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NARRATOR:
In the criminal justice system
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the people are represented
by two separate
yet equally important groups,
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the police
who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Why you eat that crap?
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Tastes good.
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What's wrong with our pizza?
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Not for breakfast.
The tomato gives me
that acid reflux.
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Don't you ever let your
mother hear you say that.
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Whoa, Pop!
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What?
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Oh, dear God.
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White male, late teens,
early 20s.
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Stab wound to the chest,
pretty deep.
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Time of death?
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From lividity and body temp,
my guess'd be 2:00 to 5:00
this morning.
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Any luck with
the murder weapon?
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ESU's still lookin'.
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Well, the wallet's gone.
No cash, no ID.
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Check out this blood trail.
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We also found traces of blood
on the sidewalk out front.
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So, the guy gets jumped
out there...
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Yeah, and dragged back here
to rest in peace.
Who found the body?
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Pizza guys,
opening for the day.
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So, maybe he came by
for a slice.
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Well, he got one.
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I don't remember him
comin' in here,
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but we do a pretty good
business at night.
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How late were you open?
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The last customers
trickled in about 1:45.
We locked up by 2:30.
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Anybody see or hear
anything strange?
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Nothing strange
but the customers.
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What do you mean?
At that hour?
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Mostly hookers and hustlers
comin' east off the river.
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Kills me.
What?
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SAL SR.: That These people
come in here all strung out.
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Neighborhood's had
two muggings in the
past week.
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Some of these guys are
wearin' skirts and heels.
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I mean, they even use
the ladies' room.
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So, we're looking for
a killer transvestite?
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Yeah, with a taste
for sausage.
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We talked to the RIP guys.
There's no word on any
dangerous transvestite.
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But we did get the fives
on the two recent muggings.
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Yeah, one of the perps
was picked up
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on a turnstile jump
a few days ago.
He's in Rikers.
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Well, that's
a convincing alibi.
And the other one?
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Purse snatcher,
still at large.
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The beat cops
are canvassing with
his description.
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Well, what about our victim?
Does he have a name yet?
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Computers have been down
all morning.
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Cordova's just running
the prints now.
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Well, tell me
we got something
from the crime scene.
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Well, according to
the Medical Examiner,
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John Doe was killed with
a 6-inch blade, curved
and very sharp.
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A hunting knife or some
kind of tool, maybe.
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Got a hit off of BCI.
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Victim's name is
Andrew Hatcher,
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but there's no listing
of him in the city.
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BRISCOE: What was
the collar for?
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It was sealed two years back.
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Well, it could be
because he was a YO.
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There's just a name, date
and location of arrest.
Washington Square Park.
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Eighth Precinct.
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Find out who ran
the conditions car that day.
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Mostly we'd break up
gangs of kids gettin' high.
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They got rowdy,
we'd toss 'em in the truck.
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In my day we called it
The Goon Squad.
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You recognize this kid?
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Mmm.
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Sorry.
Well,
you made the collar.
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Your remember
anything about it?
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Andrew Hatcher,
October 12th, 2000.
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We know it was a while back,
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but we were hopin'
maybe this kid made
an impression.
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No, not him, the date.
October 12th, Columbus Day.
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Is that a big day for you?
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Student protest
at Stuyvesant College.
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Five hundred years
of American imperialism
or some crap.
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There's always a few
who take it too far.
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You know,
throw a bottle or somethin'.
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So, you sure the protest
was that year?
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Yeah, it happens every year
Except for this one,
of course.
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And these were
all college kids?
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Who else is gonna
protest a holiday?
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Here we go. Andrew Hatcher,
currently a senior.
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What about an address?
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427, Lakeview Drive,
Amherst, Massachusetts.
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That must be the parents.
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Or it's a hell of a commute.
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No New York address?
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These kids
move around so much.
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All I have for Hatcher
is a PO box at
the student union.
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What about a class schedule?
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Journalism 415.
Sociology 305,
Group Dynamics.
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History 230, Economics
and Social Injustice.
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Earth Science 307.
Environmental Ethics.
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GREEN: How about a class
this afternoon?
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Earth Science lecture's
in half an hour.
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You want to check that out?
See if anybody knows
where he lives?
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If I can sit in the back.
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Thank you.
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NORTON: Andy's been
my roommate
for the past six months.
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Yeah, we talked to
a student who told us
Andy had Journalism class
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yesterday until 3:00.
Did you see him after that?
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The last time I saw Andy
was around 5:00 p.m.
He was comin', I was goin'.
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We talked about seein'
this band on Saturday.
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We're just tryin' to
figure out where he
might've gone last night.
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He didn't mention
anything to me.
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Man, none of this
seems real.
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Is this Andy's stuff?
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We were gonna switch rooms
at the end of the semester.
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I'd like to
take a look around,
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see if he left a date book
or messages or something.
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Sure, go ahead.
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We found him in Chelsea
near 14th Street.
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You know of any places
he liked to hang out
around there?
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Uh, any bars maybe.
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Andy didn't drink
on week nights.
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It's more likely
he was at the library.
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Lennie.
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Is this yours or Andy's?
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Hey,
we're homicide, not vice.
Don't worry about it.
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But you gotta help us out.
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Now, is this recreational
or did he sell, or what?
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We were just buying
dime bags for ourselves.
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GREEN: Buying them from where?
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Sometimes 14th
near where you said.
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But I swear,
it was always just dimes.
(CELL PHONE RINGING)
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Yeah, Green.
Did you buy from
anybody in particular?
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You just walk
up and down the street
and someone shows up.
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It's like a different dealer
every time.
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Lennie,
the parents are comin' in.
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We're gonna have to
take this with us.
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I should've called the police.
I knew something was wrong.
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GREEN: Mrs. Hatcher, can you
tell us what happened?
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Andy called me
early this morning
but we got cut off.
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I kept calling back,
but there was no answer.
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What time did your son call,
Mrs. Hatcher?
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A little after 9:00 a.m.
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I picked up the phone,
but there was no one there.
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What made you think
it was him?
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We have caller ID.
The number was
Andy's cell phone.
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We didn't find a cell phone
with your son's belongings.
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Andy never went anywhere
without that phone.
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This had already happened
by 5:00 a.m.,
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so it wasn't Andy
that called you.
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Then who was it?
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Hey, according to
the cell phone company,
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there's no way to trace
the phone's location
with that model.
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You get something for me?
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They didn't have any tofu.
What about the LUDs?
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Well, we got a few noteworthy
phone calls this morning.
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First off, we got 9:04 a.m.,
508 area code,
four seconds long.
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The call to Mom.
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Exactly. The guy probably
hit redial by mistake.
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But check this out
9:57 a.m.
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Almost an hour later.
Uh-huh.
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212 area code.
Call lasted four minutes,
36 seconds.
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Pretty talkative
for a dead guy.
Exactly.
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You want half?
Mmm-mmm.
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ZWYBEL: Nobody called here
this morning.
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I was at work by 8:00,
and my daughter was in school.
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Phone records don't lie,
Mr. Zwybel.
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Well, maybe it was
a wrong number or something.
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The call lasted
almost five minutes.
Somebody was here.
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Katie!
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Were you in school today?
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Yeah.
You tellin' me the truth?
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Yeah.
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Well, then who was here
talkin' on the phone
this morning?
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Okay, I went in late.
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I only missed gym.
I swear.
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We'll talk about this later.
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GREEN: Who called you, Katie?
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Bobby.
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Bobby Foster.
Kid from the neighborhood.
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BRISCOE: What'd he say to you?
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Just that he got
a new cell this morning.
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Do you know
where we can find him?
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Yeah, he plays ball every day
after school at the projects.
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Yo, Iverson.
We need to talk.
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Yo, but the game...
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Consider yourself benched.
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You made a phone call
to your friend Katie
this morning?
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Yeah, but I didn't do
anything wrong.
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Well, then you got
nothin' to worry about.
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Just tell us
where you got the phone.
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I bought it.
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You bought it? From who?
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This isn't a game, Bobby.
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The kid who owned that phone
is dead.
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What?
Jimmy killed some dude?
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GREEN: Jimmy who?
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I don't know.
He's this hustler.
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He works on the corner
near my school.
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He sold me the phone
for 5 bucks.
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Where is it?
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My friend Ron told me
I was a fool.
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He said I'd probably
get busted for it.
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So, I threw it under a subway
after I called Katie.
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Where can we find this Jimmy?
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He hangs out on 12th.
Wears a red leather jacket.
You can't miss him.
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What do you want?
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What you sellin', Jimmy?
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You lookin' for a date, cop?
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How much for just a feel?
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Oh, I guess
you take it for free, man.
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Oh, this looks like
stolen property, Ed.
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"To Andy.
Love, Mom and Dad."
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Just once I'd like to make
one of you bastards break
the news to the parents.
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His name's Andrew Hatcher.
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You tried to sell him
some weed, right?
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Maybe he didn't like
the size of your bags.
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You two get into an argument,
the next thing know,
it was you or him.
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The D.A. might even
reduce the charge to
manslaughter, Jimmy,
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if that's what happened.
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I don't sell drugs.
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No, you just use 'em, right?
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I got it under control.
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Well, if it wasn't drugs,
then what were you doin'
with Andy?
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Nothin' man.
I've never seen
this kid before.
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Then how'd you wind up
with his cell phone?
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You're not gonna believe me,
so what's the point?
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The point is
you got nothin' to lose.
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Found it in a dumpster
this morning.
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(CHUCKLES) You're right.
I don't believe you.
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It's where
I was hidin' my stash.
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There was other stuff
in there, too.
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What kind of stuff?
A wallet.
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What'd you do with it?
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I left it there.
It was all messed up.
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What do you mean,
messed up?
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Blood on it.
Man, I didn't want to
touch that. Got diseases.
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This from a guy
who keeps his stuff
in a dumpster.
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GREEN:
Is this dumpster still there?
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They only move it
once a week.
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Let's go.
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00:11:12,504 --> 00:11:14,177
You sure
this is the right one?
240
00:11:14,239 --> 00:11:15,547
Yeah.
241
00:11:15,607 --> 00:11:16,881
Look at this.
242
00:11:17,776 --> 00:11:19,255
It's a portable pharmacy.
243
00:11:19,310 --> 00:11:24,316
And a bloody wallet
belonging to one
Andrew Hatcher.
244
00:11:25,649 --> 00:11:27,128
What's the matter, Jimmy?
245
00:11:27,184 --> 00:11:29,164
Didn't even want to take
the 8 bucks cash?
246
00:11:29,219 --> 00:11:30,892
Look, I told you,
I didn't touch it.
247
00:11:31,321 --> 00:11:33,028
Nothin' else in here
but sand.
248
00:11:33,090 --> 00:11:34,125
Can I go now?
249
00:11:34,191 --> 00:11:36,535
Oh, you're not off the hook
that easy, punk.
250
00:11:36,593 --> 00:11:39,267
Cops are searchin'
the whole neighborhood now
for the murder weapon.
251
00:11:39,329 --> 00:11:41,502
Once they find it,
they're gonna check it
for your prints.
252
00:11:41,565 --> 00:11:43,511
Why would I show you all this
if I killed that kid?
253
00:11:43,567 --> 00:11:45,740
Because that stuff
doesn't even point
the finger at you.
254
00:11:45,803 --> 00:11:48,647
Detectives.
We found something.
255
00:11:52,543 --> 00:11:54,283
Don't need a lab test
to tell us that's blood.
256
00:11:54,343 --> 00:11:55,822
With any luck
it's the victim's.
257
00:11:55,878 --> 00:11:58,119
Victim's blood,
killer's shirt. This yours?
258
00:11:58,181 --> 00:11:59,489
No, that ain't mine.
259
00:11:59,549 --> 00:12:00,926
Can you run this over
to the lab?
260
00:12:00,983 --> 00:12:02,860
Yeah, we're gonna need
a sample from your suspect.
261
00:12:02,919 --> 00:12:04,489
Test for a match
on the shirt.
262
00:12:04,554 --> 00:12:06,227
Hair, fibers, blood,
everything.
263
00:12:06,289 --> 00:12:09,361
Get ready to
open a vein, Jimmy
if you got any left.
264
00:12:10,893 --> 00:12:12,895
After excluding a few leaves
and some rain water,
265
00:12:12,962 --> 00:12:14,839
I ran serology
and fiber analysis tests
266
00:12:14,897 --> 00:12:16,570
on every square centimeter
of the shirt.
267
00:12:16,632 --> 00:12:18,976
Your victim's blood was
all over it. Thanks.
268
00:12:19,035 --> 00:12:20,639
But no match
for our suspect?
269
00:12:20,703 --> 00:12:22,580
I found a few hair shafts,
but they were all gray,
270
00:12:22,638 --> 00:12:24,378
not consistent
with the suspect.
271
00:12:24,940 --> 00:12:26,078
I guess Jimmy
caught a break.
272
00:12:26,141 --> 00:12:27,677
But I did find
something significant.
273
00:12:27,742 --> 00:12:29,688
Something significant
about the perp, I hope.
274
00:12:29,745 --> 00:12:31,850
Not unless your killer's
got hooves.
275
00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,822
When I first ran
the immunologic test
on the samples,
276
00:12:34,883 --> 00:12:37,261
I got a non-human
antibody response.
277
00:12:37,319 --> 00:12:39,230
I'm thinking
you get that a lot.
278
00:12:39,521 --> 00:12:41,660
Well, take a look at this.
279
00:12:43,291 --> 00:12:45,828
Uh, these are magnified
microscopic photos
280
00:12:45,894 --> 00:12:48,500
of actual red blood cells
taken from the samples.
281
00:12:48,563 --> 00:12:51,100
Do you see the large area of
central pallor in this one?
282
00:12:51,166 --> 00:12:53,941
I see a white spot
surrounded by a red spot.
283
00:12:54,001 --> 00:12:55,878
That's a normal human
red blood cell.
284
00:12:55,936 --> 00:12:57,244
So, what's the other one?
285
00:12:58,272 --> 00:12:59,717
Bovine.
286
00:13:02,877 --> 00:13:06,825
As in cow?
Does that mean our killer
had steak for dinner?
287
00:13:06,881 --> 00:13:09,054
The lab tech says
the blood cells were
still intact,
288
00:13:09,116 --> 00:13:10,857
meaning that the blood
was uncooked.
289
00:13:10,918 --> 00:13:14,661
So, the killer handled
raw beef. A butcher?
290
00:13:14,722 --> 00:13:18,693
The shirt was found in
a sewer at Washington
and Gansevoort Streets.
291
00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:21,238
That's right in the heart of
the Meatpacking District.
292
00:13:21,294 --> 00:13:22,398
Well, that makes sense.
293
00:13:22,462 --> 00:13:24,442
Besides prostitutes
and junkies,
294
00:13:24,497 --> 00:13:28,104
meatpackers would be the
only activity in the area
at 4:00 a.m.
295
00:13:28,168 --> 00:13:30,546
Hey, do you remember
the M.E.'s profile of
the murder weapon?
296
00:13:30,603 --> 00:13:32,378
A 6-inch curved blade.
297
00:13:32,438 --> 00:13:34,816
Uh-huh.
We did some checking.
298
00:13:35,208 --> 00:13:37,154
It's consistent with
a butcher's boning knife.
299
00:13:37,644 --> 00:13:40,648
All right,
show Hatcher's photo
around the meat plants.
300
00:13:44,284 --> 00:13:47,128
Put those sides in
the walk-in for now.
301
00:13:47,187 --> 00:13:48,495
Are you the manager?
302
00:13:48,555 --> 00:13:50,864
I'm the owner,
Arthur King. Why?
303
00:13:50,923 --> 00:13:54,962
Any of you guys seen
this man around here?
His name's Andrew Hatcher.
304
00:13:55,861 --> 00:13:57,135
Don't recognize him.
305
00:13:57,629 --> 00:13:59,040
Mind if I talk
to your workers?
306
00:14:00,599 --> 00:14:03,079
Look, we got 10,000 cuts
to make this shift.
307
00:14:03,702 --> 00:14:05,375
We'll try to stay
out of the way.
308
00:14:11,043 --> 00:14:12,579
(QUESTIONS IN SPANISH)
309
00:14:13,545 --> 00:14:15,456
(SPEAKING SPANISH)
310
00:14:15,514 --> 00:14:16,754
(SPEAKING SPANISH)
311
00:14:16,815 --> 00:14:18,021
He was lookin' for someone.
312
00:14:18,083 --> 00:14:19,187
Who?
313
00:14:19,251 --> 00:14:21,491
Mike Bledsoe.
He worked here two years ago.
314
00:14:21,552 --> 00:14:23,725
You know what he wanted
to talk to Bledsoe about?
315
00:14:23,788 --> 00:14:25,631
No.
But he said it was important.
316
00:14:25,690 --> 00:14:28,364
I told him Bledsoe lives
in Brooklyn somewhere.
317
00:14:28,426 --> 00:14:31,066
How come you didn't
want to tell us this
in front of your boss?
318
00:14:31,128 --> 00:14:33,506
Mr. King think about
only one thing, quota.
319
00:14:34,031 --> 00:14:36,307
BRISCOE: When's the last time
you saw the kid
in the picture?
320
00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:37,911
(SPEAKING SPANISH)
321
00:14:40,338 --> 00:14:43,319
He says that Hatcher
was here last Wednesday.
When'd you start work?
322
00:14:43,641 --> 00:14:44,984
Midnight.
323
00:14:45,042 --> 00:14:47,579
Couple of hours before
Hatcher punched out.
324
00:14:47,645 --> 00:14:49,282
Gracias.
De nada.
325
00:14:50,914 --> 00:14:52,086
Sorry, I don't know him.
326
00:14:52,148 --> 00:14:55,459
Take another look,
Mr. Bledsoe.
His name's Andrew Hatcher.
327
00:14:55,518 --> 00:14:57,862
You may have
been the last person
to see him alive.
328
00:14:57,921 --> 00:15:00,697
I'm tellin' you,
I've never seen him before.
What's this about?
329
00:15:00,957 --> 00:15:02,265
This kid was
a college student.
330
00:15:02,325 --> 00:15:05,033
He got knifed to death
a few days ago in the
Meatpacking District.
331
00:15:05,095 --> 00:15:06,506
What's that got
to do with me?
332
00:15:06,563 --> 00:15:08,236
Some of the workers
at Elite Meats
333
00:15:08,298 --> 00:15:10,574
said he came in on
Wednesday askin' for you.
334
00:15:10,634 --> 00:15:13,114
He said he needed to
talk to you about something.
335
00:15:13,169 --> 00:15:14,614
I don't know about what.
336
00:15:15,038 --> 00:15:18,177
So, you're tellin' us
you have no idea why this kid
would come lookin' for you?
337
00:15:18,774 --> 00:15:21,948
Look, someone called me
the other night.
338
00:15:22,811 --> 00:15:24,290
I don't know,
could've been him.
339
00:15:24,346 --> 00:15:25,950
BRISCOE: Did you talk to him?
340
00:15:26,649 --> 00:15:28,959
Left a message on my machine.
341
00:15:29,018 --> 00:15:31,191
I thought it was one of those,
uh, solicitation calls,
342
00:15:31,253 --> 00:15:32,732
so I never called back.
343
00:15:32,788 --> 00:15:34,426
You still got the message?
344
00:15:34,490 --> 00:15:35,901
Think so.
345
00:15:42,031 --> 00:15:45,137
My name's Andrew Hatcher,
and I have a few questions
I'd like to ask you.
346
00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:50,774
You can reach me
at the NYPIRG office
at 212-555-0101. Thank you.
347
00:15:50,905 --> 00:15:52,646
NYPIRG?
348
00:15:58,079 --> 00:16:00,286
COREY: New York Public
Interest Research Group.
349
00:16:00,348 --> 00:16:03,420
We oversee students interested
in public service issues.
350
00:16:03,484 --> 00:16:06,090
Andy was a very
proactive volunteer.
351
00:16:06,587 --> 00:16:09,363
You don't think this has
something to do with
his work here, do you?
352
00:16:09,424 --> 00:16:10,926
At this point,
we don't really know.
353
00:16:10,992 --> 00:16:14,303
Can you tell us why
Andy would visit this
meatpacking plant?
354
00:16:14,729 --> 00:16:16,833
He was very interested
in animal rights.
355
00:16:16,897 --> 00:16:19,377
I didn't realize that
they brought livestock
into Manhattan.
356
00:16:19,766 --> 00:16:22,246
Elite Meats owns
a slaughterhouse upstate.
357
00:16:22,302 --> 00:16:25,681
The carcasses are cut
and processed in the
Meatpacking District.
358
00:16:25,739 --> 00:16:27,776
What's that got to do
with animal rights?
359
00:16:27,841 --> 00:16:30,151
It was how they killed
and gutted the cows.
360
00:16:30,744 --> 00:16:32,087
Andy was doing research.
361
00:16:32,145 --> 00:16:34,216
GREEN: Are there any files
on the work he was doing?
362
00:16:34,948 --> 00:16:36,928
Just an expense report.
363
00:16:40,954 --> 00:16:43,457
Looks like he submitted
some receipts for some film.
364
00:16:43,523 --> 00:16:44,627
He was taking pictures?
365
00:16:44,691 --> 00:16:48,160
I don't know.
But he bought the film at
a place called Photofast.
366
00:16:50,930 --> 00:16:54,673
Hatcher.
4 by 6, matte finish.
Been ready since Wednesday.
367
00:16:54,734 --> 00:16:56,372
GREEN: We need to take
a look at those.
368
00:16:56,969 --> 00:16:59,006
Guy's been in here
a couple of times this month.
369
00:16:59,071 --> 00:17:00,573
Usually he picks 'em up
right away.
370
00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:02,084
Yeah,
he's had a rough week.
371
00:17:02,141 --> 00:17:03,518
Oh, look at this.
372
00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,760
It's enough to make me
want to take up tofu.
373
00:17:12,918 --> 00:17:14,419
Isn't that Arthur King?
374
00:17:14,753 --> 00:17:16,824
Mr. Elite Meats.
375
00:17:16,888 --> 00:17:18,492
GREEN:
Arthur King in the plant.
376
00:17:18,556 --> 00:17:20,229
Arthur King
on the loading dock.
377
00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:24,664
Arthur King in blue denim.
378
00:17:25,664 --> 00:17:28,838
All right, watch Miguel.
See how he cuts
along the bone?
379
00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:32,347
(SPEAKING SPANISH)
380
00:17:32,837 --> 00:17:35,511
And remember,
fast, fast, fast. Rápido.
381
00:17:35,573 --> 00:17:36,881
Mr. King.
382
00:17:37,275 --> 00:17:38,948
What's goin' on?
You're coming with us.
383
00:17:39,010 --> 00:17:40,284
Hey, I got a plant
to run here.
384
00:17:40,345 --> 00:17:41,824
That's gonna have to wait.
385
00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,291
Well, what's this about?
A blue denim shirt.
386
00:17:46,684 --> 00:17:49,858
A lot easier when they
don't fight back, huh?
387
00:17:54,024 --> 00:17:57,870
Andrew Hatcher,
the college kid who was
nosin' around your plant.
388
00:17:57,928 --> 00:18:00,272
The one you said
you don't remember seeing.
389
00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:03,004
I didn't.
He was killed with
a boning knife,
390
00:18:03,067 --> 00:18:05,274
the same kind you use
at your plant.
391
00:18:05,336 --> 00:18:08,146
Oh, everybody
in the meat business
uses that kind of knife.
392
00:18:08,205 --> 00:18:10,276
Everybody in the meat
business wear these?
393
00:18:10,341 --> 00:18:12,786
Some of that blood belongs
to the kid you filleted.
394
00:18:12,842 --> 00:18:14,253
You recognize the shirt?
395
00:18:15,211 --> 00:18:16,315
No.
396
00:18:16,379 --> 00:18:18,882
BRISCOE: A picture's worth
a thousand words.
397
00:18:20,683 --> 00:18:23,687
What's the matter?
You look like you're
about to have a cow.
398
00:18:25,621 --> 00:18:27,100
It's not my shirt.
399
00:18:27,156 --> 00:18:29,227
GREEN: You know, that's funny,
because one of your
cutters said that
400
00:18:29,292 --> 00:18:31,704
you finished the night
wearing just a T-shirt.
401
00:18:31,761 --> 00:18:33,069
Is it because
you ditched that?
402
00:18:34,864 --> 00:18:37,811
BRISCOE: We're havin'
a warm winter, Artie,
but it's not that warm.
403
00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:40,780
Look, am I under arrest,
or what?
404
00:18:44,906 --> 00:18:46,385
Good question.
405
00:18:46,908 --> 00:18:49,218
Anything other than
the photograph tying King
to the shirt?
406
00:18:49,277 --> 00:18:52,588
Well, the fiber analysis
says there's a 75% chance
407
00:18:52,647 --> 00:18:54,991
the hair strands on it
came from King.
408
00:18:55,050 --> 00:18:56,188
What about the DNA?
409
00:18:56,251 --> 00:18:59,528
The hair follicle
has to be intact for them
to make a comparison.
410
00:18:59,588 --> 00:19:01,625
These are only hair shafts.
411
00:19:02,023 --> 00:19:03,969
I suppose there's no chance
of finding the murder weapon.
412
00:19:04,025 --> 00:19:06,027
Well, he probably brought it
back to the plant.
413
00:19:06,094 --> 00:19:10,008
Any blood on it
would be mixed with
20 different cows by now.
414
00:19:10,065 --> 00:19:11,566
That's a pleasant thought.
415
00:19:11,632 --> 00:19:14,169
Do you want us to
release him or book him?
416
00:19:15,236 --> 00:19:16,613
Arrest him.
417
00:19:21,208 --> 00:19:23,017
Can we get an indictment?
418
00:19:23,077 --> 00:19:26,684
Well, we've got enough
circumstantial evidence to
establish probable cause.
419
00:19:26,747 --> 00:19:29,353
I figured the arrest
buys us time to find
something more concrete.
420
00:19:29,417 --> 00:19:30,828
Where are we on motive?
421
00:19:31,452 --> 00:19:32,795
The victim was
a college student.
422
00:19:32,853 --> 00:19:34,491
It seems like he was looking
into the possibilities
423
00:19:34,555 --> 00:19:37,058
of animal rights violations
at King's plant.
424
00:19:37,558 --> 00:19:39,265
What type of violations?
425
00:19:39,660 --> 00:19:43,197
Something to do with how
they were killing their cows,
handling the carcasses.
426
00:19:44,030 --> 00:19:45,907
So, King murders him?
427
00:19:47,167 --> 00:19:48,669
Pretty lean.
428
00:19:49,636 --> 00:19:52,947
Apparently Hatcher
was about to make contact
with a Michael Bledsoe
429
00:19:53,006 --> 00:19:54,246
right when he was killed.
430
00:19:54,307 --> 00:19:57,550
Bledsoe worked at King's plant
about two years back.
431
00:19:57,610 --> 00:20:00,716
What could this Bledsoe
have to say that would be
worth killing over?
432
00:20:00,780 --> 00:20:03,886
He wasn't exactly forthcoming
with Briscoe and Green.
433
00:20:04,651 --> 00:20:08,224
But Briscoe and Green couldn't
drop a subpoena on him.
434
00:20:09,521 --> 00:20:12,661
I already
told those detectives
I never met the kid.
435
00:20:13,058 --> 00:20:15,561
Then what is it you think
he wanted to talk to you
about, Mr. Bledsoe?
436
00:20:15,627 --> 00:20:17,038
I have no idea.
437
00:20:17,095 --> 00:20:19,371
Well, the police seem
to think you might.
438
00:20:19,431 --> 00:20:21,934
Did it have anything to do
with the slaughter practices
at your old job?
439
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,674
If I never talked to him,
I wouldn't know, would I?
440
00:20:25,037 --> 00:20:27,847
Well, the people at Elite
gave him your name.
Why would they do that?
441
00:20:27,906 --> 00:20:29,010
Ask them.
442
00:20:29,074 --> 00:20:30,280
I'm asking you.
443
00:20:30,342 --> 00:20:31,753
And if I have to
ask you again,
444
00:20:31,810 --> 00:20:33,380
it'll be in front of
a grand jury.
445
00:20:33,445 --> 00:20:36,892
Ask me
anywhere you want,
but I can't talk about Elite.
446
00:20:37,216 --> 00:20:38,523
You'd be under subpoena.
447
00:20:38,583 --> 00:20:39,687
I don't know what that means.
448
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:43,197
All I know is
the lawyer said if I talk
I could lose my pension.
449
00:20:44,188 --> 00:20:45,326
What lawyer?
450
00:20:45,389 --> 00:20:47,926
The one who had me sign
the confidentiality agreement.
451
00:20:47,992 --> 00:20:50,632
You signed
a confidentiality agreement
when you left Elite?
452
00:20:50,695 --> 00:20:52,732
Just speak to the lawyer,
okay?
453
00:20:52,797 --> 00:20:53,901
What's the lawyer's name?
454
00:20:53,965 --> 00:20:55,376
I don't know.
455
00:20:55,433 --> 00:20:57,811
Some guy who works
for AgriStar Enterprises.
456
00:20:58,870 --> 00:21:00,781
If he didn't work for Elite,
why did he have you sign...
457
00:21:00,838 --> 00:21:02,579
Look, miss,
you gotta talk to the lawyer,
458
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,415
or else subpoena me
or whatever.
459
00:21:04,475 --> 00:21:07,080
But I'm not riskin'
my pension here, okay?
460
00:21:14,084 --> 00:21:16,086
Jim Dittmar,
AgriStar's corporate counsel.
461
00:21:16,152 --> 00:21:18,257
Hi.
And this is Bill Talbot,
our CEO.
462
00:21:18,321 --> 00:21:20,130
Happy to help any way we can.
463
00:21:20,523 --> 00:21:22,764
You said on the phone
this concerned Elite Meats?
464
00:21:23,293 --> 00:21:24,829
Well, my office is
investigating a murder
465
00:21:24,894 --> 00:21:27,374
we believe may have
been committed by
one of its employees.
466
00:21:27,964 --> 00:21:29,170
Murder?
467
00:21:29,232 --> 00:21:31,678
I'm sorry, this relates
to us in what way?
468
00:21:31,735 --> 00:21:33,772
We know Elite Meats is
one of your food suppliers,
469
00:21:33,837 --> 00:21:35,373
and one of their
former employees told me
470
00:21:35,438 --> 00:21:38,043
that your company had him sign
a confidentiality agreement.
471
00:21:38,107 --> 00:21:39,347
DITTMAR: Who's the employee?
472
00:21:39,408 --> 00:21:40,785
Michael Bledsoe.
473
00:21:41,310 --> 00:21:42,812
I recognize the name.
474
00:21:42,878 --> 00:21:45,290
The agreement was part
of a litigation settlement.
475
00:21:45,347 --> 00:21:47,623
AgriStar was in litigation
with Elite Meats?
476
00:21:47,683 --> 00:21:49,993
Same side of the table.
We were co-defendants.
477
00:21:50,352 --> 00:21:51,797
What were you being sued for?
478
00:21:52,154 --> 00:21:53,656
It was Elite who got sued.
479
00:21:53,722 --> 00:21:55,565
Plaintiffs dragged us in
as a deep pocket.
480
00:21:56,258 --> 00:21:57,396
On what claim?
481
00:21:57,459 --> 00:21:58,938
I'm sorry.
We'd like to help,
482
00:21:58,994 --> 00:22:01,304
but the confidentiality
agreement that binds Elite
483
00:22:01,363 --> 00:22:03,502
and the plaintiffs
binds us as well.
484
00:22:03,565 --> 00:22:04,908
And I can certainly
appreciate that,
485
00:22:04,967 --> 00:22:07,310
but this is now
a homicide investigation.
486
00:22:07,368 --> 00:22:08,938
And it's possible
a murder was committed
487
00:22:09,003 --> 00:22:11,005
to cover up something
that Elite was doing.
488
00:22:11,072 --> 00:22:13,518
And what is it you think
Elite was involved in?
489
00:22:13,575 --> 00:22:15,213
Right now,
our best information is that
490
00:22:15,276 --> 00:22:17,916
there may have been some
animal rights violations
at the plant.
491
00:22:18,947 --> 00:22:21,223
Well, without
violating confidentiality,
492
00:22:21,282 --> 00:22:25,355
I can assure you that the
lawsuit had nothing to do
with animal rights violations.
493
00:22:26,721 --> 00:22:28,098
Then what was it about?
494
00:22:28,156 --> 00:22:31,626
I don't know.
The litigation records were
sealed by the court.
495
00:22:32,060 --> 00:22:34,131
Well, if the lawsuit wasn't
about animal rights,
496
00:22:34,195 --> 00:22:36,800
Bledsoe ought to be
able to talk to us
about animal rights.
497
00:22:36,863 --> 00:22:38,433
So, either he was
just being uncooperative
498
00:22:38,498 --> 00:22:40,603
or we need to adjust
our motive theory.
499
00:22:40,667 --> 00:22:42,613
Only one way to find out.
500
00:22:42,669 --> 00:22:45,343
Find a witness who didn't sign
a confidentiality agreement.
501
00:22:46,039 --> 00:22:47,746
How about a meat inspector
from the USDA?
502
00:22:47,808 --> 00:22:50,914
Maybe they can tell us
what was going on
at King's plant.
503
00:22:51,278 --> 00:22:54,919
Well, slaughtering
infractions were something
we investigated initially.
504
00:22:54,982 --> 00:22:56,222
Initially?
505
00:22:56,283 --> 00:22:59,389
Unfortunately,
what we found was
something far more serious.
506
00:22:59,820 --> 00:23:00,958
What do you mean?
507
00:23:01,321 --> 00:23:03,392
What do you know
about E. coli?
508
00:23:04,190 --> 00:23:07,137
It's a bacteria that can
cause serious infections.
509
00:23:07,193 --> 00:23:09,639
Sometimes it infects
the cow's gut.
510
00:23:10,129 --> 00:23:12,803
If the gut is then
handled improperly,
511
00:23:12,865 --> 00:23:15,607
there's a potential
for a pretty dangerous
contamination.
512
00:23:15,668 --> 00:23:17,409
Is that what was
happening at Elite?
513
00:23:17,770 --> 00:23:19,249
If the gutting's
done properly,
514
00:23:19,438 --> 00:23:21,748
the spill rate's less than
half a percent.
515
00:23:22,141 --> 00:23:24,644
We put Elite's at 20%.
516
00:23:24,944 --> 00:23:27,447
But there wasn't
anything we could do
about it at the time.
517
00:23:27,546 --> 00:23:29,856
What do you mean?
You're the USDA.
518
00:23:30,683 --> 00:23:33,322
At most,
we can pull our inspectors
and seals of approval
519
00:23:33,385 --> 00:23:35,490
if we think a plant
is contaminating meat.
520
00:23:35,987 --> 00:23:37,660
You can't just
shut the plant down?
521
00:23:37,722 --> 00:23:39,497
We've tried
shutting plants down,
522
00:23:39,557 --> 00:23:41,935
but the courts just keep
ruling against us.
523
00:23:41,993 --> 00:23:43,336
Who informs the public?
524
00:23:43,695 --> 00:23:45,368
It's not that simple.
525
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:48,604
Our response depends on
the severity of the problem.
526
00:23:48,666 --> 00:23:51,875
We can't sound the alarm for
every case of food poisoning.
527
00:23:51,936 --> 00:23:54,712
These companies would be sued
by anyone with a stomach ache.
528
00:23:55,140 --> 00:23:57,552
E. colt's a little more
severe than a stomach ache.
529
00:23:57,609 --> 00:24:00,556
Of course it is.
But I don't want you to get
the wrong impression.
530
00:24:00,612 --> 00:24:02,613
Elite was just
one problem company
531
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,251
in an otherwise
very responsible industry.
532
00:24:06,583 --> 00:24:08,893
So much for making brisket
this weekend.
533
00:24:08,952 --> 00:24:12,229
Well, the USDA thinks
half of Elite's livestock
was infected with E. coli
534
00:24:12,289 --> 00:24:14,360
but says they couldn't
do anything about it.
535
00:24:14,425 --> 00:24:15,597
Half?
536
00:24:15,993 --> 00:24:18,974
They were improperly gutting
one out of every five cows.
537
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:23,273
So, ground up,
one cow can contaminate
32,000 pounds of beef.
538
00:24:23,333 --> 00:24:26,906
Well, why didn't the USDA
or CDC demand a recall?
539
00:24:26,970 --> 00:24:29,041
Well, the USDA
doesn't have the authority,
540
00:24:29,106 --> 00:24:31,984
and the CDC only finds out
if the company tells them
541
00:24:32,041 --> 00:24:34,317
or if the problem
is widespread.
542
00:24:34,377 --> 00:24:36,789
Makes you wonder
why we even have a USDA.
543
00:24:37,347 --> 00:24:40,453
So, obviously
this kid Hatcher was onto
something far more serious
544
00:24:40,516 --> 00:24:42,518
than a few
animal rights violations.
545
00:24:42,585 --> 00:24:45,896
Well, I imagine
news of an E. coli outbreak
at King's plant
546
00:24:45,955 --> 00:24:47,366
would cost him his business.
547
00:24:47,423 --> 00:24:49,562
Only the person who
might be able to
answer these questions
548
00:24:49,625 --> 00:24:52,105
thinks he's bound by
a confidentiality agreement.
549
00:24:52,161 --> 00:24:56,109
An agreement that covers up
the lawsuit against Elite
and AgriStar.
550
00:24:56,165 --> 00:25:00,135
If Elite was contaminating
beef, you can bet
that's why they got sued.
551
00:25:00,202 --> 00:25:02,045
And why King killed Hatcher.
552
00:25:02,104 --> 00:25:03,276
He was afraid
he'd blow the whistle
553
00:25:03,338 --> 00:25:05,614
on whatever's in the pages
of that lawsuit.
554
00:25:05,674 --> 00:25:07,244
Most judges aren't
going to like us looking
555
00:25:07,309 --> 00:25:10,051
to try and violate
the privacy of rights
of civil litigants.
556
00:25:10,712 --> 00:25:12,385
Find one who will.
557
00:25:14,249 --> 00:25:15,626
I thought this was
a criminal case.
558
00:25:15,684 --> 00:25:17,686
Why are you seeking
discovery of a civil lawsuit?
559
00:25:18,086 --> 00:25:19,895
JACK: We believe that
the lawsuit may
contain evidence
560
00:25:19,955 --> 00:25:21,628
relating to the
defendant's motive.
561
00:25:21,690 --> 00:25:24,261
Kevin Roth for Arthur King
and Elite Meats, Your Honor.
562
00:25:24,326 --> 00:25:26,636
Mr. McCoy's on
a fishing expedition.
563
00:25:26,695 --> 00:25:30,699
I concur, Your Honor.
Jim Dittmar, counsel
to AgriStar Enterprises.
564
00:25:30,764 --> 00:25:33,574
AgriStar is a party to the
confidentiality agreements
565
00:25:33,634 --> 00:25:35,841
Mr. McCoy is looking
to vitiate.
566
00:25:35,903 --> 00:25:37,974
It's the only way we can
get access to evidence
567
00:25:38,038 --> 00:25:39,574
which may be material
to our case.
568
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,278
The key word being "may".
569
00:25:41,342 --> 00:25:45,757
You've got no evidence
to justify violating a valid
nondisclosure agreement.
570
00:25:45,813 --> 00:25:48,555
How can we
when the nondisclosure
is the very thing
571
00:25:48,616 --> 00:25:50,789
that's frustrating
our investigation?
572
00:25:50,851 --> 00:25:54,822
The agreement is
unenforceable if it frustrates
the pursuit of justice.
573
00:25:54,889 --> 00:25:56,926
It's black letter law,
Your Honor.
574
00:25:56,991 --> 00:26:00,802
A contract contrary to the
public good is unenforceable
575
00:26:00,860 --> 00:26:03,306
no matter how many people
wish it wasn't.
576
00:26:03,363 --> 00:26:05,309
I want to look
at the documents.
DITTMAR: Your Honor...
577
00:26:05,365 --> 00:26:07,811
How can I determine
if the People's motion
has any merit
578
00:26:07,867 --> 00:26:09,869
unless I see what
we're fighting over?
579
00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:12,708
Don't worry, Mr. Dittmar,
580
00:26:13,239 --> 00:26:15,344
I'm a steak and potatoes man.
581
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:19,613
Special delivery
from Judge Grady.
582
00:26:20,814 --> 00:26:24,591
I guess the court's reading
of the documents was
different than Mr. Dittmar's.
583
00:26:24,918 --> 00:26:26,556
Elizabeth Lawrence et al.
v.
584
00:26:26,619 --> 00:26:29,622
Elite Meats Incorporated
and AgriStar Enterprises.
585
00:26:31,757 --> 00:26:36,206
Elite was the
Manhattan area supplier of
beef patties to Big Bill's.
586
00:26:36,562 --> 00:26:38,064
The fast food chain?
587
00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:42,272
AgriStar was more than
just a deep pocket in this.
It owns Big Bill's.
588
00:26:43,035 --> 00:26:47,177
According to the complaint,
Big Bill's patrons were
getting E. coli infections.
589
00:26:47,472 --> 00:26:49,577
So, Hatcher was
onto something.
590
00:26:50,509 --> 00:26:52,147
After one of the
customers got sick
591
00:26:52,211 --> 00:26:54,054
their lawyer looked
for other cases,
592
00:26:54,112 --> 00:26:56,751
but AgriStar
pulled out all the stops
to force a settlement.
593
00:26:57,715 --> 00:27:01,094
List of affected customers.
Beth Lawrence, age five.
594
00:27:01,152 --> 00:27:04,531
Emily Miller, age four.
Michael Foranda, age three.
595
00:27:04,589 --> 00:27:09,265
Lisa Santos, age three.
Benjamin Davies, age four.
596
00:27:11,529 --> 00:27:13,634
Jack, the plaintiffs' claim
was for wrongful death.
597
00:27:13,698 --> 00:27:15,302
These children are all dead.
598
00:27:24,442 --> 00:27:26,614
Five children dead. How?
599
00:27:26,676 --> 00:27:29,179
They died of organ failure
after contracting E. coli.
600
00:27:29,246 --> 00:27:32,693
It was in the beef
Elite sold to AgriStar's
subsidiary, Big Bill's.
601
00:27:32,749 --> 00:27:34,023
It's a fast food chain.
602
00:27:34,484 --> 00:27:35,758
I eat at Big Bill's.
603
00:27:35,819 --> 00:27:37,093
You do?
604
00:27:37,454 --> 00:27:38,990
They have the best fries.
605
00:27:40,924 --> 00:27:43,734
It's amazing that AgriStar
was able to cover this up.
606
00:27:44,928 --> 00:27:46,908
Why wouldn't the plaintiffs
blow the whistle?
607
00:27:46,963 --> 00:27:49,807
I mean, why would somebody
whose child got sick
keep quiet?
608
00:27:49,866 --> 00:27:51,777
As a negotiating tactic.
609
00:27:51,835 --> 00:27:54,372
The parents sue for
compensation, not publicity,
610
00:27:54,437 --> 00:27:56,109
but the threat
gives them leverage.
611
00:27:56,172 --> 00:27:58,379
Once they settled,
the confidentiality agreements
612
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,477
make sure everything
got swept under the rug.
613
00:28:00,543 --> 00:28:03,922
Only Andy Hatcher's
investigation threatened
to bring it back up
614
00:28:03,979 --> 00:28:05,652
and drive King
out of business.
615
00:28:06,215 --> 00:28:07,888
Not just Arthur King.
616
00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:11,762
AgriStar was the one who
put up the confidentiality
smoke screen,
617
00:28:11,820 --> 00:28:14,460
and its CEO misled Serena
when she asked what
618
00:28:14,523 --> 00:28:16,799
its connection was
to Hatcher's investigation.
619
00:28:16,859 --> 00:28:18,861
He was protecting his wallet.
620
00:28:19,261 --> 00:28:23,835
Still, it doesn't prove
Talbot had something to do
with Hatcher's death.
621
00:28:24,065 --> 00:28:25,442
Well, maybe not Hatcher.
622
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:27,411
But what about
those five children?
623
00:28:27,468 --> 00:28:31,541
Right now, we have nothing
to show that AgriStar's
business practices were
624
00:28:31,606 --> 00:28:33,677
anything other than
completely legal.
625
00:28:33,741 --> 00:28:36,847
Why not?
Because the USDA tells us so?
626
00:28:36,911 --> 00:28:40,222
They've already admitted
they either don't have
the teeth to do the job
627
00:28:40,281 --> 00:28:42,056
or they're unwilling
to use them.
628
00:28:42,517 --> 00:28:44,724
If they're not going to do
something about this, I will.
629
00:28:44,786 --> 00:28:48,029
Doing the USDA's job
seems a bit off target.
630
00:28:48,089 --> 00:28:49,693
I'm not talking
about doing their job.
631
00:28:49,757 --> 00:28:52,135
I'm talking about
doing our job.
632
00:28:52,193 --> 00:28:56,436
According to this,
AgriStar knew Elite was
giving them tainted food.
633
00:28:56,997 --> 00:28:58,601
Second degree manslaughter.
634
00:28:58,665 --> 00:29:01,236
Talbot was guilty
of reckless disregard.
635
00:29:01,468 --> 00:29:03,573
And how do you plan
to show causation?
636
00:29:04,905 --> 00:29:06,384
I don't.
That's your job.
637
00:29:07,541 --> 00:29:12,149
Jack, you've already
prosecuted gun manufacturers,
drug companies, HMOs.
638
00:29:12,212 --> 00:29:14,419
And I'm the one resisting.
That should tell you
something.
639
00:29:14,514 --> 00:29:16,050
I don't think
you'd be resisting
640
00:29:16,116 --> 00:29:19,222
if Arthur King
told you that Talbot was
the one responsible.
641
00:29:23,656 --> 00:29:26,159
You want to see if
we can flip Arthur King?
642
00:29:29,962 --> 00:29:31,305
ROTH: You're wasting
your time.
643
00:29:31,364 --> 00:29:32,934
My client's not
interested in pleading
644
00:29:32,999 --> 00:29:35,104
when all you've got
is a circumstantial case.
645
00:29:35,167 --> 00:29:36,771
We're not here
on the Hatcher murder.
646
00:29:36,836 --> 00:29:38,747
Then you're really
wasting your time.
647
00:29:38,804 --> 00:29:40,841
That's the only crime
he's charged with.
648
00:29:40,906 --> 00:29:42,112
So far.
649
00:29:42,408 --> 00:29:44,046
What's she talking about?
650
00:29:44,477 --> 00:29:47,151
Your client's culpability in
the death of five children.
651
00:29:47,713 --> 00:29:48,817
For what?
652
00:29:49,115 --> 00:29:50,822
For selling infected meat
to AgriStar
653
00:29:50,883 --> 00:29:53,522
with reckless disregard
for the consequences.
654
00:29:54,185 --> 00:29:58,327
Fortunately for you,
Mr. King, my boss is
more interested in knowing
655
00:29:58,390 --> 00:30:01,564
whether Bill Talbot knew
that's what you were doing.
656
00:30:01,626 --> 00:30:05,301
ROTH: You won't charge him
on the five kids if he
testifies against Talbot?
657
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:08,106
If he knows enough for us
to build a case against him.
658
00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:10,703
And if he pleads man one
on the Hatcher murder.
659
00:30:20,278 --> 00:30:23,451
He can give you AgriStar.
But you'll have to do better.
660
00:30:24,982 --> 00:30:26,256
I can go as far as man two,
661
00:30:26,316 --> 00:30:29,354
but I want to hear
what he knows before
I finalize any deal.
662
00:30:44,034 --> 00:30:45,911
Two years ago,
663
00:30:46,670 --> 00:30:48,980
we were cuttin' corners
just to make delivery.
664
00:30:49,772 --> 00:30:52,878
Talbot knew,
but he didn't care.
665
00:30:52,942 --> 00:30:55,422
Not as long as
we met our quota.
666
00:30:57,380 --> 00:31:01,556
Then those kids died,
we get sued.
667
00:31:02,418 --> 00:31:06,525
Suddenly everybody's
concerned about safety.
668
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:11,196
Bill Talbot knew that
your beef was being
exposed to E. coli?
669
00:31:11,260 --> 00:31:14,798
Yes. I told him
we had to cut corners
to meet quota.
670
00:31:15,298 --> 00:31:18,108
Plus, he was gettin'
the same reports I was.
671
00:31:18,167 --> 00:31:20,874
He knew that E. coli
wasn't there for flavor.
672
00:31:21,236 --> 00:31:22,772
What about Hatcher?
673
00:31:27,976 --> 00:31:31,753
Talbot was tipped
by somebody that the kid
was nosin' around.
674
00:31:31,813 --> 00:31:34,851
He said he was
some kind of activist
675
00:31:34,916 --> 00:31:36,953
lookin' to
shut down the plant.
676
00:31:37,652 --> 00:31:39,893
So, I started keepin'
my eyes open.
677
00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:43,727
One night, I m workin
678
00:31:44,726 --> 00:31:48,400
He's there takin' pictures,
so I followed him.
679
00:31:48,929 --> 00:31:52,035
I just wanted to
get the film from him.
That's all I was gonna do.
680
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,581
I mean, I put 30 years
into Elite, you know?
681
00:32:02,309 --> 00:32:04,550
But he wouldn't
give me the pictures.
682
00:32:05,412 --> 00:32:07,483
He starts yellin'
at me instead,
683
00:32:08,082 --> 00:32:10,323
sayin' that
I'm poisoning people.
684
00:32:11,652 --> 00:32:13,859
So, I took out my knife,
685
00:32:14,788 --> 00:32:17,597
just to scare him
so he'd give me the pictures.
686
00:32:21,461 --> 00:32:23,805
I don't even know
how it happened.
687
00:32:25,365 --> 00:32:30,280
He was just yellin',
and I was scared.
688
00:32:32,372 --> 00:32:33,908
Scared
689
00:32:36,009 --> 00:32:38,250
I was gonna lose everything.
690
00:32:40,213 --> 00:32:43,023
After it happened
I took his things,
691
00:32:43,082 --> 00:32:45,028
tossed the camera
in the Hudson.
692
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:49,292
All my life,
693
00:32:50,722 --> 00:32:53,430
I never thought I could
do anything like this.
694
00:33:00,966 --> 00:33:02,309
(CRYING)
695
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,281
TALBOT:
The Big Bill Junior Playland
696
00:33:10,342 --> 00:33:13,016
is an interactive playground
for the 21st century.
697
00:33:13,445 --> 00:33:15,446
We project that
by the end of 2004,
698
00:33:15,513 --> 00:33:18,790
the Big Bill's franchises
in each of the major markets
will have one.
699
00:33:18,849 --> 00:33:21,887
This point-of-sale destination
will help cement AgriStar's
700
00:33:21,953 --> 00:33:23,091
relationship with the...
GREEN: William Talbot,
701
00:33:23,154 --> 00:33:25,100
you're under arrest for
second degree manslaughter...
702
00:33:25,156 --> 00:33:26,601
Gentlemen,
if you have a problem,
my secretary...
703
00:33:26,657 --> 00:33:28,034
Elizabeth Lawrence.
Arrest?
704
00:33:28,092 --> 00:33:29,867
Benjamin Davies.
Michael Foranda.
705
00:33:29,927 --> 00:33:30,997
There must be a mistake.
706
00:33:31,062 --> 00:33:32,735
Lisa Santos and Emily Miller.
I want my attorney.
707
00:33:32,797 --> 00:33:34,435
Want fries with that?
708
00:33:37,335 --> 00:33:40,407
This is a witch hunt.
It's vindictive prosecution.
709
00:33:40,471 --> 00:33:43,247
JACK: If you thought you
could convince a jury of that,
you wouldn't be here.
710
00:33:43,307 --> 00:33:46,776
The only reason we're here
is to stop this runaway train
you've started.
711
00:33:46,843 --> 00:33:48,652
SOUTHERLYN:
You said on the phone
you had an offer.
712
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:50,717
You dismiss the indictment,
713
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:53,522
and in exchange,
AgriStar will disclose
714
00:33:53,583 --> 00:33:56,393
the safety measures
we've already undertaken
715
00:33:56,453 --> 00:33:59,832
and promise to
implement new ones,
which we can negotiate.
716
00:34:03,593 --> 00:34:05,470
Thank you for your time.
717
00:34:06,496 --> 00:34:08,703
Wait. At least
consider the offer.
718
00:34:08,765 --> 00:34:11,803
There is nothing to consider.
Five children are dead.
719
00:34:11,868 --> 00:34:13,279
I had nothing to do
with that.
Bill...
720
00:34:13,336 --> 00:34:14,939
No, I want to say this.
721
00:34:15,637 --> 00:34:17,310
I am not the villain here.
722
00:34:17,373 --> 00:34:20,013
I refused to do
business with King unless
he cleaned up his act.
723
00:34:20,442 --> 00:34:22,388
But only after
five people died.
724
00:34:22,444 --> 00:34:26,324
We serve millions
of people a day.
This was five cases.
725
00:34:26,648 --> 00:34:29,128
Five children,
killed by your product.
726
00:34:29,585 --> 00:34:31,963
Not killed, counselor.
They got sick.
727
00:34:32,888 --> 00:34:34,834
Look, let's get practical
for a minute.
728
00:34:34,890 --> 00:34:37,234
If what your boss is
looking for is safer food,
729
00:34:37,293 --> 00:34:39,068
our offer guarantees that.
730
00:34:40,763 --> 00:34:42,299
Your offer
is a list of promises
731
00:34:42,364 --> 00:34:45,401
with no means of assuring
that you won't loophole
your way out of them
732
00:34:45,466 --> 00:34:47,343
the first chance you get.
733
00:34:47,802 --> 00:34:49,338
And it's rejected.
734
00:35:02,417 --> 00:35:06,092
Two years ago, our quota
was 10,000 pounds a day.
735
00:35:06,287 --> 00:35:09,530
But sometimes a truck's late,
a grinder breaks.
736
00:35:09,590 --> 00:35:11,297
We've gotta make up that time.
737
00:35:11,792 --> 00:35:14,136
So, knives don't get
cleaned after gutting,
738
00:35:14,194 --> 00:35:17,641
spills from the gut table
don't get wiped up
as carefully.
739
00:35:18,165 --> 00:35:21,510
And as a result,
could E. coli co-mingle
with the meat?
740
00:35:21,568 --> 00:35:23,445
Well,
when you've got a quota,
you don't waste.
741
00:35:23,503 --> 00:35:27,212
Not the pieces from
the gut table or the pieces
that drop on the floor.
742
00:35:27,774 --> 00:35:29,651
To your knowledge,
was the defendant aware
743
00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:31,553
of these conditions
at your plant?
744
00:35:31,612 --> 00:35:34,058
Yeah. I delivered short
on one shipment.
745
00:35:34,114 --> 00:35:35,991
Talbot chewed me out over it.
746
00:35:36,049 --> 00:35:39,292
I told him I couldn't
meet his quota without
cuttin' corners.
747
00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:40,758
JACK: Cutting corners?
748
00:35:40,821 --> 00:35:42,231
Health and safety.
749
00:35:42,288 --> 00:35:43,858
I told him about spill rates
750
00:35:43,923 --> 00:35:46,460
and how E. coli was
gettin' into the meat.
751
00:35:46,525 --> 00:35:48,801
And I told him what we had
to do to keep things clean.
752
00:35:49,729 --> 00:35:51,402
JACK: And what
was his response?
753
00:35:51,464 --> 00:35:53,239
He said it was my problem,
754
00:35:53,299 --> 00:35:55,779
and if I didn't meet quota,
he'd go elsewhere.
755
00:35:55,835 --> 00:35:57,644
I'm barely breakin' even.
756
00:35:57,703 --> 00:36:00,775
If he pulled his business,
I'd lose mine.
757
00:36:05,144 --> 00:36:06,987
Mr. Talbot never
told you to sacrifice
758
00:36:07,046 --> 00:36:08,957
health and safety to
meet quota, did he?
759
00:36:09,015 --> 00:36:11,221
How else did he think
I was gonna do it?
760
00:36:12,283 --> 00:36:15,321
Add more workers?
Expand the plant?
761
00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:19,727
I told him
that sacrificing safety
was the only way.
762
00:36:19,791 --> 00:36:22,135
What about
increasing efficiency?
763
00:36:22,193 --> 00:36:26,073
I've been in this business
30 years, and it's always
been the same.
764
00:36:26,131 --> 00:36:29,510
Faster, faster, faster.
Anything else is a pipe dream.
765
00:36:29,567 --> 00:36:31,945
HUTCHINS:
Well, if 10,000 pounds a week
wasn't feasible,
766
00:36:32,003 --> 00:36:34,882
you never should have
made the contract
in the first place.
767
00:36:35,907 --> 00:36:37,443
Right?
768
00:36:40,377 --> 00:36:43,290
You're currently
serving a prison sentence
for homicide, aren't you?
769
00:36:43,881 --> 00:36:45,986
Objection.
HUTCHINS: Goes to credibility.
770
00:36:47,084 --> 00:36:48,427
Overruled.
771
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,423
Only you received
a lesser sentence
772
00:36:52,489 --> 00:36:55,561
in exchange for
your testimony against
Mr. Talbot, didn't you?
773
00:36:55,626 --> 00:36:57,037
I'm tellin' the truth.
774
00:36:57,094 --> 00:37:01,907
The truth is that
you're blaming my client
for your mistakes.
775
00:37:08,604 --> 00:37:10,914
TALBOT: Big Bill's
is a family restaurant.
776
00:37:11,541 --> 00:37:14,715
Two-thirds of our
fast food employees
are under the age of 20.
777
00:37:14,777 --> 00:37:18,623
Over 25 million children
walk into our restaurants
every month.
778
00:37:18,681 --> 00:37:22,356
We serve 10 million
burgers to kids a week.
779
00:37:22,952 --> 00:37:26,729
The suggestion that
we're a company that
kills children is ludicrous.
780
00:37:27,089 --> 00:37:30,536
And yet there is
a statistical association
781
00:37:30,593 --> 00:37:34,166
between the deaths
of five children
and your company.
782
00:37:34,564 --> 00:37:37,442
And when I learned about it
I was devastated.
783
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,280
But you're talking about
a statistical association,
not direct proof.
784
00:37:43,905 --> 00:37:47,717
Look, King may have
had his problems,
785
00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:51,885
but today his plant is clean
because I got it cleaned.
786
00:37:52,514 --> 00:37:56,257
Not the USDA,
not the CDC. Me.
787
00:37:56,685 --> 00:37:57,789
HUTCHINS: How?
788
00:37:57,853 --> 00:38:00,595
By refusing to do
business with King unless
he cleaned up his act.
789
00:38:01,123 --> 00:38:05,230
Well, you're aware that
Mr. King says that you
forced him to break the law.
790
00:38:05,293 --> 00:38:06,999
TALBOT: Well, that doesn't
make any sense.
791
00:38:07,061 --> 00:38:08,904
My company is his customer.
792
00:38:08,963 --> 00:38:12,376
Why would I pay good money
for a product that wasn't
of the highest quality?
793
00:38:14,368 --> 00:38:15,813
Nothing further.
794
00:38:17,805 --> 00:38:19,842
Arthur King
testified under oath
795
00:38:19,907 --> 00:38:23,320
that you knew he was
supplying a diseased product.
Was he lying?
796
00:38:23,677 --> 00:38:25,816
His version of events doesn't
include when we found out.
797
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,952
As I said, as soon as
we knew there was a problem,
798
00:38:29,016 --> 00:38:31,724
we refused to
do business with them
until they fixed it.
799
00:38:32,019 --> 00:38:35,000
And this discovery just
happened to coincide
800
00:38:35,055 --> 00:38:36,795
with the deaths of
these five children?
801
00:38:36,856 --> 00:38:37,960
Objection.
802
00:38:38,024 --> 00:38:39,332
Overruled.
803
00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:43,705
These kids
caught an infection.
804
00:38:44,898 --> 00:38:46,468
God only knows from what.
805
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,136
I don't know
about God, Mr. Talbot,
806
00:38:49,202 --> 00:38:51,113
but to me,
it's no coincidence
807
00:38:51,171 --> 00:38:55,313
that each of these five
children died within hours
of eating your product.
808
00:38:55,375 --> 00:38:59,824
My product is food,
a living thing.
809
00:39:00,713 --> 00:39:03,887
And with living things
disease is a fact of life.
810
00:39:04,684 --> 00:39:07,994
Children can catch E. coli
from petting animals.
811
00:39:08,687 --> 00:39:10,667
Why aren't you putting
the Bronx Zoo on trial?
812
00:39:11,557 --> 00:39:14,595
In a zoo,
the danger to children
is kept in a cage.
813
00:39:15,694 --> 00:39:19,540
I don't believe that the
food that my company sold
made those children sick.
814
00:39:20,165 --> 00:39:21,872
Then why settle
with their parents?
815
00:39:22,301 --> 00:39:26,010
Objection. Evidence
of out-of-court settlements
is inadmissible.
816
00:39:26,071 --> 00:39:29,644
Not if it's being
used to impeach
the defendant's statement.
817
00:39:30,976 --> 00:39:33,388
You put it in play,
Mr. Hutchins.
818
00:39:33,978 --> 00:39:35,423
Answer the question.
819
00:39:36,247 --> 00:39:39,023
It wasn't an admission
of guilt, Mr. McCoy.
820
00:39:40,017 --> 00:39:43,521
We settled because
it was cheaper to do so
than to go to trial.
821
00:39:43,588 --> 00:39:46,865
Just as it was cheaper
to purchase tainted food
822
00:39:46,924 --> 00:39:49,370
than to take steps to
make sure that it was safe.
823
00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:51,503
Objection.
JUDGE: That's sustained.
824
00:39:51,762 --> 00:39:53,673
Actually, I'd like to answer.
825
00:39:55,633 --> 00:39:57,408
I run a business, Mr. McCoy.
826
00:39:57,969 --> 00:40:00,006
Everybody likes
a perfect product.
827
00:40:00,338 --> 00:40:03,648
But if it's too
expensive or inconvenient,
no one buys it.
828
00:40:04,841 --> 00:40:07,822
The airlines could
hand search every
passenger on every flight,
829
00:40:08,645 --> 00:40:10,989
but the delays would
put them out of business.
830
00:40:11,047 --> 00:40:14,654
Cars could be made
as safe as tanks.
831
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,963
But how many people
could afford a car that
costs as much as a house?
832
00:40:20,991 --> 00:40:24,404
Risk-return analysis
isn't reckless.
833
00:40:25,562 --> 00:40:26,836
It's responsible business.
834
00:40:28,031 --> 00:40:30,602
So, is keeping
your customers alive.
835
00:40:40,809 --> 00:40:42,447
Half the jury looked like
they were about to choke
836
00:40:42,511 --> 00:40:44,184
on Talbot's
risk-return argument.
837
00:40:44,246 --> 00:40:46,692
Even though it's really
a valid response.
838
00:40:47,282 --> 00:40:49,057
The law doesn't require
companies to adopt
839
00:40:49,118 --> 00:40:51,598
safety standards that'd
price them out of business.
840
00:40:51,653 --> 00:40:55,658
There's no
cost-benefit analysis that
justifies children dying.
841
00:40:56,025 --> 00:40:59,768
Still, there are limits to
corporate responsibility
even in the case of children.
842
00:41:00,095 --> 00:41:02,074
Whether or not the
jury buys Talbot's argument,
843
00:41:02,130 --> 00:41:03,768
it's still his word
against King's.
844
00:41:04,299 --> 00:41:08,008
King's a blue collar felon,
while Talbot's a captain
of industry.
845
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:10,049
He's made his career
out of spin control
846
00:41:10,104 --> 00:41:12,482
and creating a kid-friendly
corporate image.
847
00:41:12,807 --> 00:41:16,254
Well, maybe it's time to
leverage that image
against them.
848
00:41:17,312 --> 00:41:19,451
Out of the mouths of babes.
849
00:41:20,748 --> 00:41:24,457
I imagine our original offer
is looking pretty good
right about now.
850
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:26,624
The only offer we would
consider at this point
851
00:41:26,688 --> 00:41:28,634
would have to
include jail time.
852
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:32,597
Have we been sitting
in the same courtroom?
853
00:41:32,659 --> 00:41:35,572
'Cause our case
has been going
pretty well for us so far.
854
00:41:35,996 --> 00:41:38,306
"So far"
being the operative term.
855
00:41:39,232 --> 00:41:40,768
What are you talking about?
856
00:41:40,834 --> 00:41:42,677
We can still call
witnesses to rebut
857
00:41:42,736 --> 00:41:45,307
your client's
risk-reward argument.
858
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:47,676
Oh, I doubt this jury
will be impressed by
859
00:41:47,741 --> 00:41:51,746
some USDA inspector
or a hired gun economist.
860
00:41:53,046 --> 00:41:54,992
I'm not talking
about an expert.
861
00:42:00,252 --> 00:42:01,595
This is Roberta Miller.
862
00:42:03,422 --> 00:42:05,095
JACK: Her name
might ring a bell.
863
00:42:05,858 --> 00:42:10,102
Your company paid her
$1 million to settle
her wrongful death claim.
864
00:42:11,230 --> 00:42:12,641
What the hell is this?
865
00:42:12,698 --> 00:42:14,678
Do you want to hear
what she'll say in court?
866
00:42:14,734 --> 00:42:18,648
That my daughter got E. coli
from one of your hamburgers.
867
00:42:19,605 --> 00:42:23,018
That it attacked
her heart and kidneys,
868
00:42:23,909 --> 00:42:25,616
just shut them down.
869
00:42:29,247 --> 00:42:31,318
She was only four years old.
870
00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:33,786
Four.
871
00:42:37,022 --> 00:42:38,092
Can they do this?
872
00:42:38,757 --> 00:42:40,828
A judge will
never let it happen.
873
00:42:40,892 --> 00:42:42,735
Your client opened the door.
874
00:42:42,794 --> 00:42:46,571
He argued that adequate safety
was too expensive
given the risk.
875
00:42:46,631 --> 00:42:50,545
Mrs. Miller will testify
to the consequences of
ignoring that risk.
876
00:42:51,236 --> 00:42:54,877
We have four other witnesses
in addition to Mrs. Miller.
877
00:42:54,939 --> 00:43:00,251
Five distraught parents
before a media-packed
courtroom, if not a jury.
878
00:43:02,579 --> 00:43:05,822
This might be
a good time for another
risk-reward analysis.
879
00:43:07,918 --> 00:43:09,829
Forget it.
This is blackmail.
880
00:43:09,887 --> 00:43:12,197
Let's at least
hear them out.
881
00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:14,236
I am not going to jail.
882
00:43:14,291 --> 00:43:17,067
Jail's not the only thing
you have to worry about, Bill.
883
00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:21,299
Well, if you're
talking about publicity,
AgriStar can spin this.
884
00:43:21,365 --> 00:43:25,438
There's no way
you can spin five distraught
parents, Mr. Talbot.
885
00:43:31,307 --> 00:43:33,150
(WHISPERING)
886
00:43:38,281 --> 00:43:40,318
(SOFTLY) Don't forget
about your family.
887
00:43:41,384 --> 00:43:43,364
(INAUDIBLE)
888
00:43:55,731 --> 00:43:58,677
I assume you'll allow him
to allocute in chambers?
889
00:43:58,934 --> 00:44:00,641
I'll talk to my boss.
890
00:44:13,615 --> 00:44:16,494
Criminally negligent homicide.
Two years for each child.
891
00:44:16,551 --> 00:44:19,259
And 10 times that in the
court of public opinion.
892
00:44:19,321 --> 00:44:21,426
Then why'd you let him
plead guilty in chambers?
893
00:44:21,490 --> 00:44:23,401
Board rooms
have great acoustics.
894
00:44:23,458 --> 00:44:26,700
Believe me,
the people I was talking to
heard us loud and clear.
895
00:44:27,361 --> 00:44:30,968
Talbot's own board
wasted no time distancing
themselves from him.
896
00:44:31,465 --> 00:44:34,412
Now he'll find out
what it's like at the
bottom of the food chain.