1 00:00:06,282 --> 00:00:08,023 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:08,084 --> 00:00:11,999 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:12,055 --> 00:00:13,864 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:13,924 --> 00:00:16,666 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:16,726 --> 00:00:18,296 These are their stories. 6 00:00:19,629 --> 00:00:21,939 Can't you hook up with a guy who lives in an elevator building? 7 00:00:21,998 --> 00:00:23,238 Quit bitchin', we're here. 8 00:00:23,300 --> 00:00:25,906 Thank God, these heels are killing me. 9 00:00:27,537 --> 00:00:30,245 Jimmy, you in there? 10 00:00:32,043 --> 00:00:33,317 Jimmy! 11 00:00:34,612 --> 00:00:36,523 He's with that Connie Ditchko, I'm gonna kill him. 12 00:00:36,581 --> 00:00:38,026 That Ukrainian girl? 13 00:00:38,082 --> 00:00:40,062 Oh, relax, he'll call you tomorrow. Come on. 14 00:00:40,118 --> 00:00:41,222 Wait. 15 00:00:42,854 --> 00:00:45,494 What, Jimmy gave you the keys to his crib? 16 00:00:45,556 --> 00:00:46,933 You only been with him a month. 17 00:00:46,991 --> 00:00:48,902 He didn't give it to me. I took it. 18 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,804 Oh, you go, girl. (SNICKERS) 19 00:00:52,464 --> 00:00:53,465 Jimmy! 20 00:00:54,867 --> 00:00:55,868 Jimmy! 21 00:00:57,236 --> 00:00:59,113 (GASPS) Oh, my God. 22 00:00:59,605 --> 00:01:01,016 (CRYING) Jimmy! 23 00:01:01,073 --> 00:01:02,416 Oh. my God! 24 00:01:04,376 --> 00:01:07,755 And the dead guy is James Foley, 36. 25 00:01:07,813 --> 00:01:10,316 Girlfriend was supposed to meet him at some club, 26 00:01:10,382 --> 00:01:12,795 he didn't show, she came looking for him. 27 00:01:13,286 --> 00:01:15,596 I guess it was the maid's week off. 28 00:01:15,722 --> 00:01:17,565 ED: Hmm. I'm no M.E., but it looks like this guy 29 00:01:17,624 --> 00:01:19,661 got his head bashed in. 30 00:01:19,726 --> 00:01:23,435 Maybe they were fighting over which TV show to watch. 31 00:01:23,530 --> 00:01:25,203 It's a lot of blood. 32 00:01:25,298 --> 00:01:27,278 Head wounds. Bleed like crazy. 33 00:01:27,333 --> 00:01:28,403 Tell me about it. 34 00:01:28,468 --> 00:01:30,414 When I was a kid, I fell off my bike, 35 00:01:30,737 --> 00:01:32,376 split my scalp wide open. 36 00:01:32,439 --> 00:01:34,578 My mother thought I was gonna die. 37 00:01:34,642 --> 00:01:35,882 How many stitches? 38 00:01:35,943 --> 00:01:37,217 Twenty-six. 39 00:01:37,278 --> 00:01:39,952 Beats me. Most I ever got was eight. 40 00:01:40,014 --> 00:01:43,052 Bobby Delillo split my lip open playing stickball. 41 00:01:43,117 --> 00:01:44,391 (CHUCKLES) Stickball? 42 00:01:44,451 --> 00:01:47,955 Hey, Willie Mays was a three sewer stickball player. 43 00:01:50,891 --> 00:01:52,769 Guess he was in the middle of shaving. 44 00:01:52,827 --> 00:01:54,829 Mmm. Looks like he missed a spot. 45 00:02:45,515 --> 00:02:47,324 Blunt force trauma, skull fracture. 46 00:02:47,384 --> 00:02:48,920 Cause of death, epidural bleeding. 47 00:02:48,986 --> 00:02:50,590 That never happened playing stickball. 48 00:02:50,654 --> 00:02:53,067 CSU found blood splatters on the television set, 49 00:02:53,124 --> 00:02:54,933 mixed with hair fibers and skull particulate. 50 00:02:54,993 --> 00:02:56,904 Any chance this was an accident? 51 00:02:56,961 --> 00:02:59,703 I did blood alcohol and ran a tox screen. 52 00:02:59,764 --> 00:03:01,072 He'd had a couple of drinks. 53 00:03:01,132 --> 00:03:03,043 But was he inebriated enough to stagger around 54 00:03:03,101 --> 00:03:05,547 and pull the TV down on top of himself? I don't think so. 55 00:03:05,603 --> 00:03:07,105 So it was a homicide. 56 00:03:07,171 --> 00:03:08,980 I found fresh bruises on his torso, 57 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,917 consistent with punches or blows. 58 00:03:10,975 --> 00:03:12,922 So what, they waltz around, 59 00:03:12,978 --> 00:03:15,458 the perp picks up the TV set and bashes his skull in? 60 00:03:15,514 --> 00:03:18,120 Or they tussle, the perp shoves him, he falls down. 61 00:03:18,183 --> 00:03:20,527 Irresistible force meets immovable object. 62 00:03:20,586 --> 00:03:23,692 I also found some blue synthetic fibers on Foley's pants, 63 00:03:23,789 --> 00:03:26,429 which matched fibers CSU pulled from the window sill. 64 00:03:26,492 --> 00:03:27,835 That's a long shot. 65 00:03:27,893 --> 00:03:29,338 Well, lab says these type of fibers 66 00:03:29,395 --> 00:03:32,035 are used to make work clothes, uniforms, jackets. 67 00:03:32,097 --> 00:03:33,338 Maybe the cable guy. 68 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,539 Yeah right. Like they ever show up. 69 00:03:36,569 --> 00:03:37,809 What about the girlfriend? 70 00:03:37,871 --> 00:03:40,374 Witnesses put her at the club at the time of the murder. 71 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:41,976 And these blue fibers? 72 00:03:42,042 --> 00:03:44,215 Maybe Foley was a sucker for a uniform. 73 00:03:44,277 --> 00:03:46,314 There's no sign of a break-in. According to the girlfriend, 74 00:03:46,379 --> 00:03:47,722 she had to use her key to get in. 75 00:03:47,781 --> 00:03:50,125 So Foley's shaving, gettin' ready to go out. 76 00:03:50,183 --> 00:03:52,129 He buzzes the guy up, lets him in. 77 00:03:52,519 --> 00:03:54,864 They fight, Foley gets his head smashed in, 78 00:03:54,922 --> 00:03:56,765 the perp either closes the door behind him 79 00:03:56,824 --> 00:03:58,531 or he goes out the window and down the fire escape. 80 00:03:58,592 --> 00:04:01,732 And leaves a few fibers behind. What about prints? 81 00:04:01,862 --> 00:04:04,638 Latent lifted 53 partials. 82 00:04:04,732 --> 00:04:07,008 Popular fella. How about the canvass? 83 00:04:07,568 --> 00:04:09,570 A neighbor heard two men arguing, 84 00:04:09,637 --> 00:04:11,844 and then aloud bang, sometime around 10:45. 85 00:04:12,239 --> 00:04:15,585 Yeah. That would've been the TV set, imploding on Foley's skull. 86 00:04:15,677 --> 00:04:20,387 Another neighbor said she saw Foley arguing with a heavyset white guy 87 00:04:20,449 --> 00:04:22,793 in front of his building a few weeks ago. 88 00:04:22,851 --> 00:04:24,489 She know what that was about? 89 00:04:24,553 --> 00:04:26,191 Only that it got pretty heated. 90 00:04:26,254 --> 00:04:27,426 Yeah, unfortunately, 91 00:04:27,489 --> 00:04:30,368 there's no "heavyset white guy" listed in the phone book. 92 00:04:30,425 --> 00:04:32,200 What else do we know about Foley? 93 00:04:32,394 --> 00:04:33,999 Well, he had a record. 94 00:04:34,063 --> 00:04:36,771 Uh, couple of assaults, drug possession. 95 00:04:36,833 --> 00:04:38,938 That explains the visitors. 96 00:04:39,135 --> 00:04:42,014 Last bust was for four grams of coke. 97 00:04:42,071 --> 00:04:43,345 He got probation. 98 00:04:43,406 --> 00:04:44,783 With that record? 99 00:04:44,841 --> 00:04:46,684 Maybe his lawyer was Clarence Darrow. 100 00:04:46,743 --> 00:04:48,518 ED: Girlfriend seemed to think he'd cleaned up his act. 101 00:04:48,578 --> 00:04:50,615 Girlfriends are always the last to know. 102 00:04:50,847 --> 00:04:52,986 Them and probation officers. 103 00:04:54,151 --> 00:04:55,596 Well, he's been passing his urine tests. 104 00:04:55,652 --> 00:04:57,063 As far as I know he was clean. 105 00:04:57,121 --> 00:04:58,259 What about this last bust? 106 00:04:58,322 --> 00:05:00,928 Well, the cops raided some dance club he was working at. 107 00:05:00,991 --> 00:05:02,834 They found some coke behind the bar. 108 00:05:02,893 --> 00:05:04,099 So how'd he get probation? 109 00:05:04,161 --> 00:05:06,801 What I heard, they screwed up the search. 110 00:05:06,864 --> 00:05:08,309 Our Fourth Amendment at work. 111 00:05:08,365 --> 00:05:09,708 Well, except for this family court thing, 112 00:05:09,767 --> 00:05:11,508 I thought that Foley was doin' pretty good. 113 00:05:11,568 --> 00:05:12,740 ED: What family court thing? 114 00:05:12,803 --> 00:05:14,477 Some custody fight or something. 115 00:05:14,572 --> 00:05:15,744 BRISCOE: He had a kid? 116 00:05:15,807 --> 00:05:17,115 Yeah. With an ex-girlfriend. 117 00:05:17,175 --> 00:05:19,712 Apparently, she's been ridin' his ass about child support. 118 00:05:19,778 --> 00:05:22,156 Only Foley never shows up in court. 119 00:05:22,213 --> 00:05:24,750 Finally, this family court judge calls me, 120 00:05:24,816 --> 00:05:26,853 tells me, if Foley doesn't show up for the next date, 121 00:05:26,918 --> 00:05:28,329 I should violate his probation. 122 00:05:28,386 --> 00:05:30,696 When was this? Few weeks ago. 123 00:05:30,755 --> 00:05:32,928 But I checked. Foley showed. 124 00:05:39,265 --> 00:05:42,109 Laura Rodriguez filed a V petition against James Foley 125 00:05:42,168 --> 00:05:44,648 for custody and support on January 8th of '98. 126 00:05:44,703 --> 00:05:46,239 That's over three years ago. 127 00:05:46,305 --> 00:05:48,285 Guy ignored the summons. A lot of 'em do. 128 00:05:48,374 --> 00:05:51,014 So what happened when Foley finally did show? 129 00:05:51,076 --> 00:05:53,818 It was one of those real knockdown drag out type of things. 130 00:05:53,879 --> 00:05:54,984 ED: Which ended how? 131 00:05:55,048 --> 00:05:56,254 Mother got full custody 132 00:05:56,383 --> 00:05:58,226 plus an order from the court, for support 133 00:05:58,285 --> 00:06:00,162 dating back to when the kid was born. 134 00:06:00,220 --> 00:06:01,858 BRISCOE: Foley make a payment? 135 00:06:01,922 --> 00:06:04,926 Uh, not on that day. 136 00:06:05,091 --> 00:06:07,332 I'd have to check another file to see if he's made one since. 137 00:06:07,394 --> 00:06:09,431 Dead beat dad Don't waste your time. 138 00:06:09,496 --> 00:06:11,100 Mother couldn't have been too happy about that. 139 00:06:11,164 --> 00:06:13,144 Well, if you ask me, I think the real fight 140 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,372 was about the fact that mom brought 141 00:06:14,434 --> 00:06:15,971 a new boyfriend with her to court. 142 00:06:16,237 --> 00:06:18,342 Who's that? Never got a name. 143 00:06:18,539 --> 00:06:20,849 But he and Foley got into it pretty good in the hallway. 144 00:06:20,908 --> 00:06:23,320 Couple of court officers had to break it up. 145 00:06:23,644 --> 00:06:25,385 Look, I'm sorry Jimmy got himself killed, 146 00:06:25,446 --> 00:06:27,585 but I got nothin' to do with him anymore. 147 00:06:27,648 --> 00:06:29,491 I been tryin' to put all that behind me. 148 00:06:29,584 --> 00:06:32,463 That's hard to do when you got a kid together. 149 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,227 Jimmy wasn't part of Billy's life. 150 00:06:34,288 --> 00:06:35,666 Never has been. 151 00:06:36,325 --> 00:06:38,066 There's another man in the picture. 152 00:06:38,427 --> 00:06:39,929 What's that got to do with anything? 153 00:06:39,995 --> 00:06:42,601 Miss Rodriguez, we know about the fight outside the courtroom. 154 00:06:45,767 --> 00:06:47,713 Go in and play in the other room, okay? 155 00:06:47,769 --> 00:06:49,544 Mommy'll be right in. 156 00:06:55,645 --> 00:06:58,455 Three years, three years and I don't get a cent. 157 00:06:58,648 --> 00:07:00,958 Billy never gets so much as a birthday card from Jimmy. 158 00:07:01,017 --> 00:07:02,690 It finally takes a judge to make him show up. 159 00:07:02,752 --> 00:07:05,028 And then he thinks he's got the right to tell me how to live my life. 160 00:07:05,088 --> 00:07:06,761 He objected to your relationship? 161 00:07:06,823 --> 00:07:09,394 Yeah. I think callin' me a slut would qualify, don't you? 162 00:07:09,459 --> 00:07:11,166 BRISCOE: What's your boyfriend's name? 163 00:07:11,227 --> 00:07:12,228 Terry. 164 00:07:13,696 --> 00:07:14,868 Terry Fullmer. 165 00:07:14,931 --> 00:07:16,639 What was the fight about? 166 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:19,579 I guess Jimmy didn't like the way Terry was lookin' at him or something, 167 00:07:19,637 --> 00:07:21,139 'cause he said something to Terry 168 00:07:21,205 --> 00:07:23,776 and then Terry said something back and Jimmy swung on him. 169 00:07:23,841 --> 00:07:25,218 This Terry? Yeah. 170 00:07:26,744 --> 00:07:28,246 Heavyset white guy. 171 00:07:29,413 --> 00:07:32,053 Terry's been the only man in Billy's life. 172 00:07:32,983 --> 00:07:35,486 He buys him things, babysits. 173 00:07:37,055 --> 00:07:38,398 He's a good person. 174 00:07:39,991 --> 00:07:41,527 I met the guy a couple times. 175 00:07:41,593 --> 00:07:43,402 I take it you two didn't get along. 176 00:07:43,728 --> 00:07:45,401 He treated Laura like crap, and Billy. 177 00:07:45,463 --> 00:07:48,273 So, no, he wasn't my favorite person on God's green Earth. 178 00:07:48,333 --> 00:07:50,176 Laura says you've been helping out, huh? 179 00:07:50,235 --> 00:07:53,444 That's what a grown man does. Takes care of his family. 180 00:07:53,505 --> 00:07:55,280 Not like Foley. 181 00:07:55,340 --> 00:07:57,252 Deadbeat wouldn't even fork over a couple bucks 182 00:07:57,310 --> 00:07:59,415 for diapers when money was tight. 183 00:07:59,979 --> 00:08:01,652 That must've really pissed you off, 184 00:08:01,714 --> 00:08:03,751 paying for a kid who wasn't yours. 185 00:08:03,816 --> 00:08:06,194 Wasn't the way I saw it, but what's your point? 186 00:08:06,886 --> 00:08:08,866 A witness ID'd you arguing with Foley 187 00:08:08,921 --> 00:08:11,299 in front of his apartment building a few weeks ago. 188 00:08:11,357 --> 00:08:12,734 We had some words. 189 00:08:12,792 --> 00:08:14,669 I was just tryin' to get him to come to court. 190 00:08:14,727 --> 00:08:16,229 You wanna tell us where you were last night? 191 00:08:16,295 --> 00:08:17,400 With Laura at home. 192 00:08:17,464 --> 00:08:18,875 That's not much of an alibi. 193 00:08:18,932 --> 00:08:20,570 You think I killed Foley? 194 00:08:20,634 --> 00:08:23,046 Much as I hated the hump, I wouldn't do that to Billy. 195 00:08:23,103 --> 00:08:24,810 Guy was still his father. 196 00:08:24,871 --> 00:08:28,045 Look, I was just tryin' to do right by Laura and the kid. 197 00:08:28,375 --> 00:08:30,719 Then, uh, you won't mind if we borrow your shirt. 198 00:08:31,311 --> 00:08:32,381 For what? 199 00:08:32,446 --> 00:08:35,256 Hey, man, if you don't want to cooperate, we'll come back with a warrant. 200 00:08:35,315 --> 00:08:37,023 I got nothin' to hide. 201 00:08:37,085 --> 00:08:39,429 Foley hardly even knew his own kid's name. 202 00:08:39,487 --> 00:08:41,967 Whoever did this to him, he had it coming. 203 00:08:43,858 --> 00:08:46,338 No fiber match on Fullmer's shirt. 204 00:08:46,394 --> 00:08:49,307 Even if there were, you'd still have to put him at the scene. 205 00:08:49,364 --> 00:08:51,571 We re-canvassed the building with Fullmer's photo, 206 00:08:51,633 --> 00:08:53,237 to see if anybody saw him the night of the murder. 207 00:08:53,301 --> 00:08:55,440 No luck. Excuse me, Lieutenant. 208 00:08:55,503 --> 00:08:57,177 Prints from Foley's apartment came back. 209 00:08:57,239 --> 00:08:58,684 Thanks, Cordova. 210 00:08:59,475 --> 00:09:01,182 Any matches for Fullmer? 211 00:09:01,243 --> 00:09:02,745 I don't see his name. 212 00:09:02,811 --> 00:09:04,484 But AFIS hit on eight partials, 213 00:09:04,546 --> 00:09:06,423 generated a list of possibles. 214 00:09:06,482 --> 00:09:07,620 Wow. 215 00:09:07,683 --> 00:09:10,391 So much for not consorting with known felons. 216 00:09:10,452 --> 00:09:12,329 Most of these are drug charges. 217 00:09:12,388 --> 00:09:14,698 Another successful probationer. 218 00:09:14,757 --> 00:09:17,364 Here's one guy with a manslaughter rap. 219 00:09:17,827 --> 00:09:20,637 Maybe Foley shorted the wrong customer. 220 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:25,973 I ain't seen Foley in almost a year. 221 00:09:26,036 --> 00:09:29,210 That's funny. The neighbor says she remembers your face pretty good. 222 00:09:29,272 --> 00:09:31,343 Says you used to come up to see him all the time. 223 00:09:31,408 --> 00:09:32,682 Social visits, Mr. Lynch? 224 00:09:32,742 --> 00:09:35,154 Hey, look, just 'cause a guy goes to see another guy, 225 00:09:35,211 --> 00:09:36,986 doesn't mean anything illegal happened. 226 00:09:37,113 --> 00:09:38,787 It does if they're both felons. 227 00:09:38,883 --> 00:09:41,090 Or if one of them got his skull smashed in. 228 00:09:41,152 --> 00:09:42,495 Well, what are you talking about? 229 00:09:42,553 --> 00:09:45,124 Your friend Foley got himself killed. 230 00:09:45,189 --> 00:09:46,634 Now, your prints being there, 231 00:09:46,691 --> 00:09:49,399 plus your previously demonstrated willingness 232 00:09:49,460 --> 00:09:51,235 to take a man's life, 233 00:09:51,295 --> 00:09:53,741 maybe you might wanna help us out on this. 234 00:09:59,404 --> 00:10:01,008 When did this happen? 235 00:10:01,073 --> 00:10:03,713 ED: We're not gonna help you out with an alibi, Mr. Lynch. 236 00:10:03,775 --> 00:10:06,278 Yeah. I work every night. I get on at 6:00, I'm here 'till midnight. 237 00:10:06,344 --> 00:10:07,982 If it happened between then, it couldn't have been me. 238 00:10:08,046 --> 00:10:11,323 But you have seen him more recently than a year ago, haven't you? 239 00:10:11,383 --> 00:10:14,489 BRISCOE: When was the last time you saw him? 240 00:10:14,553 --> 00:10:16,362 Hey, man, don't make us go to your PO. 241 00:10:16,455 --> 00:10:17,798 Maybe three, four months ago. 242 00:10:17,856 --> 00:10:19,302 I heard he was movin' a lot of product 243 00:10:19,358 --> 00:10:20,894 out of that club he worked at. 244 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,133 And you weren't too happy just being a busboy? 245 00:10:23,196 --> 00:10:24,470 Only nothin' happened. 246 00:10:24,530 --> 00:10:27,010 Foley got busted himself a few days before I saw him. 247 00:10:27,066 --> 00:10:29,273 Said it was a lot of coke and he had to lay low for awhile. 248 00:10:29,335 --> 00:10:30,939 We heard it was just a few grams. 249 00:10:31,003 --> 00:10:34,348 I guess some of it got lost on the way to the station house. 250 00:10:34,907 --> 00:10:37,581 Look, all I know is Foley said he wasn't going to jail. 251 00:10:38,779 --> 00:10:40,224 Why do you want to know about Foley? 252 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,760 We were just wondering how he got off with a jaywalking ticket 253 00:10:42,816 --> 00:10:44,887 on a half pound of coke. 254 00:10:44,952 --> 00:10:46,431 Problems with the search. 255 00:10:46,487 --> 00:10:48,558 You had a valid search warrant. We pulled your jacket. 256 00:10:48,622 --> 00:10:50,727 Where do you get off pulling one of my case files? 257 00:10:50,791 --> 00:10:53,931 The case came in A1 weight, it went out C weight. 258 00:10:54,428 --> 00:10:56,408 I don't think I like your implication, Detective. 259 00:10:56,463 --> 00:10:58,238 And I don't think we like being told the same story 260 00:10:58,298 --> 00:10:59,869 you supplied the probation officer. 261 00:11:00,235 --> 00:11:02,215 Why all this interest in a maggot like Foley? 262 00:11:02,270 --> 00:11:05,717 ED: Because this maggot got himself murdered the other day. 263 00:11:07,509 --> 00:11:08,510 I hadn't heard. 264 00:11:08,843 --> 00:11:09,913 So now you want to tell us 265 00:11:09,978 --> 00:11:13,152 how Foley got himself a "get out of jail free" card? 266 00:11:15,049 --> 00:11:16,722 We flipped him. 267 00:11:16,918 --> 00:11:18,899 Foley was a confidential informant. 268 00:11:26,128 --> 00:11:27,232 A Cl? Yeah. 269 00:11:27,296 --> 00:11:29,970 Narcotics said that they'd been sitting on Foley for months, 270 00:11:30,032 --> 00:11:32,603 got a tip that he'd been moving some real quantity out of this club. 271 00:11:32,668 --> 00:11:33,840 How much did they find? 272 00:11:33,903 --> 00:11:36,144 A half a pound of uncut cocaine. 273 00:11:36,205 --> 00:11:38,845 So they get their information and Foley gets probation. 274 00:11:38,908 --> 00:11:42,049 And the PO gets some bogus story about a search gone bad. 275 00:11:42,145 --> 00:11:44,682 Yeah. Give me a nice clean homicide any day. 276 00:11:44,748 --> 00:11:47,160 How much information did Foley provide? 277 00:11:47,217 --> 00:11:48,992 Well, according to the cops who handle him, 278 00:11:49,052 --> 00:11:50,656 in three months, Foley's dropped a dime 279 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,529 on about half a dozen bad guys. 280 00:11:52,589 --> 00:11:54,728 Do they think anyone found out about it? 281 00:11:54,791 --> 00:11:56,361 BRISCOE: There's one for sure. 282 00:11:57,594 --> 00:11:58,800 "Glenn Edwards." 283 00:11:59,430 --> 00:12:01,774 Foley testified against him at the trial. 284 00:12:01,833 --> 00:12:04,643 He got transferred to Sing Sing a month ago. 285 00:12:04,702 --> 00:12:06,841 Whose turn is it to put in for gas money? 286 00:12:12,643 --> 00:12:14,953 You wasted a trip. I got nothing against Foley. 287 00:12:15,012 --> 00:12:18,050 BRISCOE: That's funny, we heard he sent you here. 288 00:12:18,115 --> 00:12:19,789 Guess he did what he had to do. 289 00:12:19,852 --> 00:12:21,354 That's a pretty enlightened attitude 290 00:12:21,420 --> 00:12:22,694 you got there, Mr. Edwards. 291 00:12:22,754 --> 00:12:24,233 Now if I found out some guy ratted me out... 292 00:12:24,289 --> 00:12:26,860 What comes around, goes around, why sweat it. 293 00:12:26,925 --> 00:12:28,666 Then you knew Foley was dead? 294 00:12:28,727 --> 00:12:31,139 My people thought the news might cheer me up. 295 00:12:31,263 --> 00:12:33,573 Yeah, we were thinking the same thing. 296 00:12:34,499 --> 00:12:35,500 Yeah? 297 00:12:36,435 --> 00:12:37,812 Well, I got a pretty good alibi. 298 00:12:37,870 --> 00:12:40,147 BRISCOE: Well, doesn't mean you couldn't have had one of your people 299 00:12:40,206 --> 00:12:41,913 arrange it though, does it? 300 00:12:41,975 --> 00:12:45,354 Just 'cause I fanned a few flames doesn't mean I set the fire. 301 00:12:45,411 --> 00:12:46,890 Meaning what? 302 00:12:46,946 --> 00:12:49,756 Look into a dude Foley capped about 10 years ago. 303 00:12:49,816 --> 00:12:52,194 What? He came back from the dead for revenge? 304 00:12:52,252 --> 00:12:55,028 Foley skated on the murder but it turns out 305 00:12:55,121 --> 00:12:57,863 the guy who's actually convicted for it is right here in this prison. 306 00:12:57,924 --> 00:12:59,904 ED: And you know this how? 307 00:13:00,059 --> 00:13:02,540 Told you. What goes around, comes around. 308 00:13:02,596 --> 00:13:03,768 When I got transferred here, 309 00:13:03,831 --> 00:13:07,540 I found myself on the same cell block with an innocent man. 310 00:13:07,935 --> 00:13:09,175 I just thought he might like to know 311 00:13:09,236 --> 00:13:11,648 who he's doin his time for, that's all. 312 00:13:13,574 --> 00:13:16,054 Edwards never told me anything about anybody named Foley. 313 00:13:16,110 --> 00:13:17,680 Now why would he make something like that up. 314 00:13:17,745 --> 00:13:18,883 How do I know? 315 00:13:18,946 --> 00:13:20,722 He's the one who had the beef with this guy. 316 00:13:20,782 --> 00:13:23,092 And he just happens to point the finger at you? 317 00:13:23,151 --> 00:13:25,461 Things like that happen in here all the time. 318 00:13:25,854 --> 00:13:27,333 Look, I don't know why he would tell you 319 00:13:27,389 --> 00:13:29,460 that he talked to me about Foley. He didn't. 320 00:13:29,524 --> 00:13:31,970 So you never heard of James Foley? 321 00:13:32,594 --> 00:13:34,801 ED: Look, Mr. Campbell, the warden says 322 00:13:34,863 --> 00:13:38,106 that you've been proclaiming your innocence since you set foot in here. 323 00:13:38,166 --> 00:13:40,112 Doesn't seem to have done me much good, does it? 324 00:13:40,168 --> 00:13:42,445 Well, who knows, maybe today's your lucky day. 325 00:13:43,272 --> 00:13:46,253 I been up here for 12 years for a crime I didn't commit. 326 00:13:46,309 --> 00:13:49,449 The guy who was sent here with me already died in this place. 327 00:13:49,512 --> 00:13:53,289 If my lucky day includes two detectives accusing me of another murder, 328 00:13:53,349 --> 00:13:54,919 I think I'll just pass. 329 00:13:57,019 --> 00:14:00,660 Edwards' phone log from Sing Sing doesn't have any outgoing calls 330 00:14:00,723 --> 00:14:02,260 within a week of Foley's murder. 331 00:14:02,326 --> 00:14:04,306 Maybe he sent a postcard. 332 00:14:04,628 --> 00:14:08,474 Victim in the Campbell murder was a gang banger named David Gale. 333 00:14:08,532 --> 00:14:11,172 There was an eyewitness, fingerprints on the murder weapon. 334 00:14:11,234 --> 00:14:13,805 Another innocent man falsely convicted. 335 00:14:13,870 --> 00:14:16,043 This witness had a pretty good sheet. 336 00:14:16,740 --> 00:14:18,242 Possession, prostitution. 337 00:14:18,308 --> 00:14:22,018 Hey, like we always say, if only all our witnesses could be choir boys. 338 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,889 But the forensics were good you said? 339 00:14:23,948 --> 00:14:26,019 Set of partials on the gun. 340 00:14:26,084 --> 00:14:27,188 Moving on. 341 00:14:27,251 --> 00:14:28,787 Hmm. Maybe not. 342 00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:31,991 Lead detective on the case was... 343 00:14:38,229 --> 00:14:39,640 Of course, I remember the case. 344 00:14:39,697 --> 00:14:41,142 I made grade because of it. 345 00:14:41,199 --> 00:14:42,440 You got grade money in Narcotics? 346 00:14:42,501 --> 00:14:45,175 Well, city was in the midst of a crack epidemic. 347 00:14:45,237 --> 00:14:47,649 The victim was a Lower East Side dealer. 348 00:14:47,706 --> 00:14:50,915 One more dead crack dealer. Practically a public service. 349 00:14:50,976 --> 00:14:54,583 Only this one was shot in a park across from City Hall. 350 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,150 The mayor went ballistic, wanted it solved fast. 351 00:14:58,217 --> 00:14:59,287 Which you did. 352 00:14:59,351 --> 00:15:00,989 Well, I had a little luck, you know. 353 00:15:01,053 --> 00:15:04,035 Eyewitness was a prostitute. Said she heard shots, 354 00:15:04,090 --> 00:15:08,232 saw the co-defendants, Campbell and a guy named Larry Martin, 355 00:15:08,294 --> 00:15:10,296 running from the car where the victim was, 356 00:15:10,363 --> 00:15:12,934 and then we found the murder weapon in a dumpster. 357 00:15:12,999 --> 00:15:14,239 With Campbell's prints on it. 358 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:16,280 Detective, those visitor logs you asked for. 359 00:15:16,336 --> 00:15:17,576 Thank you. 360 00:15:17,837 --> 00:15:19,248 Those Campbell's or Edward's? 361 00:15:19,305 --> 00:15:21,512 Both. He's nothing if not thorough. 362 00:15:21,574 --> 00:15:24,112 Hey, check this out, Campbell and Edwards both had the same visitor 363 00:15:24,178 --> 00:15:25,851 a week before Foley's murder. 364 00:15:25,913 --> 00:15:27,688 Then again two days later. 365 00:15:27,748 --> 00:15:29,591 Who? Luke Campbell. 366 00:15:30,751 --> 00:15:34,221 I'm supposed to notify corporate before I talk to law enforcement. 367 00:15:34,288 --> 00:15:36,427 This isn't about work, Mr. Campbell. 368 00:15:36,791 --> 00:15:38,828 What's it about then? Your brother? 369 00:15:39,393 --> 00:15:41,168 I got nothing to say about him. 370 00:15:41,228 --> 00:15:43,368 What about, uh, Glenn Edwards? 371 00:15:43,432 --> 00:15:45,105 ED: He's an inmate at Sing Sing. 372 00:15:45,167 --> 00:15:48,614 The visiting log there says you met him October 10th, 373 00:15:48,670 --> 00:15:50,411 and then again on October 12th. 374 00:15:50,472 --> 00:15:52,418 Same days as you saw your brother. 375 00:15:53,308 --> 00:15:55,549 ED: What's going on, Mr. Campbell? 376 00:15:55,610 --> 00:15:58,614 This guy Edwards said he knew something about Bobby's case. 377 00:15:58,680 --> 00:15:59,920 ED: Bobby knew about the meetings? 378 00:15:59,981 --> 00:16:01,619 No. I went to see this guy on my own. 379 00:16:01,683 --> 00:16:02,822 BRISCOE: So what'd he tell you? 380 00:16:02,885 --> 00:16:06,992 Nothing. It was a scam. He said he knew something, but he wanted money first. 381 00:16:07,090 --> 00:16:09,127 He didn't tell you that your brother was innocent? 382 00:16:09,192 --> 00:16:11,069 That he knew who the real killer was? 383 00:16:11,127 --> 00:16:12,470 No. He didn't. 384 00:16:12,528 --> 00:16:14,906 He didn't mention a guy named Jimmy Foley? 385 00:16:14,964 --> 00:16:15,965 No. 386 00:16:16,666 --> 00:16:19,237 So where you were last Tuesday night, Mr. Campbell? 387 00:16:19,869 --> 00:16:22,179 I was working the night shift at my other job. 388 00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:29,382 Tuesday, the 18th, Mr. Campbell was working a building in Midtown. 389 00:16:29,446 --> 00:16:30,925 8:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. 390 00:16:30,981 --> 00:16:32,324 ED: What kind of job is that? 391 00:16:32,382 --> 00:16:35,761 Sit at a desk, bring a book, try not to fall asleep kinda job. 392 00:16:35,819 --> 00:16:37,321 Is he alone all that time? 393 00:16:37,387 --> 00:16:38,764 Well, there's a supervisor. 394 00:16:38,822 --> 00:16:40,096 What about a break? 395 00:16:40,157 --> 00:16:42,899 Half hour for dinner. Supervisor's gotta come by and relieve him. 396 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,770 BRISCOE: So, the boss isn't on the premises? 397 00:16:44,829 --> 00:16:47,105 He roves, he checks each building once an hour. 398 00:16:47,165 --> 00:16:48,166 We want to talk to him. 399 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,204 I can page him for you. 400 00:16:50,902 --> 00:16:53,212 Uh, excuse me, are your guards bonded? 401 00:16:53,271 --> 00:16:55,080 We do extensive background checks. 402 00:16:55,140 --> 00:16:57,245 Criminal history, references, the works. 403 00:16:57,308 --> 00:16:58,787 ED: Fingerprints? 404 00:16:58,843 --> 00:17:00,151 Absolutely. 405 00:17:01,412 --> 00:17:02,584 What else you got in the bag? 406 00:17:02,647 --> 00:17:04,594 How's it going, Mr. Campbell? 407 00:17:04,650 --> 00:17:06,823 I'll be with you fellas in a minute. You got a receipt? 408 00:17:06,886 --> 00:17:08,422 No, I think you're gonna come with us now. 409 00:17:08,487 --> 00:17:09,761 Come with you where? 410 00:17:09,822 --> 00:17:11,495 Look, I told you guys everything I know. 411 00:17:11,557 --> 00:17:13,969 Well, we think there's a few details you left out. 412 00:17:14,026 --> 00:17:15,334 How does it feel? 413 00:17:16,395 --> 00:17:19,205 Put this T-shirt back and consider yourself lucky. 414 00:17:23,402 --> 00:17:26,213 LUKE: I told you before, I've never met anyone named Foley. 415 00:17:26,273 --> 00:17:30,278 Then maybe you can explain why your prints were in his apartment? 416 00:17:30,343 --> 00:17:32,914 Prints don't lie, Mr. Campbell. You were there. 417 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,622 Look, you seem like a decent, hardworking guy. 418 00:17:36,683 --> 00:17:38,424 You got no criminal record. 419 00:17:38,485 --> 00:17:40,556 Why don't you just tell us what happened. 420 00:17:40,620 --> 00:17:42,622 Help yourself out, man. 421 00:17:42,689 --> 00:17:44,226 You say that fingerprints don't lie, 422 00:17:44,292 --> 00:17:46,568 but that is not true, not all the time. 423 00:17:47,261 --> 00:17:48,331 Are you talking about your brother? 424 00:17:48,396 --> 00:17:51,070 They said his fingerprints were on that gun, but they weren't. 425 00:17:51,132 --> 00:17:52,406 And you know this how? 426 00:17:52,466 --> 00:17:54,503 'Cause Bobby was innocent. 427 00:17:55,503 --> 00:17:57,483 An eyewitness identified him. 428 00:17:57,772 --> 00:17:58,978 And his co-defendant. 429 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,178 That witness was lying. 430 00:18:00,241 --> 00:18:02,221 Oh, so now everybody's lied right? 431 00:18:03,978 --> 00:18:06,220 Look, I know how it sounds. 432 00:18:06,882 --> 00:18:08,828 But I didn't know what else to do. 433 00:18:08,884 --> 00:18:10,659 So you went there to even the score. 434 00:18:10,719 --> 00:18:12,528 No. It wasn't like that. 435 00:18:12,588 --> 00:18:14,465 Then what was it like? 436 00:18:15,224 --> 00:18:16,999 (SIGHS) 437 00:18:17,459 --> 00:18:19,336 Bobby said to let the lawyers handle it, 438 00:18:19,394 --> 00:18:21,396 but they've been handling it almost 12 years, 439 00:18:21,463 --> 00:18:23,170 and nothing's happened. 440 00:18:25,869 --> 00:18:29,248 When Foley came to the door, he knew right away who I was. 441 00:18:29,305 --> 00:18:30,375 HOW? 442 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,044 I don't know, he just did. 443 00:18:32,108 --> 00:18:33,883 I bet he was real glad to see you. 444 00:18:33,943 --> 00:18:35,980 I told him what he was doing was wrong. 445 00:18:36,045 --> 00:18:38,821 That my brother shouldn't be serving time for a crime he didn't commit. 446 00:18:38,882 --> 00:18:40,020 And what? 447 00:18:40,083 --> 00:18:42,620 Did you think he was just gonna confess? 448 00:18:43,286 --> 00:18:45,665 I don't know what I thought, but when I told him, 449 00:18:45,723 --> 00:18:48,670 he just laughed, tried to close the door on me. 450 00:18:48,726 --> 00:18:51,229 BRISCOE: And you wouldn't take "no" for an answer. 451 00:18:51,295 --> 00:18:54,174 I got past him, then I just started 452 00:18:54,865 --> 00:18:57,744 looking around for, I don't know, 453 00:18:57,801 --> 00:19:00,008 proof or something. 454 00:19:00,070 --> 00:19:02,311 That's when he grabbed me, around my neck. 455 00:19:03,641 --> 00:19:05,588 I told him to let go but he wouldn't. 456 00:19:05,644 --> 00:19:07,317 And so I just pushed back and 457 00:19:09,147 --> 00:19:11,957 we fell, he must have hit his head. 458 00:19:12,717 --> 00:19:15,891 You got that right. Half his brains were on the floor. 459 00:19:21,459 --> 00:19:24,235 I go up to see Bobby twice a month 460 00:19:24,529 --> 00:19:26,703 ever since I was old enough to drive. 461 00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:29,579 For the last six months 462 00:19:30,803 --> 00:19:34,615 I've seen him giving up, giving up hope. 463 00:19:37,209 --> 00:19:39,280 You don't know what it's like seeing your older brother 464 00:19:39,345 --> 00:19:41,222 give up on his life. 465 00:19:43,416 --> 00:19:46,864 He's been rotting away in that prison for 12 years, 466 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,593 for a crime he didn't commit. 467 00:19:48,655 --> 00:19:51,465 And this was my one chance to prove his innocence. 468 00:19:52,926 --> 00:19:54,837 And now the guy's dead. 469 00:19:56,229 --> 00:19:57,469 (SNIFFLING) 470 00:20:01,268 --> 00:20:02,406 Self-defense. 471 00:20:02,469 --> 00:20:04,278 His lawyer served notice at arraignments. 472 00:20:04,338 --> 00:20:07,411 Awfully difficult claim to make out in another man's apartment. 473 00:20:07,475 --> 00:20:09,386 There was also a PS, no plea. 474 00:20:10,545 --> 00:20:12,081 Was this lawyer just over confident 475 00:20:12,146 --> 00:20:14,023 or does he know something we don't? 476 00:20:14,082 --> 00:20:16,995 Lieutenant Van Buren was the lead detective in the original case. 477 00:20:17,051 --> 00:20:18,860 Back when I was in Narcotics. 478 00:20:19,454 --> 00:20:20,626 Is there anyway they can make it seem 479 00:20:20,688 --> 00:20:22,133 like there's any truth to what he's saying? 480 00:20:22,190 --> 00:20:23,828 That his brother's innocent? 481 00:20:23,891 --> 00:20:25,063 I don't see how. 482 00:20:25,126 --> 00:20:27,505 There was also a witness. Brenda Warren. 483 00:20:27,563 --> 00:20:28,837 JACK: How reliable was she? 484 00:20:28,897 --> 00:20:30,899 Reliable enough to convince a jury. 485 00:20:30,966 --> 00:20:33,640 Bobby Campbell's prints were also found on the murder weapon 486 00:20:33,702 --> 00:20:37,081 and his co-defendant's blood type matched the blood at the scene. 487 00:20:37,139 --> 00:20:38,709 Doesn't matter. 488 00:20:38,774 --> 00:20:42,119 Defense counsel's still gonna try your case all over again anyway. 489 00:20:42,177 --> 00:20:43,679 Can they do that? 490 00:20:43,746 --> 00:20:45,157 Propensity for violence. 491 00:20:45,214 --> 00:20:48,924 If Luke Campbell can suggest Foley was the killer in his brother's case, 492 00:20:48,985 --> 00:20:51,795 he might get a jury to believe Foley was the aggressor in this one. 493 00:20:51,855 --> 00:20:54,233 How many bites do these guys get? 494 00:20:54,290 --> 00:20:56,770 JACK: We need to re-interview your witness. 495 00:20:58,428 --> 00:21:00,908 Brenda Warren had a drug problem. 496 00:21:00,964 --> 00:21:02,944 Was there any connection between her and Campbell? 497 00:21:02,999 --> 00:21:04,307 Any motive for her to lie? 498 00:21:04,367 --> 00:21:07,110 I never found one. Neither did Campbell's lawyer. 499 00:21:07,171 --> 00:21:09,674 We had the guy's fingerprints. 500 00:21:09,740 --> 00:21:12,311 Well, it's been 10 years, maybe they won't be able to find her. 501 00:21:12,376 --> 00:21:14,652 But if they do, I don't want to take any chances, 502 00:21:14,712 --> 00:21:18,626 the defense finds some way to shake her original trial testimony. 503 00:21:18,683 --> 00:21:21,163 We'll make sure all our I's are dotted and our T's are crossed. 504 00:21:21,218 --> 00:21:22,959 They were 12 years ago. 505 00:21:26,490 --> 00:21:29,870 I don't understand, I testified at the trial. They were both convicted. 506 00:21:29,928 --> 00:21:31,339 SERENA: And we're very grateful to you for that. 507 00:21:31,396 --> 00:21:32,670 It's just, some things have come up 508 00:21:32,731 --> 00:21:35,177 that might make some people ask you about what happened again. 509 00:21:35,233 --> 00:21:37,611 What are you talking about? What things? 510 00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:39,808 Honey, could you just give us a minute. 511 00:21:40,505 --> 00:21:41,506 Sure. 512 00:21:45,010 --> 00:21:46,045 What things? 513 00:21:46,111 --> 00:21:48,251 Another man has been killed. 514 00:21:49,081 --> 00:21:50,151 I don't understand. 515 00:21:50,516 --> 00:21:51,790 Well, the person who's been arrested 516 00:21:51,851 --> 00:21:54,354 was the brother of one of the men you testified against. 517 00:21:54,420 --> 00:21:55,421 He's after me? 518 00:21:55,488 --> 00:21:57,525 No, no. It's nothing like that. 519 00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:59,228 Then what? SERENA: Well, this man claims 520 00:21:59,292 --> 00:22:00,293 his brother was innocent. 521 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:01,565 That the man he killed a few days ago 522 00:22:01,627 --> 00:22:04,164 was the real murderer in the case you testified in. 523 00:22:04,730 --> 00:22:07,074 How... How could this happen? 524 00:22:07,501 --> 00:22:10,675 Some lawyers may come by here and try to speak with you. 525 00:22:10,738 --> 00:22:12,945 No. No more lawyers. I'm not talking to any more lawyers. 526 00:22:13,006 --> 00:22:16,112 All you have to do, Miss Warren, is confirm what you said at trial. 527 00:22:16,176 --> 00:22:18,622 No. I am not going through this again. 528 00:22:18,679 --> 00:22:20,920 Listen, I pulled my life together after this trial. 529 00:22:20,981 --> 00:22:22,585 I got straight. I got my GED. 530 00:22:22,649 --> 00:22:25,027 You can't just walk in here and start accusing me of lying. 531 00:22:25,085 --> 00:22:27,190 We're not accusing you of anything, Miss Warren. 532 00:22:28,089 --> 00:22:30,228 I think you should both just leave. 533 00:22:30,291 --> 00:22:32,237 SERENA: They can subpoena you. 534 00:22:32,293 --> 00:22:33,931 I want you to go. 535 00:22:34,395 --> 00:22:35,635 We can subpoena you too. 536 00:22:35,697 --> 00:22:38,439 Well, then I'll just say I don't remember. 537 00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:39,535 Miss Warren, please. 538 00:22:39,601 --> 00:22:41,478 No. I said get out of my house! 539 00:22:45,607 --> 00:22:47,644 Hope she was a little more cooperative than that at the trial. 540 00:22:47,709 --> 00:22:50,054 Well, she testified over 12 years ago 541 00:22:50,112 --> 00:22:51,716 and now we show up at her door and ask her to go 542 00:22:51,780 --> 00:22:53,418 through it all over again. 543 00:22:53,482 --> 00:22:54,688 It doesn't surprise me. 544 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:56,024 Oh, come on, you're not gonna really tell me 545 00:22:56,085 --> 00:22:57,428 something else wasn't going on back there 546 00:22:57,486 --> 00:22:58,794 other than a little reluctance? 547 00:22:58,854 --> 00:23:01,801 I don't know what was going on, Serena, and neither do you. 548 00:23:03,125 --> 00:23:04,331 Well, what about the reward money? 549 00:23:04,393 --> 00:23:05,667 She was a crack addict, right? 550 00:23:05,728 --> 00:23:08,300 She didn't know about the reward before she came forward. 551 00:23:08,365 --> 00:23:09,742 Look, she was a junkie. 552 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,576 Maybe her new husband doesn't know anything about that. 553 00:23:12,636 --> 00:23:14,206 Who knows what she's afraid of now. 554 00:23:14,271 --> 00:23:17,047 Well, whatever it is, we better find it before defense counsel does. 555 00:23:17,107 --> 00:23:19,053 Well, even if she does change her story, 556 00:23:19,109 --> 00:23:21,885 we still have Campbell's prints on the murder weapon. 557 00:23:26,049 --> 00:23:29,657 You're joking, right? You're talking about a case that's over 12 years old. 558 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,529 Well, you keep your records somewhere, don't you? 559 00:23:31,589 --> 00:23:34,263 Why do you need them? Campbell's kid brother is makin' noise 560 00:23:34,325 --> 00:23:36,396 about him being innocent. 561 00:23:36,460 --> 00:23:38,701 Apple doesn't fall far, does it? 562 00:23:38,763 --> 00:23:40,071 SERENA: Look, I know it's a little inconvenient 563 00:23:40,131 --> 00:23:42,304 but we have a situation now that we need to deal with. 564 00:23:42,366 --> 00:23:43,606 What kind of situation? 565 00:23:43,668 --> 00:23:46,877 The eyewitness, we tracked her down just to cover all the bases. 566 00:23:46,938 --> 00:23:48,417 She acted a little skittish. 567 00:23:48,472 --> 00:23:49,543 We're not sure we're gonna be able 568 00:23:49,608 --> 00:23:51,144 to count on her this time around. 569 00:23:51,410 --> 00:23:53,686 Oh, well, you may have more of a situation than you thought. 570 00:23:53,745 --> 00:23:56,055 VAN BUREN: What do you mean? Well, we archive all the physical reports 571 00:23:56,114 --> 00:23:57,787 once the guy's last appeal's denied. 572 00:23:58,050 --> 00:24:00,291 Tell me who to contact and I'll have the file requisitioned. 573 00:24:00,352 --> 00:24:03,231 Remember that water main that burst about five years ago? 574 00:24:03,288 --> 00:24:04,733 Don't tell us. 575 00:24:04,790 --> 00:24:05,791 Yeah. 576 00:24:05,858 --> 00:24:08,031 Flooded our record room downtown. 577 00:24:08,093 --> 00:24:10,870 Campbell's prints are probably in the Gulf Stream by now. 578 00:24:12,232 --> 00:24:14,872 Whoever said that justice delayed was justice denied, 579 00:24:14,934 --> 00:24:16,777 obviously never worked in the system. 580 00:24:16,836 --> 00:24:19,646 This witness recants, it's a whole new ball game for both the Campbells. 581 00:24:19,706 --> 00:24:21,777 Well, with any luck, it won't come down to this witness. 582 00:24:21,841 --> 00:24:23,980 The fingerprint lift is definitely gone, 583 00:24:24,043 --> 00:24:27,490 but the CSU techs take photos of the dusted prints before they lift them. 584 00:24:27,547 --> 00:24:29,323 The police department still has those. 585 00:24:29,383 --> 00:24:31,954 They're in an evidence locker in Brooklyn. 586 00:24:32,019 --> 00:24:33,225 JACK: We're sure they're still there? 587 00:24:33,287 --> 00:24:35,460 I sent Briscoe and Green over there this afternoon 588 00:24:35,522 --> 00:24:37,627 to walk them to the lab themselves. 589 00:24:37,691 --> 00:24:40,331 Well, call them back and tell them to pick them up. 590 00:24:40,394 --> 00:24:42,374 I'm not having the same lab do the test, 591 00:24:42,429 --> 00:24:43,965 that lost the results in the first place. 592 00:24:44,732 --> 00:24:47,076 I know this fingerprint examiner. 593 00:24:47,134 --> 00:24:49,445 She's been with the department 19 years. 594 00:24:49,504 --> 00:24:52,417 I'm not questioning her professionalism, Lieutenant. 595 00:24:52,474 --> 00:24:55,751 I'd just rather not give defense counsel any ammunition to argue 596 00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:59,223 that the lab that couldn't even keep their evidence dry shouldn't be trusted. 597 00:25:00,248 --> 00:25:01,955 Who do you want to do the analysis? 598 00:25:03,385 --> 00:25:05,763 Send the photos over to the FBI. 599 00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:08,460 In the meantime, let's see if we can't get a DNA comparison 600 00:25:08,523 --> 00:25:11,664 on the blood that was linked to Campbell's co-defendant. 601 00:25:11,727 --> 00:25:13,035 Yeah. Anita, your detectives 602 00:25:13,095 --> 00:25:14,631 dropped them off a few hours ago. 603 00:25:14,697 --> 00:25:16,699 I was just about to take a look at 'em. 604 00:25:16,766 --> 00:25:18,803 You know, it's gonna be fun working with you again. 605 00:25:18,868 --> 00:25:21,678 Well, there's been a little change in plans, Lisa. 606 00:25:21,737 --> 00:25:23,410 What happened? The kid took a plea? 607 00:25:23,472 --> 00:25:27,852 Actually, the D.A.'s gonna have the FBI lab do the fingerprint analysis. 608 00:25:30,380 --> 00:25:32,883 The FBI? Why, for God sake? 609 00:25:33,216 --> 00:25:35,389 Well, there's just a feeling that the loss 610 00:25:35,452 --> 00:25:37,454 of the original file could be used 611 00:25:37,521 --> 00:25:39,523 by some lawyer as a smokescreen. 612 00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:41,433 Oh, so now a broken water main is my fault. 613 00:25:41,491 --> 00:25:44,995 It's no one's fault. They just don't want to create a problem 614 00:25:45,062 --> 00:25:46,336 if they don't have to. 615 00:25:47,030 --> 00:25:48,509 Well, it's ridiculous. 616 00:25:48,966 --> 00:25:50,104 I'm the lab supervisor. 617 00:25:50,167 --> 00:25:51,476 You know, no one's gonna embarrass me, 618 00:25:51,536 --> 00:25:53,140 especially some defense lawyer. 619 00:25:53,271 --> 00:25:54,841 That's exactly what I told them. 620 00:25:54,906 --> 00:25:56,249 I mean, how many hours did you and I 621 00:25:56,307 --> 00:25:58,287 put into this case in the first place? 622 00:25:58,343 --> 00:25:59,686 Too many to count. 623 00:25:59,744 --> 00:26:02,384 Look, this conviction helped me get off the lieutenant's list 624 00:26:02,447 --> 00:26:03,926 after I took the exam. 625 00:26:03,981 --> 00:26:06,052 I am not gonna let this guy slip away now. 626 00:26:06,584 --> 00:26:09,030 Well, it's not right, Anita, and you know it. 627 00:26:09,854 --> 00:26:11,198 Take 'em. 628 00:26:20,933 --> 00:26:22,241 What are we looking at? 629 00:26:22,301 --> 00:26:24,645 They're called ridge characteristics, 630 00:26:24,703 --> 00:26:27,240 areas where the ridges at the end of the fingertips 631 00:26:27,306 --> 00:26:29,286 abruptly end or split. 632 00:26:29,341 --> 00:26:31,413 If two prints share enough of these, they match. 633 00:26:31,778 --> 00:26:32,950 I always thought you just laid prints 634 00:26:33,012 --> 00:26:34,889 on top of one another like tracing paper. 635 00:26:34,948 --> 00:26:36,928 It's common misperception. 636 00:26:36,983 --> 00:26:39,896 Latent prints are often smudged, or overlap. 637 00:26:39,953 --> 00:26:41,455 Plus, the pressure you press down with 638 00:26:41,521 --> 00:26:43,091 changes how a print looks. 639 00:26:43,156 --> 00:26:45,136 We're actually comparing very different things 640 00:26:45,191 --> 00:26:47,364 and trying to say they're similar enough. 641 00:26:47,660 --> 00:26:49,333 How similar do they have to be? 642 00:26:49,396 --> 00:26:53,038 Well, different labs have different minimum numbers of matching detail. 643 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:54,340 There's no universal standard? 644 00:26:54,702 --> 00:26:57,239 Some require 10 for a match, others 15. 645 00:26:57,338 --> 00:26:58,749 New York City has no minimum number. 646 00:26:58,806 --> 00:27:02,083 Each individual examiner has his own standard. 647 00:27:02,143 --> 00:27:04,214 So what about our print? 648 00:27:04,278 --> 00:27:06,087 Well, according to the trial transcript, 649 00:27:06,147 --> 00:27:07,888 your original examiner testified 650 00:27:07,948 --> 00:27:10,155 that she observed six matching points, 651 00:27:10,217 --> 00:27:11,754 which is her minimum number. 652 00:27:12,087 --> 00:27:13,464 Isn't that enough? 653 00:27:13,522 --> 00:27:16,799 First of all, six is an extremely low number. 654 00:27:16,858 --> 00:27:20,635 But more importantly, I couldn't even figure out how she'd found six. 655 00:27:20,696 --> 00:27:22,505 I mean, they just aren't there. 656 00:27:22,597 --> 00:27:24,577 And all this means what? It's not Campbell's print? 657 00:27:24,766 --> 00:27:27,007 I can't really say whose it is. 658 00:27:27,069 --> 00:27:29,071 What I can say, is that your examiner 659 00:27:29,137 --> 00:27:31,550 never should have testified that this print was a match 660 00:27:31,607 --> 00:27:33,314 with Campbell's to begin with. 661 00:27:36,779 --> 00:27:38,224 It's that subjective? 662 00:27:39,081 --> 00:27:42,426 JACK: It's bound to be. They're trying to judge similarities. 663 00:27:42,485 --> 00:27:43,520 What about the eyewitness? 664 00:27:43,586 --> 00:27:45,395 Lieutenant Van Buren and I re-interviewed her. 665 00:27:45,455 --> 00:27:47,435 She was extremely uncooperative. 666 00:27:47,490 --> 00:27:48,969 So then there is a reasonable chance 667 00:27:49,025 --> 00:27:51,403 that Campbell has been wrongfully convicted. 668 00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:54,169 We should know more once the DNA on the blood comes back. 669 00:27:54,231 --> 00:27:55,869 Either way it means his brother's 670 00:27:55,933 --> 00:27:59,005 going to be able to raise questions about Foley in his case as well. 671 00:27:59,069 --> 00:28:01,845 You know, Russo's been in that lab for 19 years. 672 00:28:02,106 --> 00:28:04,245 What if she's had her finger on the scale all along? 673 00:28:04,508 --> 00:28:07,489 No telling how many cases get reversed if that's true. 674 00:28:07,544 --> 00:28:10,718 But I'd rather not open the floodgates based on speculation. 675 00:28:11,114 --> 00:28:13,152 Randomly test 20 of her cases. 676 00:28:14,219 --> 00:28:16,893 Let's find out if we got a cop in a lab coat. 677 00:28:17,822 --> 00:28:20,928 I found seven false positives out of the 20 that I tested. 678 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,631 It's almost a third. Statistically, it's impossible 679 00:28:24,696 --> 00:28:27,404 that she just kept making that many mistakes. 680 00:28:27,465 --> 00:28:29,172 And it gets worse. How? 681 00:28:29,801 --> 00:28:31,906 The original forensics team recovered 682 00:28:32,003 --> 00:28:34,541 over a dozen partial prints from inside the car 683 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,244 where the victim had been shot. 684 00:28:36,308 --> 00:28:39,414 Now, fortunately, those prints were kept in a file at another location. 685 00:28:39,478 --> 00:28:43,358 At the time, this examiner declared them all unidentifiable. 686 00:28:43,415 --> 00:28:44,792 That wasn't true. 687 00:28:45,584 --> 00:28:47,461 FBI agent found a print in the vehicle 688 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,227 with an eight point comparison. 689 00:28:49,288 --> 00:28:52,531 AFIS spit out a possible, belongs to a guy named Ray Gifford. 690 00:28:52,592 --> 00:28:53,662 Who's he? 691 00:28:53,727 --> 00:28:56,264 He and Foley were arrested together over a half dozen times. 692 00:28:56,329 --> 00:28:57,569 Where's Gifford now? 693 00:28:57,631 --> 00:29:01,511 In a state prison in Florida doing life without parole on a drug sale. 694 00:29:01,601 --> 00:29:03,205 An eight point comparison. 695 00:29:04,971 --> 00:29:06,712 So you never looked into Gifford? 696 00:29:06,973 --> 00:29:10,318 I never even heard of him or Foley until a few weeks ago. 697 00:29:10,377 --> 00:29:14,019 I had an eyewitness who had already ID'd Campbell and Martin, 698 00:29:14,081 --> 00:29:15,924 and then the print came back. 699 00:29:15,983 --> 00:29:18,156 SERENA: The only theory of the case had two assailants. 700 00:29:18,219 --> 00:29:20,529 Foley's prints are as good a match to the print on the gun 701 00:29:20,588 --> 00:29:22,067 as Campbell's, and he admitted the killing 702 00:29:22,123 --> 00:29:23,932 to our friend Edwards up in Sing Sing. 703 00:29:24,225 --> 00:29:26,398 And Brenda Warren ran drugs for Gifford. 704 00:29:27,195 --> 00:29:30,233 So if Gifford and Foley committed the murder, 705 00:29:30,298 --> 00:29:32,073 it means Campbell and Martin were innocent. 706 00:29:34,670 --> 00:29:36,343 I don't understand. 707 00:29:37,272 --> 00:29:40,014 Does this Russo just make stuff up out of whole cloth? 708 00:29:40,075 --> 00:29:44,023 Jack, I have known Lisa Russo a long time. 709 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,218 She has always been good people 710 00:29:46,281 --> 00:29:48,022 and the best in the lab. 711 00:29:48,083 --> 00:29:51,462 The FBI found seven other false positives that weren't even close. 712 00:29:52,855 --> 00:29:56,099 JACK: Get the paperwork started to get Campbell released. 713 00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:58,469 SERENA: What do you want to do about Brenda Warren? 714 00:29:59,862 --> 00:30:01,933 Pick her up for perjury. 715 00:30:09,038 --> 00:30:11,018 Bobby Campbell was just released. 716 00:30:11,074 --> 00:30:13,418 And I made arrangements for Luke Campbell to be there when he was. 717 00:30:13,476 --> 00:30:15,957 We dismissed Luke Campbell's case, right? 718 00:30:16,013 --> 00:30:19,017 His older brother just spent more than 12 years in jail 719 00:30:19,083 --> 00:30:20,528 for a crime he didn't commit. 720 00:30:20,584 --> 00:30:21,961 There isn't a jury in the world 721 00:30:22,019 --> 00:30:23,692 that would reject self-defense and convict him. 722 00:30:23,754 --> 00:30:25,700 I'm not sure I'd want to ask them to anyway. 723 00:30:26,623 --> 00:30:29,399 What are our chances if we go after Russo for manslaughter? 724 00:30:30,561 --> 00:30:32,905 We'd have to show she knowingly lied 725 00:30:32,963 --> 00:30:35,103 and that her lie led to Martin's death. 726 00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:37,836 But, for all we know, she was using her judgment. 727 00:30:38,536 --> 00:30:41,449 The system can't be based just on judgment calls. 728 00:30:41,506 --> 00:30:43,543 There has to be a set of standards. 729 00:30:43,608 --> 00:30:45,815 Standards might not take into account 730 00:30:45,877 --> 00:30:48,585 the complexity of fingerprint analysis. 731 00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:51,753 Everything in the system relies on people's judgment, Nora. 732 00:30:51,816 --> 00:30:53,796 But when people cross the line, 733 00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:55,332 they need to be held accountable. 734 00:30:55,388 --> 00:30:58,062 We have no proof that Russo knowingly lied. 735 00:30:58,124 --> 00:31:00,502 Every one of her so called mistakes 736 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,369 was made in favor of the prosecution. 737 00:31:02,428 --> 00:31:06,899 To me, that means, she was neither mistaken nor is she incompetent. 738 00:31:06,966 --> 00:31:12,245 We'd also have to prove that Martin's death was a foreseeable consequence. 739 00:31:12,338 --> 00:31:13,817 In Sing Sing? Yeah. 740 00:31:14,775 --> 00:31:17,779 Prison officials won't like us airing their laundry. 741 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:21,156 Then they should clean up their act. 742 00:31:24,418 --> 00:31:25,829 What now? 743 00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:29,291 I need you to come down to the precinct. 744 00:31:29,356 --> 00:31:30,630 I've got a lab to run. 745 00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:31,930 Get somebody to cover. 746 00:31:31,992 --> 00:31:33,972 I'm giving you a heads up here, Lisa. 747 00:31:34,027 --> 00:31:35,735 You know what, Anita, 748 00:31:35,797 --> 00:31:38,073 I'm done being polite because we're friends. 749 00:31:38,132 --> 00:31:40,305 I even watched while you people let a convicted murderer 750 00:31:40,368 --> 00:31:41,847 walk out the door. 751 00:31:41,903 --> 00:31:43,644 I'm not gonna be quiet anymore. 752 00:31:43,705 --> 00:31:46,276 Well, if you do start talking, I have to warn you 753 00:31:46,341 --> 00:31:48,048 you have the right to remain silent. 754 00:31:48,109 --> 00:31:49,520 What the hell is this? Lisa Russo, you're under arrest 755 00:31:49,577 --> 00:31:52,387 for manslaughter in the death of Larry Martin. 756 00:31:54,248 --> 00:31:55,626 You have the right to an attorney. 757 00:31:55,684 --> 00:31:58,460 If you cannot afford one, one will be provided for you. 758 00:31:58,554 --> 00:32:00,556 You understand these rights... 759 00:32:03,425 --> 00:32:05,530 She's a civil servant what are you arraigning her on? 760 00:32:05,594 --> 00:32:06,664 JACK: Man two. 761 00:32:06,729 --> 00:32:07,935 SERENA: And there's no offer. 762 00:32:07,996 --> 00:32:11,205 Oh, come on. You don't have a chance at trial and you know it. 763 00:32:11,967 --> 00:32:13,378 She'll take an unpaid leave for six months, 764 00:32:13,435 --> 00:32:15,108 go through rigorous retraining. 765 00:32:15,170 --> 00:32:16,707 This isn't a negotiation. 766 00:32:16,773 --> 00:32:18,047 You're right. 767 00:32:18,108 --> 00:32:21,248 Without proof that she acted with any criminal intent, it's a witch-hunt. 768 00:32:21,311 --> 00:32:23,655 Your client got up in a court of law and lied, 769 00:32:23,713 --> 00:32:27,217 knowing these juries would rely on her testimony. 770 00:32:27,283 --> 00:32:28,921 Innocent men were sent to prison. 771 00:32:28,985 --> 00:32:30,726 One of them's dead because of it. 772 00:32:30,787 --> 00:32:32,824 Any way you cut it, it's manslaughter. 773 00:32:32,889 --> 00:32:34,368 (SIGHS DEEPLY) 774 00:32:34,424 --> 00:32:36,166 I can't believe this. 775 00:32:36,694 --> 00:32:39,106 You would send me to jail for doing my job? 776 00:32:39,163 --> 00:32:41,302 Not a word, Lisa. Not another word. 777 00:32:41,365 --> 00:32:42,742 We're done. 778 00:32:52,109 --> 00:32:55,283 Larry and I were doing construction back in '90. 779 00:32:55,346 --> 00:32:58,692 JACK: What, if anything, happened on June 8th of that year? 780 00:32:59,351 --> 00:33:02,525 Two detectives came and arrested us for murder. 781 00:33:02,587 --> 00:33:04,658 They said they had a witness that saw me and Larry 782 00:33:04,723 --> 00:33:06,498 kill some guy near the job site. 783 00:33:06,558 --> 00:33:08,231 What did you think at the time? 784 00:33:08,293 --> 00:33:11,331 Well, at first I wasn't scared. 785 00:33:11,396 --> 00:33:12,898 I mean, I was innocent. 786 00:33:13,832 --> 00:33:15,436 I didn't know who this guy was, 787 00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:17,139 or how he got killed, or anything like that. 788 00:33:17,203 --> 00:33:20,548 Then this one female detective came to see me in jail. 789 00:33:20,606 --> 00:33:23,280 Said they'd matched my fingerprints with the gun. 790 00:33:24,243 --> 00:33:27,053 After that it was like a nightmare. 791 00:33:27,914 --> 00:33:29,188 What happened? 792 00:33:29,916 --> 00:33:31,793 The jury convicted me. 793 00:33:32,185 --> 00:33:34,290 Judge gave me 25-to-life. 794 00:33:35,254 --> 00:33:36,859 How did that affect you? 795 00:33:39,726 --> 00:33:42,263 My wife and I tried to hold it together, 796 00:33:42,329 --> 00:33:44,331 but finally got divorced. 797 00:33:45,566 --> 00:33:47,603 She thought it would be better for our baby 798 00:33:47,668 --> 00:33:51,241 if he didn't have to deal with a father that was in prison. 799 00:33:52,806 --> 00:33:54,547 She was right, but, 800 00:33:56,110 --> 00:33:58,557 my kid had to grow up without me. 801 00:34:00,381 --> 00:34:02,019 And Larry Martin? 802 00:34:02,450 --> 00:34:05,693 Three years ago, Larry got shanked by another inmate. 803 00:34:06,287 --> 00:34:07,664 He died in the infirmary. 804 00:34:09,791 --> 00:34:12,271 Larry just wasn't cut out for prison life. 805 00:34:15,363 --> 00:34:16,467 Nothing further. 806 00:34:22,838 --> 00:34:24,511 You testified at your trial 807 00:34:24,573 --> 00:34:27,019 that you were home with your wife on the day of the shooting? 808 00:34:27,076 --> 00:34:28,453 Yes. 809 00:34:28,510 --> 00:34:30,183 But a witness identified you and Mr. Martin 810 00:34:30,246 --> 00:34:31,919 as the two men who were running from the victim's auto 811 00:34:31,981 --> 00:34:33,722 after the shots, isn't that right? 812 00:34:33,782 --> 00:34:37,492 All I know is I spent 12 years in prison for a crime I didn't commit. 813 00:34:37,554 --> 00:34:38,692 So you say, 814 00:34:39,255 --> 00:34:41,861 but the witness never changed her story, did she? 815 00:34:41,925 --> 00:34:43,836 Even after she was arrested for perjury. 816 00:34:43,894 --> 00:34:45,032 Objection. 817 00:34:45,395 --> 00:34:46,772 JUDGE: Sustained. 818 00:34:48,598 --> 00:34:50,202 Nothing further. 819 00:34:53,970 --> 00:34:57,544 JACK: Mr. Foster, did you examine a latent print in this case, 820 00:34:57,608 --> 00:34:59,849 and compare it to the prints of Bobby Campbell? 821 00:34:59,911 --> 00:35:01,822 Yes, I did. What were your findings? 822 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,824 Well, the print on the firearm was of no value. 823 00:35:04,882 --> 00:35:07,385 I could not determine that it belonged to Mr. Campbell. 824 00:35:07,451 --> 00:35:10,762 Did you also examine 20 other sets of latent prints 825 00:35:10,822 --> 00:35:12,426 that had previously been examined 826 00:35:12,490 --> 00:35:14,333 and identified by the defendant? 827 00:35:14,392 --> 00:35:16,463 Yes. And in seven out of the 20, 828 00:35:16,527 --> 00:35:18,804 I found she'd made false positives. 829 00:35:18,864 --> 00:35:20,866 What conclusions did you draw from that? 830 00:35:20,933 --> 00:35:22,674 The comparisons that she was making 831 00:35:22,734 --> 00:35:25,840 were so far below any standard that, in my opinion, 832 00:35:25,904 --> 00:35:29,113 her testimony in those cases was knowingly false. 833 00:35:38,384 --> 00:35:41,297 How many points does the FBI use comparing prints? 834 00:35:41,354 --> 00:35:43,857 We don't rely on any minimum number at all. 835 00:35:43,923 --> 00:35:47,461 We rely on the expertise and the overall impression of the examiner. 836 00:35:48,061 --> 00:35:52,737 So, examiners are allowed to make matches based on, say, six points? 837 00:35:53,266 --> 00:35:55,712 Theoretically, but other factors... 838 00:35:55,768 --> 00:35:59,182 In fact, fingerprint analysis has never been scientifically tested, has it? 839 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,741 Objection. 840 00:36:00,808 --> 00:36:02,788 The technique's not on trial here, Your Honor, 841 00:36:02,843 --> 00:36:03,913 Miss Russo is. 842 00:36:03,978 --> 00:36:07,653 Your Honor, my client is being accused of intentional inaccuracy. 843 00:36:07,715 --> 00:36:10,559 I think we should be allowed to establish that the technique itself 844 00:36:10,618 --> 00:36:12,154 may be inaccurate and therefore to blame. 845 00:36:12,953 --> 00:36:14,296 I agree. 846 00:36:14,355 --> 00:36:16,392 But don't go too far astray, Mr. Rowan. 847 00:36:17,024 --> 00:36:19,027 The objection's overruled. 848 00:36:19,094 --> 00:36:21,301 The methodology is based on the premise 849 00:36:21,363 --> 00:36:24,435 that no two sets of fingerprints are alike. 850 00:36:24,499 --> 00:36:26,570 Yes, but no one really knows 851 00:36:26,635 --> 00:36:28,637 what the error rates are, do they? 852 00:36:29,271 --> 00:36:30,944 No. Which means you can't sit here today 853 00:36:31,006 --> 00:36:32,747 and tell us that print is not Campbell's? 854 00:36:32,807 --> 00:36:33,945 Well, I don't think it is... 855 00:36:34,009 --> 00:36:37,286 But you cannot absolutely exclude him, can you? 856 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,082 No, I can't. 857 00:36:46,822 --> 00:36:50,531 I observed six matching points between the latent print 858 00:36:50,593 --> 00:36:52,698 and the prints that were provided to me. 859 00:36:53,262 --> 00:36:56,038 Agent Foster testified that he couldn't find six. 860 00:36:56,432 --> 00:36:58,742 In my opinion he's being overly conservative. 861 00:36:59,069 --> 00:37:01,549 So two examiners can disagree in good faith. 862 00:37:01,605 --> 00:37:04,848 A good examiner uses his or her best judgment. 863 00:37:05,242 --> 00:37:08,280 The lab standard is 12, but that's a guideline only. 864 00:37:08,779 --> 00:37:10,816 And in the Campbell case, I used my judgment 865 00:37:10,881 --> 00:37:13,487 and relied on my expertise and experience. 866 00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:15,461 I've been doing that for over 19 years. 867 00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:17,157 Have you ever made a mistake? 868 00:37:17,321 --> 00:37:18,322 Well, I hope not. 869 00:37:18,422 --> 00:37:21,063 That would be a fingerprint examiner's worst nightmare. 870 00:37:21,859 --> 00:37:22,963 All I can say is 871 00:37:23,027 --> 00:37:25,598 that I performed my job the way I was trained to do it, 872 00:37:25,663 --> 00:37:28,439 and I did the very best that I could do. 873 00:37:38,142 --> 00:37:39,382 You said you thought 874 00:37:39,878 --> 00:37:42,324 that Agent Foster was being too conservative. 875 00:37:43,182 --> 00:37:44,661 That's right. 876 00:37:45,317 --> 00:37:46,990 And you're comfortable 877 00:37:47,052 --> 00:37:49,532 with a minimum number of six matching points? 878 00:37:49,588 --> 00:37:50,726 Yes. 879 00:37:50,789 --> 00:37:54,236 Are there other examiners in your lab who require more? 880 00:37:54,293 --> 00:37:56,603 Yes. It's a matter of professional judgment. 881 00:37:56,662 --> 00:37:58,767 But no one who relies on less. 882 00:37:59,398 --> 00:38:00,901 I suppose not. 883 00:38:04,004 --> 00:38:05,278 Does the name Simon Garrison 884 00:38:05,338 --> 00:38:07,340 mean anything to you, Miss Russo? 885 00:38:07,407 --> 00:38:08,886 Not off hand. 886 00:38:09,276 --> 00:38:10,983 How about the face? 887 00:38:13,213 --> 00:38:14,248 No. 888 00:38:14,314 --> 00:38:16,123 1998. 889 00:38:16,182 --> 00:38:19,254 Your testimony was the key piece of evidence against him. 890 00:38:19,319 --> 00:38:20,560 If you say so. 891 00:38:22,223 --> 00:38:23,896 Isn't it the case, 892 00:38:23,958 --> 00:38:27,428 that after four other examiners in your office 893 00:38:27,495 --> 00:38:29,202 had examined the prints 894 00:38:29,263 --> 00:38:31,265 and refused to declare a match, 895 00:38:31,332 --> 00:38:33,744 that you had the case reassigned to yourself? 896 00:38:33,801 --> 00:38:36,145 In my opinion, the prints were a match. 897 00:38:38,305 --> 00:38:39,909 How about John Quilty? 898 00:38:41,143 --> 00:38:44,522 Three other examiners refused, you declared a match. 899 00:38:45,147 --> 00:38:46,785 I don't remember. 900 00:38:46,848 --> 00:38:47,849 Danny Meyer. 901 00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:51,130 Again, three other examiners. 902 00:38:51,186 --> 00:38:53,564 Your Honor... I looked at the prints in those cases. 903 00:38:53,622 --> 00:38:56,501 They could be matched, so I reassigned them to myself. 904 00:38:56,558 --> 00:38:58,333 I don't see anything wrong with that. 905 00:38:58,393 --> 00:38:59,804 JACK: You don't? 906 00:39:00,462 --> 00:39:01,908 Case after case, 907 00:39:02,498 --> 00:39:04,136 you got on a witness stand, 908 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,202 cloaked in the aura of an expert, 909 00:39:06,269 --> 00:39:08,545 and declared a scientific certainty, 910 00:39:08,604 --> 00:39:11,141 when in fact, numerous other examiners, 911 00:39:11,207 --> 00:39:13,050 had said that they were not a match. 912 00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:15,783 I have 19 years experience. 913 00:39:15,845 --> 00:39:17,825 I use my best judgment. 914 00:39:18,114 --> 00:39:20,253 And your best judgment 915 00:39:20,316 --> 00:39:22,888 sent Bobby Campbell and Larry Martin to prison. 916 00:39:22,953 --> 00:39:23,954 Two innocent men! 917 00:39:24,021 --> 00:39:25,796 A jury did that. 918 00:39:25,856 --> 00:39:29,770 Relying on evidence testified to by you. 919 00:39:29,827 --> 00:39:33,138 There was also an eye witness, the same blood type. 920 00:39:33,197 --> 00:39:34,870 And you knew that, when you looked 921 00:39:34,932 --> 00:39:36,377 at those fingerprints didn't you? 922 00:39:36,433 --> 00:39:39,277 Oh, they were guilty. Everybody knew that. 923 00:39:39,336 --> 00:39:44,184 Not until you decided to declare the prints a match. 924 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,482 Madam Foreperson, have the members of the jury reached a verdict? 925 00:40:16,542 --> 00:40:18,317 Yes, we have, Your Honor. 926 00:40:18,377 --> 00:40:20,482 In the matter of the people of the state of New York 927 00:40:20,546 --> 00:40:23,187 against Lisa Russo, how do you find? 928 00:40:23,984 --> 00:40:26,794 On the charge of Manslaughter in the Second Degree, 929 00:40:26,853 --> 00:40:28,833 we the jury, find the defendant 930 00:40:28,889 --> 00:40:30,129 sunny, 931 00:40:30,457 --> 00:40:32,164 (PEOPLE MURMURING) 932 00:40:36,062 --> 00:40:38,042 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 933 00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:58,023 (KNOCKS ON DOOR) 934 00:40:58,252 --> 00:40:59,925 I finished those fives you wanted. 935 00:40:59,987 --> 00:41:01,261 Oh, thanks. 936 00:41:02,658 --> 00:41:04,069 (SIGHING) 937 00:41:05,827 --> 00:41:07,465 I'm fine, Lennie. 938 00:41:08,096 --> 00:41:09,803 I just wanted to make sure. 939 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,443 You know, you nudge a witness in the right direction at a line up, 940 00:41:15,137 --> 00:41:17,708 the gun was in plain view, 941 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,381 not under the seat. 942 00:41:21,477 --> 00:41:23,219 We do that all the time. 943 00:41:24,814 --> 00:41:27,693 You wouldn't have passed off those prints to the D.A. 944 00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:30,094 unless she told you there was a match. 945 00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:37,337 Closing that case got me noticed, Lennie. 946 00:41:41,931 --> 00:41:44,310 And I used to hear the whispers 947 00:41:44,368 --> 00:41:46,314 and the chatter behind my back. 948 00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:48,748 "She got it 'cause she's black." 949 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,652 "She got it 'cause she's a woman." 950 00:41:53,277 --> 00:41:55,382 And I never listened to that crap 951 00:41:55,446 --> 00:41:59,417 because I knew I had earned it. 952 00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:05,563 You made lieutenant because you're a great cop. 953 00:42:06,558 --> 00:42:08,299 All the drug collars you made, 954 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,136 all the killers you put behind bars. 955 00:42:11,196 --> 00:42:14,075 This one case isn't gonna undo all of that. 956 00:42:17,102 --> 00:42:19,013 I'm not so sure, Lennie. 957 00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:22,540 (SIGHS) 958 00:42:23,709 --> 00:42:25,814 I'm not so sure. 959 00:42:34,353 --> 00:42:35,696 (DOOR BUZZING) 960 00:42:40,092 --> 00:42:41,298 Thank you. 961 00:42:46,533 --> 00:42:49,480 If you came here to apologize, do us both a favor, 962 00:42:49,903 --> 00:42:52,577 don't. You know, I have been 963 00:42:53,173 --> 00:42:56,313 racking my brain trying to figure out 964 00:42:56,376 --> 00:42:59,357 if I gave you any signals that I wanted you to do this. 965 00:43:00,981 --> 00:43:04,122 Oh, so you came by to make yourself feel better. 966 00:43:04,185 --> 00:43:06,222 To confirm your moral superiority. 967 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,801 I want to know why you did it. 968 00:43:17,432 --> 00:43:20,106 Those were people's lives you were playing with. 969 00:43:20,168 --> 00:43:22,876 You know, I don't recall you crying so hard 970 00:43:22,937 --> 00:43:24,645 when you made first grade off this case. 971 00:43:24,706 --> 00:43:27,744 I never knew you lied! 972 00:43:27,810 --> 00:43:29,721 Oh, please! 973 00:43:29,778 --> 00:43:32,190 You people come in, you give me the evidence. 974 00:43:32,247 --> 00:43:34,659 You tell me, "See what you can come up with, Lisa." 975 00:43:34,717 --> 00:43:37,561 And I gave you exactly what you wanted. 976 00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:38,758 (PANTING) 977 00:43:38,821 --> 00:43:41,893 And you know what? You are the worst kind of hypocrite. 978 00:43:43,926 --> 00:43:45,907 And are you really gonna sit there 979 00:43:45,962 --> 00:43:49,000 and tell me that you don't blur the boundaries? 980 00:43:49,632 --> 00:43:51,202 Go home 981 00:43:51,668 --> 00:43:53,841 and look in the mirror, Anita. 982 00:43:53,903 --> 00:43:55,280 And when you do, 983 00:43:55,338 --> 00:43:58,979 you ask yourself is it right that I'm in here 984 00:43:59,042 --> 00:44:01,022 (SHOUTING) and you're not? 985 00:44:05,182 --> 00:44:06,525 Guard!