1 00:00:00,795 --> 00:00:02,536 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:02,597 --> 00:00:06,511 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:06,568 --> 00:00:08,377 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:08,436 --> 00:00:11,212 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,273 --> 00:00:12,911 These are their stories. 6 00:00:14,042 --> 00:00:15,851 You ain't got no J. Come on. What you want? 7 00:00:16,044 --> 00:00:17,250 Oh! I'm just warming up! 8 00:00:17,379 --> 00:00:19,017 Hey, Ms. G, check this out! 9 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:20,354 You want in? Slam dunk. 10 00:00:20,415 --> 00:00:22,759 Yeah. Hey, you want to impress me, next time you get a job, 11 00:00:22,817 --> 00:00:25,388 show up five minutes before your shift and not five minutes after. 12 00:00:25,487 --> 00:00:27,262 Their clock was fast, just like me. 13 00:00:27,322 --> 00:00:29,598 The world is fast, Robert. Sometimes you gotta run to keep up. 14 00:00:29,658 --> 00:00:30,728 (SCOFFS) 15 00:00:30,792 --> 00:00:31,964 Anyway, check this... What? 16 00:00:32,027 --> 00:00:35,201 Check this now, Jordan, Jordan goes for the three. 17 00:00:35,263 --> 00:00:36,537 He shoots. He misses! 18 00:00:36,598 --> 00:00:37,906 Come on, man. I made that! 19 00:00:37,966 --> 00:00:39,172 (sun FIRING) 20 00:00:40,068 --> 00:00:41,342 (PEOPLE EXCLAIMING) 21 00:00:49,711 --> 00:00:51,315 ROBERT: Call 911. Somebody! 22 00:00:52,447 --> 00:00:55,189 Anybody in the neighborhood have a beef with Ms. Gaylin? 23 00:00:55,383 --> 00:00:56,623 No one mess with Ms. G. 24 00:00:56,685 --> 00:00:59,666 You got a problem? She'd sit with you long as it takes. 25 00:00:59,721 --> 00:01:02,201 Like little Lee, when his mama had the swollen ankles, 26 00:01:02,357 --> 00:01:04,803 she straightened out what they needed to get the prescription, you know. 27 00:01:04,859 --> 00:01:06,861 Right. I think it was a drive-by. 28 00:01:06,928 --> 00:01:08,805 A drive-by? Why, you hear a car? 29 00:01:08,863 --> 00:01:09,898 Mmm-hmm. 30 00:01:09,964 --> 00:01:11,034 All right. Thanks. 31 00:01:11,099 --> 00:01:12,134 You didn't hear a car? 32 00:01:12,334 --> 00:01:13,540 (CHATTERING OVER POLICE RADIO) 33 00:01:13,601 --> 00:01:14,705 She walked on water. 34 00:01:14,769 --> 00:01:16,271 And nobody saw anything. 35 00:01:16,338 --> 00:01:17,544 Somebody that popular, 36 00:01:17,605 --> 00:01:19,710 maybe one of the other social workers was jealous. 37 00:01:19,774 --> 00:01:21,776 I don't know. One of the kids thought he heard a car. 38 00:01:21,843 --> 00:01:25,120 Let's tell the uni's that are doing the canvassing. 39 00:01:26,715 --> 00:01:27,921 You in charge? 40 00:01:27,982 --> 00:01:29,962 Detective Briscoe, Detective Curtis. 41 00:01:30,018 --> 00:01:33,431 Doug Gaylin, Jennifer's father. I got a call. 42 00:01:33,521 --> 00:01:34,932 What do we know so far? 43 00:01:34,989 --> 00:01:37,833 Well, so far, not too much, unfortunately. 44 00:02:29,611 --> 00:02:32,057 Jennifer worked for three years in that center. 45 00:02:33,214 --> 00:02:38,163 After graduate school, she had offers to teach at Columbia and Hunter. 46 00:02:39,554 --> 00:02:40,999 She chose Harlem. 47 00:02:41,189 --> 00:02:43,430 She ever talk about anyone who was giving her trouble? 48 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,499 You're looking for a motive? 49 00:02:48,863 --> 00:02:51,241 A white woman murdered in a black neighborhood. 50 00:02:52,467 --> 00:02:53,741 Doesn't make it a race crime. 51 00:02:53,802 --> 00:02:57,443 Come on, Detective, she wasn't robbed. They just shot her. 52 00:03:00,141 --> 00:03:02,178 I tried to protect her. 53 00:03:02,911 --> 00:03:05,323 Even set her up in one of my own buildings. 54 00:03:05,413 --> 00:03:06,892 The last time you saw your daughter? 55 00:03:06,948 --> 00:03:08,985 Last Sunday. Dinner. Her apartment. 56 00:03:09,284 --> 00:03:10,558 Just the two of you? 57 00:03:10,618 --> 00:03:13,724 She got a phone call. Took it in the other room. 58 00:03:14,556 --> 00:03:16,502 It didn't last very long. 59 00:03:17,325 --> 00:03:18,963 She came back, she was white as a sheet. 60 00:03:19,394 --> 00:03:20,668 She say what it was about? 61 00:03:25,967 --> 00:03:27,469 CURTIS: So, she organized these things, huh? 62 00:03:27,535 --> 00:03:30,209 Harlem AIDS walk, winter coat drive for the homeless. 63 00:03:30,305 --> 00:03:32,911 Lot of good causes. Every week she put up some new notices. 64 00:03:33,341 --> 00:03:34,945 Do you have a list of her clients? 65 00:03:35,009 --> 00:03:36,579 Official, yeah. But it won't help you. 66 00:03:36,644 --> 00:03:39,454 Unofficial people were in and out all the time. 67 00:03:39,514 --> 00:03:41,892 There was never a problem until three or four days ago. 68 00:03:41,950 --> 00:03:44,260 One of her favorites came in. 69 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:45,855 She didn't want to see him. 70 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,422 Randy Johnson. 71 00:03:47,488 --> 00:03:48,660 What do you mean, "one of her favorites"? 72 00:03:48,756 --> 00:03:52,363 Jennifer would walk down the hall, trailing five, six kids, a real posse. 73 00:03:52,427 --> 00:03:53,770 Pied Piper, huh? 74 00:03:53,828 --> 00:03:55,432 So what was he? The kid who got left behind? 75 00:03:55,496 --> 00:03:58,409 Jennifer helped Randy get a job with the PAL. 76 00:03:58,466 --> 00:03:59,911 Had a crush on her, I think. 77 00:04:00,268 --> 00:04:01,804 Serious? Too serious. 78 00:04:02,504 --> 00:04:05,314 He must have become a nuisance for her to avoid him like that. 79 00:04:05,373 --> 00:04:08,286 She'd make you want to do better. Make you want to please her. 80 00:04:08,409 --> 00:04:09,888 Maybe you tried too hard. 81 00:04:09,978 --> 00:04:11,958 We heard she didn't want to talk to you down at the center. 82 00:04:12,013 --> 00:04:13,583 You tried to call her. 83 00:04:13,648 --> 00:04:14,786 Who says? 84 00:04:14,849 --> 00:04:17,591 People said she was trying to avoid you. 85 00:04:17,685 --> 00:04:20,723 The afternoon she was killed, you want to tell us where you were? 86 00:04:20,788 --> 00:04:22,893 Hey, man, I was just trying to help her. 87 00:04:23,925 --> 00:04:25,495 What was she doing, Randy? 88 00:04:26,794 --> 00:04:27,966 (SIGHS) 89 00:04:28,563 --> 00:04:30,236 Two weeks ago, Saturday night, 90 00:04:30,298 --> 00:04:32,539 I was up on Dyckman, hanging out, 91 00:04:33,334 --> 00:04:36,144 then this car pulls up. It's a white Audi. 92 00:04:37,138 --> 00:04:38,583 I didn't see the guy driving, 93 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,484 but the passenger door opens up and out comes Ms. G. 94 00:04:41,543 --> 00:04:42,613 What was she doing up there? 95 00:04:42,744 --> 00:04:45,918 What're any white folks doing up there? Copping drugs. 96 00:04:46,214 --> 00:04:47,284 You sure? Codeine. 97 00:04:48,850 --> 00:04:52,855 A lot of kids using it for a party drug, a sex drug, what I mean. 98 00:04:54,389 --> 00:04:57,302 You know, people ain't just one thing. 99 00:04:59,494 --> 00:05:01,030 It's all there in the tox report. 100 00:05:01,162 --> 00:05:02,835 I spend my day in a crisis center, 101 00:05:02,897 --> 00:05:05,309 I might need some medication, too. 102 00:05:05,366 --> 00:05:06,367 Codeine. 103 00:05:06,434 --> 00:05:08,436 Mixed with acetaminophen, prescription. 104 00:05:08,503 --> 00:05:10,881 Well, at least you don't wake up with a headache. 105 00:05:10,939 --> 00:05:13,545 Liver damage. Especially if you drink. 106 00:05:13,608 --> 00:05:15,281 Yeah, given the state of her liver, 107 00:05:15,343 --> 00:05:17,448 she must have been gobbling them down like cashews. 108 00:05:17,512 --> 00:05:18,957 Sex drug, huh? 109 00:05:19,013 --> 00:05:20,890 Second gunshot was to her crotch. 110 00:05:21,015 --> 00:05:23,427 You located her playmate? The guy driving the Audi? 111 00:05:23,484 --> 00:05:24,827 We searched her place. 112 00:05:24,886 --> 00:05:27,366 And went through her address book. So far, no luck. 113 00:05:27,422 --> 00:05:29,834 Any other evidence the girl liked to party? 114 00:05:29,924 --> 00:05:33,030 Well, judging by what we found in her apartment, 115 00:05:33,795 --> 00:05:36,105 reading Vogue was about as racy as she got. 116 00:05:36,164 --> 00:05:38,667 Maybe that's what someone wants you to think. 117 00:05:38,733 --> 00:05:40,940 Her father owns the building? 118 00:05:41,436 --> 00:05:43,643 He'd have a key, wouldn't he? 119 00:05:44,372 --> 00:05:46,852 What time did Mr. Gaylin get the news about his daughter? 120 00:05:46,908 --> 00:05:48,012 12:30, a little after. 121 00:05:48,076 --> 00:05:49,111 And where was he? 122 00:05:49,177 --> 00:05:50,781 His office, on 56th. 123 00:05:50,845 --> 00:05:52,722 How long you think it usually takes to get from midtown 124 00:05:52,780 --> 00:05:54,088 to the center that time of day? 125 00:05:54,148 --> 00:05:55,559 About half hour? 126 00:05:55,617 --> 00:05:56,960 Something like that. 127 00:05:57,018 --> 00:06:00,022 You didn't get to the center until 2:30. What took you so long? 128 00:06:00,088 --> 00:06:01,726 I'll let Mr. Gaylin know you're here. 129 00:06:01,789 --> 00:06:04,463 Your job, Mr. Gaylin pay you enough? 130 00:06:04,525 --> 00:06:05,560 Enough for what? 131 00:06:05,627 --> 00:06:08,733 Enough to go to jail for obstruction of justice? 132 00:06:09,631 --> 00:06:10,871 We made a stop first. 133 00:06:10,932 --> 00:06:12,570 His daughter's place? 134 00:06:12,967 --> 00:06:14,469 He come out carrying anything? 135 00:06:14,535 --> 00:06:15,980 A duffel bag. 136 00:06:17,238 --> 00:06:21,448 I took a few things. Silver baby cup, some of her poems. 137 00:06:21,509 --> 00:06:22,544 CURTIS: You mind if we take a look? 138 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:24,021 Nothing important. 139 00:06:24,078 --> 00:06:27,924 BRISCOE: Then you won't have any objection to our going through it all? 140 00:06:28,650 --> 00:06:30,425 People misinterpret things. 141 00:06:30,485 --> 00:06:33,091 Like we might misinterpret your reluctance. 142 00:06:33,187 --> 00:06:36,066 People will forget all the good she did and just remember the scandal. 143 00:06:36,124 --> 00:06:38,695 And if her murder had something to do with drugs... 144 00:06:43,064 --> 00:06:46,045 When I first heard Jennie had been murdered, 145 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:49,479 I thought I'd do anything to find out who killed her. 146 00:06:51,806 --> 00:06:55,185 After I cleaned out her apartment, 147 00:06:55,243 --> 00:06:57,780 I'm not so sure I want to know who. 148 00:06:59,313 --> 00:07:00,519 Or why. 149 00:07:03,051 --> 00:07:05,895 CURTIS: Codeine, percocet, dilaudid. 150 00:07:05,953 --> 00:07:09,457 BRISCOE: She should've been a chemist instead of a social worker. 151 00:07:09,524 --> 00:07:10,798 Or a cop. 152 00:07:11,659 --> 00:07:13,605 Sex toys from A to Z. 153 00:07:13,661 --> 00:07:15,402 Everything you can't imagine. 154 00:07:15,496 --> 00:07:17,635 They're all wearing masks. 155 00:07:17,699 --> 00:07:19,508 You find out your daughter's been murdered, 156 00:07:19,567 --> 00:07:21,103 you go to her apartment... 157 00:07:21,169 --> 00:07:22,614 Which means you know something. 158 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:24,343 Or suspect something. 159 00:07:24,405 --> 00:07:27,716 And while you're looking around, you find this stuff. 160 00:07:27,775 --> 00:07:29,755 When you think of your daughter, you think of her, what? 161 00:07:29,844 --> 00:07:31,846 Six years old on a swing? 162 00:07:32,547 --> 00:07:37,223 The Pleasure Quest. Fantasies and role-playing, Lafayette and... 163 00:07:37,285 --> 00:07:38,992 Great Jones Street. 164 00:07:40,722 --> 00:07:43,601 I've never been there. I swear on a stack. 165 00:07:43,658 --> 00:07:44,659 (CHUCKLES) 166 00:07:45,193 --> 00:07:48,640 Everything we do is legal. Closer to theater than to prostitution. 167 00:07:48,696 --> 00:07:52,269 Oh, somehow I don't think people come here when Cats is sold out. 168 00:07:52,333 --> 00:07:54,973 Before you condemn what we do, maybe you should try it out. 169 00:07:55,036 --> 00:07:57,277 I see enough degradation on the job. 170 00:07:57,338 --> 00:07:59,511 Okay, about Jennifer Gaylin? 171 00:08:00,675 --> 00:08:03,053 I learned her real name when I saw her picture in the papers. 172 00:08:03,144 --> 00:08:04,646 She come here often? 173 00:08:04,712 --> 00:08:08,524 She wasn't hardcore, but she wasn't a tourist either. 174 00:08:08,583 --> 00:08:09,857 A weekend player. 175 00:08:09,917 --> 00:08:11,692 She come here alone? 176 00:08:12,220 --> 00:08:14,826 I'm not a social worker or a priest, Detective, 177 00:08:14,889 --> 00:08:16,596 but I do have a confidential relationship 178 00:08:16,657 --> 00:08:18,295 with the people who come here. 179 00:08:18,359 --> 00:08:19,360 Otherwise... 180 00:08:19,427 --> 00:08:21,338 Otherwise, it could be a little embarrassing. 181 00:08:21,395 --> 00:08:22,897 We come around here at playtime 182 00:08:22,964 --> 00:08:25,808 and start questioning your clients about Jennifer's death. 183 00:08:25,867 --> 00:08:27,505 And what makes you think what happened to her 184 00:08:27,568 --> 00:08:29,946 had anything to do with her harmless hobby? 185 00:08:30,004 --> 00:08:32,314 What makes you think it didn't? 186 00:08:33,174 --> 00:08:36,087 She used to come in with her partner, that newscaster, 187 00:08:36,144 --> 00:08:39,523 what's his name, uh, Stu Steiner. 188 00:08:40,281 --> 00:08:43,592 He wanted to get into a threesome. She wasn't interested. 189 00:08:43,651 --> 00:08:46,996 That guy got a little out of control. We had to throw him out. 190 00:08:47,054 --> 00:08:48,965 We don't like violence. 191 00:08:49,023 --> 00:08:50,024 (SCOFFS) 192 00:08:53,294 --> 00:08:55,968 Steiner doesn't show up on TV, 193 00:08:56,030 --> 00:08:58,840 that's how I figure he's sick or out of town. 194 00:08:58,900 --> 00:09:00,243 You don't see him around the building? 195 00:09:00,301 --> 00:09:02,747 Maybe 6:00, 6:30 in the morning, he drives up. 196 00:09:02,870 --> 00:09:04,872 In a white Audi? Yeah. 197 00:09:04,939 --> 00:09:07,749 He's going to bed when I'm hosing down the sidewalk. 198 00:09:07,809 --> 00:09:08,879 So when's the last time you saw him? 199 00:09:08,943 --> 00:09:11,116 Here? A week ago, maybe two. 200 00:09:11,179 --> 00:09:13,159 On the evening news? Three days ago. 201 00:09:13,214 --> 00:09:14,215 You ever see him with her? 202 00:09:14,282 --> 00:09:15,283 Now and then. 203 00:09:15,349 --> 00:09:16,987 Wanna open it up? 204 00:09:22,557 --> 00:09:23,729 You smoke cigars? 205 00:09:23,791 --> 00:09:24,895 Yeah. 206 00:09:24,959 --> 00:09:26,302 Light one. 207 00:09:42,944 --> 00:09:44,389 Always wear clean underwear, 208 00:09:44,445 --> 00:09:47,085 you never know when you might be in an accident. 209 00:09:49,183 --> 00:09:53,495 Here it is. Three days ago. Last time anybody came to see him. 210 00:09:53,554 --> 00:09:57,229 What's that say? Jane Wilson? Wilton? 211 00:09:57,291 --> 00:09:59,464 You remember what she looked like? 212 00:09:59,527 --> 00:10:02,906 She was tall. Dark hair. Blue dress. 213 00:10:02,964 --> 00:10:05,570 Well, maybe it was a blue dress. I wasn't paying attention. 214 00:10:05,633 --> 00:10:07,806 In 4:15, out 4:45. 215 00:10:07,869 --> 00:10:10,713 Hey, whatever they were doing, they didn't waste any time on foreplay. 216 00:10:10,771 --> 00:10:13,377 Guess what we found in Stu's cupboard? 217 00:10:13,441 --> 00:10:15,421 I bet it isn't Jurassic Park. 218 00:10:15,476 --> 00:10:17,513 CURTIS: The one in high heels, that's Jennifer Gaylin. 219 00:10:17,578 --> 00:10:19,785 VAN BUREN: A social worker with the emphasis on "social." 220 00:10:19,847 --> 00:10:22,020 The other woman could be the brunette the doorman saw. 221 00:10:22,083 --> 00:10:23,118 Mmm-hmm. 222 00:10:23,184 --> 00:10:26,495 I guess the one in the middle is Steiner. 223 00:10:26,554 --> 00:10:27,931 Be nice to find her. 224 00:10:27,989 --> 00:10:29,969 It's not Gaylin's place or Steiner's. 225 00:10:30,024 --> 00:10:32,197 That sign outside the window... 226 00:10:32,260 --> 00:10:33,671 Chelsea Piers. 227 00:10:35,029 --> 00:10:38,033 Find someone who remembers their trigonometry. 228 00:10:41,235 --> 00:10:43,374 FULLER: We needed two reference points visible through the window. 229 00:10:43,437 --> 00:10:46,145 We used the upper northeast corner of the sign 230 00:10:46,207 --> 00:10:48,278 and the top of this driving range post. 231 00:10:48,342 --> 00:10:52,313 We project our line in this direction and we get a plan view. 232 00:10:52,380 --> 00:10:54,621 And that would narrow it down to about, what? 233 00:10:54,682 --> 00:10:55,786 20 buildings. 234 00:10:55,850 --> 00:10:57,420 Then you did a section view, right? 235 00:10:57,485 --> 00:11:02,798 The sign is 63 feet off the ground, the post is 96. 236 00:11:02,857 --> 00:11:04,768 You're obviously seeing them through the window 237 00:11:04,825 --> 00:11:06,771 from a slightly lower elevation, 238 00:11:06,827 --> 00:11:08,204 so it's gotta be this building here. 239 00:11:08,262 --> 00:11:11,402 So you're hitting at about 40 or 50 feet off the sidewalk, then. 240 00:11:11,465 --> 00:11:15,174 It's real easy to be off a story or two, but I'd say, yeah. 241 00:11:15,236 --> 00:11:17,079 You're talking about the fourth or fifth floor. 242 00:11:18,205 --> 00:11:19,946 How'd you know that? 243 00:11:20,875 --> 00:11:22,047 (PEOPLE CHATTERING) 244 00:11:22,109 --> 00:11:23,713 Oh! Sorry, it must be a mistake. 245 00:11:23,778 --> 00:11:26,224 Oh! You must be looking for my daughter, Debbie. 246 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,624 She's throwing me a birthday party. 247 00:11:28,683 --> 00:11:29,991 Can I help you? 248 00:11:30,051 --> 00:11:33,658 (CLEARING THROAT) Yeah, we'd like to ask you a few questions 249 00:11:33,721 --> 00:11:36,031 about Jennifer Gaylin and Stu Steiner. 250 00:11:36,090 --> 00:11:37,569 Who? 251 00:11:37,625 --> 00:11:40,105 We brought along a party tape. 252 00:11:40,161 --> 00:11:43,574 Maybe your mother's friends would like to look at it. 253 00:11:43,631 --> 00:11:45,508 We can't talk in here. 254 00:11:46,667 --> 00:11:49,307 I knew them from around the scene, not very well. 255 00:11:49,370 --> 00:11:52,214 If this is what you do with strangers, what do you do with friends? 256 00:11:52,273 --> 00:11:53,718 Everyone has a hobby. 257 00:11:53,774 --> 00:11:55,253 How did you meet Jennifer and Steiner? 258 00:11:55,309 --> 00:11:57,755 Mutual friends. I partied with them twice. 259 00:11:57,812 --> 00:11:59,223 And the main feature? 260 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,157 That was the first time. We didn't tape the second. 261 00:12:01,215 --> 00:12:02,717 What, you got shy all of a sudden? 262 00:12:02,783 --> 00:12:04,228 Just more of the same. 263 00:12:04,285 --> 00:12:06,026 We saw you getting some pretty rough treatment 264 00:12:06,087 --> 00:12:07,589 from two people who ended up dead. 265 00:12:07,655 --> 00:12:09,430 I didn't have anything to do with that. 266 00:12:09,490 --> 00:12:13,370 A witness saw a tall brunette at Steiner's place the day of the murder. 267 00:12:13,427 --> 00:12:15,771 I wasn't even in town last week. 268 00:12:15,830 --> 00:12:18,367 Anyway, I never saw them again after the second time. 269 00:12:18,432 --> 00:12:19,968 I wasn't a success with them. 270 00:12:20,034 --> 00:12:21,138 Could've fooled us. 271 00:12:22,503 --> 00:12:24,779 Stu was going through the motions. 272 00:12:24,839 --> 00:12:27,046 His real passion was other men. 273 00:12:29,477 --> 00:12:32,617 Van Buren called Quantico to check for leads through ViCAP. 274 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:35,251 Now, they had three other cases with similar enough MOs. 275 00:12:35,316 --> 00:12:38,593 Same caliber gun, knife and torture before killing, 276 00:12:38,652 --> 00:12:40,359 mutilation of genitals. 277 00:12:40,421 --> 00:12:43,732 All the victims were active in the alternative lifestyle scene. 278 00:12:43,791 --> 00:12:46,601 San Francisco, Aspen, Chicago. 279 00:12:46,660 --> 00:12:47,866 Worked his way east. 280 00:12:47,928 --> 00:12:50,408 Yeah, maybe he was coming back home. 281 00:12:52,366 --> 00:12:57,008 He kills men, kills women, prefers a knife, although a gun will do in a pinch. 282 00:12:57,071 --> 00:12:58,880 No signs of forced entry. 283 00:12:58,939 --> 00:13:01,476 In a couple of places, Chicago, San Francisco, 284 00:13:01,542 --> 00:13:03,112 he really made himself at home, 285 00:13:03,177 --> 00:13:06,317 ate a sandwich, drank a diet soda before splitting. 286 00:13:06,380 --> 00:13:09,384 Picked up any cash that was laying around, left the credit cards. 287 00:13:09,450 --> 00:13:11,225 Pacific Heights, Beekman Place, 288 00:13:11,285 --> 00:13:12,992 East Belleview, fancy addresses. 289 00:13:13,054 --> 00:13:15,762 Yeah. Jennifer's wasn't too shabby, either. 290 00:13:15,823 --> 00:13:19,703 So all our victims are Caucasian, rich and unmarried. 291 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,140 Yeah. And educated. Kinderly graduated Dartmouth in '88. 292 00:13:24,198 --> 00:13:26,610 Dorsett, University of Pennsylvania, '86. 293 00:13:26,667 --> 00:13:28,669 Jennifer Gaylin, Smith, also '88. 294 00:13:28,736 --> 00:13:29,976 Ivy League. 295 00:13:30,037 --> 00:13:33,314 Yeah, so when they called out in pain, they had the right accents. 296 00:13:33,407 --> 00:13:35,887 So let's assume our killer travels in the same circles. 297 00:13:35,943 --> 00:13:38,549 Where's Jennifer's address book? It's here. 298 00:13:38,612 --> 00:13:40,717 And Steiner's. 299 00:13:40,781 --> 00:13:41,885 What do you got? 300 00:13:41,949 --> 00:13:43,360 Abrams? Nope. 301 00:13:43,417 --> 00:13:46,694 This one starts with "artist," Spencer Lee. 302 00:13:46,754 --> 00:13:49,325 Call San Francisco, Aspen, Chicago. 303 00:13:49,390 --> 00:13:52,599 Ask them to fax us any address books they got off the victims. 304 00:13:52,660 --> 00:13:55,402 We get a match, maybe we get our killer. 305 00:13:57,465 --> 00:14:01,072 I just got a call from the captain handling the case in Chicago. 306 00:14:01,135 --> 00:14:03,741 He wants to know what we got, if we're holding out on him. 307 00:14:03,804 --> 00:14:07,479 Well, we got the same phone number in three different address books. 308 00:14:07,541 --> 00:14:12,217 Chuck T. in Kinderly's, San Francisco, Eddie in Densch's, Aspen, 309 00:14:12,279 --> 00:14:14,088 and Charles in Steiner's. 310 00:14:14,148 --> 00:14:19,222 Yep. And the number belongs to Charles Thatcher, 353 West Broadway. 311 00:14:37,037 --> 00:14:38,345 (CLATTERING) 312 00:14:57,191 --> 00:14:58,898 Don't shoot, don't kill me, please! 313 00:14:58,959 --> 00:15:01,337 CURTIS: No one's gonna kill you. Come on. Step out of there. Let's go. 314 00:15:01,395 --> 00:15:02,499 Stand up. 315 00:15:02,563 --> 00:15:03,871 You got a permit for this putter? 316 00:15:03,931 --> 00:15:05,308 I thought you were somebody else. 317 00:15:05,366 --> 00:15:06,674 CURTIS: Take a seat. 318 00:15:06,734 --> 00:15:09,340 What, somebody who knew Stu Steiner and Jennifer Gaylin? 319 00:15:11,272 --> 00:15:12,444 I thought I was next. 320 00:15:12,506 --> 00:15:13,610 CURTIS: What do you mean, "next"? 321 00:15:14,575 --> 00:15:18,250 When I read the papers, I knew it had to be Eddie Chandler. 322 00:15:18,812 --> 00:15:22,419 Who else? I knew Kinderly. I knew Densch. 323 00:15:22,483 --> 00:15:23,791 I knew Eddie knew them. 324 00:15:23,851 --> 00:15:25,524 What made you think he was coming after you? 325 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,990 He called me. He, um, said he wanted money. 326 00:15:31,125 --> 00:15:35,198 He said he'd call back today. I was scared to death. 327 00:15:35,262 --> 00:15:36,764 Why didn't you call the police? 328 00:15:36,831 --> 00:15:37,969 You gotta be kidding. 329 00:15:38,032 --> 00:15:42,708 And everybody at work see my face in a story about kinky sex murders? No. 330 00:15:42,770 --> 00:15:44,249 It's better than seeing your dead body. 331 00:15:48,642 --> 00:15:50,918 Okay, if Eddie shows up, give us a call. 332 00:15:52,646 --> 00:15:55,650 Don't go, please. 333 00:15:55,716 --> 00:15:57,525 What do you need? 334 00:15:57,585 --> 00:16:00,225 I knew Eddie when he first came to New York, 335 00:16:00,287 --> 00:16:03,166 before he got into the whole S&M crowd. I took care of him. 336 00:16:03,223 --> 00:16:06,363 If you felt like your life was in danger, why didn't you just leave town? 337 00:16:06,427 --> 00:16:10,375 I walk out the door, maybe he's across the street, watching? 338 00:16:10,431 --> 00:16:11,569 He follows me. 339 00:16:11,632 --> 00:16:15,978 I go to Aspen, he kills me in Aspen. I lose him, he finds me. 340 00:16:16,036 --> 00:16:18,539 You could go to Omaha. 341 00:16:18,606 --> 00:16:20,984 Are you nuts? Who goes to Omaha? 342 00:16:21,041 --> 00:16:22,179 (PHONE RINGING) 343 00:16:28,082 --> 00:16:31,529 Hello? Yeah. Eddie, where you been? 344 00:16:32,853 --> 00:16:34,560 Um... Yeah. Yeah, I got it. 345 00:16:36,724 --> 00:16:38,397 Sure. Yeah. Come on up. 346 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,067 He's on the corner. 347 00:16:41,128 --> 00:16:43,870 He's coming up from the pay phone on the corner. 348 00:16:43,931 --> 00:16:45,672 MAN ON RADIO: I see a white male going into the lobby. 349 00:16:45,733 --> 00:16:46,837 Does he have a key? 350 00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:49,608 (STUTTERING) No... I don't know. 351 00:16:50,004 --> 00:16:51,210 (INTERCOM RINGING) 352 00:16:53,774 --> 00:16:55,310 Yeah? 353 00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:58,290 Uh, sure, sure. Send him up. 354 00:17:00,114 --> 00:17:01,252 (ELEVATOR DINGS) 355 00:17:02,850 --> 00:17:05,626 He didn't come up! Secure the front! I'm going out the back. 356 00:17:05,719 --> 00:17:06,993 MAN OVER RADIO: Ten-four. 357 00:17:14,928 --> 00:17:16,669 Police! Freeze! Right there! CURTIS: Edward Chandler? 358 00:17:16,730 --> 00:17:18,334 What do you want? What happened? 359 00:17:18,399 --> 00:17:19,571 Put your hands on the rail. 360 00:17:19,633 --> 00:17:20,771 Spread your legs. 361 00:17:20,834 --> 00:17:22,939 What's going on? I wasn't doing anything. 362 00:17:23,003 --> 00:17:25,711 Yeah? What's this? .38 Special. 363 00:17:25,773 --> 00:17:27,150 Suspect... What's that? 364 00:17:27,207 --> 00:17:30,279 You're under arrest for the murders of Jennifer Gaylin and Stu Steiner. 365 00:17:30,344 --> 00:17:32,017 You have the right to remain silent. 366 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:34,457 Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. 367 00:17:37,418 --> 00:17:41,025 I don't know why Charlie felt threatened. What did he say? 368 00:17:41,088 --> 00:17:42,590 He was afraid. 369 00:17:43,324 --> 00:17:44,701 Oh. 370 00:17:45,025 --> 00:17:48,063 (LAUGHS) You know, Charlie always had a sort of lurid imagination. 371 00:17:48,128 --> 00:17:50,005 You're sure you want to get into this? 372 00:17:50,064 --> 00:17:51,099 Once we were coming out of the movies, 373 00:17:51,165 --> 00:17:53,907 and there must have been a robbery across the street or something, a mugging, 374 00:17:53,968 --> 00:17:58,883 and he literally dragged me across the street to see what was going on. 375 00:17:58,939 --> 00:18:02,477 But you deal mostly in murders, don't you, Detective? 376 00:18:02,543 --> 00:18:04,454 Two in particular, right now. 377 00:18:04,511 --> 00:18:06,991 Right, um, Jennifer and Stu. 378 00:18:07,047 --> 00:18:09,459 You don't have to talk to them. 379 00:18:09,516 --> 00:18:10,927 I know. 380 00:18:10,985 --> 00:18:15,627 Detective Curtis, is it? Read me my rights. 381 00:18:17,191 --> 00:18:20,934 You have a wonderful voice, Detective, but you know that, don't you? 382 00:18:21,028 --> 00:18:22,405 I'm glad you like it. 383 00:18:22,463 --> 00:18:24,602 Have you ever killed a man or woman? 384 00:18:24,698 --> 00:18:25,699 ROSS: Mr. Chandler. 385 00:18:25,766 --> 00:18:27,939 Eddie, like Eddie Munster. 386 00:18:28,001 --> 00:18:30,242 You don't seem to be taking this very seriously. 387 00:18:32,773 --> 00:18:36,949 No, I'd like to get this straightened out. 388 00:18:37,011 --> 00:18:39,287 Believe me, I know it's a serious offense, 389 00:18:39,346 --> 00:18:42,418 carrying an unlicensed gun in this town. 390 00:18:42,483 --> 00:18:43,484 (CHUCKLES) 391 00:18:44,184 --> 00:18:47,097 Guess that's why I panicked when I saw Detective Curtis coming after me. 392 00:18:47,154 --> 00:18:49,964 You think that's why you were arrested? For unlicensed possession? 393 00:18:50,858 --> 00:18:52,599 I'd have gotten myself arrested a lot sooner 394 00:18:52,660 --> 00:18:55,504 if I'd known there were D.A.'s who look like you, Ms. Ross. 395 00:18:57,865 --> 00:19:00,038 Remington .38 Special's from Jennifer. 396 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:02,410 Western .38 Special's from Stu. 397 00:19:02,469 --> 00:19:05,814 All the slugs had five lands and grooves with a right twist. 398 00:19:05,873 --> 00:19:09,411 Same gun. Must have smacked Steiner in the head, too. 399 00:19:09,476 --> 00:19:12,787 We got his blood and hair samples on the gun barrel. 400 00:19:15,182 --> 00:19:18,527 Detective Briscoe, your partner is being very cruel to me. 401 00:19:18,585 --> 00:19:20,895 The last time someone had me in cuffs, they were a lot nicer. 402 00:19:21,989 --> 00:19:24,060 Where did you get the gun, Mr. Chandler? 403 00:19:25,526 --> 00:19:27,699 She sounds so serious. 404 00:19:27,761 --> 00:19:29,741 A friend gave it to me. 405 00:19:30,631 --> 00:19:34,044 So I could protect myself when I brought new playmates home. 406 00:19:34,101 --> 00:19:35,102 When I had a home. 407 00:19:35,402 --> 00:19:36,403 And when was that? 408 00:19:36,570 --> 00:19:40,484 Uh... Well, it was before I left New York the last time, I know that. 409 00:19:40,541 --> 00:19:41,781 And you've had it since then? 410 00:19:43,911 --> 00:19:46,687 The bullets that killed both Jennifer Gaylin and Stu Steiner 411 00:19:46,747 --> 00:19:48,749 came from your gun. 412 00:19:49,249 --> 00:19:51,058 Go get him arraigned. 413 00:19:53,420 --> 00:19:55,195 It's kind of amazing, Chandler's compulsion 414 00:19:55,255 --> 00:19:56,962 to come on to everyone in the room. 415 00:19:57,024 --> 00:19:59,231 A kind of pathological charm. 416 00:20:00,094 --> 00:20:01,869 Anything a jury might respond to? 417 00:20:01,929 --> 00:20:03,636 (SIGHS) I don't think so. 418 00:20:03,697 --> 00:20:06,507 I'd be happier if we could place him at either scene. 419 00:20:06,567 --> 00:20:10,379 Wasn't there a brunette at Steiner's apartment? 420 00:20:10,437 --> 00:20:12,246 Yeah, and a witness saw a brunette driving away 421 00:20:12,306 --> 00:20:15,344 from the community center where Gaylin worked. 422 00:20:15,409 --> 00:20:16,444 WOMAN: Mr. McCoy? 423 00:20:16,510 --> 00:20:18,251 So, Chandler has an accomplice? 424 00:20:18,312 --> 00:20:20,519 Or he likes to play dress-up. 425 00:20:22,449 --> 00:20:24,588 Greenwald filed a motion to suppress the gun. 426 00:20:24,918 --> 00:20:26,022 (SCOFFS) 427 00:20:29,490 --> 00:20:33,461 GREENWALD: My client was chased by the police and apprehended 428 00:20:33,527 --> 00:20:36,235 because he was running through the streets. 429 00:20:36,296 --> 00:20:39,766 Running can't justify stopping an alleged suspect. 430 00:20:39,833 --> 00:20:41,506 People v. Sierra. 431 00:20:41,568 --> 00:20:42,706 JUDGE SAMUEL: Sierra? 432 00:20:42,769 --> 00:20:46,012 Don't you mean People v. Martinez, Mr. Greenwald? 433 00:20:46,073 --> 00:20:50,886 Sierra, Martinez. After 40 years, they all start to sound alike. 434 00:20:50,944 --> 00:20:54,824 Your Honor, the officers were not acting solely in response to the running. 435 00:20:54,882 --> 00:20:56,691 They stopped Mr. Chandler because they believed 436 00:20:56,750 --> 00:20:58,491 someone matching his description 437 00:20:58,552 --> 00:21:00,998 was involved in a criminal activity, People v. Reid. 438 00:21:01,054 --> 00:21:04,524 What exactly was the basis for this belief, Mr. McCoy? 439 00:21:04,591 --> 00:21:08,437 He showed up at the apartment of a former acquaintance, Mr. Thatcher, 440 00:21:08,495 --> 00:21:09,974 in an effort to extort money from him. 441 00:21:10,030 --> 00:21:12,840 To borrow money from an old friend. 442 00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:16,507 An old friend who felt it necessary to arm himself with a golf club. 443 00:21:16,637 --> 00:21:21,108 So the guy's paranoid. So what else is new in this farkakte town? 444 00:21:21,175 --> 00:21:24,349 JUDGE SAMUEL: Mr. McCoy, if we had the police taking off 445 00:21:24,411 --> 00:21:27,688 after every suspicious-looking runner in this city, 446 00:21:28,582 --> 00:21:30,493 we'd all be in trouble. 447 00:21:32,653 --> 00:21:35,293 Motion granted. The gun is suppressed. 448 00:21:36,623 --> 00:21:38,569 No weapon, no opportunity. 449 00:21:38,625 --> 00:21:41,834 There's got to be something else to tie this guy to the murders. 450 00:21:41,895 --> 00:21:44,842 Where's Chandler been living since he blew back into town? 451 00:21:44,898 --> 00:21:46,878 He might've been staying with a friend. 452 00:21:46,934 --> 00:21:49,346 Assuming he still has any. Alive. 453 00:21:51,939 --> 00:21:53,475 (LAUGHING) Where's Eddie been staying? 454 00:21:54,141 --> 00:21:57,247 The time was, that would have been an easy one. 455 00:21:57,311 --> 00:22:00,622 In bed with whoever was the most eligible that week. 456 00:22:00,681 --> 00:22:03,525 Years ago, when he first came to New York, 457 00:22:04,485 --> 00:22:08,228 he was like this corn-fed Adonis, to die for. 458 00:22:08,288 --> 00:22:09,528 He had this wonderful innocence. 459 00:22:10,424 --> 00:22:13,803 He thought people were being nice to him because they really loved him. 460 00:22:13,861 --> 00:22:15,363 But you did? 461 00:22:15,629 --> 00:22:16,664 (CHUCKLES) 462 00:22:16,730 --> 00:22:20,371 Yeah. Nice clothes, fancy meals, expensive vacations. 463 00:22:21,235 --> 00:22:24,614 Eddie never realized that everything had a price tag, even him. 464 00:22:24,671 --> 00:22:25,911 Especially him. 465 00:22:25,973 --> 00:22:27,213 How did you two break up? 466 00:22:27,274 --> 00:22:30,414 I wasn't rich enough. Nowhere near. 467 00:22:30,477 --> 00:22:32,252 But he'd still come by? 468 00:22:32,312 --> 00:22:34,314 Uh, up until about two years ago. 469 00:22:34,381 --> 00:22:37,123 He'd get lonely. He'd come over. 470 00:22:37,184 --> 00:22:41,360 We would microwave some popcorn, and watch TV for hours. 471 00:22:42,456 --> 00:22:44,436 And then he would just leave. 472 00:22:44,491 --> 00:22:48,769 No kiss, no goodbye, just pick up his jacket and wander off. 473 00:22:48,829 --> 00:22:49,830 For? 474 00:22:49,897 --> 00:22:52,878 A house in East Hampton. I drove him there once. 475 00:22:52,933 --> 00:22:54,344 Do you have a name? 476 00:22:54,401 --> 00:22:59,544 It was a big cape behind a picket fence on Lily Pond Lane, I think. 477 00:22:59,606 --> 00:23:02,109 It was painted this God-awful blue. 478 00:23:02,976 --> 00:23:05,286 God, Eddie's let himself go. 479 00:23:05,345 --> 00:23:08,451 When you two were together, did you know about his past? 480 00:23:08,515 --> 00:23:09,550 His boyfriends? 481 00:23:10,183 --> 00:23:11,321 (LAUGHS) 482 00:23:11,385 --> 00:23:13,331 Like Eddie, I'm not fussy about beauty. 483 00:23:14,321 --> 00:23:16,767 Eddie was drop-dead gorgeous, but hardly naive. 484 00:23:16,823 --> 00:23:21,465 By the time I got him, he was like a waiter in a really good restaurant, 485 00:23:21,528 --> 00:23:23,940 helping you choose from the menu. 486 00:23:24,297 --> 00:23:27,141 But he always let you know the price, in advance. 487 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,679 And you could afford him? 488 00:23:30,937 --> 00:23:34,680 You know, I was the one that first introduced Steiner to Eddie. 489 00:23:34,741 --> 00:23:37,688 At my summer place. The blue house on Lily Pond Lane. 490 00:23:37,778 --> 00:23:38,813 I could give you the number. 491 00:23:39,446 --> 00:23:40,618 I like the mountains. 492 00:23:40,681 --> 00:23:43,457 You should try the ocean for a change. It's wetter. 493 00:23:44,751 --> 00:23:46,526 How did you and Eddie end? 494 00:23:48,055 --> 00:23:50,501 He started losing some of that amazing beauty. 495 00:23:50,557 --> 00:23:53,197 Why stick with a nine, when you can afford a 10? 496 00:23:53,260 --> 00:23:54,898 Then he dropped completely out of sight. 497 00:23:54,961 --> 00:23:55,962 You never heard from him? 498 00:23:56,029 --> 00:23:58,737 Actually, I did receive a couple of notes from him recently. 499 00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:01,678 Written on, of all things, history department stationary, 500 00:24:01,735 --> 00:24:03,408 Hudson University. 501 00:24:04,671 --> 00:24:07,015 I don't suppose he joined the faculty, do you? 502 00:24:10,110 --> 00:24:11,316 STEVENSON: I don't think I can help you. 503 00:24:11,378 --> 00:24:12,652 Off the record? 504 00:24:12,713 --> 00:24:14,715 I have two grown children and an ex-wife. 505 00:24:14,815 --> 00:24:16,817 She won't know we talked. 506 00:24:18,185 --> 00:24:19,425 Off the record. 507 00:24:25,225 --> 00:24:30,641 I first met Eddie about, oh, let me think... 508 00:24:33,367 --> 00:24:35,472 I guess it must be three months ago now. 509 00:24:36,436 --> 00:24:41,909 He was intelligent, charming, lonely. 510 00:24:42,142 --> 00:24:43,519 And you enjoyed his company? 511 00:24:43,577 --> 00:24:44,681 Except when he drank. 512 00:24:44,745 --> 00:24:46,952 Then all that charm curdled. 513 00:24:47,481 --> 00:24:53,454 Eddie would rage at the people who had "discarded" him, is the word he used. 514 00:24:53,553 --> 00:24:55,430 How long did he stay, Mr. Stevenson? 515 00:24:55,489 --> 00:24:58,561 Three days, then he'd disappear for four or five, 516 00:24:58,992 --> 00:25:01,165 come back for a night, then vanish again. 517 00:25:02,596 --> 00:25:06,203 I had a pair of diamond cuff links, belonged to my father. 518 00:25:06,266 --> 00:25:08,303 I assumed Eddie stole them. 519 00:25:09,603 --> 00:25:12,709 I can see him as a thief, but as a killer, no. 520 00:25:14,975 --> 00:25:16,955 I guess I might have been next on his list. 521 00:25:17,544 --> 00:25:18,784 Do you have any idea where he'd go? 522 00:25:19,346 --> 00:25:22,088 Uh, he said he stayed with some friends in Westchester. 523 00:25:22,816 --> 00:25:24,591 I let him use my car. 524 00:25:25,218 --> 00:25:26,856 Otherwise it just sits in the garage. 525 00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:28,961 Is it there now? 526 00:25:29,022 --> 00:25:30,729 Oh, I haven't been down there in weeks. 527 00:25:31,958 --> 00:25:32,959 STEVENSON: What a mess. 528 00:25:33,026 --> 00:25:35,506 Looks like he just camped out down here, eating, sleeping. 529 00:25:38,465 --> 00:25:39,808 Whoa! Whoa! 530 00:25:39,866 --> 00:25:42,142 I tell you one thing he didn't do, bathe. 531 00:25:42,669 --> 00:25:44,410 Why would Eddie sleep down here? 532 00:25:44,671 --> 00:25:47,447 He could have been more comfortable upstairs with me. 533 00:25:48,642 --> 00:25:50,212 BRISCOE: Hello. 534 00:25:52,179 --> 00:25:55,456 Allow me to introduce you to our mystery brunette. 535 00:25:56,083 --> 00:25:57,790 We've got Chandler's prints in the car. 536 00:25:57,918 --> 00:26:00,398 He'll say Stevenson gave him a ride. 537 00:26:00,487 --> 00:26:02,899 JACK: We need Stevenson to say he loaned the car to Chandler. 538 00:26:03,056 --> 00:26:04,865 That connects Chandler to the wig and dress. 539 00:26:04,925 --> 00:26:06,495 Which puts him at both the crime scenes. 540 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,632 And while you're at it, get the weapon back in. 541 00:26:09,963 --> 00:26:11,601 WOMAN: Mr. McCoy? 542 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:14,278 Notice of substitution. 543 00:26:16,403 --> 00:26:18,940 Greenwald's been replaced by Neil Pressman. 544 00:26:19,306 --> 00:26:22,150 That Harvard opportunist. How did Chandler manage that? 545 00:26:22,442 --> 00:26:25,753 The question isn't how. It's how come. 546 00:26:29,282 --> 00:26:31,592 JACK: Professor Stevenson connects your client to the Honda, 547 00:26:31,651 --> 00:26:33,392 and that connects him to the dress and wig. 548 00:26:33,453 --> 00:26:35,262 And before I can say "Antonin Scalia," 549 00:26:35,322 --> 00:26:37,097 you're arguing inevitable discovery. 550 00:26:37,390 --> 00:26:40,030 We get the gun back in, and your client's going down for murder one. 551 00:26:40,393 --> 00:26:42,600 PRESSMAN: That's on the theory that the victims were tortured. 552 00:26:42,929 --> 00:26:44,340 JACK: Very good, Mr. Pressman. 553 00:26:44,631 --> 00:26:46,907 Now try guessing what offer we'll make. 554 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:50,445 Let's see, going on what my teaching assistants told me about you, 555 00:26:50,504 --> 00:26:52,950 you're going to take the death penalty off the table 556 00:26:53,373 --> 00:26:56,445 and then you're going to give my client the opportunity to rot in jail 557 00:26:56,510 --> 00:26:59,354 for the rest of his life without the possibility of parole, am I right? 558 00:26:59,546 --> 00:27:00,957 Took the words right out of my mouth. 559 00:27:01,014 --> 00:27:02,049 (SCOFFS) 560 00:27:02,115 --> 00:27:04,959 Don't waste your sympathies on those people who died, Mr. McCoy. 561 00:27:05,218 --> 00:27:06,424 You mean the ones you murdered? 562 00:27:06,486 --> 00:27:07,658 The ones somebody murdered. 563 00:27:10,957 --> 00:27:15,531 When I was a boy, I used to watch On the Town over and over. 564 00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:20,339 And But Not for Me. You know that one, Mr. McCoy? 565 00:27:21,368 --> 00:27:25,544 Clark Gable is a Broadway producer. And Miracle on 34th Street. 566 00:27:26,239 --> 00:27:30,949 Oh, I thought New York was filled with colorful people, romantic people, 567 00:27:32,078 --> 00:27:36,026 people who lived wonderful, exciting, interesting lives. 568 00:27:39,019 --> 00:27:43,764 You know what I found? Monsters. 569 00:27:46,293 --> 00:27:48,739 People who preyed on the innocent, 570 00:27:49,729 --> 00:27:53,541 corrupted them, destroyed them. 571 00:27:57,170 --> 00:27:58,979 I was 17 years old. 572 00:28:00,407 --> 00:28:03,115 (SCOFFS) Do you think they carded me? 573 00:28:03,944 --> 00:28:07,858 Do you think they cared if I was 17,16,14? 574 00:28:14,187 --> 00:28:16,224 I didn't kill them, Mr. McCoy. 575 00:28:17,157 --> 00:28:19,763 But they killed the boy I used to be, 576 00:28:19,993 --> 00:28:22,803 and if they hadn't been stopped, they'd have killed other boys, 577 00:28:22,862 --> 00:28:24,034 other girls, 578 00:28:25,699 --> 00:28:27,372 as many as they could get their hands on. 579 00:28:31,171 --> 00:28:36,211 Those S&M games they played, they were rehearsing what happened to them. 580 00:28:42,983 --> 00:28:44,291 He's really something, isn't he? 581 00:28:46,386 --> 00:28:48,366 So was Ted Bundy. 582 00:28:49,689 --> 00:28:53,102 You want to avoid his fate, Mr. Chandler, you consider our offer. 583 00:28:53,793 --> 00:28:56,672 PRESSMAN: Well, that's a no. So, I guess we're going to trial. 584 00:28:56,796 --> 00:28:59,333 A real trial, Mr. Pressman. Not moot court. 585 00:28:59,399 --> 00:29:00,707 (CHUCKLING) 586 00:29:00,767 --> 00:29:03,714 Don't worry, Mr. McCoy, I won't bump into the furniture. Let's go. 587 00:29:11,378 --> 00:29:13,187 Off the record? That's what you said. 588 00:29:13,246 --> 00:29:14,953 The situation's changed. 589 00:29:15,015 --> 00:29:16,722 And you want me to testify to a grand jury 590 00:29:16,783 --> 00:29:19,457 so my children will know I shared my bed with a serial killer? 591 00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:21,897 If you don't help us, there's a good chance he'll go free. 592 00:29:21,955 --> 00:29:23,730 That's your problem! 593 00:29:25,091 --> 00:29:26,900 Without him, we can't get the gun back in. (SIGHING) 594 00:29:28,061 --> 00:29:30,439 The right judge might allow my testimony of what he said. 595 00:29:30,497 --> 00:29:33,808 The right brain-dead judge. It would still be hearsay. 596 00:29:34,367 --> 00:29:36,472 Unless we charge him with aiding and abetting. 597 00:29:38,038 --> 00:29:39,881 ROSS: Professor Stevenson incriminated himself 598 00:29:39,939 --> 00:29:42,078 when he told me he lent Mr. Chandler his car. 599 00:29:42,709 --> 00:29:45,212 His admission was a statement against penal interest. 600 00:29:45,278 --> 00:29:47,519 It's admissible as an exception to the hearsay rule. 601 00:29:47,647 --> 00:29:48,682 Okay. It's a dodge, Your Honor. 602 00:29:48,748 --> 00:29:51,285 The only reason that they charged Professor Stevenson in the first place 603 00:29:51,351 --> 00:29:52,591 was to get his statement in. I guarantee you, 604 00:29:52,652 --> 00:29:53,722 the minute this hearing is over, 605 00:29:53,787 --> 00:29:55,289 they're gonna drop the charges against him. 606 00:29:56,156 --> 00:29:57,260 Are you, Mr. McCoy? 607 00:29:58,291 --> 00:29:59,895 Barring new information, no. 608 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,704 All right. The statement's in. 609 00:30:02,862 --> 00:30:06,469 Then, Your Honor, we'd like to re-examine your suppression of the gun. 610 00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:08,077 I told you, Your Honor. He's bootstrapping. 611 00:30:08,468 --> 00:30:10,345 (CHUCKLING) And doing a damn good job at it. 612 00:30:10,403 --> 00:30:12,940 We can now link his client to evidence, the dress and the wig 613 00:30:13,006 --> 00:30:14,644 that places him at two crime scenes. 614 00:30:15,208 --> 00:30:17,882 That gives us grounds to search his client. 615 00:30:18,011 --> 00:30:19,752 And that search would've turned up the murder weapon. 616 00:30:19,913 --> 00:30:21,256 Would've? Might've. 617 00:30:21,314 --> 00:30:22,691 It's not called probable discovery, 618 00:30:22,749 --> 00:30:24,092 it's called inevitable discovery. 619 00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:25,322 People v. Fitzpatrick. 620 00:30:25,385 --> 00:30:28,423 Don't you get the law journal up at Harvard? People v. Ruff in. 621 00:30:28,721 --> 00:30:30,826 Covers items that likely would've been discovered 622 00:30:30,890 --> 00:30:32,597 in the normal course of an investigation. 623 00:30:32,792 --> 00:30:34,965 And so it does. 624 00:30:35,729 --> 00:30:39,336 All right, Mr. McCoy, you got your gun back. 625 00:30:44,404 --> 00:30:47,544 He cut Mr. Steiner over 30 times, some deep cuts, 626 00:30:47,607 --> 00:30:49,450 some superficial, before he shot him. 627 00:30:49,642 --> 00:30:51,781 JACK: And what conclusion did you draw from these injuries? 628 00:30:51,845 --> 00:30:54,655 I'd say they were designed to inflict maximum pain 629 00:30:54,714 --> 00:30:56,955 while keeping the victim alive and conscious. 630 00:30:59,552 --> 00:31:04,023 Dr. Rodgers, is it fair to say that the killer deliberately 631 00:31:04,224 --> 00:31:06,363 caused the greatest possible suffering in his victims? 632 00:31:06,426 --> 00:31:07,427 Yes. 633 00:31:07,494 --> 00:31:09,633 Would you say this seems like the work of a sociopath? 634 00:31:09,996 --> 00:31:12,476 Psychopathology isn't my field, Mr. Pressman. 635 00:31:13,533 --> 00:31:15,638 But it's not something that you see every day. 636 00:31:15,869 --> 00:31:16,870 Hmm. 637 00:31:17,303 --> 00:31:18,714 Thank you. 638 00:31:18,872 --> 00:31:19,873 (PRESSMAN CLEARS THROAT) 639 00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:23,986 Eddie called me up and said he wanted money, $20,000. 640 00:31:24,677 --> 00:31:27,021 He said he'd come to my apartment in two days. 641 00:31:28,114 --> 00:31:29,525 Um, he said I'd better have the money. 642 00:31:30,483 --> 00:31:31,723 Did you take that as a threat? 643 00:31:35,121 --> 00:31:36,327 Absolutely. 644 00:31:36,923 --> 00:31:37,993 Thank you. 645 00:31:38,591 --> 00:31:42,630 Mr. Thatcher, what made you think that Eddie Chandler threatened you? 646 00:31:43,496 --> 00:31:45,498 Because I know him, intimately. 647 00:31:45,698 --> 00:31:48,474 When you lived together, he was preoccupied with violence, wasn't he? 648 00:31:48,535 --> 00:31:52,108 Yes, um, he'd rent videos with lots of gore in them. 649 00:31:52,705 --> 00:31:54,616 What else did he watch? 650 00:31:54,908 --> 00:31:57,616 TV shows, Road Runner cartoons. 651 00:31:57,677 --> 00:31:59,554 He could watch that stuff for hours. 652 00:32:00,013 --> 00:32:01,014 Hmm. 653 00:32:01,347 --> 00:32:02,690 Thank you. 654 00:32:04,150 --> 00:32:06,858 He can't be going for an insanity defense. It's too late. 655 00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:08,294 There's something we're not seeing. 656 00:32:08,354 --> 00:32:09,458 We're not supposed to. 657 00:32:09,522 --> 00:32:11,866 Not until it comes up and bites us on the ass. 658 00:32:12,025 --> 00:32:14,972 It's from Pressman. An addition to his witness list. 659 00:32:15,628 --> 00:32:17,801 US Representative Fred Maxwell. 660 00:32:18,531 --> 00:32:20,169 Maxwell? 661 00:32:20,233 --> 00:32:21,803 I'd say you've just been bit. 662 00:32:22,769 --> 00:32:26,512 Your Honor, this witness has absolutely no relevance to this case. 663 00:32:26,573 --> 00:32:28,610 I intend to argue mitigating circumstances, Your Honor. 664 00:32:28,675 --> 00:32:31,155 Prolonged exposure to excessive TV violence 665 00:32:31,211 --> 00:32:33,213 led to sociopathic behavior on the part of my client. 666 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,283 He can say Moonbeams or Twinkies made his client do it, 667 00:32:36,349 --> 00:32:38,386 it's still not appropriate testimony. 668 00:32:38,451 --> 00:32:40,556 If I can show impact on his behavior, why not? 669 00:32:40,787 --> 00:32:42,664 Why not, indeed, Mr. McCoy? 670 00:32:43,356 --> 00:32:46,098 I'm not going to deny Mr. Chandler a defense. 671 00:32:46,225 --> 00:32:49,604 Your Honor, Mr. Pressman is using a political hot button to confuse the jury. 672 00:32:49,662 --> 00:32:52,666 Then unconfuse them. I'm going to allow his witness. 673 00:32:55,835 --> 00:32:58,111 I've been against violence my entire life. 674 00:32:58,171 --> 00:33:00,378 ADAM: I'm acquainted with your career, Congressman. 675 00:33:01,474 --> 00:33:04,944 Song lyrics, movies, television shows. 676 00:33:05,011 --> 00:33:06,547 You've been quite outspoken. 677 00:33:06,613 --> 00:33:11,221 And now this clown, Pressman, wants me testifying in defense of a serial killer. 678 00:33:12,118 --> 00:33:14,621 A damn gay serial killer into kinky sex. 679 00:33:14,754 --> 00:33:17,496 Pressman's no clown. He's a ringmaster. 680 00:33:17,557 --> 00:33:19,366 And you're his star attraction. 681 00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:20,765 Just get me off the hook. 682 00:33:20,827 --> 00:33:21,965 Nothing I can do. 683 00:33:22,462 --> 00:33:25,068 Look on the upside, if Chandler's acquitted, 684 00:33:25,131 --> 00:33:27,611 your movement gets its very own Willie Horton. 685 00:33:30,970 --> 00:33:33,541 I'm the chairman of the National Advisory Committee 686 00:33:33,606 --> 00:33:34,983 on Television Violence. 687 00:33:35,675 --> 00:33:38,884 PRESSMAN: And you've sponsored bills to regulate the content of primetime TV shows? 688 00:33:39,145 --> 00:33:40,215 Yes. 689 00:33:40,313 --> 00:33:42,919 Now, isn't it true that your committee believes 690 00:33:42,982 --> 00:33:47,328 that there is a one-to-one correlation between watching violent acts on TV 691 00:33:47,587 --> 00:33:49,999 and aggressive, anti-social behavior in real life? 692 00:33:50,056 --> 00:33:51,057 Yes. 693 00:33:51,124 --> 00:33:53,229 And isn't it true that you found among young people 694 00:33:53,293 --> 00:33:55,569 who've been convicted of violent acts, 695 00:33:55,628 --> 00:33:57,869 an alarmingly high percentage of them, 696 00:33:57,931 --> 00:34:00,571 we're talking somewhere in the neighborhood of 80%, 697 00:34:00,934 --> 00:34:03,540 spent most of their leisure time watching violent TV? 698 00:34:04,170 --> 00:34:05,240 Yes. 699 00:34:05,805 --> 00:34:09,651 All right. Now, this is Defense's exhibit 43, Your Honor. 700 00:34:09,709 --> 00:34:13,282 It's a report by the US Advisory Board on Child Abuse and Neglect. 701 00:34:13,346 --> 00:34:14,984 Would you read the marked passage, please? 702 00:34:15,982 --> 00:34:19,725 "The dynamic visual image has a unique psychological effect" 703 00:34:19,853 --> 00:34:22,356 "that is not shared by the written or spoken word" 704 00:34:22,789 --> 00:34:24,427 "or still graphic image." 705 00:34:24,490 --> 00:34:25,560 Do you agree with that? 706 00:34:26,225 --> 00:34:28,068 Yes, sir, I do. 707 00:34:28,127 --> 00:34:30,573 Your Honor, Defense's 44. 708 00:34:30,663 --> 00:34:35,305 This is a copy of a speech Representative Maxwell made in Denver last year. 709 00:34:35,368 --> 00:34:37,712 Again, would you read the marked passage? 710 00:34:39,339 --> 00:34:44,015 "I blame violent TV shows for the epidemic of violence among today's youth." 711 00:34:44,477 --> 00:34:47,651 So, aren't you by implication, 712 00:34:47,714 --> 00:34:50,923 comparing these TV shows to a disease? 713 00:34:51,584 --> 00:34:53,086 Something that causes an epidemic. 714 00:34:53,152 --> 00:34:54,153 You could say that. 715 00:34:54,220 --> 00:34:57,292 Well, then, if these TV shows are an equivalent to a disease, 716 00:34:57,357 --> 00:35:00,395 aren't the people affected by them in some sense victims? 717 00:35:00,727 --> 00:35:03,833 I suppose in some sense, yes. 718 00:35:07,233 --> 00:35:08,940 Congressman, you don't like my client, do you? 719 00:35:09,068 --> 00:35:14,142 No. And I think it would be a serious miscarriage of justice 720 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:16,811 if he were not found guilty of first-degree murder. 721 00:35:17,176 --> 00:35:21,090 But this issue is so important, I would rather see Mr. Chandler go free... 722 00:35:21,147 --> 00:35:22,148 Objection. 723 00:35:22,215 --> 00:35:24,058 Your Honor, the Congressman is an expert in this area. 724 00:35:24,117 --> 00:35:25,926 His testimony is relevant to the case that I'm presenting. 725 00:35:26,152 --> 00:35:28,098 I'll let him finish his thought, 726 00:35:28,154 --> 00:35:30,065 but that's as far as I'm going to go. 727 00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:31,926 Thank you, Your Honor. 728 00:35:34,093 --> 00:35:36,369 I would rather see Mr. Chandler go free 729 00:35:36,562 --> 00:35:40,942 if it would help stem the tide of violence and depravity overwhelming our society. 730 00:35:42,468 --> 00:35:44,379 Thank you, Congressman. 731 00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:52,155 Congressman, 732 00:35:54,914 --> 00:35:58,623 is there a difference between a correlation and a cause? 733 00:36:00,420 --> 00:36:01,421 How do you mean? 734 00:36:01,487 --> 00:36:03,626 If 80% of juvenile offenders chew gum, 735 00:36:03,690 --> 00:36:05,931 are we to assume that gum chewing causes crime? 736 00:36:05,992 --> 00:36:06,993 No. 737 00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:11,839 So isn't it just as likely that these juvenile criminals watch violent TV shows 738 00:36:11,898 --> 00:36:14,777 because that's the kind of program they're likely to be attracted to, 739 00:36:14,834 --> 00:36:16,211 given their personalities? 740 00:36:16,469 --> 00:36:17,846 I'm not sure. 741 00:36:18,104 --> 00:36:20,106 Did you watch television as a youngster? 742 00:36:20,540 --> 00:36:21,575 Sure. 743 00:36:21,774 --> 00:36:23,685 Did you watch westerns? 744 00:36:23,876 --> 00:36:27,187 Gunsmoke, Have Gun - Will Travel, Bonanza. 745 00:36:28,314 --> 00:36:33,320 Mr. McCoy, I've discussed this many times. The violence on those shows 746 00:36:33,553 --> 00:36:37,695 had a moral context, as do violent scenes in Sophocles and Shakespeare. 747 00:36:38,791 --> 00:36:42,238 I'm not arguing that we must never see a part of reality 748 00:36:42,295 --> 00:36:45,868 that undoubtedly exists on television or in movies. 749 00:36:46,466 --> 00:36:50,539 But I am arguing images of gratuitous violence and sex 750 00:36:50,603 --> 00:36:52,105 debase our culture. 751 00:36:53,339 --> 00:36:55,285 And you decide what is gratuitous? 752 00:36:55,341 --> 00:36:57,821 A civilized society can come to agree on that. 753 00:36:58,544 --> 00:37:01,252 Do you believe that we are a civilized society? 754 00:37:01,347 --> 00:37:02,985 I believe we used to be. 755 00:37:03,149 --> 00:37:06,995 And you think setting Eddie Chandler free 756 00:37:08,154 --> 00:37:11,692 to prove a political point would make us more civilized? 757 00:37:11,758 --> 00:37:13,101 PRESSMAN: Objection. 758 00:37:14,260 --> 00:37:16,467 Withdrawn. No more questions. 759 00:37:19,532 --> 00:37:21,773 When I was a kid, when I came home from school, 760 00:37:21,834 --> 00:37:25,179 I'd turn the TV on and pretty much, I guess, watch it 761 00:37:25,304 --> 00:37:27,341 straight on, right through till bedtime. 762 00:37:28,007 --> 00:37:29,850 PRESSMAN: What kind of shows did you watch? 763 00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:32,817 Cop shows. Action shows. The Mod Squad. 764 00:37:32,879 --> 00:37:35,519 The A-Team, Starsky and Hutch. 765 00:37:36,215 --> 00:37:38,126 I used to pretend I was one of the characters. 766 00:37:39,052 --> 00:37:40,156 How'd that make you feel? 767 00:37:40,219 --> 00:37:41,254 Alive. 768 00:37:42,288 --> 00:37:46,759 More intense, more real. 769 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,197 Did you ever get into a fight when you were a kid? 770 00:37:49,762 --> 00:37:54,609 Once, by accident, I hit a friend in the face 771 00:37:54,667 --> 00:37:57,170 and I broke his nose. 772 00:37:58,137 --> 00:37:59,411 There was blood, a lot of blood. 773 00:37:59,972 --> 00:38:01,974 How'd that make you feel? 774 00:38:02,842 --> 00:38:03,912 (LAUGHING) 775 00:38:04,210 --> 00:38:05,553 It gave me a rush. 776 00:38:07,847 --> 00:38:12,887 Like seeing David Carradine beat the bad guys on Kung-Fu. 777 00:38:21,928 --> 00:38:28,903 Did you ever see any explicit sadomasochistic acts on network television? 778 00:38:29,702 --> 00:38:30,737 No. 779 00:38:30,803 --> 00:38:33,716 Did you ever see anybody tortured with a knife 780 00:38:33,773 --> 00:38:36,413 and shot in the groin on primetime television? 781 00:38:36,476 --> 00:38:37,477 No. 782 00:38:37,543 --> 00:38:41,081 So how did you come up with the idea for torturing Stuart Steiner? 783 00:38:43,916 --> 00:38:45,953 Did you see it on TV? 784 00:38:46,085 --> 00:38:49,089 I don't know, yeah. Maybe. Yeah, I think I did. 785 00:38:49,488 --> 00:38:50,967 What show? 786 00:38:55,761 --> 00:38:58,264 You never saw it on TV, did you? 787 00:39:01,467 --> 00:39:03,504 You thought it up on your own? 788 00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:05,371 I don't know. 789 00:39:05,471 --> 00:39:07,747 And you knew you were breaking the law, didn't you? 790 00:39:10,109 --> 00:39:11,110 No. 791 00:39:11,177 --> 00:39:16,251 And still you murdered Mr. Steiner and Ms. Gaylin 792 00:39:17,250 --> 00:39:20,356 because you thought that they deserved to die? 793 00:39:24,056 --> 00:39:26,900 Because you believed that they were monsters? 794 00:39:29,862 --> 00:39:30,966 Yeah. 795 00:39:38,337 --> 00:39:39,680 No more questions. 796 00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:47,088 If television didn't influence our behavior, 797 00:39:47,146 --> 00:39:51,253 why would advertisers spend millions of dollars every year on TV commercials? 798 00:39:52,351 --> 00:39:54,262 Of course, TV has an effect on us. 799 00:39:55,321 --> 00:39:57,494 You watch, as I did 30 years ago, 800 00:39:57,557 --> 00:39:59,332 you watch the Vietnam War on TV, 801 00:39:59,392 --> 00:40:00,735 you are changed. 802 00:40:01,627 --> 00:40:05,575 Now, Mr. McCoy will no doubt tell you that this is a matter of freedom of speech, 803 00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:07,610 that this is a First Amendment issue. 804 00:40:08,568 --> 00:40:11,048 It is not. It is about what you as parents already know. 805 00:40:11,237 --> 00:40:13,945 That your children are mesmerized when they watch TV. 806 00:40:14,006 --> 00:40:15,144 How they copy what they see. 807 00:40:15,207 --> 00:40:17,619 They act out karate fights after watching Power Rangers. 808 00:40:19,312 --> 00:40:23,522 And here we have Eddie Chandler who was abused, exploited 809 00:40:23,850 --> 00:40:26,126 and discarded by people he thought were his friends. 810 00:40:26,218 --> 00:40:28,289 Eddie Chandler, who for 30 years, 811 00:40:28,354 --> 00:40:30,766 was bombarded with televised fantasies 812 00:40:30,856 --> 00:40:35,464 of bloodshed and vengeance and cruelty that turned him into a violence junkie. 813 00:40:35,761 --> 00:40:39,004 Television told him it's okay to kill. Television. 814 00:40:42,001 --> 00:40:45,380 Now, the judge will instruct you that if you find mitigating circumstances, 815 00:40:46,205 --> 00:40:51,177 for example, if my client acted under an irresistible compulsion to commit violence, 816 00:40:52,345 --> 00:40:55,485 then you can acquit him of the top count of murder one, 817 00:40:55,548 --> 00:40:58,154 and find him guilty of first-degree manslaughter. 818 00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:04,267 I am not asking you to absolve him of all blame, 819 00:41:05,658 --> 00:41:09,071 just the blame that properly belongs 820 00:41:09,128 --> 00:41:10,971 to those who infected his mind. 821 00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:22,080 JACK: Mr. Pressman is right. This is not a First Amendment issue. 822 00:41:23,409 --> 00:41:27,653 We can all agree that what we see powerfully affects us. 823 00:41:28,147 --> 00:41:30,889 But that doesn't excuse us from being decent human beings 824 00:41:31,350 --> 00:41:34,297 or from making moral choices. 825 00:41:36,088 --> 00:41:37,999 What we choose to watch 826 00:41:39,592 --> 00:41:43,597 and how we react is up to us. 827 00:41:48,034 --> 00:41:49,604 The baby boom generation, 828 00:41:49,669 --> 00:41:52,707 to which Congressman Maxwell and I both belong, 829 00:41:54,473 --> 00:41:58,615 grew up watching hundreds of hours of violent TV. 830 00:41:58,677 --> 00:42:00,657 We dressed up like Davey Crockett 831 00:42:00,713 --> 00:42:02,989 with his trusty rifle, Old Betsy, 832 00:42:03,716 --> 00:42:07,755 like Hopalong Cassidy, with his pearl-handled six-shooters. 833 00:42:10,723 --> 00:42:15,468 And what was the result of all this make-believe, TV-inspired violence? 834 00:42:16,028 --> 00:42:21,535 We grew up to be a generation that marched against war, and preached peace, 835 00:42:21,634 --> 00:42:24,080 love, and flower power, and, yes, 836 00:42:24,370 --> 00:42:30,013 Mr. Pressman watched the Vietnam War on TV, and how did that change him? 837 00:42:30,343 --> 00:42:33,722 I looked up his record. He became a conscientious objector 838 00:42:35,648 --> 00:42:39,994 and a Harvard Law professor. Dangerous guy, huh? 839 00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:51,933 We are creatures of free will and moral choice. 840 00:42:53,332 --> 00:42:56,108 No matter what we see, read, or hear, 841 00:42:57,002 --> 00:42:59,744 we still make choices. 842 00:43:00,473 --> 00:43:04,512 Eddie Chandler, a man who murdered 843 00:43:04,777 --> 00:43:07,986 and tortured two innocent people, 844 00:43:10,416 --> 00:43:12,487 chose evil. 845 00:43:22,828 --> 00:43:24,603 Hello. 846 00:43:25,498 --> 00:43:26,909 Come to offer a plea? 847 00:43:26,966 --> 00:43:29,572 (CHUCKLING) Get a chicken salad sandwich, actually. 848 00:43:29,902 --> 00:43:32,382 Three days of jury deliberations don't scare me. 849 00:43:33,339 --> 00:43:36,616 I want to tell you, Jack, I admire your passion. 850 00:43:37,610 --> 00:43:40,113 I wish I could say I admired your consistency. 851 00:43:43,516 --> 00:43:46,326 "The founders put freedom of speech in the First Amendment" 852 00:43:46,385 --> 00:43:49,491 "because they understood that democracy begins" 853 00:43:49,555 --> 00:43:52,229 "with the most basic freedom of all," 854 00:43:52,291 --> 00:43:55,067 "the freedom to think what we want and to say what we think." 855 00:43:58,063 --> 00:44:00,009 You were a champion of the First Amendment, 856 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,577 and now you're arguing for censorship. 857 00:44:02,635 --> 00:44:03,841 Yeah, I wrote that. 858 00:44:04,403 --> 00:44:05,814 And I still believe in the First Amendment. 859 00:44:06,005 --> 00:44:07,484 And your argument in this case? 860 00:44:08,340 --> 00:44:09,978 I want to see if the public does, too. 861 00:44:17,816 --> 00:44:21,457 On the first count of the indictment in the death of Jennifer Gaylin, 862 00:44:22,555 --> 00:44:25,434 murder in the second degree, how do you find? 863 00:44:25,791 --> 00:44:28,499 We find the defendant, Edward Chandler, guilty. 864 00:44:29,562 --> 00:44:33,339 On the second count of the indictment in the death of Stuart Steiner, 865 00:44:33,666 --> 00:44:36,112 murder in the first degree, how do you find? 866 00:44:36,235 --> 00:44:38,875 We find the defendant, Edward Chandler, guilty. 867 00:44:51,317 --> 00:44:53,092 Have you seen the Crimson Law Review? 868 00:44:53,152 --> 00:44:57,100 There's a new article by Pressman on the viability of TV violence as a defense. 869 00:44:57,656 --> 00:44:59,658 Their lead-time for articles is three months. 870 00:44:59,758 --> 00:45:02,671 Pressman wrote and submitted this a month before taking the Chandler case. 871 00:45:03,395 --> 00:45:07,400 I guess he wanted to try out his defense on a real jury. 872 00:45:09,368 --> 00:45:11,507 This was just a lab experiment for him. 873 00:45:11,637 --> 00:45:14,618 He got his results, a vote for personal responsibility. 874 00:45:16,475 --> 00:45:19,752 I'm afraid some other defense lawyer will take this and get a different vote. 875 00:45:21,981 --> 00:45:23,153 Bedtime reading. 876 00:45:23,215 --> 00:45:24,216 Bathroom.