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NARRATOR:
In the criminal justice system
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the people are represented
by two separate
yet equally important groups,
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the police
who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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We're obviously
not hitting it off
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like Bob and Marcy
thought we would.
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We don't
have to go eat dinner, okay?
We could just call it a night.
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(EXHALES) We already
came this far.
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We might as well
find this place and
get some tofu or whatever.
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Now you're
being hostile.
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Look, I'm not judging you
for eating meat, okay?
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I just prefer not to
eat beings with souls.
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(CHUCKLES)
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The Pantheists believed
plants had souls.
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How does that fit
into your paradigm?
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I choose to
draw the line
at animal matter.
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And you shouldn't litter.
We're all custodians of
the earth.
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Oh, my God.
What now?
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How long's
he been here?
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Well, the body's still warm.
M.E. says no more than
an hour.
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Looks like he was shot
on the street and then
dragged down here.
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Yeah, he took
one in the chest.
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CSU's got
the shell casings.
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Looks like
his early 50s?
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Yeah. He did pretty well,
from the looks of his clothes.
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Any ID?
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The money's still here,
so it's probably not
a robbery.
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Let's see.
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Thomas Reddick.
Pavilion Publishing. CEO.
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(SIREN WAILS)
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Looks like they publish
a string of magazines.
News, fashion.
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Well, he's on
the other side
of the camera now.
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He's on the other side,
period.
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Tomorrow's
our anniversary.
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Twenty-three years.
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ED: We're very sorry
for your loss, Mrs. Reddick.
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Our son Ted is a senior
at Brown and...
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I don't know how
I'm going to tell him.
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The last time you spoke to
your husband, he was in
his office?
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He called me at about 5:00,
just to say hi.
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I hurried him off the phone
because I was late for my
pilates class.
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ED: What time
did you get home?
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Around 7:00 or so.
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Were you
concerned at all
that he wasn't here?
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Ever since
they made him
CEO at Pavilion,
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he's had
an enormous
demand on his time.
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His office
is at Midtown.
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Any idea why he was
five blocks from here?
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(SIGHS)
The only thing
I can think is that,
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he stopped to get
a last minute
anniversary gift.
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ED: ls there anybody
in the area
he would have visited?
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(SIGHS)
Not that I know of.
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I hate to ask you
this but,
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could there have been
another party involved?
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The only other
party in our marriage
was that job, Detective.
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I used to joke that
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that job would
make me a widow.
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You know, this is
pretty impressive.
Yeah.
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And for all that
the guy ends up dead at
the bottom of a stairwell.
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I've got his
appointment book.
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I'm not sure
you should be
going through that.
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Look, we're dealing with
a homicide investigation.
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Oh, I just meant
there might be some
sensitive material there.
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That's exactly
what we're looking for.
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I was referring
to the corporate
financial information
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about the buyouts.
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Buyouts?
Of the other magazines.
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That's what Mr. Reddick's
meetings were about yesterday.
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When was his
last appointment?
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That would have been
his 6:30 with Legal.
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And that was the
last time you saw him?
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On his way upstairs.
He wasn't very happy.
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Mr. Reddick didn't
really look forward
to meetings with lawyers.
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I know the feeling.
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Pavilion Publishing just
bought out several
magazines
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to bring under
our umbrella.
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Naturally, it came
with residual baggage.
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Meaning?
Lawsuits.
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Thomas was here
for an hour or so to
discuss potential resolutions.
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Thomas was such
a driving force
in this company.
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I can't believe he's gone.
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Was there
anybody else here
besides you two?
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Several of our
in-house attorneys,
a paralegal.
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We were
evaluating the cases and
preparing settlement offers.
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Do you recall what time
Mr. Reddick left the meeting?
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I know
it was around 7:30.
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I just assumed he was
going back to his office.
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I was
on duty last night
when Mr. Reddick left.
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We've all been
working double shifts
these last few months.
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Do people
sign in and out of
the building after hours?
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If they don't have IDs,
anyone in after 6:00
signs a sheet
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and again
when they leave.
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Does that show
anybody signing out around
the time Mr. Reddick left?
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No, sir.
Not until
10 minutes later.
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This doesn't say which offices
half the people went to.
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And some of them
didn't even sign out.
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Phone rings, I can't
do six things at once.
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Was anybody
with Mr. Reddick
when he went out?
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He was by himself.
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I offered
to get him a cab,
it was freezing out,
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but he said
I should stay warm.
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Decent guy.
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Did you see him
get in the cab?
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I saw it pull up.
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I remember
because there were
a few other people out there.
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Looked like
he was talking
to one of them.
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I looked again,
the cab was gone,
so was Mr. Reddick.
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So you didn't see
if Mr. Reddick got in
the taxi by himself?
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I wasn't paying
close attention.
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Do you remember what
this person looked like?
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The one that Reddick
was talking to?
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A white guy.
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Suit and tie, overcoat.
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That's about it.
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Thanks.
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So he leaves his office
at 7:30
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and winds up dead
five blocks from home
a half hour later.
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The canvass didn't turn up
any witnesses in
the vicinity of the attack.
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Well, Ballistics said the gun
used to kill Mr. Reddick
was a Glock 9mm.
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Anything recovered from
the search of the area?
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Nothing so far.
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There were
a couple of gift shops
and florists in the area.
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So if his wife was
right about him stopping
for an anniversary present,
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he never made it.
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Wallet full of cash,
nothing taken.
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It still could have
been a robbery.
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Somebody comes along,
they scare the attacker off.
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So we're right back
to the last people
who saw him alive.
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Security guard said
Reddick left the
building alone
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and then was talking to
a white guy in a suit just
before he got into the cab.
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Only he wasn't sure if
this guy got in the
cab with Reddick.
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Now, that lawyer you
spoke with,
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didn't he say there were
other people at the meeting?
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Well, maybe this guy
in the suit was
one of them.
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Mr. Reddick
left by himself.
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He didn't offer to maybe
share a cab with anybody?
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Mmm-mmm. The rest of us
continued working on
the cases.
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The lawsuits?
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Are those them?
Yes.
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Mind if we take a look?
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Actually, all those
files are privileged.
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Okay. Can you tell us the
nature of the litigations?
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They run the gamut
from slip-and-falls
to contract disputes,
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a few sexual
harassment suits.
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Just one big
happy company.
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ED: Were there any plaintiffs
that were a problem?
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They are all a problem.
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But it wouldn't
have been in anyone's
interest to harm Thomas.
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He was the one anxious
to dispose of the suits.
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BRISCOE: Well,
what we're thinking is,
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would anybody on this list
have been interested in
disposing of him?
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IRWIN: I filed
the suit because
as a stockholder
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I disagree
with the management
decisions of the company.
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I'm guessing you're
a minority shareholder.
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I'm entitled to
express my views.
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Please don't lean
on the Chippendale.
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Maybe you wanted
to express your views
directly to Thomas Reddick.
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That's why I sued.
But as for killing him...
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Look, we spoke
to the lawyers at
the publishing company.
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They got a whole
stack of letters that
you wrote to Mr. Reddick.
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Threatening letters, Irwin.
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Look, I believe in
the pen, not the sword.
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In fact,
I got a file cabinet
full of complaint letters
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just like the one
I sent to Pavilion.
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How come I have
no problem believing that?
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So what the hell
were you so upset about?
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Pavilion is expanding
into areas
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I don't think are
in its best interest.
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Such as...
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Porn.
I mean, they were
soft core magazines,
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but buying them out was
a fundamental violation of
Pavilion's corporate mission.
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The guy
sells Chippendales,
but he objects to porn.
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(LAUGHS MOCKINGLY)
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Wonder why
Pavilion's lawyers
never mentioned it.
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It's their
dirty little secret.
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A profitable one.
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You know,
we can cross-reference
the list of plaintiffs
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from the magazine
and see what turns up.
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My agent told me
it was away to
make some easy money.
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You mean posing
for those photos?
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(SIGHS)
Rent, acting classes,
time off for auditions.
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It all takes money,
Detective.
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Money I don't have.
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So, why did you sue?
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'Cause your boyfriend
didn't like it?
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Doug doesn't understand
what it's like.
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How much competition
there is out there.
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So, he's the one who didn't
want the photos published?
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Well, they were supposed to
be for a private collection.
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Then about six months ago,
I got a letter in the mail
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saying they were
going to run them in
one of their magazines.
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ED: How did
Doug take that?
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(SIGHS) Not real well.
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Is there any chance
that your boyfriend
could have known
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Pavilion was
going to talk about
your lawsuit that night?
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AMANDA: Why?
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We just need to speak
to anybody that might
have been involved.
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Look, Doug was pissed,
but that's all.
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He couldn't have had
anything to do with it.
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He works two jobs.
Nights he tends bar.
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Doug never
showed up that night.
He say why?
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Said he forgot.
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Kid's been with me
over a year.
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I gotta cut him
some slack, you know.
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What do you guys
want to talk to
him about?
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His girlfriend.
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Amanda.
You know her?
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Yeah, sure.
She comes in here
all the time.
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Whoa, whoa. Doug didn't
do something stupid,
now did he?
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Why do you say that?
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Well, the kid's upset,
you know.
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I mean, this girl's
the girl of his dreams,
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if we can all remember
what that's like.
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You know, the stuff about
the pictures comes out,
you know.
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He talked about it?
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Yeah, sure. It's all
he could talk about.
I tried to tell him,
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I said, "Look,
it's not the end of
the world or anything."
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But he didn't
see it that way.
No.
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The guys at
the construction job
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started giving him
the grief, you know.
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We get lawyers in here
from time to time.
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He was always asking 'em
what he could do, you know.
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But they kept telling him
there's nothing he could do.
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So Doug didn't take no
for an answer.
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BRISCOE: Douglas Larson?
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DOUG: That's right.
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We need to talk to you
about Thomas Reddick.
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What about?
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You don't
seem surprised.
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Well, I figure it has
something to do
with Amanda.
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Then you know Mr. Reddick?
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I know who he is, yeah.
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When's the last time
you saw him?
235
00:10:52,921 --> 00:10:55,869
I've never seen him.
Look, what's this
all about?
236
00:10:55,925 --> 00:10:58,531
BRISCOE:
Maybe we better talk
down at the precinct.
237
00:10:59,062 --> 00:11:00,439
Are You saying
I gotta go with you?
238
00:11:00,497 --> 00:11:03,171
Look, it would help
to clear some things up.
239
00:11:03,233 --> 00:11:04,405
About Amanda.
240
00:11:05,935 --> 00:11:07,176
Can I at least change?
241
00:11:07,238 --> 00:11:08,444
BRISCOE:
Oh, don't worry about it.
242
00:11:08,506 --> 00:11:11,544
The kind of pictures we take
are only from the neck up.
243
00:11:11,742 --> 00:11:12,743
Let's go.
244
00:11:17,983 --> 00:11:20,156
I told you, I never
saw Reddick that night.
245
00:11:20,218 --> 00:11:21,663
But you did
go to his office.
246
00:11:21,753 --> 00:11:24,495
Your name's on the
building sign-in sheet.
247
00:11:27,359 --> 00:11:29,931
You recognize your
signature, Mr. Larson?
248
00:11:30,963 --> 00:11:32,909
Okay, I went up to
see Reddick,
249
00:11:32,965 --> 00:11:34,239
but he was
already gone.
250
00:11:34,667 --> 00:11:36,044
Then why go there at all?
251
00:11:36,102 --> 00:11:37,206
I just wanted
to talk to him.
252
00:11:37,270 --> 00:11:39,649
See if maybe
they'd think about what
they were doing to Amanda.
253
00:11:39,706 --> 00:11:41,413
You mean about what
they were doing to you?
254
00:11:41,475 --> 00:11:45,321
People have told us
you were pretty angry about
those pictures, Mr. Larson.
255
00:11:46,046 --> 00:11:47,548
What are you saying?
256
00:11:47,614 --> 00:11:50,255
Why did you
lie to your boss about
where you were that night?
257
00:11:50,318 --> 00:11:52,093
I didn't think it was
any of his business.
258
00:11:52,153 --> 00:11:55,225
The security guard said
he saw you talkin'
to Reddick
259
00:11:55,290 --> 00:11:57,133
that night in front
of his building.
260
00:11:57,192 --> 00:11:59,194
I told you,
I never saw him.
261
00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:01,764
He said that
you two were arguing.
262
00:12:01,831 --> 00:12:03,208
It never happened.
263
00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,947
Look, I went up to
Reddick's office,
he wasn't there.
264
00:12:08,003 --> 00:12:10,848
I came back down,
got in the car with
my friend. That's all.
265
00:12:10,974 --> 00:12:13,011
BRISCOE: What friend?
A guy I work
at the site with.
266
00:12:13,076 --> 00:12:15,249
Danny Moreno.
He gave me a ride.
267
00:12:15,912 --> 00:12:19,121
Look, you can
ask him yourself.
He was there when I came out.
268
00:12:19,716 --> 00:12:22,357
My wife temps
three blocks away.
I gave Doug a lift.
269
00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,796
You drove
into Midtown to
pick your wife up?
270
00:12:24,889 --> 00:12:26,197
She broke her leg
a few months ago.
271
00:12:26,257 --> 00:12:27,793
She still
has trouble
getting around.
272
00:12:27,858 --> 00:12:29,064
What's going on?
273
00:12:29,126 --> 00:12:32,506
Hey, did Doug
tell you why he was
going to Pavilion Publishing?
274
00:12:32,564 --> 00:12:34,771
To talk to some guy about
his girlfriend's pictures.
275
00:12:34,833 --> 00:12:37,211
Was he angry?
Of course he was.
Wouldn't you be?
276
00:12:37,269 --> 00:12:39,749
BRISCOE:
He said that you were
there when he came out.
277
00:12:39,805 --> 00:12:43,049
Yeah, my wife
doesn't get off till 8:00.
I found a spot on the corner.
278
00:12:43,743 --> 00:12:46,349
A man was killed
that night, Mr. Moreno.
279
00:12:46,946 --> 00:12:48,084
This man.
280
00:12:48,147 --> 00:12:50,354
Actually there were
a couple of guys
281
00:12:50,416 --> 00:12:51,952
and I think one of
them was a black guy.
282
00:12:52,018 --> 00:12:53,862
Looked to me like
they had some sort of beef.
283
00:12:53,921 --> 00:12:55,298
Might've been him,
I don't know.
284
00:12:55,356 --> 00:12:57,165
BRISCOE:
Can you describe
who was with him?
285
00:12:57,224 --> 00:12:58,532
Two white guys.
ED: Two white guys?
286
00:12:58,592 --> 00:12:59,627
Right.
287
00:12:59,693 --> 00:13:02,264
Did you notice
if they all came out
of the same building?
288
00:13:02,329 --> 00:13:03,741
I didn't see.
289
00:13:03,798 --> 00:13:05,300
Did you see if
they left together?
290
00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,708
Black guy
got in the cab,
291
00:13:06,768 --> 00:13:09,715
then the other two
flagged down another one
a couple of seconds later.
292
00:13:09,771 --> 00:13:10,841
Anything else
you can tell us?
293
00:13:10,906 --> 00:13:12,852
Just that
the white guys
seemed in a hurry.
294
00:13:12,908 --> 00:13:14,513
I noticed that 'cause
they started helping
a lady
295
00:13:14,577 --> 00:13:16,853
who was already in the cab
take her luggage out of
the back.
296
00:13:16,913 --> 00:13:19,860
It was one of those,
you know, minivan
type taxis.
297
00:13:21,918 --> 00:13:24,194
So, we're not looking for
one white guy in a suit.
Now it's two.
298
00:13:24,253 --> 00:13:26,427
Oh, well, that just
narrows it right down.
299
00:13:26,490 --> 00:13:28,595
And we're sure Doug Larson
wasn't one of them?
300
00:13:28,659 --> 00:13:31,640
Only time you'd
find him in a suit would
be at a wedding or a funeral.
301
00:13:31,695 --> 00:13:35,268
Okay, so this witness sees
these two guys with
Reddick arguing.
302
00:13:35,332 --> 00:13:37,540
Although he's not sure
he saw them come out
of the same building.
303
00:13:37,602 --> 00:13:39,138
Well, if they had something
to do with the murder,
304
00:13:39,203 --> 00:13:41,205
then they had to follow him
in the second cab.
305
00:13:41,272 --> 00:13:43,843
Or they knew
where Reddick was
going in the first place.
306
00:13:43,908 --> 00:13:45,148
Well, the only way
to find out
307
00:13:45,209 --> 00:13:46,951
is to talk to
the second cabbie.
308
00:13:47,413 --> 00:13:48,824
Oh, that ought
to be easy.
309
00:13:51,116 --> 00:13:55,155
Taxi and Limousine Commission
says there's 382 minivan type
cabs in the city.
310
00:13:55,220 --> 00:13:56,665
They tell you
which companies use them?
311
00:13:56,722 --> 00:13:58,293
Yeah, mainly
the independents.
312
00:13:58,358 --> 00:14:00,964
Guy said the
sedans are lucky to have
a three-year street life.
313
00:14:01,027 --> 00:14:02,768
Minivans go for five
or more.
314
00:14:02,829 --> 00:14:03,967
There's three makes.
315
00:14:04,030 --> 00:14:07,204
Isuzu Oasis,
Chevy Venture
and Honda Odyssey.
316
00:14:07,267 --> 00:14:08,941
Here's a list of
the independents.
317
00:14:09,003 --> 00:14:11,279
We can pull
the registrations
from the DMV.
318
00:14:11,339 --> 00:14:14,115
Please tell me they weren't
all on the road that night.
319
00:14:15,543 --> 00:14:17,250
I had just gotten back
from JFK.
320
00:14:17,311 --> 00:14:20,191
I was about to go
back to the airport when
these two guys jumped in.
321
00:14:20,248 --> 00:14:21,522
One of them
gave me $50.
322
00:14:21,583 --> 00:14:24,792
I figured, airport business
isn't what it used to be
anyway, so...
323
00:14:24,853 --> 00:14:25,957
Where'd you take 'em?
324
00:14:26,021 --> 00:14:27,830
The West Side.
The Seventies.
325
00:14:27,889 --> 00:14:28,891
You're sure?
326
00:14:28,958 --> 00:14:31,370
Yes, one of them wanted me
to follow this other cab.
327
00:14:31,427 --> 00:14:32,770
At first,
I started to laugh.
328
00:14:32,829 --> 00:14:34,831
I thought maybe
I was on Spy TV.
329
00:14:34,897 --> 00:14:36,376
But then the one guy,
he tells me to shut up
330
00:14:36,432 --> 00:14:37,911
and keep my eyes
on the other cab.
331
00:14:37,967 --> 00:14:39,412
That is why I remember.
332
00:14:39,837 --> 00:14:41,214
So what happened
when you dropped
them off?
333
00:14:41,438 --> 00:14:43,042
The one
who gave me
the money got out.
334
00:14:43,107 --> 00:14:45,212
The other one I took
back across the park.
335
00:14:45,275 --> 00:14:46,379
BRISCOE: So, they
didn't both get out?
336
00:14:46,443 --> 00:14:49,185
No, no, just the one.
The other guy wanted
to go home.
337
00:14:49,246 --> 00:14:51,693
So, what did the first guy
do when he got out?
338
00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:53,991
He went off into the
direction of the other cab.
339
00:14:54,052 --> 00:14:55,531
After that, I didn't see.
340
00:14:55,587 --> 00:14:57,897
Do you remember
where you dropped
the second guy off?
341
00:14:57,956 --> 00:15:01,837
82nd and York, I think
But I could check
my trip sheet.
342
00:15:01,894 --> 00:15:04,204
BRISCOE: You remember
anything else about
these guys?
343
00:15:04,263 --> 00:15:05,503
Just that the one
was real angry.
344
00:15:05,564 --> 00:15:06,872
ED: Angry?
Angry about what?
345
00:15:06,932 --> 00:15:08,843
I couldn't hear.
Just the other one.
346
00:15:08,934 --> 00:15:10,811
He kept saying
how it is not worth it.
347
00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:12,851
Kept trying
to get his friend
to go back to some bar.
348
00:15:12,906 --> 00:15:13,976
What bar?
349
00:15:14,041 --> 00:15:15,486
Had to be near
where I picked
them up.
350
00:15:15,542 --> 00:15:18,386
He kept on talking
about the waitress.
A redhead.
351
00:15:19,312 --> 00:15:21,690
We get a lot of customers
from the building
after work.
352
00:15:21,748 --> 00:15:23,126
Brokers, lawyers.
353
00:15:23,184 --> 00:15:25,186
You made quite
an impression
on this guy.
354
00:15:25,253 --> 00:15:27,096
He was talking about you
in the cab.
355
00:15:27,155 --> 00:15:28,429
Nothing stands out.
356
00:15:28,489 --> 00:15:31,436
Okay, this guy had a friend.
They would have left
around 7:30.
357
00:15:31,492 --> 00:15:33,530
That's happy hour.
It's a mob scene in here.
358
00:15:33,595 --> 00:15:36,769
Well, we're gonna need all
your charge receipts
from that night.
359
00:15:36,832 --> 00:15:38,106
My manager could
get those for you,
360
00:15:38,167 --> 00:15:40,147
but usually
guys just pay cash.
361
00:15:40,202 --> 00:15:42,341
Hey, did anybody
try to hook up with you?
362
00:15:42,404 --> 00:15:43,611
Ask for your number?
363
00:15:44,574 --> 00:15:46,076
Hang on a minute.
364
00:15:47,043 --> 00:15:50,684
Hook up?
Were these guys trying
to get laid or tow her car?
365
00:15:50,747 --> 00:15:52,055
(CHUCKLES)
366
00:15:52,348 --> 00:15:55,626
I don't give out my number.
But sometimes guys give me
their business cards.
367
00:15:55,686 --> 00:15:58,189
These are from the
past couple of nights.
368
00:16:00,991 --> 00:16:03,904
I had no idea that was
the guy who was killed.
369
00:16:04,996 --> 00:16:06,498
So, you don't
read the paper?
370
00:16:06,565 --> 00:16:09,273
Look, if I would
have known, I would have...
371
00:16:09,334 --> 00:16:13,510
Well, now you do know.
So why don't you tell us
what happened, Mr. Turner?
372
00:16:14,005 --> 00:16:16,543
Or we can
put your ass
in a line-up.
373
00:16:16,609 --> 00:16:18,145
Should I have
a lawyer here?
374
00:16:18,244 --> 00:16:20,781
If you don't
start telling us
what happened, yeah.
375
00:16:23,983 --> 00:16:26,191
I had a drink with Ray.
Ray Burrows.
376
00:16:26,553 --> 00:16:27,998
Mr. Burrows
works here, too?
377
00:16:28,055 --> 00:16:30,399
Used to.
Not anymore.
378
00:16:30,457 --> 00:16:32,596
So you met him for
a drink. Then what?
379
00:16:32,659 --> 00:16:33,729
I went home.
380
00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:37,700
Mr. Turner, we know that
you followed Mr. Reddick
in a taxi.
381
00:16:38,166 --> 00:16:41,272
Then you know
I'm telling the truth
about going home.
382
00:16:41,336 --> 00:16:44,340
We think
you know more about
what happened than that.
383
00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,344
Are you gonna tell us
or am I gonna slap
cuffs on you?
384
00:16:50,846 --> 00:16:52,621
We came out of the bar.
385
00:16:53,482 --> 00:16:55,223
Ray got a cab.
386
00:16:56,085 --> 00:16:57,792
This other guy
walks up to it.
387
00:16:57,853 --> 00:16:58,992
BRISCOE:
Thomas Reddick.
388
00:16:59,055 --> 00:17:01,057
The black guy
who got killed.
389
00:17:01,124 --> 00:17:02,865
I didn't know his name.
390
00:17:04,261 --> 00:17:07,640
He starts to get in,
Ray puts an arm on him,
tells him that's our cab.
391
00:17:08,966 --> 00:17:10,707
It just escalated
from there.
392
00:17:11,869 --> 00:17:13,143
Wait a minute.
393
00:17:13,204 --> 00:17:15,184
You're telling us
that this whole thing
394
00:17:15,239 --> 00:17:17,082
was because of
an argument over a taxi?
395
00:17:19,210 --> 00:17:20,451
Yeah.
396
00:17:23,482 --> 00:17:25,985
Great. Search warrant's
in the building.
397
00:17:26,251 --> 00:17:28,629
Now, we're sure
Turner's not gonna
tip off his friend?
398
00:17:28,687 --> 00:17:30,759
Not from the jail cell
we got him sitting in.
399
00:17:30,824 --> 00:17:32,997
We're holding him for
a material witness order.
400
00:17:33,059 --> 00:17:34,970
Figure it's better
to be safe than sorry
401
00:17:35,028 --> 00:17:36,336
till the warrant
gets here.
402
00:17:36,396 --> 00:17:39,206
And this whole thing
comes out of
a dispute over a cab?
403
00:17:39,265 --> 00:17:40,836
BRISCOE: Looks that way.
404
00:17:40,901 --> 00:17:42,278
Here's the warrant,
Lieutenant,
405
00:17:42,336 --> 00:17:44,009
signed, sealed and delivered.
406
00:17:44,071 --> 00:17:45,573
VAN BUREN: Thanks.
407
00:17:47,041 --> 00:17:48,850
Ain't this something?
408
00:17:48,909 --> 00:17:52,483
Black man finally gets a cab
in this city and gets
killed for it.
409
00:17:56,851 --> 00:17:58,091
BURROWS:
This is way
out of line.
410
00:17:58,153 --> 00:18:01,066
Most people would say
killing a man for a taxi
is way out of line.
411
00:18:01,122 --> 00:18:03,433
Yeah, most people don't know
their ass from their elbow.
412
00:18:03,492 --> 00:18:05,597
You know your ass
from your elbow,
Detective?
413
00:18:05,661 --> 00:18:07,072
I know an ass
when I see one.
414
00:18:07,129 --> 00:18:08,199
Well, I'll tell you
what, Tonto,
415
00:18:08,264 --> 00:18:10,107
if that's
all you've got,
then get the hell out.
416
00:18:10,166 --> 00:18:11,611
I have a date tonight.
417
00:18:11,667 --> 00:18:13,978
Yeah, I bet you're
a real pistol, too.
418
00:18:14,037 --> 00:18:15,209
Hey, Ed.
ED: Yeah?
419
00:18:15,505 --> 00:18:17,314
Rounds for a 9mm.
420
00:18:17,374 --> 00:18:20,014
Oh, now you can show us
where the gun is, Kemosabe.
421
00:18:20,344 --> 00:18:21,345
I don't have a gun.
422
00:18:21,411 --> 00:18:24,222
Oh, no?
What do you do,
throw the bullets?
423
00:18:24,282 --> 00:18:25,590
ED: Lennie.
424
00:18:30,221 --> 00:18:31,359
Take this.
425
00:18:34,193 --> 00:18:36,332
Put your hands
behind your back.
No, not for you.
426
00:18:36,395 --> 00:18:37,396
For him.
427
00:18:37,463 --> 00:18:39,409
You'll do whatever the hell
I tell you to do.
428
00:18:39,465 --> 00:18:40,808
Now, turn around.
429
00:18:42,034 --> 00:18:43,172
(LAUGHS)
430
00:18:43,235 --> 00:18:44,578
I want to see my lawyer.
431
00:18:44,671 --> 00:18:46,548
Oh, sure.
We'll just
step outside
432
00:18:46,606 --> 00:18:48,882
and my partner here
will flag you a cab.
433
00:18:48,942 --> 00:18:50,080
ED: Come on.
434
00:18:54,781 --> 00:18:58,924
Ballistics matched the gun
as the weapon that killed
Mr. Reddick.
435
00:18:58,986 --> 00:19:00,795
Burrows make
any statements
about the shooting?
436
00:19:00,855 --> 00:19:04,132
Never got a chance to.
The guy lawyered up
first thing.
437
00:19:04,191 --> 00:19:05,967
SERENA: He's got no
prior criminal history.
438
00:19:06,028 --> 00:19:08,975
And we also
haven't been able to
establish any contact
439
00:19:09,031 --> 00:19:12,444
between him and Reddick
prior to the argument
over the cab.
440
00:19:12,701 --> 00:19:14,578
So what's the theory?
He just snapped?
441
00:19:14,636 --> 00:19:17,174
According to Turner,
they followed the
victim's cab
442
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,914
for almost 20 minutes
before the attack.
443
00:19:20,677 --> 00:19:23,487
Which should have been
plenty of time to
cool off.
444
00:19:24,514 --> 00:19:26,084
What the hell's
his problem?
445
00:19:26,149 --> 00:19:28,756
We think
he killed this man
because he was black.
446
00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:32,027
The guy went crazy
when I tried to cuff him.
447
00:19:32,089 --> 00:19:33,193
SERENA:
So it's a hate crime.
448
00:19:33,257 --> 00:19:35,737
VAN BUREN: Look, the man's
walking around with
a loaded 9mm,
449
00:19:35,793 --> 00:19:37,739
uses it
without provocation.
450
00:19:37,963 --> 00:19:39,499
May not have
been premeditated,
451
00:19:39,564 --> 00:19:42,272
but it sure seems
pretty damned calculated.
452
00:19:45,837 --> 00:19:48,944
My client's been
completely cooperative
with this investigation.
453
00:19:49,008 --> 00:19:51,045
Which is the only reason
he hasn't been indicted.
454
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:54,580
Indicted for what?
Scott never even
got out of that cab.
455
00:19:54,647 --> 00:19:56,456
Look, I told you
what happened.
456
00:19:56,716 --> 00:19:59,357
But you haven't told us
why it happened,
Mr. Turner.
457
00:19:59,419 --> 00:20:02,730
Yeah, like why your friend
Ray was walkin' around
with a gun.
458
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:03,824
I never saw a gun.
459
00:20:03,890 --> 00:20:05,733
ED: Yeah, but you knew
he had one.
460
00:20:05,792 --> 00:20:07,567
That's why you and Ray
were so brave that night.
461
00:20:07,627 --> 00:20:10,939
SHIELDS: Look,
I represent this man
as a material witness.
462
00:20:10,999 --> 00:20:12,808
If he's becoming a target
in this investigation,
463
00:20:12,867 --> 00:20:14,505
he has a right to know.
464
00:20:14,569 --> 00:20:16,105
You knew your friend.
465
00:20:16,170 --> 00:20:18,116
You heard him
ask the driver to
follow the victim.
466
00:20:18,172 --> 00:20:20,551
Don't pretend
you had no idea
what would happen.
467
00:20:24,279 --> 00:20:25,656
What are you after?
468
00:20:26,448 --> 00:20:29,258
All statements made
by Ray Burrows during
the initial altercation
469
00:20:29,318 --> 00:20:31,492
with the victim and
throughout the cab ride.
470
00:20:31,554 --> 00:20:33,693
In other words,
we want to know
if your buddy Ray
471
00:20:33,757 --> 00:20:35,134
called him a nigger.
472
00:20:40,363 --> 00:20:42,674
Turner says Burrows used
repeated racial epithets
473
00:20:42,733 --> 00:20:45,179
during the argument
and throughout
the cab ride.
474
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:47,574
What about at the scene?
475
00:20:47,638 --> 00:20:49,174
There's no eyewitness.
476
00:20:50,274 --> 00:20:53,688
Which means that his lawyer
can argue that racist or not,
477
00:20:53,745 --> 00:20:55,622
this was just
a crime of opportunity.
478
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,183
Not if we can show Burrows
has been involved in
other incidents.
479
00:20:58,250 --> 00:21:01,163
Turner mentioned
another altercation with
a black salesman at work.
480
00:21:01,219 --> 00:21:02,254
Talk to him.
481
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,598
Before we play the race card,
I want to see the whole deck.
482
00:21:09,696 --> 00:21:12,609
I'm not surprised.
Frankly, it was only
a matter of time.
483
00:21:12,665 --> 00:21:14,976
What makes you say that?
484
00:21:15,035 --> 00:21:17,276
A few months ago,
Burrows barged
into my office
485
00:21:17,338 --> 00:21:19,818
and accused me
of stealing a client.
486
00:21:19,873 --> 00:21:21,443
Why did he think that?
487
00:21:21,508 --> 00:21:23,181
The client was black.
488
00:21:23,243 --> 00:21:25,884
Apparently he thought
Ray was condescending.
489
00:21:25,947 --> 00:21:27,824
So what happened?
490
00:21:27,882 --> 00:21:29,953
The manager reassigned
the client to me,
491
00:21:30,018 --> 00:21:31,827
and when Burrows found out,
he hit the roof.
492
00:21:31,886 --> 00:21:33,729
He started screaming that
we were all out to get him.
493
00:21:33,788 --> 00:21:35,234
You know, black people.
494
00:21:35,891 --> 00:21:39,998
And he called me
an affirmative
action incompetent
495
00:21:40,096 --> 00:21:43,202
and few other things
I'd rather not repeat.
496
00:21:43,599 --> 00:21:45,476
What did you do?
497
00:21:45,534 --> 00:21:49,483
I was about to smack him
in his mouth only
that's when I saw his gun.
498
00:21:50,574 --> 00:21:52,247
He had a gun?
499
00:21:52,309 --> 00:21:53,788
In his waistband.
500
00:21:53,844 --> 00:21:55,289
Pulled back his jacket
so I could see it.
501
00:21:55,345 --> 00:21:56,415
What did you do?
502
00:21:56,481 --> 00:21:58,392
I backed the hell off.
503
00:21:58,449 --> 00:22:01,293
I mean,
I thought he was
going to shoot me.
504
00:22:01,352 --> 00:22:03,730
And then something
caught his attention
and he walked out.
505
00:22:04,055 --> 00:22:05,659
Did you report
this to anyone?
506
00:22:05,723 --> 00:22:07,328
Told the boss.
507
00:22:07,392 --> 00:22:08,393
What was done?
508
00:22:09,361 --> 00:22:10,840
Burrows was fired.
509
00:22:12,464 --> 00:22:16,344
You know,
it took me over a month
before I could sleep again.
510
00:22:17,871 --> 00:22:19,544
I still think about it.
511
00:22:22,976 --> 00:22:25,889
The incident
with the co-worker
was not an isolated event.
512
00:22:25,945 --> 00:22:28,118
Pretty much everybody
I spoke to said
the same thing.
513
00:22:28,181 --> 00:22:31,527
Burrows goes out of his
way to let people know
how he feels.
514
00:22:32,086 --> 00:22:34,566
He even
wrote a letter
to his co-op board
515
00:22:34,622 --> 00:22:37,762
trying to get them
to reject a couple buying
an apartment in his building.
516
00:22:39,127 --> 00:22:42,301
Apparently Mr. Burrows
has a problem
with interracial couples.
517
00:22:43,031 --> 00:22:45,671
You'd at least think
he'd try to be subtle.
518
00:22:46,902 --> 00:22:49,007
Call his lawyer.
Set up a meeting.
519
00:22:49,738 --> 00:22:51,480
We're going
with a hate crime.
520
00:22:52,575 --> 00:22:53,815
(SIGHS)
521
00:22:55,811 --> 00:22:58,314
He deserves all the time
we can give him.
522
00:23:00,984 --> 00:23:02,190
ARCHER: You can't be serious.
523
00:23:02,486 --> 00:23:04,523
That's five years on
top of the murder charge.
524
00:23:04,588 --> 00:23:07,762
Your client hunted down
a total stranger,
killed him in cold blood.
525
00:23:07,824 --> 00:23:09,360
Offer's 20-to-life.
526
00:23:09,426 --> 00:23:12,704
It was rage reaction
to a dispute over a taxi.
527
00:23:13,431 --> 00:23:16,605
He followed this man
through traffic for
over 20 minutes.
528
00:23:16,668 --> 00:23:19,308
Engaged in conversation,
paid the driver.
529
00:23:19,370 --> 00:23:22,875
There's more than sufficient
attenuation to preclude
any rage defense.
530
00:23:22,942 --> 00:23:24,717
He's got
no criminal record.
531
00:23:25,077 --> 00:23:27,853
Well, then,
he hit the jackpot
the first time out.
532
00:23:28,647 --> 00:23:30,593
At least let's take
the hate crime off the table.
533
00:23:30,649 --> 00:23:33,290
Mr. Burrows put it
on the table
in the first place.
534
00:23:33,353 --> 00:23:34,525
In writing.
535
00:23:36,823 --> 00:23:39,269
Which leaves me no choice
but to do the same.
536
00:23:39,326 --> 00:23:41,670
You'll have my motion
by the end of the day.
537
00:23:46,467 --> 00:23:49,676
Not only can't they
link this co-op board
letter to the homicide,
538
00:23:49,737 --> 00:23:51,341
but they can't establish
that the crime
539
00:23:51,405 --> 00:23:52,975
had anything to
do with race at all.
540
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,180
We can
show a history
of racist attitudes
541
00:23:55,244 --> 00:23:57,190
and the statements
he made in the cab.
542
00:23:57,245 --> 00:24:00,226
Your Honor, this letter
would be so inflammatory.
It would be so prejudicial.
543
00:24:00,282 --> 00:24:01,420
That's exactly the point.
544
00:24:01,483 --> 00:24:03,224
The hate crime statute
requires us to prove
545
00:24:03,285 --> 00:24:05,766
that the victim was targeted
because of his race.
546
00:24:06,389 --> 00:24:10,804
This letter provides a jury
with a context to evaluate
the defendant's motive.
547
00:24:12,028 --> 00:24:13,371
Let it in.
548
00:24:13,429 --> 00:24:15,341
Ray.
No, I'm tired
of all of this.
549
00:24:15,399 --> 00:24:17,379
Tired of hiding.
I did the right thing.
550
00:24:18,002 --> 00:24:20,004
Your Honor, please,
I'd like to call for
an immediate adjournment.
551
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:21,344
I don't want
an adjournment.
552
00:24:21,405 --> 00:24:24,648
What I want is
for a jury to hear
why I shot the bastard.
553
00:24:24,708 --> 00:24:26,814
Judge, I object to
this entire proceeding.
554
00:24:26,878 --> 00:24:28,687
It's your own motion,
Mr. Archer.
555
00:24:29,481 --> 00:24:31,427
BURROWS: Let 'em
see that letter, Judge.
556
00:24:31,483 --> 00:24:34,259
Let a jury hear
the truth for once.
557
00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:35,821
Once a jury
of my peers does,
558
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,596
they'll see that
we're the ones on the
endangered species list.
559
00:24:39,659 --> 00:24:42,196
Obviously I have to
consult with my client.
560
00:24:42,261 --> 00:24:44,901
JUDGE: Talk to him about
anything you want, Counselor.
561
00:24:44,964 --> 00:24:46,341
I've heard enough.
562
00:24:47,501 --> 00:24:50,573
The defendant's letter
to the co-op board
comes in.
563
00:24:51,538 --> 00:24:55,987
The defendant's history
of his racist attitudes
comes in.
564
00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:59,583
But what I will not do
is allow the People
565
00:24:59,647 --> 00:25:03,151
to use
what your client
just said right here.
566
00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:08,900
You're sure this wasn't
some sort of stunt
his lawyer pulled?
567
00:25:08,958 --> 00:25:11,564
Archer did everything
but stuff a sock in
his mouth.
568
00:25:11,627 --> 00:25:14,198
Well, maybe he should have.
He just walked
into a five-year enhancement
569
00:25:14,263 --> 00:25:16,743
of the murder charge.
What is he, nuts?
570
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,506
You may not be far off.
571
00:25:18,567 --> 00:25:22,141
Archer just filed notice
of his intent to offer
psychiatric evidence.
572
00:25:22,739 --> 00:25:24,218
An insanity defense.
573
00:25:24,541 --> 00:25:26,316
Based on what?
Racism.
574
00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:30,725
He claims Burrows' hatred
of blacks rises to some
sort of paranoid delusion.
575
00:25:31,449 --> 00:25:33,986
The only delusion here
is Archer's.
576
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,830
I have a duty to defend
my client any way I see fit.
577
00:25:38,889 --> 00:25:40,027
Within the bounds of law.
578
00:25:40,091 --> 00:25:42,971
Racism has never been
legally recognized as
a mental defect.
579
00:25:43,795 --> 00:25:47,800
I now have an expert witness,
Your Honor, and he's willing
to testify.
580
00:25:47,866 --> 00:25:49,743
Some rent-a-doc,
Mr. Archer?
581
00:25:49,868 --> 00:25:52,315
No, a psychiatrist from
the Yale Medical School
582
00:25:52,772 --> 00:25:54,342
and an African-American.
583
00:25:54,407 --> 00:25:57,320
JUDGE: And he will testify
to exactly what, Mr. Archer?
584
00:25:57,376 --> 00:26:01,883
That extreme racism is
a form of mental illness
that should be recognized
585
00:26:01,949 --> 00:26:05,021
by the Diagnostic
and Statistical Manual
of Mental Disorders.
586
00:26:05,085 --> 00:26:06,860
Meaning that it isn't.
587
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,892
I'm not going to have
my court turned upside down
with speculation, Counselor.
588
00:26:11,959 --> 00:26:15,601
A Massachusetts court
has already accepted
the theory
589
00:26:15,663 --> 00:26:19,042
that racially paranoid
beliefs constitute
a mental defect.
590
00:26:20,135 --> 00:26:23,015
Look, all I am asking
is for a chance to
present my case.
591
00:26:23,072 --> 00:26:25,678
What he's asking for
is a free pass.
592
00:26:25,741 --> 00:26:29,689
He does have the right
to use any defense
cognizable at law.
593
00:26:29,745 --> 00:26:32,692
And like it or not,
this one is.
594
00:26:36,820 --> 00:26:40,461
No jury in New York's going
to buy an insanity defense
from an admitted racist.
595
00:26:40,557 --> 00:26:42,594
It gets a little easier
when judges let experts
596
00:26:42,659 --> 00:26:44,537
testify he's delusional.
597
00:26:44,595 --> 00:26:46,131
Try selling it
to a black juror.
598
00:26:46,197 --> 00:26:48,768
Only takes one
to hang a jury, Jack.
599
00:26:48,833 --> 00:26:51,245
Have you taken a look
at their expert's CV?
600
00:26:51,302 --> 00:26:52,975
I mean, this psychiatrist
is no quack.
601
00:26:53,638 --> 00:26:56,518
If he believes what's in his
own report, he's not far off.
602
00:26:57,075 --> 00:27:00,056
Why? Because psychiatry
doesn't agree with him?
603
00:27:00,546 --> 00:27:02,184
You know,
at one time or another
604
00:27:02,247 --> 00:27:04,454
there was no precedent for
most of the mental disorders
605
00:27:04,516 --> 00:27:05,894
we now allow in court.
606
00:27:05,952 --> 00:27:08,159
JACK: And I've spent
more than 20 years
in this office
607
00:27:08,221 --> 00:27:10,428
making sure there are
less of them, not more.
608
00:27:11,458 --> 00:27:13,802
The last time,
it was a black defendant
609
00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:16,705
trying to justify
a murder on black rage.
610
00:27:16,764 --> 00:27:18,675
I'd no more accept
that nonsense than this.
611
00:27:19,533 --> 00:27:23,037
Yeah, the irony is though
if there's any truth to
this theory,
612
00:27:23,838 --> 00:27:28,151
and if we'd been
treating racism as
a mental illness all along,
613
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:30,747
maybe we wouldn't
have a Ray Burrows.
614
00:27:31,046 --> 00:27:32,787
Or there'd be more of them.
615
00:27:33,882 --> 00:27:35,225
The only way
to prevent that
616
00:27:35,283 --> 00:27:37,354
is to hold people
responsible for
their actions.
617
00:27:45,228 --> 00:27:47,708
You know what I read
that crystallized it
for me?
618
00:27:47,764 --> 00:27:49,802
Why don't you tell me?
619
00:27:49,867 --> 00:27:53,212
An account by a guy who
went around shooting MRCs.
620
00:27:54,404 --> 00:27:55,747
MRCs?
621
00:27:56,540 --> 00:27:58,451
Mixed racial couples.
622
00:28:01,246 --> 00:28:05,285
See the key is,
he always had to
shoot the black guy first
623
00:28:05,617 --> 00:28:08,097
if he was going
to shoot them both.
624
00:28:08,153 --> 00:28:10,134
Why is that, Ray?
625
00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:12,032
Because if he shot
the white woman first,
626
00:28:12,091 --> 00:28:14,264
then the black man
would just run away.
627
00:28:14,627 --> 00:28:19,667
But if he shot him first,
then the white woman
would stay to help.
628
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:22,907
Then the shooter
could get them both.
629
00:28:24,971 --> 00:28:27,679
The point is you believe
black men are cowards.
630
00:28:27,741 --> 00:28:31,417
Well, the empirical evidence
seems to bear that out,
wouldn't you say?
631
00:28:31,479 --> 00:28:34,153
I'm more interested
in what you have to say.
632
00:28:34,215 --> 00:28:36,217
You're aware your lawyer's
claiming you're delusional
633
00:28:36,284 --> 00:28:37,957
because you hold
just these kinds of views?
634
00:28:38,019 --> 00:28:39,191
(MUTTERS)
635
00:28:39,253 --> 00:28:41,460
Well, I'm not delusional.
Anyone who doesn't see
636
00:28:41,522 --> 00:28:44,333
that this country's being
taken away from guys like
you and me
637
00:28:44,393 --> 00:28:46,168
is the one
who's delusional.
638
00:28:47,429 --> 00:28:50,433
You think minorities
are out to get you,
Mr. Burrows?
639
00:28:51,333 --> 00:28:53,507
We both know that they are.
640
00:28:55,471 --> 00:28:57,917
Don't tell me
that if you were
about to get on an airplane
641
00:28:57,974 --> 00:29:00,580
and there was
an Arab in line that
you wouldn't check him out
642
00:29:00,643 --> 00:29:02,920
just a little bit harder?
643
00:29:04,782 --> 00:29:06,762
Is that delusion, Doc?
644
00:29:10,688 --> 00:29:12,565
What's your impression
of him?
645
00:29:12,623 --> 00:29:15,161
In my opinion,
Ray Burrows is
one scary dude.
646
00:29:15,226 --> 00:29:18,036
But he fully appreciated
the nature of his actions.
647
00:29:18,096 --> 00:29:19,666
You're basing this
on what?
648
00:29:19,731 --> 00:29:22,644
The fact that racism
is not a mental illness.
649
00:29:22,701 --> 00:29:24,409
Yale shrink
or no Yale shrink.
650
00:29:24,504 --> 00:29:26,108
No matter how severe
his delusions are
651
00:29:26,172 --> 00:29:28,277
that black people
pose a threat to him?
652
00:29:28,341 --> 00:29:30,321
Mr. Burrows
could use a course
in anger management,
653
00:29:30,376 --> 00:29:32,754
but he definitely knew
what he'd done was wrong.
654
00:29:32,812 --> 00:29:36,488
Believe me, nobody tries
that hard to convince me
they're right otherwise.
655
00:29:40,487 --> 00:29:42,467
So what did Skoda
have to say?
656
00:29:42,522 --> 00:29:43,933
What we expected.
657
00:29:44,825 --> 00:29:46,203
Do you agree with him?
658
00:29:46,261 --> 00:29:47,740
I'm just second chair.
659
00:29:47,795 --> 00:29:49,672
Oh, you don't
have an opinion?
660
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:57,114
An opinion about whether
a racist should escape
responsibility for murder?
661
00:30:01,043 --> 00:30:03,284
(CLEARS THROAT)
You mean you want
the truth?
662
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,718
I've been with Jack
for about six months,
663
00:30:06,782 --> 00:30:11,061
and all I ever hear
are people making excuses
about killing other people.
664
00:30:12,222 --> 00:30:13,758
We have to
hold them accountable.
665
00:30:14,658 --> 00:30:16,865
So you'd just dismiss
treatment options?
666
00:30:16,927 --> 00:30:20,034
You make it sound like there
are treatment options
for racists.
667
00:30:20,331 --> 00:30:21,639
There aren't.
668
00:30:21,699 --> 00:30:23,804
No. There may never be.
669
00:30:24,635 --> 00:30:26,546
But still, you know,
you can't let fear
670
00:30:26,604 --> 00:30:28,744
dictate your decisions
about criminal justice.
671
00:30:29,041 --> 00:30:32,045
Everyone's afraid, Nora.
I'm afraid.
672
00:30:33,378 --> 00:30:35,688
And it just seems like
after what happened
with the Towers,
673
00:30:35,747 --> 00:30:39,855
the last thing we want to do
is give people a blank check
to act on their hatred.
674
00:30:42,255 --> 00:30:44,292
That's interesting.
675
00:30:48,361 --> 00:30:52,333
Doctor, is it your opinion
that at the time of the crime
676
00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:55,005
my client suffered
from a mental disease
677
00:30:55,102 --> 00:30:58,174
which precluded his capacity
to appreciate right
from wrong?
678
00:30:58,439 --> 00:30:59,440
Yes, it is.
679
00:30:59,506 --> 00:31:00,781
And what was
that mental defect?
680
00:31:00,842 --> 00:31:01,877
Racism.
681
00:31:01,943 --> 00:31:03,320
That is
an extreme belief
682
00:31:03,378 --> 00:31:06,416
that a racial group poses
a threat, unsupported
by reality.
683
00:31:06,481 --> 00:31:09,621
Hmm. So what
about Ray Burrows?
684
00:31:09,684 --> 00:31:12,757
I believe
his racist attitudes so
interfered with his behavior
685
00:31:12,822 --> 00:31:14,096
that he thought
that killing
Mr. Reddick
686
00:31:14,156 --> 00:31:17,035
was not only not wrong,
it actually was justified.
687
00:31:17,093 --> 00:31:19,630
You're not saying
we shouldn't
hold him accountable?
688
00:31:19,695 --> 00:31:21,767
I'm saying
he's in need of
psychiatric help.
689
00:31:22,132 --> 00:31:23,975
If we want to do anything
about prevention,
690
00:31:24,034 --> 00:31:26,776
we must consider racism
as a form of mental disorder.
691
00:31:27,504 --> 00:31:29,006
Thank you, Doctor.
692
00:31:33,744 --> 00:31:35,849
What about blacks
killing whites?
693
00:31:35,913 --> 00:31:37,790
It doesn't matter
who kills whom.
694
00:31:37,849 --> 00:31:41,092
Not as long
as the individual
suffers from racist delusions.
695
00:31:41,152 --> 00:31:43,429
You're not suggesting
that African-Americans
696
00:31:43,489 --> 00:31:45,526
haven't been discriminated
against in this country?
697
00:31:45,591 --> 00:31:46,934
Of course not.
698
00:31:46,992 --> 00:31:50,235
Meaning that
you wouldn't consider
those perceptions delusional.
699
00:31:51,096 --> 00:31:52,734
Perhaps not.
700
00:31:52,798 --> 00:31:54,039
So whites would be
the only ones
701
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:56,410
who could benefit
from this diagnosis.
702
00:31:57,670 --> 00:32:01,880
You also maintain
the defendant believes
that what he did was right.
703
00:32:01,941 --> 00:32:03,147
Yes.
704
00:32:03,610 --> 00:32:06,683
How is it then
that he concealed his
crime from the police?
705
00:32:06,747 --> 00:32:09,853
Society doesn't
encourage people
to admit being racist.
706
00:32:09,917 --> 00:32:12,227
If fact, we ostracize them
when they do.
707
00:32:12,286 --> 00:32:15,962
We did the same thing to
people suffering from
cancer in the '50s,
708
00:32:16,024 --> 00:32:17,662
AIDS in the '80s.
709
00:32:17,726 --> 00:32:20,468
You'd compare a racist
to a cancer patient?
710
00:32:20,529 --> 00:32:23,408
Only in the way
society considers them.
711
00:32:23,465 --> 00:32:26,879
Consider that Mr. Burrows
wrote a racist letter to
his co-op board.
712
00:32:26,936 --> 00:32:28,472
Nobody said
anything to him.
713
00:32:28,538 --> 00:32:30,279
Now, had he said
he was suffering
from depression,
714
00:32:30,339 --> 00:32:33,252
they may very
well have recommended
psychological treatment.
715
00:32:33,309 --> 00:32:35,983
Only there is no treatment
for the racist.
716
00:32:36,045 --> 00:32:38,993
Because your view has
been specifically rejected
717
00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:41,529
by the American
Psychiatric Association.
718
00:32:41,585 --> 00:32:43,064
Unfortunately, yes.
719
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,263
In fact, racism isn't
mentioned anywhere in
the DSM-IV,
720
00:32:47,325 --> 00:32:48,668
is it, Doctor?
721
00:32:48,726 --> 00:32:50,569
Until 1974,
722
00:32:50,628 --> 00:32:53,837
being gay was considered
a mental disorder in
this very book.
723
00:32:53,898 --> 00:32:58,473
Until a consensus was
formed among psychiatrists
that its inclusion was wrong.
724
00:32:59,705 --> 00:33:02,982
But there's no consensus
for what you're proposing,
is there, Doctor?
725
00:33:03,042 --> 00:33:04,885
Not at this time, no.
726
00:33:04,944 --> 00:33:08,791
A great many people think
negative thoughts about
other people,
727
00:33:09,249 --> 00:33:11,695
but they don't break
the law because of them.
728
00:33:11,751 --> 00:33:15,028
But when racist thoughts
are coupled with threats
of violence,
729
00:33:15,088 --> 00:33:17,898
that moves into the territory
of mental illness.
730
00:33:17,958 --> 00:33:20,337
So it's
outcome determinative.
731
00:33:20,394 --> 00:33:22,772
The racist's views
become delusional
732
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:25,401
only when they escalate
into an act of violence.
733
00:33:25,833 --> 00:33:29,805
When the racist's mental
processes interfere
with normal functioning.
734
00:33:31,139 --> 00:33:34,211
Without regard to
whether Mr. Burrows
735
00:33:34,443 --> 00:33:38,949
was actually able to
appreciate the nature
of his actions or not.
736
00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:45,966
It's a theory
in search of a patient.
737
00:33:47,757 --> 00:33:50,967
I know firsthand what it is
to experience prejudice,
Mr. McCoy.
738
00:33:51,996 --> 00:33:55,205
But if we continue to
deny racism as a form
of mental illness
739
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:57,574
and attack it solely
on cultural grounds,
740
00:33:57,635 --> 00:34:00,013
we lose any chance
to treat it.
741
00:34:00,804 --> 00:34:02,250
No, sir.
742
00:34:02,307 --> 00:34:05,948
By creating an excuse,
we lose any chance to
punish it.
743
00:34:15,521 --> 00:34:17,125
In my opinion,
at the time of the crime,
744
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:20,865
Ray Burrows was oriented
to reality and able to
control his actions.
745
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,534
So you disagree with
Dr. Bernard's theory
746
00:34:23,597 --> 00:34:26,601
that racism qualifies
as a delusional disorder.
747
00:34:26,667 --> 00:34:29,477
It's pretty much
the entire
psychiatric community.
748
00:34:30,504 --> 00:34:32,484
I mean,
if we're going to say
everyone who espouses
749
00:34:32,539 --> 00:34:34,747
bigoted beliefs
has a mental illness,
750
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:38,454
we stretch the term
mental illness
beyond any usefulness.
751
00:34:38,513 --> 00:34:41,289
What about his assertion
that racism can be treated?
752
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:42,760
How? Through
talk therapy?
753
00:34:42,817 --> 00:34:45,662
I doubt
that's likely to
be very effective.
754
00:34:46,088 --> 00:34:48,830
Racism simply
is not a matter of
individual pathology.
755
00:34:48,891 --> 00:34:51,872
That's why it's not
included in the DSM-IV.
756
00:34:53,195 --> 00:34:54,469
Nothing further.
757
00:34:56,266 --> 00:35:00,180
So, exactly what
research was done
758
00:35:00,237 --> 00:35:02,945
prior to removing
homosexuality
from the DSM-IV?
759
00:35:03,206 --> 00:35:04,810
A consensus was reached
760
00:35:04,874 --> 00:35:08,118
that homosexuality didn't
meet the criteria for
a mental disease.
761
00:35:08,179 --> 00:35:12,025
Well, the fact is, it was
a social policy decision,
wasn't it, Doctor?
762
00:35:12,083 --> 00:35:14,996
The decision
wasn't based on
any research at all.
763
00:35:15,853 --> 00:35:19,267
Now, what about racism?
What's the research
being done there?
764
00:35:19,324 --> 00:35:21,395
I'm not aware of
any research being done.
765
00:35:21,460 --> 00:35:24,407
Again, because
the psychiatric community
766
00:35:24,463 --> 00:35:27,172
continually rejects
proposals to study
the issue.
767
00:35:28,201 --> 00:35:31,876
Which means that any lack
of inclusion of racism
768
00:35:31,938 --> 00:35:34,418
as a mental illness
in this book,
769
00:35:34,707 --> 00:35:36,744
has very little
to do with science
770
00:35:36,809 --> 00:35:39,848
and almost everything
to do with politics.
771
00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:48,662
They say I'm sick.
I don't know.
772
00:35:48,723 --> 00:35:51,260
All I can tell you
is that I feel pretty
good about what I did.
773
00:35:51,493 --> 00:35:54,736
About killing Mr. Reddick?
That's right.
774
00:35:54,796 --> 00:35:57,902
Social courtesies mean
nothing to these people.
775
00:35:57,966 --> 00:35:59,537
I mean, you ever
try to see a movie
776
00:35:59,602 --> 00:36:01,104
with black people
in the audience?
777
00:36:01,170 --> 00:36:02,774
You can't hear a thing.
778
00:36:03,539 --> 00:36:06,986
I mean,
the sign's up there,
"Please, no talking."
779
00:36:07,043 --> 00:36:08,818
But do they listen?
780
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,450
When this guy jumped
in front of me like that,
781
00:36:11,515 --> 00:36:14,155
like he thought he was
better than me,
that was it.
782
00:36:15,085 --> 00:36:16,530
The line was drawn.
783
00:36:17,187 --> 00:36:19,133
So what was going
through your mind?
784
00:36:19,189 --> 00:36:21,534
Here he was,
going wherever he wanted,
785
00:36:22,093 --> 00:36:24,300
doing whatever
he wanted and me...
786
00:36:25,797 --> 00:36:28,573
I mean,
they can decide they
don't want to work with me,
787
00:36:28,633 --> 00:36:31,478
but I can't say
I don't want to
live with them?
788
00:36:32,671 --> 00:36:35,777
I lost my job
because of these people.
789
00:36:35,841 --> 00:36:37,980
The bank is foreclosing
on my home.
790
00:36:38,043 --> 00:36:40,546
I was not about
to lose that cab.
791
00:36:49,222 --> 00:36:53,467
You feel justified
taking Mr. Reddick's life
because he took your cab?
792
00:36:53,527 --> 00:36:54,904
That's right.
793
00:36:58,499 --> 00:37:00,570
Then why didn't you tell
your friend what you'd done?
794
00:37:01,035 --> 00:37:03,016
Why didn't you
tell the police?
795
00:37:03,071 --> 00:37:04,516
They never asked.
796
00:37:04,573 --> 00:37:06,211
Because you requested
a lawyer.
797
00:37:07,409 --> 00:37:09,320
Because from
the very start,
798
00:37:09,378 --> 00:37:12,222
you were
looking for a way out,
weren't you, Mr. Burrows?
799
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,693
Because you didn't want
to pay for what you'd done.
800
00:37:14,751 --> 00:37:16,059
Not true.
801
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:21,493
But you made
Mr. Reddick pay.
Pay with his life.
802
00:37:23,927 --> 00:37:27,033
And then you dragged
his body down those steps
803
00:37:27,097 --> 00:37:28,599
to hide your crime.
804
00:37:29,233 --> 00:37:30,507
I dragged his body
down there
805
00:37:30,567 --> 00:37:33,241
because that's where
the rest of the garbage was.
806
00:37:37,275 --> 00:37:40,620
Not all the garbage,
Mr. Burrows,
not all the garbage.
807
00:37:40,678 --> 00:37:42,555
ARCHER: Objection.
JUDGE: Sustained.
808
00:37:52,525 --> 00:37:55,301
Do you think that
African-Americans
pose a threat?
809
00:37:56,229 --> 00:37:57,936
I know they do.
810
00:37:57,998 --> 00:38:00,638
But you've come
into contact with
other black people
811
00:38:00,701 --> 00:38:02,078
before Mr. Reddick.
812
00:38:02,135 --> 00:38:03,614
You never killed them.
813
00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:10,048
What about this juror?
814
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,422
She's been here
for the entire trial,
815
00:38:15,483 --> 00:38:18,192
and yet you don't seem
to have had a problem.
816
00:38:18,253 --> 00:38:20,324
That's a very
sensible attitude
817
00:38:20,389 --> 00:38:23,802
for a man in
your position to take,
isn't it, Mr. Burrows?
818
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,741
Because she's helping to
decide your fate.
819
00:38:31,101 --> 00:38:33,081
So are you insane,
Mr. Burrows?
820
00:38:34,838 --> 00:38:38,183
Or are you just a man
who knows how to keep
his mouth shut
821
00:38:38,241 --> 00:38:40,745
when he's supposed to
and how to lose his mind
822
00:38:40,811 --> 00:38:42,848
when his lawyer
tells him to?
823
00:38:53,492 --> 00:38:57,440
Is there anyone here who heard
what Ray Burrows said in
this courtroom
824
00:38:57,496 --> 00:39:00,273
who doesn't believe
that he is sick?
825
00:39:00,333 --> 00:39:03,246
Who doesn't
find his hatred of
other human beings,
826
00:39:03,569 --> 00:39:08,075
solely based on the
color of their skin,
so twisted,
827
00:39:08,741 --> 00:39:12,189
so abnormal that
you wouldn't be able
to find mental illness?
828
00:39:12,813 --> 00:39:16,317
My client belongs in
a psychiatric institution,
not a prison.
829
00:39:16,583 --> 00:39:18,324
You know that,
you know that.
830
00:39:18,952 --> 00:39:20,863
And yet,
in a few moments,
831
00:39:20,921 --> 00:39:23,903
the D.A. is
going to ask you to
forget what you know.
832
00:39:24,492 --> 00:39:25,903
Because as a prosecutor,
833
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,373
he is more interested
in punishing Ray Burrows
834
00:39:29,631 --> 00:39:32,670
than he is in
preventing more people
from becoming like him.
835
00:39:33,702 --> 00:39:35,181
Spare the rod,
spoil the racist.
836
00:39:35,237 --> 00:39:37,114
That's how
his argument goes.
837
00:39:37,172 --> 00:39:39,948
But unless
we recognize racism
838
00:39:40,009 --> 00:39:42,957
as the delusional
mental disorder
that it is,
839
00:39:43,313 --> 00:39:46,726
people like my client,
they're not going to get
the treatment they need.
840
00:39:46,783 --> 00:39:50,595
Which in the final analysis
is what this case boils
down to.
841
00:39:50,987 --> 00:39:52,432
Whether as a society,
842
00:39:53,023 --> 00:39:55,504
we stand
a better chance
of preventing racism
843
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,700
by punishing someone
who commits a racist act
844
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,014
or treating them
before they can.
845
00:40:17,884 --> 00:40:19,158
I'm sorry.
846
00:40:19,218 --> 00:40:22,665
This defense
would be laughable if
it weren't so dangerous.
847
00:40:24,057 --> 00:40:26,334
We live in a world
where people commit
848
00:40:26,393 --> 00:40:29,897
unspeakable violent acts
against other people.
849
00:40:31,098 --> 00:40:36,139
Terrorists, racists,
anyone who kills
out of hate.
850
00:40:38,406 --> 00:40:40,579
Do we hold them accountable,
851
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:44,923
or do we excuse their acts
and sit them down for a chat
852
00:40:45,447 --> 00:40:47,758
to tell them that it's wrong?
853
00:40:48,618 --> 00:40:51,622
In the world
the defense would create,
854
00:40:51,687 --> 00:40:54,600
murderers would
never be held responsible.
855
00:40:55,124 --> 00:40:58,402
In that world,
right and wrong
would lose all meaning.
856
00:40:59,229 --> 00:41:00,765
Killers would
become victims.
857
00:41:01,832 --> 00:41:05,245
The only one
who would benefit
from the defendant
858
00:41:05,302 --> 00:41:08,682
being found mentally ill
is the defendant.
859
00:41:10,274 --> 00:41:12,220
Not society.
860
00:41:12,276 --> 00:41:13,983
Certainly not the victim.
861
00:41:16,948 --> 00:41:20,158
Not Thomas Reddick
or his family,
862
00:41:21,787 --> 00:41:24,267
or anyone else
with his skin color.
863
00:41:25,491 --> 00:41:30,032
To excuse Ray Burrows
because of his prejudice
864
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:32,100
only promotes racism.
865
00:41:34,534 --> 00:41:36,912
What happened
to Thomas Reddick
866
00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:39,143
is a crime of hate.
867
00:41:42,510 --> 00:41:46,822
To call it anything else
is to deny justice.
868
00:41:59,161 --> 00:42:00,799
Madame Foreman,
869
00:42:01,631 --> 00:42:03,235
has the jury
reached its verdict?
870
00:42:03,666 --> 00:42:04,974
We have, Your Honor.
871
00:42:05,034 --> 00:42:06,877
Will the defendant
please rise?
872
00:42:10,873 --> 00:42:12,444
What is your verdict?
873
00:42:12,509 --> 00:42:16,047
On the charge of
Murder in the Second Degree
as a Hate Crime,
874
00:42:16,113 --> 00:42:17,854
we find
the defendant guilty.
875
00:42:32,430 --> 00:42:34,638
I wonder
if Burrows will still
have a problem with minorities
876
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:36,737
once he gets to prison
and finds out he is one.
877
00:42:36,802 --> 00:42:38,008
Check back with him
in 40 years.
878
00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:40,710
By then,
he might be ready
for an insanity defense.
879
00:42:40,773 --> 00:42:42,912
To kill out of hate, then
be exempt from punishment,
880
00:42:42,975 --> 00:42:44,751
that'd be
the real insanity.