1 00:00:06,228 --> 00:00:07,969 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:08,029 --> 00:00:11,944 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:12,001 --> 00:00:13,810 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:13,870 --> 00:00:16,646 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:16,706 --> 00:00:18,208 These are their stories. 6 00:00:19,876 --> 00:00:21,378 You set the alarm? 7 00:00:21,444 --> 00:00:22,582 Every night. 8 00:00:22,645 --> 00:00:23,715 Doesn't hurt to ask. 9 00:00:23,779 --> 00:00:24,985 Do I ever forget? 10 00:00:25,047 --> 00:00:26,355 Twice. Twice you forgot. 11 00:00:26,415 --> 00:00:29,555 Oh, twice in 15 years, and you never let me forget it. 12 00:00:29,619 --> 00:00:31,257 Hey! Maniac! 13 00:00:31,522 --> 00:00:33,001 (GLASS SHATTERING) 14 00:00:34,725 --> 00:00:36,636 You got your cell phone? Call 911. 15 00:00:37,027 --> 00:00:39,507 WOMAN: Oh, my God, that new building! 16 00:00:41,198 --> 00:00:43,269 FIREMAN: Fire started near the elevator, spread down the hall. 17 00:00:43,333 --> 00:00:44,971 Place went up like a Roman candle. 18 00:00:45,035 --> 00:00:47,106 Miss Crispy Crunch, we found in one of the back bedrooms. 19 00:00:47,171 --> 00:00:49,048 Crispy Crunch? You think that's funny? 20 00:00:49,106 --> 00:00:50,414 Excuse me, Mr. Sensitive. 21 00:00:50,474 --> 00:00:52,352 Male or female? Female. 22 00:00:52,410 --> 00:00:53,684 Any idea what was she doing in the building? 23 00:00:53,745 --> 00:00:55,691 That's not my area of expertise. 24 00:00:55,747 --> 00:00:57,954 Thought is, she probably got trapped back there somehow. 25 00:00:58,016 --> 00:00:59,086 Well, what about the windows? 26 00:00:59,150 --> 00:01:00,720 Burglar bars, no safety release. 27 00:01:00,785 --> 00:01:01,855 Isn't that illegal? 28 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,423 Yeah, so is arson. We'll write the contractor a citation. 29 00:01:04,522 --> 00:01:07,628 Yeah, but since the building was still under construction? 30 00:01:07,692 --> 00:01:08,966 Slap on the wrist. 31 00:01:09,260 --> 00:01:10,864 Well, it's good it didn't spread to any other buildings. 32 00:01:10,929 --> 00:01:12,033 My guys got here quick. 33 00:01:12,096 --> 00:01:13,474 Are you sure it's arson? 34 00:01:13,532 --> 00:01:14,977 Are you sure she's dead? 35 00:01:15,267 --> 00:01:17,144 Okay, thanks. We'll be in touch. 36 00:01:17,203 --> 00:01:20,184 Hey! The accelerant, what'd they use? 37 00:01:20,239 --> 00:01:23,220 My nose tells me good old-fashioned regular unleaded. 38 00:01:24,710 --> 00:01:27,520 Why spring for premium when regular'll do? 39 00:02:18,533 --> 00:02:20,342 Point of origin was the ground floor hallway. 40 00:02:20,402 --> 00:02:22,712 We found beads of an orange plastic material. 41 00:02:23,071 --> 00:02:24,379 What do you make of them? 42 00:02:24,439 --> 00:02:26,510 Probably the container that held the accelerant. 43 00:02:26,575 --> 00:02:28,282 ED: Any significance to where it started? 44 00:02:28,343 --> 00:02:30,823 Well, whoever set it wasn't an expert. 45 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:34,417 Simple splash down, but the spot was chosen carefully. 46 00:02:34,483 --> 00:02:35,826 ED: What do you mean, "chosen"? 47 00:02:35,884 --> 00:02:38,593 It's center of the building, setting the fire there 48 00:02:38,655 --> 00:02:41,761 is the best way to contain it, prevent collateral damage. 49 00:02:41,824 --> 00:02:43,735 Plus, it creates the fastest route of escape, 50 00:02:43,793 --> 00:02:45,739 easiest access for firefighters. 51 00:02:45,795 --> 00:02:46,933 Thoughtful arsonist. 52 00:02:46,996 --> 00:02:48,737 Still, not exactly covering your tracks. 53 00:02:48,798 --> 00:02:51,506 Well, he certainly wasn't trying to make it look like an accident. 54 00:02:51,567 --> 00:02:55,071 I'm thinking more like maximum damage in a minimum amount of time. 55 00:02:55,238 --> 00:02:56,376 Why did you say "he"? 56 00:02:56,439 --> 00:03:00,252 Statistically, arson is predominantly a crime committed by men. 57 00:03:00,944 --> 00:03:02,821 But in this case, I had another clue. 58 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,223 BRISCOE: What was that? 59 00:03:04,281 --> 00:03:07,160 The female body they found? She was naked. 60 00:03:08,352 --> 00:03:09,956 Naked? What are we talking about? 61 00:03:10,020 --> 00:03:12,466 Twenty-five to 30-year-old female, Caucasian. 62 00:03:12,523 --> 00:03:13,558 Rape-arson? 63 00:03:13,624 --> 00:03:16,366 M.E.'s preliminary lists cause of death as smoke inhalation. 64 00:03:16,427 --> 00:03:17,701 She was alive. 65 00:03:17,895 --> 00:03:20,934 Yeah, but Forensics says her earrings were across the room. 66 00:03:20,999 --> 00:03:23,479 ED: With whatever was left of her clothes. 67 00:03:23,535 --> 00:03:26,641 So, what, Jane Doe breaks into a half-finished apartment, 68 00:03:26,705 --> 00:03:29,811 takes off her earrings, folds her clothes, 69 00:03:29,874 --> 00:03:32,354 alone? That's a little odd. 70 00:03:32,944 --> 00:03:34,855 Any indication of violence? 71 00:03:34,913 --> 00:03:36,392 The body was too badly burned. 72 00:03:36,448 --> 00:03:38,450 Missing Persons still working on an ID. 73 00:03:38,516 --> 00:03:41,464 So if it wasn't rape-arson, it's murder-arson. 74 00:03:41,587 --> 00:03:43,498 Unless the fire bug didn't know she was there. 75 00:03:43,556 --> 00:03:46,002 Then it's just more than he bargained for. 76 00:03:47,793 --> 00:03:50,535 A list of people who had access to the site after hours. 77 00:03:50,596 --> 00:03:52,542 Any on-site guards? Not until midnight. 78 00:03:52,598 --> 00:03:53,906 What about cameras? 79 00:03:53,966 --> 00:03:55,206 Hadn't been activated yet. 80 00:03:55,267 --> 00:03:57,008 We're waiting for the tenants to move in. 81 00:03:57,069 --> 00:03:58,844 Come on, Lennie, a tape of people coming and going. 82 00:03:58,904 --> 00:04:00,111 You know that would've been too easy. 83 00:04:00,173 --> 00:04:01,914 I guess I'm getting lazy in my old age. 84 00:04:01,975 --> 00:04:03,977 So, when were the tenants scheduled to arrive? 85 00:04:04,044 --> 00:04:05,182 Not for a couple of months. 86 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:07,657 They still had some punch list items that needed attending to. 87 00:04:07,714 --> 00:04:09,125 ED: Like the burglar alarm? 88 00:04:09,182 --> 00:04:10,718 That was already installed. 89 00:04:11,451 --> 00:04:13,488 Well, who on this list might've known the code? 90 00:04:16,056 --> 00:04:17,626 Last but not least, right? 91 00:04:18,391 --> 00:04:20,064 I mean, you figure something like this happens, 92 00:04:20,127 --> 00:04:22,199 you're gonna question the master electrician sooner or later. 93 00:04:22,263 --> 00:04:23,674 So you did all the wiring? 94 00:04:23,731 --> 00:04:26,405 The way I hear it, wiring has nothing to do with this fire. 95 00:04:26,467 --> 00:04:27,844 BRISCOE: Oh, is that what you heard? 96 00:04:27,902 --> 00:04:32,180 What I hear is that somebody was playing with matches without any clothes on. 97 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,743 Any news about who she might have been playing with? 98 00:04:35,042 --> 00:04:36,817 No. ED: So, how'd she get in? 99 00:04:36,878 --> 00:04:40,257 I mean, the burglar alarms were installed properly, right? 100 00:04:40,314 --> 00:04:41,725 I tested 'em myself. 101 00:04:41,783 --> 00:04:43,695 When? A week, week and a half ago. 102 00:04:43,752 --> 00:04:44,822 ED: So what happened? 103 00:04:44,887 --> 00:04:46,457 Obviously, somebody turned 'em off. 104 00:04:46,522 --> 00:04:48,433 Yeah, that's exactly what we were thinking. 105 00:04:48,490 --> 00:04:49,730 Question is, "Who?" 106 00:04:49,792 --> 00:04:52,534 Yeah, you could see how your name might come to mind. 107 00:04:52,594 --> 00:04:55,404 You guys think I'd set a fire using gasoline? 108 00:04:55,464 --> 00:04:57,876 There's a lot of ways something like this can be done. 109 00:04:57,933 --> 00:04:59,640 So, you put some thought into this. 110 00:04:59,701 --> 00:05:02,375 Let's just say somebody setting a fire on that job, 111 00:05:02,438 --> 00:05:03,747 it wasn't a big surprise. 112 00:05:03,807 --> 00:05:05,218 BRISCOE: What does that mean? 113 00:05:05,275 --> 00:05:09,018 Landlord lightning, that's why God invented insurance companies. 114 00:05:09,078 --> 00:05:11,752 It strikes somewhere every five minutes. 115 00:05:11,815 --> 00:05:13,852 First time the paychecks were late, 116 00:05:13,917 --> 00:05:16,329 we made book on when it would hit. 117 00:05:19,389 --> 00:05:22,666 How many other developers build affordable housing for working people? 118 00:05:22,725 --> 00:05:24,205 I don't know, how many? 119 00:05:24,261 --> 00:05:26,298 One bedroom, Pullman kitchen, 120 00:05:26,363 --> 00:05:28,900 2,200 a month. You call that affordable? 121 00:05:28,966 --> 00:05:30,036 KELLNER: In this city. 122 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:31,704 It's a mugging with a cappuccino. 123 00:05:31,769 --> 00:05:33,510 Well, maybe in Nyack or wherever, 124 00:05:33,571 --> 00:05:36,518 but on the Upper West Side, 2,200's a pretty good deal. 125 00:05:36,574 --> 00:05:37,712 And I got bills to pay. 126 00:05:37,775 --> 00:05:39,277 Which, apparently, you don't always pay. 127 00:05:39,343 --> 00:05:41,050 Look, are you accusing me of something, Detective? 128 00:05:41,111 --> 00:05:43,648 Because if you are, I will phone my attorney... Easy. 129 00:05:43,714 --> 00:05:45,717 Just trying to get the lay of the land. 130 00:05:47,085 --> 00:05:48,723 Last month, we had a cash crunch. 131 00:05:49,087 --> 00:05:52,660 It was a temporary situation. Doesn't make me an arsonist. 132 00:05:53,091 --> 00:05:54,900 Every time I think of that girl... 133 00:05:55,260 --> 00:05:57,672 Look, I build, I don't burn. 134 00:05:58,296 --> 00:06:01,436 Especially not after what I went through getting approval for that place. 135 00:06:01,500 --> 00:06:02,604 What was the problem? 136 00:06:02,667 --> 00:06:05,273 Neighborhood didn't like me building over a community garden. 137 00:06:05,338 --> 00:06:08,478 Yeah, I read about that. Giuliani sold off city-owned lots. 138 00:06:08,541 --> 00:06:11,021 Yeah, that property paid no real estate taxes at all, 139 00:06:11,077 --> 00:06:12,579 but you know New Yorkers. 140 00:06:12,645 --> 00:06:14,886 Against it, no matter what it is. On principle. 141 00:06:14,947 --> 00:06:17,154 That's why you included the low-income housing, 142 00:06:17,216 --> 00:06:19,127 to get past the community board? 143 00:06:19,185 --> 00:06:20,255 It helped. 144 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:21,696 Couldn't have helped your profit margin much. 145 00:06:21,754 --> 00:06:23,631 Look, in the first place, 146 00:06:23,689 --> 00:06:27,331 I burn this building down, the approval process only gets more brutal the next time. 147 00:06:27,394 --> 00:06:28,896 BRISCOE: And in the second place? 148 00:06:29,229 --> 00:06:31,402 My insurance policy sucked. 149 00:06:33,066 --> 00:06:36,604 The builder came up short a couple of times, couldn't make the payroll. 150 00:06:36,670 --> 00:06:40,311 According to a broker, he's been trying to flip the property, unsuccessfully. 151 00:06:40,374 --> 00:06:42,547 Neighborhood activists gave him a hard time. 152 00:06:42,609 --> 00:06:45,021 Yeah, they wanted to raise carrots. He wanted to raise money. 153 00:06:45,078 --> 00:06:47,855 So, you think the long fuse reaches back to his office? 154 00:06:47,916 --> 00:06:49,657 The guy was just trying to make ends meet, 155 00:06:49,717 --> 00:06:51,253 but the insurance money wasn't there. 156 00:06:51,319 --> 00:06:53,925 And everyone who had access to the site after hours? 157 00:06:53,988 --> 00:06:55,126 Has an alibi. 158 00:06:55,189 --> 00:06:58,898 Well, the arson report says the service entrance and back entrance of the site 159 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,769 were locked and the alarms were set. 160 00:07:00,828 --> 00:07:04,241 Yeah, no sign of B and E through any of the windows or from the roof. 161 00:07:04,299 --> 00:07:06,040 So whoever set the torch... 162 00:07:06,100 --> 00:07:07,602 Probably snuck in during the day, 163 00:07:07,669 --> 00:07:10,048 hid out in the basement until closing time, 164 00:07:10,105 --> 00:07:12,642 lit up the joint, and then made it out through the lobby doors. 165 00:07:12,708 --> 00:07:14,187 Or beat the system. 166 00:07:15,044 --> 00:07:17,490 Hey, Missing Persons. Female Caucasian. 167 00:07:17,546 --> 00:07:20,083 Right age, right height. Parents are from out of town, 168 00:07:20,149 --> 00:07:21,890 they reported their daughter missing a few days ago. 169 00:07:21,951 --> 00:07:25,091 We're gonna have to do dental records or DNA for a positive ID. 170 00:07:25,154 --> 00:07:27,760 Well, make sure you've got that before you talk to them. 171 00:07:27,823 --> 00:07:30,031 The last thing I want is to tell the wrong people 172 00:07:30,093 --> 00:07:32,369 their daughter burned to death in a fire. 173 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,902 But she lived here alone? 174 00:07:38,969 --> 00:07:40,073 No one else on the lease. 175 00:07:40,136 --> 00:07:41,945 She have a boyfriend? I wouldn't know. 176 00:07:42,005 --> 00:07:43,416 It's not a doorman building. 177 00:07:43,473 --> 00:07:46,283 (ANSWERING MACHINE BEEPS) Hi. It's Mom. It's about 7:00. 178 00:07:46,343 --> 00:07:48,653 Dad and I will be up till 10:00 or so. Love you. 179 00:07:48,712 --> 00:07:51,489 Breakfast dishes in the sink. Oh, that's her. 180 00:07:51,549 --> 00:07:53,825 Hey, Ed, remember those earrings they found? 181 00:07:53,884 --> 00:07:56,558 (ANSWERING MACHINE BEEPS) Melanie. It's Mom. Are you there? 182 00:07:56,621 --> 00:07:58,965 I'm home. Call us whenever. 183 00:07:59,690 --> 00:08:01,169 Bed's made. No sign of struggle. 184 00:08:01,225 --> 00:08:04,399 (ANSWERING MACHINE BEEPS) Melanie, please, call me as soon as you get this. 185 00:08:04,462 --> 00:08:07,909 I tried you at the school, but none of the other teachers had seen you. 186 00:08:07,965 --> 00:08:10,206 Dad and I are very worried, honey. 187 00:08:12,771 --> 00:08:15,718 It wasn't like Melanie to just not show up. 188 00:08:16,008 --> 00:08:17,954 She's a really dedicated teacher. 189 00:08:18,010 --> 00:08:19,489 How long have you known her? 190 00:08:19,544 --> 00:08:21,956 About two years. Our classrooms are next to each other. 191 00:08:22,014 --> 00:08:23,891 Is there any place she might go? 192 00:08:23,949 --> 00:08:25,826 Somebody she might be staying with? 193 00:08:25,884 --> 00:08:27,329 You mean, is she with someone? 194 00:08:27,386 --> 00:08:29,332 I don't think so. Not seriously. 195 00:08:29,388 --> 00:08:30,628 What about casually? 196 00:08:31,023 --> 00:08:32,799 Melanie's not like that. 197 00:08:33,126 --> 00:08:35,197 There was this one guy she had crush on. 198 00:08:35,261 --> 00:08:37,263 He used to come by sometimes after work. 199 00:08:37,330 --> 00:08:39,901 I don't think she really wanted to advertise it, though. 200 00:08:39,966 --> 00:08:41,411 BRISCOE: Why's that? 201 00:08:41,467 --> 00:08:44,346 He's a student's father. A boy in the fifth grade, I think. 202 00:08:44,404 --> 00:08:45,815 You know his name? 203 00:08:46,406 --> 00:08:48,147 His first name's Eric. 204 00:08:48,541 --> 00:08:51,283 I met him once. You could probably get the last name in the office. 205 00:08:51,344 --> 00:08:53,188 How often did this Eric come around? 206 00:08:53,247 --> 00:08:55,158 Every couple of weeks, I guess. 207 00:08:55,215 --> 00:08:56,888 BRISCOE: When's the last time you saw him? 208 00:08:56,950 --> 00:08:59,863 Actually, the day she disappeared. About 5:00. 209 00:09:01,221 --> 00:09:02,632 Thank you. 210 00:09:07,227 --> 00:09:09,468 Careful. That's a hand-inked reproduction. 211 00:09:09,530 --> 00:09:12,807 First issue. I got it off eBay. How it all started. 212 00:09:12,866 --> 00:09:14,073 How what all started? 213 00:09:14,135 --> 00:09:16,615 X-Men. Hmm, you never read these. 214 00:09:16,671 --> 00:09:19,277 Afraid I'm gonna have to sell this to put my kid through college one day. 215 00:09:19,340 --> 00:09:22,947 Uh, can we get back to talking about Melanie Fried, Mr. Shollar? 216 00:09:23,011 --> 00:09:25,321 Uh, yeah, sure. BRISCOE: So, you did know her? 217 00:09:25,847 --> 00:09:27,849 Yeah. Just to say hi. 218 00:09:27,916 --> 00:09:29,361 My kid goes to PS260, 219 00:09:29,417 --> 00:09:31,590 so I'd see her at drop-off sometimes, you know. Stuff like that. 220 00:09:31,653 --> 00:09:32,996 What about after school? 221 00:09:33,054 --> 00:09:34,363 After school? Yeah. 222 00:09:34,423 --> 00:09:36,334 You know, say around 5:00. 223 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,997 I don't know. I'm usually working around 5:00. 224 00:09:40,129 --> 00:09:42,336 Can I get either of you some coffee? Tea, maybe? 225 00:09:42,398 --> 00:09:44,036 No, thanks, we're fine. 226 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:46,603 Uh, Mr. Shollar, what kind of work do you do? 227 00:09:46,669 --> 00:09:49,775 I do construction. Dry walling, plastering. 228 00:09:49,839 --> 00:09:51,978 You ever do any work for Kellner Construction? 229 00:09:52,041 --> 00:09:54,578 Eric just finished a job for Kellner not two weeks ago. 230 00:09:54,810 --> 00:09:56,154 Is that right? 231 00:09:56,379 --> 00:09:57,483 Yeah. 232 00:09:57,547 --> 00:09:59,720 You didn't happen to work on the building that burned down, did you? 233 00:09:59,783 --> 00:10:01,524 MRS. SHOLLAR: As a matter of fact, he did. 234 00:10:04,621 --> 00:10:06,396 Is that what this is all about? 235 00:10:07,224 --> 00:10:10,865 Mr. Shollar, maybe it'd be better if we talked to you downtown. 236 00:10:10,927 --> 00:10:13,567 You know, we can show you some pictures, maybe jog your memory. 237 00:10:13,630 --> 00:10:14,836 Yeah, maybe that would be better. 238 00:10:14,898 --> 00:10:16,776 Jog his memory about who? 239 00:10:17,101 --> 00:10:19,980 A woman died in the fire. We're just trying to get an ID. 240 00:10:20,037 --> 00:10:21,482 ERIC: Yeah, I'm just gonna take a look. 241 00:10:21,672 --> 00:10:23,083 Probably never even seen her before. 242 00:10:23,141 --> 00:10:25,519 ED: We'll have him back home in a couple of hours. 243 00:10:25,576 --> 00:10:27,214 Keep him as long as you like. 244 00:10:33,584 --> 00:10:37,328 One of the teachers in Melanie's school saw you pick her up that day. 245 00:10:37,389 --> 00:10:40,233 And Kellner confirmed that they gave you a key to the place. 246 00:10:40,292 --> 00:10:42,795 A key you never returned, Eric. 247 00:10:42,861 --> 00:10:45,034 You sure you didn't take her to the site that night, Eric, 248 00:10:45,097 --> 00:10:46,440 maybe show her some of your handiwork? 249 00:10:46,498 --> 00:10:48,341 How good you are with spackle? 250 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,380 Come on, man. We got a witness who saw 251 00:10:50,435 --> 00:10:53,678 somebody fitting your description running from the building. 252 00:10:55,307 --> 00:10:58,551 Her parents need to know if it's their daughter for sure. 253 00:10:59,045 --> 00:11:00,490 Look, I don't want to screw up my marriage. 254 00:11:00,547 --> 00:11:01,855 If my wife finds out that I... 255 00:11:01,915 --> 00:11:04,828 What? That you slept with her, or that you killed her? 256 00:11:04,884 --> 00:11:06,022 All I did was take her there. 257 00:11:06,085 --> 00:11:07,564 ED: And what happened? 258 00:11:08,321 --> 00:11:10,824 We would flirt at the school. 259 00:11:11,524 --> 00:11:13,470 I'd see her in the morning sometimes when I dropped my kid off. 260 00:11:13,526 --> 00:11:14,903 BRISCOE: And what about that day? 261 00:11:15,361 --> 00:11:16,806 I saw her that morning. 262 00:11:17,096 --> 00:11:19,703 She mentioned before how she was thinking about getting a bigger place. 263 00:11:19,767 --> 00:11:23,112 I told her about the place I'm working at and offered to show her around. 264 00:11:24,038 --> 00:11:26,746 Anyway, we're alone, one thing leads to the next, 265 00:11:26,807 --> 00:11:28,081 and pretty soon I got her clothes off. 266 00:11:28,142 --> 00:11:29,917 Wait. What part of the building was this? 267 00:11:29,977 --> 00:11:31,752 Uh, one of the apartments. 268 00:11:32,012 --> 00:11:34,117 They had just put the carpet down. 269 00:11:34,181 --> 00:11:36,684 Anyway, that's when I realized I didn't have any condoms, 270 00:11:36,750 --> 00:11:38,525 so I ran to the store to get some. 271 00:11:38,919 --> 00:11:40,991 Safe sex, very responsible. 272 00:11:41,056 --> 00:11:43,764 Look, I wasn't gone 10 minutes. I come back, the building's on fire. 273 00:11:43,825 --> 00:11:45,168 So you ran away? 274 00:11:45,227 --> 00:11:47,673 I couldn't get back in. The fire was in the hallway. 275 00:11:47,729 --> 00:11:48,969 I tried to call 911. 276 00:11:49,030 --> 00:11:51,101 What do you mean, you tried to call 911? 277 00:11:51,166 --> 00:11:52,770 At the pay phone on the corner. 278 00:11:53,235 --> 00:11:55,442 There was a girl on the phone. She said she already called. 279 00:11:55,503 --> 00:11:57,244 What did this girl look like? 280 00:11:58,139 --> 00:12:01,553 Uh, blonde, ponytail, blue ski hat, jeans. 281 00:12:02,411 --> 00:12:03,890 Anything else? 282 00:12:04,647 --> 00:12:06,217 Height, weight, age? 283 00:12:06,282 --> 00:12:07,659 Would you recognize her if you saw her again? 284 00:12:07,717 --> 00:12:08,855 I might. I don't know. 285 00:12:08,918 --> 00:12:11,558 But you didn't stick around to see how Melanie was. 286 00:12:13,789 --> 00:12:15,894 I got nervous when I heard the sirens. 287 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:17,629 I figured she'd be okay. 288 00:12:17,693 --> 00:12:19,195 You figured wrong. 289 00:12:22,065 --> 00:12:23,169 You gonna tell my wife? 290 00:12:23,233 --> 00:12:25,941 Oh, trust me, pal. She already knows. 291 00:12:28,972 --> 00:12:30,974 The drugstore manager ID'd Shollar. 292 00:12:31,041 --> 00:12:33,112 Said he ran in and bought a pack of condoms. 293 00:12:33,176 --> 00:12:35,178 Like he had a hot date. His words. 294 00:12:35,245 --> 00:12:36,918 They see anyone at the pay phone? 295 00:12:36,980 --> 00:12:39,688 Not a soul. No Shollar, no ponytail. 296 00:12:39,750 --> 00:12:41,752 So, we can't confirm Shollar's story. 297 00:12:41,819 --> 00:12:44,959 That he wanted to call 911? Maybe he wanted to. 298 00:12:45,023 --> 00:12:46,798 But according to the IUDs, nobody did. 299 00:12:46,858 --> 00:12:48,166 But at about the same time, 300 00:12:48,226 --> 00:12:51,264 there was a three-minute call from that phone to a number in Inwood. 301 00:12:51,329 --> 00:12:53,240 Yeah, a Mr. Kent Quigley. 302 00:12:53,565 --> 00:12:55,636 All right. You know the drill. Talk to this Quigley 303 00:12:55,700 --> 00:12:57,543 see if we can't find the girl. 304 00:12:57,602 --> 00:13:01,072 Maybe Shollar'll get lucky and get a little backup for his story, 305 00:13:01,139 --> 00:13:04,121 or maybe we'll get a little lucky and come up with a material witness 306 00:13:04,176 --> 00:13:06,622 to testify against this son of a bitch. 307 00:13:11,216 --> 00:13:13,162 Last Monday? A phone call? 308 00:13:13,218 --> 00:13:14,856 Yeah, around 8:00 p.m. 309 00:13:15,154 --> 00:13:17,657 I don't really remember. I get a lot of phone calls. 310 00:13:17,723 --> 00:13:19,066 Do you remember all the phone calls you get? 311 00:13:19,124 --> 00:13:20,501 ED: It was from a pay phone. 312 00:13:20,893 --> 00:13:23,100 How would I know that? You got caller ID. 313 00:13:23,930 --> 00:13:26,433 Monday night, I'm not even sure I was home from work by then. 314 00:13:26,499 --> 00:13:28,137 Look, you're a little slow on the pick-up, man. 315 00:13:28,201 --> 00:13:29,771 Somebody answered the phone. 316 00:13:30,203 --> 00:13:31,511 Maybe it was a wrong number. 317 00:13:31,905 --> 00:13:33,976 Do you remember getting a wrong number? 318 00:13:34,207 --> 00:13:35,743 Yeah. I think I do. 319 00:13:36,977 --> 00:13:41,289 Who was it from? Man, woman, young, old? 320 00:13:42,248 --> 00:13:45,093 A man. Old. Older. 321 00:13:46,253 --> 00:13:47,789 What'd you talk about? 322 00:13:47,855 --> 00:13:49,061 Nothing, you know. 323 00:13:49,123 --> 00:13:51,399 Nobody here by that name. He misdialed. 324 00:13:51,459 --> 00:13:54,338 Phone records indicate the call lasted almost three minutes. 325 00:13:54,395 --> 00:13:55,874 Maybe I didn't hang it up right or something. 326 00:13:55,930 --> 00:13:57,500 ED: You live alone? Yes. 327 00:13:58,165 --> 00:13:59,872 You having your period, Mr. Quigley? 328 00:13:59,934 --> 00:14:01,777 I told you all I know. 329 00:14:02,403 --> 00:14:04,542 I think you guys should just leave. 330 00:14:04,739 --> 00:14:07,721 Well, thanks, Mr. Quigley, you've really been a tremendous help. 331 00:14:09,478 --> 00:14:12,425 How many blonde ponytails call this guy, you think? 332 00:14:12,481 --> 00:14:14,188 Not so often you wouldn't remember. 333 00:14:14,816 --> 00:14:16,625 Didn't hang up right, my ass. 334 00:14:18,153 --> 00:14:19,496 Excuse me. 335 00:14:19,855 --> 00:14:21,061 Hey, how you doing, man? 336 00:14:21,123 --> 00:14:22,625 Do you know the tenant in 3B? 337 00:14:22,691 --> 00:14:26,469 Quigley? Yeah, sure. Real quiet guy. Why, what'd he do? 338 00:14:26,596 --> 00:14:28,940 Well, actually, we're trying to locate a young lady. 339 00:14:28,998 --> 00:14:30,807 Uh, blonde, ponytail... 340 00:14:30,867 --> 00:14:32,175 She might've had on a ski cap. 341 00:14:32,235 --> 00:14:35,944 Recently, right? I thought she might be family or something. 342 00:14:36,472 --> 00:14:37,951 ED: Why do you say that? She had a key. 343 00:14:38,174 --> 00:14:40,552 Came and went. Only here a few days through. 344 00:14:40,610 --> 00:14:43,090 Her and two other guys. Visiting, it seemed to me. 345 00:14:43,346 --> 00:14:45,053 What'd these two other guys look like? 346 00:14:45,114 --> 00:14:47,026 SUPER: You know, kids. Nothing special. 347 00:14:47,084 --> 00:14:48,620 When was the last time you saw 'em? 348 00:14:48,686 --> 00:14:50,495 Maybe a day or so ago. 349 00:14:50,554 --> 00:14:52,500 They, uh, left real early in the morning. 350 00:14:52,556 --> 00:14:54,229 They had backpacks and such. 351 00:14:54,458 --> 00:14:56,096 Hey, do you know where Quigley works? 352 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,333 Food co-op on 116th Street. 353 00:14:59,096 --> 00:15:00,700 It's always the quiet guys, huh? 354 00:15:02,066 --> 00:15:04,273 Monday? Kent was here all day. 355 00:15:04,334 --> 00:15:05,506 What time did he leave? 356 00:15:05,569 --> 00:15:07,810 Around 6:30. We walked out together. 357 00:15:07,872 --> 00:15:09,283 That leaves enough time. 358 00:15:09,340 --> 00:15:10,648 Enough time for what? 359 00:15:11,042 --> 00:15:14,615 Did you ever see him with a blonde, ponytail, in her 20s? 360 00:15:15,213 --> 00:15:16,317 Kent? 361 00:15:16,448 --> 00:15:18,121 Why, Quigley doesn't date women? 362 00:15:18,183 --> 00:15:19,924 Kent doesn't date, period. 363 00:15:19,984 --> 00:15:21,657 Hey, you ever see Kent with a date? 364 00:15:22,153 --> 00:15:23,359 There's a concept. 365 00:15:23,421 --> 00:15:25,025 Kent's too wrapped up in his work. 366 00:15:25,356 --> 00:15:27,131 What? Here? Bagging barley? 367 00:15:27,192 --> 00:15:28,296 His causes. 368 00:15:28,359 --> 00:15:30,237 What causes would these be? 369 00:15:30,296 --> 00:15:32,902 Environment. Kent's pretty intense. 370 00:15:32,965 --> 00:15:35,138 Wait. What about that woman last week? 371 00:15:35,201 --> 00:15:37,977 They said a date. She came here with two other guys. 372 00:15:38,037 --> 00:15:39,175 What woman is this? 373 00:15:39,238 --> 00:15:41,741 Oh, they stopped by, I don't know, around 3:00, 4:00 in the afternoon, 374 00:15:41,807 --> 00:15:44,185 looking for Kent. But that was Thursday. 375 00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:45,846 BRISCOE: Friends of his? 376 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:47,583 Actually, now that you mention it, 377 00:15:47,646 --> 00:15:49,523 it didn't seem like they even really knew each other. 378 00:15:49,649 --> 00:15:50,992 That's why I didn't think of it right off. 379 00:15:52,319 --> 00:15:55,994 Quigley, Kent. Date of birth 3-21-76. 380 00:15:56,056 --> 00:15:58,229 Cohoes, New York. It's up near Albany. 381 00:15:58,291 --> 00:16:00,362 Let me guess. Some penny-ante priors. 382 00:16:00,427 --> 00:16:02,907 Two speeding tickets, jaywalking, 383 00:16:02,963 --> 00:16:06,035 and throwing paint on some rich lady's fur in Chappaqua. 384 00:16:06,099 --> 00:16:08,841 Close. One speeding ticket, Columbia county. 385 00:16:08,902 --> 00:16:11,315 Columbia county, everybody gets speeding tickets. 386 00:16:11,439 --> 00:16:13,680 How else do they pay for the roads to get plowed in the winter? 387 00:16:14,175 --> 00:16:17,156 And a disorderly beef a year ago at, uh, 388 00:16:17,211 --> 00:16:20,351 you're so good at guessing, Dionne Warwick, you tell me where. 389 00:16:20,414 --> 00:16:23,793 Community gardens protest against Kellner Real Estate. 390 00:16:23,851 --> 00:16:25,387 Credit cards off the subpoena, 391 00:16:25,453 --> 00:16:27,160 10 bucks at a convenience store, 392 00:16:27,221 --> 00:16:29,599 20 bucks for Chinese takeout, and ready for this? 393 00:16:29,657 --> 00:16:34,869 Day of the fire, 1:55 p.m., 12 bucks from a gas station in the Bronx. 394 00:16:35,030 --> 00:16:36,839 A, I thought he was at work all day, 395 00:16:36,899 --> 00:16:41,245 and B, I'll give you odds our Mr. Greenjeans doesn't even own a car. 396 00:16:45,007 --> 00:16:46,452 MANAGER: You said Monday afternoon? 397 00:16:46,508 --> 00:16:49,421 Yeah. Around 2:00. How often do you tape over these things? 398 00:16:49,478 --> 00:16:50,582 Every two weeks. 399 00:16:50,646 --> 00:16:51,716 We're supposed to hold them for a month, 400 00:16:51,780 --> 00:16:53,192 but I got better things to spend money on. 401 00:16:53,349 --> 00:16:57,126 Hey, credit authorization was for 1:55 p.m., so this should be it. 402 00:17:02,625 --> 00:17:04,298 Here's a guy that knows what he's looking for. 403 00:17:07,931 --> 00:17:09,274 You remember anything they said? 404 00:17:09,332 --> 00:17:10,538 Sorry. 405 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,511 How about if they had a girl with them? 406 00:17:12,569 --> 00:17:15,176 Five days ago? Couldn't tell you who was here five minutes ago. 407 00:17:15,472 --> 00:17:17,918 Lennie, you remember those orange plastic beads? 408 00:17:17,975 --> 00:17:19,613 Melt this down, I bet you get a match. 409 00:17:20,110 --> 00:17:22,454 Wait, there she is By the door. 410 00:17:23,180 --> 00:17:24,955 ED: Ski cap, ponytail. 411 00:17:26,083 --> 00:17:27,892 We get somebody at the food co-op to ID these jokers, 412 00:17:27,952 --> 00:17:29,226 we got enough for a warrant. 413 00:17:29,286 --> 00:17:30,788 We're gonna need this tape. 414 00:17:31,322 --> 00:17:33,359 I lost my credit card. Did you report it? 415 00:17:33,424 --> 00:17:34,699 I figured it would turn up. 416 00:17:34,759 --> 00:17:37,103 Why would I be buying gas? I don't even own a car. 417 00:17:37,162 --> 00:17:38,835 You know, that's exactly what we said. 418 00:17:38,897 --> 00:17:41,776 The gas station security camera taped two kids using your card. 419 00:17:41,833 --> 00:17:44,575 Then I suppose I'm not responsible for the charges, am I? 420 00:17:44,803 --> 00:17:49,218 Well, look at this. Hey, Lennie. Lost in plain sight. 421 00:17:49,841 --> 00:17:51,878 BRISCOE: "Greens builders square off. 422 00:17:52,611 --> 00:17:54,784 "West Side Garden no Eden. 423 00:17:55,848 --> 00:17:58,294 "Five arrested in garden protest." 424 00:17:58,818 --> 00:18:00,798 Now, this garden wouldn't happen to be the lot 425 00:18:00,853 --> 00:18:02,730 where they put up that building that was torched, would it? 426 00:18:02,788 --> 00:18:03,960 I wouldn't know anything about that. 427 00:18:04,023 --> 00:18:06,333 Do you always keep clippings of things you don't know anything about? 428 00:18:06,392 --> 00:18:07,462 And that lot wasn't empty. 429 00:18:07,526 --> 00:18:09,597 It was a community garden that had been lovingly maintained 430 00:18:09,662 --> 00:18:11,903 by the people of that neighborhood for over 20 years! 431 00:18:11,964 --> 00:18:13,170 ED: It was bought by Kellner Real Estate. 432 00:18:13,232 --> 00:18:15,679 It was public land, the city had no right to sell it. 433 00:18:16,169 --> 00:18:19,480 ED: Now, what would you be doing with a disassembled alarm system? 434 00:18:19,973 --> 00:18:21,919 You want to give me odds that it matches the system 435 00:18:21,975 --> 00:18:23,955 in that building you don't know anything about? 436 00:18:24,244 --> 00:18:26,520 You been doing a little homework on how to bypass alarms? 437 00:18:26,580 --> 00:18:27,718 You're under arrest, 438 00:18:27,781 --> 00:18:29,385 but I guess you wouldn't know anything about that either. 439 00:18:29,449 --> 00:18:31,122 We are losing our wetlands, our wilderness. 440 00:18:31,184 --> 00:18:32,686 Every day, we are paving over nature. 441 00:18:32,753 --> 00:18:34,061 Oh, you think Manhattan's a wasteland? 442 00:18:34,121 --> 00:18:35,759 Wait until you see Rikers Island. 443 00:18:39,093 --> 00:18:40,367 Three people, two male, one female, 444 00:18:40,428 --> 00:18:42,840 used Quigley's credit card at the gas station. 445 00:18:42,964 --> 00:18:45,137 We're sure it's the same girl from the pay phone? 446 00:18:45,233 --> 00:18:48,180 The victim's boyfriend positively ID'd her from the gas station video. 447 00:18:49,003 --> 00:18:50,277 What's their connection to Quigley? 448 00:18:50,338 --> 00:18:51,442 We don't know that yet. 449 00:18:51,506 --> 00:18:54,043 But a co-worker says that the three stopped by the food co-op last week, 450 00:18:54,108 --> 00:18:56,054 and the super confirms that they were staying with him. 451 00:18:56,177 --> 00:18:58,124 Which probably means they're from out of town. 452 00:18:58,180 --> 00:19:00,217 How close are we to identifying them? 453 00:19:00,282 --> 00:19:01,852 Quigley hasn't given up any names. 454 00:19:02,384 --> 00:19:04,421 He's prepared to take the fall for this alone? 455 00:19:04,486 --> 00:19:06,432 Well, the guy sees himself as some kind of martyr. 456 00:19:07,723 --> 00:19:10,363 Easy to do when you're not looking through the eyes of your victim. 457 00:19:11,293 --> 00:19:12,738 Are we checking the connection between 458 00:19:12,795 --> 00:19:15,207 the fire and the original protest at the building site? 459 00:19:15,397 --> 00:19:17,206 I'm going down to the community board today. 460 00:19:17,566 --> 00:19:20,309 When we do find them, arson, murder two. 461 00:19:24,174 --> 00:19:27,485 I'm not saying the mayor shouldn't have unloaded the community garden. 462 00:19:27,544 --> 00:19:30,286 The city sold 30, maybe 40 empty lots 463 00:19:30,347 --> 00:19:31,883 over a four-year period. 464 00:19:31,948 --> 00:19:33,450 Most of them abandoned. 465 00:19:33,883 --> 00:19:35,419 People objected, though. 466 00:19:35,485 --> 00:19:37,726 Tough call. A community garden, 467 00:19:37,787 --> 00:19:40,735 or another apartment building? Which would you rather have? 468 00:19:41,259 --> 00:19:43,671 Ah, God knows, the city can use the revenue. 469 00:19:43,928 --> 00:19:46,932 And no one's objecting to more rental units. 470 00:19:46,998 --> 00:19:49,410 Especially since the developer negotiated 471 00:19:49,467 --> 00:19:51,378 a set-aside for low-income families. 472 00:19:51,469 --> 00:19:53,415 Were there any hearings, any kind of forum? 473 00:19:53,704 --> 00:19:55,479 Where you can get a transcript? 474 00:19:55,539 --> 00:19:58,019 Find out who objected to the development? 475 00:19:58,409 --> 00:20:00,788 This isn't a First Amendment issue, it's a murder case. 476 00:20:03,215 --> 00:20:05,525 No. There was nothing official. 477 00:20:05,651 --> 00:20:07,653 Newspapers... I've gone through the press coverage. 478 00:20:08,587 --> 00:20:11,158 If I have to come back with a subpoena, I will, Ms. Malone. 479 00:20:14,126 --> 00:20:15,867 There was no transcript. 480 00:20:15,927 --> 00:20:17,907 But I saved the flyers. 481 00:20:19,097 --> 00:20:22,841 Just in case we ever have to reach out to some of the protest groups. 482 00:20:22,902 --> 00:20:25,280 Which we do, on a regular basis. 483 00:20:25,338 --> 00:20:27,944 Always something to get up in arms about, huh? 484 00:20:31,544 --> 00:20:33,956 Two dozen different flyers. Three dozen different groups. 485 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,760 Ah, the Left. Two people, three opinions. 486 00:20:36,849 --> 00:20:39,090 (CHUCKLES) Most of the groups were pretty ad-hoc. 487 00:20:39,218 --> 00:20:40,788 Phones have been disconnected. 488 00:20:40,853 --> 00:20:41,924 What about the websites? 489 00:20:41,989 --> 00:20:44,094 Two are still online, one's a local democratic club. 490 00:20:44,358 --> 00:20:46,531 Well, I've been burned by them, but arsonists? 491 00:20:46,994 --> 00:20:49,065 The other group calls itself "Coyote." 492 00:20:49,129 --> 00:20:51,302 Usual villains, NAFTA, the World Bank. 493 00:20:51,365 --> 00:20:53,140 NAFTA? How do you get from that 494 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,941 to burning down a building in Manhattan? 495 00:20:55,002 --> 00:20:56,379 "Save the community gardens. 496 00:20:56,437 --> 00:20:58,644 "Stop the rape of our environment." 497 00:20:58,706 --> 00:21:02,085 Well, I guess a garden is as close as we come to nature around here, huh? 498 00:21:02,209 --> 00:21:03,746 "Come up with your own plan." 499 00:21:04,345 --> 00:21:06,951 You know, I have a friend on a special task force at the Bureau, 500 00:21:07,015 --> 00:21:08,392 see what he can tell you about them. 501 00:21:10,952 --> 00:21:15,264 Coyote first surfaced in Seattle at these WTO protests. 502 00:21:15,323 --> 00:21:18,532 Until recently, they were pretty much a Pacific Northwest operation. 503 00:21:19,794 --> 00:21:21,137 Most of them look like kids. 504 00:21:21,262 --> 00:21:23,299 Yeah. We're not talking FBI's most wanted. 505 00:21:23,364 --> 00:21:26,938 Still, they have done a substantial amount of property damage. 506 00:21:27,503 --> 00:21:30,484 $14 million arson at a Utah ski resort. 507 00:21:31,006 --> 00:21:33,577 Two million dollars' worth at an Idaho lumber mill. 508 00:21:33,642 --> 00:21:37,681 So far, we've attributed over $50 million damage to them nationally. 509 00:21:37,747 --> 00:21:39,283 What's their record on violence? 510 00:21:39,682 --> 00:21:41,628 They've been very careful about that. 511 00:21:42,518 --> 00:21:45,659 You set fires, there's gonna be a fatality sooner or later. 512 00:21:46,590 --> 00:21:49,594 I'm surprised the FBI hasn't done more to prosecute them. 513 00:21:49,659 --> 00:21:51,036 You understand the people I work for, 514 00:21:51,094 --> 00:21:53,574 they're used to a certain leadership structure. 515 00:21:53,630 --> 00:21:55,166 FBI likes to see a group like this 516 00:21:55,232 --> 00:21:56,711 on a nice, little flow chart. 517 00:21:56,867 --> 00:21:58,346 That way, we line our ducks up. 518 00:21:58,401 --> 00:22:00,381 Only these people aren't organized that way. 519 00:22:00,537 --> 00:22:02,483 TROST: These people are not organized at all. 520 00:22:02,539 --> 00:22:06,181 Basically, these kids jump in a car, hop on a bus, a train, 521 00:22:06,244 --> 00:22:08,155 burn something down and leave. 522 00:22:08,212 --> 00:22:10,624 Says here they've been quick to claim responsibility. 523 00:22:10,915 --> 00:22:14,328 A lack of any statement would seem to be at odds with their MO. 524 00:22:14,385 --> 00:22:17,025 Well, maybe the girl's death explains why they haven't taken credit. 525 00:22:17,355 --> 00:22:20,234 Well, the profile's young, affluent. 526 00:22:20,291 --> 00:22:22,032 Dead girl could hurt recruitment. 527 00:22:22,527 --> 00:22:24,165 How do they claim credit? 528 00:22:24,228 --> 00:22:25,935 On a website. Run by who? 529 00:22:26,398 --> 00:22:28,742 An organic farmer in upstate New York. 530 00:22:30,636 --> 00:22:31,979 Paul Rochet. 531 00:22:33,105 --> 00:22:34,675 He's been subpoenaed before. 532 00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:37,880 Oh, we've dragged Mr. Rochet in front of a dozen Grand Juries. 533 00:22:38,343 --> 00:22:40,448 Claims he doesn't know anyone in the movement. 534 00:22:40,512 --> 00:22:42,822 Simply posts information on a website. 535 00:22:42,948 --> 00:22:44,621 And lets the Internet do the rest. 536 00:22:45,050 --> 00:22:46,688 TROST: Certainly provides distance. 537 00:22:46,785 --> 00:22:49,062 What about the faces from the gas station video? 538 00:22:49,122 --> 00:22:50,965 The local database came up empty. 539 00:22:51,024 --> 00:22:52,935 We're running them national as we speak. 540 00:22:54,127 --> 00:22:58,439 TECH: The photo recognition system's the same one used at airports and on the Chunnel. 541 00:22:58,498 --> 00:22:59,636 You know, between London and Paris. 542 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,402 And at the Superbowl. I read about it in Newsweek. 543 00:23:02,468 --> 00:23:03,640 What's your database? 544 00:23:03,703 --> 00:23:06,309 Right now, it's mostly criminal records and DMV. 545 00:23:06,372 --> 00:23:09,286 Eventually, we'll get the ATM cameras, department stores... 546 00:23:09,677 --> 00:23:12,089 You know how many hotels have surveillance? How many malls? 547 00:23:12,413 --> 00:23:13,892 Makes me want to wear a mask. 548 00:23:13,948 --> 00:23:14,949 Wouldn't do any good. 549 00:23:15,015 --> 00:23:18,019 Infrared, thermo... Masks, clothes, we see right through. 550 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:21,056 You'd think more people would object, but nobody bats an eye. 551 00:23:22,156 --> 00:23:25,160 Here we go. See? She's in the databank. 552 00:23:26,026 --> 00:23:28,233 Just like the rest of America pretty soon. 553 00:23:31,533 --> 00:23:33,945 Emily Hoyt, 18. Pullman, Washington. 554 00:23:34,002 --> 00:23:35,845 Freshman at Washington State University. 555 00:23:35,937 --> 00:23:37,177 Not anymore. She dropped out. 556 00:23:37,239 --> 00:23:39,583 Arrested protesting the WTO in Seattle. 557 00:23:39,641 --> 00:23:40,711 Do we know where she is? 558 00:23:40,775 --> 00:23:41,879 I spoke with her parents in Washington. 559 00:23:41,943 --> 00:23:44,082 They say she was traveling to New York with friends. 560 00:23:44,145 --> 00:23:45,453 Did she tell them with who? 561 00:23:45,513 --> 00:23:48,960 She didn't give any names Just a number where she could be reached. 562 00:23:50,086 --> 00:23:51,656 I never heard of any Emily Hoyt. 563 00:23:52,388 --> 00:23:55,767 She gave her parents your phone number, Mr. Quigley. 564 00:23:55,825 --> 00:23:57,236 Her father is very sick. 565 00:23:57,293 --> 00:23:59,204 She wanted to keep in touch. They haven't heard from her. 566 00:23:59,328 --> 00:24:01,672 These are serious charges. 567 00:24:01,731 --> 00:24:03,608 Arson, second-degree murder. 568 00:24:03,666 --> 00:24:05,839 Fifteen years, minimum. 15 years? 569 00:24:06,469 --> 00:24:10,007 If you won't help us find the people who set this fire, 570 00:24:10,072 --> 00:24:12,019 I'll have no choice but to hold you responsible. 571 00:24:13,977 --> 00:24:15,183 What are we talking about? 572 00:24:15,245 --> 00:24:18,818 If we make an arrest pursuant to your client's information, 573 00:24:18,916 --> 00:24:21,863 I'd be willing to reduce the top charge from murder two to man one. 574 00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:22,920 He'd serve five years. 575 00:24:23,553 --> 00:24:24,691 Five years? 576 00:24:24,755 --> 00:24:27,668 You entered a conspiracy, Mr. Quigley. 577 00:24:28,025 --> 00:24:30,733 A conspiracy that cost a young woman's life. 578 00:24:30,994 --> 00:24:32,338 We were just trying to make a statement. 579 00:24:34,465 --> 00:24:36,342 Nobody was supposed to get hurt. 580 00:24:36,567 --> 00:24:38,376 Yes or no, Mr. Geary? 581 00:24:54,753 --> 00:24:56,960 I met Emily online. 582 00:25:00,459 --> 00:25:06,273 We wrote back and forth about a lot of things. Mostly politics. 583 00:25:06,932 --> 00:25:08,809 Environmental justice, things like that. 584 00:25:08,968 --> 00:25:11,107 Did you ever mention the community garden protests? 585 00:25:11,336 --> 00:25:14,341 I grew vegetables in that garden. I had a real connection to it. 586 00:25:16,376 --> 00:25:19,380 I live in this city, and I wanted her to know how active I was. 587 00:25:19,446 --> 00:25:21,722 That I wasn't, you know, a dilettante. 588 00:25:21,781 --> 00:25:23,556 Who are the two people who came with her? 589 00:25:23,617 --> 00:25:25,654 They only used first names, 590 00:25:25,852 --> 00:25:27,854 Clark and Noah. 591 00:25:28,688 --> 00:25:31,328 They said it was better if I didn't know who they were. 592 00:25:31,391 --> 00:25:32,961 I agreed to give them a place to stay. 593 00:25:33,026 --> 00:25:36,099 I lent them a credit card. But that is all I did. 594 00:25:36,163 --> 00:25:38,165 You lent them a credit card to buy gasoline. 595 00:25:38,232 --> 00:25:40,041 I'd say you did plenty. 596 00:25:40,101 --> 00:25:41,910 Where are they, Mr. Quigley? 597 00:25:41,969 --> 00:25:45,314 I'm not sure. I'm telling you all I know. 598 00:25:48,309 --> 00:25:50,380 They were gonna stay somewhere else once the fire was set. 599 00:25:52,213 --> 00:25:55,093 Stick around a couple of days to put out some stuff on Coyote's website. 600 00:25:55,651 --> 00:25:56,652 How are they traveling? 601 00:25:58,286 --> 00:25:59,492 By bus. 602 00:25:59,921 --> 00:26:02,162 We downloaded e-mails from Quigley's computer. 603 00:26:02,290 --> 00:26:04,065 Yeah, we were able to locate a number of them 604 00:26:04,126 --> 00:26:05,799 through a variety of internet service providers. 605 00:26:05,861 --> 00:26:09,502 JACK: The e-mails were sent from dial-up numbers in Washington state. 606 00:26:10,298 --> 00:26:11,504 Emily Hoyt. 607 00:26:11,566 --> 00:26:14,012 And a week before the fire, there was another e-mail. 608 00:26:14,069 --> 00:26:16,482 This time from a motel in Dayton, Ohio. 609 00:26:17,473 --> 00:26:20,113 We have the motel's records? Yeah. 610 00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:22,248 Three people. Two men and a woman. 611 00:26:22,311 --> 00:26:24,587 They paid cash. Registered under assumed names. 612 00:26:24,647 --> 00:26:26,649 One of them made a collect call to Oregon. 613 00:26:26,716 --> 00:26:28,491 The Mohrs of Bend, Oregon. 614 00:26:28,551 --> 00:26:31,054 The Mohrs have one son, Clark, 19. Attends Washington State. 615 00:26:31,254 --> 00:26:32,255 JACK: Same as Hoyt. 616 00:26:32,455 --> 00:26:35,265 We have terrorists who are phoning their parents from the road? 617 00:26:35,892 --> 00:26:37,395 Generation next. 618 00:26:37,795 --> 00:26:40,207 So, do we know where Hoyt and Mohr are now? 619 00:26:40,297 --> 00:26:42,277 Well, Quigley doesn't think they've left the city yet. 620 00:26:42,332 --> 00:26:43,504 Thinks they're traveling by bus. 621 00:26:44,335 --> 00:26:46,110 Airlines require a photo ID. 622 00:26:46,170 --> 00:26:48,446 I put the Port Authority on full alert. 623 00:26:48,605 --> 00:26:50,346 And there is sort of a spokesman for them. 624 00:26:52,876 --> 00:26:53,877 LEWIN: Well, he's local. 625 00:26:53,944 --> 00:26:56,390 Mmm-hmm. He runs a farm in upstate New York. 626 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,154 Can we connect him to this fire? 627 00:26:58,216 --> 00:26:59,991 Not with anything that would hold up in court. 628 00:27:00,051 --> 00:27:02,053 Well, he sells produce to Quigley's food co-op. 629 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:03,121 And when I called the Mohrs, 630 00:27:03,188 --> 00:27:04,326 they said their son was coming east 631 00:27:04,389 --> 00:27:06,426 for a conference on the environment. 632 00:27:06,491 --> 00:27:08,334 The keynote speaker was Rochet. 633 00:27:08,660 --> 00:27:09,934 And the topic? 634 00:27:09,994 --> 00:27:12,304 The destruction of greenery in our cities. 635 00:27:13,531 --> 00:27:15,477 LEWIN: And where is Mr. Rochet now? 636 00:27:15,533 --> 00:27:17,513 He comes to the city every other Tuesday. 637 00:27:17,569 --> 00:27:18,640 Well, the next time he does, 638 00:27:18,704 --> 00:27:21,048 why don't we ask him over for a conversation, 639 00:27:21,106 --> 00:27:23,017 and let's see how he takes the heat. 640 00:27:24,176 --> 00:27:25,348 I'm not under arrest? 641 00:27:25,811 --> 00:27:27,415 JACK: What for? Just checking. 642 00:27:27,813 --> 00:27:31,158 Do you run a website for a group known as Coyote, Mr. Rochet? 643 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:33,924 To anticipate, yes, I run the Coyote website. 644 00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:35,966 Yes, Coyote, a very amorphous group 645 00:27:36,021 --> 00:27:38,331 has taken direct action to defend the environment. 646 00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:40,268 Yes, I support those actions. 647 00:27:40,327 --> 00:27:42,364 But, no, I do not instigate them, 648 00:27:42,429 --> 00:27:45,308 I do not incite them, I do not facilitate them in any way. 649 00:27:45,365 --> 00:27:48,175 I merely disseminate information and promote the free exchange 650 00:27:48,235 --> 00:27:51,114 of ideas, neither of which is illegal. 651 00:27:51,171 --> 00:27:53,481 I did some checking, Mr. Rochet. 652 00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:57,078 You post information about oil drilling in the Alaskan wilderness. 653 00:27:57,144 --> 00:27:59,818 Three weeks later, the drilling company's bulldozers 654 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,224 are destroyed by vandals. 655 00:28:01,282 --> 00:28:03,284 The same thing with the ski resort in Utah. 656 00:28:03,351 --> 00:28:05,661 I post the truth. I fail to see the harm in that. 657 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,791 This last speech you gave at a conference in New Paltz, 658 00:28:07,855 --> 00:28:09,562 you targeted community gardens. 659 00:28:10,491 --> 00:28:11,765 Targeted? Uh-huh. 660 00:28:12,193 --> 00:28:16,801 You saying you don't intend these kids to take their lead from your information? 661 00:28:16,898 --> 00:28:19,401 I'll comment on just about anything but my intent. 662 00:28:19,467 --> 00:28:21,744 But I will say this, fires have been set 663 00:28:21,804 --> 00:28:24,216 and fires will continue to be set because it is the right thing 664 00:28:24,273 --> 00:28:25,274 that they be set. 665 00:28:27,743 --> 00:28:29,984 Emily Hoyt, Clark Mohr. 666 00:28:30,946 --> 00:28:32,550 Do you know them, Mr. Rochet? 667 00:28:32,614 --> 00:28:35,254 I make it a point not to familiarize myself with anyone. 668 00:28:35,517 --> 00:28:38,088 Well, you must have at least read about the woman killed in this fire. 669 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,590 If you're asking if I regret 670 00:28:39,655 --> 00:28:41,657 the loss of a life, I do. 671 00:28:42,725 --> 00:28:44,932 Just as I regret the loss of open space, 672 00:28:44,994 --> 00:28:46,905 and the degradation of urban life for the enrichment of 673 00:28:46,963 --> 00:28:48,840 the few at the expense of many. 674 00:28:48,998 --> 00:28:51,205 That the best you can do, Mr. Rochet? Rhetoric? 675 00:28:52,001 --> 00:28:55,414 Is that the best you can do, Mr. McCoy? Sanctimony? 676 00:28:58,174 --> 00:28:59,812 I'm free to go, right? 677 00:29:04,815 --> 00:29:07,227 I don't regret anything I've done, Mr. McCoy. 678 00:29:08,252 --> 00:29:10,562 I hope you never have cause to regret anything you do. 679 00:29:15,926 --> 00:29:18,133 Letting that guy walk out the door's a start. 680 00:29:18,228 --> 00:29:19,229 (PHONE RINGING) 681 00:29:20,965 --> 00:29:22,876 Yeah? When? 682 00:29:24,102 --> 00:29:25,103 Thank you. 683 00:29:25,337 --> 00:29:27,613 Emily Hoyt was just spotted at the Port Authority bus station. 684 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,116 Clerk says three individuals matching our descriptions 685 00:29:31,176 --> 00:29:32,780 just bought tickets for a bus to Chicago. 686 00:29:32,844 --> 00:29:35,154 Where? Platform 64. They're holding the bus. 687 00:29:38,616 --> 00:29:41,563 Hey, trail mix. Keep your hands where I can see 'em. 688 00:29:41,619 --> 00:29:42,927 Up against the bus. 689 00:29:45,291 --> 00:29:47,498 Now that's disappointing. Don't you know smoking's bad for you? 690 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,766 Come here. 691 00:29:52,665 --> 00:29:55,646 You know, other than some protests, disorderly conduct, 692 00:29:55,701 --> 00:29:58,477 all political stuff, they really don't have records. 693 00:29:58,537 --> 00:30:01,313 Which doesn't mean they haven't set other fires. 694 00:30:01,374 --> 00:30:03,581 Say we prosecute them for murder. 695 00:30:04,110 --> 00:30:06,682 You really think some other kid's gonna blow out his match 696 00:30:06,747 --> 00:30:08,283 because of what we did? 697 00:30:08,348 --> 00:30:11,192 Deterrence is one goal. Punishment's another. 698 00:30:11,251 --> 00:30:15,893 So you'd draw no distinction between arson for profit and arson for an ideal? 699 00:30:16,423 --> 00:30:19,597 I doubt Melanie Fried would, and the law clearly doesn't. 700 00:30:20,227 --> 00:30:22,138 Have you talked to any of them yet? 701 00:30:22,195 --> 00:30:23,868 They're being arraigned. 702 00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:27,140 Good. Maybe a night at Rikers will loosen their tongues. 703 00:30:27,201 --> 00:30:28,339 About Rochet? 704 00:30:28,403 --> 00:30:31,907 It's common sense. I mean, someone put Quigley in touch with those kids. 705 00:30:32,507 --> 00:30:34,783 If you're so hell bent on handing out punishment, 706 00:30:34,842 --> 00:30:37,448 let's mete it out to somebody old enough to appreciate it. 707 00:30:37,512 --> 00:30:39,788 If Rochet was involved, it was in cyberspace. 708 00:30:39,847 --> 00:30:41,326 Common sense doesn't apply there. 709 00:30:41,382 --> 00:30:43,589 The fire was started in his neighborhood, 710 00:30:43,651 --> 00:30:45,460 not clear across the country. 711 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,558 Maybe he wanted to do something more than type this time. 712 00:30:50,392 --> 00:30:54,363 I always tell my clients, "Beware D.A.'s bearing gifts. 713 00:30:54,430 --> 00:30:56,967 "They generally demand more than they offer." 714 00:30:57,032 --> 00:30:59,273 What I'm offering is a decade of their lives. 715 00:30:59,768 --> 00:31:01,645 Out of the goodness of your heart. 716 00:31:02,037 --> 00:31:04,574 My boss has no interest in punishing your clients 717 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,143 and letting others responsible for this fire go free. 718 00:31:07,209 --> 00:31:11,818 I suspect your primary interest is winning a high-profile media case. 719 00:31:11,881 --> 00:31:14,293 We're not the ones who've spent the last 30 years 720 00:31:14,351 --> 00:31:16,763 using radical causes to grandstand with the press. 721 00:31:16,820 --> 00:31:19,323 Well, my record speaks for itself. 722 00:31:19,556 --> 00:31:22,127 A record which includes defending cop killers. 723 00:31:22,192 --> 00:31:25,469 I love it when young D.A.'s claim the system's rigged. 724 00:31:25,528 --> 00:31:27,804 This isn't about ideology, counselor. 725 00:31:27,864 --> 00:31:30,141 This is about three young lives and what we, in this room, 726 00:31:30,201 --> 00:31:32,841 are going to do to see that they aren't wasted. 727 00:31:33,237 --> 00:31:34,910 What is it you want? 728 00:31:34,972 --> 00:31:37,714 Your clients attended a conference in New Paltz 729 00:31:38,542 --> 00:31:40,783 a couple of weeks before the fire was set. 730 00:31:40,845 --> 00:31:43,052 One of the speakers there was Paul Rochet. 731 00:31:43,814 --> 00:31:46,727 Rochet? Uh, what does he have to do with this? 732 00:31:47,151 --> 00:31:49,324 We know about the website, Mr. Stadler. 733 00:31:49,387 --> 00:31:50,560 And the speech. 734 00:31:50,622 --> 00:31:52,431 How he encouraged you to burn down that building. 735 00:31:52,491 --> 00:31:53,697 That's not what he said. 736 00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:56,332 I assume we're off the record? 737 00:31:59,231 --> 00:32:01,177 You think Rochet tells us what to do? 738 00:32:02,567 --> 00:32:04,410 "Come up with your own plan." 739 00:32:05,704 --> 00:32:08,514 I think Rochet identifies targets 740 00:32:09,107 --> 00:32:12,749 and avoids criminal liability by hiding behind this website. 741 00:32:12,812 --> 00:32:14,883 Dude, you are so far out of touch. 742 00:32:14,947 --> 00:32:20,761 The last six areas mentioned on Rochet's website fell victim to arson. 743 00:32:22,455 --> 00:32:24,332 Do you expect me to believe that's a coincidence? 744 00:32:24,390 --> 00:32:27,803 They're poisoning our water, our food. 745 00:32:28,327 --> 00:32:30,603 I mean, Rochet just wants people to know what's happening. 746 00:32:30,663 --> 00:32:32,803 He's up on that farm pulling the strings, 747 00:32:32,866 --> 00:32:35,972 and you three are too young or too stupid to realize it. 748 00:32:36,036 --> 00:32:40,109 I'm not sure insulting them's the best way to gain their confidence. 749 00:32:40,174 --> 00:32:41,244 JACK: This time a woman died. 750 00:32:41,308 --> 00:32:42,378 McCoy. 751 00:32:42,443 --> 00:32:43,820 It's time they grew up, counselor. 752 00:32:43,877 --> 00:32:46,915 You call it growing up. We call it giving up. 753 00:32:50,951 --> 00:32:53,796 You can't answer that with slogans, Mr. Stadler. 754 00:32:53,855 --> 00:32:54,959 EMILY: Oh, my God. 755 00:32:55,723 --> 00:32:59,034 She was a school teacher. Devoted to children. 756 00:32:59,694 --> 00:33:02,641 That's the end of this conversation. Let's go. 757 00:33:03,031 --> 00:33:05,238 JACK: She was 24 years old. 758 00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:07,576 Only a year or so older than you, Ms. Hoyt. 759 00:33:07,635 --> 00:33:09,273 I said, that's enough. 760 00:33:14,043 --> 00:33:16,319 Think they allow organic produce in prison? 761 00:33:18,714 --> 00:33:20,716 They fell on their swords. 762 00:33:21,684 --> 00:33:24,130 I'm not sure they ever had Rochet to give us. 763 00:33:24,186 --> 00:33:25,665 So we make examples of them? 764 00:33:25,721 --> 00:33:27,564 They've made examples of themselves. 765 00:33:27,623 --> 00:33:32,299 You can't protest and demand accountability of others, and then not accept your own. 766 00:33:32,828 --> 00:33:36,402 No movement was ever stopped by making martyrs of the foot soldiers, Jack. 767 00:33:36,466 --> 00:33:39,140 I don't intend to let them go down that nobly. 768 00:33:40,904 --> 00:33:43,145 What makes us so stupid when we're 20. 769 00:33:48,245 --> 00:33:51,783 KENT: I knew Emily... Uh, Ms. Hoyt, from the Internet. 770 00:33:53,383 --> 00:33:56,991 Uh, Mr. Mohr and Mr. Stadler, I didn't know their names. 771 00:33:57,121 --> 00:33:59,362 They came to New York with Emily. 772 00:34:00,024 --> 00:34:01,662 They crashed with me 773 00:34:01,726 --> 00:34:04,832 when they came to New York to burn down that building. 774 00:34:04,896 --> 00:34:06,136 Objection. 775 00:34:06,497 --> 00:34:07,669 Sustained. 776 00:34:08,266 --> 00:34:11,304 Did they discuss with you the purpose of their visit to New York? 777 00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:13,109 Objection. 778 00:34:13,271 --> 00:34:14,614 JUDGE: Overruled. 779 00:34:15,306 --> 00:34:17,810 They said they were here to commit an action. 780 00:34:18,744 --> 00:34:20,314 To burn down the building that 781 00:34:20,379 --> 00:34:22,655 had been built over the community garden. 782 00:34:22,714 --> 00:34:24,887 That's the word they used? An action? 783 00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:26,054 That's what they called it. 784 00:34:26,118 --> 00:34:29,292 And to your knowledge, did the defendants carry out this action? 785 00:34:30,122 --> 00:34:32,625 They bought a jug of gas and 786 00:34:34,026 --> 00:34:35,699 two alarm systems. 787 00:34:38,264 --> 00:34:42,235 People's "A" and "B", Your Honor. 788 00:34:44,070 --> 00:34:47,142 And on the night in question, did you see the defendants? 789 00:34:47,206 --> 00:34:50,619 They left my apartment about 6:30... 790 00:34:51,844 --> 00:34:56,190 They came back, maybe, 9:00-9:30. I'm not sure. 791 00:34:56,683 --> 00:34:57,856 There was a lot going on. 792 00:34:58,285 --> 00:34:59,593 JACK: A lot going on? 793 00:35:00,287 --> 00:35:01,925 They had heard on the news that some woman 794 00:35:01,989 --> 00:35:04,492 had been killed in the fire, and they were pretty upset. 795 00:35:04,558 --> 00:35:06,299 Everyone talking at once. 796 00:35:06,494 --> 00:35:07,871 What were they saying? 797 00:35:07,928 --> 00:35:09,498 Noah was yelling at Clark. 798 00:35:09,563 --> 00:35:12,100 Saying Clark was supposed to check the building. 799 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,212 Uh, Clark said no one was supposed to be there. 800 00:35:15,602 --> 00:35:16,706 Things like that. 801 00:35:18,673 --> 00:35:19,879 And Emily... 802 00:35:20,575 --> 00:35:21,713 Emily was crying. 803 00:35:21,776 --> 00:35:24,416 She kept saying, over and over, 804 00:35:24,946 --> 00:35:26,687 "Nobody was supposed to die." 805 00:35:27,182 --> 00:35:28,388 Nothing further. 806 00:35:32,587 --> 00:35:36,364 Mr. Quigley, the evening in question, 807 00:35:37,259 --> 00:35:38,567 when they left your apartment, 808 00:35:38,627 --> 00:35:40,266 were you with the defendants? 809 00:35:40,329 --> 00:35:41,399 No, sir. 810 00:35:41,464 --> 00:35:45,879 So you don't really know who did what that night, do you? 811 00:35:45,968 --> 00:35:47,003 No. 812 00:35:47,069 --> 00:35:48,810 WHITTEN: And when they came back, 813 00:35:48,871 --> 00:35:52,819 it was your impression my clients were upset 814 00:35:52,875 --> 00:35:54,548 about the death of Ms. Fried? 815 00:35:54,910 --> 00:35:56,218 They were very upset. 816 00:35:56,345 --> 00:35:59,349 WHITTEN: Because the taking of human life 817 00:35:59,415 --> 00:36:02,226 wasn't at all the purpose of this fire, was it? 818 00:36:02,285 --> 00:36:03,320 Objection. 819 00:36:03,387 --> 00:36:06,698 Defendants are charged with an intentional crime, Your Honor. 820 00:36:06,757 --> 00:36:08,794 They're lives hang in the balance. 821 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,366 I'll allow it. And watch your step, counselor. 822 00:36:14,798 --> 00:36:15,936 Mr. Quigley? 823 00:36:19,736 --> 00:36:22,274 There was a beautiful garden on that lot. 824 00:36:23,975 --> 00:36:25,613 People grew things. 825 00:36:25,677 --> 00:36:28,248 Kids had a chance to put their hands in the dirt. 826 00:36:28,713 --> 00:36:31,887 Then... Then this developer comes, 827 00:36:32,183 --> 00:36:37,257 bulldozes the whole thing, paves it over like it had never been there at all. 828 00:36:41,961 --> 00:36:43,235 That was the purpose. 829 00:36:45,731 --> 00:36:47,506 To tell the world we cared. 830 00:36:52,438 --> 00:36:54,281 SERENA: Kids playing in the sun. 831 00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:56,616 At the end there, it felt more like an Earth Day celebration 832 00:36:56,675 --> 00:36:57,983 than a murder trial. 833 00:36:58,043 --> 00:37:00,523 Whitten doesn't get cop killers off by accident. 834 00:37:00,579 --> 00:37:01,785 Well, at least we still have Shollar. 835 00:37:01,847 --> 00:37:03,191 He can put Hoyt at the scene. 836 00:37:03,249 --> 00:37:06,230 Whitten will portray Shollar as a cheating spouse, 837 00:37:06,286 --> 00:37:09,460 who abandoned his lover in her time of need. 838 00:37:09,522 --> 00:37:11,263 Won't help his credibility much. 839 00:37:11,591 --> 00:37:13,298 What about flipping one of them? 840 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,533 Divide and conquer? Over Whitten's dead body. 841 00:37:15,595 --> 00:37:16,835 Motion to sever? 842 00:37:17,731 --> 00:37:19,677 I don't feel like losing three trials. 843 00:37:20,166 --> 00:37:22,271 So, the law lets these kids try and bury the truth 844 00:37:22,335 --> 00:37:23,872 about this case in a little garden? 845 00:37:23,938 --> 00:37:26,851 Eventually, you reap what you sow. 846 00:37:32,413 --> 00:37:34,120 This was a gasoline-based fire. 847 00:37:34,181 --> 00:37:37,424 It burned very quickly and produced an intense heat. 848 00:37:37,485 --> 00:37:40,694 Your arson report indicates four firemen were overcome by smoke. 849 00:37:40,755 --> 00:37:43,201 LEY: Yes, there was a tremendous amount of smoke. 850 00:37:43,491 --> 00:37:45,870 Apparently, they were laying the carpets in the common areas, 851 00:37:45,927 --> 00:37:47,634 so the padding was in rolls. 852 00:37:47,696 --> 00:37:48,970 And once that went up... 853 00:37:51,399 --> 00:37:53,345 Looking at People's exhibit "C," 854 00:37:54,036 --> 00:37:57,313 the apartment where Melanie Fried's body was found, 855 00:37:57,839 --> 00:37:59,409 what was her chance of surviving? 856 00:37:59,474 --> 00:38:00,680 Objection. 857 00:38:01,276 --> 00:38:04,849 Judge, a great deal has been made of the precision of this fire, 858 00:38:04,913 --> 00:38:07,224 how it was intended to avoid injury. 859 00:38:08,151 --> 00:38:09,960 I think it's only fair for the jury, 860 00:38:10,019 --> 00:38:14,365 to be afforded some insight into what chance Melanie Fried had to escape. 861 00:38:15,825 --> 00:38:18,271 You did open the door to intent, Mr. Whitten. 862 00:38:18,728 --> 00:38:20,230 You can answer the question. 863 00:38:21,264 --> 00:38:24,575 In my opinion, Melanie Fried had no chance of escape. 864 00:38:24,634 --> 00:38:25,669 Why not? 865 00:38:25,735 --> 00:38:27,511 Well, within a matter of seconds, 866 00:38:27,571 --> 00:38:29,608 the room would have been filled with smoke. 867 00:38:29,673 --> 00:38:32,279 Her last moments would have been in total blackness, 868 00:38:32,342 --> 00:38:33,719 struggling for air. 869 00:38:34,411 --> 00:38:36,891 If you can imagine a person drowning in smoke. 870 00:38:40,451 --> 00:38:41,930 What about the fact 871 00:38:41,985 --> 00:38:45,956 that the fire was set in the center of the hallway? 872 00:38:46,690 --> 00:38:48,637 LEY: Very good for letting firemen in. 873 00:38:48,693 --> 00:38:50,832 Not so good for letting other people out. 874 00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:53,809 What about the heat? 875 00:38:54,332 --> 00:38:55,436 Searing. 876 00:38:55,834 --> 00:38:59,680 As the fire spread, the room would have been like an oven. 877 00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:04,987 So before Melanie Fried mercifully passed out, 878 00:39:05,543 --> 00:39:06,817 she would have been cooking to death. 879 00:39:07,846 --> 00:39:09,052 WHITTEN: Your Honor... 880 00:39:09,615 --> 00:39:10,958 JUDGE: Mr. McCoy. 881 00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:15,724 Nothing further. 882 00:39:22,194 --> 00:39:24,606 You understand the consequences of pleading guilty? 883 00:39:24,663 --> 00:39:26,199 I just want this to be over. 884 00:39:27,133 --> 00:39:29,307 Emily is prepared to implicate her co-defendants. 885 00:39:30,904 --> 00:39:32,542 What's she expecting in return? 886 00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:36,747 I can't be a party to those negotiations, Mr. McCoy. 887 00:39:37,577 --> 00:39:40,353 At this point, I'm recusing myself as her counsel. 888 00:39:41,515 --> 00:39:43,825 Nonetheless, I thought I had an obligation 889 00:39:43,884 --> 00:39:47,457 as an officer of the court to advise you of my client's wishes. 890 00:39:48,054 --> 00:39:50,262 We appreciate your position, Mr. Whitten. 891 00:39:50,324 --> 00:39:51,928 SERENA: What about the other two? 892 00:39:54,061 --> 00:39:56,041 They understand once she testifies, 893 00:39:56,364 --> 00:39:57,968 a plea won't be re-offered? 894 00:39:58,766 --> 00:40:02,441 My clients are at an age when ideals still mean something. 895 00:40:14,116 --> 00:40:15,390 So what happens now? 896 00:40:16,485 --> 00:40:19,329 New counsel will be appointed to discuss a plea bargain. 897 00:40:20,122 --> 00:40:21,897 Jail time will be involved. 898 00:40:23,492 --> 00:40:24,766 I understand. 899 00:40:34,237 --> 00:40:37,411 You're asking me to get on my website and tell everybody to stop. 900 00:40:37,473 --> 00:40:40,852 Not protests, Mr. Rochet. Just the violence. 901 00:40:41,344 --> 00:40:43,688 And in return you'll make a reasonable sentencing 902 00:40:43,746 --> 00:40:45,885 recommendations for Stadler and Mohr? 903 00:40:47,250 --> 00:40:50,288 I'm no lawyer, Mr. McCoy, but that doesn't sound kosher. 904 00:40:51,321 --> 00:40:52,665 Yes or no? 905 00:40:54,658 --> 00:40:56,638 What makes you think they would listen? 906 00:40:56,694 --> 00:40:59,675 Right or wrong, these kids read your website. 907 00:41:00,097 --> 00:41:04,204 They read about Coyote burning down resorts and attacking laboratories. 908 00:41:04,702 --> 00:41:06,704 They want to emulate your actions. 909 00:41:08,138 --> 00:41:09,310 If you were to denounce them... 910 00:41:09,373 --> 00:41:11,979 They'd call me a turncoat, and they'd go somewhere else. 911 00:41:13,078 --> 00:41:14,921 You support terrorism. 912 00:41:14,980 --> 00:41:17,688 I have blood on my hands? Is that what you're saying? 913 00:41:18,617 --> 00:41:20,153 Why not prosecute me then? 914 00:41:21,252 --> 00:41:24,392 There's legal and moral guilt. 915 00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:27,866 And all those people with emphysema who suffocate because of pollution 916 00:41:27,926 --> 00:41:30,270 the same way that woman suffocated in that fire? 917 00:41:30,328 --> 00:41:34,641 Or drink toxic water because of the chemicals leeching into the watershed? 918 00:41:34,967 --> 00:41:37,106 Spare me. I know the speech. 919 00:41:39,271 --> 00:41:41,410 Young people believe the world can change. 920 00:41:41,474 --> 00:41:43,078 I won't tell them it can't. 921 00:41:43,776 --> 00:41:45,949 So teach them how to really change it. 922 00:41:51,317 --> 00:41:52,887 They're kids, Mr. Rochet. 923 00:41:57,524 --> 00:41:59,663 Every war has its casualties. 924 00:42:11,138 --> 00:42:12,845 When Kent... JACK: Mr. Quigley. 925 00:42:13,473 --> 00:42:17,012 Told me about the fight over the community gardens, 926 00:42:17,311 --> 00:42:18,654 that's when we... 927 00:42:19,981 --> 00:42:23,758 Clark and Noah, Mr. Mohr and Mr. Stadler... 928 00:42:24,018 --> 00:42:25,759 That's when we decided to do it. 929 00:42:26,654 --> 00:42:27,860 To do what? 930 00:42:29,958 --> 00:42:31,198 Set the fire. 931 00:42:31,826 --> 00:42:33,703 To burn down the apartment building. 932 00:42:34,128 --> 00:42:35,903 But as a protest. 933 00:42:36,331 --> 00:42:39,040 Cities are so crowded, so messed up, 934 00:42:39,101 --> 00:42:42,810 and they keep building big skyscrapers that block out the sun. 935 00:42:43,472 --> 00:42:46,749 People don't have any access to green, to the earth. 936 00:42:46,809 --> 00:42:48,846 They don't even know what they're missing. 937 00:42:48,911 --> 00:42:51,221 We're destroying this planet. 938 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,090 It gets worse every year, and nobody does anything about it. 939 00:42:54,149 --> 00:42:57,791 And we just thought, "Shouldn't somebody put a stop to it?" 940 00:42:59,155 --> 00:43:01,829 Shouldn't we do everything we can to stop that? 941 00:43:03,493 --> 00:43:06,372 We didn't know there was anyone inside. 942 00:43:20,044 --> 00:43:21,455 Top count conviction. 943 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:23,456 Emily Hoyt's testimony. 944 00:43:24,048 --> 00:43:25,288 What's she getting? 945 00:43:26,817 --> 00:43:28,956 Five years. Same as Quigley. 946 00:43:29,086 --> 00:43:30,622 And the other defendants? 947 00:43:32,690 --> 00:43:34,294 They were given every chance. 948 00:43:36,961 --> 00:43:40,432 Two coyotes turned into sacrificial lambs. 949 00:43:42,667 --> 00:43:43,839 (SIGHS)