1 00:00:06,239 --> 00:00:07,968 In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:08,041 --> 00:00:11,943 the people are represented by two separate, yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:12,012 --> 00:00:13,809 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,405 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:16,716 --> 00:00:18,274 These are their stories. 6 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:21,209 This comes out on 104th. 7 00:00:21,287 --> 00:00:23,517 Dr. Ashworth's gonna be mad if I'm not back by 1:00. 8 00:00:23,590 --> 00:00:25,023 Don't worry. I'll get you back. 9 00:00:26,159 --> 00:00:27,387 Cecilia. 10 00:00:28,895 --> 00:00:31,420 Look. Somebody dropped this. 11 00:00:31,531 --> 00:00:33,431 What is it? I don't know. You open it. 12 00:00:35,769 --> 00:00:37,737 It's a diamond ring. 13 00:00:38,304 --> 00:00:39,931 Yeah, how about that? 14 00:00:40,607 --> 00:00:42,165 We have to turn it in. 15 00:00:42,275 --> 00:00:43,299 No. 16 00:00:45,412 --> 00:00:46,401 You keep it. 17 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,777 No, we can't do that. It's somebody's... 18 00:00:49,849 --> 00:00:51,578 Tino, you're crazy! 19 00:00:51,785 --> 00:00:54,219 I love you, Cecilia, and I want you in my life. 20 00:00:56,556 --> 00:00:58,217 Oh, my God, Tino! 21 00:00:58,892 --> 00:01:00,223 Oh, my God! 22 00:01:08,068 --> 00:01:09,467 She's alive. 23 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:12,795 The girl died on the way to the hospital. 24 00:01:12,872 --> 00:01:13,896 She say anything? 25 00:01:13,973 --> 00:01:15,440 No. No ID on her. 26 00:01:15,508 --> 00:01:17,806 EMS figured her for 15 or 16. 27 00:01:18,211 --> 00:01:20,441 Found a set of house keys right here. 28 00:01:20,947 --> 00:01:22,812 Plastic heart. "Happy. " 29 00:01:23,817 --> 00:01:25,079 Penlight. 30 00:01:25,852 --> 00:01:27,786 "Quickpro Printing. " Midtown. 31 00:01:27,854 --> 00:01:28,878 What else? 32 00:01:28,955 --> 00:01:31,924 Found a pair of lady's wire-rim glasses right here, 33 00:01:32,058 --> 00:01:33,355 blood on the frames. 34 00:01:33,626 --> 00:01:35,594 Drag marks leading up to the tree. 35 00:01:36,262 --> 00:01:38,958 This pipe here has blood and hair on it. 36 00:01:39,032 --> 00:01:40,624 Same deal with the stick. 37 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:42,800 There were bruises all over her body. 38 00:01:43,303 --> 00:01:45,430 They hung her up and beat her like a piņata. 39 00:01:45,505 --> 00:01:46,494 Very festive. 40 00:01:46,573 --> 00:01:47,835 They went one better. 41 00:01:47,907 --> 00:01:50,273 We counted a dozen rocks with traces of blood. 42 00:01:51,845 --> 00:01:53,642 Festive and biblical. 43 00:02:44,631 --> 00:02:46,724 Yeah. Yeah, I sent out a few hundred of these 44 00:02:46,799 --> 00:02:48,994 couple of months ago, when we opened. Why? 45 00:02:49,502 --> 00:02:50,833 It was found at a crime scene. 46 00:02:50,904 --> 00:02:52,667 Do you still have the list of people you sent them to? 47 00:02:52,739 --> 00:02:54,263 Yeah, probably. 48 00:02:54,941 --> 00:02:55,930 What kind of crime? 49 00:02:56,009 --> 00:02:58,000 Homicide. It was on a key chain. 50 00:02:58,778 --> 00:02:59,767 Key chain? 51 00:02:59,946 --> 00:03:02,779 Yeah, on a blue heart. Said "happy" on it. 52 00:03:06,019 --> 00:03:07,179 Who... 53 00:03:08,154 --> 00:03:09,678 Who was killed? 54 00:03:10,657 --> 00:03:11,783 Oh, God. 55 00:03:12,091 --> 00:03:14,025 Christina. My baby. 56 00:03:14,093 --> 00:03:16,823 She had glasses, uh, silver, wire-rim? 57 00:03:17,130 --> 00:03:18,859 We found a pair like that. 58 00:03:22,602 --> 00:03:25,127 What time did Christina leave for school this morning? 59 00:03:25,905 --> 00:03:28,703 Uh, 8:00. She goes to Brandeis High. 60 00:03:29,075 --> 00:03:30,633 She... She takes the bus. 61 00:03:31,144 --> 00:03:32,805 She usually go with friends? 62 00:03:33,279 --> 00:03:34,303 No. 63 00:03:34,981 --> 00:03:37,040 Uh, she doesn't know a lot of people. 64 00:03:37,283 --> 00:03:40,218 I relocated my business from Philadelphia three months ago. 65 00:03:40,687 --> 00:03:42,314 She wanted friends. 66 00:03:42,889 --> 00:03:44,584 But it's not easy for her. 67 00:03:45,792 --> 00:03:46,986 Was she... 68 00:03:47,660 --> 00:03:48,922 Was she violated? 69 00:03:48,995 --> 00:03:51,259 The M.E. doesn't think so. 70 00:03:52,532 --> 00:03:54,090 Um, did she have a boyfriend? 71 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,224 No. 72 00:03:55,535 --> 00:03:56,832 She ever cut school? 73 00:03:57,003 --> 00:03:58,834 No, never. 74 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:01,703 She helped out with her brothers. 75 00:04:01,941 --> 00:04:04,409 Weekends she spent at the print shop. 76 00:04:04,877 --> 00:04:06,174 She was never any trouble. 77 00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:09,079 She always tried to be nice. 78 00:04:09,148 --> 00:04:12,015 She just wanted people to like her. 79 00:04:13,886 --> 00:04:15,114 She ever make it to school? 80 00:04:15,188 --> 00:04:17,418 She took her first three classes, then she cut out. 81 00:04:17,824 --> 00:04:20,452 Parents said she had a knapsack with her when she left home. 82 00:04:20,526 --> 00:04:21,891 Wasn't in her locker at school. 83 00:04:21,961 --> 00:04:23,986 Get people to search the park and the area 84 00:04:24,063 --> 00:04:25,553 all the way to Columbus Avenue. 85 00:04:25,632 --> 00:04:27,532 We called the MTA about her bus pass. 86 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,625 Good. She was strangled with a dog collar? 87 00:04:29,702 --> 00:04:30,794 A choke chain. 88 00:04:30,870 --> 00:04:33,338 Any chance forensics can trace the manufacturer? 89 00:04:33,406 --> 00:04:35,931 Looks pretty new. Leather handle has a unique design. Why not? 90 00:04:36,009 --> 00:04:37,340 Well, keep in touch. 91 00:04:37,644 --> 00:04:38,804 Lennie. 92 00:04:52,659 --> 00:04:53,990 What's up? 93 00:04:54,327 --> 00:04:56,056 The mope that shot my daughter? 94 00:04:56,462 --> 00:04:59,556 DOA in the East Village. Heroin overdose. 95 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:02,834 Drug problem has an upside, huh, Lennie? 96 00:05:03,770 --> 00:05:04,862 Solved my problem. 97 00:05:08,474 --> 00:05:10,271 Curtis. Where? 98 00:05:11,244 --> 00:05:13,007 We'll be right down. 99 00:05:13,479 --> 00:05:14,707 Her bus pass turned up. 100 00:05:17,950 --> 00:05:20,578 I didn't steal no bus pass. That's my bus pass. 101 00:05:20,653 --> 00:05:22,052 You're Christina Osborne? 102 00:05:22,121 --> 00:05:23,110 Yes, sir. 103 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:25,951 This is Christina Osborne. That look like you? 104 00:05:26,025 --> 00:05:27,720 Mmm-hmm. That's me. 105 00:05:28,094 --> 00:05:29,686 And where'd you get this bus pass? 106 00:05:29,762 --> 00:05:31,957 Mayor Giuliani gave it to me. 107 00:05:32,165 --> 00:05:33,427 He give you these, too? 108 00:05:33,499 --> 00:05:36,195 Course not. I got them from my travel agent today. 109 00:05:36,269 --> 00:05:37,861 I'm going on vacation. 110 00:05:37,937 --> 00:05:39,370 Monserrat? Where? 111 00:05:39,806 --> 00:05:42,138 All these are for Montserrat in the West Indies. 112 00:05:42,208 --> 00:05:43,334 I'm taking a bus there. 113 00:05:44,877 --> 00:05:46,071 Where's your travel agent? 114 00:05:46,779 --> 00:05:48,713 He must've picked them out of the trash. 115 00:05:48,815 --> 00:05:51,909 I tossed five boxes of outdated pamphlets yesterday morning. 116 00:05:51,984 --> 00:05:54,851 I thought Montserrat was one of the jet-set hotspots. 117 00:05:54,921 --> 00:05:56,582 Too hot. Most of the island got buried 118 00:05:56,656 --> 00:05:59,056 under five feet of volcanic ash last year. 119 00:05:59,158 --> 00:06:02,059 Uh, this one's mine. That one belongs to the hair salon upstairs. 120 00:06:02,128 --> 00:06:03,288 Okay. Here we go. 121 00:06:03,363 --> 00:06:05,763 Besides the homeless man, you see anyone else messing with this stuff? 122 00:06:05,832 --> 00:06:07,060 I don't keep my eye on it. 123 00:06:07,133 --> 00:06:09,363 Anybody wants to steal my garbage, they're welcome to it. 124 00:06:09,836 --> 00:06:12,202 Hello, Christina Osborne. 125 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,336 Well, we got CD's, we got one, two, three t-shirts, 126 00:06:18,644 --> 00:06:22,171 make-up kit, socks and underwear. 127 00:06:23,416 --> 00:06:25,281 Toothpaste and toothbrush? 128 00:06:26,953 --> 00:06:29,285 The LUDs for the Osborne's phone showed two calls 129 00:06:29,355 --> 00:06:31,983 to one of the girl's friends in Philly. Lori Summers. 130 00:06:32,058 --> 00:06:33,423 One call was a week ago. 131 00:06:33,493 --> 00:06:35,085 Second one was Thursday afternoon. 132 00:06:35,161 --> 00:06:36,560 The day before she was killed. 133 00:06:36,629 --> 00:06:37,653 A 20-minute call. 134 00:06:37,730 --> 00:06:39,163 Have you talked to Miss Summers? 135 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:42,759 We called. The mother said the girl's still in school, won't be home till dinner. 136 00:06:42,935 --> 00:06:45,699 Well, she'll probably be more talkative in person. 137 00:06:46,072 --> 00:06:47,300 In person? 138 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,471 What, you sending us down for cheese steaks? 139 00:06:49,909 --> 00:06:52,343 If you bring me back some scrapple. 140 00:06:56,749 --> 00:07:00,480 We just talked about stuff, you know, like school and boys. 141 00:07:00,553 --> 00:07:02,748 Just stuff. 142 00:07:03,656 --> 00:07:06,716 If you don't mind, Mrs. Summers, we'd like to talk to Lori alone. 143 00:07:11,230 --> 00:07:12,322 Lori, 144 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:16,926 if you want to help us find the people who did this to Christina, 145 00:07:17,003 --> 00:07:18,664 you're gonna have to tell us everything. 146 00:07:19,038 --> 00:07:21,131 Even things that she asked you to keep secret. 147 00:07:22,175 --> 00:07:24,075 Did she tell you she was going to run away? 148 00:07:25,311 --> 00:07:26,972 She wasn't running away. 149 00:07:27,313 --> 00:07:28,473 Then where was she going? 150 00:07:29,482 --> 00:07:31,507 She could just be so dumb sometimes. 151 00:07:31,784 --> 00:07:32,808 What do you mean? 152 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:36,682 She said she was going to this big party out in the sticks, on a farm, 153 00:07:36,756 --> 00:07:37,916 with these friends she made. 154 00:07:38,991 --> 00:07:41,619 She wanted me to meet her and she sent me this flyer. 155 00:07:42,895 --> 00:07:45,056 I couldn't believe it. She didn't have a clue. 156 00:07:45,832 --> 00:07:47,060 A clue about what? 157 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:52,961 That's what she sent me. 158 00:07:53,039 --> 00:07:54,404 Nuremberg, Pennsylvania. 159 00:07:54,474 --> 00:07:56,533 I told her I wouldn't go. I'm Jewish. 160 00:07:57,076 --> 00:07:58,668 And what'd she say? 161 00:07:59,245 --> 00:08:01,975 She didn't get it. She just wanted me to meet her dumb friends. 162 00:08:05,918 --> 00:08:07,249 It's not possible. 163 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,845 My daughter wouldn't get mixed up with creeps like this. 164 00:08:09,922 --> 00:08:11,981 Didn't sound like she knew what she was getting into. 165 00:08:12,058 --> 00:08:13,787 Any idea who these friends might've been? 166 00:08:14,260 --> 00:08:15,420 Nazis? 167 00:08:16,162 --> 00:08:17,686 Nobody jumps out. 168 00:08:18,664 --> 00:08:20,996 Uh, let me check something here. 169 00:08:21,567 --> 00:08:23,899 See, that's printed on special-order stock. 170 00:08:24,303 --> 00:08:27,932 Last month I did a job with the same kind of paper. 171 00:08:28,341 --> 00:08:29,569 Same color. 172 00:08:30,643 --> 00:08:33,009 I had five reams left over. Now I have four. 173 00:08:33,746 --> 00:08:35,611 Could one of your employees have printed this? 174 00:08:36,415 --> 00:08:38,645 It had to be on an evening I wasn't here. 175 00:08:39,285 --> 00:08:40,616 Could be Jessica Buell. 176 00:08:40,686 --> 00:08:43,780 She works part-time and I've seen her talking with Christina. 177 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:46,885 So I talked to her, big deal. 178 00:08:46,959 --> 00:08:49,325 She's my boss's daughter. I'm not gonna be rude to her. 179 00:08:49,395 --> 00:08:50,794 You see her last Friday? 180 00:08:50,863 --> 00:08:52,490 When she was killed? 181 00:08:52,732 --> 00:08:54,199 No. I was at school. 182 00:08:54,267 --> 00:08:55,461 I go to Queens Vocational. 183 00:08:55,535 --> 00:08:56,627 And last weekend? 184 00:08:56,702 --> 00:08:58,135 I was at my boyfriend's. Why're you asking? 185 00:08:58,204 --> 00:08:59,831 We're busybodies. 186 00:09:00,039 --> 00:09:01,597 What's your boyfriend's name and address? 187 00:09:01,941 --> 00:09:02,930 Derek Harland. 188 00:09:03,175 --> 00:09:05,075 13516th Avenue. 189 00:09:05,144 --> 00:09:06,270 In Whitestone. 190 00:09:06,412 --> 00:09:07,470 I was there all weekend. 191 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:09,538 Oh, yeah? What'd your parents say about that? 192 00:09:10,016 --> 00:09:11,574 My dad's driving a truck in Arizona. 193 00:09:11,651 --> 00:09:13,710 My mother works a double shift at Brightman's. 194 00:09:13,786 --> 00:09:15,583 They got other things to worry about. 195 00:09:16,022 --> 00:09:17,148 I gotta go, okay? 196 00:09:18,758 --> 00:09:21,124 Me and Jessie stayed in bed the whole weekend. 197 00:09:22,428 --> 00:09:23,690 Except for going to the can. 198 00:09:23,763 --> 00:09:25,993 No road trips to Pennsylvania? 199 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:27,730 We had our own party going. 200 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,324 What about Friday morning? 201 00:09:29,835 --> 00:09:32,065 I did stuff for my moms. 202 00:09:32,371 --> 00:09:34,862 Like I gotta take her to do the laundry right now. 203 00:09:35,575 --> 00:09:38,043 See? You got her all worried about me now. 204 00:09:38,411 --> 00:09:39,400 For nothing. 205 00:09:42,582 --> 00:09:45,483 Derek was here all weekend, with his girlfriend. 206 00:09:45,785 --> 00:09:47,252 They never went out once? 207 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,514 I don't know. 208 00:09:48,588 --> 00:09:50,613 I worked Saturday and Sunday at Target. 209 00:09:51,424 --> 00:09:52,482 Why? 210 00:09:52,558 --> 00:09:54,355 A young girl was hurt in the city. 211 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:56,892 Uh, where was he Friday morning? 212 00:09:57,330 --> 00:09:58,854 He did errands for me. 213 00:09:59,231 --> 00:10:00,391 He's a good kid. 214 00:10:00,533 --> 00:10:01,522 Sure. 215 00:10:01,601 --> 00:10:03,466 I'm gonna need a recent picture of him. 216 00:10:03,970 --> 00:10:05,835 I don't have any recent picture. 217 00:10:10,810 --> 00:10:12,471 Is everything all right, Mrs. Harland? 218 00:10:13,512 --> 00:10:15,173 Yeah, sure. 219 00:10:16,415 --> 00:10:18,007 And where's Mr. Harland? 220 00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:20,415 He's a merchant seaman. 221 00:10:21,087 --> 00:10:22,611 We're divorced, since Derek was nine. 222 00:10:23,356 --> 00:10:25,221 So it's just you and Derek, huh? 223 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:26,717 Yeah. 224 00:10:28,327 --> 00:10:30,420 You guys are a real pain in the ass. 225 00:10:32,164 --> 00:10:33,495 These aren't very good pictures. 226 00:10:33,566 --> 00:10:35,431 Yes or no, Mr. Zarkin? 227 00:10:35,601 --> 00:10:37,466 Okay, no. 228 00:10:38,437 --> 00:10:39,734 Thanks a bunch. 229 00:10:39,805 --> 00:10:41,966 Last Friday, around noon or 1:00, 230 00:10:42,041 --> 00:10:44,134 they might've put something in that dumpster over there. 231 00:10:44,210 --> 00:10:46,940 Oh, I saw some kids, about three or four of them getting into a van. 232 00:10:47,013 --> 00:10:48,037 What kind of van? 233 00:10:48,114 --> 00:10:49,809 Well, it was black, with a skull on it. 234 00:10:49,882 --> 00:10:51,611 It didn't look like a Good Humor truck. 235 00:10:51,684 --> 00:10:53,151 All right, thanks. 236 00:10:53,719 --> 00:10:55,710 Get a warrant, hook up Derek's van... 237 00:10:57,523 --> 00:11:01,152 There weren't any fibers or fluids in the van we could trace back to the victim. 238 00:11:01,627 --> 00:11:04,824 I found vegetative debris that could've come from any city park. 239 00:11:04,930 --> 00:11:06,557 Still waiting for the good news. 240 00:11:07,066 --> 00:11:10,365 I found the remains of various insects on the radiator grille. 241 00:11:11,470 --> 00:11:14,439 Including three fresh specimens of the Papaipema Moth. 242 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,501 This is very exciting. 243 00:11:16,709 --> 00:11:18,370 Oh, we can hardly contain ourselves. 244 00:11:19,245 --> 00:11:21,611 The Papaipema Moth is found in only five counties 245 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:23,273 in eastern Pennsylvania, 246 00:11:23,349 --> 00:11:24,611 near Hickory Run Park. 247 00:11:25,651 --> 00:11:28,245 Didn't your suspect say he wasn't in Pennsylvania? 248 00:11:28,954 --> 00:11:32,321 Well, maybe this bug took a wrong turn on the interstate. 249 00:11:32,391 --> 00:11:34,518 You took a wrong turn, Derek. 250 00:11:34,593 --> 00:11:35,890 You lied to us. 251 00:11:35,961 --> 00:11:39,089 A witness made and your van on Franklin Street Friday. 252 00:11:39,465 --> 00:11:40,625 Wasn't me. 253 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:42,327 Oh, it was you, all right. 254 00:11:42,401 --> 00:11:45,837 You and your friends killed Christina, then you ditched her knapsack, 255 00:11:46,005 --> 00:11:48,599 then you drove off to your little Nazi hoedown. 256 00:11:49,308 --> 00:11:51,708 I was in Queens. You ask my moms. 257 00:11:52,445 --> 00:11:55,278 Does that make you feel like a big man, having your mommy lie for you like that? 258 00:11:55,448 --> 00:11:56,608 Shut up! 259 00:11:57,850 --> 00:11:59,647 You better sit your ass down, kid. 260 00:12:01,620 --> 00:12:04,020 My house, my rules, now, sit down! 261 00:12:04,090 --> 00:12:05,614 Hell with you! 262 00:12:05,691 --> 00:12:07,556 I want a lawyer! Now! 263 00:12:12,231 --> 00:12:13,664 He was home all weekend. 264 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:14,959 That's all there is to that. 265 00:12:15,768 --> 00:12:17,395 He's got one hell of a temper. 266 00:12:17,837 --> 00:12:19,361 Gets it from his father. 267 00:12:19,972 --> 00:12:22,532 He damn near broke the table in the interrogation room. 268 00:12:23,509 --> 00:12:25,374 He do that at home a lot? 269 00:12:25,444 --> 00:12:26,433 Hit things? 270 00:12:30,449 --> 00:12:31,438 He hit you? 271 00:12:32,985 --> 00:12:34,350 If I get in the way. 272 00:12:34,987 --> 00:12:36,648 He always been like this? 273 00:12:38,057 --> 00:12:39,490 He's gotten worse. 274 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:41,787 Do you want to help him? 275 00:12:46,432 --> 00:12:48,491 She was just 16. 276 00:12:49,869 --> 00:12:53,202 She was supposed to go with Derek and his friends to Pennsylvania. 277 00:12:53,506 --> 00:12:54,803 But something happened. 278 00:13:01,013 --> 00:13:02,412 He left Friday morning. 279 00:13:03,048 --> 00:13:04,640 I didn't see him till Monday. 280 00:13:04,950 --> 00:13:06,474 What about his friends? 281 00:13:07,086 --> 00:13:08,849 I heard Derek tell someone on the phone 282 00:13:08,921 --> 00:13:11,116 they're still on that farm in Pennsylvania. 283 00:13:13,959 --> 00:13:15,620 They're just like him. 284 00:13:16,428 --> 00:13:18,089 They scare the hell out of me. 285 00:13:35,281 --> 00:13:36,270 Earl Burnett? 286 00:13:37,116 --> 00:13:38,242 He's back at the house. 287 00:13:38,951 --> 00:13:40,919 Tell him Frank Shepard of the State Police is here 288 00:13:40,986 --> 00:13:43,250 to execute a New York State arrest warrant 289 00:13:43,322 --> 00:13:44,755 for four juveniles. 290 00:13:45,191 --> 00:13:46,488 Their names are on the warrant. 291 00:13:47,993 --> 00:13:49,927 If Mr. Burnett refuses to turn them over, 292 00:13:49,995 --> 00:13:52,623 I'm authorized to come on his property and look for them. 293 00:13:53,299 --> 00:13:56,632 And to seize anything else I might find in violation of State regulations, 294 00:13:58,003 --> 00:13:59,595 including that modified AK. 295 00:14:08,848 --> 00:14:10,816 Take a seat. Keep your mouths shut. 296 00:14:11,784 --> 00:14:13,513 Train back to New York leaves in half an hour. 297 00:14:13,586 --> 00:14:15,747 Back to their mommies and daddies and lawyers. 298 00:14:15,821 --> 00:14:17,846 I might have to break the speed limit 299 00:14:17,923 --> 00:14:19,322 getting you guys to the station. 300 00:14:19,391 --> 00:14:20,824 We wouldn't want you to do that. 301 00:14:20,893 --> 00:14:22,588 Uh, when's the next train? 302 00:14:22,795 --> 00:14:24,194 Three hours. 303 00:14:24,496 --> 00:14:25,690 You got some coffee? 304 00:14:28,133 --> 00:14:29,623 That's a load of crap! 305 00:14:30,035 --> 00:14:31,900 Derek wouldn't talk to you. 306 00:14:32,404 --> 00:14:34,998 Then who told us where to find you? An 8-Ball? 307 00:14:35,074 --> 00:14:36,632 He put all the weight on you. 308 00:14:36,709 --> 00:14:38,836 He's selling that, and the DA's buying it. 309 00:14:38,911 --> 00:14:41,436 Load of crap. Derek's my white brother. 310 00:14:41,513 --> 00:14:44,311 Oh, and I'm sure he'll come visit you every other Sunday. 311 00:14:44,383 --> 00:14:45,748 Now you got two hours, Phillip. 312 00:14:45,818 --> 00:14:48,048 Once we get on that train, we stop listening. 313 00:14:48,187 --> 00:14:49,882 That's just a load, man! 314 00:14:50,489 --> 00:14:52,616 I ain't listening to this beaner anymore! 315 00:15:12,578 --> 00:15:14,068 You! In here. Let's go. 316 00:15:15,648 --> 00:15:17,616 Let's hang fire on these humps. 317 00:15:17,683 --> 00:15:19,617 I got a feeling about the last kid, Stymons. 318 00:15:19,685 --> 00:15:21,209 I think he's a bleeder. 319 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:26,016 Uh, Peter Stymons. 320 00:15:26,959 --> 00:15:29,120 Your ID card says you're 18. 321 00:15:29,395 --> 00:15:30,987 You know what that means, don't you? 322 00:15:31,163 --> 00:15:32,152 What? 323 00:15:32,364 --> 00:15:34,298 Adult correctional facility. 324 00:15:34,667 --> 00:15:36,134 Sing Sing, Attica. 325 00:15:36,201 --> 00:15:38,499 Your buddies will be going to juvie hall. 326 00:15:38,671 --> 00:15:39,729 It's like summer camp. 327 00:15:40,606 --> 00:15:43,200 You don't have much time to help yourself. 328 00:15:43,542 --> 00:15:46,443 We can't control what happens when we get to New York. 329 00:15:46,512 --> 00:15:47,570 You understand? 330 00:15:50,549 --> 00:15:52,881 You want to tell us what you all did to Christina? 331 00:15:53,252 --> 00:15:54,617 Come on, kid. 332 00:15:54,687 --> 00:15:57,713 You show us some respect and we'll look out for you, okay? 333 00:16:02,761 --> 00:16:05,628 Forget it, Lennie. Kid doesn't even respect himself. 334 00:16:06,865 --> 00:16:08,799 Derek's girlfriend, Jessica, 335 00:16:09,368 --> 00:16:11,393 told her to meet us in the park. 336 00:16:12,037 --> 00:16:13,800 Derek hit her first, with the pipe. 337 00:16:14,506 --> 00:16:15,837 We all hit her. 338 00:16:16,008 --> 00:16:17,669 We hung her up, we must've hit her a hundred times. 339 00:16:17,743 --> 00:16:18,767 We wanted her dead. 340 00:16:18,844 --> 00:16:20,709 Why? Wasn't she one of you? 341 00:16:21,914 --> 00:16:23,313 She ratted on us. 342 00:16:23,716 --> 00:16:25,843 She told her Jew friend we were going to the farm. 343 00:16:26,185 --> 00:16:28,050 She was gonna tell everything. We had to shut her up. 344 00:16:28,887 --> 00:16:30,377 What everything? 345 00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:32,989 The stuff we do. 346 00:16:33,859 --> 00:16:36,692 We stomp fags and kikes and niggers, man. 347 00:16:37,563 --> 00:16:39,190 We kick ass for the white race. 348 00:16:42,134 --> 00:16:44,398 Don't look so pleased with yourself. 349 00:16:50,943 --> 00:16:52,433 They plead not guilty, Your Honor. 350 00:16:52,511 --> 00:16:55,036 The People intend to try each of the defendants as an adult. 351 00:16:55,114 --> 00:16:56,411 And we ask for remand. 352 00:16:56,482 --> 00:16:59,349 Your Honor... They killed a 16-year-old girl 353 00:16:59,418 --> 00:17:01,943 with a viciousness rarely seen in this jurisdiction. 354 00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:04,012 Four of the defendants escaped to Pennsylvania. 355 00:17:04,089 --> 00:17:06,216 They're all being investigated for other hate crimes... 356 00:17:06,291 --> 00:17:08,384 Got it, Miss Carmichael. Bail's denied. 357 00:17:08,460 --> 00:17:11,156 Your Honor, pursuant to CPL 210.43, 358 00:17:11,230 --> 00:17:14,529 I request the case against Peter Stymons be removed to family court. 359 00:17:15,434 --> 00:17:17,231 Why? Mr. Stymons is 18. 360 00:17:17,302 --> 00:17:19,395 As a matter of fact, he turned 15 last month. 361 00:17:19,471 --> 00:17:21,939 His parents are here with his birth certificate. 362 00:17:24,176 --> 00:17:25,609 This looks in order, Miss Carmichael. 363 00:17:25,677 --> 00:17:27,372 I don't see how the People can object. 364 00:17:27,846 --> 00:17:30,337 Peter Stymons is remanded to the juvenile authorities. 365 00:17:32,651 --> 00:17:34,778 Motion to suppress Peter Stymons' statement. 366 00:17:35,354 --> 00:17:36,651 He's underage. 367 00:17:36,722 --> 00:17:38,019 Police shouldn't have talked to him. 368 00:17:39,291 --> 00:17:40,815 The cops check his age? 369 00:17:41,293 --> 00:17:43,693 The kid was carrying a fake ID that said he was 18. 370 00:17:43,796 --> 00:17:45,127 The kid is out of luck. 371 00:17:45,464 --> 00:17:47,489 The cops made a good faith mistake. 372 00:17:47,599 --> 00:17:49,032 Then I won't worry about it. 373 00:17:49,735 --> 00:17:53,694 US attorney called to ask if there's a civil rights prosecution here. 374 00:17:53,772 --> 00:17:56,366 Far as we can tell, this wasn't a bias crime. 375 00:17:56,575 --> 00:17:58,065 The victim was one of their own. 376 00:17:58,143 --> 00:18:00,577 What's the matter, they run out of people to hate? 377 00:18:02,247 --> 00:18:04,477 Mr. Stymons had what looked like a valid ID 378 00:18:04,550 --> 00:18:07,883 that gave his age as 18. You can't penalize the police for his subterfuge. 379 00:18:07,953 --> 00:18:10,945 Phony ID? Isn't the drinking age 21? 380 00:18:11,023 --> 00:18:13,150 My client told me he needed the ID to buy cigarettes. 381 00:18:13,225 --> 00:18:16,217 Well, let me give him another reason to stop smoking. 382 00:18:16,495 --> 00:18:18,690 I'm gonna deny the motion, Miss Caldwell. 383 00:18:18,764 --> 00:18:20,459 There's more to it than a fake ID. 384 00:18:20,532 --> 00:18:23,126 Instead of following procedure and taking my client back to New York 385 00:18:23,202 --> 00:18:24,601 on the first available train, 386 00:18:24,670 --> 00:18:26,695 the police held him in Pennsylvania for three hours. 387 00:18:26,772 --> 00:18:29,036 Your Honor, there could be 100 legitimate reasons 388 00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:30,473 why they took a later train. 389 00:18:30,642 --> 00:18:31,631 Prove one. 390 00:18:32,277 --> 00:18:34,609 Did the police give you a reason, Mr. McCoy? 391 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,772 No. 392 00:18:36,682 --> 00:18:40,550 I'm sorry. I can't bend backwards that far anymore. 393 00:18:40,752 --> 00:18:42,276 The statement's out. 394 00:18:44,156 --> 00:18:46,556 So now you can't use the statement against any of them? 395 00:18:46,925 --> 00:18:48,290 That's exactly right. 396 00:18:49,228 --> 00:18:51,788 I hope you can pull this one out of the crapper. 397 00:18:51,997 --> 00:18:54,727 Any prints on the murder weapons, the pipe, the rocks? 398 00:18:55,234 --> 00:18:56,633 Nothing useable. 399 00:18:56,702 --> 00:18:58,294 What about the clothes the kids were wearing? 400 00:18:58,470 --> 00:19:00,495 No fibers or fluids from Christina. 401 00:19:00,572 --> 00:19:01,596 What are you saying? 402 00:19:01,673 --> 00:19:04,574 The police department is no match for six mouth-breathing skinheads? 403 00:19:04,910 --> 00:19:05,899 We got one lead. 404 00:19:05,978 --> 00:19:08,845 Forensics tracked down the manufacturer of the choke chain. 405 00:19:08,914 --> 00:19:10,142 They're supposed to get back to us 406 00:19:10,215 --> 00:19:11,978 with the name of their wholesaler in the Northeast. 407 00:19:12,351 --> 00:19:13,477 Why don't you get back to them? 408 00:19:20,459 --> 00:19:23,986 The girl from the pet store where you bought the chain remembered you. 409 00:19:24,596 --> 00:19:27,087 She remembered you told her your dog's name was Derek. 410 00:19:27,299 --> 00:19:29,859 You know damn well she had nothing to do with it. 411 00:19:30,235 --> 00:19:33,136 You have a dozen witnesses who saw her at Queens Vocational 412 00:19:33,205 --> 00:19:34,729 at the time of the murder. 413 00:19:34,806 --> 00:19:36,831 And we have her fingerprints in the van. 414 00:19:37,142 --> 00:19:40,009 Her lies to the police, her buying the chain 415 00:19:40,078 --> 00:19:42,012 and luring Christina to the park. 416 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,809 Your friends may have delivered the death blows, 417 00:19:43,882 --> 00:19:45,213 but you conspired with them. 418 00:19:45,284 --> 00:19:46,945 But I didn't know. Jessica, hold on. 419 00:19:50,689 --> 00:19:52,350 She'll plead to obstruction. 420 00:19:52,791 --> 00:19:54,691 She denies any foreknowledge of the murder. 421 00:19:55,194 --> 00:19:57,492 That's it? I want names. I want testimony. 422 00:19:57,696 --> 00:19:58,788 Let's hear it. 423 00:20:04,903 --> 00:20:07,770 Christina was asking all kinds of questions, about what we were doing. 424 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,067 She said she was gonna tell her dad. 425 00:20:10,142 --> 00:20:11,666 I told her forget that. 426 00:20:12,277 --> 00:20:13,904 I told her if she wanted to be our friend 427 00:20:14,179 --> 00:20:15,737 she had to come out to the farm. 428 00:20:16,548 --> 00:20:18,140 I told her Derek was gonna pick her up. 429 00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:19,980 And what were you planning to do with her? 430 00:20:20,085 --> 00:20:21,416 Just take her to the farm, 431 00:20:21,753 --> 00:20:23,846 you know, scare her, to shut her up. 432 00:20:24,957 --> 00:20:27,187 After Derek came to pick me up with the others, 433 00:20:27,626 --> 00:20:29,184 he told me what they did to her. 434 00:20:30,128 --> 00:20:31,322 I couldn't believe it. 435 00:20:32,030 --> 00:20:34,464 You know, she just wanted to be our friend. 436 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:36,891 Derek said Willis told him he had to, 437 00:20:37,302 --> 00:20:39,133 we had to get rid of traitors. 438 00:20:39,438 --> 00:20:40,427 Who's Willis? 439 00:20:41,540 --> 00:20:42,529 Tom Willis. 440 00:20:43,175 --> 00:20:45,541 Derek hangs out at his place in Commack all the time. 441 00:20:45,844 --> 00:20:47,106 A lot of skins go there. 442 00:20:47,412 --> 00:20:49,642 He's on the Internet, he has a newspaper. 443 00:20:50,182 --> 00:20:51,979 He's what? A white supremacist? 444 00:20:53,652 --> 00:20:55,813 He's just down for his race, that's all. You know... 445 00:20:56,888 --> 00:20:59,584 White pride, worldwide. 446 00:21:03,862 --> 00:21:05,989 Jessica don't know what she's talking about. 447 00:21:06,898 --> 00:21:08,126 Christina never showed up. 448 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,428 Derek, now is not the time... 449 00:21:09,501 --> 00:21:11,093 Oh, hell, yeah, now's the time. 450 00:21:11,169 --> 00:21:12,727 Jessica's a lying bitch! 451 00:21:13,405 --> 00:21:15,373 So you never heard of Tom Willis? 452 00:21:17,342 --> 00:21:18,934 You're damn right I heard of him. 453 00:21:19,011 --> 00:21:20,478 You do what he tells you to? 454 00:21:20,812 --> 00:21:23,144 He tells white people to respect ourselves, 455 00:21:23,582 --> 00:21:25,277 to respect our kind. 456 00:21:26,218 --> 00:21:28,743 He talks the truth about white America. 457 00:21:28,987 --> 00:21:32,013 He tells us God meant for white people 458 00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:34,320 to have dominance over all the beasts! 459 00:21:34,393 --> 00:21:35,485 Mr. Harland! 460 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,892 He tells us the white race will never die out! 461 00:21:37,963 --> 00:21:39,863 So to hell with all you punk-ass lawyers... 462 00:21:39,931 --> 00:21:41,831 Mr. Morrison, if your client doesn't shut up... 463 00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:43,834 What kind of a white man are you? 464 00:21:43,902 --> 00:21:45,563 You work for the Jews! 465 00:21:46,071 --> 00:21:47,060 Guard. 466 00:21:48,373 --> 00:21:50,034 I want Tom Willis. 467 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:56,440 Detective Price from the intelligence unit thinks he can help us. 468 00:21:56,682 --> 00:21:59,310 Raymond Stoller is facing 10 years mandatory 469 00:21:59,384 --> 00:22:01,284 in a second offense weapons possession. 470 00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:03,720 He knows Mr. Willis, 471 00:22:04,056 --> 00:22:05,182 he's been to his meetings, 472 00:22:05,857 --> 00:22:08,621 and he's willing to help in return for consideration. 473 00:22:09,461 --> 00:22:11,053 Now we think he can deliver. 474 00:22:11,396 --> 00:22:13,489 Deliver what exactly? 475 00:22:13,565 --> 00:22:15,760 An incriminating statement by Mr. Willis. 476 00:22:16,568 --> 00:22:17,899 What? He's gonna wear a wire? 477 00:22:17,969 --> 00:22:19,197 No wire. 478 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:20,862 I don't aim on getting killed. 479 00:22:20,939 --> 00:22:22,873 His word against Willis'? 480 00:22:23,608 --> 00:22:24,700 That'll impress the jury. 481 00:22:24,776 --> 00:22:26,801 I want a cop with him, to witness the statement. 482 00:22:26,878 --> 00:22:27,970 I'm cool with that. 483 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,504 Who? 484 00:22:29,915 --> 00:22:32,008 Not you, Pancho. 485 00:22:33,151 --> 00:22:34,709 Or the soul sister. 486 00:22:36,722 --> 00:22:38,781 Hey, I wasn't gonna volunteer anyway. 487 00:22:45,664 --> 00:22:47,564 Mo, can you come in here? 488 00:22:48,133 --> 00:22:50,363 This is Detective Morris LaMotte. 489 00:22:52,738 --> 00:22:53,762 What? 490 00:22:57,309 --> 00:22:58,298 Perfect. 491 00:23:14,192 --> 00:23:15,216 Hey, Tom. 492 00:23:15,293 --> 00:23:16,817 Ricky. Long time. 493 00:23:16,895 --> 00:23:17,884 I want you to meet a buddy of mine. 494 00:23:18,063 --> 00:23:19,655 Brian, this is Tom Willis. 495 00:23:19,731 --> 00:23:20,755 Hey. 496 00:23:20,832 --> 00:23:22,595 Rick fill you in on the program? Yeah. 497 00:23:22,667 --> 00:23:23,656 Like what you see? 498 00:23:23,735 --> 00:23:24,827 Oh yeah, so far. 499 00:23:25,771 --> 00:23:27,102 How are your legal problems? 500 00:23:27,339 --> 00:23:28,499 Going inside. 501 00:23:28,573 --> 00:23:29,801 You got friends there. 502 00:23:29,875 --> 00:23:32,139 Including the five skins just got popped for killing that girl. 503 00:23:32,711 --> 00:23:33,871 You hear about that? Oh, yeah. 504 00:23:34,679 --> 00:23:35,668 Oh, you know them? 505 00:23:35,747 --> 00:23:37,544 Could be, could be. 506 00:23:37,983 --> 00:23:40,178 Get yourselves another beer. I'll talk to you later. 507 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:50,160 Willis rope-a-doped us all night. 508 00:23:50,228 --> 00:23:52,423 But, uh, it wasn't all a waste a time. 509 00:23:53,632 --> 00:23:55,361 I bought one of his tapes. 510 00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:00,969 White people have got their work cut out. 511 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,009 We got the Jews and the mud people out to destroy us. 512 00:24:06,778 --> 00:24:10,407 We got these sexual deviants infecting our country with their immorality. 513 00:24:11,917 --> 00:24:16,013 White people have got to be prepared for technological, barbaric warfare. 514 00:24:16,087 --> 00:24:17,418 It could happen tomorrow... 515 00:24:17,489 --> 00:24:20,185 Nice crowd shot. ... it could happen today. 516 00:24:23,829 --> 00:24:25,387 There were more tapes like this one? 517 00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:27,625 I was told the guy records all his speeches. 518 00:24:27,699 --> 00:24:29,997 Derek Harland and his pals might be on one of the tapes. 519 00:24:30,068 --> 00:24:32,935 If it shows them with Willis, it might corroborate Jessica's story. 520 00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:35,133 Let's get a warrant for these tapes, 521 00:24:35,574 --> 00:24:36,802 and one for Willis. 522 00:24:36,875 --> 00:24:37,967 What charge? 523 00:24:38,577 --> 00:24:40,101 Detective LaMotte said, 524 00:24:40,812 --> 00:24:43,110 he saw alcohol being served to minors. 525 00:24:44,983 --> 00:24:46,575 Before my very eyes. 526 00:24:49,888 --> 00:24:51,879 Everybody's welcome at my house. 527 00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:53,753 Every white body. 528 00:24:54,326 --> 00:24:57,989 We got sodas, hot dogs. Weekends, people bring their families. 529 00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:59,522 But I never met these kids. 530 00:24:59,598 --> 00:25:01,623 And what about Christina Osborne? 531 00:25:01,933 --> 00:25:02,922 You ever hear of her? 532 00:25:03,068 --> 00:25:06,037 Is she one of the minors I allegedly served beer to? 533 00:25:06,204 --> 00:25:09,970 No. She's the 16-year-old girl your stormtroopers beat and strangled. 534 00:25:10,108 --> 00:25:11,268 Let's get one thing straight. 535 00:25:12,143 --> 00:25:13,633 I don't have stormtroopers. 536 00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:16,010 I don't have members. I don't have an organization. 537 00:25:16,081 --> 00:25:18,140 I put out a newsletter. I receive contributions. 538 00:25:18,216 --> 00:25:20,514 You preach violence and hate to a bunch of skinheads. 539 00:25:20,585 --> 00:25:24,077 I tell white Aryan people to stand up for their God-given rights. 540 00:25:24,756 --> 00:25:28,089 A little Nazi philosophy along with their beer and pretzels? 541 00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:30,620 You got your opinion. I got mine. 542 00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:33,925 Now, can I just pay my $2 and go? 543 00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:35,966 ...gotta stand up for themselves! 544 00:25:40,171 --> 00:25:41,433 Anything? 545 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,609 Yeah. Detective LaMotte's getting real good with the remote. 546 00:25:45,010 --> 00:25:47,410 Can we just skip the formalities and shoot Willis? 547 00:25:47,512 --> 00:25:48,501 There. 548 00:25:50,181 --> 00:25:51,443 Isn't that Harland? 549 00:25:55,654 --> 00:25:57,849 Shaking hands with Willis on the left? 550 00:25:59,457 --> 00:26:01,516 This was shot four months ago. 551 00:26:01,826 --> 00:26:02,815 It's not enough. 552 00:26:03,028 --> 00:26:06,429 It's personal contact between conspirators. It's corroborative evidence. 553 00:26:07,899 --> 00:26:10,390 It corroborates that Willis is a friendly guy. 554 00:26:11,102 --> 00:26:12,091 I'm sorry, guys. 555 00:26:12,771 --> 00:26:15,535 We have no evidence of an agreement between Willis and Harland, 556 00:26:15,974 --> 00:26:19,671 no evidence of an overt act by Willis in furtherance of the conspiracy. 557 00:26:21,179 --> 00:26:22,806 We have to bounce him. 558 00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:26,907 Get up, Adolf. 559 00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:29,580 The name's Willis. 560 00:26:29,654 --> 00:26:33,420 Whatever. You'll be given a summons for violation of section 65 561 00:26:33,491 --> 00:26:35,584 of the Alcoholic Beverage Control Act. 562 00:26:35,860 --> 00:26:37,122 Then you can go. 563 00:26:37,195 --> 00:26:38,184 Free at last. 564 00:26:39,064 --> 00:26:40,122 Free at last. 565 00:26:40,432 --> 00:26:42,923 Thank God Almighty I'm free at last. 566 00:26:47,772 --> 00:26:49,137 Forget about Willis. 567 00:26:49,774 --> 00:26:52,208 You have your hands full with those mixed-up kids. 568 00:26:52,744 --> 00:26:55,440 Willis is the fountainhead of their brilliant behavior. 569 00:26:55,513 --> 00:26:56,502 Nice rhetoric. 570 00:26:57,015 --> 00:27:00,473 Can you prove that he had direct involvement in the girl's death? 571 00:27:00,719 --> 00:27:01,743 No. 572 00:27:02,053 --> 00:27:04,078 By the way, how is that murder case? 573 00:27:04,389 --> 00:27:06,721 We have the choke chain purchased by Harland's girlfriend. 574 00:27:06,791 --> 00:27:07,849 Inconclusive. 575 00:27:07,926 --> 00:27:10,019 She bought a chain, not the chain. 576 00:27:10,095 --> 00:27:11,926 We have Harland's admission to his girlfriend. 577 00:27:11,997 --> 00:27:13,055 Very conclusive. 578 00:27:13,131 --> 00:27:15,929 From a witness whose credibility is unassailable? 579 00:27:17,102 --> 00:27:18,592 Not out of the woods yet. 580 00:27:22,741 --> 00:27:24,709 We need to turn one more kid. 581 00:27:25,677 --> 00:27:27,508 There's that 15 year old, Peter Stymons. 582 00:27:27,579 --> 00:27:29,103 He talked once. He might talk again. 583 00:27:30,682 --> 00:27:34,083 I'm offering you a three-year minimum instead of nine. 584 00:27:34,152 --> 00:27:36,245 It means you don't go to adult prison. 585 00:27:36,421 --> 00:27:37,786 It's a good offer, Peter. 586 00:27:40,225 --> 00:27:41,658 I don't know. My Aryan brothers are gonna... 587 00:27:41,726 --> 00:27:43,125 Shut up with that crap! 588 00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:47,294 My old man took a bullet fighting the Nazis. 589 00:27:47,899 --> 00:27:51,130 I'll be damned if his grandson is gonna stand up for that garbage. 590 00:27:51,403 --> 00:27:53,496 Peter, please, do what they want. 591 00:28:00,078 --> 00:28:01,067 Okay. 592 00:28:01,146 --> 00:28:02,636 You'll testify about the murder? 593 00:28:06,317 --> 00:28:09,252 Did Tom Willis tell you or Derek what to do with Christina? 594 00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:11,250 No. We never talked to him about her. 595 00:28:11,890 --> 00:28:14,984 But he always said, you can't put up with no traitors. You gotta get rid of them. 596 00:28:15,927 --> 00:28:19,055 You told the police you assaulted gays and other minorities. 597 00:28:19,731 --> 00:28:20,720 Mmm-hmm. 598 00:28:21,232 --> 00:28:23,029 Me and Derek and Jimmy Parnell. 599 00:28:23,668 --> 00:28:25,260 Who's Jimmy Parnell? 600 00:28:25,336 --> 00:28:27,361 He works with Mr. Willis, organizing and stuff. 601 00:28:27,872 --> 00:28:30,136 Him and us curbed a fag in the city. 602 00:28:31,609 --> 00:28:32,735 Curbed? 603 00:28:33,812 --> 00:28:36,906 Yeah, you know, break his jaw against the sidewalk. 604 00:28:38,983 --> 00:28:41,543 That's covered under the plea agreement, Mr. McCoy. 605 00:28:45,523 --> 00:28:47,753 That's right. That's what we like to see. 606 00:28:47,959 --> 00:28:50,894 White youth standing up for their race and not backing down. 607 00:28:50,962 --> 00:28:52,691 The police arrested Parnell. 608 00:28:52,931 --> 00:28:55,559 They matched his prints to another hate crime in Albany last year. 609 00:28:56,201 --> 00:28:57,964 Good. We might need him. 610 00:28:59,003 --> 00:29:00,129 Look at this. 611 00:29:01,439 --> 00:29:04,840 It's been great visiting with the young Hammerskins here in Brooklyn, 612 00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:09,203 getting out the message to kick ass on the homosexuals and Negros. 613 00:29:10,849 --> 00:29:12,783 How about you, son, you kick ass sometime? 614 00:29:12,984 --> 00:29:14,076 Uh, yeah. 615 00:29:14,152 --> 00:29:15,949 I bet you kick some ass about every day. 616 00:29:16,221 --> 00:29:17,415 Yes, sir. 617 00:29:17,489 --> 00:29:18,717 That's right. 618 00:29:18,790 --> 00:29:20,348 That's what we like to see. 619 00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:23,584 White youth standing up for their race and not backing down. 620 00:29:25,463 --> 00:29:26,725 White pride, worldwide. 621 00:29:26,798 --> 00:29:27,992 Yeah! 622 00:29:29,534 --> 00:29:31,263 It's disgusting. What's your point? 623 00:29:31,436 --> 00:29:34,166 Willis advocates hate and violence to a group of kids 624 00:29:34,239 --> 00:29:35,570 he knows are violent. 625 00:29:36,174 --> 00:29:38,768 He tells them to eliminate traitors. 626 00:29:39,744 --> 00:29:43,111 That makes him criminally responsible for Christina Osborne's death. 627 00:29:43,748 --> 00:29:46,273 Mmm. Without proof he conspired. 628 00:29:46,484 --> 00:29:48,247 I'm not charging him as a co-conspirator. 629 00:29:48,419 --> 00:29:50,387 I'm charging him as an accomplice. 630 00:29:51,356 --> 00:29:54,223 All I have to prove is that he commanded or caused them 631 00:29:54,292 --> 00:29:55,452 to kill Christina Osborne. 632 00:29:55,527 --> 00:29:58,758 Caused them how? With his lectures to a crowd? 633 00:29:58,863 --> 00:29:59,989 Yes. 634 00:30:00,064 --> 00:30:02,532 Isn't that free speech, covered by the First Amendment? 635 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,931 This isn't speech. 636 00:30:04,736 --> 00:30:06,533 These are commands to kill. 637 00:30:06,871 --> 00:30:08,634 Make out the arrest warrant. 638 00:30:10,942 --> 00:30:13,934 The Supreme Court said it 80 years ago, in Schenck v. US. 639 00:30:14,512 --> 00:30:18,004 The only question is whether the words create a clear and present danger 640 00:30:18,082 --> 00:30:19,743 that they'll cause substantive evils, 641 00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:21,285 which we have a right to prevent. 642 00:30:21,352 --> 00:30:24,014 And 50 years later, the Court refined the question. 643 00:30:24,088 --> 00:30:25,419 Whitney v. California. 644 00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:29,927 My client's words have to be likely to produce imminent lawless action. 645 00:30:30,128 --> 00:30:31,959 Which is what Mr. Willis was looking to do. 646 00:30:32,030 --> 00:30:35,363 In speech after speech, he exhorted violent teenagers 647 00:30:35,433 --> 00:30:38,630 to quote, "Attack Jews, Negros and homosexuals" 648 00:30:38,703 --> 00:30:42,901 and said, quote, "That any white person who disagrees with white power 649 00:30:42,974 --> 00:30:45,238 "is a traitor who has to be destroyed. " 650 00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:47,778 His words may be on the fringe of the First Amendment, 651 00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:49,006 but they are clearly protected. 652 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,571 My client was simply voicing his opinions. 653 00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:53,344 He was pulling the trigger till the gun fired. 654 00:30:53,418 --> 00:30:55,409 Your Honor, every Supreme Court ruling 655 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,580 that speech posed a clear and present danger involved treason. 656 00:30:58,756 --> 00:31:02,214 Mr. Willis is not advocating the violent overthrow of the government. 657 00:31:02,293 --> 00:31:05,660 The First Amendment is a living, evolving thing. 658 00:31:06,097 --> 00:31:08,861 The clear and present danger test was never meant to apply to treason 659 00:31:09,133 --> 00:31:10,930 to the exclusion of everything else. 660 00:31:12,770 --> 00:31:16,001 You must've mistaken me for a braver man, Mr. McCoy. 661 00:31:16,407 --> 00:31:20,503 I'm not about to race ahead of the Supreme Court on free speech. 662 00:31:20,578 --> 00:31:23,376 You're not. The court already affords less protection 663 00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:25,075 to speech that becomes conduct. 664 00:31:25,450 --> 00:31:28,044 Mr. Willis' words were exhortations 665 00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:29,484 that became commands. 666 00:31:29,554 --> 00:31:30,612 Commands are conduct... 667 00:31:30,688 --> 00:31:33,248 Uh, Your Honor, a command requires criminal intent, 668 00:31:33,324 --> 00:31:36,555 it also requires the expectation of the result offense. 669 00:31:36,628 --> 00:31:39,563 Which are facts for a jury to decide. 670 00:31:41,032 --> 00:31:43,296 Point well taken, Mr. McCoy. 671 00:31:43,501 --> 00:31:46,868 Mr. Latimer, I'm denying your motion to dismiss. 672 00:31:47,272 --> 00:31:48,500 See you at trial. 673 00:31:51,342 --> 00:31:53,333 Willis' crony Jimmy Parnell 674 00:31:53,811 --> 00:31:56,939 has agreed to testify in return for a plea on the gay-bashing. 675 00:31:57,415 --> 00:31:59,144 Ludwick, Bassett and Kneller 676 00:31:59,450 --> 00:32:02,078 have all pleaded to 15-to-life on murder two. 677 00:32:02,353 --> 00:32:03,342 Derek Harland? 678 00:32:03,988 --> 00:32:06,183 He won't talk to us. He's a lost cause. 679 00:32:06,824 --> 00:32:09,452 He figures being convicted alongside Willis 680 00:32:09,527 --> 00:32:10,994 will improve his standing in prison. 681 00:32:11,062 --> 00:32:13,997 Or he hopes the jury'll be so distracted 682 00:32:14,065 --> 00:32:16,431 by your assault on the First Amendment, 683 00:32:16,501 --> 00:32:17,729 they'll forget to convict him. 684 00:32:17,802 --> 00:32:19,929 You think what Willis did is protected speech? 685 00:32:20,238 --> 00:32:22,706 I nearly resigned from the ACLU 686 00:32:22,774 --> 00:32:25,709 when they defended that racist march in Skokie. 687 00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:26,799 Nearly. 688 00:32:27,178 --> 00:32:28,839 I never joined the ACLU. 689 00:32:29,213 --> 00:32:30,942 But I still think what you're doing is dangerous. 690 00:32:31,015 --> 00:32:34,746 Holding an extreme racist liable for a crime he inspired? 691 00:32:34,819 --> 00:32:37,617 Maybe you think he has the right to yell fire in a crowded theater. 692 00:32:37,722 --> 00:32:39,747 I can quote Oliver Wendell Holmes, too. 693 00:32:40,391 --> 00:32:43,792 The ultimate good is better reached by free trade in ideas. 694 00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:45,959 The government shouldn't interfere. 695 00:32:46,564 --> 00:32:48,054 I'm with Hugo Black on this. 696 00:32:48,132 --> 00:32:49,759 First Amendment guarantees are absolute. 697 00:32:49,834 --> 00:32:51,096 Except for conduct. 698 00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:54,764 Even Justice Black didn't think that defacing the flag was protected speech. 699 00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:56,830 Willis' speeches aren't conduct. 700 00:32:56,908 --> 00:33:00,844 His audiences are 15, 16, 17 years old. 701 00:33:01,446 --> 00:33:04,415 We already restrict speech directed at minors. 702 00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:08,274 Cigarette advertising, pornography. Why not hate messages? 703 00:33:10,088 --> 00:33:13,251 You can wring your hands all you want to. I'm putting Willis out of business. 704 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:25,669 Mr. Willis told us that there was gonna be a racial holy war. 705 00:33:25,737 --> 00:33:27,864 And the white Aryan people had to get ready for it. 706 00:33:27,972 --> 00:33:29,234 What else did he tell you? 707 00:33:30,108 --> 00:33:33,305 Uh, he said that there were traitors everywhere and we had to get rid of them. 708 00:33:34,345 --> 00:33:35,505 And you believed what he told you? 709 00:33:36,381 --> 00:33:37,370 Yes, sir. 710 00:33:37,715 --> 00:33:39,239 I thought about it all the time. 711 00:33:39,650 --> 00:33:42,483 Did you discuss these views with your parents 712 00:33:42,553 --> 00:33:43,815 or with friends who weren't skinheads? 713 00:33:44,889 --> 00:33:45,913 No, sir. 714 00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:49,489 Mr. Willis said don't trust nobody who wasn't for the white race. 715 00:33:51,729 --> 00:33:52,753 Thank you. 716 00:33:54,432 --> 00:33:56,992 Peter, did Mr. Willis ever tell you or Derek Harland 717 00:33:57,068 --> 00:33:59,298 to kill or injure Christina Osborne? 718 00:33:59,737 --> 00:34:00,965 No, sir. He never mentioned her. 719 00:34:01,606 --> 00:34:03,073 Now before you ever met Mr. Willis, 720 00:34:03,141 --> 00:34:05,541 uh, did you receive psychological counseling? 721 00:34:08,713 --> 00:34:09,702 Yes, sir. 722 00:34:10,581 --> 00:34:12,242 Would you please tell us why? 723 00:34:14,952 --> 00:34:17,250 Uh, I hit my kid brother, Davey. 724 00:34:17,321 --> 00:34:20,813 In fact, you gave him a concussion and broke his arm, didn't you? 725 00:34:26,130 --> 00:34:27,222 Yes, sir. 726 00:34:27,298 --> 00:34:31,200 So, wouldn't it be fair to say that you were an angry and violent young man 727 00:34:31,269 --> 00:34:33,237 long before you ever heard of Mr. Willis? 728 00:34:36,774 --> 00:34:37,763 I guess so. 729 00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:42,505 I've worked for Tom Willis the past four years, 730 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:44,104 recruiting young people for his meetings. 731 00:34:44,215 --> 00:34:46,809 What kinds of kids did you target for recruitment? 732 00:34:48,352 --> 00:34:50,081 Kids with emotional problems, 733 00:34:50,154 --> 00:34:51,951 bad homes, problems at school, you know. 734 00:34:52,056 --> 00:34:53,546 Kids like Derek Harland? 735 00:34:54,192 --> 00:34:56,217 Yes, sir. I met him at a club. 736 00:34:57,428 --> 00:34:59,020 I got him talking about his mom and dad 737 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:01,224 and I could tell he had a problem managing his anger. 738 00:35:01,299 --> 00:35:02,960 Did you tell this to Mr. Willis? 739 00:35:03,034 --> 00:35:04,262 Yes, sir. 740 00:35:04,335 --> 00:35:05,927 And Tom saw Derek get out of control 741 00:35:06,003 --> 00:35:08,233 at the meetings, you know, yelling, carrying on. 742 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,135 Did he ever comment about Derek's behavior? 743 00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:13,432 Uh, yes, sir. 744 00:35:14,545 --> 00:35:16,775 Tom told me Derek was gonna kill somebody someday. 745 00:35:17,515 --> 00:35:18,777 He just hoped it'd be a Jew, 746 00:35:18,883 --> 00:35:21,852 or a homosexual, not one of us. 747 00:35:32,730 --> 00:35:35,528 Mr. Parnell, to your knowledge, did my client ever tell anyone 748 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,465 to kill or injure Christina Osborne? 749 00:35:37,535 --> 00:35:38,524 No. 750 00:35:38,836 --> 00:35:42,363 Now you're testifying today as a term of a plea bargain, isn't that right? 751 00:35:42,473 --> 00:35:43,565 Yes. 752 00:35:43,641 --> 00:35:45,370 For brutally attacking a gay person? 753 00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:47,068 Yes. 754 00:35:47,745 --> 00:35:49,042 On my client's orders? 755 00:35:49,113 --> 00:35:50,102 No. 756 00:35:50,681 --> 00:35:52,774 In fact, you never heard my client order anyone 757 00:35:52,850 --> 00:35:55,478 to attack any specific person, isn't that right? 758 00:35:56,454 --> 00:35:57,819 That's right. Except in self-defense. 759 00:35:59,056 --> 00:36:00,853 No further questions. 760 00:36:01,826 --> 00:36:03,259 Nothing for this witness, Your Honor. 761 00:36:03,427 --> 00:36:04,894 Rebuttal, Your Honor. 762 00:36:04,962 --> 00:36:06,293 Mr. Parnell, 763 00:36:06,764 --> 00:36:10,791 you said Mr. Willis would tell you to attack people in self-defense. 764 00:36:11,802 --> 00:36:13,167 Could you explain that? 765 00:36:14,405 --> 00:36:18,000 Well, he'd tell us to provoke a violent incident and claim self-defense. 766 00:36:18,643 --> 00:36:20,873 Like, if you say a gay man made a pass at you, 767 00:36:21,279 --> 00:36:23,304 then you can get away with stomping his ass. 768 00:36:26,284 --> 00:36:27,717 I'm just an educator. 769 00:36:28,686 --> 00:36:31,382 I tell young white people to study their heritage, 770 00:36:31,455 --> 00:36:33,980 to be proud of it, to build up their self-esteem. 771 00:36:35,293 --> 00:36:37,284 Now, I'm very sorry Miss Osborne was killed. 772 00:36:37,361 --> 00:36:39,659 I wished the young people who did it had come to me first. 773 00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:44,258 Because I have never told anybody to commit murder and do violence. 774 00:36:47,171 --> 00:36:48,160 Thank you. 775 00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:56,842 You educate young people? 776 00:36:57,415 --> 00:36:58,473 Yes. 777 00:37:00,318 --> 00:37:02,411 You teach them to love their fellow man? 778 00:37:03,287 --> 00:37:05,517 I teach them to love all white Aryan people. 779 00:37:06,757 --> 00:37:08,452 What about the other races? 780 00:37:09,293 --> 00:37:10,692 They're not my concern. 781 00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:14,998 You teach young people to turn the other cheek? 782 00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:16,863 I favor another part of the Bible. 783 00:37:17,301 --> 00:37:18,427 An eye for an eye. 784 00:37:20,371 --> 00:37:22,931 You prepare them for a racial holy war? 785 00:37:23,007 --> 00:37:24,440 I teach them survival skills. 786 00:37:24,508 --> 00:37:28,467 Like slamming someone's head against the curb and breaking their jaw? 787 00:37:28,546 --> 00:37:29,570 No. 788 00:37:30,615 --> 00:37:34,142 Isn't it a fact, Mr. Willis, that you teach young people to hate? 789 00:37:34,885 --> 00:37:35,909 No. 790 00:37:36,487 --> 00:37:39,513 I tell them what can be done to eliminate hatred between the races. 791 00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:41,717 By eliminating the other races? 792 00:37:42,627 --> 00:37:43,651 No. 793 00:37:48,566 --> 00:37:50,124 People's 49. 794 00:37:53,738 --> 00:37:55,035 "Our racial hatred 795 00:37:55,873 --> 00:37:58,398 "is nothing more than an internal defense mechanism 796 00:37:58,476 --> 00:38:00,501 "that nature has blessed us with. 797 00:38:01,345 --> 00:38:04,314 "Hatred is not something to shy away from, 798 00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:07,340 "to dread or to avoid. 799 00:38:07,852 --> 00:38:09,410 "Hatred is our friend. 800 00:38:09,587 --> 00:38:10,849 "Embrace it. " 801 00:38:12,523 --> 00:38:15,048 This is an excerpt from one of your tapes. 802 00:38:17,161 --> 00:38:19,095 You teach young people that hate is good. 803 00:38:19,163 --> 00:38:20,152 Hate's not good. 804 00:38:20,965 --> 00:38:22,626 It's just necessary. 805 00:38:23,167 --> 00:38:24,293 Like killing? 806 00:38:24,368 --> 00:38:25,767 Only in self-defense. 807 00:38:25,903 --> 00:38:29,066 How about killing innocent women and children 808 00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:30,539 because of their race? 809 00:38:30,808 --> 00:38:33,072 Is that also a necessary evil? 810 00:38:33,277 --> 00:38:35,711 No. I never taught that. 811 00:38:42,453 --> 00:38:43,681 People's 50. 812 00:38:45,423 --> 00:38:47,687 "If Hitler killed six million Jews, 813 00:38:48,492 --> 00:38:50,858 "then it was an evil necessity, 814 00:38:51,595 --> 00:38:53,290 "and I hate the Jews 815 00:38:53,597 --> 00:38:55,531 "for making the Holocaust necessary. " 816 00:38:59,170 --> 00:39:01,968 This is what you poison young people's minds with? 817 00:39:04,241 --> 00:39:05,902 These are the lies you teach? 818 00:39:10,881 --> 00:39:13,145 Come on, Mr. Willis, aren't you proud of your words? 819 00:39:13,851 --> 00:39:16,251 I have a constitutional right to say that. 820 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,312 And I have a constitutional obligation 821 00:39:19,390 --> 00:39:22,086 to make you bear the consequences, Mr. Willis. 822 00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:24,350 Withdrawn. 823 00:39:31,836 --> 00:39:34,703 Hey, I'm ordering barbecue. You in? 824 00:39:35,306 --> 00:39:36,398 Thanks, no. 825 00:39:38,075 --> 00:39:42,409 Milkwagon Drivers Union of Chicago v. Meadowmoor Dairies. 826 00:39:42,613 --> 00:39:43,910 1941. 827 00:39:45,082 --> 00:39:46,811 Reaching for the obscure? 828 00:39:47,785 --> 00:39:49,343 "Utterance in a context of violence 829 00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:51,820 "can lose its significance as an appeal to reason 830 00:39:51,889 --> 00:39:54,414 "and become part of an instrument of force. " "... an instrument of force. " 831 00:39:54,492 --> 00:39:57,518 "Such utterance was not meant to be sheltered by the Constitution. " 832 00:39:57,595 --> 00:39:58,926 Felix Frankfurter. 833 00:39:58,996 --> 00:40:00,361 I'd forgotten the case. 834 00:40:00,598 --> 00:40:01,997 But not the heart of it. 835 00:40:04,201 --> 00:40:06,692 Willis didn't incite a mob in the middle of a riot. 836 00:40:07,204 --> 00:40:09,035 His hate just breeds more hate. 837 00:40:09,106 --> 00:40:11,267 Doesn't serve any other purpose. 838 00:40:11,342 --> 00:40:15,039 Jack, I wish we could shut him up, too, 839 00:40:15,112 --> 00:40:16,704 but as officers of the court, 840 00:40:16,781 --> 00:40:20,273 our constitutional obligation is to protect, not stop, 841 00:40:20,851 --> 00:40:22,842 even the most controversial speaker. 842 00:40:23,087 --> 00:40:25,317 Abbie, I know how thin the ice is. 843 00:40:25,389 --> 00:40:26,378 So does Willis. 844 00:40:26,824 --> 00:40:30,487 He thrives by exploiting these gray areas in the First Amendment. 845 00:40:30,561 --> 00:40:33,359 If we want to hold him accountable for what he says, 846 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:35,922 this is as good as this kind of case gets. 847 00:40:40,304 --> 00:40:42,829 He's not worth gutting the First Amendment over. 848 00:40:42,907 --> 00:40:45,467 Well, if that's what I'm doing, I'll get slammed on appeal. 849 00:40:46,243 --> 00:40:47,904 Still worth taking a shot. 850 00:40:53,751 --> 00:40:56,948 Congress shall pass no law abridging the freedom of speech. 851 00:40:58,522 --> 00:40:59,921 Pass no law. 852 00:41:00,891 --> 00:41:03,655 Mr. McCoy is trying to get around the Constitution 853 00:41:03,727 --> 00:41:07,595 by calling what my client said conduct. 854 00:41:07,932 --> 00:41:09,763 By Mr. McCoy's definition, 855 00:41:09,834 --> 00:41:12,928 any kind of communication involves conduct, 856 00:41:13,437 --> 00:41:15,234 except maybe ESP. 857 00:41:15,973 --> 00:41:18,999 He claims my client commanded Mr. Harland 858 00:41:19,076 --> 00:41:21,601 and the others to kill Christina Osborne. 859 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,878 Well, he must've commanded them using ESP. 860 00:41:27,051 --> 00:41:30,179 You have heard witness after witness testify 861 00:41:30,254 --> 00:41:34,213 that Mr. Willis never told them to kill or harm 862 00:41:34,291 --> 00:41:35,553 Miss Osborne. 863 00:41:35,626 --> 00:41:37,958 All Mr. McCoy has are my client's speeches. 864 00:41:38,262 --> 00:41:42,221 Obnoxious, vile, racist, hate-filled speeches. 865 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,797 And since those speeches did not 866 00:41:46,270 --> 00:41:50,331 cause a clear and present danger of imminent criminal action, 867 00:41:51,408 --> 00:41:53,740 you must, in good conscience, 868 00:41:54,144 --> 00:41:56,374 acquit my client. 869 00:41:59,316 --> 00:42:02,945 Of course Mr. Willis never said, "Kill Christina Osborne. " 870 00:42:03,254 --> 00:42:07,088 Adolph Hitler never said, "Kill this Jew or that Jew. " 871 00:42:07,424 --> 00:42:09,654 But there's no doubting his intent, 872 00:42:10,528 --> 00:42:12,860 nor the result of what he did say. 873 00:42:14,131 --> 00:42:19,535 The defense paraphrased Supreme Court Justices Holmes and Brandeis. 874 00:42:20,504 --> 00:42:25,532 I think you should hear what they actually wrote in 1927. 875 00:42:29,613 --> 00:42:31,979 "No danger flowing from speech 876 00:42:32,716 --> 00:42:34,911 "can be deemed clear and present, 877 00:42:36,053 --> 00:42:37,042 "unless 878 00:42:37,721 --> 00:42:40,315 "the incidence of the evil apprehended 879 00:42:40,457 --> 00:42:43,119 "is so imminent that it may befall 880 00:42:43,327 --> 00:42:46,922 "before there is opportunity for full discussion. 881 00:42:48,399 --> 00:42:51,163 "If there be time to expose the evil 882 00:42:51,402 --> 00:42:53,927 "by the processes of education. " 883 00:42:57,074 --> 00:42:59,372 When we talk about free speech, 884 00:43:00,144 --> 00:43:02,908 we mean the exchange of ideas, 885 00:43:03,981 --> 00:43:06,848 dialogue, full discussion. 886 00:43:09,653 --> 00:43:13,612 Where was the opportunity for discussion in Mr. Willis' world? 887 00:43:14,258 --> 00:43:17,694 He handpicked unstable young people. 888 00:43:18,128 --> 00:43:22,565 He told them to associate only with those who thought the way they did. 889 00:43:23,901 --> 00:43:26,131 And then he filled their heads 890 00:43:26,236 --> 00:43:31,003 with suspicion, paranoia, hate and violence. 891 00:43:31,275 --> 00:43:33,641 Prepare for war. Destroy traitors. 892 00:43:33,978 --> 00:43:35,536 Violence is necessary. 893 00:43:35,779 --> 00:43:37,474 Hate Jews, 894 00:43:37,848 --> 00:43:40,180 African-Americans, gay people. 895 00:43:40,484 --> 00:43:42,543 Hate is your friend. Embrace it. 896 00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:49,790 And he expects us to believe that he didn't intend them to be violent? 897 00:43:51,095 --> 00:43:54,064 That he couldn't foresee somebody might get killed? 898 00:43:56,367 --> 00:43:57,834 Who's he kidding? 899 00:43:59,837 --> 00:44:05,139 The First Amendment protects words that persuade. 900 00:44:05,509 --> 00:44:08,876 It doesn't protect words that incite. 901 00:44:11,315 --> 00:44:13,146 That's what Mr. Willis did. 902 00:44:14,918 --> 00:44:16,852 That's why it's called murder. 903 00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:30,657 Mr. Foreman, have you reached verdicts as to both defendants? 904 00:44:31,168 --> 00:44:32,294 Yes, Your Honor, we have. 905 00:44:32,569 --> 00:44:34,560 As to the defendant Derek Harland, 906 00:44:34,938 --> 00:44:38,032 on the sole count of the indictment, murder in the second degree, 907 00:44:38,108 --> 00:44:39,097 how do you find? 908 00:44:39,276 --> 00:44:41,938 We find the defendant guilty. 909 00:44:42,046 --> 00:44:44,344 As to the defendant Thomas Willis, 910 00:44:44,415 --> 00:44:47,873 on the sole count of the indictment, murder in the second degree, 911 00:44:48,252 --> 00:44:49,446 how do you find? 912 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,385 We find the defendant guilty. 913 00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:13,371 I don't see the Willis conviction surviving an appeal. 914 00:45:14,244 --> 00:45:17,077 The worse thing about this is, there's plenty more where Willis came from. 915 00:45:17,881 --> 00:45:21,180 If I thought we could stop hate with one prosecution or one law, 916 00:45:21,251 --> 00:45:22,479 I'd be a fool. Yeah. 917 00:45:23,754 --> 00:45:25,688 But you'd be my kind of fool.