1 00:00:06,191 --> 00:00:08,140 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:08,196 --> 00:00:12,173 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups- 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,189 the police, who investigate crime, 4 00:00:14,245 --> 00:00:16,559 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:16,618 --> 00:00:18,692 These are their stories. 6 00:00:18,756 --> 00:00:21,970 Two ales! One light and one dark! 7 00:00:27,044 --> 00:00:29,790 - I should've told ya to get two. - Nah. There's too many people. 8 00:00:29,851 --> 00:00:32,597 - Hey, where's Joey? - Way too many old people 9 00:00:32,658 --> 00:00:37,546 - Two guesses. - I swear, he finishes his, he ain't gettin' any of mine. 10 00:00:37,604 --> 00:00:40,053 Hey, get us a place up close. 11 00:00:42,583 --> 00:00:44,532 And now, the band you've all been waiting for. 12 00:00:44,588 --> 00:00:47,300 - Come on. Self-control, man. - Look-- Look who's talking. 13 00:00:47,361 --> 00:00:51,179 Listen, when the music starts, I'm the one who's gonna be flying, and I don't share. 14 00:00:51,238 --> 00:00:55,090 - Not even for baby brother? - I'm serious, man! 15 00:00:55,147 --> 00:00:56,959 Fine. One more hit. 16 00:00:57,019 --> 00:00:59,560 Screw this. I'm not missing the opening. 17 00:00:59,626 --> 00:01:01,973 Dam n! We already missed it! 18 00:01:04,037 --> 00:01:06,179 There's gotta be a window in here somewhere! 19 00:01:09,317 --> 00:01:11,891 I was tryin' to find Rick. He went for a drink. 20 00:01:11,957 --> 00:01:14,635 The crowd was pushing. I didn't know what happened. 21 00:01:14,697 --> 00:01:17,238 I kept yelling at people to get off me sol could find him. 22 00:01:17,304 --> 00:01:20,654 I don't even know if he's okay. Nobody will tell me anything. 23 00:01:20,712 --> 00:01:23,754 They've already taken a bunch of people to the hospital, so it's gonna take some time to sort it out. 24 00:01:23,820 --> 00:01:26,896 - He didn't even wanna come here tonight. - Were you able to see how it started? 25 00:01:26,961 --> 00:01:29,138 Why didn't we go bowling? 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,149 Ricky? 27 00:01:31,205 --> 00:01:33,552 Ricky! Ricky! Oh! 28 00:01:33,610 --> 00:01:37,587 - Noise, dope and fire-- Same old Wotan. - You've heard of Wotan? 29 00:01:37,654 --> 00:01:40,264 I worked security at the Garden 20 years ago. 30 00:01:40,328 --> 00:01:42,276 - Hey, Williams. - Quite a mess. 31 00:01:42,333 --> 00:01:45,443 - You wanna give us a tour? - Sure, if you feel like having the ceiling collapse on your head. 32 00:01:45,507 --> 00:01:47,752 - Should be safe in a couple of hours. - How many people were in the club? 33 00:01:47,813 --> 00:01:51,995 Between 300 and 400. Paramedics have already taken at least 70 people to three hospitals. 34 00:01:52,057 --> 00:01:54,062 Burns and smoke inhalation mostly. 35 00:01:54,129 --> 00:01:56,238 Broken bones from the pushing and shoving. 36 00:01:56,301 --> 00:01:58,341 I'd say we're lucky there weren't more fatalities. 37 00:02:00,378 --> 00:02:02,327 Typical Friday night. 38 00:02:02,383 --> 00:02:05,129 Yeah, in Tel Aviv. 39 00:02:58,324 --> 00:03:00,329 It's gonna be hours before I can get you in there. 40 00:03:00,396 --> 00:03:04,144 - Bunch of cretins. it was like tossin' a match in to a hays tack. - They don't have sprinklers? 41 00:03:04,206 --> 00:03:07,920 They're not required in a public facility with a maximum occupancy of 74 or less. 42 00:03:07,981 --> 00:03:10,488 Wait. Didn't you say there were between 300 and 400 people in there? 43 00:03:10,554 --> 00:03:13,836 The nitwit at the door didn't major in math. That gets the owner a fine. 44 00:03:13,896 --> 00:03:19,115 Can you imagine? Nine bodies were found near the front doors- trampled tryin' to get out. 45 00:03:19,176 --> 00:03:21,558 - There had to be other doors, right? - Sure, in the back. 46 00:03:21,616 --> 00:03:25,468 Nobody could see them. “Exit” signs were dark. 47 00:03:25,525 --> 00:03:27,735 That's gotta be a code violation. 48 00:03:27,797 --> 00:03:31,478 Bad lightbulb gets them fine number two. 49 00:03:31,540 --> 00:03:34,651 Twenty-three people dead. Somebody's gonna do more than pay a couple of bucks. 50 00:03:34,715 --> 00:03:38,099 Ask me? Go right to the needle. Do not pass “Go.” Do not pay $200. 51 00:03:38,157 --> 00:03:40,333 How'd the band get out? 52 00:03:40,396 --> 00:03:43,040 - Three of them through doors backstage. - And the fourth? 53 00:03:43,102 --> 00:03:45,279 He was one of the 23. Bass player. 54 00:03:45,342 --> 00:03:47,621 Larry something. 55 00:03:47,681 --> 00:03:50,222 Look, as soon as I know what started this mess, I'll call you. 56 00:03:50,287 --> 00:03:53,239 I'm no expert, but I saw these guys a half a lifetime ago. 57 00:03:53,295 --> 00:03:57,147 - Back then, they always lined the stage with flamethrowers. - They still do. 58 00:03:57,205 --> 00:04:00,555 Prometheus 530 flame projectors, to be precise. 59 00:04:00,613 --> 00:04:05,160 The thing is, there's no way that Prometheus should spit out fire high enough to hit the ceiling. 60 00:04:05,225 --> 00:04:08,073 What's the ceiling got to do with it? Made of polyurethane. 61 00:04:08,132 --> 00:04:10,616 Which burns fast as hell. 62 00:04:10,672 --> 00:04:12,780 That's the manager over there. 63 00:04:12,844 --> 00:04:14,850 - Name's Champa. - Thanks. 64 00:04:14,916 --> 00:04:17,764 Mr. Champa. 65 00:04:17,823 --> 00:04:21,401 - This is a nightmare. My life savin's was in that club. - Oh, really? 66 00:04:21,466 --> 00:04:24,314 I know 23 families who really don't give a damn. 67 00:04:24,373 --> 00:04:26,652 Of course I feel for those people, but what could I have done? 68 00:04:26,712 --> 00:04:29,493 First, you could've checked to see if your ceiling was flammable. 69 00:04:29,553 --> 00:04:32,163 The neighbors complained about the noise, sol put up soundproofing. 70 00:04:32,226 --> 00:04:34,175 The guy who sold it to me never said anything. 71 00:04:34,231 --> 00:04:36,578 You shouldn't have hired a band that plays with fire. 72 00:04:36,638 --> 00:04:40,683 I don't. All that crap is specifically prohibited in the artist contracts. 73 00:04:40,748 --> 00:04:42,753 And Wotan signed this contract? 74 00:04:42,820 --> 00:04:46,329 Sure, man. They wanted to get paid. 75 00:04:51,475 --> 00:04:54,859 People say Jack Bruce can play bass. 76 00:04:54,916 --> 00:04:57,024 But they never listened to Larry, you know? 77 00:04:57,088 --> 00:05:00,701 Like, really listened to Larry. 78 00:05:00,764 --> 00:05:05,516 'Cause he was just a whole 'nother planet. 79 00:05:05,576 --> 00:05:07,581 I can't believe that he's gone. 80 00:05:07,648 --> 00:05:09,757 Along with 22 paying customers. 81 00:05:09,821 --> 00:05:13,364 - Look, Mr. Connor. - What do you mean by that? 82 00:05:13,429 --> 00:05:16,506 For 10 bucks a ticket, people don't expect to get barbecued. 83 00:05:16,571 --> 00:05:21,084 - You're blamin' us for this? - Your contract did specifically say no fireworks. 84 00:05:21,149 --> 00:05:24,795 - I didn't know that. - But you read the part about how much you guys were gonna get paid. 85 00:05:24,859 --> 00:05:29,007 Matter of fact, I didn't. Cause Maxie takes care of that. 86 00:05:29,069 --> 00:05:32,283 Maxie? Our manager-- Maxie. 87 00:05:33,614 --> 00:05:38,127 Fire is Wotan's trademark. KISS has the makeup. Townshend smashes his guitars. 88 00:05:38,192 --> 00:05:40,197 Rock and roll isn't just about the music. 89 00:05:40,264 --> 00:05:42,304 It's the show. It's the spectacle. 90 00:05:42,369 --> 00:05:46,847 - Unfortunately, this "spectacle" doesn't allow fire. - Yeah,yeah. Right. 91 00:05:46,914 --> 00:05:51,130 That is the same mumbo jumbo in every contract in every punk-ass club in America. 92 00:05:51,191 --> 00:05:53,675 And you always ignore it? 93 00:05:53,731 --> 00:05:56,147 Look, a club hires Wotan, they hire the whole package. 94 00:05:56,204 --> 00:05:59,713 -Very bright lights, very loud music-- -Very big flames. 95 00:05:59,779 --> 00:06:02,856 The fans expect it. If we didn't give it to 'em, hell, they'd walk out. 96 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,096 Yeah, we signed the contract. 97 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,507 But the club owner-- like every other club owner in America- 98 00:06:07,565 --> 00:06:09,570 gives us the big "wink, wink" when we did. 99 00:06:09,637 --> 00:06:13,820 - You saying that he knew that Wotan was gonna use fire in the act? - Of course he did 100 00:06:13,882 --> 00:06:16,696 We used it the night before. No complaints then. 101 00:06:16,755 --> 00:06:20,675 No problems either. Hey, after 26 years, we know what we're doin'. 102 00:06:20,732 --> 00:06:22,681 Our stuff didn't burn that place down. 103 00:06:22,737 --> 00:06:24,742 Who's in charge of your “stuff”? 104 00:06:26,245 --> 00:06:29,664 These guys went to Juilliard. They're really good musicians. 105 00:06:29,722 --> 00:06:33,870 But nobody paid any attention to their music till we started lighting up the stage. 106 00:06:33,932 --> 00:06:37,407 I kept telling them we didn't need a gimmick, but Teddy-- 107 00:06:37,474 --> 00:06:41,189 - Ah, what difference does it make now? - Actually, it makes a huge difference now, Nick. 108 00:06:41,250 --> 00:06:43,426 Götterdämmerung. God bless you 109 00:06:43,490 --> 00:06:45,439 It's a German opera. 110 00:06:45,495 --> 00:06:49,004 Wotan and the other gods-- at the end-- 111 00:06:49,070 --> 00:06:51,520 they all die in this amazing fire. 112 00:06:51,576 --> 00:06:54,618 Wait. Hold on. Are you saying that Teddy wanted to die? 113 00:06:54,684 --> 00:06:56,632 No, I'm not. 114 00:06:56,689 --> 00:06:59,833 He just wouldn't let go of this pyro-mythology thing. 115 00:06:59,897 --> 00:07:02,849 And you're the guy who kept his dream alive? Yeah, I'm the guy. 116 00:07:02,905 --> 00:07:06,916 But I set up the equipment before they went on stage... 117 00:07:06,981 --> 00:07:08,930 just like I do every night. 118 00:07:08,986 --> 00:07:11,561 And I'm the guy who hit the “On” switch. 119 00:07:11,626 --> 00:07:14,544 There's no way we caused this thing. 120 00:07:14,601 --> 00:07:18,144 Twenty-three people are dead because of an opera? 121 00:07:18,210 --> 00:07:20,159 The Germans-- what are ya gonna do? 122 00:07:20,215 --> 00:07:24,033 I'll tell you what the taxpayers want me to do. They want me to string someone up. That's what. 123 00:07:24,091 --> 00:07:27,202 And we would like nothing more than that. But the problem is, who? 124 00:07:27,266 --> 00:07:30,012 Wotan violated a contract. They didn't break no laws. 125 00:07:30,073 --> 00:07:33,218 The fire marshal can't say how or when the damn thing started 126 00:07:33,281 --> 00:07:35,925 For all we know, somebody in the crowd lit a candle. 127 00:07:35,988 --> 00:07:38,028 The bottom line is, ain't nobody saw nothin' 128 00:07:38,093 --> 00:07:43,210 Someone did. This is a transcript of one of the thirty-two 911 calls. 129 00:07:44,609 --> 00:07:47,492 “I'm at Danzibar." That's the club. 130 00:07:47,550 --> 00:07:49,931 “There's a fire on the stage." 131 00:07:53,966 --> 00:07:58,649 I freaked I saw it on the news, but the hospitals weren't giving out names. 132 00:07:58,711 --> 00:08:00,922 That's the last time I let her go to one of those things. 133 00:08:00,984 --> 00:08:04,095 Everything went dark. The only thing that you could see was fire. 134 00:08:04,159 --> 00:08:06,803 People were screaming. I didn't know what to do. 135 00:08:06,865 --> 00:08:08,814 People were crawling on the floor. 136 00:08:08,870 --> 00:08:10,875 Larry's hair was on fire. 137 00:08:12,145 --> 00:08:14,720 I tried to help this one girl. And I grabbed her wrist, 138 00:08:14,785 --> 00:08:17,360 and her-- her skin came off in my hand. 139 00:08:17,425 --> 00:08:19,635 Do you really have to do this now? 140 00:08:19,697 --> 00:08:22,979 I'm okay. 141 00:08:25,044 --> 00:08:30,058 I had my cell in my purse, and I called 911 right away. 142 00:08:31,594 --> 00:08:33,543 I didn't know what else I could do. 143 00:08:33,599 --> 00:08:35,548 That's all you could do. 144 00:08:35,604 --> 00:08:40,082 Now, in your call, you said the stage was on fire? 145 00:08:40,149 --> 00:08:42,098 Yeah, that's right. 146 00:08:42,154 --> 00:08:44,194 Did you see how the fire actually started? 147 00:08:44,259 --> 00:08:47,006 It just looked like all of their other concerts. 148 00:08:49,940 --> 00:08:51,889 Except, um-- 149 00:08:54,150 --> 00:08:55,723 Except what? 150 00:08:57,225 --> 00:09:01,977 They always start with Larry and James at the mike... 151 00:09:02,037 --> 00:09:05,581 with Wotan-- that's Teddy. 152 00:09:05,646 --> 00:09:10,261 - And what about last night? - Larry, the bassist-- 153 00:09:13,098 --> 00:09:14,842 He didn't move. 154 00:09:14,903 --> 00:09:18,617 Um, if I'm the stage, which side is he on? 155 00:09:21,018 --> 00:09:25,063 - You can see this is hard for her. - She did great. We 're done. Thank you. 156 00:09:25,128 --> 00:09:27,133 Thank you so much. 157 00:09:28,270 --> 00:09:31,347 Tums out the girl was right. The fire did start on the left side of the stage. 158 00:09:31,411 --> 00:09:33,360 - Accident? - You tell me. 159 00:09:33,416 --> 00:09:37,564 Gaines, these are the detectives working on the Danzibar fire. Show them what you've got. 160 00:09:37,626 --> 00:09:40,042 I've been trying to replicate the conditions that started the fire... 161 00:09:40,099 --> 00:09:43,176 using the six throwers recovered from the site. 162 00:09:43,241 --> 00:09:45,246 They work with this flammable black powder. 163 00:09:45,313 --> 00:09:48,230 - You pack it in like this. - Looks like a giant M80. 164 00:09:48,286 --> 00:09:50,861 This one doesn't blow up, just flames up. 165 00:09:55,973 --> 00:09:59,516 Given the layout of the stage, there's no way that flame could have reached the ceiling- 166 00:09:59,581 --> 00:10:01,530 on five of the throwers anyway. 167 00:10:01,587 --> 00:10:04,595 - What about the sixth one? - That's a whole other ball of wax. 168 00:10:04,661 --> 00:10:07,305 - That's the one that was on the left side of the stage? - That would be correct. 169 00:10:07,368 --> 00:10:09,716 See this residue burnt into the metal of the cylinder? 170 00:10:09,774 --> 00:10:13,420 It goes twice as high as in the others- above the level of the electric fuse. 171 00:10:13,484 --> 00:10:15,728 This one burned twice as hot as it's supposed to. 172 00:10:15,789 --> 00:10:17,738 What are you saying? It was defective? 173 00:10:17,794 --> 00:10:20,711 Even if it was, it couldn't burn that hot without twice as much powder. 174 00:10:20,769 --> 00:10:24,347 - You mean it was packed wrong? - I mean it was packed twice. 175 00:10:24,411 --> 00:10:26,691 Somebody wanted this thing to burn big. 176 00:10:28,955 --> 00:10:31,462 Why don't you take us through your night, Nick. 177 00:10:32,765 --> 00:10:37,721 - What do you mean? - Well, you got to the club, you blew your nose, whatever. 178 00:10:38,947 --> 00:10:41,363 I got there about 8:00. 179 00:10:41,420 --> 00:10:46,342 The throwers were locked in storage in the back of the club, 'cause we used them the night before. 180 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:49,943 I, uh, took them out. I loaded them same as always. 181 00:10:50,008 --> 00:10:52,583 Was this before or after a couple of tokes? 182 00:10:52,648 --> 00:10:55,793 I don't do that, man I'm clean since '94. 183 00:10:55,857 --> 00:11:01,440 - Keep goin'. - I, uh-- I set them on stage, the same places as always. 184 00:11:01,504 --> 00:11:03,453 Did you test them? 185 00:11:03,509 --> 00:11:06,255 Well, why would I? They worked fine the night before. 186 00:11:06,316 --> 00:11:09,598 - Okay. That gets us to 10:00. - 00. 187 00:11:09,658 --> 00:11:13,612 - What'd you do for that hour, read a book? - Why is he talkin' to me like that? 188 00:11:13,668 --> 00:11:16,585 Because you killed 23 people, Nick! That gets me a little agitated. 189 00:11:16,642 --> 00:11:21,359 I told you-- What are you, some kind of sick bastard that likes to watch things burn? 190 00:11:21,420 --> 00:11:23,096 Lennie! 191 00:11:28,672 --> 00:11:31,681 Okay. So, what'd you do next? 192 00:11:33,083 --> 00:11:36,626 I, uh-- I set up the lights. 193 00:11:36,693 --> 00:11:38,869 - And how long did that take you? - I don't know. 194 00:11:38,931 --> 00:11:41,313 Forty, 45 minutes maybe. 195 00:11:41,371 --> 00:11:44,755 So you were done 15 minutes before showtime. 196 00:11:44,813 --> 00:11:48,824 Yeah, like always. So there were 15 minutes where somebody could've rigged the thrower? 197 00:11:48,890 --> 00:11:52,399 - Why would anybody do that? - Right now, I'm more interested in who. 198 00:11:52,465 --> 00:11:54,414 You're givin' this yahoo too much credit, Ed. 199 00:11:54,470 --> 00:11:56,419 It wasn't me, okay? 200 00:11:56,475 --> 00:11:59,085 These guys pay me. It's a steady gig. 201 00:11:59,149 --> 00:12:01,223 Why would I risk blowing that? 202 00:12:01,288 --> 00:12:04,763 The thrower started the fire. You loaded the thrower. 203 00:12:04,829 --> 00:12:06,778 I'm not the only one who knows how. 204 00:12:06,834 --> 00:12:08,874 We've been doin' this a long time. 205 00:12:08,940 --> 00:12:12,256 I told you guys-- these guys are into flames. 206 00:12:19,032 --> 00:12:22,017 I mean, they all know how to work the equipment. 207 00:12:28,021 --> 00:12:31,200 - Do you believe him? - I think he's scared of his own shadow. 208 00:12:31,263 --> 00:12:35,274 I don't recall anyone giving medals for bravery to arsonists. 209 00:12:35,339 --> 00:12:37,482 What else is a dude like this gonna do for money? 210 00:12:37,545 --> 00:12:41,157 He had to know that would put Wotan out of business-- the fire part of the show anyway. 211 00:12:41,221 --> 00:12:44,605 - I don't think he'd risk it. - He might if he didn't know the ceiling was flammable. 212 00:12:44,663 --> 00:12:47,672 You play with fire, you don't get the benefit of the doubt. 213 00:12:47,737 --> 00:12:51,850 True, but think about this. The flamethrower that was tampered with was right next to Larry. 214 00:12:51,914 --> 00:12:55,424 - Who's Larry? - Larry's the bass player that didn't follow the normal routine that night. 215 00:12:55,490 --> 00:12:57,439 Which put him directly in the hot zone. 216 00:12:57,495 --> 00:13:00,879 The flame hit the ceiling over his head, and it came down on him. 217 00:13:00,937 --> 00:13:03,512 And who knew Larry wasn't going to be where he was supposed to be? 218 00:13:05,182 --> 00:13:07,688 Let's find that out. 219 00:13:07,754 --> 00:13:10,763 - You're sayin' somebody was out to get Larry? - No. We're just askin' questions. 220 00:13:10,829 --> 00:13:13,575 Wotan opens the show the same way every night-- 221 00:13:13,635 --> 00:13:16,621 Teddy,James and Larry at the mike, center stage. 222 00:13:16,677 --> 00:13:19,389 - The one night they change-- - Oh, you think one of the guys? 223 00:13:19,450 --> 00:13:21,455 Like I said, we're just askin' 224 00:13:21,522 --> 00:13:24,006 Come on. These guys love each other like brothers. 225 00:13:24,062 --> 00:13:26,910 Hey, I love my brother, but I can barely make it through Thanksgiving dinner. 226 00:13:26,970 --> 00:13:29,112 You spend every night together for 26 years, 227 00:13:29,175 --> 00:13:31,989 somebody is bound to get on somebody else's nerves. 228 00:13:32,048 --> 00:13:34,555 Yeah, they've had their disagreements, sure, but nothin' to kill over. 229 00:13:34,622 --> 00:13:37,232 Why don't you let us be the judge of that? 230 00:13:37,295 --> 00:13:39,244 Well, nothin' recently. 231 00:13:40,905 --> 00:13:43,480 - No, nah. No, it couldn't be. - What? 232 00:13:43,545 --> 00:13:47,556 When we got back to New York, Larry was bangin' Teddy's broad. 233 00:13:47,621 --> 00:13:50,299 “Teddy's broad"? Is that how she's listed in the phone book? 234 00:13:50,361 --> 00:13:53,836 - Debbie something or other. - Well, we 're gettin' closer. 235 00:13:53,903 --> 00:13:56,410 Grimes. She lives down in Soho somewhere, I think. 236 00:13:58,081 --> 00:14:00,793 Larry was great, man, the best. 237 00:14:00,855 --> 00:14:03,236 I assume you're talking about his bass playing. 238 00:14:03,294 --> 00:14:07,145 Hey, I'm not crude. The guy is dead. Let's show some respect. 239 00:14:07,203 --> 00:14:09,152 My partner is just a little old-fashioned. 240 00:14:09,208 --> 00:14:11,157 He just thought that you movin' from Teddy to Larry... 241 00:14:11,214 --> 00:14:13,960 might have brought on some hard feelings between the two of them. 242 00:14:14,021 --> 00:14:16,562 Hell, he's a dinosaur. 243 00:14:16,628 --> 00:14:21,083 Look, I was happy when Teddy remembered my name, okay? 244 00:14:21,139 --> 00:14:25,287 I mean, these guys, they don't fight over babes. 245 00:14:25,349 --> 00:14:28,927 When they got back to the city-- I think it was CBGB's-- 246 00:14:28,991 --> 00:14:32,843 I went to Teddy's dressing room like always, knocked on the door, 247 00:14:32,901 --> 00:14:35,511 but he was otherwise occupied. 248 00:14:35,575 --> 00:14:37,855 You got a name? Of which one? 249 00:14:37,914 --> 00:14:39,863 I knew I should have stuck with the guitar. 250 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:42,529 - You always go backstage? - Yeah, so? 251 00:14:42,593 --> 00:14:44,542 - You were there the night of the fire? - Sure. 252 00:14:44,597 --> 00:14:47,207 - Who else was there with you? - The guys, some chicks. 253 00:14:47,271 --> 00:14:49,881 - You remember any names? - One of them, I do. 254 00:14:49,944 --> 00:14:53,659 - Terry. She's, like, always there. - Terry? 255 00:14:53,721 --> 00:14:56,866 - Yeah, that's her. - She's got a pierced eyebrow, long brown hair? 256 00:14:56,929 --> 00:14:59,743 That's the girl who called 911. 257 00:14:59,802 --> 00:15:04,224 - Sounds to me like you're a regular at these Wotan gigs. - I like their music. 258 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,229 A lot of people like their music, Teresa. 259 00:15:06,285 --> 00:15:08,290 They don't all get backstage passes. 260 00:15:08,357 --> 00:15:10,932 What are you, my dad or something? 261 00:15:10,997 --> 00:15:15,076 Look, I'm not the first girl to like hanging out with musicians. 262 00:15:15,141 --> 00:15:19,118 There's no sex or anything. I just party with them, and that's as far as it goes. 263 00:15:19,184 --> 00:15:22,363 Why didn't you tell us you were in their dressing room the first time we talked? 264 00:15:22,426 --> 00:15:25,001 Duh. My mother was standing right there, remember? 265 00:15:26,269 --> 00:15:28,844 What, do you guys really think I had something to do with that fire? 266 00:15:28,909 --> 00:15:31,918 No, no. But now that we got all our cards on the table, 267 00:15:31,983 --> 00:15:34,262 maybe you can help us find out who did. 268 00:15:34,322 --> 00:15:38,573 Let me ask you this. Fifteen minutes before the band goes on, who's backstage with you? 269 00:15:38,633 --> 00:15:40,809 - The band. - Come on. 270 00:15:40,872 --> 00:15:45,191 Nick, a couple of new girls. 271 00:15:45,250 --> 00:15:47,392 Um, Pete, Glen. 272 00:15:47,455 --> 00:15:49,632 - Who? - The roadies. 273 00:15:52,301 --> 00:15:55,149 - You know, Mitch wasn't there. - Who's Mitch? 274 00:15:55,208 --> 00:15:57,122 The sound guy. 275 00:16:01,290 --> 00:16:03,570 That's right. I wasn't partying 276 00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:05,635 Someone in that damn crew has to do some work. 277 00:16:05,701 --> 00:16:09,917 - So you were busy turning dials, huh? - Somethin' like that. 278 00:16:09,978 --> 00:16:13,294 You know, in the long run, it was time to hang up the ol' spurs. 279 00:16:13,353 --> 00:16:15,997 All that travelin' was gettin' to me. This is where I belong. 280 00:16:16,061 --> 00:16:20,345 - Turning dials. - You know, that was funny once. 281 00:16:20,405 --> 00:16:23,448 What about the dials on the flamethrower? You turn them too? 282 00:16:23,513 --> 00:16:25,462 Screw you. 283 00:16:25,518 --> 00:16:28,663 Now, you see, that kind of attitude's gonna get you in trouble. 284 00:16:28,726 --> 00:16:33,443 It turns out everybody but you was in Teddy's room partying before the show. 285 00:16:33,504 --> 00:16:38,017 Really? Look, I didn't mess with the throwers. 286 00:16:38,083 --> 00:16:40,624 But I have a feeling he knows who did, don't you, Ed? 287 00:16:40,689 --> 00:16:42,694 Come on Mitch. 288 00:16:43,931 --> 00:16:46,141 Give us a hint. Teddy. 289 00:16:46,203 --> 00:16:50,157 Man, he thought we still should be playin' the Garden. 290 00:16:50,213 --> 00:16:52,162 Small wasn't good enough for him. 291 00:16:52,218 --> 00:16:55,728 I told him, “Let's go unplugged. That'd be cool," right? 292 00:16:55,794 --> 00:16:57,799 - Mitch. - The fire. 293 00:16:57,866 --> 00:17:00,977 Teddy was crazy about it. He wanted it big, like the old days. 294 00:17:01,041 --> 00:17:05,895 He said, “If we think big, if we act big, we'll be big." 295 00:17:05,952 --> 00:17:09,200 - So he wanted bigger pyro? - Yeah. 296 00:17:09,261 --> 00:17:12,338 Nickie told him the clubs we played now couldn't handle it. 297 00:17:12,402 --> 00:17:14,852 - That must have pissed Teddy off. - Tell me about it. 298 00:17:14,909 --> 00:17:18,225 Just before the last gig, the son of a bitch told me to rig the throwers. 299 00:17:18,284 --> 00:17:22,865 - So you were just following orders. - Hey, I don't mess with that crap. I did my thing. 300 00:17:22,929 --> 00:17:26,347 When you left, where was Teddy? 301 00:17:27,907 --> 00:17:31,189 Onstage... alone. 302 00:17:31,249 --> 00:17:35,135 This dude is just a washed-up wannabe who's tryin' to return to his rightful spot... 303 00:17:35,192 --> 00:17:37,197 at the top of the rock-and-roll food chain. 304 00:17:37,265 --> 00:17:39,909 It would have been a lot safer to write a couple of new songs. 305 00:17:39,972 --> 00:17:42,512 - You ever listen to any of their music? - See, that's the thing. 306 00:17:42,578 --> 00:17:46,395 Whatever stardom Wotan had, it ain't because of their music. It's because of their live shows. 307 00:17:46,454 --> 00:17:50,033 Connor thought if he made a big enough bang with the press and his fans, 308 00:17:50,097 --> 00:17:53,014 that he could hock the tour bus and start ridin' private jets again. 309 00:17:53,071 --> 00:17:55,020 So he burned down a club? 310 00:17:55,076 --> 00:17:57,025 Hey, Ozzy bit off a bat's head. 311 00:17:57,082 --> 00:17:59,896 He wanted more fire. I doubt he thought it through. 312 00:17:59,955 --> 00:18:02,496 Guys, we can't arrest a man on motive alone. 313 00:18:02,562 --> 00:18:05,240 All the physical evidence went up in smoke, so to speak. 314 00:18:05,302 --> 00:18:08,880 The guy who works the equipment says that Connor begged him? to rig the thrower 315 00:18:08,944 --> 00:18:10,893 And when he refused, he asked the sound guy. 316 00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:15,234 Who will testify that he left Connor alone on the stage before the show. 317 00:18:15,293 --> 00:18:18,507 Well, does this Connor know how to operate this doohickey? 318 00:18:18,568 --> 00:18:20,710 Yeah, like playin' a "C" chord. 319 00:18:20,774 --> 00:18:25,527 All right. Let's light a fuse under this moron and see how loud he screams. 320 00:18:25,586 --> 00:18:29,038 Stop! Stop! 321 00:18:29,095 --> 00:18:33,072 Damn it, Maxie! I said bigger. Bigger! Doesn't anybody do “bigger” anymore? 322 00:18:33,138 --> 00:18:36,352 - I hear they got a lot of big guys to choose from up in Ossining. - What? 323 00:18:36,413 --> 00:18:40,299 Teddy Connor, you're under arrest for arson and murder 23 times. 324 00:18:40,356 --> 00:18:42,566 Now that's got a nice beat, and you can dance to it. 325 00:18:42,628 --> 00:18:46,640 You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law. 326 00:18:48,811 --> 00:18:52,856 People v. Theodore Connor. 327 00:18:52,921 --> 00:18:56,670 One count of arson in the first degree. Twenty-three counts of murder in the first degree. 328 00:18:58,101 --> 00:19:00,414 Didn't your mother teach you about playing with matches? 329 00:19:00,473 --> 00:19:03,118 Your Honor might not recognize my client, but he is-- 330 00:19:03,181 --> 00:19:07,465 Oh, yes, she does. I sat in the mud at Roosevelt Raceway back in '79. 331 00:19:07,524 --> 00:19:09,940 You were three hours late, Mr. Connor. 332 00:19:09,998 --> 00:19:12,812 I hope Your Honor will approach this with an open mind. 333 00:19:12,871 --> 00:19:15,515 Not to worry, counselor. That's where I met my husband. 334 00:19:15,578 --> 00:19:17,858 How do you plead? 335 00:19:17,917 --> 00:19:20,333 - Not guilty. - Ms. Southerlyn? 336 00:19:20,391 --> 00:19:24,709 - The People request remand, Judge. The enormity of the crime itself-- - Is irrelevant. 337 00:19:26,339 --> 00:19:28,845 But the defendant's financial means isn't. 338 00:19:28,912 --> 00:19:31,556 - He's a flight risk, Your Honor. - Ten years ago, maybe. 339 00:19:31,619 --> 00:19:34,797 Yes, Mr. Connor's made a great deal of money in his career, but he has spent more. 340 00:19:34,860 --> 00:19:36,809 He can barely make ends meet. 341 00:19:36,865 --> 00:19:41,651 Why should he be any different? Bail is set at 500,000, cash or bond. 342 00:19:44,819 --> 00:19:48,101 Bad things happen, Jack. They're not always criminal. 343 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,077 Twenty-three corpses is more than a "bad thing." 344 00:19:51,134 --> 00:19:53,880 It was an accident- an act of God- not a murder. 345 00:19:53,941 --> 00:19:56,516 If God wanted that club to burn, he wouldn't have used a flamethrower. 346 00:19:56,581 --> 00:19:59,567 Are you saying that someone screwed with our equipment? 347 00:19:59,622 --> 00:20:02,574 - No. I'm saying you did, Mr. Connor. - Oh, this is crazy. 348 00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:06,675 As a crime is what it is. Don't you see what happens here, jack? 349 00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:11,662 A high-profile client like Teddy Connor, the mere fact that he's arrested makes him guilty in the eyes of the public. 350 00:20:11,719 --> 00:20:13,668 Actually, it's the jury he should worry about. 351 00:20:13,724 --> 00:20:16,265 The jury, I can handle. What happens when he's acquitted? 352 00:20:16,330 --> 00:20:18,905 Who's going to a Wotan concert now you've ruined his good name? 353 00:20:18,970 --> 00:20:21,147 Who are you kidding? Notoriety sells tickets. 354 00:20:21,210 --> 00:20:24,526 We're not gonna take that chance. When Mr. Connor's acquitted, 355 00:20:24,585 --> 00:20:27,468 we'll want there to be a fully public record. 356 00:20:29,130 --> 00:20:31,135 My motion to let TV cameras in the courtroom. 357 00:20:32,338 --> 00:20:34,719 The world's gonna watch this one, Jack. 358 00:20:34,777 --> 00:20:36,782 If I were you, I'd get a new suit. 359 00:20:42,062 --> 00:20:44,011 Counsel is wasting everyone's time. 360 00:20:44,067 --> 00:20:46,415 Section 52 of the New York Civil Rights Law... 361 00:20:46,473 --> 00:20:50,359 specifically prohibits cameras of any sort in the courtroom. 362 00:20:50,416 --> 00:20:52,729 And said law was passed in 1952. 363 00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:56,332 It's about time New York made that giant leap into the 21 st century. 364 00:20:56,398 --> 00:20:59,907 We are only one of nine states that have a per se ban-- And I'm sure Ms. Teller is aware... 365 00:20:59,973 --> 00:21:03,756 making that leap is the bailiwick of the legislature and not a trial court, Judge. 366 00:21:03,817 --> 00:21:07,794 It is when a statute violates the First Amendment, 367 00:21:07,860 --> 00:21:09,865 which requires that criminal trials be open to the press... 368 00:21:09,933 --> 00:21:14,251 unless there are compelling and clearly articulated reasons for closing such proceedings. 369 00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:16,384 This is a high-profile case, Your Honor. 370 00:21:16,448 --> 00:21:20,368 Surely press from around the planet will be intent on reporting it. 371 00:21:20,425 --> 00:21:22,739 Obviously, our meager courtrooms will not permit-- 372 00:21:22,798 --> 00:21:25,807 I'm not concerned about the press. I'm concerned about a fair trial, 373 00:21:25,872 --> 00:21:28,584 which means keeping the hoopla to a minimum. 374 00:21:28,646 --> 00:21:32,794 - Albany obviously shares that concern. - You are putting a rock star on trial. 375 00:21:32,856 --> 00:21:34,930 Hoopla is a foregone conclusion. 376 00:21:34,995 --> 00:21:39,382 Your Honor, there is precedent ignoring the statutory ban. New York v. Boss, People v. Barron. 377 00:21:39,439 --> 00:21:41,388 What's really going on here, counselor? 378 00:21:41,444 --> 00:21:44,623 If my client is to be crucified because he's a public figure, 379 00:21:44,686 --> 00:21:47,466 the least I can ask is that the public bear witness. 380 00:21:49,231 --> 00:21:52,706 What the hell? It's about time we got those old boys in Albany off their butts. 381 00:21:52,773 --> 00:21:55,987 - Your Honor! - Come on, Jack. Who's it gonna hurt? 382 00:21:58,421 --> 00:22:00,370 Well, what are you gonna do? 383 00:22:00,426 --> 00:22:03,503 The Sixth Amendment says public trial, and that's what he's entitled to. 384 00:22:03,567 --> 00:22:07,281 You commending a judicial activist? That's what appeals are for. 385 00:22:07,342 --> 00:22:10,328 The cameras have to affect the way people behave. 386 00:22:10,384 --> 00:22:12,560 You mean they'll actually tell the truth? 387 00:22:12,622 --> 00:22:16,805 I mean it's not okay for the medium to be the message in the courtroom. 388 00:22:16,867 --> 00:22:18,872 - Is this S.O.B. guilty? - Yes. 389 00:22:18,939 --> 00:22:21,355 - Can you prove it? - I think so. 390 00:22:21,412 --> 00:22:24,192 Then my advice-- get a new suit and enjoy. 391 00:22:25,555 --> 00:22:29,532 It's clear from mere visual inspection that the flamethrower in question... 392 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:32,517 emitted a stronger flame than the others on stage. 393 00:22:32,573 --> 00:22:37,256 - How much stronger? - The others reached a maximum heat of 300 degrees Fahrenheit. 394 00:22:37,318 --> 00:22:39,426 This one, I'd guess, was close to 600. 395 00:22:39,490 --> 00:22:42,338 - Would that create a bigger flame? - Yes. 396 00:22:42,398 --> 00:22:44,438 In the same proportion-- it would be twice as big 397 00:22:44,503 --> 00:22:46,452 Could this happen through a malfunction? 398 00:22:46,508 --> 00:22:49,687 No. In my opinion, the only way this could happen... 399 00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:54,536 is for the flame projector to be filled with twice the combustible material. 400 00:22:54,595 --> 00:22:56,544 Thank you. 401 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,278 Did you check the flamethrower in question for fingerprints? 402 00:22:59,340 --> 00:23:01,414 - That wouldn't be feasible. - Why not? 403 00:23:01,479 --> 00:23:04,226 - It's covered in carbon. - From the subsequent fire. 404 00:23:04,286 --> 00:23:08,034 - That's correct. - So there is no scientific evidence indicating who it was... 405 00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:10,272 who added the extra combustible material. 406 00:23:11,871 --> 00:23:13,945 No. 407 00:23:18,455 --> 00:23:21,600 I've been on the road with Wotan for over 20 years, 408 00:23:21,663 --> 00:23:24,375 since back when they were known as Cain's Ire. 409 00:23:24,436 --> 00:23:27,148 We played the largest arenas in the world. 410 00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:29,785 - And your effects were bigger back then? - Yes. 411 00:23:29,850 --> 00:23:34,671 At a place like the Meadowlands, Teddy said we needed spectacle. 412 00:23:34,729 --> 00:23:38,706 - And, uh, that's what he gave us. - For example? 413 00:23:38,773 --> 00:23:42,556 We had a thrower that would shoot flames 20 feet up in the air. 414 00:23:42,616 --> 00:23:45,328 We called it the, uh, pillar of fire. 415 00:23:45,389 --> 00:23:49,172 We used gerb fans, flash reports- you name it. 416 00:23:49,232 --> 00:23:52,183 Teddy always wanted to push the envelope, and, uh, 417 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,283 I have to admit, I got a kick out of it too. 418 00:23:55,348 --> 00:23:59,826 What would happen if you used that kind of equipment in the smaller clubs you play now? 419 00:23:59,892 --> 00:24:01,841 They wouldn't even fit on the stage. 420 00:24:01,897 --> 00:24:05,372 Did the defendant want to push the envelope in his recent gigs? 421 00:24:05,439 --> 00:24:10,088 Yeah, sure, we talked about it. You know, bring back the pillar 422 00:24:10,151 --> 00:24:13,934 He said the gags would put asses in the seats. 423 00:24:13,994 --> 00:24:16,535 And he wasn't concerned about the safety of those asses? 424 00:24:16,601 --> 00:24:19,279 That was my job. 425 00:24:19,341 --> 00:24:24,196 He wanted me to go bigger. I wouldn't. 426 00:24:27,395 --> 00:24:31,212 - It sounds to me like you miss the good ol' days. - Well, sure. Who doesn't? 427 00:24:31,271 --> 00:24:34,348 - Twenty-foot flames must get your juices going. - Objection. 428 00:24:34,412 --> 00:24:36,361 Sustained 429 00:24:38,255 --> 00:24:42,471 You testified that the defendant asked you to increase the fireworks at recent shows. 430 00:24:42,532 --> 00:24:44,481 - Is that correct? - Yeah. 431 00:24:44,537 --> 00:24:47,386 - He asked for bigger flames. - Did he ever say why? 432 00:24:47,445 --> 00:24:52,026 Publicity. You know, bring back the good ol' days. 433 00:24:52,090 --> 00:24:55,269 - To play big stadiums again. - That's right. 434 00:24:56,768 --> 00:24:59,309 You know, Mr. Stoller, I've been listening to you very carefully. 435 00:24:59,375 --> 00:25:03,728 And whenever you spoke about the band, you say “we.” 436 00:25:04,788 --> 00:25:08,537 I don't know. I've been with them 20 years. 437 00:25:08,598 --> 00:25:10,011 - You play guitar, do you? - No. 438 00:25:10,068 --> 00:25:13,213 - Keyboards. - I don't play an instrument. 439 00:25:13,277 --> 00:25:17,493 That's right. Your job is to play with fire. 440 00:25:22,733 --> 00:25:25,912 I'm always the last one on stage before the show. 441 00:25:25,975 --> 00:25:28,721 I--I test volume, 442 00:25:28,782 --> 00:25:31,700 make sure the cables are out of the way so nobody trips or anything. 443 00:25:31,756 --> 00:25:33,705 And you're alone when you do this? 444 00:25:33,761 --> 00:25:36,302 Nick and I usually do our things together. 445 00:25:36,368 --> 00:25:38,647 He finishes up before me though. 446 00:25:38,707 --> 00:25:42,126 - And the night of the tragedy at Danzibar? - Teddy was there with us. 447 00:25:42,183 --> 00:25:47,334 He was pissed off because the gig the night before didn't pull in capacity. 448 00:25:47,396 --> 00:25:49,572 He thought that we needed to shake things up a bit, 449 00:25:49,635 --> 00:25:53,087 you know, to bring us back to the big time. 450 00:25:53,143 --> 00:25:56,391 He asked Nickie to up the amps on the fire stunts. 451 00:25:56,451 --> 00:25:59,232 - And Nickie refused? - He said no way. 452 00:25:59,293 --> 00:26:01,674 With the ceilings in that club, it'd be a disaster. 453 00:26:01,731 --> 00:26:05,310 - And what happened next? - Nickie finished up with the flamethrowers and left. 454 00:26:05,374 --> 00:26:10,126 Then Teddy told me to add some more powder to the throwers. 455 00:26:10,186 --> 00:26:12,966 But I heard what Nickie just told him, sol said no way. 456 00:26:13,026 --> 00:26:16,069 He said just upping one of the throwers would be cool 457 00:26:16,134 --> 00:26:18,948 I told him I wasn't touching a thing. Then I left. 458 00:26:19,009 --> 00:26:22,552 And the defendant was on stage alone? 459 00:26:24,723 --> 00:26:26,728 As far as I know. 460 00:26:32,208 --> 00:26:35,855 - You're a soundman, aren't you? - That's right. 461 00:26:37,154 --> 00:26:40,470 Why would Mr. Connor think to ask you to rig the flamethrowers? 462 00:26:40,529 --> 00:26:44,483 With the models we use now, it's not really brain surgery. We all knew how they work. 463 00:26:44,539 --> 00:26:46,613 Who exactly? 464 00:26:46,678 --> 00:26:49,322 Teddy, Larry, Burly, 465 00:26:49,385 --> 00:26:52,268 James, Peter and Glen and probably Maxie too. 466 00:26:52,325 --> 00:26:54,900 - All of us. - I see. 467 00:26:54,965 --> 00:26:58,646 Now, when you left the stage prior to the show, 468 00:26:58,708 --> 00:27:01,750 you don't know how long the defendant remained there, do you? 469 00:27:01,816 --> 00:27:04,164 - No. - And you can't say... 470 00:27:04,222 --> 00:27:09,475 if Larry or Burly or James or Maxie showed up after he left. 471 00:27:09,535 --> 00:27:11,484 No. 472 00:27:17,555 --> 00:27:21,566 Mm, it was dark. Um, then the curtains came up. 473 00:27:21,632 --> 00:27:24,207 Were the band members on the stage? 474 00:27:24,272 --> 00:27:26,756 They were sort of back near the drums. 475 00:27:26,812 --> 00:27:28,761 And then? 476 00:27:28,817 --> 00:27:32,430 Then James played a loud chord, 477 00:27:32,493 --> 00:27:35,501 and, um, they moved into position. 478 00:27:35,567 --> 00:27:38,883 It was still dark. Where were they on the stage? 479 00:27:38,943 --> 00:27:41,483 Bury was back by the drums. 480 00:27:41,548 --> 00:27:46,562 Um, James and Teddy were by the mike in the center of the stage. 481 00:27:46,628 --> 00:27:50,913 - And Larry? - Larry was off to the left, near me. 482 00:27:50,973 --> 00:27:54,755 What happened then? James played another chord 483 00:27:54,816 --> 00:27:57,356 The flamethrowers, they shot up, straight up. 484 00:27:57,423 --> 00:28:02,140 And, um-- 485 00:28:02,201 --> 00:28:05,415 That's when I, uh-- That's when I heard- 486 00:28:07,381 --> 00:28:09,523 What Teresa? 487 00:28:09,586 --> 00:28:11,830 I heard Larry scream. 488 00:28:11,892 --> 00:28:15,003 The flames on my side of the stage hit the ceiling, 489 00:28:15,066 --> 00:28:17,812 and there's, like, a big flash. 490 00:28:19,344 --> 00:28:21,554 It was on fire. 491 00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:24,157 And soon the whole ceiling-- 492 00:28:24,223 --> 00:28:27,539 It fell on his head, and he was on fire. 493 00:28:38,191 --> 00:28:40,539 How was it you came to be standing backstage? 494 00:28:43,338 --> 00:28:45,982 Um, I know some of the guys in the band. 495 00:28:46,044 --> 00:28:48,551 One in particular? 496 00:28:48,617 --> 00:28:52,160 - Teddy. - And he invited you backstage to his dressing room, did he? 497 00:28:57,741 --> 00:29:00,692 Please speak up. 498 00:29:00,748 --> 00:29:02,697 Yes. 499 00:29:02,753 --> 00:29:05,739 But I know for a fact that he didn't rig the flamethrower. 500 00:29:06,797 --> 00:29:12,118 - How can you be sure? - Because I was with him the whole time until they started playing. 501 00:29:12,177 --> 00:29:14,182 And where exactly were you and Mr. Connor? 502 00:29:15,652 --> 00:29:18,637 We were in the band's tour bus. 503 00:29:20,063 --> 00:29:24,518 He and I were- You know. 504 00:29:24,574 --> 00:29:27,560 No. You're gonna have to be more specific. 505 00:29:29,922 --> 00:29:31,871 We were screwing, okay? 506 00:29:37,307 --> 00:29:39,312 That's not what she told the cops. 507 00:29:43,957 --> 00:29:46,601 This isn't a game, Teresa. I'm telling the truth. 508 00:29:46,663 --> 00:29:48,612 Then why didn't you tell anyone before? 509 00:29:48,668 --> 00:29:51,950 I'm 18 years old. I live at home. My mother-- 510 00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:54,551 - Why are you doing this? - Because that's what happened. 511 00:29:54,617 --> 00:29:57,192 She thinks I'm a virgin. I'm not. 512 00:29:57,257 --> 00:29:59,707 Do you think he gives a damn about you? 513 00:29:59,763 --> 00:30:02,475 - What do you care? - It's wrong, Terry! 514 00:30:02,537 --> 00:30:05,021 If he started that fire-- If he killed all those people-- 515 00:30:05,076 --> 00:30:08,790 He didn't. He was with me in the tour bus. 516 00:30:08,853 --> 00:30:10,961 He couldn't have done anything to the flamethrower. 517 00:30:18,878 --> 00:30:22,262 Of course I 'd like to play bigger places. What musician wouldn't? 518 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,465 But, you know, lightin' some joint on fire-- that's no way to get there. 519 00:30:25,528 --> 00:30:29,949 So you never asked Nick Stoller to increase the flames? 520 00:30:30,006 --> 00:30:33,116 Hell. Sure, I did. I mean, I asked if we could. 521 00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:38,035 'Cause that fire, man, it would get my adrenaline pumpin', get that adrenaline blastin'. 522 00:30:38,093 --> 00:30:40,303 You know, it made for a better gig. 523 00:30:40,365 --> 00:30:43,909 But, uh, he says that's as high as we can go, I believe him. 524 00:30:43,974 --> 00:30:45,923 - No questions asked. - That's right. 525 00:30:45,979 --> 00:30:48,019 I mean, that's what I pay him for. 526 00:30:48,084 --> 00:30:52,095 I know this is dangerous and-- I loved Larry. 527 00:30:52,161 --> 00:30:54,771 I love this band,you know? 528 00:30:54,834 --> 00:30:58,286 I'd be nothin' without them and my fans. 529 00:30:58,343 --> 00:31:02,229 So your sound man, Mitch Sellman, he was lying on the stand.... 530 00:31:02,286 --> 00:31:06,206 when he said that you asked him to increase the flames. 531 00:31:06,263 --> 00:31:10,741 Yes, he was. I don't know why he'd want to do that to me, 532 00:31:10,808 --> 00:31:12,757 but he was lying. 533 00:31:12,813 --> 00:31:14,818 And before the show, where were you? 534 00:31:16,188 --> 00:31:20,610 Well, like the girl said, you know? I was in the bus, me and her. 535 00:31:24,609 --> 00:31:26,786 “The girl." You don't know her name. 536 00:31:26,849 --> 00:31:28,957 We play a lot of cities, man. 537 00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:34,205 And there are lots of nameless, faceless ports in the storm. 538 00:31:34,267 --> 00:31:36,683 Yeah, that's right. That's part of the gig. 539 00:31:36,740 --> 00:31:38,916 Sex and drugs and rock and roll. 540 00:31:38,979 --> 00:31:41,053 I gave up the drugs about 10 years ago. 541 00:31:41,117 --> 00:31:44,501 - But not the sex. - Not till I die. 542 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:48,536 What about the rock and roll? 543 00:31:48,603 --> 00:31:51,052 Well, that's why I live, you know? 544 00:31:51,109 --> 00:31:53,491 Nothin' in the world like being on stage in front of people that love my music. 545 00:31:53,549 --> 00:31:57,503 - Nothin' between me and them-- - Except a wall of fire. 546 00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,704 It turns 'em on. I mean, rock is spectacle. 547 00:32:00,767 --> 00:32:03,513 And the bigger the fire, the bigger the spectacle. 548 00:32:03,574 --> 00:32:07,825 That's right, you know. I mean, my fans want it, I give it to 'em. 549 00:32:07,885 --> 00:32:13,206 Even though there area 't as many as there used to be. 550 00:32:13,265 --> 00:32:15,647 - They're still out there. That's right. What was I thinking? 551 00:32:15,705 --> 00:32:18,987 You did bring, what, 300 people to that club. 552 00:32:19,046 --> 00:32:23,125 - We sold it out. - With people who love your music. 553 00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:25,139 That's right. 554 00:32:25,195 --> 00:32:30,175 - With people who would do anything to protect you. - Objection! 555 00:32:30,241 --> 00:32:31,916 - Sustained. - You know what, man.' 556 00:32:31,978 --> 00:32:34,052 They would do anything, 'cause we were gods. 557 00:32:34,117 --> 00:32:37,866 They worshiped us. They slept in line for days to hear us. 558 00:32:37,927 --> 00:32:40,138 They sat in the mud. They sat in the rain. 559 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,154 Must be difficult when all that worship disappears. 560 00:32:44,209 --> 00:32:50,134 - Only it didn't. - Well, at least not for one teenage girl anyway. 561 00:32:52,563 --> 00:32:55,640 I was in that bus with her. 562 00:32:55,705 --> 00:32:58,280 I'm sure you were. 563 00:32:59,448 --> 00:33:02,627 Tell me, Mr. Connor. How old are you? 564 00:33:05,796 --> 00:33:07,745 Fifty-two. 565 00:33:12,146 --> 00:33:14,095 Thank you. 566 00:33:17,761 --> 00:33:20,335 I thought the jury would be back by now. 567 00:33:20,401 --> 00:33:25,187 Don't worry. Teddy Connor looked like a pitiful has-been willing to do anything to recapture his past. 568 00:33:25,246 --> 00:33:29,166 And Teresa Drosi looked like a groupie willing to say anything to protect her idol. 569 00:33:29,222 --> 00:33:31,227 Let's hope the jury sees it that way. 570 00:33:34,769 --> 00:33:36,774 Mr. Branch's office. 571 00:33:38,412 --> 00:33:42,457 Fine. Judge Burns would like to see you first thing tomorrow morning. 572 00:33:44,327 --> 00:33:48,543 The jury has requested they be read the entirety of Teresa Drosi's testimony. Any objections? 573 00:33:48,604 --> 00:33:52,353 - Does it make a difference that she's lying through her teeth? - Isn't that for a jury to decide? 574 00:33:52,414 --> 00:33:54,522 I'll repeat my question. 575 00:33:54,586 --> 00:33:56,797 - Are there any objections? - No, Your Honor. 576 00:33:56,859 --> 00:33:59,400 - Not from me, Judge. - Now, wasn't that easy? 577 00:34:03,775 --> 00:34:07,820 Just a thought, Your Honor. Who's gonna be reading the transcript in the jury room? 578 00:34:07,886 --> 00:34:10,461 - My clerk. - Mr. Rodriguez 579 00:34:10,526 --> 00:34:13,273 - That's right. - Then I do have an objection. 580 00:34:13,333 --> 00:34:17,754 - The emotional nature of her testimony might be obscured by a man. - Come on. Her words are her words. 581 00:34:17,811 --> 00:34:21,287 Yes, but her credibility depends on how those words are reenacted to the jury. 582 00:34:21,353 --> 00:34:25,364 - I'm not gonna go out and hire another clerk for this, counselor - I'm not asking you to. 583 00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:27,379 The cameras in the courtroom filmed the entire proceeding. 584 00:34:27,435 --> 00:34:30,421 - Why don't we let them actually see Teresa Drosi's testimony? - Absolutely not. 585 00:34:30,476 --> 00:34:33,427 Other than the five pounds the camera adds to her, give me one good reason. 586 00:34:33,483 --> 00:34:36,526 The cameras in and of themselves violate the statutory language. 587 00:34:36,592 --> 00:34:41,275 To actually allow their use in the proceedings would compound that violation exponentially. 588 00:34:41,337 --> 00:34:45,850 - It's reversible error. - Last time I checked, we were after accuracy. 589 00:34:45,915 --> 00:34:49,299 - And you believe every image you see in the 6:00 news? - You know what, jack? 590 00:34:49,357 --> 00:34:52,468 We've got a horse. We might as well get what we can from her mouth. 591 00:34:55,038 --> 00:34:58,080 - She still lying? - We were screwing, okay? 592 00:34:58,146 --> 00:35:00,322 To be honest, I can't tell anymore. 593 00:35:01,788 --> 00:35:04,466 You tell me if this isn't reasonable doubt. 594 00:35:07,469 --> 00:35:09,918 And where exactly were you and Mr. Connor? 595 00:35:09,975 --> 00:35:13,052 Uh, we were in the band's tour bus. 596 00:35:14,988 --> 00:35:19,375 He and I were- You know. 597 00:35:19,433 --> 00:35:22,281 No. You're gonna have to be more specific. 598 00:35:24,411 --> 00:35:27,260 We were screwing, okay? 599 00:35:27,319 --> 00:35:31,296 - Well? - Look at her eyes. 600 00:35:31,363 --> 00:35:35,613 - She's embarrassed - No. If she were embarrassed, she'd be looking down. 601 00:35:35,673 --> 00:35:39,092 - Okay. She's proud she slept with her hero. - Then I'd think she 'd look at him. 602 00:35:39,149 --> 00:35:41,098 I don't think that's pride on her face. I think that's defiance. 603 00:35:41,154 --> 00:35:43,695 She's looking directly into the back of the gallery. 604 00:35:43,761 --> 00:35:47,111 - Who was sitting there? - Her mother. 605 00:35:47,169 --> 00:35:48,981 Her doting, overprotective mother. 606 00:35:49,041 --> 00:35:51,855 Who didn't want her to go to the concert in the first place. 607 00:35:51,914 --> 00:35:54,524 Do you really think she'd lie on the stand to provoke her mother? 608 00:35:54,587 --> 00:35:57,071 You were once a teenage girl. You tell me. 609 00:35:58,731 --> 00:36:01,717 - I'll round them all up. - No, not yet. 610 00:36:01,772 --> 00:36:04,815 I'm thinking we ought to try a little one-on-one first. 611 00:36:08,756 --> 00:36:10,865 I've said in court what happened 612 00:36:10,929 --> 00:36:13,139 I think you said what you wanted to have happened. 613 00:36:13,201 --> 00:36:15,776 Well, you're wrong then. 614 00:36:15,841 --> 00:36:18,325 I've been there, Teresa. 615 00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:20,590 You slept with a rock star. 616 00:36:20,653 --> 00:36:24,196 No, but I had a mother. 617 00:36:24,262 --> 00:36:26,211 I don't know what you mean. 618 00:36:26,267 --> 00:36:28,307 A mother who dragged me to church every Sunday... 619 00:36:28,372 --> 00:36:31,985 and who thought that sex was something that should only happen between husband and wife. 620 00:36:32,048 --> 00:36:34,497 - You are so off-base. - Am I? 621 00:36:34,555 --> 00:36:38,098 - Mm. - 'Cause I saw your mom. 622 00:36:38,163 --> 00:36:42,983 - I saw the look she had in her eye when you said that you slept with Teddy. - So? 623 00:36:43,042 --> 00:36:48,022 So it's the same look my mom had when I came home from my junior prom at 6:00 a.m. 624 00:36:48,088 --> 00:36:51,336 Nothing happened, but I kinda liked her assuming the worst. 625 00:36:52,733 --> 00:36:55,183 I don't know why she wants to help him. 626 00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:58,659 On the other hand, maybe she's telling the truth. 627 00:36:58,715 --> 00:37:02,601 No. I mean, Teresa's not like that. 628 00:37:02,658 --> 00:37:07,843 If that's the case, I wonder if her lies were meant more to hurt you than to help him. 629 00:37:07,905 --> 00:37:10,515 I don't know what you're talking about. 630 00:37:10,578 --> 00:37:14,623 I'm a father, Ms. Drosi. I know the battles that go on between teenage girls and their mothers. 631 00:37:14,688 --> 00:37:18,608 Terry and I-- She loves me. 632 00:37:18,665 --> 00:37:24,215 Now is not the time to be some kind of puritanical hero, Ms. Drosi. 633 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,755 - If there's any chance Teresa was with Teddy Connor- - No. 634 00:37:28,991 --> 00:37:32,672 Then I can and will bring criminal charges against her. 635 00:37:32,734 --> 00:37:35,514 - For what? - I'll start with perjury... 636 00:37:35,574 --> 00:37:37,784 and move on to abetting 23 counts of murder. 637 00:37:37,846 --> 00:37:43,703 - She didn't do anything. - She's helping Teddy Connor cover up any number of felonies. 638 00:37:43,761 --> 00:37:47,408 - If you know why... - Because she's a stupid little... 639 00:37:50,913 --> 00:37:53,761 Look, she's lying. 640 00:37:53,821 --> 00:37:56,031 I know she's lying. 641 00:37:57,897 --> 00:37:59,902 Why is it so hard to believe he'd sleep with me? 642 00:37:59,969 --> 00:38:02,579 - That's not what I'm saying. - There are a lot of guys that are interested in me. 643 00:38:02,642 --> 00:38:05,058 I'm sure there are. Look at him, Teresa. 644 00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:08,364 - Is Teddy Connor someone... - He's a great musician. 645 00:38:08,424 --> 00:38:11,307 He's a genius. He writes all of the band's music. 646 00:38:12,901 --> 00:38:17,357 I am sorry, but that is hardly a reason to throw your life away. 647 00:38:20,220 --> 00:38:24,333 - What are you talking about? - Perjury is a crime, Teresa. 648 00:38:24,397 --> 00:38:26,847 So is “accomplice after the fact." 649 00:38:26,904 --> 00:38:30,356 If Teddy Connor gets away with this because of your lying, 650 00:38:30,412 --> 00:38:32,896 Jack McCoy is gonna take his anger out on someone. 651 00:38:37,296 --> 00:38:39,871 You're gonna have to prove I lied, then, 652 00:38:39,936 --> 00:38:42,216 and you can't do that. 653 00:38:45,684 --> 00:38:50,140 Well, if it's any consolation, it looks like the jury's as confused as we are. 654 00:38:50,195 --> 00:38:53,910 Only I'm not confused. Teresa Drosi all but told me she was lying. 655 00:38:53,972 --> 00:38:57,983 Did you tell her she could spend her twenties in Ossining on us? 656 00:38:58,048 --> 00:39:00,828 She's protecting a musical genius. 657 00:39:00,889 --> 00:39:02,894 Let me ask you both something. 658 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,604 A hypothetical mother is told that all she has to do to keep her daughter out of prison... 659 00:39:05,667 --> 00:39:09,280 is say that said daughter slept with a hypothetical rock star, 660 00:39:09,343 --> 00:39:12,226 yet that mother refuses to do that. 661 00:39:13,922 --> 00:39:17,431 - Why? - To protect her baby's good name? 662 00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:20,449 She is going to prison. 663 00:39:20,505 --> 00:39:23,980 Well, if the hypothetical rock star was particularly disgusting-- 664 00:39:27,188 --> 00:39:29,137 Oh, my God. 665 00:39:30,597 --> 00:39:32,979 I think now's the time to round them all up. 666 00:39:36,946 --> 00:39:39,692 With the jury out this long, why would I consider a deal? 667 00:39:39,753 --> 00:39:43,069 I'm not here to offer a deal. 668 00:39:43,128 --> 00:39:45,077 Look, we were together, like she said. 669 00:39:45,133 --> 00:39:49,452 Oh, come on. What would she be doing with a has-been like you? 670 00:39:49,511 --> 00:39:51,254 Ask her. Do you know how many records I've sold? 671 00:39:51,315 --> 00:39:54,358 I know how many records you've sold in the last 10 years. 672 00:39:54,423 --> 00:39:58,309 - I think your fans finally caught on to you, Mr. Connor. - Right. 673 00:39:58,366 --> 00:40:01,979 Actually, people who know about these things tell me you were never that good in the first place. 674 00:40:02,043 --> 00:40:06,897 - Those people would be wrong. - Why else would you need the gimmicks? 675 00:40:06,955 --> 00:40:10,932 If you don't have talent, light up the stage. 676 00:40:10,998 --> 00:40:13,380 You don't have to be a genius to figure that out. 677 00:40:13,438 --> 00:40:16,617 If you don't have a deal on the table, why should we sit here and be insulted? 678 00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:18,628 You just don't get rock and roll. 679 00:40:18,684 --> 00:40:21,601 - Apparently you don't either. - Stop! Leave him alone. 680 00:40:24,866 --> 00:40:27,612 I know you're good. 681 00:40:27,674 --> 00:40:31,753 The odds are good he's gonna go to prison no matter what you say, Teresa. 682 00:40:31,817 --> 00:40:35,669 Speak up now, or you're gonna join him. 683 00:40:41,007 --> 00:40:43,582 Well, at least you have one fan, Mr. Connor. 684 00:40:43,647 --> 00:40:48,763 How many other pseudo-stars can say they have a fan willing to go to jail for 'em? 685 00:40:48,827 --> 00:40:51,903 The shame of it all is... 686 00:40:51,967 --> 00:40:54,212 it won't do any good. 687 00:40:54,274 --> 00:40:58,353 Twenty-three life sentences running consecutively is gonna be the best you're gonna get 688 00:40:58,417 --> 00:41:00,958 That's if the jury's feeling generous. 689 00:41:01,024 --> 00:41:03,064 The flip side of that coin is a needle. 690 00:41:03,129 --> 00:41:05,909 Stop, please! Please, stop! 691 00:41:07,474 --> 00:41:11,222 Teddy didn't light the fire It was me. 692 00:41:11,283 --> 00:41:14,097 - Shut up, Terry. - Mom, it was. It's true. 693 00:41:14,157 --> 00:41:16,664 Teddy, damn it! 694 00:41:23,313 --> 00:41:25,455 If you have something to say, Mrs. Drosi. 695 00:41:25,518 --> 00:41:27,968 It's “Miss.” 696 00:41:29,161 --> 00:41:31,508 One stupid night. 697 00:41:31,567 --> 00:41:34,485 I should've had my head examined! 698 00:41:35,778 --> 00:41:38,763 It was nothing for you, but-- 699 00:41:38,818 --> 00:41:41,063 But for me-- For us-- 700 00:41:46,772 --> 00:41:48,812 I don't know what's going on here. I don't want to know. 701 00:41:48,877 --> 00:41:51,521 Come on Teddy We'll take our chances with the jury 702 00:41:53,288 --> 00:41:55,670 He just gave you his D.N.A., baby. 703 00:41:55,728 --> 00:41:59,614 He was never a father. You don't owe him anything. 704 00:41:59,671 --> 00:42:01,950 - Forget her. - How dare you! 705 00:42:02,010 --> 00:42:05,554 Do you think giving her a couple tickets twice a year gives you the right to ruin her life? 706 00:42:05,619 --> 00:42:08,833 Look, I did it, Mr. McCoy. 707 00:42:08,894 --> 00:42:12,210 I loaded the flamethrower. I didn't know that Larry or the ceiling-- 708 00:42:12,269 --> 00:42:14,981 I just- I didn't think. 709 00:42:15,043 --> 00:42:19,088 - You don't have to do this for him. - But I did it, Mom. 710 00:42:24,099 --> 00:42:27,745 I heard you say to Nick that you wanted more fire. 711 00:42:29,179 --> 00:42:33,656 I thought that if-- that if you were on top again, 712 00:42:35,628 --> 00:42:37,633 Maybe then you'd-- 713 00:42:44,216 --> 00:42:46,221 We're done here. 714 00:43:02,997 --> 00:43:05,914 Teresa's lawyer wants to plea. 715 00:43:05,971 --> 00:43:09,219 - What are you gonna do? - Talk to him. 716 00:43:09,279 --> 00:43:11,490 Is that sympathy I hear? 717 00:43:11,552 --> 00:43:14,366 My father, the only one of my tennis matches he actually came to, 718 00:43:14,426 --> 00:43:16,375 he spent doing paperwork. 719 00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:21,410 It didn't make me love him less. It just made me try that much harder to make him love me more. 720 00:43:21,477 --> 00:43:23,687 Were you successful? 721 00:43:23,749 --> 00:43:25,754 You should see my backhand.