietnam.
They didn't care.
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They wanted to carry lights
and sound equipment over minefields.
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And I think that Warner Brothers
finally backed off on it
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because they figured
most of us would probably be killed
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because we were so stupid.
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We then tried to take Apocalypse
around to all the other studios.
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Nobody wanted to have anything to do
with it and they just... "No way."
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Why?
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Because it was during the war
and there was a lot of...
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I don't know whether it was pressure
or just fear or whatever,
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but the studios would not finance a film
about the Vietnam War.
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People were so bitter
about the war, you know,
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that there were riots.
Remember, we were living at a time
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when there really were riots
on the streets.
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People were spitting on soldiers.
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And studio executives,
they're the last people
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who are gonna get
in the middle of that thing.
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Studio executives are not noted
for their social courage.
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Without a studio,
Apocalypse Now was shelved,
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and Francis put his dreams
for Zoetrope on hold.
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He went on to direct
The Godfather Parts I and II.
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The films won eight Academy Awards
and made Francis a multimillionaire.
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In 1975, he revived his plans
for Zoetrope
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and chose Apocalypse Now
as its first project.
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I was in the position whereas I wanted
to always write original work.
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Original work really takes
six, eight months minimum to do,
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and here was the script of Apocalypse
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that we could clean up
and send out immediately.
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So I basically said,
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"Well, what if I just
did Apocalypse Now?"
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And in doing so,
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we were able to make our company
independent and further our goal.
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But nothing really prepared me
for the date I had
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with trying to do a modern telling
of Heart of Darkness
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in a Vietnam setting.
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Mike, would you read Kilgore?
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Glenn, I'd like you to read... No.
I'll wait for a minute.
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I'd like Tommy, you read Willard.
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Freddy's gonna read Chef.
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And, Sam, you read Lance.
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And, Albert, you read Chief, okay?
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Let's just... What we'll do now,
we'll just read it, just to read it,
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to know what we're doing.
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Apocalypse Now has been budgeted
at $13 million.
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In order to maintain creative control,
Francis had to raise the money himself.
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If the film goes over budget,
Francis is responsible.
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He has put up our personal assets
as collateral.
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A couple of million dollars
of Francis' money was in it.
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But that was Francis' style.
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His philosophy was always,
and remains to this date is,
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"I'm gonna go and make the movie.
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"And if everybody knows
I'm going to make it,
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"it will fall into place.
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"And if I don't go forward
as if I'm making it and start making it,
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"nothing will happen."
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My attitude towards money has always
been, "I don't have very much of it,
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"but if I use it in a very audacious way,
it multiplies it."
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If you have $1,000, but you're willing
to use it, really not caring of risking,
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you can make it feel like $10,000.
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Marlon Brando has sent word
that he will do the part of Kurtz.
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Brando has agreed to three weeks
of shooting at a million dollars a week.
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Francis sent him a $1 million advance.
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After auditioning dozens of actors,
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Harvey Keitel has been cast
as Captain Willard.
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For the four-man boat crew
who will take Willard upriver,
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Sam Bottoms will play Lance.
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Albert Hall, Chief.
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Frederic Forrest, Chef,
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and Larry Fishburne, age 14,
will play Mr. Clean.
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The whole thing's really fun.
I mean, a war is fun. Shit.
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You can do anything you want to.
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That's why Vietnam must
have been so much fun
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for the guys that were out there.
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I mean, like, I know this one dude
who came back. Shit.
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And he's nothing but a dope smoker,
and all he does is smoke dope.
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He said, "Vietnam was the best thing
they could have done for my ass."
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The Philippines has been chosen
as the location
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because of its similarity
to the terrain in Vietnam.
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Since the US Army
has refused to cooperate
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with a movie about the Vietnam War,
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Francis has made a deal with
Philippine President, Ferdinand Marcos.
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The production will pay the military
thousands of dollars per day
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as well as overtime
for the Philippine pilots.
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In return, Francis can use
Marcos' entire fleet of helicopters
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as long as they're not needed to fight
the communist insurgency in the south.
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A band of rebels
has been waging a fierce war
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for control of
the southern Philippine islands.
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But the real phenomenon
of being in that situation,
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being in the middle of that jungle
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and dealing with all the unfriendly
elements that we were dealing with
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was part of what the movie was about.
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That was the first directorial decision
that put us all in a circumstance
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that reflected, you know,
what the movie was about.
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I gave him all the information
that we had developed
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on shooting in the Philippines.
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I said, "Francis,
it's one thing to go over there
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"for three weeks with, like, five people
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"and sort of scrounge a lot of footage
using the Philippine army.
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"But if you go over there
as a big Hollywood production,
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"they're gonna kill you, you know.
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"The longer you stay,
the more in danger you are
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"of getting sucked into the swamp."
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On March 1st, I came to the Philippines
with Francis and our three children,
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Gio, 12, Roman, 10,
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and Sofia, four.
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Francis has asked me
to make a documentary film
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for the United Artists
publicity department.
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I don't know if he wants to avoid
the addition of a professional team
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on an already-overloaded production
or if he's just trying to keep me busy.
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The heat and humidity
are overwhelming.
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It's the first time any of us
have seen water buffalo,
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rice paddies and nipa huts.
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Sofia said, "It looks like
the Disneyland jungle cruise."
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Today, I shot some footage
of the construction
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at the main set, Kurtz's compound.
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It is supposed to be
a decaying Cambodian temple
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at the end of the river
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where the character of Willard
will confront Kurtz.
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Dean Tavoularis,
the production designer,
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is orchestrating
the construction of the temple
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out of dried adobe blocks,
each weighing 300 pounds.
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There were 600 people
working on this thing.
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In Hollywood or New York,
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if you want another person,
it's quite a big deal.
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With the fringes and their salary,
it's thousands of dollars.
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So, for a dollar a day
or three dollars a day,
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I hope we weren't taking advantage of
people, but that's what they were paid.
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So, you could get not one person.
You could get 10 or 20 or 100.
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Ever since I was a student in college,
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we used to do a thing
before every production,
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and since I've been making films,
we did it,
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and it made those films have good luck.
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And what it is...
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Everyone kind of just grab someone
or touch someone
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that's connected with everyone.
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Gather round
so that everybody can see.
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- Good luck.
- Good luck.
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And then we say this word three times.
"Puwaba."
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- What's the word?
- Puwaba.
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Puwaba.
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One, two, three.
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Puwaba, puwaba, puwaba!
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Hey!
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It's the first day of shooting.
There's a current of excitement.
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The location is a salt farm
next to a river.
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In the scene, a helicopter brings Willard
to meet the patrol boat
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that will take him on his mission.
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Okay. Stand by!
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Action!
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On one level, the film
is an action-adventure story.
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It's a story of a journey
into a strange and unknown area,
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but it also will hopefully exist
on a philosophical and allegorical level,
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so that, ultimately,
my desire is that it sheds some light
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on the events that took place
and why they took place
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and what it did
to the people involved in them.
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Almost we are persuaded
that there is something after all,
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something essential waiting for all of us
in the dark areas of the world,
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aboriginally loathsome, immeasurable,
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and certainly, nameless.
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Last night, Francis watched the footage
from the first week's shooting.
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They were the scenes
with Harvey Keitel, who plays Willard.
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Afterward, he sat down on the couch
with the editors and said,
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"Well, what do you think?"
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I went upstairs to say
good night to the children,
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and when I came down
15 minutes later,
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Francis had made the decision
to replace his leading man.
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We bit the bullet
and did a very, very unpleasant thing,
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which is replace an actor
in mid-shooting.
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Not only unpleasant, but expensive,
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since we had to throw out
several weeks of work and start over.
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Take one.
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Action.
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What do you think, Willard?
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Terminate the Colonel.
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Terminate with extreme prejudice.
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Two days ago, Francis shaved off
his beard and flew to Los Angeles.
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He met with Martin Sheen at the airport.
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Marty agreed to take the role of Willard.
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I had some personal concerns
about my own physical condition.
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I was 36 at the time,
and I felt old and out of shape,
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and I was smoking three packs a day,
not a healthy guy.
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I wondered if I'd be able
to keep up a strenuous schedule.
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At the time I hired on, I remember
it was only a 16-week shoot,
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which didn't prove to be the case,
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but who knew that at the time?
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It is the fifth week of shooting.
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It's getting hotter
as we move into summer.
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Every day,
the project seems to get bigger.
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Now, what I want is,
let's say, five helicopters, right?
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Then you have a camera here,
a camera there.
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I want two cameras at once.
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We'll have a camera
with Enrico inside the Loach.
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In the script,
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a helicopter unit led by a brash
air cavalry colonel named Kilgore
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leads an attack on a coastal village
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in order to escort Willard's boat
into the river that will lead him to Kurtz.
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This scene with all the extras
and special effects
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is the most logistically complicated
of Francis' career.
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Francis was always reminding me.
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He says, "Vittorio, remember,
this is not just a documentary
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"about the war in Vietnam.
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"This is a main show in the sense
that wherever America goes,
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"they make a big show on everything.
303
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"They make a big event.
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"They make a big show
about lights, music.
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"Even the idea to put Wagner on
during the battle sequence,
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"it's part of the show.
It's part of the opera.
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"It's part of the major fantasy
that American people has."
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- Tell them to cut.
- Cutting.
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- Very good.
- All cameras are cutting!
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You know, just at the last scene,
the third trip,
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when the Huey come,
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they pass too high.
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Okay. This is Coppola.
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All aircraft, all Hornets,
all picture aircraft,
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everyone land in the rice paddies.
We'll have a meeting.
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Because of the civil war in the south,
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everyday, the government
sends different pilots
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who haven't participated
in the rehearsals,
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wrecking tens of thousands
of dollars worth of shots.
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All day today, a Philippine
air force general was on the set.
321
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There were rumors that the rebels
were in the hills about 10 miles away.
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The Filipino commanders were afraid
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there could be an attack
on the helicopters we were using.
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In the middle of a complicated shot,
325
00:22:28,097 --> 00:22:31,559
the helicopters were called away
to fight the rebels.
326
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So, what?
327
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- They're taking away five.
- Five? They said two.
328
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Wait a second. Stand by.
329
00:22:38,358 --> 00:22:41,152
We just heard they're taking away
five of our helicopters.
330
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Should we do it?
331
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The Huey go away.
332
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We'll do it next week.
333
00:23:03,675 --> 00:23:06,761
There have been stories in the press
about production problems with the film.
334
00:23:06,844 --> 00:23:09,347
Has the filming been delayed?
335
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:13,935
Well, we're behind,
but we have not stopped shooting at all.
336
00:23:14,018 --> 00:23:16,688
I mean, it's just that
the film is enormous.
337
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I would say it's twice the scope
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00:23:19,941 --> 00:23:22,485
in terms of the production
of any film I've done,
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including the two Godfathers together.
340
00:23:24,529 --> 00:23:27,574
And it's such an enormous film
with so many different aspects.
341
00:23:27,657 --> 00:23:31,452
We're out here hacking inch by inch.
342
00:23:31,536 --> 00:23:34,831
We are up against, everyday,
100 problems.
343
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It's like a great war itself.
344
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- Change!
- You mean right now, sir?
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I wanna see how rideable that stuff is.
Go change.
346
00:23:47,468 --> 00:23:49,012
It's still pretty hairy out there, sir.
347
00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:51,264
- Do you wanna surf, soldier?
- Yes, sir.
348
00:23:51,347 --> 00:23:53,933
That's good, son,
'cause you either surf or fight.
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That clear? Now, get going.
350
00:23:56,477 --> 00:24:00,106
I guess these air cavalry guys
did some pretty crazy stuff.
351
00:24:00,189 --> 00:24:03,067
I heard from some
of the technical advisors
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00:24:03,151 --> 00:24:06,362
stories about the air cavalry
that were real,
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00:24:07,363 --> 00:24:10,783
that would serve my fulfilling fiction,
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00:24:10,867 --> 00:24:14,120
that they really did,
you know, like, for instance,
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00:24:14,203 --> 00:24:17,457
a guy would go into his helicopter
in North Vietnam
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and try to hook a bicycle and steal it
with the runner.
357
00:24:22,211 --> 00:24:23,171
And they would shoot at him.
358
00:24:23,254 --> 00:24:24,672
He'd hover a while
until they stopped shooting.
359
00:24:24,756 --> 00:24:26,799
Then they'd finally hook the bicycle
and stole...
360
00:24:26,883 --> 00:24:30,637
It's like games to break up
the boredom of being in that war.
361
00:24:31,429 --> 00:24:33,389
Men play strange games.
362
00:24:44,233 --> 00:24:47,111
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
363
00:24:47,195 --> 00:24:49,781
You know, one time
we had a hill bombed for 12 hours.
364
00:24:49,864 --> 00:24:52,617
And when it was all over, I walked up.
365
00:24:53,409 --> 00:24:56,746
We didn't find one of them,
not one stinking dink body.
366
00:24:58,998 --> 00:25:01,793
But the smell, you know,
that gasoline smell...
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00:25:01,876 --> 00:25:03,670
The whole hill,
368
00:25:04,671 --> 00:25:05,963
it smelled like
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00:25:09,050 --> 00:25:10,259
victory.
370
00:25:15,473 --> 00:25:17,892
Someday this war's gonna end.
371
00:25:20,561 --> 00:25:22,814
It was a combination of
not just Heart of Darkness,
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but, like, the Odyssey.
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Kilgore was like the Cyclops.
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He was something that had to
be overcome, had to be tricked.
375
00:25:30,154 --> 00:25:33,574
And then the Playboy bunnies
were like the Sirens.
376
00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:41,124
This sure enough is a bizarre sight
in the middle of this shit.
377
00:25:45,044 --> 00:25:47,964
The war was taking on
an interesting character,
378
00:25:48,047 --> 00:25:51,217
and it was becoming a psychedelic war,
you know.
379
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:56,222
The culture was influencing,
sort of seeping into Southeast Asia.
380
00:25:56,305 --> 00:26:00,560
The strange US culture
that was going on
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00:26:02,228 --> 00:26:05,731
where you really get a tone
that it is a rock 'n' roll war,
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00:26:05,815 --> 00:26:10,820
that things have gone a little further
than anyone realized.
383
00:26:13,281 --> 00:26:14,574
At the point
when we were developing this,
384
00:26:14,657 --> 00:26:16,784
nobody knew that
there were drugs over there.
385
00:26:16,868 --> 00:26:19,871
Nobody knew all the craziness
that was going on.
386
00:26:19,954 --> 00:26:21,747
A lot was being kept back.
387
00:26:21,831 --> 00:26:23,249
So it was a chance
to really make a movie
388
00:26:23,332 --> 00:26:25,960
that would reveal a lot of things.
389
00:26:27,336 --> 00:26:30,506
What we'd done is strung together
all of John's anecdotes
390
00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:32,425
and some of the things
that he had from his friends
391
00:26:32,508 --> 00:26:34,552
who had been fighting over there.
392
00:26:34,635 --> 00:26:37,930
And it was really a quest
or a trek or something
393
00:26:38,014 --> 00:26:42,310
that would take us through
the various aspects of the Vietnam War,
394
00:26:42,393 --> 00:26:45,646
and we would see it
for the insanity that it was.
395
00:26:46,272 --> 00:26:50,777
At that point, we had it ending
in a very large battle with the Viet Cong
396
00:26:51,486 --> 00:26:55,406
and having Willard
and the Kurtz character
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00:26:56,157 --> 00:26:58,117
fighting off all the Viet Cong.
398
00:26:58,201 --> 00:27:00,870
And then when they bring in the
helicopters to bring his men out,
399
00:27:00,953 --> 00:27:02,455
he says,
"No, I fought too hard for this land,"
400
00:27:02,538 --> 00:27:04,373
and he shoots down the helicopter.
401
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,090
"I summon fire from the sky.
402
00:27:13,466 --> 00:27:15,301
"Do you know what it is
to be a white man
403
00:27:15,384 --> 00:27:18,971
"who can summon fire from the sky?
What it means?
404
00:27:19,055 --> 00:27:21,390
"You can live and die for these things.
405
00:27:21,474 --> 00:27:24,143
"Not silly ideals
that are always betrayed...
406
00:27:24,227 --> 00:27:26,646
"What do you fight for, Captain?"
407
00:27:28,397 --> 00:27:31,108
Then he answers,
"Because it feels good."
408
00:27:33,945 --> 00:27:38,199
I never cared for the ending so much.
I always thought the ending was weak.
409
00:27:38,282 --> 00:27:41,160
The ending didn't top
what had happened with the helicopters,
410
00:27:41,244 --> 00:27:45,331
and it didn't answer
any of the kind of moral issues
411
00:27:45,414 --> 00:27:50,127
that got into a real gung-ho,
macho kind of a comic book ending.
412
00:27:51,337 --> 00:27:55,800
And my choice was to make it
much more back to Heart of Darkness
413
00:27:55,883 --> 00:27:58,719
than really John and George
were intending.
414
00:27:58,803 --> 00:28:02,807
I'd like to save the in-depth stuff
for the second reading.
415
00:28:03,766 --> 00:28:07,603
And I think very early on,
I knew that even when I arrived there,
416
00:28:07,687 --> 00:28:11,357
I was gonna take John's script
and mate it with Heart of Darkness
417
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,442
and whatever happened
to me in the jungle.
418
00:28:13,526 --> 00:28:16,404
I mean, I knew that was, like,
my concept.
419
00:28:17,947 --> 00:28:21,117
This afternoon Francis got a call
from his attorney.
420
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,954
Apparently, Brando is refusing to
give Francis the extra time he needs
421
00:28:25,037 --> 00:28:27,498
to rewrite the ending of the movie.
422
00:28:27,582 --> 00:28:29,542
Brando is threatening
to drop out of the project
423
00:28:29,625 --> 00:28:32,253
and keep his million-dollar advance.
424
00:28:32,336 --> 00:28:36,549
Yeah, but are they seriously saying
that Marlon would take a million dollars
425
00:28:37,133 --> 00:28:38,759
and then not show up?
426
00:28:41,178 --> 00:28:43,014
And imagine, here I am
427
00:28:43,097 --> 00:28:46,309
with about 50 things that
are just quasi in my control,
428
00:28:46,392 --> 00:28:48,853
like the Philippine government
and fucking helicopters
429
00:28:48,936 --> 00:28:50,688
which they take away
whenever they feel like,
430
00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:52,565
and they've done it three times already.
431
00:28:52,648 --> 00:28:56,736
I mean, all I'm asking is for Marlon
to allow me to start him a little later.
432
00:28:56,819 --> 00:28:59,322
And I know it's all my fault.
But I'm saying is that
433
00:28:59,405 --> 00:29:02,074
do I also have to shoot
the last 30 minutes of the movie
434
00:29:02,158 --> 00:29:03,200
in the beginning?
435
00:29:03,284 --> 00:29:05,453
Tell them to keep acting, Randy.
436
00:29:05,536 --> 00:29:09,832
I assumed that there would be
some malleability about Marlon,
437
00:29:09,916 --> 00:29:16,172
and I also didn't realize the immensity
of the constructions and stuff.
438
00:29:16,464 --> 00:29:19,592
I mean, the picture's
bigger than I thought. It's just gigantic.
439
00:29:19,675 --> 00:29:23,304
I personally, as an artist,
would love the opportunity
440
00:29:23,387 --> 00:29:25,681
to just finish the picture up until the end,
441
00:29:25,765 --> 00:29:28,643
take four weeks off,
work with Marlon, rewrite it,
442
00:29:28,726 --> 00:29:30,394
and then in just three weeks,
do the ending.
443
00:29:30,478 --> 00:29:32,772
I think I could make
the best film that way.
444
00:29:32,855 --> 00:29:35,608
It seems like such a,
kind of, bright thing to do.
445
00:29:35,691 --> 00:29:38,694
And I feel that the people back there
446
00:29:38,778 --> 00:29:42,156
feel that postponement is like,
"The picture's in trouble or something."
447
00:29:42,239 --> 00:29:44,241
It's just that very intelligent,
major studios
448
00:29:44,325 --> 00:29:47,954
used to do things like this all the time.
No, I know that.
449
00:29:48,037 --> 00:29:51,499
And that's what sort of bugs me
is the ludicrousness of thinking
450
00:29:51,582 --> 00:29:53,793
that I'm gonna go through
all that I'm doing,
451
00:29:53,876 --> 00:29:57,505
after all I've been through in the past,
after all the pictures I've made
452
00:29:57,588 --> 00:30:01,008
and after shooting 16 weeks,
that I'm not gonna finish a movie
453
00:30:01,092 --> 00:30:04,136
in which I've invested
three years of my life just because...
454
00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:06,263
I mean, it's stupid, man.
455
00:30:07,056 --> 00:30:09,975
Yeah, but even if Brando drops dead,
I can still finish the movie.
456
00:30:10,059 --> 00:30:11,143
I'll just get another actor.
457
00:30:11,227 --> 00:30:13,437
If I can't get Redford,
I'll go back to Nicholson.
458
00:30:13,521 --> 00:30:15,189
If I can't get Nicholson,
I'll go back to Pacino.
459
00:30:15,272 --> 00:30:17,775
If I can't go to Pacino,
I'll go back to someone else.
460
00:30:17,858 --> 00:30:21,779
I mean, sooner or later,
I can get someone for three weeks.
461
00:30:21,862 --> 00:30:26,242
I mean, it's not in the cards
that we're not going to finish the movie.
462
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,931
This is the first day of heavy rain.
A typhoon is off the coast.
463
00:30:49,014 --> 00:30:51,308
I've never seen it rain so hard.
464
00:30:51,392 --> 00:30:53,644
Water has started coming
in the rooms downstairs,
465
00:30:53,728 --> 00:30:56,439
and Sofia is splashing around in it.
466
00:30:56,522 --> 00:30:58,441
Francis has decided to make pasta,
467
00:30:58,524 --> 00:31:01,277
and he's turned on
La BohГЁme full volume.
468
00:31:02,445 --> 00:31:06,949
I knew that if weather came,
that I was gonna try to incorporate it.
469
00:31:07,324 --> 00:31:10,036
I didn't realize that
it was on such a big scale.
470
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:13,456
So I was only thinking
that I got to shoot tomorrow.
471
00:31:50,409 --> 00:31:54,246
Even after that typhoon hit,
he began to film.
472
00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:58,417
He said, "This has happened,
and monsoons hit Vietnam.
473
00:31:59,085 --> 00:32:02,838
"There's a lot of mud,
a lot of rain around. Let's film."
474
00:32:04,381 --> 00:32:06,300
Hey, don't leave without me.
475
00:32:07,510 --> 00:32:11,514
We went to Iba
to shoot the scene that got cut.
476
00:32:13,015 --> 00:32:16,143
The set was, like, 80% demolished.
477
00:32:16,227 --> 00:32:18,854
It was, like, mud up to the knees.
478
00:32:18,938 --> 00:32:20,356
It was like pissing, man.
479
00:32:20,689 --> 00:32:22,983
I mean, it was hitting you so hard,
it hurt.
480
00:32:28,781 --> 00:32:32,118
It started out just as raining a lot,
and after a while, we realized
481
00:32:32,201 --> 00:32:35,287
it was knocking out
centers of civilizations,
482
00:32:35,371 --> 00:32:39,250
and rivers were overrunning,
and people couldn't get to the places...
483
00:32:39,333 --> 00:32:42,169
They were all on the roofs
of hotels and stuff.
484
00:32:42,253 --> 00:32:44,547
We had to stop for a while.
485
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:46,382
And I realized that certain sets
had been destroyed.
486
00:33:10,239 --> 00:33:11,782
In order to rebuild the sets,
487
00:33:11,866 --> 00:33:14,743
Francis has closed down
the production for two months.
488
00:33:14,827 --> 00:33:17,413
The cast and crew
have been sent home.
489
00:33:17,872 --> 00:33:20,457
It was an opportunity
for everyone, really,
490
00:33:20,916 --> 00:33:23,627
to have a little relief from the situation,
491
00:33:24,086 --> 00:33:26,672
because it became apparent
that it was gonna go on longer
492
00:33:26,755 --> 00:33:29,091
than we realized in the beginning.
493
00:33:33,304 --> 00:33:35,890
Last night, we slept outside on the lawn.
494
00:33:35,973 --> 00:33:39,101
It was beautiful, so clear, with stars.
495
00:33:39,184 --> 00:33:42,021
Francis tossed and turned,
having nightmares.
496
00:33:42,104 --> 00:33:45,691
This morning he said he'd had a dream
about how to finish the script.
497
00:33:45,774 --> 00:33:48,861
But now that he was awake,
it wasn't any good.
498
00:33:48,944 --> 00:33:51,363
He said he couldn't go on
making the John Milius script
499
00:33:51,447 --> 00:33:53,699
because it didn't really express
his ideas,
500
00:33:53,782 --> 00:33:58,203
and he still doesn't know how to make
the film into his personal vision.
501
00:33:58,287 --> 00:34:00,623
He's been struggling with this
for so long.
502
00:34:00,706 --> 00:34:03,125
He knows the material
backwards and forwards.
503
00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:05,753
He is practically chasing his tail.
504
00:34:06,086 --> 00:34:09,548
First of all, I call this whole movie
the Idiodyssey.
505
00:34:10,799 --> 00:34:14,178
- The Idiodyssey?
- This is the Idiodyssey.
506
00:34:14,261 --> 00:34:17,056
None of my tools, none of my tricks,
507
00:34:17,139 --> 00:34:21,936
none of my ways of doing things
works for this ending.
508
00:34:22,811 --> 00:34:26,273
I have tried so many times
that I know I can't do it.
509
00:34:27,191 --> 00:34:29,318
It might be a big victory
to know that I can't do it.
510
00:34:29,401 --> 00:34:32,154
I can't write the ending to this movie.
511
00:34:32,488 --> 00:34:35,824
I was on the spot.
I had gotten myself into something big.
512
00:34:35,908 --> 00:34:39,828
Some people had come through,
a lot of people hadn't.
513
00:34:40,287 --> 00:34:42,790
And it was my job
and also my financial burden
514
00:34:42,873 --> 00:34:44,833
to pick up the pieces
and finish the movie.
515
00:34:45,042 --> 00:34:48,837
I didn't quite understand
all the ramifications of the financing.
516
00:34:48,921 --> 00:34:51,924
I felt that he'd do whatever he had to,
we'd borrow the money.
517
00:34:52,007 --> 00:34:53,592
But I really support him as an artist,
518
00:34:53,676 --> 00:34:57,513
and I feel like whatever
the artist needs to do
519
00:34:57,596 --> 00:35:00,224
in order to get his artwork is okay.
520
00:35:00,307 --> 00:35:02,768
And I always felt confident.
So what's the worst that can happen?
521
00:35:02,851 --> 00:35:06,105
They take away your big house,
they take away your car, so what?
522
00:35:06,188 --> 00:35:09,400
He was a very creative person
and could make another film
523
00:35:09,483 --> 00:35:15,030
and could do another job
and earn his living and provide for us.
524
00:35:15,114 --> 00:35:18,617
So I really wasn't frightened by it.
525
00:35:18,701 --> 00:35:22,621
In fact, at that point in time,
we had escalated our lifestyle.
526
00:35:22,705 --> 00:35:25,874
We had this big
22-room Victorian house,
527
00:35:25,958 --> 00:35:27,793
you know, a staff and a screening room.
528
00:35:27,876 --> 00:35:30,879
Life was kind of complicated for me.
And entertaining...
529
00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:33,757
And I would have loved
to have had my lifestyle
530
00:35:33,841 --> 00:35:36,051
reduced to some smaller scale.
531
00:35:36,135 --> 00:35:38,178
So that part of me
was just fearless in that regard.
532
00:35:38,262 --> 00:35:44,351
It really didn't matter if it all went
down the tubes in financing this project.
533
00:35:44,435 --> 00:35:45,477
It was really okay.
534
00:35:51,442 --> 00:35:54,194
A melodrama is currently
playing itself out in Hollywood
535
00:35:54,278 --> 00:35:57,990
that for sheer emotionalism
rivals anything put on film.
536
00:35:58,574 --> 00:36:01,952
The embattled figure in this drama
is director Francis Coppola,
537
00:36:02,036 --> 00:36:04,330
who once again finds himself
waging a war
538
00:36:04,413 --> 00:36:06,832
to keep his dream financially afloat.
539
00:36:07,082 --> 00:36:10,044
Now, if you read newspapers at all
or listen to the radio, you know
540
00:36:10,127 --> 00:36:13,338
that Mr. Coppola has been involved
in the production of this motion picture
541
00:36:13,797 --> 00:36:15,716
for more years than
even he would care to count.
542
00:36:20,929 --> 00:36:22,598
The press painted a portrait of me
543
00:36:22,681 --> 00:36:26,185
as sort of a crazy person
and financially irresponsible,
544
00:36:26,268 --> 00:36:29,188
which I don't particularly think
is really true.
545
00:36:29,271 --> 00:36:31,023
No doubt that it was my money.
546
00:36:31,106 --> 00:36:34,276
But the difference was that
Apocalypse Now was about Vietnam.
547
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,447
That was what made it sound
like such a crazy financial bet.
548
00:36:38,989 --> 00:36:41,033
Did you ever consider quitting?
549
00:36:41,116 --> 00:36:45,412
How am I going to quit from myself?
Am I going to say, "Francis, I quit"?
550
00:36:45,954 --> 00:36:49,375
You know, I was financing the movie.
How could I quit?
551
00:36:52,669 --> 00:36:54,797
July 25th, 1976.
552
00:36:55,631 --> 00:36:58,801
We've returned to the Philippines
to resume production.
553
00:36:58,884 --> 00:37:02,513
Francis hopes to finish shooting
in the early fall.
554
00:37:09,937 --> 00:37:13,690
There is a kind of powerful exhilaration
in the face of losing everything,
555
00:37:13,774 --> 00:37:15,025
like the excitement of war
556
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:18,445
when one kills
or takes the chance of being killed.
557
00:37:18,529 --> 00:37:20,739
Francis has taken
the biggest risk of his life
558
00:37:20,823 --> 00:37:23,242
in the way he's making this film.
559
00:37:23,325 --> 00:37:25,744
This film is now $3 million over budget,
560
00:37:25,828 --> 00:37:29,123
which the distributor, United Artists,
has agreed to put up.
561
00:37:29,206 --> 00:37:33,752
But Francis has to pay it back if the film
doesn't make $40 million or more.
562
00:37:33,836 --> 00:37:36,922
That just gets me all the more focused
on the present moment
563
00:37:37,005 --> 00:37:41,093
and not allow myself to think
about the "what-ifs" of the future.
564
00:37:42,636 --> 00:37:44,471
I know that every building that's built
565
00:37:44,555 --> 00:37:48,142
runs into big production overages,
every bridge that's built.
566
00:37:48,225 --> 00:37:49,268
Every NASA project,
567
00:37:49,351 --> 00:37:54,731
any large project that involves
lots of people, conditions, weather,
568
00:37:55,149 --> 00:37:56,233
of a construction nature,
569
00:37:56,316 --> 00:37:58,068
goes over all the time.
570
00:37:58,152 --> 00:38:00,362
And a movie is no exception.
571
00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:03,240
It's true that
since it was my own money,
572
00:38:03,323 --> 00:38:05,951
and once I felt that
I was going in a direction,
573
00:38:06,034 --> 00:38:09,288
I wanted to continue
going in that direction.
574
00:38:09,371 --> 00:38:12,040
Since it was my money,
I just did it, really.
575
00:38:12,332 --> 00:38:14,626
There was a sequence in the film,
576
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:17,004
so-called the French plantation
sequence,
577
00:38:17,087 --> 00:38:19,131
and it involved
578
00:38:19,214 --> 00:38:21,800
the PBR coming ashore
579
00:38:21,884 --> 00:38:27,848
to this rubber plantation still run
by these French-speaking people,
580
00:38:27,931 --> 00:38:29,850
and they had a whole bunch of cadre,
581
00:38:29,933 --> 00:38:32,811
and they'd been fighting the Viet Minh
before the Viet Cong,
582
00:38:32,895 --> 00:38:35,063
and they weren't letting go.
583
00:38:36,148 --> 00:38:37,983
Hey, this is
French plantation discussion.
584
00:38:38,066 --> 00:38:39,026
French plantation...
585
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:44,198
The whole scene is gonna be made
of wisps of fog close to the ground,
586
00:38:44,281 --> 00:38:47,367
and a place that's like a dream.
587
00:38:47,784 --> 00:38:49,828
If you need more fog machines...
588
00:38:49,912 --> 00:38:53,415
Have more than enough machines.
How much do they cost?
589
00:38:53,499 --> 00:38:55,500
- Can I buy the ones I already bought?
- Sure.
590
00:38:55,584 --> 00:38:57,586
Okay, I'll give them to you as a gift
after the show,
591
00:38:57,669 --> 00:38:58,670
but have enough of them.
592
00:38:58,754 --> 00:39:00,297
Now, I want some real machine guns.
593
00:39:00,380 --> 00:39:03,508
Get the PC to go over
and strafe the side of that house
594
00:39:03,592 --> 00:39:06,511
as though Fidel Castro
had his last stand there.
595
00:39:06,595 --> 00:39:10,933
I'd like three or four French people,
and I'll spend money for it.
596
00:39:11,016 --> 00:39:12,684
But I don't want to fly them from France.
597
00:39:12,768 --> 00:39:16,813
If you can't get them from Hong Kong,
Singapore, Japan, Okinawa,
598
00:39:16,897 --> 00:39:18,857
then I will fly them from France.
599
00:39:18,941 --> 00:39:20,901
White wine should be served ice cold.
600
00:39:20,984 --> 00:39:24,321
Red wine should be served
at about 58 degrees.
601
00:39:24,404 --> 00:39:27,950
Should be opened approximately
an hour to an hour-and-a-half
602
00:39:28,033 --> 00:39:30,285
to even two hours before served.
603
00:39:30,369 --> 00:39:33,872
I want a French ceremony
that is right out of a fucking...
604
00:39:33,956 --> 00:39:37,709
I want the French to say,
"My God, how did they do that?"
605
00:39:38,961 --> 00:39:41,046
Well, my idea was,
as they progressed up the river,
606
00:39:41,129 --> 00:39:44,132
they were, like,
going back more and more in time
607
00:39:44,216 --> 00:39:46,343
in a funny kind of way,
608
00:39:46,426 --> 00:39:49,388
that we were revisiting
the history of Vietnam in reverse.
609
00:39:49,471 --> 00:39:52,099
And the first stop was
in the '50s almost.
610
00:39:52,182 --> 00:39:54,017
We now are with the French.
611
00:39:54,101 --> 00:39:57,604
That was what I was looking for
in the French plantation
612
00:39:57,688 --> 00:40:00,774
that was a kind of ghostly afterview
of something,
613
00:40:00,857 --> 00:40:03,360
almost like they talk about the light
from the stars.
614
00:40:03,443 --> 00:40:06,405
We see it after the star's already dead,
615
00:40:06,488 --> 00:40:08,282
you know, and it was that kind of mood.
616
00:40:10,784 --> 00:40:14,037
It was like having dinner
with a family of ghosts.
617
00:40:14,663 --> 00:40:19,042
There were still a few hundred of them
left on plantations all over Vietnam,
618
00:40:19,126 --> 00:40:22,838
trying to keep themselves convinced
that it was still 1950.
619
00:40:23,505 --> 00:40:27,217
They weren't French anymore,
and they'd never be Vietnamese.
620
00:40:28,051 --> 00:40:31,430
They were floating loose in history,
without a country.
621
00:40:31,513 --> 00:40:35,225
They were hanging on
by their fingernails, but so were we.
622
00:40:35,892 --> 00:40:38,478
We just had more fingernails in it.
623
00:40:39,521 --> 00:40:43,025
How long can you possibly stay here?
624
00:40:45,444 --> 00:40:47,362
- Stay?
- No, no. I mean,
625
00:40:49,156 --> 00:40:51,825
when will you go back home to France?
626
00:40:52,284 --> 00:40:53,619
Back home?
627
00:40:54,036 --> 00:40:56,496
I mean, this is our home, Captain.
628
00:40:56,580 --> 00:40:59,708
- Sooner or later, you're gonna...
- No, Captain!
629
00:41:00,876 --> 00:41:04,338
I mean, you don't know anything
about the French mentality.
630
00:41:04,421 --> 00:41:07,674
It was just the idea
of the French still being there.
631
00:41:07,758 --> 00:41:10,927
There was some speech
that he gives at the end, that he said,
632
00:41:11,011 --> 00:41:14,681
"If they drive us from the house,
we will live in a ditch,
633
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:19,603
"and if they push us out of the ditch,
we'll live in the jungle.
634
00:41:21,063 --> 00:41:24,983
"All the time we will clean
the blood from our bayonets."
635
00:41:25,067 --> 00:41:26,485
I like that.
636
00:41:27,069 --> 00:41:30,655
So when you ask me
why we want to stay here, Captain,
637
00:41:32,407 --> 00:41:34,701
we want to stay here because it's ours.
638
00:41:34,785 --> 00:41:36,828
It belongs to us.
639
00:41:36,912 --> 00:41:39,247
It keeps our family together.
640
00:41:41,249 --> 00:41:43,293
I mean, we fight for that.
641
00:41:44,378 --> 00:41:46,213
While you Americans,
642
00:41:47,130 --> 00:41:52,010
you are fighting
for the biggest nothing in history.
643
00:41:53,595 --> 00:41:55,764
Our budgets were cut way down
644
00:41:55,847 --> 00:41:58,350
and we didn't get the cast
that we wanted.
645
00:41:58,433 --> 00:42:00,560
But of course, the art department
and the other departments
646
00:42:00,644 --> 00:42:03,313
didn't cut theirs down,
so I was very incensed
647
00:42:03,397 --> 00:42:06,608
that I had this extraordinary set,
that costly set.
648
00:42:06,692 --> 00:42:10,612
Extraordinary decorations and stuff.
649
00:42:10,695 --> 00:42:13,698
I was just angry
at the French sequence.
650
00:42:13,782 --> 00:42:16,034
I cut it out, out of that.
651
00:42:16,118 --> 00:42:18,954
I was very unhappy on every count.
652
00:42:19,037 --> 00:42:20,580
The light, the whole thing.
653
00:42:20,664 --> 00:42:23,709
So everyone forget that we even shot it.
654
00:42:23,792 --> 00:42:25,961
No longer does it exist.
655
00:42:40,142 --> 00:42:44,855
What I'm worried about is that I'm
getting into a self-indulgent pattern.
656
00:42:44,938 --> 00:42:48,024
But don't you, on the one hand,
feel like that's
657
00:42:48,108 --> 00:42:50,986
where your gifts as an artist
are working?
658
00:42:51,069 --> 00:42:53,238
They're on that brink
of not knowing what to do.
659
00:42:53,321 --> 00:42:55,282
What if you just scream out
to the heavens,
660
00:42:55,365 --> 00:42:57,075
"I don't know what the fuck I'm doing!"
661
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:58,493
I've done that.
662
00:42:58,577 --> 00:43:01,329
That's another form of self-indulgence.
663
00:43:02,497 --> 00:43:05,417
I'm sure I've missed
a whole bunch of opportunities,
664
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:07,210
and I'm gonna miss others.
665
00:43:07,294 --> 00:43:09,087
But I've caught a lot of them, too.
666
00:43:09,171 --> 00:43:13,300
In the end, it's how many I catch,
not how many I lose.
667
00:43:19,723 --> 00:43:22,225
Francis is in a place within himself,
668
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:24,561
a place he never intended to reach,
669
00:43:24,644 --> 00:43:26,104
a place of conflict.
670
00:43:26,188 --> 00:43:30,525
And he can't go back down the river
because the journey has changed him.
671
00:43:30,609 --> 00:43:33,487
I was watching
from the point of view of the observer,
672
00:43:33,570 --> 00:43:36,782
not realizing I was on the journey, too.
673
00:43:36,865 --> 00:43:39,242
Now, I can't go back to the way it was.
674
00:43:39,326 --> 00:43:42,204
Neither can Francis.
Neither can Willard.
675
00:43:47,542 --> 00:43:50,629
It was like traveling back to
the earliest beginnings of the world
676
00:43:50,712 --> 00:43:54,424
when vegetation rioted on the Earth
and the big trees were kings.
677
00:43:54,508 --> 00:43:57,135
Trees, millions of trees,
678
00:43:57,219 --> 00:44:00,806
massive, immense, running up high.
679
00:44:00,889 --> 00:44:03,642
And at their foot,
hugging the bank against the stream,
680
00:44:03,725 --> 00:44:07,813
crept the little begrimed steamboat,
like a sluggish beetle
681
00:44:07,896 --> 00:44:11,358
crawling on the floor of a lofty portico.
682
00:44:11,441 --> 00:44:14,986
Where the company men
imagined it crawled to, I don't know.
683
00:44:15,070 --> 00:44:16,279
For me,
684
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:19,032
it crawled toward Kurtz.
685
00:44:36,383 --> 00:44:39,094
Francis works in a very intuitive way.
686
00:44:39,636 --> 00:44:44,516
So he likes to take advantage of things
as he moves along through a picture.
687
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,102
And Francis just likes it to flow.
688
00:44:47,185 --> 00:44:49,187
And whenever you do that,
689
00:44:49,271 --> 00:44:52,857
you end up with a problem
of having a film
690
00:44:52,941 --> 00:44:55,277
at times that is way too long
691
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,197
and a film that doesn't have
a really strong narrative line in it
692
00:44:59,281 --> 00:45:03,034
that you can keep
the audience hooked in.
693
00:45:03,118 --> 00:45:05,412
And when you get
into this anger, Albert,
694
00:45:05,495 --> 00:45:08,582
don't decide where you're gonna get to.
695
00:45:08,665 --> 00:45:12,127
Wherever you get to,
as long as it's out of you, is okay.
696
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:14,170
Francis used to write
on these little cards.
697
00:45:14,254 --> 00:45:17,173
I managed to hold on to some of these.
698
00:45:19,217 --> 00:45:22,387
- You want to read one of them?
- Well, let me get the pages right.
699
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:25,515
And see, we put them
on little cards like this.
700
00:45:27,183 --> 00:45:31,021
Now we have
the main boat approaching.
701
00:45:31,104 --> 00:45:33,398
Now we have the birds.
We don't have the birds great,
702
00:45:33,481 --> 00:45:35,650
but we'll never get it great. The birds...
703
00:45:35,734 --> 00:45:39,029
And then I propose
that we do four close-ups.
704
00:45:39,112 --> 00:45:42,532
Sam, Chief, Martin, everyone,
looking at the birds,
705
00:45:42,616 --> 00:45:45,243
so I can use the sound of the birds
or maybe three birds going through,
706
00:45:45,327 --> 00:45:47,662
and I can create the illusion
of there being birds.
707
00:45:47,746 --> 00:45:51,666
"Birds. Lance.
POVs of blackbirds. Boat."
708
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:54,586
It was like this. This was his shot list.
709
00:45:55,045 --> 00:45:57,255
Sometimes we'd get pages
that would say...
710
00:45:57,339 --> 00:46:01,593
It'd say "scenes unknown"
on the call sheet.
711
00:46:02,052 --> 00:46:04,095
You just would show up, you know.
712
00:46:04,179 --> 00:46:05,388
They didn't know
what they were going to do.
713
00:46:05,472 --> 00:46:07,974
We didn't just go out there and,
"Oh, what can we do today?"
714
00:46:08,058 --> 00:46:10,894
There was a real plan for each day.
715
00:46:10,977 --> 00:46:13,563
But since Francis is a writer
716
00:46:13,647 --> 00:46:16,107
and was a co-writer of the script,
717
00:46:16,191 --> 00:46:19,527
he could create things at the moment,
718
00:46:19,611 --> 00:46:22,197
and if a new idea came up,
719
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,824
he would sit there up all night
and write it.
720
00:46:24,908 --> 00:46:28,370
Then you're gonna get into this
weird speech of, "Fire, fire.
721
00:46:28,453 --> 00:46:29,913
"You demons. You sons of bitches.
722
00:46:29,996 --> 00:46:31,998
"Get away from us.
Get away from this boat.
723
00:46:32,082 --> 00:46:34,918
"Back, you walking dead,
you zombies, you sons of bitches.
724
00:46:35,001 --> 00:46:36,419
"Captain, you made this.
725
00:46:36,503 --> 00:46:38,755
"This is your hell, your nightmare."
726
00:46:38,838 --> 00:46:42,050
I felt that he just thought
a lot of his actors,
727
00:46:42,258 --> 00:46:47,222
we were gems
who were to bring his ideas to life.
728
00:46:47,597 --> 00:46:50,850
And he also took
a lot of our creative input.
729
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:55,814
Why don't we go,
"You want to kill us all. You're insane.
730
00:46:55,897 --> 00:46:58,566
"You've gone insane.
You're more of a savage.
731
00:46:58,650 --> 00:47:00,485
"You're insane,
savage like those people."
732
00:47:00,568 --> 00:47:01,820
- Or something like that?
- Okay.
733
00:47:01,903 --> 00:47:03,822
You try it, though. "This is your hell."
734
00:47:03,905 --> 00:47:07,492
"This dream is your hell.
This is your nightmare.
735
00:47:07,575 --> 00:47:11,246
"You made it, you liquor-guzzling,
dipsomaniac son of a bitch.
736
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:12,580
"You bastard!"
737
00:47:13,164 --> 00:47:16,751
Somehow get the idea that you...
You're going mad.
738
00:47:16,835 --> 00:47:20,130
You've gone mad.
739
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:24,676
Once he set that feel for us,
we just started improvising
740
00:47:24,759 --> 00:47:26,678
everything that was happening
on the boat.
741
00:47:26,761 --> 00:47:29,597
Sampan off the port bow.
Let's take a look.
742
00:47:30,557 --> 00:47:34,561
Lance. Bring them in.
Clean, on the .60. Chef, get a .16.
743
00:47:35,437 --> 00:47:40,859
Francis had us write up lists of things
that we wanted our characters to do.
744
00:47:42,569 --> 00:47:43,570
I remember we all decided
745
00:47:43,653 --> 00:47:46,114
that we wanted to do
sort of a My Lai Massacre.
746
00:47:46,197 --> 00:47:47,574
We thought an interrogation of a boat
747
00:47:47,657 --> 00:47:51,119
that ended in a firefight
and the loss of many lives.
748
00:47:51,828 --> 00:47:53,830
We wanted to experience
something like that.
749
00:47:54,122 --> 00:47:55,874
- There ain't nothing in here.
- What's in the boxes?
750
00:47:55,957 --> 00:47:57,167
Not a fucking thing.
751
00:47:57,250 --> 00:47:58,376
- Look in that tin can.
- Nothing.
752
00:47:58,460 --> 00:48:00,962
- That rusty can.
- Just fucking rice, that's all!
753
00:48:01,046 --> 00:48:02,255
- There ain't nothing on it!
- Check the yellow can.
754
00:48:02,338 --> 00:48:05,675
Check the yellow can.
She was sitting on it. What's in it?
755
00:48:08,970 --> 00:48:10,221
Chef!
756
00:48:15,018 --> 00:48:17,604
Motherfuckers!
757
00:48:20,190 --> 00:48:22,859
- Hold it!
- Come on, let's kill them all.
758
00:48:22,942 --> 00:48:25,487
- Fucking cocksucking mothers!
- Hold it! Hold it!
759
00:48:25,570 --> 00:48:27,989
Let's kill all the assholes!
Shoot the shit out of all of them.
760
00:48:28,072 --> 00:48:31,493
- Chef, hold it!
- Why not? Jesus Christ.
761
00:48:32,327 --> 00:48:34,621
Why the fuck not?
762
00:48:36,081 --> 00:48:37,749
- Clean?
- I'm good.
763
00:48:42,462 --> 00:48:44,672
See what she was running for?
764
00:48:47,884 --> 00:48:49,677
It's a fucking puppy!
765
00:48:50,011 --> 00:48:54,474
I think what it was that was me
that was Clean was just that I was a kid.
766
00:48:54,766 --> 00:48:57,352
And that's, I think,
what my role is about.
767
00:48:57,435 --> 00:49:00,855
I mean, it's about the kids
that were over there
768
00:49:02,774 --> 00:49:05,485
who didn't know anything
about anything.
769
00:49:06,861 --> 00:49:10,448
They were just kind of snatched up
and used as cannon fodder for this war.
770
00:49:42,397 --> 00:49:44,482
Everyone who has come out here
to the Philippines
771
00:49:44,566 --> 00:49:48,111
seems to be going through something
that is affecting them profoundly,
772
00:49:48,194 --> 00:49:52,073
changing their perspective
about the world or themselves,
773
00:49:52,156 --> 00:49:55,827
while the same thing is happening
to Willard in the course of the film.
774
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:59,205
Something is definitely
happening to me and to Francis.
775
00:50:50,465 --> 00:50:51,841
Filmmaking, at least for me,
776
00:50:51,925 --> 00:50:55,553
wasn't really just a matter
of writing this little script
777
00:50:55,637 --> 00:50:59,057
and then going and doing it
as you thought that your own life
778
00:50:59,140 --> 00:51:01,059
and your own experience
during the making of it
779
00:51:01,142 --> 00:51:03,478
was also a very strong element,
780
00:51:04,062 --> 00:51:06,648
and that somehow the director works
781
00:51:06,731 --> 00:51:10,652
with more than just having the script
782
00:51:10,735 --> 00:51:13,071
and having the team
of people and actors.
783
00:51:13,154 --> 00:51:17,867
Also, the conditions and the mood
of the company and of each individual
784
00:51:17,951 --> 00:51:19,911
and what personally
people are going through
785
00:51:19,994 --> 00:51:24,499
is also one of
the primary elements of the film.
786
00:51:24,582 --> 00:51:28,461
I mean, what's the matter with you?
You're acting kind of weird.
787
00:51:28,544 --> 00:51:31,297
Hey, you know that last tab of acid
I was saving?
788
00:51:31,381 --> 00:51:33,758
- Yeah.
- I dropped it.
789
00:51:33,841 --> 00:51:36,970
You dropped acid? Far out.
790
00:51:37,053 --> 00:51:40,640
Most of my character was done
under the influence of pot.
791
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:43,351
We smoked a lot of that.
792
00:51:45,687 --> 00:51:49,607
You know, the film crew
just became our guests upriver with us.
793
00:51:50,692 --> 00:51:52,944
- Did you drop any acid?
- Sure.
794
00:51:53,903 --> 00:51:56,864
- Did you drop any acid during filming?
- Sure.
795
00:51:57,490 --> 00:51:59,200
At Do Luong bridge?
796
00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:06,207
No, I did something else
at Do Luong bridge. I...
797
00:52:07,542 --> 00:52:10,878
I didn't take any acid there.
I did something else.
798
00:52:11,713 --> 00:52:14,632
- What did you do?
- I was doing speed then.
799
00:52:14,716 --> 00:52:19,887
We were working lots of nights,
and I wanted a speedy sort of edge. I...
800
00:52:22,724 --> 00:52:24,934
And marijuana and alcohol...
801
00:52:25,018 --> 00:52:27,437
I mean, we were bad.
We were just bad boys.
802
00:52:27,687 --> 00:52:30,898
Sort of crazy, you know. Slightly mad.
803
00:52:31,691 --> 00:52:32,942
The whole thing was mad, you know.
804
00:52:33,026 --> 00:52:35,403
We felt after a while
we really weren't there.
805
00:52:35,486 --> 00:52:37,405
It was like
we were in a dream or something.
806
00:52:38,072 --> 00:52:39,324
We'd say to Francis,
807
00:52:39,407 --> 00:52:43,369
"I'm not here, Francis.
I'm in Montana with Jack Nicholson."
808
00:52:43,453 --> 00:52:45,329
So they'd say,
"Where are you today, Freddy?"
809
00:52:45,413 --> 00:52:47,790
I'd be in Waco,
I could be in Des Moines...
810
00:52:47,874 --> 00:52:49,584
Wherever I wanted to be.
811
00:52:49,667 --> 00:52:53,379
And you would just go through your day.
You weren't in that place.
812
00:52:53,463 --> 00:52:55,048
...study at the Escoffier School.
813
00:52:55,131 --> 00:52:56,424
That was really crazy, man,
814
00:52:56,507 --> 00:52:59,844
that time in the jungle
with me and Marty and the tiger.
815
00:52:59,927 --> 00:53:03,181
Yeah, that was really...
That was just insane.
816
00:53:03,556 --> 00:53:07,143
We had this guy there with the tiger...
A couple, the trainers.
817
00:53:07,226 --> 00:53:09,020
He had a slight speech impediment.
818
00:53:09,103 --> 00:53:12,440
He had scar tissue,
like, all over his face
819
00:53:12,523 --> 00:53:15,276
where he'd had some bouts
with his tiger, Gambi.
820
00:53:15,902 --> 00:53:20,031
You had a cat that's done that two
or three times, it's no longer worth it.
821
00:53:20,865 --> 00:53:23,534
Because once
they put a hole in your leg...
822
00:53:23,618 --> 00:53:26,454
It's usually on the joint because
it's usually where they're going for,
823
00:53:26,537 --> 00:53:29,207
and you can't walk for a year.
824
00:53:29,290 --> 00:53:30,375
And you don't wanna do it anymore,
825
00:53:30,458 --> 00:53:33,294
so you usually put the cat out
and start over again.
826
00:53:33,377 --> 00:53:37,215
The trainer had, like, a pig on a string,
so the tiger would see him.
827
00:53:37,298 --> 00:53:38,508
Then he was gonna pull him back
828
00:53:38,591 --> 00:53:40,718
to make him jump
at the right angle or something.
829
00:53:40,802 --> 00:53:42,720
So the guy'd come around and say,
830
00:53:42,804 --> 00:53:46,557
"Gambi's very hungry today, Martin.
He's very hungry, Mr. Coppola.
831
00:53:46,641 --> 00:53:48,726
"I'm sure he will do exactly
what you want.
832
00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:50,728
"We haven't fed him in a week."
833
00:53:50,812 --> 00:53:52,730
- Oh, shit.
- Action.
834
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,026
We'd come out there and
Francis'd keep saying, "Get closer."
835
00:53:57,110 --> 00:54:00,738
We're saying, "You get closer, Francis.
You get closer."
836
00:54:04,951 --> 00:54:06,327
What is it?
837
00:54:08,579 --> 00:54:10,498
Charlie? VC?
838
00:54:16,796 --> 00:54:18,005
Tiger!
839
00:54:20,133 --> 00:54:21,884
Man, I've never been so frightened
in my life,
840
00:54:21,968 --> 00:54:23,845
because it was so fast, man.
841
00:54:23,928 --> 00:54:27,056
Guys were running everywhere,
climbing trees.
842
00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:29,600
I gotta remember. Never get out of the boat.
843
00:54:29,684 --> 00:54:31,018
Never get out of the boat!
844
00:54:31,102 --> 00:54:34,981
And to me, that was the essence
of the whole film in Vietnam,
845
00:54:35,064 --> 00:54:38,985
where it was the look
in that tiger's eyes, the madness,
846
00:54:39,068 --> 00:54:42,530
like it didn't matter what you wanted.
There was no reality anymore.
847
00:54:42,613 --> 00:54:45,491
If that tiger wanted you, you were his.
848
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:54,250
Never get out of the boat.
849
00:54:54,333 --> 00:54:56,294
Absolutely goddamn right.
850
00:54:58,337 --> 00:55:00,798
Unless you were going all the way.
851
00:55:02,550 --> 00:55:06,637
I remember complaining
to Francis one day about my confusion
852
00:55:06,721 --> 00:55:10,057
about all that was going down,
and I said to him,
853
00:55:10,141 --> 00:55:13,227
"I don't know who this guy is.
Who is this Willard?"
854
00:55:13,311 --> 00:55:16,397
And Francis just looked at me
square in the eye and he said,
855
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,609
"He's you. Whoever you are.
856
00:55:20,943 --> 00:55:25,031
"Whatever we're filming at the time,
you are that character."
857
00:55:29,785 --> 00:55:31,621
Francis said he had a dream
a few nights ago
858
00:55:31,704 --> 00:55:34,332
about being on the set
of the Saigon hotel room
859
00:55:34,415 --> 00:55:37,043
with Marty and a Green Beret advisor.
860
00:55:37,126 --> 00:55:39,754
In the dream,
the Green Beret was telling Francis
861
00:55:39,837 --> 00:55:44,258
that what he was doing with Marty
was wrong. It would never be like that.
862
00:55:44,342 --> 00:55:47,178
The Green Beret said
those guys were vain.
863
00:55:47,261 --> 00:55:48,471
The guy would go to the mirror
864
00:55:48,554 --> 00:55:51,641
and admire his beautiful hair
and beautiful mouth.
865
00:55:51,724 --> 00:55:55,728
In Francis' dream, he had Marty
go to the mirror and look at himself,
866
00:55:55,811 --> 00:55:57,480
admire his mouth.
867
00:55:57,563 --> 00:55:59,023
And when he turned around,
868
00:55:59,106 --> 00:56:03,194
Francis could see that Marty
had suddenly turned into Willard.
869
00:56:09,325 --> 00:56:11,869
Francis was going for a moment
870
00:56:11,953 --> 00:56:15,998
where you see
Martin Sheen's dark side,
871
00:56:16,082 --> 00:56:18,334
his primeval being or something...
872
00:56:18,417 --> 00:56:22,547
Some part of him
that would lead you to understand
873
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:25,383
how this person could
commit an assassination.
874
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,595
At the time of doing that scene,
I was talking in terms of
875
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:34,225
showing the different levels
of good and evil in yourself.
876
00:56:34,308 --> 00:56:38,187
And I imagined that this guy did things
that nobody had ever seen,
877
00:56:38,271 --> 00:56:40,606
or he'd never talk to anyone,
must still be in him.
878
00:56:40,690 --> 00:56:44,860
And he must have that Kurtzian
other side in him.
879
00:56:45,444 --> 00:56:47,738
Fellows, get ready as soon
as you can, please!
880
00:56:47,822 --> 00:56:49,448
Let's go. Got to reload.
881
00:56:49,532 --> 00:56:50,574
Give us a little boost here!
882
00:56:50,658 --> 00:56:52,868
Okay, fellows, here we go.
883
00:56:57,039 --> 00:57:01,294
They set up this hotel room,
and Marty decided to have a few drinks.
884
00:57:02,169 --> 00:57:03,838
He wasn't drinking at all at the time,
885
00:57:03,921 --> 00:57:07,675
and they rolled the cameras
without telling him what to do.
886
00:57:11,012 --> 00:57:13,598
Fellows, watch your reflections
in the mirror. Here we go.
887
00:57:13,681 --> 00:57:14,932
Yeah, places, everybody.
888
00:57:15,016 --> 00:57:17,518
Five-B, take three, camera A.
889
00:57:17,768 --> 00:57:18,978
Action!
890
00:57:21,439 --> 00:57:26,610
That opening sequence was shot
on my 36th birthday, August 3rd,
891
00:57:26,694 --> 00:57:29,864
and I was so drunk,
I couldn't stand up, frankly.
892
00:57:30,656 --> 00:57:33,451
Marty, go look at yourself in the mirror.
893
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:37,288
I want you to look
at how beautiful you are.
894
00:57:37,371 --> 00:57:41,292
I want you to look at your mouth,
your mouth and your hair.
895
00:57:45,671 --> 00:57:47,882
You look like a movie star.
896
00:57:51,677 --> 00:57:53,888
Now frighten yourself, Marty.
897
00:57:55,556 --> 00:57:58,351
Show yourself the part that's an animal.
898
00:58:10,654 --> 00:58:14,450
I was so intoxicated, I didn't realize
how close to the mirror I was.
899
00:58:14,533 --> 00:58:15,826
So when I struck it,
900
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:20,206
I ended up catching my thumb
in the mirror and split it open a bit.
901
00:58:22,416 --> 00:58:23,626
Okay, cut.
902
00:58:25,461 --> 00:58:26,754
Do we have a doctor?
903
00:58:27,588 --> 00:58:30,216
Francis tried to stop it,
and he called for a doctor.
904
00:58:30,299 --> 00:58:34,929
There was a nurse standing by,
and I said, "No, let it go.
905
00:58:35,763 --> 00:58:38,182
"I want to have this out
right here and now."
906
00:58:38,265 --> 00:58:40,559
It had to do with facing
my worst enemy, myself.
907
00:58:42,103 --> 00:58:46,273
I was in a chaotic, spiritual state inside.
908
00:58:51,612 --> 00:58:53,155
Talk to me.
909
00:58:58,577 --> 00:59:01,580
Why did you come back?
Why did you come back?
910
00:59:09,088 --> 00:59:11,298
I fought him like a tiger.
911
00:59:12,425 --> 00:59:16,303
It was real hard for me to reveal myself.
912
00:59:17,721 --> 00:59:19,598
You fucker!
913
00:59:21,225 --> 00:59:22,768
Think about it.
914
00:59:24,311 --> 00:59:25,730
Your wife.
915
00:59:28,149 --> 00:59:30,818
- Your home.
- I...
916
00:59:30,901 --> 00:59:32,236
Your car.
917
00:59:36,323 --> 00:59:37,450
My...
918
00:59:39,493 --> 00:59:42,663
My heart is broken!
919
00:59:45,875 --> 00:59:48,002
God damn it!
920
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,755
The room had been charged
with the possibility
921
00:59:51,839 --> 00:59:55,259
that Marty might lunge at the camera
or attack Francis.
922
00:59:55,342 --> 00:59:59,472
There was an electricity in the room.
Anything could happen.
923
00:59:59,555 --> 01:00:02,766
They were inside somebody,
in his personal territory,
924
01:00:02,850 --> 01:00:05,895
with a man alone
in his most private moment.
925
01:00:14,361 --> 01:00:18,699
I pretended I couldn't remember
a lot of the things I'd done that night.
926
01:00:18,782 --> 01:00:20,868
Actually, I remembered it all.
927
01:00:21,619 --> 01:00:23,537
Dave, give me a hand, would you?
928
01:00:24,330 --> 01:00:26,874
Come on, pal, let's take a shower.
929
01:00:28,667 --> 01:00:33,380
Marty is extremely generous,
big-hearted man.
930
01:00:34,882 --> 01:00:37,176
He's filled with a lot of love,
931
01:00:37,177 --> 01:00:38,177
and...
932
01:00:41,722 --> 01:00:43,474
Much unlike Willard.
933
01:00:45,851 --> 01:00:49,396
And so, when you ask Marty
934
01:00:50,272 --> 01:00:53,526
to examine the darker nature
of this character,
935
01:00:54,902 --> 01:00:57,571
it meant closing himself down a lot
936
01:00:58,072 --> 01:01:01,534
and becoming very inward,
937
01:01:01,617 --> 01:01:04,245
in order to find the killer
938
01:01:04,328 --> 01:01:08,082
who could carry out the task
and terminate Kurtz.
939
01:01:09,375 --> 01:01:11,001
I think it was...
940
01:01:11,085 --> 01:01:14,296
Willard was definitely responsible
941
01:01:14,380 --> 01:01:17,132
for Marty's own breakdown.
942
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:26,058
March 1, 1977.
943
01:01:26,392 --> 01:01:28,018
Last night at 2:00 in the morning,
944
01:01:28,102 --> 01:01:30,938
Marty Sheen experienced
severe chest pains.
945
01:01:31,438 --> 01:01:34,275
At daybreak, he crawled out of his room
and down to the local highway,
946
01:01:34,358 --> 01:01:37,194
where he was picked up
by a public bus.
947
01:01:37,278 --> 01:01:38,862
After being taken
to the production office,
948
01:01:38,946 --> 01:01:41,407
he was rushed to the hospital.
949
01:01:41,490 --> 01:01:45,119
Marty, it turned out,
had suffered a serious heart attack.
950
01:01:45,202 --> 01:01:49,164
He received last rites from a priest
who did not speak English.
951
01:01:51,417 --> 01:01:56,046
I really had a very close call
and I realized...
952
01:01:56,130 --> 01:01:58,507
It's nothing that I can put into words.
953
01:01:58,591 --> 01:02:01,719
I just knew that if I wanted to live,
it was my choice.
954
01:02:01,802 --> 01:02:03,470
If I wanted to die,
that was my choice, too.
955
01:02:04,013 --> 01:02:05,055
There wasn't even any fear.
956
01:02:05,139 --> 01:02:09,351
The fear only came when I realized later
how close I came to the end.
957
01:02:09,435 --> 01:02:11,478
That's when I got scared.
958
01:02:12,062 --> 01:02:16,317
I remember the phone ringing,
and my secretary said,
959
01:02:17,026 --> 01:02:22,990
"Marty's had a heart attack,
and Francis doesn't want to admit it."
960
01:02:23,449 --> 01:02:26,243
Dave Salvin let Melissa
tell Barry Hirsch
961
01:02:26,327 --> 01:02:29,788
that Marty had a heart attack!
What the fuck is that?
962
01:02:30,831 --> 01:02:32,416
What the fuck is that?
963
01:02:32,499 --> 01:02:35,794
You know that it's gonna be
all over Hollywood in a half an hour?
964
01:02:35,878 --> 01:02:38,964
If Marty is so seriously stricken,
965
01:02:39,048 --> 01:02:41,133
then he must go back.
966
01:02:41,216 --> 01:02:43,510
Of course he will go back,
and we'll eat it,
967
01:02:43,594 --> 01:02:46,513
but when I talked to the doctor,
they didn't know.
968
01:02:46,597 --> 01:02:47,848
Marty's a young man.
969
01:02:47,931 --> 01:02:51,769
He probably would be able
to be up and about in three weeks.
970
01:02:53,312 --> 01:02:55,522
I said, "Could he do non-strenuous work
971
01:02:55,606 --> 01:02:58,108
"such as just close-ups,
sitting and acting?"
972
01:02:58,192 --> 01:02:59,443
He said, "Possibly, yes."
973
01:02:59,526 --> 01:03:01,403
That's all I need to hear from the doctor.
974
01:03:01,487 --> 01:03:05,616
So what's going on in fucking
trade winds is fucking gossip.
975
01:03:05,699 --> 01:03:06,950
Gossip.
976
01:03:07,451 --> 01:03:08,994
That gossip can finish me off.
977
01:03:09,078 --> 01:03:11,664
If UA hears that it's eight weeks,
978
01:03:11,747 --> 01:03:13,958
UA with a $27 million negative
979
01:03:14,041 --> 01:03:16,627
is gonna force me
to complete it with what I've got,
980
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:19,672
- and I don't have the movie yet.
- Right.
981
01:03:19,755 --> 01:03:21,590
- All right, now, you understand exactly?
- Yes.
982
01:03:21,674 --> 01:03:24,969
If Marty dies, I wanna hear
that everything's okay,
983
01:03:25,052 --> 01:03:27,012
until I say, "Marty is dead."
984
01:03:27,096 --> 01:03:28,097
- You got it?
- Right.
985
01:03:28,180 --> 01:03:31,141
If it's not done, man,
ship the whole office out of here.
986
01:03:31,225 --> 01:03:32,643
- You know what I'm saying?
- Yes.
987
01:03:32,726 --> 01:03:34,311
Okay, I'm really scared, guys.
988
01:03:34,395 --> 01:03:36,897
The first time
I've been scared on this movie.
989
01:03:37,731 --> 01:03:42,319
Whenever Francis gets in trouble
on a picture, and not sure...
990
01:03:42,403 --> 01:03:45,406
The thing is to keep going,
which I respect and admire.
991
01:03:45,489 --> 01:03:47,282
You gotta keep moving forward.
992
01:03:47,366 --> 01:03:48,575
'Cause, I mean, of course,
993
01:03:48,659 --> 01:03:51,328
the guy had mortgaged his home
and everything else
994
01:03:51,412 --> 01:03:53,706
to be able to make this movie.
995
01:03:56,375 --> 01:03:58,544
We shot masters of scenes.
996
01:03:59,294 --> 01:04:02,589
A lot of that material we shot
with a double over Marty's shoulder.
997
01:04:02,673 --> 01:04:06,468
Then we went back when he came back
and shot the close-ups.
998
01:04:07,469 --> 01:04:10,097
So we had to find work
for the shooting unit
999
01:04:10,180 --> 01:04:12,975
for as long as it was gonna take
to get Marty back.
1000
01:04:13,434 --> 01:04:14,685
Okay...
1001
01:04:14,768 --> 01:04:17,604
I'll shoot anything.
Tell me something I can shoot.
1002
01:04:17,688 --> 01:04:20,149
We're out of little pickups to shoot.
1003
01:04:20,232 --> 01:04:21,859
I'll shoot the transition to medevac.
1004
01:04:21,942 --> 01:04:24,903
Or I'll do a take of this.
I'll shoot anything.
1005
01:04:25,946 --> 01:04:27,823
Give me a break.
What did I accomplish today?
1006
01:04:27,906 --> 01:04:29,950
You found out, number one,
1007
01:04:30,034 --> 01:04:31,368
that we're going to have
a tremendous problem
1008
01:04:31,452 --> 01:04:32,703
without Marty with these scenes.
1009
01:04:32,786 --> 01:04:34,038
We knew we were gonna have to
1010
01:04:34,121 --> 01:04:36,540
at least open one major scene
without Marty.
1011
01:04:36,623 --> 01:04:37,624
I knew that a lot.
1012
01:04:37,708 --> 01:04:40,377
I told you we could get through
three weeks or four weeks maybe,
1013
01:04:40,461 --> 01:04:42,755
but after that, we were in trouble.
We both knew it.
1014
01:04:42,838 --> 01:04:46,008
All I'm saying is, from my point of view,
I'd like to do something.
1015
01:04:46,091 --> 01:04:50,804
I feel like I'm this Peck's Bad Boy
who's, like, being unreasonable.
1016
01:04:52,973 --> 01:04:54,433
Can I have a club soda?
1017
01:04:54,516 --> 01:04:56,685
- Club soda department?
- Yeah.
1018
01:05:07,780 --> 01:05:10,157
Who knows
what Francis had put together?
1019
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,076
And they brought me back
to put the script back together,
1020
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,497
and everybody said,
"Thank God! He's returned to reason!
1021
01:05:16,580 --> 01:05:20,000
"Thank God! This will be all right now!
This is a new day!
1022
01:05:20,084 --> 01:05:22,294
"This thing will finally be released."
1023
01:05:22,377 --> 01:05:26,089
They said, "Go in there and tell him
that he's been crazy."
1024
01:05:26,173 --> 01:05:27,591
And all this kind of stuff.
1025
01:05:27,674 --> 01:05:32,888
I felt like von Rundstedt
going to see Hitler in 1944,
1026
01:05:32,971 --> 01:05:34,223
and I was gonna be telling him
1027
01:05:34,306 --> 01:05:35,891
there was no more gasoline
on the eastern front,
1028
01:05:35,974 --> 01:05:38,477
and the whole thing was going to fold.
1029
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,063
And I came out an hour-and-a-half later,
1030
01:05:41,146 --> 01:05:44,191
and he had convinced me
that this was the first film
1031
01:05:44,274 --> 01:05:46,944
that would win a Nobel Prize, you know.
1032
01:05:47,027 --> 01:05:49,154
And so I came out of the room
like von Rundstedt,
1033
01:05:49,238 --> 01:05:52,282
"We can win!
1034
01:05:52,366 --> 01:05:54,409
"We don't need gasoline!"
1035
01:05:54,493 --> 01:05:58,247
He had completely turned me around.
I would have done anything.
1036
01:06:01,458 --> 01:06:03,710
April 19th, 1977.
1037
01:06:04,711 --> 01:06:07,005
This is Marty's first day back on the set.
1038
01:06:07,089 --> 01:06:09,049
He arrived about an hour ago.
1039
01:06:09,133 --> 01:06:10,259
He looks tan and terrific,
1040
01:06:10,342 --> 01:06:12,845
just like he came back
from Palm Beach.
1041
01:06:12,928 --> 01:06:16,306
Francis put his ear on Marty's chest
to check him out.
1042
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:18,517
He said he looked too good.
1043
01:06:36,785 --> 01:06:41,456
Part of me was afraid of what I would find
and what I would do when I got there.
1044
01:06:43,834 --> 01:06:48,422
I knew the risks, or imagined I knew.
1045
01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:55,721
But the thing I felt the most,
much stronger than fear,
1046
01:06:56,513 --> 01:06:58,807
was the desire to confront him.
1047
01:07:11,403 --> 01:07:15,032
What I have to arrive at in my mind
is Willard's state of mind
1048
01:07:15,115 --> 01:07:18,327
when he arrives at the compound.
1049
01:07:18,410 --> 01:07:21,371
He could either arrive incredibly angry
1050
01:07:21,455 --> 01:07:25,042
or like a newborn baby.
1051
01:07:25,125 --> 01:07:28,462
And I think what he should find
at the end is death.
1052
01:07:28,795 --> 01:07:32,966
That at the end of this whole thing,
1053
01:07:33,050 --> 01:07:35,302
there is a frightening...
1054
01:07:37,763 --> 01:07:40,891
A frightening place
that just smells of death.
1055
01:07:44,102 --> 01:07:45,145
In the script,
1056
01:07:45,229 --> 01:07:49,399
Kurtz has trained a tribe of local
Montagnard Indians as his private army.
1057
01:07:49,483 --> 01:07:52,027
Rather than dress up Filipino extras
everyday,
1058
01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:54,279
Francis has recruited
a tribe of Ifugao Indians
1059
01:07:54,363 --> 01:07:56,573
from the mountains to the north.
1060
01:07:56,657 --> 01:07:58,992
There is a rumor on the set that,
until recently,
1061
01:07:59,076 --> 01:08:01,995
the Ifugao were practicing headhunters.
1062
01:08:03,121 --> 01:08:05,249
Last Saturday, they had a feast.
1063
01:08:05,332 --> 01:08:09,211
The old men of the tribe
sat in the priest's house and chanted.
1064
01:08:09,294 --> 01:08:10,629
I wanted to film the ceremony,
1065
01:08:10,712 --> 01:08:13,715
so their mayor asked permission for me
to shoot.
1066
01:08:13,799 --> 01:08:18,428
I was told if I entered, I could not leave
during the first set of chants.
1067
01:08:18,512 --> 01:08:23,642
I was interested in documenting,
photographing the actual ritual
1068
01:08:23,725 --> 01:08:25,852
that they performed.
1069
01:08:28,105 --> 01:08:31,441
They began at night,
inside their hut up on stilts,
1070
01:08:31,525 --> 01:08:35,320
and they drank a lot of rice wine
and chanted,
1071
01:08:35,404 --> 01:08:38,573
and they told a long story
in their own language.
1072
01:08:41,827 --> 01:08:43,286
This went on during the night.
1073
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:48,458
The next morning, they began to kill
some chickens and look at their bile
1074
01:08:48,542 --> 01:08:51,044
and tell the fortune of the tribe.
1075
01:08:51,128 --> 01:08:54,840
And then they killed some pigs
in a very sacrificial way.
1076
01:09:04,099 --> 01:09:05,142
By this time,
1077
01:09:05,225 --> 01:09:07,644
I felt that there was something
very profound and moving
1078
01:09:07,728 --> 01:09:08,812
about this experience,
1079
01:09:08,895 --> 01:09:11,815
so I ran back to the house
to get Francis,
1080
01:09:11,898 --> 01:09:13,400
and I said,
"You know, you've got to see this,
1081
01:09:13,483 --> 01:09:16,111
"because they're going to kill a caribou."
1082
01:09:16,194 --> 01:09:18,030
He was writing
and didn't really wanna come,
1083
01:09:18,113 --> 01:09:20,699
but I really encouraged him
to come back to the location.
1084
01:09:20,782 --> 01:09:23,785
And we got back there
just maybe 10 minutes
1085
01:09:23,869 --> 01:09:27,497
before they killed this caribou
in this ritual way.
1086
01:09:27,581 --> 01:09:29,833
The caribou was standing there,
1087
01:09:29,916 --> 01:09:32,169
and they just seemed to come out
from nowhere
1088
01:09:32,252 --> 01:09:36,465
and just kill it very quickly
with these big machetes,
1089
01:09:36,548 --> 01:09:38,425
and it fell to the ground.
1090
01:09:40,260 --> 01:09:43,180
There was something very beautiful
and strong and profound
1091
01:09:43,263 --> 01:09:44,765
about these people
who killed this animal,
1092
01:09:44,848 --> 01:09:49,311
and then they all ate it at a festival,
1093
01:09:49,394 --> 01:09:51,271
kind of like Thanksgiving.
1094
01:10:00,697 --> 01:10:02,866
As Francis and I
were getting ready to leave,
1095
01:10:02,949 --> 01:10:04,868
the mayor asked
if we would do the priest
1096
01:10:04,951 --> 01:10:07,370
the honor of accepting
the best part of the caribou
1097
01:10:07,454 --> 01:10:10,415
that is usually reserved for him,
the heart.
1098
01:10:10,916 --> 01:10:12,334
We thanked him.
1099
01:10:12,417 --> 01:10:13,460
Through a translator,
1100
01:10:13,543 --> 01:10:16,171
he said that he would like his picture
taken with Francis.
1101
01:10:16,254 --> 01:10:17,381
I took a photograph
1102
01:10:17,464 --> 01:10:21,051
of the two priests and Francis
standing there together.
1103
01:10:23,637 --> 01:10:29,434
It was enough like people in war
who get set up like little tribal chieftains
1104
01:10:29,518 --> 01:10:33,814
to stimulate the imagination
along those lines.
1105
01:10:34,981 --> 01:10:40,237
A film director is kind of one of
the last truly dictatorial posts left
1106
01:10:40,904 --> 01:10:43,240
in a world
getting more and more democratic.
1107
01:10:43,323 --> 01:10:46,451
So that, plus being
1108
01:10:46,535 --> 01:10:49,621
in a distant, Oriental country,
1109
01:10:51,164 --> 01:10:54,251
the fact that pretty much
it was my own money
1110
01:10:54,334 --> 01:10:58,505
and that I was making it on the crest
of the acclaim of the Godfather films,
1111
01:10:58,588 --> 01:11:00,257
you know, I was wealthy,
1112
01:11:00,340 --> 01:11:04,511
did contribute to a state of mind
that was like Kurtz.
1113
01:11:13,103 --> 01:11:15,147
What did they tell you?
1114
01:11:17,691 --> 01:11:24,030
They told me that you had gone
totally insane,
1115
01:11:26,992 --> 01:11:33,415
and that your methods were unsound.
1116
01:11:37,210 --> 01:11:39,254
Are my methods unsound?
1117
01:11:45,177 --> 01:11:51,391
I don't see any method at all, sir.
1118
01:11:58,607 --> 01:11:59,649
Thirty-eight takes
1119
01:11:59,733 --> 01:12:02,819
and Francis said the scene
was never the way he wanted it.
1120
01:12:02,903 --> 01:12:05,071
The people who were
playing the severed heads
1121
01:12:05,155 --> 01:12:07,115
sat in their boxes buried in the ground
1122
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:09,743
from 8:00 in the morning
till 6:00 at night.
1123
01:12:09,826 --> 01:12:13,496
All day they were there in the hot sun
with smoke blowing on them.
1124
01:12:13,580 --> 01:12:16,750
Between takes,
they were covered with umbrellas.
1125
01:13:08,301 --> 01:13:11,555
It's nice because this is the moment
when Chief dies,
1126
01:13:11,638 --> 01:13:14,808
that he looks up
and sees this harlequin figure
1127
01:13:14,891 --> 01:13:16,893
waving all the people away.
1128
01:13:16,977 --> 01:13:20,480
He sees, essentially, Dennis Hopper.
Know what I mean?
1129
01:13:21,231 --> 01:13:24,985
Zap them with your siren, man.
Zap them with your siren.
1130
01:13:26,820 --> 01:13:29,322
I have Dennis Hopper playing
a spaced-out photojournalist
1131
01:13:29,406 --> 01:13:33,410
with 12 cameras who's here
because he's gonna get the truth,
1132
01:13:33,493 --> 01:13:36,538
and it's all, "Man!" You know?
1133
01:13:36,621 --> 01:13:38,999
And he's a wonderful apparition.
1134
01:13:39,916 --> 01:13:41,710
I'm an American. Yeah.
1135
01:13:41,793 --> 01:13:43,837
An American civilian. Hi, Yanks.
1136
01:13:44,504 --> 01:13:46,089
Hi, American.
1137
01:13:46,172 --> 01:13:48,758
I didn't know till two weeks
before I came in
1138
01:13:48,842 --> 01:13:50,260
I was even going to be in the picture,
1139
01:13:50,343 --> 01:13:56,391
much less play the photojournalist guy
in tatters and rags, taking photographs,
1140
01:13:56,474 --> 01:14:00,687
trying to explain what this was all about
and how it's blowing his mind away.
1141
01:14:00,854 --> 01:14:04,190
I was not in the greatest of shape,
you know,
1142
01:14:04,274 --> 01:14:07,152
as far as, like,
my career was concerned,
1143
01:14:07,235 --> 01:14:11,865
and it was delightful to hear that
I was gonna go do anything anywhere.
1144
01:14:13,450 --> 01:14:16,411
And I really appreciate Francis' writing,
1145
01:14:17,287 --> 01:14:19,664
even though he does
drop it on you sometimes,
1146
01:14:19,748 --> 01:14:22,751
and it does take you sometimes,
an idiot like me, a whole day to learn it.
1147
01:14:23,168 --> 01:14:25,003
Why didn't you say that
to him in the scene?
1148
01:14:25,086 --> 01:14:26,963
- Who?
- Something clever like that.
1149
01:14:27,047 --> 01:14:29,299
When he says, "Who are you?"
Why didn't you say, "Who are you?"
1150
01:14:29,382 --> 01:14:33,803
- Because I haven't learned my lines yet.
- I know. You've had them for five days!
1151
01:14:33,887 --> 01:14:37,057
- The other thing I'd like to say is that...
- Those glasses...
1152
01:14:37,140 --> 01:14:39,768
These glasses,
I can't see anything through them.
1153
01:14:39,851 --> 01:14:43,855
But, like, every crack
represents a life I've saved.
1154
01:14:45,106 --> 01:14:48,526
You know what I mean?
They represent a life I've saved.
1155
01:14:48,610 --> 01:14:50,236
Say all that in the scene.
1156
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:55,825
I do, but you see, the director says,
"You don't know your lines."
1157
01:14:55,909 --> 01:14:57,577
Well, if you know your lines,
1158
01:14:57,660 --> 01:14:59,579
then you can forget them.
You can know, more or less...
1159
01:14:59,662 --> 01:15:03,458
Oh, I see,
but that's what I'm trying to do.
1160
01:15:03,541 --> 01:15:05,085
Forget those lines.
1161
01:15:05,168 --> 01:15:07,545
No, but it's not fair to forget them
if you never knew them.
1162
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:12,092
I'm not gonna help you.
You're gonna help him, man.
1163
01:15:12,842 --> 01:15:14,511
You're gonna help him.
1164
01:15:14,594 --> 01:15:17,097
I mean, what are they gonna say,
man, when he's gone, huh?
1165
01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:21,726
'Cause he dies when it dies, man.
When it dies, he dies.
1166
01:15:21,810 --> 01:15:23,311
What are they gonna say about him?
1167
01:15:23,395 --> 01:15:27,649
What are they gonna say?
"He was a kind man. He was a wise man.
1168
01:15:27,732 --> 01:15:31,361
"He had plans. He had wisdom."
Bullshit, man!
1169
01:15:31,444 --> 01:15:35,824
Am I gonna be the one that's gonna
set them straight? Look at me. Wrong!
1170
01:15:39,536 --> 01:15:40,620
You.
1171
01:16:07,021 --> 01:16:08,314
For years, Francis has dreamed
1172
01:16:08,398 --> 01:16:10,442
of a group of poets,
filmmakers and writers
1173
01:16:10,525 --> 01:16:13,611
who would come together
to form American Zoetrope.
1174
01:16:13,695 --> 01:16:17,532
This morning I realized that this was it,
right here in the heart of the jungle.
1175
01:16:19,284 --> 01:16:23,538
When you stop looking for something,
you see it right in front of you.
1176
01:16:30,420 --> 01:16:33,298
I'm not disclosing any trade secrets,
but I want you to understand now
1177
01:16:33,381 --> 01:16:37,427
that Mr. Kurtz had taken a high seat
amongst the devils of the land.
1178
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:39,220
I mean, literally.
1179
01:16:41,890 --> 01:16:45,685
A group of natives appeared
bearing a stretcher.
1180
01:16:46,561 --> 01:16:49,689
I looked down on the long,
gaunt figure of Kurtz,
1181
01:16:51,524 --> 01:16:53,651
the hollow cage of his ribs,
1182
01:16:55,111 --> 01:16:59,240
a bald skeleton head, like an ivory ball.
1183
01:17:03,786 --> 01:17:06,873
What did you do
with Marlon Brando when he arrived?
1184
01:17:06,956 --> 01:17:10,668
Well, he was already heavy
when I'd hired him,
1185
01:17:11,211 --> 01:17:13,630
and he promised me
that he was gonna get in shape.
1186
01:17:13,713 --> 01:17:18,843
And I imagined if he were heavy,
I could use that.
1187
01:17:19,344 --> 01:17:22,514
But he was so fat,
he was very, very shy about it.
1188
01:17:22,597 --> 01:17:25,433
Immediately when I saw him, I said,
"Well, I'll write this as a man
1189
01:17:25,517 --> 01:17:30,230
"who really, you know,
had indulged every aspect of himself."
1190
01:17:30,313 --> 01:17:35,443
So he was fat, and he had
two or three tribal girls with him
1191
01:17:35,527 --> 01:17:37,987
and was eating mangoes
and kind of go the other way.
1192
01:17:38,071 --> 01:17:40,573
And he was very, very adamant
1193
01:17:40,657 --> 01:17:42,534
that he didn't wanna portray himself
that way.
1194
01:17:42,992 --> 01:17:47,247
I mean, clearly, he had just,
kind of, left me in a tough spot.
1195
01:17:47,330 --> 01:17:49,916
The clock was ticking on this deal
he had.
1196
01:17:49,999 --> 01:17:53,086
We had to finish him
within three weeks,
1197
01:17:53,169 --> 01:17:56,089
or we'd go into
a very expensive overage.
1198
01:17:56,172 --> 01:18:00,009
So the whole company was sitting up
on the set, around the camera,
1199
01:18:00,093 --> 01:18:02,512
the crew all poised to go and shoot,
1200
01:18:02,595 --> 01:18:06,641
and Francis and Marlon
would be talking about the character.
1201
01:18:06,724 --> 01:18:08,810
And whole days would go by.
1202
01:18:09,435 --> 01:18:13,064
And this is at Marlon's urging,
1203
01:18:13,147 --> 01:18:15,608
and yet, he's getting paid for it.
1204
01:18:16,734 --> 01:18:19,237
One of the things
Francis said to Marlon in the beginning,
1205
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,407
"Read Heart of Darkness.
This is what we're going for."
1206
01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:25,368
And Marlon really worked hours
with Francis,
1207
01:18:25,451 --> 01:18:26,786
trying to develop the dialogue
1208
01:18:26,869 --> 01:18:31,040
and develop what it was that
he said in these circumstances.
1209
01:18:31,124 --> 01:18:34,335
And, of course, after Francis
had some dialogs with him,
1210
01:18:34,419 --> 01:18:39,257
he realized that Marlon
had never read Heart of Darkness,
1211
01:18:39,799 --> 01:18:42,635
and it was a complete shock.
1212
01:18:43,761 --> 01:18:46,097
Marlon's basic notes,
as I understood them,
1213
01:18:46,180 --> 01:18:49,309
as I just glanced at them,
were all motivation things.
1214
01:18:49,392 --> 01:18:54,439
In other words, it's like getting in
to saying, "Why is he going on a boat?"
1215
01:18:54,522 --> 01:18:55,940
And I can't answer them,
1216
01:18:56,024 --> 01:19:00,111
because it's too late for me
to change the structure.
1217
01:19:00,194 --> 01:19:04,324
So what I really need from him
are the facts about who he is.
1218
01:19:04,407 --> 01:19:06,576
And in a way, I don't even care.
1219
01:19:06,659 --> 01:19:11,956
Is he a fat guy who's got his shirt off
and starting to wear necklaces?
1220
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:16,294
Or is he bulging,
is his uniform bulging at the buttons?
1221
01:19:16,377 --> 01:19:18,630
But I know that this guy's
a fucking traitor...
1222
01:19:18,713 --> 01:19:19,881
You don't let me talk to you.
1223
01:19:19,964 --> 01:19:22,216
See, my problem is not only
I have to come up with a scene,
1224
01:19:22,300 --> 01:19:25,595
but it's gotta have the right shape
to fit in the jigsaw puzzle.
1225
01:19:25,678 --> 01:19:27,221
Maybe I ought to get Dennis Hopper
in this scene,
1226
01:19:27,305 --> 01:19:29,057
so it's just not with two characters.
1227
01:19:29,140 --> 01:19:31,559
- You know.
- No, I don't know, Francis.
1228
01:19:31,643 --> 01:19:33,478
You know, I don't. Nobody's told me.
1229
01:19:33,561 --> 01:19:34,937
I mean, I have been afraid
1230
01:19:35,021 --> 01:19:36,939
to even put Dennis Hopper
and Marlon together
1231
01:19:37,023 --> 01:19:40,318
'cause, Christ, I haven't figured out
what Marty's going to do with Marlon.
1232
01:19:40,401 --> 01:19:42,695
What happens if I got crazy
Dennis Hopper in there?
1233
01:19:42,779 --> 01:19:44,280
- I know nothing.
- I'll tell you.
1234
01:19:44,364 --> 01:19:47,367
- But you don't let me tell you.
- Oh, I see.
1235
01:19:49,410 --> 01:19:51,287
Kurtz found out that he was an assassin
1236
01:19:51,371 --> 01:19:53,414
who was sent to kill him.
1237
01:19:53,498 --> 01:19:56,209
- I know that. I have that information.
- Yeah.
1238
01:19:56,292 --> 01:19:57,835
Okay, that's what I'm saying.
1239
01:19:57,919 --> 01:19:59,170
Okay, just do what I ask.
1240
01:19:59,253 --> 01:20:02,674
When I say you just explain the poem
and the reason you're explaining is...
1241
01:20:02,757 --> 01:20:04,050
But, you see, I need to know reasons.
1242
01:20:04,133 --> 01:20:05,134
I'm telling you the reason.
1243
01:20:05,218 --> 01:20:07,970
I can't ever talk more
than a fucking sentence!
1244
01:20:08,054 --> 01:20:10,932
The reason that you're
explaining the poem to him
1245
01:20:11,015 --> 01:20:13,267
is because you want to indicate
to this guy
1246
01:20:13,351 --> 01:20:17,146
that he does not understand Kurtz,
that Kurtz is a strange man.
1247
01:20:17,230 --> 01:20:21,651
What you're trying to express
is that he's, kind of, in the twilight zone,
1248
01:20:21,734 --> 01:20:24,445
that his twilight zone
is our twilight zone.
1249
01:20:24,529 --> 01:20:26,864
It's America's twilight zone.
1250
01:20:26,948 --> 01:20:29,283
So that he will not judge him.
1251
01:20:29,367 --> 01:20:32,912
So that he will accept him
as a great man and help him.
1252
01:20:37,250 --> 01:20:38,751
Okay, man.
1253
01:20:39,252 --> 01:20:41,003
There's no good, right, wrong, bad.
1254
01:20:41,087 --> 01:20:42,547
One through nine and back to one.
1255
01:20:42,630 --> 01:20:44,549
No fractions, no maybes, no supposes.
1256
01:20:44,632 --> 01:20:45,675
You can't travel in space.
1257
01:20:45,758 --> 01:20:50,013
You can't go out into space, you know,
without like... With fractions.
1258
01:20:50,096 --> 01:20:51,973
What are you gonna land on?
One-quarter? Three-eighths?
1259
01:20:52,056 --> 01:20:54,809
What are you gonna do when you go
from here to Venus or something?
1260
01:20:54,892 --> 01:20:56,811
That's dialectic physics, okay?
1261
01:20:56,894 --> 01:20:58,855
Dialectic logic is,
"There's only love and hate."
1262
01:20:58,938 --> 01:21:01,733
You either love somebody
or you hate them.
1263
01:21:01,816 --> 01:21:02,817
Mutt!
1264
01:21:04,277 --> 01:21:05,278
You mutt.
1265
01:21:07,071 --> 01:21:08,322
So what I should do...
1266
01:21:09,115 --> 01:21:13,369
What I should do is just shoot for
the next three weeks irrationally.
1267
01:21:14,287 --> 01:21:17,623
In other words,
if I did an improvisation every day
1268
01:21:17,707 --> 01:21:20,209
between Marlon Brando
and Marty Sheen,
1269
01:21:20,293 --> 01:21:25,798
would I, at that time, have more magical
and, in a way, telling moments
1270
01:21:27,008 --> 01:21:30,803
than if I just closed down
for three weeks
1271
01:21:30,887 --> 01:21:33,181
and write a structure that then they act?
1272
01:21:33,264 --> 01:21:34,307
And the answer would be
1273
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:37,310
I'm much better off
to do an improvisation everyday.
1274
01:21:37,393 --> 01:21:39,145
Two-sixty, take 3.
1275
01:21:44,650 --> 01:21:46,569
What is the blood lust?
1276
01:21:52,992 --> 01:21:54,702
The blood lust...
1277
01:21:56,204 --> 01:21:57,830
The blood lust,
1278
01:21:58,998 --> 01:22:00,208
they say,
1279
01:22:02,919 --> 01:22:05,421
all the men that I've read about,
1280
01:22:06,881 --> 01:22:12,595
they say that the human animal
is the only one that has blood lust.
1281
01:22:17,183 --> 01:22:19,185
Killing without purpose.
1282
01:22:20,686 --> 01:22:22,522
Killing for pleasure.
1283
01:22:23,397 --> 01:22:25,733
You can see light through this.
1284
01:22:28,486 --> 01:22:33,199
You take the ones
that are made for garbage detail.
1285
01:22:34,325 --> 01:22:38,496
You take the others who are
made to think, but who can't act.
1286
01:22:38,579 --> 01:22:40,123
You take...
1287
01:22:44,210 --> 01:22:45,878
I swallowed a bug.
1288
01:22:47,463 --> 01:22:51,843
It's irresistible
when a bee discovers honey.
1289
01:22:54,220 --> 01:22:56,472
He's irresistibly driven...
1290
01:22:57,473 --> 01:22:59,475
My... My friend laughs.
1291
01:23:00,852 --> 01:23:02,395
He's my critic.
1292
01:23:04,897 --> 01:23:08,985
My only critic perhaps,
outside of myself.
1293
01:23:10,403 --> 01:23:14,490
I mean, in a way, I'm like on a room
with all the floors covered with Vaseline
1294
01:23:14,574 --> 01:23:17,159
and all these new elements
are coming at me.
1295
01:23:17,243 --> 01:23:18,828
And I'm trying to go ahead,
1296
01:23:18,911 --> 01:23:22,915
but now I've got Marlon Brando
as an incredible joker to play.
1297
01:23:22,999 --> 01:23:26,919
And he's like a force of his own
'cause he don't give a shit.
1298
01:23:28,087 --> 01:23:33,593
I want a character
of a monumental nature
1299
01:23:33,676 --> 01:23:37,346
who is struggling
with the extremities of his soul
1300
01:23:38,848 --> 01:23:42,059
and is struggling with them
on such a level
1301
01:23:42,143 --> 01:23:45,354
that you're in awe of it
and is destroyed by them.
1302
01:23:48,774 --> 01:23:52,361
It takes bravery.
1303
01:23:53,195 --> 01:23:57,325
The deepest bullets
are not to be feared.
1304
01:23:57,408 --> 01:24:01,204
Phosphorous, napalm
are nothing to be feared,
1305
01:24:01,287 --> 01:24:05,666
but to look inward, to see that twisted
1306
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:10,713
mind that lies beneath
the surface of all humans
1307
01:24:11,714 --> 01:24:16,552
and to say, "Yes, I accept you.
1308
01:24:17,845 --> 01:24:19,972
"I even love you
because you're a part of me.
1309
01:24:20,056 --> 01:24:22,266
"You're an extension of me."
1310
01:24:25,061 --> 01:24:27,146
- What?
- Can you walk now?
1311
01:24:32,735 --> 01:24:34,612
Why are we in Vietnam?
1312
01:24:35,613 --> 01:24:40,409
It's our time to grab
this moment in history.
1313
01:24:44,538 --> 01:24:46,332
It's our time to...
1314
01:24:47,583 --> 01:24:49,377
- To teach.
- Microphone.
1315
01:24:58,886 --> 01:25:02,056
I can't think of anymore dialogue to say.
1316
01:25:03,849 --> 01:25:06,435
And I am feeling like an idiot
1317
01:25:07,812 --> 01:25:11,315
having set in motion stuff
that doesn't make any sense,
1318
01:25:11,399 --> 01:25:14,110
that doesn't match,
and yet I am doing it.
1319
01:25:14,193 --> 01:25:16,612
And the reason I'm doing it
is out of desperation,
1320
01:25:16,696 --> 01:25:19,282
'cause I have no rational way to do it.
1321
01:25:19,365 --> 01:25:22,618
What I have to admit is
that I don't know what I'm doing.
1322
01:25:22,702 --> 01:25:24,412
Well, how do you account
for the discrepancy
1323
01:25:24,495 --> 01:25:25,705
between what you feel about it
1324
01:25:25,788 --> 01:25:27,373
and what everybody else
who see it feels?
1325
01:25:27,456 --> 01:25:32,044
Because they see the magic
of what has happened before.
1326
01:25:32,128 --> 01:25:36,132
I'm saying, "Hey, it's not gonna happen!
I don't have any performances.
1327
01:25:36,215 --> 01:25:38,759
"The script doesn't make sense.
I have no ending."
1328
01:25:38,843 --> 01:25:42,179
I'm like a voice crying out, saying,
1329
01:25:42,263 --> 01:25:44,974
"Please, it's not working!
Somebody get me off this."
1330
01:25:45,057 --> 01:25:46,100
And nobody listens to me!
1331
01:25:46,183 --> 01:25:48,894
Everyone says, "Yes, well,
Francis works best in a crisis."
1332
01:25:48,978 --> 01:25:52,189
I'm saying, "This is one crisis
I'm not gonna pull myself out of!"
1333
01:25:52,273 --> 01:25:55,568
I'm making a bad movie.
So why should I go ahead? I'd rather...
1334
01:25:56,235 --> 01:25:58,487
I'm gonna be bankrupt anyway.
1335
01:25:59,155 --> 01:26:02,491
Why can't I just have the courage
to say, "It's no good"?
1336
01:26:05,036 --> 01:26:07,413
There's almost anything I'd do
to get out of it.
1337
01:26:07,496 --> 01:26:11,000
I'm already thinking about
what kind of sickness I can get.
1338
01:26:11,083 --> 01:26:13,336
I'm in the rain on the platform
thinking if I just moved a little,
1339
01:26:13,419 --> 01:26:15,004
I'd just fall 30 feet.
1340
01:26:15,087 --> 01:26:18,049
It might kill me,
but it might paralyze me or something.
1341
01:26:19,050 --> 01:26:21,343
It'd be a graceful way out.
1342
01:26:23,929 --> 01:26:26,390
Did you ever fear for his sanity?
1343
01:26:26,599 --> 01:26:30,686
Well, he did, at one point,
he fainted, kind of...
1344
01:26:30,770 --> 01:26:32,646
He had a collapse.
1345
01:26:33,105 --> 01:26:34,190
And he told me
1346
01:26:34,273 --> 01:26:37,276
that he could see himself
going down a dark tunnel,
1347
01:26:37,359 --> 01:26:40,237
and he didn't know
if he was dying or leaving this reality
1348
01:26:40,321 --> 01:26:41,447
or what was happening to him.
1349
01:26:43,449 --> 01:26:44,992
But he'd gone to the threshold,
1350
01:26:45,076 --> 01:26:49,455
maybe, of his sanity or something.
1351
01:26:52,792 --> 01:26:57,046
It was scary, but also
kind of exhilarating or thrilling
1352
01:26:57,129 --> 01:27:01,467
that he would take such risks
with himself
1353
01:27:02,843 --> 01:27:04,970
in his experience to go that far.
1354
01:27:05,054 --> 01:27:08,099
And I think this film
was all about risking,
1355
01:27:08,182 --> 01:27:09,475
risking your money,
1356
01:27:09,558 --> 01:27:13,229
risking your sanity,
1357
01:27:13,312 --> 01:27:16,899
risking how far you could
press your family members...
1358
01:27:16,982 --> 01:27:18,192
I mean, everything that he did,
1359
01:27:18,275 --> 01:27:22,863
he went to the extremes
to test those fringe regions
1360
01:27:22,947 --> 01:27:24,657
and then come back.
1361
01:27:25,366 --> 01:27:27,326
Nothing is so terrible
as a pretentious movie.
1362
01:27:27,409 --> 01:27:30,413
I mean, a movie that aspires
for something really terrific
1363
01:27:30,496 --> 01:27:33,457
and doesn't pull it off is shit, it's scum,
1364
01:27:33,999 --> 01:27:35,543
and everyone will walk on it as such.
1365
01:27:35,626 --> 01:27:39,130
And that's what poor filmmakers,
in a way, that's their greatest horror,
1366
01:27:39,213 --> 01:27:40,798
is to be pretentious.
1367
01:27:40,881 --> 01:27:41,966
So here you are, on one hand,
1368
01:27:42,049 --> 01:27:43,926
trying to aspire to really do something,
1369
01:27:44,009 --> 01:27:46,303
on the other hand,
you're not allowed to be pretentious.
1370
01:27:46,387 --> 01:27:50,266
And finally you say, "Fuck it! I don't care
if I'm pretentious or not pretentious,
1371
01:27:50,349 --> 01:27:51,725
"or if I've done it or I haven't done it."
1372
01:27:51,809 --> 01:27:54,812
All I know is that
I am going to see this movie,
1373
01:27:54,895 --> 01:27:57,106
and that, for me,
it has to have some answers.
1374
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:59,108
And by "answers,"
I don't mean just a punch line.
1375
01:27:59,191 --> 01:28:01,861
Answers on about 47 different levels.
1376
01:28:02,194 --> 01:28:06,073
It's very hard to talk about
these things without being very corny.
1377
01:28:06,157 --> 01:28:08,909
You use a word like
self-purgation or epiphany,
1378
01:28:08,993 --> 01:28:11,203
they think
you're either a religious weirdo
1379
01:28:11,287 --> 01:28:13,164
or, you know,
an asshole college professor.
1380
01:28:13,247 --> 01:28:17,001
But those are the words for the process,
this transmutation,
1381
01:28:17,543 --> 01:28:20,546
this renaissance, this rebirth,
1382
01:28:21,839 --> 01:28:24,133
which is the basis of all life.
1383
01:28:24,842 --> 01:28:27,094
The one rule that all man,
1384
01:28:27,178 --> 01:28:29,346
from the time
they first were walking around,
1385
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:30,890
looking up at the sun,
1386
01:28:30,973 --> 01:28:33,225
scratching around for food
and an animal to kill,
1387
01:28:33,517 --> 01:28:37,813
the first concept that,
I feel, got into their head
1388
01:28:37,897 --> 01:28:40,316
was the idea of life and death.
1389
01:28:40,399 --> 01:28:42,735
That the sun went down
and the sun went up.
1390
01:28:42,818 --> 01:28:45,738
That the crop, when they learned
how to make a crop, it died.
1391
01:28:45,821 --> 01:28:47,323
In the winter, everything died.
1392
01:28:47,406 --> 01:28:48,574
The first man, he must have thought,
1393
01:28:48,657 --> 01:28:50,117
"Oh, my God, it's the end of the world!"
1394
01:28:50,201 --> 01:28:52,828
And then all of a sudden,
there was spring,
1395
01:28:52,912 --> 01:28:54,371
and everything came alive,
and it was better!
1396
01:28:54,455 --> 01:28:57,041
I mean, after all, look at Vietnam.
1397
01:28:57,124 --> 01:28:59,251
Look at my movie.
You'll see what I'm talking.
1398
01:31:20,225 --> 01:31:21,560
The horror.
1399
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:26,940
The horror.
1400
01:31:40,579 --> 01:31:44,083
The river, sleepless,
1401
01:31:44,166 --> 01:31:47,086
crowded with memories
of men and ships,
1402
01:31:47,878 --> 01:31:51,131
hunters for gold and pursuers of fame.
1403
01:31:51,215 --> 01:31:54,677
What greatness has not flowed
on the ebb of that river
1404
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,429
into the mystery of an unknown earth?
1405
01:31:58,097 --> 01:32:02,351
The dreams of men,
the seed of commonwealths,
1406
01:32:03,268 --> 01:32:05,354
the germs of empires.
1407
01:32:07,690 --> 01:32:10,401
The river is black tonight, my friends.
1408
01:32:10,734 --> 01:32:15,531
Look, it seems to lead into the heart
1409
01:32:15,614 --> 01:32:17,616
of an immense darkness.
1410
01:32:43,517 --> 01:32:44,560
To me, the great hope
1411
01:32:44,643 --> 01:32:47,729
is that now these little eight-millimeter
video recorders
1412
01:32:47,813 --> 01:32:49,440
and stuff are coming out,
1413
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some people who normally
wouldn't make movies
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are gonna be making them.
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And, you know, suddenly, one day,
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some little fat girl in Ohio
is gonna be the new Mozart
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and make a beautiful film
with her little father's camcorder.
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And, for once, the so-called
professionalism about movies
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will be destroyed forever, you know,
and it will really become an art form.
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That's my opinion.