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NARRATOR:
In the criminal justice system
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the people are represented
by two separate
yet equally important groups,
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the police
who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Can't you hook up
with a guy who lives in
an elevator building?
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Quit bitchin',
we're here.
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Thank God, these
heels are killing me.
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Jimmy, you in there?
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Jimmy!
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He's with
that Connie Ditchko,
I'm gonna kill him.
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That Ukrainian girl?
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Oh, relax, he'll call
you tomorrow. Come on.
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Wait.
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What, Jimmy gave you
the keys to his crib?
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You only been
with him a month.
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He didn't give it
to me. I took it.
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Oh, you go, girl.
(SNICKERS)
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Jimmy!
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Jimmy!
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(GASPS) Oh, my God.
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(CRYING) Jimmy!
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Oh. my God!
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And the dead guy is
James Foley, 36.
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Girlfriend was supposed
to meet him at some club,
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he didn't show,
she came looking for him.
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I guess it was
the maid's week off.
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ED: Hmm. I'm no M.E.,
but it looks like
this guy
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got his head bashed in.
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Maybe they were fighting over
which TV show to watch.
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It's a lot of blood.
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Head wounds.
Bleed like crazy.
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Tell me about it.
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When I was a kid,
I fell off my bike,
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split my scalp
wide open.
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My mother thought
I was gonna die.
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How many stitches?
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Twenty-six.
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Beats me.
Most I ever got
was eight.
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Bobby Delillo split my lip
open playing stickball.
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(CHUCKLES) Stickball?
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Hey, Willie Mays
was a three sewer
stickball player.
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Guess he was
in the middle
of shaving.
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Mmm. Looks like
he missed a spot.
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Blunt force trauma,
skull fracture.
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Cause of death,
epidural bleeding.
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That never happened
playing stickball.
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CSU found blood splatters
on the television set,
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mixed with hair fibers
and skull particulate.
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Any chance
this was an accident?
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I did blood alcohol
and ran a tox screen.
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He'd had
a couple of drinks.
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But was he inebriated enough
to stagger around
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and pull the TV down
on top of himself?
I don't think so.
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So it was a homicide.
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I found fresh bruises
on his torso,
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consistent with
punches or blows.
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So what,
they waltz around,
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the perp picks up the TV set
and bashes his skull in?
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Or they tussle,
the perp shoves him,
he falls down.
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Irresistible force meets
immovable object.
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I also found some
blue synthetic fibers
on Foley's pants,
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which matched fibers
CSU pulled from
the window sill.
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That's a long shot.
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Well, lab says
these type of fibers
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are used to
make work clothes,
uniforms, jackets.
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Maybe the cable guy.
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Yeah right.
Like they ever show up.
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What about
the girlfriend?
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Witnesses put her
at the club at
the time of the murder.
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And these blue fibers?
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Maybe Foley was
a sucker for a uniform.
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There's no sign of a break-in.
According to the girlfriend,
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she had to use
her key to get in.
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So Foley's shaving,
gettin' ready
to go out.
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He buzzes the guy up,
lets him in.
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They fight,
Foley gets his head
smashed in,
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the perp either closes
the door behind him
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or he goes out the window
and down the fire escape.
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And leaves
a few fibers behind.
What about prints?
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Latent lifted
53 partials.
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Popular fella.
How about the canvass?
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A neighbor heard
two men arguing,
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and then aloud bang,
sometime around 10:45.
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Yeah. That would've
been the TV set,
imploding on Foley's skull.
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Another neighbor
said she saw Foley arguing
with a heavyset white guy
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in front of his building
a few weeks ago.
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She know
what that was about?
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Only that it got
pretty heated.
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Yeah, unfortunately,
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there's no
"heavyset white guy"
listed in the phone book.
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What else do we know
about Foley?
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Well, he had a record.
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Uh, couple of assaults,
drug possession.
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That explains
the visitors.
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Last bust was
for four grams of coke.
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He got probation.
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With that record?
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Maybe his lawyer
was Clarence Darrow.
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ED:
Girlfriend seemed to think
he'd cleaned up his act.
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Girlfriends are always
the last to know.
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Them and
probation officers.
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Well, he's been passing
his urine tests.
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As far as I know
he was clean.
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What about
this last bust?
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Well, the cops raided
some dance club
he was working at.
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They found some coke
behind the bar.
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So how'd
he get probation?
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What I heard,
they screwed up
the search.
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Our Fourth Amendment
at work.
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Well, except for this
family court thing,
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I thought that Foley
was doin' pretty good.
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ED: What family
court thing?
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Some custody fight
or something.
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BRISCOE:
He had a kid?
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Yeah. With
an ex-girlfriend.
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Apparently, she's been
ridin' his ass
about child support.
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Only Foley never
shows up in court.
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Finally,
this family court
judge calls me,
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tells me,
if Foley doesn't show up
for the next date,
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I should violate
his probation.
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When was this?
Few weeks ago.
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But I checked.
Foley showed.
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Laura Rodriguez
filed a V petition
against James Foley
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for custody and support
on January 8th of '98.
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That's over
three years ago.
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Guy ignored the summons.
A lot of 'em do.
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So what happened
when Foley finally
did show?
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It was one of those real
knockdown drag out
type of things.
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ED: Which ended how?
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Mother got full custody
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plus an order
from the court,
for support
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dating back to
when the kid was born.
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BRISCOE:
Foley make a payment?
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Uh, not on that day.
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I'd have to check
another file to see
if he's made one since.
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Dead beat dad
Don't waste your time.
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Mother couldn't have been
too happy about that.
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Well, if you ask me,
I think the real fight
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was about the fact
that mom brought
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a new boyfriend
with her to court.
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Who's that?
Never got a name.
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But he and Foley got
into it pretty good
in the hallway.
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Couple of court officers
had to break it up.
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Look, I'm sorry
Jimmy got himself killed,
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but I got nothin'
to do with him anymore.
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I been tryin' to put
all that behind me.
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That's hard to do
when you got
a kid together.
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Jimmy wasn't part
of Billy's life.
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Never has been.
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There's another man
in the picture.
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What's that got to do
with anything?
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Miss Rodriguez,
we know about the fight
outside the courtroom.
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Go in and play
in the other room, okay?
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Mommy'll be right in.
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Three years, three years
and I don't get a cent.
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Billy never gets so much
as a birthday card
from Jimmy.
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It finally takes a judge
to make him show up.
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And then he thinks
he's got the right to
tell me how to live my life.
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He objected
to your relationship?
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Yeah.
I think callin' me a slut
would qualify, don't you?
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BRISCOE: What's your
boyfriend's name?
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Terry.
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Terry Fullmer.
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What was the fight about?
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I guess Jimmy didn't like
the way Terry was lookin'
at him or something,
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'cause he said something
to Terry
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and then Terry
said something back
and Jimmy swung on him.
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This Terry?
Yeah.
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Heavyset white guy.
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Terry's been
the only man
in Billy's life.
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He buys him things,
babysits.
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He's a good person.
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I met the guy
a couple times.
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I take it you two
didn't get along.
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He treated
Laura like crap,
and Billy.
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So, no, he wasn't
my favorite person
on God's green Earth.
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Laura says you've been
helping out, huh?
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That's what a grown man does.
Takes care of his family.
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Not like Foley.
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Deadbeat wouldn't even
fork over a couple bucks
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for diapers
when money was tight.
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That must've really
pissed you off,
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paying for a kid
who wasn't yours.
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Wasn't the way I saw it,
but what's your point?
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A witness ID'd you
arguing with Foley
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in front of
his apartment building
a few weeks ago.
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We had some words.
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I was just tryin'
to get him
to come to court.
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You wanna tell us
where you were
last night?
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With Laura at home.
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That's not much
of an alibi.
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You think
I killed Foley?
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Much as I hated the hump,
I wouldn't do that to Billy.
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Guy was still his father.
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Look, I was just
tryin' to do right
by Laura and the kid.
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Then, uh, you won't mind
if we borrow your shirt.
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For what?
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Hey, man, if you don't
want to cooperate, we'll
come back with a warrant.
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I got nothin' to hide.
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Foley hardly even knew
his own kid's name.
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Whoever did this to him,
he had it coming.
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No fiber match
on Fullmer's shirt.
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Even if there were,
you'd still have to
put him at the scene.
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We re-canvassed
the building
with Fullmer's photo,
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to see if anybody saw him
the night of the murder.
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No luck.
Excuse me, Lieutenant.
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Prints from Foley's
apartment came back.
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Thanks, Cordova.
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Any matches for Fullmer?
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I don't see his name.
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But AFIS hit on
eight partials,
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generated a list
of possibles.
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Wow.
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So much
for not consorting
with known felons.
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Most of these
are drug charges.
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Another successful
probationer.
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Here's one guy with
a manslaughter rap.
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Maybe Foley shorted
the wrong customer.
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I ain't seen Foley
in almost a year.
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That's funny. The neighbor
says she remembers
your face pretty good.
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Says you used to come up
to see him all the time.
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Social visits,
Mr. Lynch?
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Hey, look,
just 'cause a guy goes
to see another guy,
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doesn't mean
anything illegal
happened.
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It does if
they're both felons.
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Or if one of them got
his skull smashed in.
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Well, what are
you talking about?
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Your friend Foley
got himself killed.
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Now, your prints
being there,
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plus your previously
demonstrated willingness
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to take a man's life,
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maybe you might wanna
help us out on this.
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When did this happen?
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ED: We're not gonna
help you out with
an alibi, Mr. Lynch.
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Yeah. I work every night.
I get on at 6:00,
I'm here 'till midnight.
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If it happened between then,
it couldn't have been me.
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But you have seen him more
recently than a year ago,
haven't you?
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BRISCOE:
When was the last time
you saw him?
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Hey, man,
don't make us go
to your PO.
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00:10:16,455 --> 00:10:17,798
Maybe three,
four months ago.
242
00:10:17,856 --> 00:10:19,302
I heard he was movin'
a lot of product
243
00:10:19,358 --> 00:10:20,894
out of that club
he worked at.
244
00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,133
And you weren't too happy
just being a busboy?
245
00:10:23,196 --> 00:10:24,470
Only nothin' happened.
246
00:10:24,530 --> 00:10:27,010
Foley got busted himself
a few days before I saw him.
247
00:10:27,066 --> 00:10:29,273
Said it was a lot of coke
and he had to lay low
for awhile.
248
00:10:29,335 --> 00:10:30,939
We heard it was
just a few grams.
249
00:10:31,003 --> 00:10:34,348
I guess some of it
got lost on the way
to the station house.
250
00:10:34,907 --> 00:10:37,581
Look, all I know is Foley
said he wasn't going to jail.
251
00:10:38,779 --> 00:10:40,224
Why do you want to
know about Foley?
252
00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,760
We were just wondering
how he got off with
a jaywalking ticket
253
00:10:42,816 --> 00:10:44,887
on a half pound of coke.
254
00:10:44,952 --> 00:10:46,431
Problems with the search.
255
00:10:46,487 --> 00:10:48,558
You had
a valid search warrant.
We pulled your jacket.
256
00:10:48,622 --> 00:10:50,727
Where do you get off
pulling one of
my case files?
257
00:10:50,791 --> 00:10:53,931
The case came in
A1 weight,
it went out C weight.
258
00:10:54,428 --> 00:10:56,408
I don't think I like
your implication,
Detective.
259
00:10:56,463 --> 00:10:58,238
And I don't think
we like being told
the same story
260
00:10:58,298 --> 00:10:59,869
you supplied
the probation officer.
261
00:11:00,235 --> 00:11:02,215
Why all this interest
in a maggot like Foley?
262
00:11:02,270 --> 00:11:05,717
ED: Because this maggot
got himself murdered
the other day.
263
00:11:07,509 --> 00:11:08,510
I hadn't heard.
264
00:11:08,843 --> 00:11:09,913
So now you want
to tell us
265
00:11:09,978 --> 00:11:13,152
how Foley got himself
a "get out of jail free" card?
266
00:11:15,049 --> 00:11:16,722
We flipped him.
267
00:11:16,918 --> 00:11:18,899
Foley was
a confidential informant.
268
00:11:26,128 --> 00:11:27,232
A Cl?
Yeah.
269
00:11:27,296 --> 00:11:29,970
Narcotics said
that they'd been sitting
on Foley for months,
270
00:11:30,032 --> 00:11:32,603
got a tip that he'd been
moving some real quantity
out of this club.
271
00:11:32,668 --> 00:11:33,840
How much did they find?
272
00:11:33,903 --> 00:11:36,144
A half a pound
of uncut cocaine.
273
00:11:36,205 --> 00:11:38,845
So they
get their information
and Foley gets probation.
274
00:11:38,908 --> 00:11:42,049
And the PO gets
some bogus story about
a search gone bad.
275
00:11:42,145 --> 00:11:44,682
Yeah. Give me
a nice clean
homicide any day.
276
00:11:44,748 --> 00:11:47,160
How much information
did Foley provide?
277
00:11:47,217 --> 00:11:48,992
Well, according to the cops
who handle him,
278
00:11:49,052 --> 00:11:50,656
in three months,
Foley's dropped a dime
279
00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,529
on about half
a dozen bad guys.
280
00:11:52,589 --> 00:11:54,728
Do they think anyone
found out about it?
281
00:11:54,791 --> 00:11:56,361
BRISCOE:
There's one for sure.
282
00:11:57,594 --> 00:11:58,800
"Glenn Edwards."
283
00:11:59,430 --> 00:12:01,774
Foley testified
against him
at the trial.
284
00:12:01,833 --> 00:12:04,643
He got transferred
to Sing Sing a month ago.
285
00:12:04,702 --> 00:12:06,841
Whose turn is it
to put in for gas money?
286
00:12:12,643 --> 00:12:14,953
You wasted a trip.
I got nothing
against Foley.
287
00:12:15,012 --> 00:12:18,050
BRISCOE:
That's funny, we heard
he sent you here.
288
00:12:18,115 --> 00:12:19,789
Guess he did
what he had to do.
289
00:12:19,852 --> 00:12:21,354
That's a pretty
enlightened attitude
290
00:12:21,420 --> 00:12:22,694
you got there,
Mr. Edwards.
291
00:12:22,754 --> 00:12:24,233
Now if I found out
some guy ratted me out...
292
00:12:24,289 --> 00:12:26,860
What comes around,
goes around,
why sweat it.
293
00:12:26,925 --> 00:12:28,666
Then you knew
Foley was dead?
294
00:12:28,727 --> 00:12:31,139
My people thought the news
might cheer me up.
295
00:12:31,263 --> 00:12:33,573
Yeah,
we were thinking
the same thing.
296
00:12:34,499 --> 00:12:35,500
Yeah?
297
00:12:36,435 --> 00:12:37,812
Well, I got
a pretty good alibi.
298
00:12:37,870 --> 00:12:40,147
BRISCOE: Well, doesn't
mean you couldn't have
had one of your people
299
00:12:40,206 --> 00:12:41,913
arrange it though,
does it?
300
00:12:41,975 --> 00:12:45,354
Just 'cause I fanned
a few flames doesn't
mean I set the fire.
301
00:12:45,411 --> 00:12:46,890
Meaning what?
302
00:12:46,946 --> 00:12:49,756
Look into a dude
Foley capped about
10 years ago.
303
00:12:49,816 --> 00:12:52,194
What? He came back from
the dead for revenge?
304
00:12:52,252 --> 00:12:55,028
Foley skated on the murder
but it turns out
305
00:12:55,121 --> 00:12:57,863
the guy who's actually
convicted for it is
right here in this prison.
306
00:12:57,924 --> 00:12:59,904
ED: And you
know this how?
307
00:13:00,059 --> 00:13:02,540
Told you.
What goes around,
comes around.
308
00:13:02,596 --> 00:13:03,768
When I got
transferred here,
309
00:13:03,831 --> 00:13:07,540
I found myself
on the same cell block
with an innocent man.
310
00:13:07,935 --> 00:13:09,175
I just thought
he might like to know
311
00:13:09,236 --> 00:13:11,648
who he's doin
his time for,
that's all.
312
00:13:13,574 --> 00:13:16,054
Edwards never told me
anything about anybody
named Foley.
313
00:13:16,110 --> 00:13:17,680
Now why would he make
something like that up.
314
00:13:17,745 --> 00:13:18,883
How do I know?
315
00:13:18,946 --> 00:13:20,722
He's the one
who had the beef
with this guy.
316
00:13:20,782 --> 00:13:23,092
And he just happens
to point the finger
at you?
317
00:13:23,151 --> 00:13:25,461
Things like that
happen in here
all the time.
318
00:13:25,854 --> 00:13:27,333
Look, I don't know
why he would tell you
319
00:13:27,389 --> 00:13:29,460
that he talked to me
about Foley. He didn't.
320
00:13:29,524 --> 00:13:31,970
So you never heard
of James Foley?
321
00:13:32,594 --> 00:13:34,801
ED: Look, Mr. Campbell,
the warden says
322
00:13:34,863 --> 00:13:38,106
that you've been
proclaiming your innocence
since you set foot in here.
323
00:13:38,166 --> 00:13:40,112
Doesn't seem
to have done me
much good, does it?
324
00:13:40,168 --> 00:13:42,445
Well, who knows,
maybe today's
your lucky day.
325
00:13:43,272 --> 00:13:46,253
I been up here for 12 years
for a crime I didn't commit.
326
00:13:46,309 --> 00:13:49,449
The guy who was sent
here with me already
died in this place.
327
00:13:49,512 --> 00:13:53,289
If my lucky day includes
two detectives accusing me
of another murder,
328
00:13:53,349 --> 00:13:54,919
I think I'll just pass.
329
00:13:57,019 --> 00:14:00,660
Edwards' phone log
from Sing Sing doesn't
have any outgoing calls
330
00:14:00,723 --> 00:14:02,260
within a week of
Foley's murder.
331
00:14:02,326 --> 00:14:04,306
Maybe he sent
a postcard.
332
00:14:04,628 --> 00:14:08,474
Victim in the Campbell
murder was a gang banger
named David Gale.
333
00:14:08,532 --> 00:14:11,172
There was an eyewitness,
fingerprints on
the murder weapon.
334
00:14:11,234 --> 00:14:13,805
Another innocent man
falsely convicted.
335
00:14:13,870 --> 00:14:16,043
This witness had
a pretty good sheet.
336
00:14:16,740 --> 00:14:18,242
Possession,
prostitution.
337
00:14:18,308 --> 00:14:22,018
Hey, like we always say,
if only all our witnesses
could be choir boys.
338
00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,889
But the forensics
were good you said?
339
00:14:23,948 --> 00:14:26,019
Set of partials
on the gun.
340
00:14:26,084 --> 00:14:27,188
Moving on.
341
00:14:27,251 --> 00:14:28,787
Hmm. Maybe not.
342
00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:31,991
Lead detective
on the case was...
343
00:14:38,229 --> 00:14:39,640
Of course,
I remember the case.
344
00:14:39,697 --> 00:14:41,142
I made grade
because of it.
345
00:14:41,199 --> 00:14:42,440
You got grade money
in Narcotics?
346
00:14:42,501 --> 00:14:45,175
Well, city was in the midst
of a crack epidemic.
347
00:14:45,237 --> 00:14:47,649
The victim was
a Lower East Side dealer.
348
00:14:47,706 --> 00:14:50,915
One more dead crack dealer.
Practically a public service.
349
00:14:50,976 --> 00:14:54,583
Only this one was shot
in a park across
from City Hall.
350
00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,150
The mayor went ballistic,
wanted it solved fast.
351
00:14:58,217 --> 00:14:59,287
Which you did.
352
00:14:59,351 --> 00:15:00,989
Well, I had a little
luck, you know.
353
00:15:01,053 --> 00:15:04,035
Eyewitness was a prostitute.
Said she heard shots,
354
00:15:04,090 --> 00:15:08,232
saw the co-defendants,
Campbell and a guy
named Larry Martin,
355
00:15:08,294 --> 00:15:10,296
running from the car
where the victim was,
356
00:15:10,363 --> 00:15:12,934
and then we found
the murder weapon
in a dumpster.
357
00:15:12,999 --> 00:15:14,239
With Campbell's
prints on it.
358
00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:16,280
Detective,
those visitor logs
you asked for.
359
00:15:16,336 --> 00:15:17,576
Thank you.
360
00:15:17,837 --> 00:15:19,248
Those Campbell's
or Edward's?
361
00:15:19,305 --> 00:15:21,512
Both. He's nothing
if not thorough.
362
00:15:21,574 --> 00:15:24,112
Hey, check this out,
Campbell and Edwards
both had the same visitor
363
00:15:24,178 --> 00:15:25,851
a week before
Foley's murder.
364
00:15:25,913 --> 00:15:27,688
Then again
two days later.
365
00:15:27,748 --> 00:15:29,591
Who?
Luke Campbell.
366
00:15:30,751 --> 00:15:34,221
I'm supposed to notify
corporate before I talk
to law enforcement.
367
00:15:34,288 --> 00:15:36,427
This isn't about work,
Mr. Campbell.
368
00:15:36,791 --> 00:15:38,828
What's it about then?
Your brother?
369
00:15:39,393 --> 00:15:41,168
I got nothing
to say about him.
370
00:15:41,228 --> 00:15:43,368
What about, uh,
Glenn Edwards?
371
00:15:43,432 --> 00:15:45,105
ED: He's an inmate
at Sing Sing.
372
00:15:45,167 --> 00:15:48,614
The visiting log there says
you met him October 10th,
373
00:15:48,670 --> 00:15:50,411
and then again
on October 12th.
374
00:15:50,472 --> 00:15:52,418
Same days as you
saw your brother.
375
00:15:53,308 --> 00:15:55,549
ED: What's going on,
Mr. Campbell?
376
00:15:55,610 --> 00:15:58,614
This guy Edwards
said he knew something
about Bobby's case.
377
00:15:58,680 --> 00:15:59,920
ED: Bobby knew
about the meetings?
378
00:15:59,981 --> 00:16:01,619
No. I went to see
this guy on my own.
379
00:16:01,683 --> 00:16:02,822
BRISCOE:
So what'd he tell you?
380
00:16:02,885 --> 00:16:06,992
Nothing. It was a scam.
He said he knew something,
but he wanted money first.
381
00:16:07,090 --> 00:16:09,127
He didn't tell you
that your brother
was innocent?
382
00:16:09,192 --> 00:16:11,069
That he knew who
the real killer was?
383
00:16:11,127 --> 00:16:12,470
No. He didn't.
384
00:16:12,528 --> 00:16:14,906
He didn't mention a guy
named Jimmy Foley?
385
00:16:14,964 --> 00:16:15,965
No.
386
00:16:16,666 --> 00:16:19,237
So where you were
last Tuesday night,
Mr. Campbell?
387
00:16:19,869 --> 00:16:22,179
I was working
the night shift
at my other job.
388
00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:29,382
Tuesday, the 18th,
Mr. Campbell was working
a building in Midtown.
389
00:16:29,446 --> 00:16:30,925
8:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m.
390
00:16:30,981 --> 00:16:32,324
ED: What kind of
job is that?
391
00:16:32,382 --> 00:16:35,761
Sit at a desk, bring a book,
try not to fall asleep
kinda job.
392
00:16:35,819 --> 00:16:37,321
Is he alone
all that time?
393
00:16:37,387 --> 00:16:38,764
Well,
there's a supervisor.
394
00:16:38,822 --> 00:16:40,096
What about a break?
395
00:16:40,157 --> 00:16:42,899
Half hour for dinner.
Supervisor's gotta come
by and relieve him.
396
00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,770
BRISCOE:
So, the boss isn't
on the premises?
397
00:16:44,829 --> 00:16:47,105
He roves,
he checks each building
once an hour.
398
00:16:47,165 --> 00:16:48,166
We want to talk to him.
399
00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,204
I can page him for you.
400
00:16:50,902 --> 00:16:53,212
Uh, excuse me,
are your guards bonded?
401
00:16:53,271 --> 00:16:55,080
We do extensive
background checks.
402
00:16:55,140 --> 00:16:57,245
Criminal history,
references, the works.
403
00:16:57,308 --> 00:16:58,787
ED: Fingerprints?
404
00:16:58,843 --> 00:17:00,151
Absolutely.
405
00:17:01,412 --> 00:17:02,584
What else you got
in the bag?
406
00:17:02,647 --> 00:17:04,594
How's it going,
Mr. Campbell?
407
00:17:04,650 --> 00:17:06,823
I'll be with you
fellas in a minute.
You got a receipt?
408
00:17:06,886 --> 00:17:08,422
No, I think you're gonna
come with us now.
409
00:17:08,487 --> 00:17:09,761
Come with you where?
410
00:17:09,822 --> 00:17:11,495
Look, I told you guys
everything I know.
411
00:17:11,557 --> 00:17:13,969
Well, we think
there's a few details
you left out.
412
00:17:14,026 --> 00:17:15,334
How does it feel?
413
00:17:16,395 --> 00:17:19,205
Put this T-shirt back
and consider yourself lucky.
414
00:17:23,402 --> 00:17:26,213
LUKE: I told you before,
I've never met anyone
named Foley.
415
00:17:26,273 --> 00:17:30,278
Then maybe you can
explain why your prints
were in his apartment?
416
00:17:30,343 --> 00:17:32,914
Prints don't lie,
Mr. Campbell.
You were there.
417
00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,622
Look, you seem
like a decent,
hardworking guy.
418
00:17:36,683 --> 00:17:38,424
You got no
criminal record.
419
00:17:38,485 --> 00:17:40,556
Why don't you
just tell us
what happened.
420
00:17:40,620 --> 00:17:42,622
Help yourself out, man.
421
00:17:42,689 --> 00:17:44,226
You say that fingerprints
don't lie,
422
00:17:44,292 --> 00:17:46,568
but that is not true,
not all the time.
423
00:17:47,261 --> 00:17:48,331
Are you talking
about your brother?
424
00:17:48,396 --> 00:17:51,070
They said his fingerprints
were on that gun,
but they weren't.
425
00:17:51,132 --> 00:17:52,406
And you know this how?
426
00:17:52,466 --> 00:17:54,503
'Cause Bobby was innocent.
427
00:17:55,503 --> 00:17:57,483
An eyewitness
identified him.
428
00:17:57,772 --> 00:17:58,978
And his co-defendant.
429
00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,178
That witness was lying.
430
00:18:00,241 --> 00:18:02,221
Oh, so now
everybody's lied right?
431
00:18:03,978 --> 00:18:06,220
Look, I know
how it sounds.
432
00:18:06,882 --> 00:18:08,828
But I didn't know
what else to do.
433
00:18:08,884 --> 00:18:10,659
So you went there
to even the score.
434
00:18:10,719 --> 00:18:12,528
No. It wasn't like that.
435
00:18:12,588 --> 00:18:14,465
Then what was it like?
436
00:18:15,224 --> 00:18:16,999
(SIGHS)
437
00:18:17,459 --> 00:18:19,336
Bobby said to let
the lawyers handle it,
438
00:18:19,394 --> 00:18:21,396
but they've been
handling it
almost 12 years,
439
00:18:21,463 --> 00:18:23,170
and nothing's happened.
440
00:18:25,869 --> 00:18:29,248
When Foley came to the door,
he knew right away who I was.
441
00:18:29,305 --> 00:18:30,375
HOW?
442
00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,044
I don't know,
he just did.
443
00:18:32,108 --> 00:18:33,883
I bet he was
real glad to see you.
444
00:18:33,943 --> 00:18:35,980
I told him what he was
doing was wrong.
445
00:18:36,045 --> 00:18:38,821
That my brother
shouldn't be serving time
for a crime he didn't commit.
446
00:18:38,882 --> 00:18:40,020
And what?
447
00:18:40,083 --> 00:18:42,620
Did you think he was
just gonna confess?
448
00:18:43,286 --> 00:18:45,665
I don't know what I thought,
but when I told him,
449
00:18:45,723 --> 00:18:48,670
he just laughed,
tried to close
the door on me.
450
00:18:48,726 --> 00:18:51,229
BRISCOE: And you wouldn't
take "no" for an answer.
451
00:18:51,295 --> 00:18:54,174
I got past him,
then I just started
452
00:18:54,865 --> 00:18:57,744
looking around for,
I don't know,
453
00:18:57,801 --> 00:19:00,008
proof or something.
454
00:19:00,070 --> 00:19:02,311
That's when
he grabbed me,
around my neck.
455
00:19:03,641 --> 00:19:05,588
I told him to let go
but he wouldn't.
456
00:19:05,644 --> 00:19:07,317
And so I just
pushed back and
457
00:19:09,147 --> 00:19:11,957
we fell,
he must have
hit his head.
458
00:19:12,717 --> 00:19:15,891
You got that right.
Half his brains
were on the floor.
459
00:19:21,459 --> 00:19:24,235
I go up to see Bobby
twice a month
460
00:19:24,529 --> 00:19:26,703
ever since I was
old enough to drive.
461
00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:29,579
For the last six months
462
00:19:30,803 --> 00:19:34,615
I've seen him giving up,
giving up hope.
463
00:19:37,209 --> 00:19:39,280
You don't know
what it's like seeing
your older brother
464
00:19:39,345 --> 00:19:41,222
give up on his life.
465
00:19:43,416 --> 00:19:46,864
He's been rotting away
in that prison
for 12 years,
466
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,593
for a crime
he didn't commit.
467
00:19:48,655 --> 00:19:51,465
And this was my one chance
to prove his innocence.
468
00:19:52,926 --> 00:19:54,837
And now the guy's dead.
469
00:19:56,229 --> 00:19:57,469
(SNIFFLING)
470
00:20:01,268 --> 00:20:02,406
Self-defense.
471
00:20:02,469 --> 00:20:04,278
His lawyer served notice
at arraignments.
472
00:20:04,338 --> 00:20:07,411
Awfully difficult claim
to make out
in another man's apartment.
473
00:20:07,475 --> 00:20:09,386
There was also a PS,
no plea.
474
00:20:10,545 --> 00:20:12,081
Was this lawyer
just over confident
475
00:20:12,146 --> 00:20:14,023
or does he know
something we don't?
476
00:20:14,082 --> 00:20:16,995
Lieutenant Van Buren
was the lead detective
in the original case.
477
00:20:17,051 --> 00:20:18,860
Back when I was
in Narcotics.
478
00:20:19,454 --> 00:20:20,626
Is there anyway
they can make it seem
479
00:20:20,688 --> 00:20:22,133
like there's any truth
to what he's saying?
480
00:20:22,190 --> 00:20:23,828
That his brother's innocent?
481
00:20:23,891 --> 00:20:25,063
I don't see how.
482
00:20:25,126 --> 00:20:27,505
There was also a witness.
Brenda Warren.
483
00:20:27,563 --> 00:20:28,837
JACK:
How reliable was she?
484
00:20:28,897 --> 00:20:30,899
Reliable enough
to convince a jury.
485
00:20:30,966 --> 00:20:33,640
Bobby Campbell's prints
were also found on
the murder weapon
486
00:20:33,702 --> 00:20:37,081
and his co-defendant's
blood type matched
the blood at the scene.
487
00:20:37,139 --> 00:20:38,709
Doesn't matter.
488
00:20:38,774 --> 00:20:42,119
Defense counsel's
still gonna try your case
all over again anyway.
489
00:20:42,177 --> 00:20:43,679
Can they do that?
490
00:20:43,746 --> 00:20:45,157
Propensity
for violence.
491
00:20:45,214 --> 00:20:48,924
If Luke Campbell can suggest
Foley was the killer
in his brother's case,
492
00:20:48,985 --> 00:20:51,795
he might get a jury
to believe Foley was
the aggressor in this one.
493
00:20:51,855 --> 00:20:54,233
How many bites
do these guys get?
494
00:20:54,290 --> 00:20:56,770
JACK:
We need to re-interview
your witness.
495
00:20:58,428 --> 00:21:00,908
Brenda Warren had
a drug problem.
496
00:21:00,964 --> 00:21:02,944
Was there any connection
between her and Campbell?
497
00:21:02,999 --> 00:21:04,307
Any motive
for her to lie?
498
00:21:04,367 --> 00:21:07,110
I never found one.
Neither did
Campbell's lawyer.
499
00:21:07,171 --> 00:21:09,674
We had the guy's
fingerprints.
500
00:21:09,740 --> 00:21:12,311
Well, it's been 10 years,
maybe they won't be able
to find her.
501
00:21:12,376 --> 00:21:14,652
But if they do,
I don't want to take
any chances,
502
00:21:14,712 --> 00:21:18,626
the defense finds
some way to shake her
original trial testimony.
503
00:21:18,683 --> 00:21:21,163
We'll make sure
all our I's are dotted
and our T's are crossed.
504
00:21:21,218 --> 00:21:22,959
They were 12 years ago.
505
00:21:26,490 --> 00:21:29,870
I don't understand,
I testified at the trial.
They were both convicted.
506
00:21:29,928 --> 00:21:31,339
SERENA:
And we're very grateful
to you for that.
507
00:21:31,396 --> 00:21:32,670
It's just, some things
have come up
508
00:21:32,731 --> 00:21:35,177
that might make
some people ask you
about what happened again.
509
00:21:35,233 --> 00:21:37,611
What are
you talking about?
What things?
510
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:39,808
Honey, could you just
give us a minute.
511
00:21:40,505 --> 00:21:41,506
Sure.
512
00:21:45,010 --> 00:21:46,045
What things?
513
00:21:46,111 --> 00:21:48,251
Another man
has been killed.
514
00:21:49,081 --> 00:21:50,151
I don't understand.
515
00:21:50,516 --> 00:21:51,790
Well, the person
who's been arrested
516
00:21:51,851 --> 00:21:54,354
was the brother of
one of the men
you testified against.
517
00:21:54,420 --> 00:21:55,421
He's after me?
518
00:21:55,488 --> 00:21:57,525
No, no.
It's nothing like that.
519
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:59,228
Then what?
SERENA:
Well, this man claims
520
00:21:59,292 --> 00:22:00,293
his brother was innocent.
521
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:01,565
That the man he killed
a few days ago
522
00:22:01,627 --> 00:22:04,164
was the real murderer
in the case
you testified in.
523
00:22:04,730 --> 00:22:07,074
How...
How could this happen?
524
00:22:07,501 --> 00:22:10,675
Some lawyers
may come by here
and try to speak with you.
525
00:22:10,738 --> 00:22:12,945
No. No more lawyers.
I'm not talking
to any more lawyers.
526
00:22:13,006 --> 00:22:16,112
All you have to do,
Miss Warren, is confirm
what you said at trial.
527
00:22:16,176 --> 00:22:18,622
No. I am not going
through this again.
528
00:22:18,679 --> 00:22:20,920
Listen, I pulled
my life together
after this trial.
529
00:22:20,981 --> 00:22:22,585
I got straight.
I got my GED.
530
00:22:22,649 --> 00:22:25,027
You can't just walk
in here and start
accusing me of lying.
531
00:22:25,085 --> 00:22:27,190
We're not accusing you
of anything, Miss Warren.
532
00:22:28,089 --> 00:22:30,228
I think you should
both just leave.
533
00:22:30,291 --> 00:22:32,237
SERENA:
They can subpoena you.
534
00:22:32,293 --> 00:22:33,931
I want you to go.
535
00:22:34,395 --> 00:22:35,635
We can
subpoena you too.
536
00:22:35,697 --> 00:22:38,439
Well, then I'll just say
I don't remember.
537
00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:39,535
Miss Warren, please.
538
00:22:39,601 --> 00:22:41,478
No. I said
get out of my house!
539
00:22:45,607 --> 00:22:47,644
Hope she was
a little more cooperative
than that at the trial.
540
00:22:47,709 --> 00:22:50,054
Well, she testified
over 12 years ago
541
00:22:50,112 --> 00:22:51,716
and now we show up
at her door
and ask her to go
542
00:22:51,780 --> 00:22:53,418
through it
all over again.
543
00:22:53,482 --> 00:22:54,688
It doesn't surprise me.
544
00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:56,024
Oh, come on,
you're not gonna
really tell me
545
00:22:56,085 --> 00:22:57,428
something else
wasn't going on
back there
546
00:22:57,486 --> 00:22:58,794
other than
a little reluctance?
547
00:22:58,854 --> 00:23:01,801
I don't know
what was going on, Serena,
and neither do you.
548
00:23:03,125 --> 00:23:04,331
Well, what about
the reward money?
549
00:23:04,393 --> 00:23:05,667
She was a crack addict,
right?
550
00:23:05,728 --> 00:23:08,300
She didn't know
about the reward
before she came forward.
551
00:23:08,365 --> 00:23:09,742
Look, she was a junkie.
552
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,576
Maybe her new husband
doesn't know anything
about that.
553
00:23:12,636 --> 00:23:14,206
Who knows what
she's afraid of now.
554
00:23:14,271 --> 00:23:17,047
Well, whatever it is,
we better find it
before defense counsel does.
555
00:23:17,107 --> 00:23:19,053
Well, even if she does
change her story,
556
00:23:19,109 --> 00:23:21,885
we still have
Campbell's prints
on the murder weapon.
557
00:23:26,049 --> 00:23:29,657
You're joking, right?
You're talking about a case
that's over 12 years old.
558
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,529
Well, you keep your records
somewhere, don't you?
559
00:23:31,589 --> 00:23:34,263
Why do you need them?
Campbell's kid brother
is makin' noise
560
00:23:34,325 --> 00:23:36,396
about him being innocent.
561
00:23:36,460 --> 00:23:38,701
Apple doesn't fall far,
does it?
562
00:23:38,763 --> 00:23:40,071
SERENA: Look, I know
it's a little inconvenient
563
00:23:40,131 --> 00:23:42,304
but we have a situation now
that we need to deal with.
564
00:23:42,366 --> 00:23:43,606
What kind of situation?
565
00:23:43,668 --> 00:23:46,877
The eyewitness,
we tracked her down
just to cover all the bases.
566
00:23:46,938 --> 00:23:48,417
She acted
a little skittish.
567
00:23:48,472 --> 00:23:49,543
We're not sure
we're gonna be able
568
00:23:49,608 --> 00:23:51,144
to count on her
this time around.
569
00:23:51,410 --> 00:23:53,686
Oh, well, you may
have more of a situation
than you thought.
570
00:23:53,745 --> 00:23:56,055
VAN BUREN: What do you mean?
Well, we archive
all the physical reports
571
00:23:56,114 --> 00:23:57,787
once the guy's
last appeal's denied.
572
00:23:58,050 --> 00:24:00,291
Tell me who to contact
and I'll have the file
requisitioned.
573
00:24:00,352 --> 00:24:03,231
Remember that
water main that burst
about five years ago?
574
00:24:03,288 --> 00:24:04,733
Don't tell us.
575
00:24:04,790 --> 00:24:05,791
Yeah.
576
00:24:05,858 --> 00:24:08,031
Flooded our record room
downtown.
577
00:24:08,093 --> 00:24:10,870
Campbell's prints
are probably in
the Gulf Stream by now.
578
00:24:12,232 --> 00:24:14,872
Whoever said
that justice delayed
was justice denied,
579
00:24:14,934 --> 00:24:16,777
obviously never worked
in the system.
580
00:24:16,836 --> 00:24:19,646
This witness recants,
it's a whole new ball game
for both the Campbells.
581
00:24:19,706 --> 00:24:21,777
Well, with any luck,
it won't come down
to this witness.
582
00:24:21,841 --> 00:24:23,980
The fingerprint lift
is definitely gone,
583
00:24:24,043 --> 00:24:27,490
but the CSU techs take
photos of the dusted prints
before they lift them.
584
00:24:27,547 --> 00:24:29,323
The police department
still has those.
585
00:24:29,383 --> 00:24:31,954
They're in
an evidence locker
in Brooklyn.
586
00:24:32,019 --> 00:24:33,225
JACK: We're sure
they're still there?
587
00:24:33,287 --> 00:24:35,460
I sent Briscoe and Green
over there this afternoon
588
00:24:35,522 --> 00:24:37,627
to walk them
to the lab themselves.
589
00:24:37,691 --> 00:24:40,331
Well, call them back
and tell them
to pick them up.
590
00:24:40,394 --> 00:24:42,374
I'm not having
the same lab
do the test,
591
00:24:42,429 --> 00:24:43,965
that lost the results
in the first place.
592
00:24:44,732 --> 00:24:47,076
I know this
fingerprint examiner.
593
00:24:47,134 --> 00:24:49,445
She's been
with the department
19 years.
594
00:24:49,504 --> 00:24:52,417
I'm not questioning
her professionalism,
Lieutenant.
595
00:24:52,474 --> 00:24:55,751
I'd just rather
not give defense counsel
any ammunition to argue
596
00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:59,223
that the lab that couldn't
even keep their evidence dry
shouldn't be trusted.
597
00:25:00,248 --> 00:25:01,955
Who do you want
to do the analysis?
598
00:25:03,385 --> 00:25:05,763
Send the photos over
to the FBI.
599
00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:08,460
In the meantime,
let's see if we can't get
a DNA comparison
600
00:25:08,523 --> 00:25:11,664
on the blood that was linked
to Campbell's co-defendant.
601
00:25:11,727 --> 00:25:13,035
Yeah. Anita,
your detectives
602
00:25:13,095 --> 00:25:14,631
dropped them off
a few hours ago.
603
00:25:14,697 --> 00:25:16,699
I was just about
to take a look at 'em.
604
00:25:16,766 --> 00:25:18,803
You know,
it's gonna be fun
working with you again.
605
00:25:18,868 --> 00:25:21,678
Well, there's been
a little change
in plans, Lisa.
606
00:25:21,737 --> 00:25:23,410
What happened?
The kid took a plea?
607
00:25:23,472 --> 00:25:27,852
Actually, the D.A.'s
gonna have the FBI lab
do the fingerprint analysis.
608
00:25:30,380 --> 00:25:32,883
The FBI?
Why, for God sake?
609
00:25:33,216 --> 00:25:35,389
Well, there's just
a feeling that the loss
610
00:25:35,452 --> 00:25:37,454
of the original file
could be used
611
00:25:37,521 --> 00:25:39,523
by some lawyer
as a smokescreen.
612
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:41,433
Oh, so now
a broken water main
is my fault.
613
00:25:41,491 --> 00:25:44,995
It's no one's fault.
They just don't want
to create a problem
614
00:25:45,062 --> 00:25:46,336
if they don't have to.
615
00:25:47,030 --> 00:25:48,509
Well, it's ridiculous.
616
00:25:48,966 --> 00:25:50,104
I'm the lab supervisor.
617
00:25:50,167 --> 00:25:51,476
You know, no one's
gonna embarrass me,
618
00:25:51,536 --> 00:25:53,140
especially some
defense lawyer.
619
00:25:53,271 --> 00:25:54,841
That's exactly
what I told them.
620
00:25:54,906 --> 00:25:56,249
I mean,
how many hours
did you and I
621
00:25:56,307 --> 00:25:58,287
put into this case
in the first place?
622
00:25:58,343 --> 00:25:59,686
Too many to count.
623
00:25:59,744 --> 00:26:02,384
Look, this conviction
helped me get off
the lieutenant's list
624
00:26:02,447 --> 00:26:03,926
after I took the exam.
625
00:26:03,981 --> 00:26:06,052
I am not gonna
let this guy
slip away now.
626
00:26:06,584 --> 00:26:09,030
Well, it's not right, Anita,
and you know it.
627
00:26:09,854 --> 00:26:11,198
Take 'em.
628
00:26:20,933 --> 00:26:22,241
What are we looking at?
629
00:26:22,301 --> 00:26:24,645
They're called
ridge characteristics,
630
00:26:24,703 --> 00:26:27,240
areas where the ridges
at the end of the fingertips
631
00:26:27,306 --> 00:26:29,286
abruptly end or split.
632
00:26:29,341 --> 00:26:31,413
If two prints share
enough of these,
they match.
633
00:26:31,778 --> 00:26:32,950
I always thought
you just laid prints
634
00:26:33,012 --> 00:26:34,889
on top of one another
like tracing paper.
635
00:26:34,948 --> 00:26:36,928
It's common
misperception.
636
00:26:36,983 --> 00:26:39,896
Latent prints are often
smudged, or overlap.
637
00:26:39,953 --> 00:26:41,455
Plus, the pressure
you press down with
638
00:26:41,521 --> 00:26:43,091
changes how
a print looks.
639
00:26:43,156 --> 00:26:45,136
We're actually comparing
very different things
640
00:26:45,191 --> 00:26:47,364
and trying to say
they're similar enough.
641
00:26:47,660 --> 00:26:49,333
How similar
do they have to be?
642
00:26:49,396 --> 00:26:53,038
Well, different labs have
different minimum numbers
of matching detail.
643
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:54,340
There's no
universal standard?
644
00:26:54,702 --> 00:26:57,239
Some require
10 for a match,
others 15.
645
00:26:57,338 --> 00:26:58,749
New York City has
no minimum number.
646
00:26:58,806 --> 00:27:02,083
Each individual examiner
has his own standard.
647
00:27:02,143 --> 00:27:04,214
So what about
our print?
648
00:27:04,278 --> 00:27:06,087
Well, according to
the trial transcript,
649
00:27:06,147 --> 00:27:07,888
your original
examiner testified
650
00:27:07,948 --> 00:27:10,155
that she observed
six matching points,
651
00:27:10,217 --> 00:27:11,754
which is her
minimum number.
652
00:27:12,087 --> 00:27:13,464
Isn't that enough?
653
00:27:13,522 --> 00:27:16,799
First of all,
six is an extremely
low number.
654
00:27:16,858 --> 00:27:20,635
But more importantly,
I couldn't even figure
out how she'd found six.
655
00:27:20,696 --> 00:27:22,505
I mean,
they just aren't there.
656
00:27:22,597 --> 00:27:24,577
And all this means what?
It's not Campbell's print?
657
00:27:24,766 --> 00:27:27,007
I can't really say
whose it is.
658
00:27:27,069 --> 00:27:29,071
What I can say,
is that your examiner
659
00:27:29,137 --> 00:27:31,550
never should have testified
that this print was a match
660
00:27:31,607 --> 00:27:33,314
with Campbell's
to begin with.
661
00:27:36,779 --> 00:27:38,224
It's that subjective?
662
00:27:39,081 --> 00:27:42,426
JACK: It's bound to be.
They're trying to
judge similarities.
663
00:27:42,485 --> 00:27:43,520
What about
the eyewitness?
664
00:27:43,586 --> 00:27:45,395
Lieutenant Van Buren and I
re-interviewed her.
665
00:27:45,455 --> 00:27:47,435
She was extremely
uncooperative.
666
00:27:47,490 --> 00:27:48,969
So then there is
a reasonable chance
667
00:27:49,025 --> 00:27:51,403
that Campbell has been
wrongfully convicted.
668
00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:54,169
We should know more
once the DNA
on the blood comes back.
669
00:27:54,231 --> 00:27:55,869
Either way it means
his brother's
670
00:27:55,933 --> 00:27:59,005
going to be able to
raise questions about Foley
in his case as well.
671
00:27:59,069 --> 00:28:01,845
You know, Russo's been
in that lab for 19 years.
672
00:28:02,106 --> 00:28:04,245
What if she's had her finger
on the scale all along?
673
00:28:04,508 --> 00:28:07,489
No telling how many cases
get reversed if that's true.
674
00:28:07,544 --> 00:28:10,718
But I'd rather
not open the floodgates
based on speculation.
675
00:28:11,114 --> 00:28:13,152
Randomly test 20
of her cases.
676
00:28:14,219 --> 00:28:16,893
Let's find out
if we got a cop
in a lab coat.
677
00:28:17,822 --> 00:28:20,928
I found seven false positives
out of the 20 that I tested.
678
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,631
It's almost a third.
Statistically,
it's impossible
679
00:28:24,696 --> 00:28:27,404
that she just kept making
that many mistakes.
680
00:28:27,465 --> 00:28:29,172
And it gets worse.
How?
681
00:28:29,801 --> 00:28:31,906
The original
forensics team
recovered
682
00:28:32,003 --> 00:28:34,541
over a dozen partial prints
from inside the car
683
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,244
where the victim
had been shot.
684
00:28:36,308 --> 00:28:39,414
Now, fortunately,
those prints were kept
in a file at another location.
685
00:28:39,478 --> 00:28:43,358
At the time,
this examiner declared them
all unidentifiable.
686
00:28:43,415 --> 00:28:44,792
That wasn't true.
687
00:28:45,584 --> 00:28:47,461
FBI agent found
a print in the vehicle
688
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,227
with an eight point
comparison.
689
00:28:49,288 --> 00:28:52,531
AFIS spit out a possible,
belongs to a guy
named Ray Gifford.
690
00:28:52,592 --> 00:28:53,662
Who's he?
691
00:28:53,727 --> 00:28:56,264
He and Foley
were arrested together
over a half dozen times.
692
00:28:56,329 --> 00:28:57,569
Where's Gifford now?
693
00:28:57,631 --> 00:29:01,511
In a state prison in Florida
doing life without parole
on a drug sale.
694
00:29:01,601 --> 00:29:03,205
An eight point comparison.
695
00:29:04,971 --> 00:29:06,712
So you never looked
into Gifford?
696
00:29:06,973 --> 00:29:10,318
I never even heard
of him or Foley
until a few weeks ago.
697
00:29:10,377 --> 00:29:14,019
I had an eyewitness
who had already ID'd
Campbell and Martin,
698
00:29:14,081 --> 00:29:15,924
and then the print
came back.
699
00:29:15,983 --> 00:29:18,156
SERENA:
The only theory of the case
had two assailants.
700
00:29:18,219 --> 00:29:20,529
Foley's prints
are as good a match
to the print on the gun
701
00:29:20,588 --> 00:29:22,067
as Campbell's,
and he admitted
the killing
702
00:29:22,123 --> 00:29:23,932
to our friend Edwards
up in Sing Sing.
703
00:29:24,225 --> 00:29:26,398
And Brenda Warren
ran drugs for Gifford.
704
00:29:27,195 --> 00:29:30,233
So if Gifford and Foley
committed the murder,
705
00:29:30,298 --> 00:29:32,073
it means Campbell
and Martin were innocent.
706
00:29:34,670 --> 00:29:36,343
I don't understand.
707
00:29:37,272 --> 00:29:40,014
Does this Russo
just make stuff up
out of whole cloth?
708
00:29:40,075 --> 00:29:44,023
Jack, I have known
Lisa Russo a long time.
709
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,218
She has always been
good people
710
00:29:46,281 --> 00:29:48,022
and the best in the lab.
711
00:29:48,083 --> 00:29:51,462
The FBI found seven other
false positives
that weren't even close.
712
00:29:52,855 --> 00:29:56,099
JACK:
Get the paperwork started
to get Campbell released.
713
00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:58,469
SERENA:
What do you want to do
about Brenda Warren?
714
00:29:59,862 --> 00:30:01,933
Pick her up
for perjury.
715
00:30:09,038 --> 00:30:11,018
Bobby Campbell
was just released.
716
00:30:11,074 --> 00:30:13,418
And I made arrangements
for Luke Campbell
to be there when he was.
717
00:30:13,476 --> 00:30:15,957
We dismissed
Luke Campbell's case,
right?
718
00:30:16,013 --> 00:30:19,017
His older brother
just spent more than
12 years in jail
719
00:30:19,083 --> 00:30:20,528
for a crime
he didn't commit.
720
00:30:20,584 --> 00:30:21,961
There isn't a jury
in the world
721
00:30:22,019 --> 00:30:23,692
that would reject
self-defense
and convict him.
722
00:30:23,754 --> 00:30:25,700
I'm not sure I'd want
to ask them to anyway.
723
00:30:26,623 --> 00:30:29,399
What are our chances
if we go after Russo
for manslaughter?
724
00:30:30,561 --> 00:30:32,905
We'd have to show
she knowingly lied
725
00:30:32,963 --> 00:30:35,103
and that her lie led
to Martin's death.
726
00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:37,836
But, for all we know,
she was using her judgment.
727
00:30:38,536 --> 00:30:41,449
The system can't be based
just on judgment calls.
728
00:30:41,506 --> 00:30:43,543
There has to be
a set of standards.
729
00:30:43,608 --> 00:30:45,815
Standards might not
take into account
730
00:30:45,877 --> 00:30:48,585
the complexity of
fingerprint analysis.
731
00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:51,753
Everything in the system
relies on
people's judgment, Nora.
732
00:30:51,816 --> 00:30:53,796
But when people
cross the line,
733
00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:55,332
they need to be
held accountable.
734
00:30:55,388 --> 00:30:58,062
We have no proof
that Russo
knowingly lied.
735
00:30:58,124 --> 00:31:00,502
Every one of her
so called mistakes
736
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,369
was made in favor
of the prosecution.
737
00:31:02,428 --> 00:31:06,899
To me, that means,
she was neither mistaken
nor is she incompetent.
738
00:31:06,966 --> 00:31:12,245
We'd also have to prove
that Martin's death was
a foreseeable consequence.
739
00:31:12,338 --> 00:31:13,817
In Sing Sing?
Yeah.
740
00:31:14,775 --> 00:31:17,779
Prison officials
won't like us
airing their laundry.
741
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:21,156
Then they should
clean up their act.
742
00:31:24,418 --> 00:31:25,829
What now?
743
00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:29,291
I need you to come down
to the precinct.
744
00:31:29,356 --> 00:31:30,630
I've got a lab to run.
745
00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:31,930
Get somebody to cover.
746
00:31:31,992 --> 00:31:33,972
I'm giving you
a heads up here, Lisa.
747
00:31:34,027 --> 00:31:35,735
You know what, Anita,
748
00:31:35,797 --> 00:31:38,073
I'm done being polite
because we're friends.
749
00:31:38,132 --> 00:31:40,305
I even watched
while you people let
a convicted murderer
750
00:31:40,368 --> 00:31:41,847
walk out the door.
751
00:31:41,903 --> 00:31:43,644
I'm not gonna be
quiet anymore.
752
00:31:43,705 --> 00:31:46,276
Well, if you
do start talking,
I have to warn you
753
00:31:46,341 --> 00:31:48,048
you have the right
to remain silent.
754
00:31:48,109 --> 00:31:49,520
What the hell is this?
Lisa Russo,
you're under arrest
755
00:31:49,577 --> 00:31:52,387
for manslaughter
in the death of
Larry Martin.
756
00:31:54,248 --> 00:31:55,626
You have the right
to an attorney.
757
00:31:55,684 --> 00:31:58,460
If you cannot afford one,
one will be provided for you.
758
00:31:58,554 --> 00:32:00,556
You understand
these rights...
759
00:32:03,425 --> 00:32:05,530
She's a civil servant
what are you
arraigning her on?
760
00:32:05,594 --> 00:32:06,664
JACK: Man two.
761
00:32:06,729 --> 00:32:07,935
SERENA:
And there's no offer.
762
00:32:07,996 --> 00:32:11,205
Oh, come on.
You don't have a chance
at trial and you know it.
763
00:32:11,967 --> 00:32:13,378
She'll take an unpaid leave
for six months,
764
00:32:13,435 --> 00:32:15,108
go through
rigorous retraining.
765
00:32:15,170 --> 00:32:16,707
This isn't a negotiation.
766
00:32:16,773 --> 00:32:18,047
You're right.
767
00:32:18,108 --> 00:32:21,248
Without proof that she acted
with any criminal intent,
it's a witch-hunt.
768
00:32:21,311 --> 00:32:23,655
Your client got up
in a court of law
and lied,
769
00:32:23,713 --> 00:32:27,217
knowing these juries
would rely
on her testimony.
770
00:32:27,283 --> 00:32:28,921
Innocent men
were sent to prison.
771
00:32:28,985 --> 00:32:30,726
One of them's dead
because of it.
772
00:32:30,787 --> 00:32:32,824
Any way you cut it,
it's manslaughter.
773
00:32:32,889 --> 00:32:34,368
(SIGHS DEEPLY)
774
00:32:34,424 --> 00:32:36,166
I can't believe this.
775
00:32:36,694 --> 00:32:39,106
You would send me to jail
for doing my job?
776
00:32:39,163 --> 00:32:41,302
Not a word, Lisa.
Not another word.
777
00:32:41,365 --> 00:32:42,742
We're done.
778
00:32:52,109 --> 00:32:55,283
Larry and I were
doing construction
back in '90.
779
00:32:55,346 --> 00:32:58,692
JACK: What, if anything,
happened on June 8th
of that year?
780
00:32:59,351 --> 00:33:02,525
Two detectives came
and arrested us
for murder.
781
00:33:02,587 --> 00:33:04,658
They said
they had a witness
that saw me and Larry
782
00:33:04,723 --> 00:33:06,498
kill some guy
near the job site.
783
00:33:06,558 --> 00:33:08,231
What did you think
at the time?
784
00:33:08,293 --> 00:33:11,331
Well, at first
I wasn't scared.
785
00:33:11,396 --> 00:33:12,898
I mean, I was innocent.
786
00:33:13,832 --> 00:33:15,436
I didn't know
who this guy was,
787
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:17,139
or how he got killed,
or anything like that.
788
00:33:17,203 --> 00:33:20,548
Then this
one female detective
came to see me in jail.
789
00:33:20,606 --> 00:33:23,280
Said they'd matched
my fingerprints
with the gun.
790
00:33:24,243 --> 00:33:27,053
After that it was
like a nightmare.
791
00:33:27,914 --> 00:33:29,188
What happened?
792
00:33:29,916 --> 00:33:31,793
The jury convicted me.
793
00:33:32,185 --> 00:33:34,290
Judge gave me 25-to-life.
794
00:33:35,254 --> 00:33:36,859
How did that
affect you?
795
00:33:39,726 --> 00:33:42,263
My wife and I tried
to hold it together,
796
00:33:42,329 --> 00:33:44,331
but finally got divorced.
797
00:33:45,566 --> 00:33:47,603
She thought
it would be better
for our baby
798
00:33:47,668 --> 00:33:51,241
if he didn't have
to deal with a father
that was in prison.
799
00:33:52,806 --> 00:33:54,547
She was right, but,
800
00:33:56,110 --> 00:33:58,557
my kid had to
grow up without me.
801
00:34:00,381 --> 00:34:02,019
And Larry Martin?
802
00:34:02,450 --> 00:34:05,693
Three years ago,
Larry got shanked
by another inmate.
803
00:34:06,287 --> 00:34:07,664
He died
in the infirmary.
804
00:34:09,791 --> 00:34:12,271
Larry just wasn't
cut out for prison life.
805
00:34:15,363 --> 00:34:16,467
Nothing further.
806
00:34:22,838 --> 00:34:24,511
You testified
at your trial
807
00:34:24,573 --> 00:34:27,019
that you were home
with your wife on
the day of the shooting?
808
00:34:27,076 --> 00:34:28,453
Yes.
809
00:34:28,510 --> 00:34:30,183
But a witness
identified you
and Mr. Martin
810
00:34:30,246 --> 00:34:31,919
as the two men
who were running
from the victim's auto
811
00:34:31,981 --> 00:34:33,722
after the shots,
isn't that right?
812
00:34:33,782 --> 00:34:37,492
All I know is
I spent 12 years in prison
for a crime I didn't commit.
813
00:34:37,554 --> 00:34:38,692
So you say,
814
00:34:39,255 --> 00:34:41,861
but the witness never
changed her story,
did she?
815
00:34:41,925 --> 00:34:43,836
Even after she was
arrested for perjury.
816
00:34:43,894 --> 00:34:45,032
Objection.
817
00:34:45,395 --> 00:34:46,772
JUDGE: Sustained.
818
00:34:48,598 --> 00:34:50,202
Nothing further.
819
00:34:53,970 --> 00:34:57,544
JACK: Mr. Foster, did you
examine a latent print
in this case,
820
00:34:57,608 --> 00:34:59,849
and compare it
to the prints
of Bobby Campbell?
821
00:34:59,911 --> 00:35:01,822
Yes, I did.
What were your findings?
822
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,824
Well, the print
on the firearm
was of no value.
823
00:35:04,882 --> 00:35:07,385
I could not determine
that it belonged
to Mr. Campbell.
824
00:35:07,451 --> 00:35:10,762
Did you also examine
20 other sets
of latent prints
825
00:35:10,822 --> 00:35:12,426
that had previously
been examined
826
00:35:12,490 --> 00:35:14,333
and identified
by the defendant?
827
00:35:14,392 --> 00:35:16,463
Yes. And in seven
out of the 20,
828
00:35:16,527 --> 00:35:18,804
I found she'd made
false positives.
829
00:35:18,864 --> 00:35:20,866
What conclusions
did you draw from that?
830
00:35:20,933 --> 00:35:22,674
The comparisons
that she was making
831
00:35:22,734 --> 00:35:25,840
were so far below
any standard that,
in my opinion,
832
00:35:25,904 --> 00:35:29,113
her testimony
in those cases
was knowingly false.
833
00:35:38,384 --> 00:35:41,297
How many points
does the FBI use
comparing prints?
834
00:35:41,354 --> 00:35:43,857
We don't rely on
any minimum number
at all.
835
00:35:43,923 --> 00:35:47,461
We rely on the expertise
and the overall impression
of the examiner.
836
00:35:48,061 --> 00:35:52,737
So, examiners are allowed
to make matches based on,
say, six points?
837
00:35:53,266 --> 00:35:55,712
Theoretically,
but other factors...
838
00:35:55,768 --> 00:35:59,182
In fact, fingerprint analysis
has never been
scientifically tested, has it?
839
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,741
Objection.
840
00:36:00,808 --> 00:36:02,788
The technique's
not on trial here,
Your Honor,
841
00:36:02,843 --> 00:36:03,913
Miss Russo is.
842
00:36:03,978 --> 00:36:07,653
Your Honor,
my client is being accused
of intentional inaccuracy.
843
00:36:07,715 --> 00:36:10,559
I think we should be
allowed to establish
that the technique itself
844
00:36:10,618 --> 00:36:12,154
may be inaccurate
and therefore to blame.
845
00:36:12,953 --> 00:36:14,296
I agree.
846
00:36:14,355 --> 00:36:16,392
But don't go too far
astray, Mr. Rowan.
847
00:36:17,024 --> 00:36:19,027
The objection's overruled.
848
00:36:19,094 --> 00:36:21,301
The methodology is
based on the premise
849
00:36:21,363 --> 00:36:24,435
that no two sets
of fingerprints
are alike.
850
00:36:24,499 --> 00:36:26,570
Yes, but no one
really knows
851
00:36:26,635 --> 00:36:28,637
what the error rates are,
do they?
852
00:36:29,271 --> 00:36:30,944
No.
Which means you can't
sit here today
853
00:36:31,006 --> 00:36:32,747
and tell us that print
is not Campbell's?
854
00:36:32,807 --> 00:36:33,945
Well, I don't
think it is...
855
00:36:34,009 --> 00:36:37,286
But you cannot
absolutely exclude him,
can you?
856
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,082
No, I can't.
857
00:36:46,822 --> 00:36:50,531
I observed
six matching points
between the latent print
858
00:36:50,593 --> 00:36:52,698
and the prints that
were provided to me.
859
00:36:53,262 --> 00:36:56,038
Agent Foster testified
that he couldn't find six.
860
00:36:56,432 --> 00:36:58,742
In my opinion he's being
overly conservative.
861
00:36:59,069 --> 00:37:01,549
So two examiners can
disagree in good faith.
862
00:37:01,605 --> 00:37:04,848
A good examiner uses
his or her best judgment.
863
00:37:05,242 --> 00:37:08,280
The lab standard is 12,
but that's a guideline only.
864
00:37:08,779 --> 00:37:10,816
And in the Campbell case,
I used my judgment
865
00:37:10,881 --> 00:37:13,487
and relied on
my expertise
and experience.
866
00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:15,461
I've been doing that
for over 19 years.
867
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:17,157
Have you ever
made a mistake?
868
00:37:17,321 --> 00:37:18,322
Well, I hope not.
869
00:37:18,422 --> 00:37:21,063
That would be
a fingerprint examiner's
worst nightmare.
870
00:37:21,859 --> 00:37:22,963
All I can say is
871
00:37:23,027 --> 00:37:25,598
that I performed my job
the way I was
trained to do it,
872
00:37:25,663 --> 00:37:28,439
and I did the very best
that I could do.
873
00:37:38,142 --> 00:37:39,382
You said you thought
874
00:37:39,878 --> 00:37:42,324
that Agent Foster
was being
too conservative.
875
00:37:43,182 --> 00:37:44,661
That's right.
876
00:37:45,317 --> 00:37:46,990
And you're comfortable
877
00:37:47,052 --> 00:37:49,532
with a minimum number
of six matching points?
878
00:37:49,588 --> 00:37:50,726
Yes.
879
00:37:50,789 --> 00:37:54,236
Are there other examiners
in your lab who require more?
880
00:37:54,293 --> 00:37:56,603
Yes. It's a matter of
professional judgment.
881
00:37:56,662 --> 00:37:58,767
But no one who
relies on less.
882
00:37:59,398 --> 00:38:00,901
I suppose not.
883
00:38:04,004 --> 00:38:05,278
Does the name
Simon Garrison
884
00:38:05,338 --> 00:38:07,340
mean anything to you,
Miss Russo?
885
00:38:07,407 --> 00:38:08,886
Not off hand.
886
00:38:09,276 --> 00:38:10,983
How about the face?
887
00:38:13,213 --> 00:38:14,248
No.
888
00:38:14,314 --> 00:38:16,123
1998.
889
00:38:16,182 --> 00:38:19,254
Your testimony
was the key piece of
evidence against him.
890
00:38:19,319 --> 00:38:20,560
If you say so.
891
00:38:22,223 --> 00:38:23,896
Isn't it the case,
892
00:38:23,958 --> 00:38:27,428
that after
four other examiners
in your office
893
00:38:27,495 --> 00:38:29,202
had examined the prints
894
00:38:29,263 --> 00:38:31,265
and refused to
declare a match,
895
00:38:31,332 --> 00:38:33,744
that you had the case
reassigned to yourself?
896
00:38:33,801 --> 00:38:36,145
In my opinion,
the prints were a match.
897
00:38:38,305 --> 00:38:39,909
How about John Quilty?
898
00:38:41,143 --> 00:38:44,522
Three other
examiners refused,
you declared a match.
899
00:38:45,147 --> 00:38:46,785
I don't remember.
900
00:38:46,848 --> 00:38:47,849
Danny Meyer.
901
00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:51,130
Again, three
other examiners.
902
00:38:51,186 --> 00:38:53,564
Your Honor...
I looked at the prints
in those cases.
903
00:38:53,622 --> 00:38:56,501
They could be matched,
so I reassigned them
to myself.
904
00:38:56,558 --> 00:38:58,333
I don't see anything
wrong with that.
905
00:38:58,393 --> 00:38:59,804
JACK: You don't?
906
00:39:00,462 --> 00:39:01,908
Case after case,
907
00:39:02,498 --> 00:39:04,136
you got on
a witness stand,
908
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,202
cloaked in the aura
of an expert,
909
00:39:06,269 --> 00:39:08,545
and declared
a scientific certainty,
910
00:39:08,604 --> 00:39:11,141
when in fact,
numerous other examiners,
911
00:39:11,207 --> 00:39:13,050
had said that they
were not a match.
912
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:15,783
I have 19 years experience.
913
00:39:15,845 --> 00:39:17,825
I use my best judgment.
914
00:39:18,114 --> 00:39:20,253
And your best judgment
915
00:39:20,316 --> 00:39:22,888
sent Bobby Campbell
and Larry Martin to prison.
916
00:39:22,953 --> 00:39:23,954
Two innocent men!
917
00:39:24,021 --> 00:39:25,796
A jury did that.
918
00:39:25,856 --> 00:39:29,770
Relying on evidence
testified to by you.
919
00:39:29,827 --> 00:39:33,138
There was also
an eye witness,
the same blood type.
920
00:39:33,197 --> 00:39:34,870
And you knew that,
when you looked
921
00:39:34,932 --> 00:39:36,377
at those fingerprints
didn't you?
922
00:39:36,433 --> 00:39:39,277
Oh, they were guilty.
Everybody knew that.
923
00:39:39,336 --> 00:39:44,184
Not until you decided to
declare the prints a match.
924
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,482
Madam Foreperson,
have the members of
the jury reached a verdict?
925
00:40:16,542 --> 00:40:18,317
Yes, we have,
Your Honor.
926
00:40:18,377 --> 00:40:20,482
In the matter of the people
of the state of New York
927
00:40:20,546 --> 00:40:23,187
against Lisa Russo,
how do you find?
928
00:40:23,984 --> 00:40:26,794
On the charge of Manslaughter
in the Second Degree,
929
00:40:26,853 --> 00:40:28,833
we the jury,
find the defendant
930
00:40:28,889 --> 00:40:30,129
sunny,
931
00:40:30,457 --> 00:40:32,164
(PEOPLE MURMURING)
932
00:40:36,062 --> 00:40:38,042
(BREATHES DEEPLY)
933
00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:58,023
(KNOCKS ON DOOR)
934
00:40:58,252 --> 00:40:59,925
I finished those
fives you wanted.
935
00:40:59,987 --> 00:41:01,261
Oh, thanks.
936
00:41:02,658 --> 00:41:04,069
(SIGHING)
937
00:41:05,827 --> 00:41:07,465
I'm fine, Lennie.
938
00:41:08,096 --> 00:41:09,803
I just wanted
to make sure.
939
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,443
You know, you nudge
a witness in the right
direction at a line up,
940
00:41:15,137 --> 00:41:17,708
the gun was
in plain view,
941
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,381
not under the seat.
942
00:41:21,477 --> 00:41:23,219
We do that
all the time.
943
00:41:24,814 --> 00:41:27,693
You wouldn't have
passed off those
prints to the D.A.
944
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:30,094
unless she told you
there was a match.
945
00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:37,337
Closing that case
got me noticed, Lennie.
946
00:41:41,931 --> 00:41:44,310
And I used to hear
the whispers
947
00:41:44,368 --> 00:41:46,314
and the chatter
behind my back.
948
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:48,748
"She got it
'cause she's black."
949
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,652
"She got it
'cause she's a woman."
950
00:41:53,277 --> 00:41:55,382
And I never listened
to that crap
951
00:41:55,446 --> 00:41:59,417
because I knew
I had earned it.
952
00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:05,563
You made lieutenant
because you're a great cop.
953
00:42:06,558 --> 00:42:08,299
All the drug collars
you made,
954
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,136
all the killers
you put behind bars.
955
00:42:11,196 --> 00:42:14,075
This one case
isn't gonna undo
all of that.
956
00:42:17,102 --> 00:42:19,013
I'm not so sure, Lennie.
957
00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:22,540
(SIGHS)
958
00:42:23,709 --> 00:42:25,814
I'm not so sure.
959
00:42:34,353 --> 00:42:35,696
(DOOR BUZZING)
960
00:42:40,092 --> 00:42:41,298
Thank you.
961
00:42:46,533 --> 00:42:49,480
If you came here
to apologize,
do us both a favor,
962
00:42:49,903 --> 00:42:52,577
don't.
You know, I have been
963
00:42:53,173 --> 00:42:56,313
racking my brain
trying to figure out
964
00:42:56,376 --> 00:42:59,357
if I gave you any signals
that I wanted you to do this.
965
00:43:00,981 --> 00:43:04,122
Oh, so you came by
to make yourself
feel better.
966
00:43:04,185 --> 00:43:06,222
To confirm your
moral superiority.
967
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,801
I want to know
why you did it.
968
00:43:17,432 --> 00:43:20,106
Those were people's lives
you were playing with.
969
00:43:20,168 --> 00:43:22,876
You know, I don't recall
you crying so hard
970
00:43:22,937 --> 00:43:24,645
when you made
first grade
off this case.
971
00:43:24,706 --> 00:43:27,744
I never knew you lied!
972
00:43:27,810 --> 00:43:29,721
Oh, please!
973
00:43:29,778 --> 00:43:32,190
You people come in,
you give me the evidence.
974
00:43:32,247 --> 00:43:34,659
You tell me,
"See what you can
come up with, Lisa."
975
00:43:34,717 --> 00:43:37,561
And I gave you
exactly what you wanted.
976
00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:38,758
(PANTING)
977
00:43:38,821 --> 00:43:41,893
And you know what?
You are the worst
kind of hypocrite.
978
00:43:43,926 --> 00:43:45,907
And are you really
gonna sit there
979
00:43:45,962 --> 00:43:49,000
and tell me that
you don't blur
the boundaries?
980
00:43:49,632 --> 00:43:51,202
Go home
981
00:43:51,668 --> 00:43:53,841
and look in
the mirror, Anita.
982
00:43:53,903 --> 00:43:55,280
And when you do,
983
00:43:55,338 --> 00:43:58,979
you ask yourself
is it right
that I'm in here
984
00:43:59,042 --> 00:44:01,022
(SHOUTING)
and you're not?
985
00:44:05,182 --> 00:44:06,525
Guard!