1 00:00:01,592 --> 00:00:03,299 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:03,361 --> 00:00:07,275 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:07,331 --> 00:00:09,140 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,044 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:12,103 --> 00:00:13,741 These are their stories. 6 00:00:15,073 --> 00:00:17,519 Oh, come on, papi It's too damn cold out here for this. 7 00:00:17,575 --> 00:00:20,488 Too cold? What'd I raise here, a man or a ratoncito? 8 00:00:20,545 --> 00:00:23,252 Hey, actually you didn't raise me at all. Mommy raised me. 9 00:00:23,346 --> 00:00:24,950 You were always too busy workin'. 10 00:00:25,015 --> 00:00:28,394 Yeah, puttin' clothes on everybody's back, taking care of the family. 11 00:00:28,518 --> 00:00:30,896 Just be quiet now. You're scarin' away my fish. 12 00:00:30,954 --> 00:00:33,730 Look, can we just go over to Gristedes and buy some? 13 00:00:33,790 --> 00:00:36,236 I promise to let you tell everybody you caught it, okay? 14 00:00:36,293 --> 00:00:39,103 Look, when you do a job, you do it right, all right? 15 00:00:39,162 --> 00:00:41,699 Oh, oh, I think I got a nibble. 16 00:00:41,765 --> 00:00:44,371 Whoa! (GRUNTING) Damn, it's heavy! 17 00:00:44,434 --> 00:00:45,572 It's probably all the mercury. 18 00:00:45,635 --> 00:00:47,615 Gimme a hand here. Hurry up. 19 00:00:52,509 --> 00:00:54,284 VICTOR: Ay, Dios mio, pa. 20 00:00:57,347 --> 00:00:59,850 So what's the story? Girl meets bridge? 21 00:00:59,916 --> 00:01:03,056 Girl meets bullet. Then girl meets river. 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,258 I love a happy ending. 23 00:01:04,321 --> 00:01:05,732 Any idea how long ago? 24 00:01:05,789 --> 00:01:08,359 It's hard to say with the bloating and decomposition. 25 00:01:08,424 --> 00:01:10,335 Three, maybe four weeks. 26 00:01:10,392 --> 00:01:12,804 You didn't find any ID floating around, did you? 27 00:01:12,862 --> 00:01:15,069 Nah. Just the clothes she went in with. 28 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:19,946 Oh, looks like somebody did a number on her face. 29 00:01:20,002 --> 00:01:22,141 Something, more likely. 30 00:01:22,204 --> 00:01:25,208 Fish. They go for the eyes first. 31 00:02:16,324 --> 00:02:19,771 Victim's between 25 and 35, 5"6'. 32 00:02:19,827 --> 00:02:23,434 Death was caused by a single .22 caliber slug to the left temple region. 33 00:02:23,498 --> 00:02:25,409 Blow back. Up close and personal. 34 00:02:25,466 --> 00:02:27,070 Any sign of sexual assault? 35 00:02:27,135 --> 00:02:28,637 That long in the river, I couldn't tell you. 36 00:02:28,703 --> 00:02:30,683 What about her clothes? Anything there? 37 00:02:30,772 --> 00:02:33,582 Mass manufactured. Nothin' unusual. 38 00:02:33,641 --> 00:02:37,247 You might check out her belt buckle though Looks handcrafted. 39 00:02:37,311 --> 00:02:39,222 There's an insignia stamped into the silver. 40 00:02:39,279 --> 00:02:40,587 Could be Native American. 41 00:02:40,647 --> 00:02:43,127 American Indian Museum downtown might give us a leg up. 42 00:02:43,183 --> 00:02:45,993 Jane Doe with a buckle. Another promising start. 43 00:02:46,053 --> 00:02:48,499 Oh, actually, I'm thinkin' more like Jane Dietrich. 44 00:02:49,256 --> 00:02:51,759 Given her dental work, she's probably a German national. 45 00:02:51,825 --> 00:02:52,895 How do you know that? 46 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,340 Stateside metal crowns are usually custom made from gold or silver. 47 00:02:57,397 --> 00:02:59,638 Hers are generically stamped out of stainless steel. 48 00:02:59,700 --> 00:03:01,043 We don't do that? 49 00:03:01,101 --> 00:03:03,240 A couple of quack dentists in Texas tried. 50 00:03:03,837 --> 00:03:05,783 This technique's definitely German. 51 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:08,711 ED: We figure she either emigrated to the U.S. 52 00:03:08,775 --> 00:03:10,277 or she came here on a tourist visa. 53 00:03:10,344 --> 00:03:11,448 You talk with the consulate? 54 00:03:11,511 --> 00:03:14,617 Mmm-hmm. No German national is reported missing in New York State. 55 00:03:14,681 --> 00:03:17,025 Now, with Argentina, it's a whole different story. 56 00:03:17,084 --> 00:03:18,825 What about travel visas? 57 00:03:18,885 --> 00:03:21,455 Over 6,000 in the past three months. 58 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:22,692 Hey, the dollar's down. 59 00:03:22,755 --> 00:03:28,398 And of those, 2,346 went to females between the ages of 25 to 35. 60 00:03:28,461 --> 00:03:30,771 It'll take us till Oktoberfest to run through all of them. 61 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:31,831 That's it? 62 00:03:31,897 --> 00:03:34,639 Well, we sent her dental records to the Fatherland. 63 00:03:34,700 --> 00:03:36,111 Oh, that could take months. 64 00:03:36,168 --> 00:03:38,808 In the meantime, let's work with what we've got. 65 00:03:41,374 --> 00:03:43,047 BRISCOE: Littlemoon Birdsong? 66 00:03:43,109 --> 00:03:44,611 If this is about those parking tickets, 67 00:03:44,677 --> 00:03:47,283 I was gonna send a check tomorrow, I swear. Take it easy. 68 00:03:47,346 --> 00:03:50,384 You're not gonna lose your micro-bus. We're Homicide. 69 00:03:50,449 --> 00:03:51,553 Homicide? 70 00:03:51,617 --> 00:03:54,359 The curator at the Indian Museum thought this might be your work. 71 00:03:56,622 --> 00:03:58,829 Yeah, that's mine. 72 00:03:58,891 --> 00:04:01,303 I did a series of them last year. 73 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,931 But I don't understand what this has to do with a homicide. 74 00:04:03,996 --> 00:04:06,942 The victim was wearing that buckle when she was killed. 75 00:04:06,998 --> 00:04:08,375 (SIGHS) 76 00:04:10,402 --> 00:04:13,008 Actually, it's an Apache peace symbol. 77 00:04:13,405 --> 00:04:15,715 Didn't protect them much either. 78 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,184 We're gonna need a list of your customers. 79 00:04:18,243 --> 00:04:19,916 Oh, I don't do retail. 80 00:04:19,978 --> 00:04:23,482 Credit card receipts, sales tax, marketing plans... 81 00:04:23,548 --> 00:04:25,323 A little too time consuming. 82 00:04:25,817 --> 00:04:27,455 So where do you sell your work? 83 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:29,362 A little boutique in Chelsea. 84 00:04:31,089 --> 00:04:33,160 I let them deal with the headaches now. 85 00:04:34,326 --> 00:04:36,670 I wish we all could. Thanks. 86 00:04:38,363 --> 00:04:40,934 Littlemoon Birdsong, my ass. 87 00:04:40,999 --> 00:04:43,536 Her name's Linda Epstein from Cedarhurst. 88 00:04:43,601 --> 00:04:44,875 Different tribe altogether. 89 00:04:44,936 --> 00:04:48,042 Yeah. I sold this. It's some sort of peace thing. 90 00:04:48,106 --> 00:04:49,914 We're trying to locate the woman who may have bought it. 91 00:04:49,973 --> 00:04:52,249 You remember everyone you arrest, Detective? 92 00:04:52,343 --> 00:04:54,755 She might have had a German accent. 93 00:04:54,812 --> 00:04:57,156 (SCOFFS) Everybody's got an accent these days. 94 00:04:57,214 --> 00:04:59,558 Okay, what about credit card records? Sales receipts? 95 00:04:59,616 --> 00:05:02,187 You understand, we're mostly a cash business. 96 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,890 We're not interested in your relationship 97 00:05:04,955 --> 00:05:06,093 with the tax collector, Ms. Martin. 98 00:05:06,156 --> 00:05:07,999 We just want to know who bought the buckle. 99 00:05:08,392 --> 00:05:10,668 Well, a lot of our customers sign our mailing list. 100 00:05:10,728 --> 00:05:11,729 Would that do it? 101 00:05:11,795 --> 00:05:13,468 BRISCOE: We're gonna need everything. 102 00:05:13,530 --> 00:05:15,441 Now, the list I need back next week. 103 00:05:15,499 --> 00:05:17,740 We're sending out a new mailer. 104 00:05:17,801 --> 00:05:19,712 Indonesian death masks. 105 00:05:21,939 --> 00:05:25,580 Guys, here's the Missing Persons. The whole Tri-State area. 106 00:05:25,642 --> 00:05:26,848 They go back six months, right? 107 00:05:26,910 --> 00:05:28,150 Just like you asked, Detective. 108 00:05:28,212 --> 00:05:29,486 Thank you. 109 00:05:30,681 --> 00:05:33,593 Another no answer. That makes seven. 110 00:05:33,649 --> 00:05:34,992 Yeah. 111 00:05:35,485 --> 00:05:38,989 Oh. Okay. Thanks anyway. Yeah, I'll tell him. 112 00:05:39,856 --> 00:05:42,769 Chessie Shaw, New Milford, New Jersey. Alive and well. 113 00:05:42,825 --> 00:05:44,532 You tell her about the death masks? 114 00:05:44,594 --> 00:05:45,868 ED: That's everybody on my list. 115 00:05:45,928 --> 00:05:47,566 What does that leave us with? 116 00:05:47,630 --> 00:05:50,839 Uh, that's seven no answers, a disconnect 117 00:05:50,900 --> 00:05:52,971 and five unlisted numbers. 118 00:05:53,069 --> 00:05:54,309 Any luck so far? 119 00:05:54,370 --> 00:05:58,079 Well, I figure either Our Lady of the Hudson wasn't on the mailing list, 120 00:05:58,141 --> 00:05:59,779 or the belt buckle was a gift. 121 00:06:00,243 --> 00:06:02,849 Here's somethin'. Karen Hall. 122 00:06:02,912 --> 00:06:06,826 Investigator in the New York State Attorney General's Criminal Division upstate. 123 00:06:06,883 --> 00:06:08,191 Disappeared six weeks ago. 124 00:06:08,251 --> 00:06:10,527 That could be my Albany disconnect. 125 00:06:10,586 --> 00:06:12,361 Same age and height. 126 00:06:12,422 --> 00:06:13,992 Well, the hair color's similar but I thought 127 00:06:14,056 --> 00:06:15,933 we were looking for a German national. 128 00:06:15,992 --> 00:06:19,996 Says in her bio her father was a bird colonel in the Army stationed in... 129 00:06:20,562 --> 00:06:21,734 Germany. 130 00:06:22,764 --> 00:06:24,641 Eight years. Moved to Albany in '89. 131 00:06:29,704 --> 00:06:33,811 We were Army brats. Baden Spa, Berlin. 132 00:06:34,676 --> 00:06:38,419 My sisters and me, we spent our childhoods being dragged from base to base. 133 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,017 Karen was the only one who seemed to enjoy it. 134 00:06:41,083 --> 00:06:42,653 She loved meeting new people. 135 00:06:42,717 --> 00:06:45,823 ED: And when was the last time you had contact with your sister? 136 00:06:45,954 --> 00:06:47,456 The day she disappeared. 137 00:06:47,956 --> 00:06:51,165 Karen was in Manhattan on a work assignment. We spoke on the phone. 138 00:06:52,060 --> 00:06:54,370 I didn't realize it would be the last time I'd hear her voice. 139 00:06:55,664 --> 00:06:57,575 When you say "work assignment," 140 00:06:57,632 --> 00:06:59,942 you mean for the Attorney General's Office? 141 00:07:00,001 --> 00:07:01,036 Right. 142 00:07:01,103 --> 00:07:03,104 ED: Any idea what she was working on? 143 00:07:03,170 --> 00:07:05,616 She didn't talk about her job much. 144 00:07:05,673 --> 00:07:07,209 She took it seriously, though. 145 00:07:07,274 --> 00:07:09,276 What time was it when you spoke to her? 146 00:07:09,343 --> 00:07:11,118 VINCENT: Maybe 5:00, 5:30. 147 00:07:11,946 --> 00:07:13,186 Did she say where she was? 148 00:07:13,247 --> 00:07:14,749 She was on her cell phone. 149 00:07:15,749 --> 00:07:17,990 I thought maybe we could have an early dinner, 150 00:07:18,419 --> 00:07:20,592 but Karen said it would have to be another time. 151 00:07:21,155 --> 00:07:24,034 She was heading to catch the Amtrak back to Albany. 152 00:07:25,192 --> 00:07:28,139 You know, I told all this to the State Troopers when they were here. 153 00:07:28,195 --> 00:07:29,833 ED: This is just routine, Mr. Hall. 154 00:07:29,897 --> 00:07:32,036 Did Karen have any friends in Manhattan? 155 00:07:32,099 --> 00:07:34,978 Somebody who might have changed her mind about goin' home? 156 00:07:35,936 --> 00:07:38,109 She'd only been in the city maybe once or twice. 157 00:07:38,472 --> 00:07:40,918 She didn't know anyone here, outside of work. 158 00:07:41,375 --> 00:07:43,514 And you reported her missing the following Monday? 159 00:07:43,777 --> 00:07:47,349 She was supposed to go furniture shopping with Nancy in Rhinebeck, 160 00:07:48,081 --> 00:07:50,459 but she never showed up. 161 00:07:53,319 --> 00:07:55,765 You guys got any idea who did this to her? 162 00:07:55,889 --> 00:07:57,596 We're workin' on it, Mr. Hall. 163 00:07:57,824 --> 00:07:59,235 Well, work hard. 164 00:08:01,060 --> 00:08:03,097 'Cause Karen was the baby of the family. 165 00:08:03,162 --> 00:08:06,075 She was the favorite, you know. 166 00:08:07,367 --> 00:08:09,074 And I was her big brother. 167 00:08:12,772 --> 00:08:15,582 Karen started with the office's upstate division five years ago 168 00:08:15,642 --> 00:08:18,122 as a paralegal in Mr. Conroy's bureau. 169 00:08:18,211 --> 00:08:20,589 When did she get the bump up to investigator? 170 00:08:20,647 --> 00:08:22,752 I signed off on her promotion only six months ago, 171 00:08:22,815 --> 00:08:25,421 which is what makes what happened such a waste. 172 00:08:26,019 --> 00:08:27,896 Karen was something of a project in the bureau. 173 00:08:27,954 --> 00:08:29,058 Project? 174 00:08:29,122 --> 00:08:32,432 Well, it was obvious from the beginning that she had a real feel for the work. 175 00:08:32,491 --> 00:08:34,027 It all came naturally to her. 176 00:08:34,092 --> 00:08:35,799 Karen just lacked some of the formal training 177 00:08:35,861 --> 00:08:37,499 and education she needed to move forward. 178 00:08:37,563 --> 00:08:39,065 Eventually it all came together. 179 00:08:39,131 --> 00:08:41,270 You have any working theories? 180 00:08:41,333 --> 00:08:44,371 Had. Till her body turned up in Manhattan. 181 00:08:44,436 --> 00:08:48,748 We have a witness that puts her in the Albany train station at 9:30 that night. 182 00:08:48,807 --> 00:08:52,721 And confirms her brother's story that she was taking the 6:45 from Manhattan. 183 00:08:52,811 --> 00:08:54,051 The timing worked. 184 00:08:54,646 --> 00:08:57,650 Ms. Shore, we're gonna need to follow up on the interviews. 185 00:08:58,083 --> 00:09:00,495 Of course. I'll help you guys out with anything you need. 186 00:09:03,956 --> 00:09:06,493 FRANKS: The car was locked. No sign of a break-in. 187 00:09:06,558 --> 00:09:08,060 We figure she was snatched somewhere between 188 00:09:08,126 --> 00:09:09,867 the platform and the parking lot. 189 00:09:10,462 --> 00:09:12,965 I would've come to the same conclusion. 190 00:09:13,031 --> 00:09:15,067 Either of you know Ms. Hall personally? 191 00:09:15,132 --> 00:09:16,577 Just to say hello. 192 00:09:17,335 --> 00:09:19,508 I worked a case with her once when she was a paralegal. 193 00:09:19,570 --> 00:09:20,708 She was good people. 194 00:09:20,771 --> 00:09:23,479 You find any signs of personal problems while you were knockin' around? 195 00:09:23,541 --> 00:09:26,147 No debts, no drugs, no gambling. 196 00:09:26,811 --> 00:09:28,188 Nothing out of the ordinary. 197 00:09:28,245 --> 00:09:29,986 No death threats, huh? 198 00:09:31,248 --> 00:09:34,320 She have any overdue library books in her apartment? 199 00:09:34,485 --> 00:09:38,023 Just a half-starved Cocker Spaniel and a closet full of clothes. 200 00:09:38,089 --> 00:09:40,467 Yeah, it was pretty much a cold trail after the station. 201 00:09:40,524 --> 00:09:41,730 What about this newsstand guy? 202 00:09:41,792 --> 00:09:43,465 The one that says he saw her that night? 203 00:09:43,527 --> 00:09:45,598 Hardworking Turkish. 204 00:09:45,663 --> 00:09:47,506 Been at the station over 10 years. 205 00:09:47,832 --> 00:09:49,470 We're gonna need to talk to him. 206 00:09:49,533 --> 00:09:51,103 DAVIS: I'll run you right over now, if you want. 207 00:09:54,138 --> 00:09:56,812 I told the truth. Nothing but the truth. 208 00:09:56,874 --> 00:09:59,184 Nobody's accusing you of lying, Mr. Hoca. 209 00:09:59,243 --> 00:10:00,687 Take your time, sir. 210 00:10:00,744 --> 00:10:03,418 This lady in the picture, she came in on the train 211 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,687 on the night of the 19th of February 212 00:10:05,749 --> 00:10:07,820 and bought magazines in my kiosk. 213 00:10:07,884 --> 00:10:10,660 Then she walk away, out that... 214 00:10:11,287 --> 00:10:12,823 Out that door? 215 00:10:13,490 --> 00:10:15,561 Are you... Are you asking or telling? 216 00:10:15,625 --> 00:10:17,263 I think this is the truth. 217 00:10:17,727 --> 00:10:21,368 Yeah, but you didn't actually see her get off the train, right? 218 00:10:21,431 --> 00:10:25,038 Me? No. The troopers, they say she was on the train. 219 00:10:25,602 --> 00:10:27,878 Can you describe this woman, Mr. Hoca? 220 00:10:29,205 --> 00:10:33,415 Blonde hair, middle height, middle weight. 221 00:10:34,411 --> 00:10:36,721 Was she dragging a flowered travel bag? 222 00:10:36,780 --> 00:10:38,157 You know, the kind you wheel around? 223 00:10:38,214 --> 00:10:41,252 Yes. I remember. I see that. 224 00:10:43,019 --> 00:10:44,122 Thank you, very much, sir. 225 00:10:44,386 --> 00:10:47,128 It's, uh, okay? I did good? 226 00:10:47,189 --> 00:10:48,759 Oh, you did fine. 227 00:10:50,893 --> 00:10:54,033 Oh, he's the most convincing witness I've heard since Kato Kaelin. 228 00:10:54,096 --> 00:10:55,734 He seemed solid when we interviewed him. 229 00:10:55,798 --> 00:10:57,675 Who else did you talk to during your investigation? 230 00:10:57,733 --> 00:10:59,770 Hey, we did our damn job. 231 00:10:59,835 --> 00:11:01,371 Did you canvass the damn area? 232 00:11:01,437 --> 00:11:04,077 Did you talk to the regular damn commuters? 233 00:11:04,139 --> 00:11:06,210 Somebody on the train must've remembered seeing her. 234 00:11:06,275 --> 00:11:08,846 Did you talk to the conductors? The other vendors? 235 00:11:08,911 --> 00:11:10,254 Hey, we talked to everybody, okay? 236 00:11:10,312 --> 00:11:12,223 The Turk was the only one who saw her. 237 00:11:12,281 --> 00:11:13,988 And that didn't tell you something? 238 00:11:15,517 --> 00:11:18,964 Look, I tell you something, it stays off the record. 239 00:11:19,555 --> 00:11:21,364 We're all cops here, man. 240 00:11:21,724 --> 00:11:24,136 The fact is, Jim and I had our own doubts. 241 00:11:24,193 --> 00:11:25,570 Doubts about what? 242 00:11:25,627 --> 00:11:28,903 About the direction the case was being steered by the A.G.'s office. 243 00:11:28,963 --> 00:11:30,601 What direction was that? 244 00:11:30,665 --> 00:11:34,340 My personal opinion, and I don't have any evidence to support this. 245 00:11:34,402 --> 00:11:35,506 It's all right. I hear you. 246 00:11:35,870 --> 00:11:38,350 They glommed on to the train-snatch theory for their own reasons. 247 00:11:38,406 --> 00:11:39,851 ED: And the right reasons would be? 248 00:11:39,907 --> 00:11:43,855 Let's just say I don't think the A.G. wanted to face the possibility 249 00:11:43,911 --> 00:11:47,723 that Karen Hall's killer might be some guy from one of their own case files. 250 00:11:53,821 --> 00:11:56,062 Well, naturally we considered the possibility it was work related. 251 00:11:56,124 --> 00:11:57,364 It's the first thing we thought of. 252 00:11:57,425 --> 00:12:00,736 But we couldn't uncover any hard evidence to support the theory. 253 00:12:00,828 --> 00:12:04,742 With all due respect, Mr. Conroy, how hard did you consider it? 254 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:06,107 Well, we pulled our case files. 255 00:12:06,167 --> 00:12:07,646 We examined every possibility. 256 00:12:07,702 --> 00:12:10,649 But, uh, all the evidence pointed back to Albany. 257 00:12:10,705 --> 00:12:13,150 We're going to need to go over all of her files. 258 00:12:13,206 --> 00:12:15,117 Everything she was working on at the time. 259 00:12:15,709 --> 00:12:17,382 Some of those cases are still pending. 260 00:12:17,511 --> 00:12:20,617 We're not going to compromise any of my investigations, are we, Lieutenant? 261 00:12:21,348 --> 00:12:23,191 You can count on our discretion. 262 00:12:24,351 --> 00:12:25,523 I don't see a problem. 263 00:12:25,585 --> 00:12:28,998 I'll have some of those case files copied and sent off to your precinct. 264 00:12:29,055 --> 00:12:31,126 Well, I'd like to get my men started on the case 265 00:12:31,191 --> 00:12:33,398 she was working the day she disappeared. 266 00:12:33,593 --> 00:12:34,697 SHORE: Alec? 267 00:12:34,761 --> 00:12:37,298 Uh, Nate Richards. A nursing home fraud. 268 00:12:37,364 --> 00:12:39,435 It was a joint prosecution with the Feds. 269 00:12:39,499 --> 00:12:41,877 And Karen Hall was sent to Manhattan for what? 270 00:12:41,935 --> 00:12:44,575 We had a reluctant witness. I wanted Karen to hold her hand. 271 00:12:44,638 --> 00:12:46,879 VAN BUREN: Why was the witness reluctant? 272 00:12:46,940 --> 00:12:50,888 Defendant's ex. She was having second thoughts about testifying against him. 273 00:12:50,944 --> 00:12:52,582 And that aroused no suspicion? 274 00:12:52,846 --> 00:12:54,917 We had Richards interviewed extensively. 275 00:12:54,981 --> 00:12:56,119 ALEC: It was a dead end. 276 00:12:56,316 --> 00:12:58,420 But, listen, I understand you have a job to do. 277 00:12:58,484 --> 00:13:01,021 Uh, I can make a call to the facility. 278 00:13:01,086 --> 00:13:03,657 Your guys are certainly welcome to take a stab at him. 279 00:13:06,325 --> 00:13:08,100 RICHARDS: Like I told the guy from the A.G.'s office. 280 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,572 I wouldn't know Karen Hall if I fell over the broad. 281 00:13:10,629 --> 00:13:12,336 Interesting choice of words. 282 00:13:12,398 --> 00:13:14,969 Ms. Hall was one of the investigators on your case. 283 00:13:15,034 --> 00:13:17,036 I never laid eyes on her. I mean, what is it with you guys? 284 00:13:17,136 --> 00:13:19,343 She was working with Angela Cofresta 285 00:13:19,405 --> 00:13:21,578 at the time of her disappearance. 286 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,210 You remember Angela? 287 00:13:23,275 --> 00:13:26,484 Bitch gave me up when I wouldn't leave my wife. 288 00:13:26,612 --> 00:13:27,989 Imagine that. 289 00:13:29,014 --> 00:13:30,618 We pulled your sheet, Nate. 290 00:13:31,417 --> 00:13:33,624 You had a little domestic history with this woman. 291 00:13:33,686 --> 00:13:34,721 Angela dropped those charges. 292 00:13:35,321 --> 00:13:37,096 Yeah, we noticed that, too. 293 00:13:37,156 --> 00:13:38,965 'Cause you smacked her around a little bit, right? 294 00:13:39,024 --> 00:13:41,095 Only this time, they gave her a babysitter. 295 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,230 I was lookin' at 26 months on that fraud charge. 296 00:13:43,294 --> 00:13:45,467 You think I'm gonna threaten a federal witness? 297 00:13:45,530 --> 00:13:47,032 Cap a state investigator? 298 00:13:47,432 --> 00:13:50,936 Women. Can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em, huh, Nate? 299 00:13:51,002 --> 00:13:52,276 You got any idea how far that would've pushed me 300 00:13:52,337 --> 00:13:54,078 along on the sentencing guidelines? 301 00:13:54,138 --> 00:13:57,119 I mean, I'd need a nursing home myself by the time I got out. 302 00:13:57,609 --> 00:14:01,079 Well, can you account for your whereabouts on the night of the February 19th? 303 00:14:01,145 --> 00:14:02,283 Yeah. 304 00:14:03,014 --> 00:14:06,621 Where every good defendant is supposed to be. In my lawyer's office. 305 00:14:07,418 --> 00:14:10,456 Testifying against Nate was the hardest thing I ever did. 306 00:14:11,289 --> 00:14:12,825 I was scared of him. 307 00:14:12,891 --> 00:14:14,393 But you went through with it. 308 00:14:14,459 --> 00:14:16,336 Yeah, I went through with it. 309 00:14:17,662 --> 00:14:20,233 Karen made me think about all those old people. 310 00:14:20,298 --> 00:14:22,300 How they were suffering. 311 00:14:22,367 --> 00:14:24,278 I never thought about it like that before. 312 00:14:25,003 --> 00:14:27,676 Ms. Cofresta, you had a meeting with Ms. Hall 313 00:14:27,738 --> 00:14:30,014 at around 2:00 p.m. the day she disappeared? 314 00:14:30,073 --> 00:14:31,677 We talked a lot on the phone. 315 00:14:31,742 --> 00:14:33,688 Karen came down just to be with me. 316 00:14:33,777 --> 00:14:35,484 What'd you talk about? 317 00:14:35,545 --> 00:14:38,685 Mostly stuff about the case. Goin' over stuff. 318 00:14:38,749 --> 00:14:42,287 And we talked about men. Older men, married men. 319 00:14:42,386 --> 00:14:44,263 How they try to control you. 320 00:14:45,022 --> 00:14:46,126 She really understood. 321 00:14:46,823 --> 00:14:48,666 Did she talk about the men in her life? 322 00:14:48,725 --> 00:14:50,534 No, not really. 323 00:14:50,594 --> 00:14:53,131 But I kind of got the feelin' she was dating an older guy, too. 324 00:14:53,196 --> 00:14:54,675 She mention anything about him? 325 00:14:54,731 --> 00:14:56,574 A name? Anything at all? 326 00:14:56,633 --> 00:14:58,271 COFRESTA: Just that it was over. 327 00:14:58,368 --> 00:15:00,405 BRISCOE: What time did she leave? 328 00:15:00,470 --> 00:15:05,419 Maybe 4:00, I think. It was a long time ago, you know. 329 00:15:06,343 --> 00:15:09,620 I do remember she said she had a late meeting in the city that night, 330 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,387 and I could call her if I started stressing out again. 331 00:15:14,183 --> 00:15:16,060 Maybe if I did, she'd still be alive. 332 00:15:17,420 --> 00:15:18,831 She was staying late in town? 333 00:15:18,888 --> 00:15:21,869 Told her brother she had to get back to Albany to take care of her dog. 334 00:15:21,924 --> 00:15:23,733 She doesn't strike me as the type to lie to her brother. 335 00:15:23,793 --> 00:15:25,431 Or to let her dog starve to death. 336 00:15:25,494 --> 00:15:27,201 Maybe something came up at work. 337 00:15:27,263 --> 00:15:28,708 Think we'd have heard about it. 338 00:15:28,764 --> 00:15:30,072 (LAUGHS) Yeah, you'd think. 339 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:33,237 ED: I want to work for the A.G.'s office when I grow up. 340 00:15:33,302 --> 00:15:35,009 The Attorney General investigated 341 00:15:35,104 --> 00:15:37,584 illegal billing practices at the Klensch Agency. 342 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,883 Karen Hall personally interviewed 17 runway models. 343 00:15:40,943 --> 00:15:42,547 Maybe we should follow up. 344 00:15:43,079 --> 00:15:44,490 It looks like Conroy was right on. 345 00:15:44,547 --> 00:15:48,256 From what I'm seein', there's nothing life or death in these case files. 346 00:15:48,317 --> 00:15:53,232 Hey, Ed, when did Conroy say Karen got her first field assignment to the big city? 347 00:15:53,289 --> 00:15:54,858 Couple of months back. 348 00:15:54,956 --> 00:15:57,994 And her brother thought she was still gettin' her bearings around town? 349 00:15:58,059 --> 00:16:01,802 Right. So how come she's got three Amtrak ticket stubs, 350 00:16:01,863 --> 00:16:05,538 round trip, Albany to New York, goin' back more than a year? 351 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:06,977 She goes down to the Big Apple, 352 00:16:07,035 --> 00:16:08,605 she keeps it from her big brother 353 00:16:08,670 --> 00:16:09,978 and everyone else in her life. 354 00:16:10,038 --> 00:16:11,449 That can only mean one thing. 355 00:16:11,506 --> 00:16:12,917 A special friend? 356 00:16:12,974 --> 00:16:14,317 Mmm-hmm. 357 00:16:15,377 --> 00:16:17,015 Karen had no time for boyfriends. 358 00:16:17,078 --> 00:16:18,682 She was so busy with work. 359 00:16:18,747 --> 00:16:21,853 God knows we tried, but it was always one thing or another. 360 00:16:21,916 --> 00:16:24,487 Even if she had a boyfriend, she wouldn't have told me. 361 00:16:24,552 --> 00:16:27,590 The age difference, it was more like a father-daughter thing with us. 362 00:16:28,723 --> 00:16:30,669 Karen was seeing someone. 363 00:16:31,359 --> 00:16:32,838 BRISCOE: Did she mention a name? 364 00:16:32,894 --> 00:16:34,237 She told you that? 365 00:16:34,295 --> 00:16:35,797 NANCY: She didn't want people to know. 366 00:16:35,864 --> 00:16:37,070 We're people? 367 00:16:37,132 --> 00:16:38,906 Did she tell you who she was seeing? 368 00:16:38,966 --> 00:16:41,970 No. But he was married. 369 00:16:42,036 --> 00:16:44,448 Karen was going with a married guy? She told you that? 370 00:16:44,505 --> 00:16:45,916 She said it was over. 371 00:16:45,973 --> 00:16:47,350 ED: And she never mentioned a name? 372 00:16:47,408 --> 00:16:49,752 She wouldn't say anything about him. 373 00:16:50,244 --> 00:16:52,918 She didn't want people at work to find out. 374 00:16:53,614 --> 00:16:56,458 Why didn't you tell all this to the troopers when she disappeared? 375 00:16:56,517 --> 00:16:58,929 I did. I told the investigators. 376 00:16:58,986 --> 00:17:00,829 But I didn't know who it was, 377 00:17:00,888 --> 00:17:04,165 and Karen said it had been over for awhile. 378 00:17:05,292 --> 00:17:07,863 So you're thinking it may be a romance gone sour? 379 00:17:07,961 --> 00:17:10,464 One of the sisters thinks it might have been an office thing. 380 00:17:10,531 --> 00:17:12,533 Did you call Albany and ask around? 381 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:15,307 Yeah, no luck. It seems the lady was tight-lipped. 382 00:17:15,369 --> 00:17:18,373 So we pulled all of her personal credit card receipts 383 00:17:18,439 --> 00:17:19,941 goin' back a year. 384 00:17:20,007 --> 00:17:23,113 Hotel, restaurant charges from all over the city last 10 months. 385 00:17:23,176 --> 00:17:24,246 Busy girl. 386 00:17:24,310 --> 00:17:26,119 Up until a month before she disappeared. 387 00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:29,422 Right about the time sis says the romance cooled. 388 00:17:29,482 --> 00:17:32,691 One, two, three, four five visits to Caverna? 389 00:17:32,752 --> 00:17:34,925 ED: You know it? Yeah, it's a quiet little place 390 00:17:34,987 --> 00:17:36,933 over on 21st and 10th. 391 00:17:38,758 --> 00:17:40,499 You say she was a customer? 392 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,801 Yeah. Five or six times that we know of. 393 00:17:42,862 --> 00:17:45,866 Perhaps you can come back tomorrow. Speak with the maitre d'. 394 00:17:45,965 --> 00:17:47,069 I'm usually in the back office. 395 00:17:47,133 --> 00:17:48,806 Why can't we speak to the maitre d' now? 396 00:17:48,868 --> 00:17:52,179 Called in sick. And we are in the middle of our busiest seating. 397 00:17:52,538 --> 00:17:55,382 Well, we're in the middle of a busy homicide investigation. 398 00:17:56,742 --> 00:17:59,120 Let me get Roberto, our head waiter. Maybe he can help you. 399 00:18:02,415 --> 00:18:03,951 These gentlemen are with the police, Roberto. 400 00:18:04,016 --> 00:18:05,825 They'd like to see if you could help identify a photograph. 401 00:18:05,885 --> 00:18:07,864 Oh, ma certo. Absolutely. 402 00:18:07,919 --> 00:18:09,865 Ah, sf. La signorina Hall 403 00:18:09,921 --> 00:18:12,458 Used to come here with her gentleman friend. 404 00:18:12,524 --> 00:18:14,299 But, uh, not so much anymore. 405 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,863 You wouldn't happen to remember this gentleman friend's name? 406 00:18:17,929 --> 00:18:20,671 Oh, sure, sure. First rule of ristorante business, huh? 407 00:18:20,732 --> 00:18:22,541 Never forget a name. (LAUGHS) 408 00:18:22,601 --> 00:18:25,775 (STAMMERS) It's, uh, Alfred. Uh, no, Arturo. 409 00:18:27,272 --> 00:18:31,778 Alexandro. No, Alec. Si, Alec Conroy. 410 00:18:32,244 --> 00:18:33,587 Alec Conroy? 411 00:18:34,112 --> 00:18:36,592 He and the signorina, always the deuce in the corner. 412 00:18:36,648 --> 00:18:39,720 Very private. Uh, very romantic, huh? 413 00:18:41,286 --> 00:18:42,731 Very nice. 414 00:18:47,259 --> 00:18:48,602 Alec Conroy? 415 00:18:49,694 --> 00:18:52,105 The heir apparent at the A.G.'s office? 416 00:18:52,163 --> 00:18:53,904 How well do you really know him? 417 00:18:53,964 --> 00:18:57,673 He got organized crime convictions that everyone else thought were impossible, 418 00:18:57,735 --> 00:18:59,009 including myself. 419 00:19:00,204 --> 00:19:03,481 In addition to which, I went to law school with his boss. 420 00:19:04,108 --> 00:19:06,179 Isabel Shore. There's a straight arrow. 421 00:19:06,744 --> 00:19:08,087 As straight as they come. 422 00:19:08,145 --> 00:19:11,092 If she suspected anything she never would have given him the nod. 423 00:19:11,148 --> 00:19:13,025 According to Briscoe and Green, 424 00:19:13,083 --> 00:19:15,563 Conroy kept his investigators pursuing leads 425 00:19:15,619 --> 00:19:17,565 he had to know would never pay off. 426 00:19:17,621 --> 00:19:21,000 And he concealed his relationship with the Hall girl. 427 00:19:21,058 --> 00:19:22,662 CARMICHAEL: A married ex-boyfriend? 428 00:19:23,060 --> 00:19:25,301 That would have been at the top of the trooper's hit list. 429 00:19:25,362 --> 00:19:28,935 Conroy told them the romance angle was a dead-end. 430 00:19:28,999 --> 00:19:31,275 While he kept them in the dark about his affair with the victim. 431 00:19:31,836 --> 00:19:34,442 This man is next in line at the Criminal Division. 432 00:19:35,606 --> 00:19:37,642 I'm not gonna drag him out in handcuffs 433 00:19:37,707 --> 00:19:39,550 because he concealed an affair. 434 00:19:39,609 --> 00:19:41,486 He did more than conceal it, Nora. 435 00:19:42,345 --> 00:19:44,621 He told Karen Hall's sister there was no office romance, 436 00:19:44,681 --> 00:19:47,059 and then he turned the investigation to a less than credible witness 437 00:19:47,116 --> 00:19:48,390 who put her in Albany. 438 00:19:48,451 --> 00:19:52,524 Taken as a whole, his conduct does evince a guilty mind. 439 00:19:54,357 --> 00:19:56,234 (SCOFFS) What do you want to do? 440 00:19:56,659 --> 00:19:58,969 Look him in the eye and ask him the question. 441 00:20:00,964 --> 00:20:04,741 I killed Karen Hall because I was having an affair with her, 442 00:20:04,801 --> 00:20:06,838 then stonewalled the investigation? 443 00:20:06,936 --> 00:20:10,281 (LAUGHS) That's... That's absurd. 444 00:20:10,340 --> 00:20:12,877 Is there another explanation? Yes. 445 00:20:12,942 --> 00:20:14,853 The investigation into Karen's disappearance 446 00:20:14,911 --> 00:20:16,481 went nowhere because there was nowhere for it to go. 447 00:20:16,546 --> 00:20:17,650 It's as simple as that. 448 00:20:17,714 --> 00:20:20,490 Especially not with a cover story about a witness in Albany. 449 00:20:20,550 --> 00:20:23,223 The newsstand vendor told the troopers she was there. 450 00:20:23,285 --> 00:20:24,855 I relied on that. 451 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,422 JACK: They don't see it that way. 452 00:20:26,488 --> 00:20:29,697 Really? Well, their activity reports say they do. 453 00:20:29,758 --> 00:20:31,795 Activity reports that you supervised. 454 00:20:34,129 --> 00:20:37,440 I have the distinct feeling that somebody's about to read me my rights. 455 00:20:37,699 --> 00:20:39,906 Do you need your rights read, Mr. Conroy? 456 00:20:44,273 --> 00:20:45,581 Off the record? 457 00:20:48,076 --> 00:20:49,987 Okay, on the record then. 458 00:20:50,679 --> 00:20:53,990 Karen and I had been involved. Past tense. 459 00:20:54,049 --> 00:20:56,461 I broke it off. End of story. 460 00:20:56,551 --> 00:20:59,828 I assume you can tell us where you were the night she disappeared. 461 00:20:59,888 --> 00:21:01,663 We already know it wasn't in Albany. 462 00:21:02,791 --> 00:21:04,998 I wouldn't have taken it on faith, either. 463 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,233 I was with someone else. 464 00:21:07,295 --> 00:21:08,638 Not your wife. 465 00:21:09,897 --> 00:21:14,141 My wife and I weren't together at the time. I had my own place. 466 00:21:14,201 --> 00:21:17,478 Now, if that offends your long-horn, self-righteous sense 467 00:21:17,572 --> 00:21:19,882 of right and wrong, then so be it. 468 00:21:19,941 --> 00:21:23,616 What offends us is withholding information from an investigation. 469 00:21:23,678 --> 00:21:25,817 If I go public with my relationship with Karen, 470 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,292 I jeopardize cases, maybe even my career. 471 00:21:28,349 --> 00:21:31,796 I wasn't about to do that. Not when I had an alibi. 472 00:21:33,921 --> 00:21:36,663 Alec came over about 5:00, 5:30. 473 00:21:37,592 --> 00:21:41,972 I made dinner. We took a walk, read a bit, 474 00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:44,104 and then turned in. 475 00:21:44,532 --> 00:21:46,102 And when did he leave? 476 00:21:46,167 --> 00:21:47,942 Around 10:00 the next morning. 477 00:21:48,836 --> 00:21:51,008 Can anyone else verify that? 478 00:21:51,538 --> 00:21:54,280 I don't see why I should be answering these questions. 479 00:21:55,008 --> 00:21:57,750 Because you've been noticed as an alibi witness. 480 00:21:57,811 --> 00:22:00,849 That gives me the right to verify Mr. Conroy's story. 481 00:22:02,816 --> 00:22:04,625 Alec never loved that girl. 482 00:22:05,352 --> 00:22:06,660 So you know about the affair? 483 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,791 I'm not a fool Ms. Carmichael. 484 00:22:09,756 --> 00:22:13,260 I know there are things that Alec wants that I can't give him. 485 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,439 I've been with him 12 years. 486 00:22:16,896 --> 00:22:18,807 He always comes back in the end. 487 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,173 I understand he reconciled with his wife. 488 00:22:28,208 --> 00:22:29,915 Alec was right about you. 489 00:22:30,910 --> 00:22:32,753 Houston, isn't it? 490 00:22:33,613 --> 00:22:36,320 Dallas. So he's talked to you? 491 00:22:38,717 --> 00:22:41,061 If you think Alec was in love with this girl, 492 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:44,397 that he killed her because of it, you're wrong. 493 00:22:45,691 --> 00:22:47,398 Because he was with you, right? 494 00:22:50,462 --> 00:22:53,534 Have you ever seen Alec in court, Ms. Carmichael? 495 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,070 No, I haven't had the pleasure. 496 00:22:56,135 --> 00:22:57,409 Well, you should. 497 00:22:57,670 --> 00:22:59,308 Because then you would know, 498 00:23:00,239 --> 00:23:02,310 Alec Conroy doesn't fear anything. 499 00:23:04,676 --> 00:23:06,678 She's lying, Jack. I know it. 500 00:23:06,745 --> 00:23:09,658 And the way she idolizes Conroy, it's just creepy. 501 00:23:09,715 --> 00:23:11,456 Like he's got some kind of hold over her. 502 00:23:11,950 --> 00:23:14,123 If what the police are saying is true, 503 00:23:14,186 --> 00:23:17,998 Conroy's been able to manipulate an entire murder investigation. 504 00:23:18,057 --> 00:23:20,036 Why not an alibi witness? 505 00:23:20,992 --> 00:23:23,472 Anything turn up with Marner's doormen? 506 00:23:23,528 --> 00:23:25,701 They can't confirm Conroy was with her that night, 507 00:23:25,763 --> 00:23:27,902 but they can't dispute it, either. 508 00:23:27,965 --> 00:23:30,775 Still leaves us without probable cause for a search warrant. 509 00:23:30,902 --> 00:23:32,575 But we might be getting close. 510 00:23:32,637 --> 00:23:35,379 The cops went over to Conroy's apartment building. 511 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,646 Anything? 512 00:23:36,741 --> 00:23:38,220 There was no sighting of him that night, 513 00:23:38,276 --> 00:23:39,983 but the concierge let it slip 514 00:23:40,044 --> 00:23:42,524 that a few days after Karen Hall's murder 515 00:23:42,580 --> 00:23:45,083 Mrs. Conroy sent down specific instructions 516 00:23:45,149 --> 00:23:48,858 not to let Conroy up to the apartment under any circumstances. 517 00:23:50,188 --> 00:23:52,862 One month after he supposedly broke off the affair, 518 00:23:52,924 --> 00:23:55,427 his wife suddenly bars him from their apartment? Why? 519 00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:57,505 She was afraid of somethin'. 520 00:23:57,562 --> 00:23:59,007 Or someone. 521 00:23:59,564 --> 00:24:01,009 But even if it's true, they've reconciled. 522 00:24:01,065 --> 00:24:02,873 I doubt she'll tell us anything now. 523 00:24:02,966 --> 00:24:05,139 Maybe there's someone else she'll talk to. 524 00:24:09,239 --> 00:24:11,276 SHORE: Alec is a suspect in this girl's murder. 525 00:24:12,375 --> 00:24:15,481 It's not possible. He wouldn't. 526 00:24:15,545 --> 00:24:17,354 You must have had some suspicion. 527 00:24:18,281 --> 00:24:19,885 Why else leave specific instructions 528 00:24:19,950 --> 00:24:21,861 your husband not be allowed into your home? 529 00:24:21,918 --> 00:24:23,829 Alec still had his own apartment. 530 00:24:23,887 --> 00:24:26,891 JACK: You left the same instructions at your children's school. 531 00:24:29,493 --> 00:24:30,699 Where are the kids? 532 00:24:31,061 --> 00:24:32,540 With my parents. 533 00:24:34,197 --> 00:24:35,403 JACK: Why? 534 00:24:36,199 --> 00:24:38,577 Are you afraid of your husband, Mrs. Conroy? 535 00:24:39,536 --> 00:24:42,745 I don't see how my relationship with my husband is any of your business. 536 00:24:43,573 --> 00:24:44,643 Either of yours. 537 00:24:45,675 --> 00:24:47,449 This is very hard for me, too. 538 00:24:48,978 --> 00:24:51,424 Alec and I worked side by side every day. 539 00:24:52,248 --> 00:24:54,524 I respected him and I trusted him. 540 00:24:55,785 --> 00:24:58,322 But this is no good. We're not going to be able to protect him. 541 00:24:58,787 --> 00:25:01,631 He's getting help, Isabel. He really is trying this time. 542 00:25:01,690 --> 00:25:05,570 If he killed her, nothing will ever be right again 543 00:25:05,628 --> 00:25:07,608 until he takes responsibility for it. 544 00:25:09,298 --> 00:25:11,869 How long can you keep your children away, Mrs. Conroy? 545 00:25:20,576 --> 00:25:22,681 We talked about divorcing a few times. 546 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,391 But this last time, I'd really decided. 547 00:25:29,051 --> 00:25:32,725 When I told him, Alec just snapped. 548 00:25:33,588 --> 00:25:37,092 He started accusing this girl of destroying our family. 549 00:25:37,725 --> 00:25:41,172 And the more I tried to explain, the angrier he became. 550 00:25:41,863 --> 00:25:43,501 I got so scared. 551 00:25:44,732 --> 00:25:49,579 I thought if I went with Alec to his therapist, it might be easier. 552 00:25:51,673 --> 00:25:53,118 That's when I found out. 553 00:25:54,576 --> 00:25:56,180 Found out what, Mrs. Conroy? 554 00:25:59,547 --> 00:26:01,891 He had already decided who was to blame. 555 00:26:03,585 --> 00:26:07,965 Obviously I can't go into anything concerning what Alec told me. 556 00:26:08,022 --> 00:26:10,525 Mrs. Conroy indicated that the three of you 557 00:26:10,592 --> 00:26:12,902 discussed her husband's affair with Karen Hall 558 00:26:12,961 --> 00:26:14,531 in a therapy session with you, 559 00:26:14,595 --> 00:26:19,065 and that in fact it was you who recommended that they immediately separate. 560 00:26:20,067 --> 00:26:22,104 Deanne Conroy wasn't my patient. 561 00:26:23,003 --> 00:26:25,381 Well, you can at least verify the accuracy of her statement. 562 00:26:26,006 --> 00:26:30,011 I suppose if she's already told you as much, I don't see the harm in that. 563 00:26:30,077 --> 00:26:32,489 She also revealed the substance of that therapy session, 564 00:26:32,546 --> 00:26:34,719 and that she left it with serious concerns 565 00:26:34,781 --> 00:26:37,091 about the safety of Karen Hall. 566 00:26:38,318 --> 00:26:41,322 Now we're treading on thinner ice here, Counselors. 567 00:26:41,388 --> 00:26:45,393 That information arises directly out of my diagnosis of Mr. Conroy. 568 00:26:45,459 --> 00:26:48,065 And when another woman turns up missing, what then, Doctor? 569 00:26:48,128 --> 00:26:50,233 My obligation is to my patient. 570 00:26:51,498 --> 00:26:52,806 I warned Ms. Hall. 571 00:26:52,866 --> 00:26:54,038 CARMICHAEL: You warned her? 572 00:26:54,101 --> 00:26:57,105 I put it all in the letter. There's nothing more I could do. 573 00:26:57,170 --> 00:26:58,649 What letter, Doctor? 574 00:27:01,107 --> 00:27:02,745 A Tarasoff letter. 575 00:27:02,808 --> 00:27:05,516 You're familiar with it? Regents v. Tarasoff. 576 00:27:05,578 --> 00:27:10,288 A California case permitting a psychiatrist to send a warning letter 577 00:27:10,349 --> 00:27:13,728 if he believes his patient constitutes a threat to a third party. 578 00:27:13,786 --> 00:27:16,232 You say you got this copy from Conroy's shrink? 579 00:27:16,355 --> 00:27:18,301 The original hasn't turned up yet. 580 00:27:18,357 --> 00:27:21,497 Conroy probably took care of that in the initial investigation. 581 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,097 "It is my belief that Mr. Conroy constitutes" 582 00:27:24,163 --> 00:27:26,336 "an immediate real danger to you." 583 00:27:26,399 --> 00:27:27,742 That'd be Karen Hall. 584 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,677 LEWIN: "And possibly others." 585 00:27:29,735 --> 00:27:32,841 Conroy's psychiatrist sent a similar letter to Alice Marner. 586 00:27:32,905 --> 00:27:35,146 And you say his wife was in some of these sessions? 587 00:27:35,207 --> 00:27:38,654 She used the therapist's office as a safe haven to break it off with him. 588 00:27:38,711 --> 00:27:42,784 And this other woman Conroy's supposed alibi what's her safe haven? 589 00:27:42,848 --> 00:27:45,293 We have her under 24-hour surveillance. 590 00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:47,853 Which is how we discovered that Marner's late husband 591 00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:50,525 kept a 26-foot Grady White in the boat basin, 592 00:27:50,588 --> 00:27:52,090 and she held onto it. 593 00:27:52,157 --> 00:27:53,465 Well, that's a nice item to have. 594 00:27:53,525 --> 00:27:56,062 I mean, if you need to dispose of a body. 595 00:27:57,429 --> 00:27:59,909 We know you received a letter just like this one. 596 00:28:01,333 --> 00:28:03,335 Alec would never harm me. 597 00:28:03,401 --> 00:28:05,438 Karen Hall made the same assumption. 598 00:28:05,503 --> 00:28:07,414 CARMICHAEL: Ask yourself this, Ms. Marner. 599 00:28:07,539 --> 00:28:11,385 When this trial is over, and Alec Conroy doesn't need you anymore, 600 00:28:11,476 --> 00:28:13,683 are you going to go out on your boat with him again? 601 00:28:17,649 --> 00:28:18,923 We know all about it. 602 00:28:18,983 --> 00:28:22,157 Security from the marina told us someone took your boat out that night. 603 00:28:27,258 --> 00:28:30,932 It's one thing to provide an alibi when you have doubts. 604 00:28:30,995 --> 00:28:33,271 It's quite another when you know the truth. 605 00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:35,003 JACK: It's called accessory after the fact, 606 00:28:35,065 --> 00:28:37,978 and it makes you just as guilty of the murder as Conroy. 607 00:28:38,035 --> 00:28:40,345 No man is worth 25 years in prison. 608 00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:46,854 Alec called that night. 609 00:28:47,211 --> 00:28:48,315 JACK: Where was he? 610 00:28:48,379 --> 00:28:49,881 At a pay phone. 611 00:28:49,947 --> 00:28:51,255 JACK: What did he say? 612 00:28:52,182 --> 00:28:55,391 He said he needed my help. He needed me. 613 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,994 I asked him what was wrong. Do I have to do this? 614 00:28:59,857 --> 00:29:01,359 What did Conroy want from you? 615 00:29:01,959 --> 00:29:06,032 He just said he needed to use the boat. To meet him at the marina. 616 00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:08,268 Were you on board? 617 00:29:08,332 --> 00:29:09,504 He took the key. 618 00:29:09,933 --> 00:29:11,469 Did he have anything with him? 619 00:29:15,872 --> 00:29:17,476 A duffel bag. 620 00:29:19,308 --> 00:29:20,787 A big one. 621 00:29:24,147 --> 00:29:25,319 MAN: Who's gonna pay for all this? 622 00:29:25,381 --> 00:29:28,021 Hey, we got a warrant. Take it up with the building manager. 623 00:29:28,084 --> 00:29:29,188 Anything? 624 00:29:29,252 --> 00:29:31,323 Floors have been refinished. Place has been painted. 625 00:29:31,454 --> 00:29:34,401 At 2800 for one bedroom, they damn well better have painted it. 626 00:29:34,457 --> 00:29:35,663 ED: Lennie... 627 00:29:38,161 --> 00:29:39,834 There's something in the grouting. It could be blood. 628 00:29:40,897 --> 00:29:43,207 It'll take a second for the Luminol to kick in. 629 00:29:43,266 --> 00:29:44,643 Hit the light, would you, Detective? 630 00:29:48,004 --> 00:29:49,779 ED: That's blood. 631 00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:52,718 Huh. They should have re-tiled the place, too. 632 00:29:52,775 --> 00:29:54,777 Oh, that's it. They're payin' for a hotel. 633 00:29:55,712 --> 00:29:57,248 All right, that's good, that's good. I like that. 634 00:29:57,313 --> 00:29:58,313 But if you were to take Ferguson... 635 00:29:58,380 --> 00:30:00,382 Game's over, boys and girls. 636 00:30:00,449 --> 00:30:01,928 Excuse me. What the hell's goin' on here? 637 00:30:01,983 --> 00:30:04,589 Alec Conroy, you're under arrest for the murder of Karen Hall. 638 00:30:04,653 --> 00:30:06,655 Call my wife please. You have the right to remain silent... 639 00:30:06,721 --> 00:30:08,928 Excuse me. I know my rights, thank you. 640 00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:11,470 Oh, that's right. You used to have one of these. 641 00:30:17,566 --> 00:30:21,013 "Docket 44937. People v. Conroy." 642 00:30:21,069 --> 00:30:22,946 "Charge is Murder, Second Degree." 643 00:30:23,004 --> 00:30:24,108 JUDGE: How does the defendant plead? 644 00:30:24,172 --> 00:30:25,947 Not guilty, on behalf of Mr. Conroy. 645 00:30:26,007 --> 00:30:27,008 JUDGE: People on bail? 646 00:30:27,075 --> 00:30:29,954 The defendant is an Assistant Attorney General in the Criminal Division, 647 00:30:30,011 --> 00:30:32,423 and the victim was his former lover and employee. 648 00:30:32,481 --> 00:30:35,018 Now, Your Honor, the People are in possession of a letter dated 649 00:30:35,083 --> 00:30:37,654 shortly before the victim's disappearance which indicates 650 00:30:37,719 --> 00:30:40,131 the defendant posed an immediate physical threat to her. 651 00:30:40,188 --> 00:30:41,895 The letter's totally inadmissible. 652 00:30:41,957 --> 00:30:43,799 His own psychiatrist will attest to it, Your Honor. 653 00:30:43,858 --> 00:30:45,098 Not in any court in this land. 654 00:30:45,159 --> 00:30:48,038 Motion to suppress the so-called Tarasoff letter and anything that comes with it. 655 00:30:48,963 --> 00:30:51,910 Bail's set at one million. Motion's referred to the trial part. 656 00:30:51,966 --> 00:30:53,741 Spin the wheel, Louis. 657 00:30:54,268 --> 00:30:55,645 JUDGE CALLAHAN: Damning stuff, Counselor. 658 00:30:56,170 --> 00:30:58,377 I can understand why you wouldn't want a jury to get wind of this. 659 00:30:58,472 --> 00:31:00,247 Every word in that letter is hearsay, Your Honor, 660 00:31:00,307 --> 00:31:03,049 and is being offered to prove the very matter asserted. 661 00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:05,021 The doctor can confirm its contents. 662 00:31:05,779 --> 00:31:08,225 Not unless my client is willing to waive the doctor-patient privilege 663 00:31:08,282 --> 00:31:10,193 which I can assure you, he's not. 664 00:31:10,251 --> 00:31:11,389 What about it, Mr. McCoy? 665 00:31:11,452 --> 00:31:14,456 Therapeutic privilege was shattered by the presence of a third party. 666 00:31:15,523 --> 00:31:19,164 Well, your office tried that same argument in People v. Bierenbaum. 667 00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:21,331 It didn't work then, doesn't work now. 668 00:31:21,428 --> 00:31:25,001 Your Honor, in Bierenbaum all we had were witnesses who were willing to testify 669 00:31:25,065 --> 00:31:27,738 that the defendant told them he was in therapy. 670 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,677 Here we have someone who was actually in the session. 671 00:31:30,770 --> 00:31:32,579 It was his wife, Your Honor. 672 00:31:33,173 --> 00:31:34,379 Wife? 673 00:31:35,041 --> 00:31:37,317 So if the psychological privilege doesn't apply... 674 00:31:37,377 --> 00:31:39,379 STAN: Then the spousal prohibition does. 675 00:31:39,445 --> 00:31:43,951 Spousal privilege precludes Mrs. Conroy's testifying, not Conroy's psychiatrist. 676 00:31:44,417 --> 00:31:48,331 Call it what you like. I'm not letting the man's shrink violate the privilege 677 00:31:48,421 --> 00:31:50,128 because the man's wife was in the same room. 678 00:31:50,256 --> 00:31:52,258 And without the good doctor's testimony, the letter is hearsay... 679 00:31:52,325 --> 00:31:54,271 Relax, Stan. The letter's out, too. 680 00:31:56,863 --> 00:32:00,140 Dr. Breitel, the letter and his testimony are gone. 681 00:32:01,434 --> 00:32:03,243 What about the blood in the apartment? 682 00:32:03,303 --> 00:32:06,011 Too contaminated for any real analysis. 683 00:32:06,072 --> 00:32:07,176 The murder weapon? 684 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,117 Conroy doesn't own a registered handgun. 685 00:32:09,175 --> 00:32:10,745 He could've gotten it anywhere. 686 00:32:10,809 --> 00:32:13,653 He probably dropped it in the water along with Karen Hall's body. 687 00:32:13,712 --> 00:32:15,214 Well, what does that leave us with? 688 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,521 Alice Marner's testimony that Conroy took her boat out 689 00:32:17,583 --> 00:32:19,358 that night with a duffel bag. 690 00:32:19,418 --> 00:32:23,161 We also have his attempt at a false alibi. It's a roll of the dice. 691 00:32:23,455 --> 00:32:25,162 (SIGHS) No. 692 00:32:26,558 --> 00:32:28,902 I don't want to gamble with a jilted mistress, Jack. 693 00:32:35,601 --> 00:32:37,444 A plea? You can't be serious. 694 00:32:37,502 --> 00:32:39,778 Alec, let's hear them out at least. Hear what out? 695 00:32:39,838 --> 00:32:42,682 Without Dr. Breitel, all you've got is circumstantial evidence. 696 00:32:42,741 --> 00:32:44,482 We all know how juries hate to convict on that. 697 00:32:44,543 --> 00:32:46,216 And yet sometimes they do. 698 00:32:46,278 --> 00:32:48,622 Trust me this one won't. 699 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,752 They might after they learn about all the blood in that bathroom. 700 00:32:52,417 --> 00:32:54,260 From what I understand from your forensic report, 701 00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:56,924 the blood couldn't be typed. It was too contaminated? 702 00:32:56,988 --> 00:32:59,559 STAN: Alec... I remember reading somewhere that bleach can do that. 703 00:33:00,491 --> 00:33:03,529 Aren't you forgetting about a large duffel bag you were carrying that evening? 704 00:33:03,995 --> 00:33:06,305 Oh, the one that Alice never actually looked into? 705 00:33:06,364 --> 00:33:08,469 It's in my closet. I can bring it in, if you'd like. 706 00:33:08,566 --> 00:33:11,240 Of course, it could be one that just looks like it. 707 00:33:11,569 --> 00:33:14,846 Any event, I doubt Alice will be able to tell the difference either way. 708 00:33:14,905 --> 00:33:17,010 We also have a witness in the marina. 709 00:33:17,074 --> 00:33:19,520 ALEC: A witness to what? A late night cruise? 710 00:33:20,144 --> 00:33:22,624 Do you know how many times I've taken that boat out? Hmm? 711 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,751 Even when Alice's husband was alive? 712 00:33:24,815 --> 00:33:27,352 You don't seriously expect to walk on this? 713 00:33:28,953 --> 00:33:31,763 I understand you've never seen me in court. 714 00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:34,033 Consider this a preview. 715 00:33:34,825 --> 00:33:35,997 Stan. 716 00:33:47,370 --> 00:33:51,182 Miss Hall was last seen by Ms. Cofresta at approximately 4:00 p.m. 717 00:33:51,241 --> 00:33:53,653 She had indicated that she was going to be staying in the city. 718 00:33:54,511 --> 00:33:58,459 What about the witness who originally placed Ms. Hall in Albany? 719 00:33:58,982 --> 00:34:01,019 He's since retracted that identification. 720 00:34:02,052 --> 00:34:03,395 Thank you. Nothing further. 721 00:34:07,957 --> 00:34:10,563 To your knowledge, was Mr. Conroy seen 722 00:34:10,627 --> 00:34:12,300 with the deceased the night of her disappearance? 723 00:34:12,362 --> 00:34:13,500 Uh, no. 724 00:34:13,563 --> 00:34:15,907 And Mr. Conroy has admitted that he and Ms. Hall 725 00:34:15,965 --> 00:34:17,273 were having an affair, has he not? 726 00:34:17,333 --> 00:34:18,607 ED: I believe he has, yes. 727 00:34:18,668 --> 00:34:22,616 Well, do you know of any fact... Fact, Detective, 728 00:34:22,672 --> 00:34:25,379 that would contradict his assertion that the affair had ended? 729 00:34:25,441 --> 00:34:26,511 No. 730 00:34:26,575 --> 00:34:28,680 In fact, the only evidence on the issue 731 00:34:28,744 --> 00:34:33,159 is that Mr. Conroy returned to his wife following a legal separation. 732 00:34:33,215 --> 00:34:36,560 Actually, I think he made a few stops before he went back to his wife. 733 00:34:37,686 --> 00:34:39,632 Ha-ha. Nothing further. 734 00:34:42,124 --> 00:34:43,967 ALICE: I've known Alec for 12 years. 735 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,003 JACK: You described your relationship with the defendant as passionate. 736 00:34:48,030 --> 00:34:51,341 Passionate. Supportive. 737 00:34:51,834 --> 00:34:53,279 Supportive, how? 738 00:34:53,335 --> 00:34:56,077 Alec was not a man who found it easy to 739 00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:58,848 let his guard down with others. 740 00:35:00,376 --> 00:35:01,719 With me, it was different. 741 00:35:01,777 --> 00:35:04,348 He trusted me. He confided in me. 742 00:35:04,413 --> 00:35:06,154 JACK: And that night, he confided in you? 743 00:35:06,949 --> 00:35:08,518 Alec asked for my help. 744 00:35:10,151 --> 00:35:11,824 He needed to use the boat. 745 00:35:11,886 --> 00:35:13,559 JACK: Those were his words? "Use the boat?" 746 00:35:13,621 --> 00:35:15,726 Yes, and I let him. 747 00:35:17,725 --> 00:35:19,898 I let him throw that girl's body into the river. 748 00:35:20,295 --> 00:35:22,366 STAN: Objection. JUDGE: Sustained. 749 00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:23,838 JACK: Thank you. Nothing further. 750 00:35:28,369 --> 00:35:31,578 Twelve years is a long time to know a man, isn't it? 751 00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:32,879 And you are 752 00:35:33,941 --> 00:35:36,285 fond of Alec Conroy, aren't you? 753 00:35:36,644 --> 00:35:39,386 I've been in love with Alec Conroy since the day we met. 754 00:35:40,748 --> 00:35:42,022 And I still am. 755 00:35:42,784 --> 00:35:45,765 And you've testified that this man who you've known and loved for nearly 12 years, 756 00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:48,528 who confided in you, trusted you, 757 00:35:48,589 --> 00:35:51,536 called and asked if he could use your boat? 758 00:35:51,592 --> 00:35:52,763 ALICE: Yes. 759 00:35:53,627 --> 00:35:55,538 In the dead of winter. 760 00:35:55,595 --> 00:35:59,702 And this man who so trusted you and relied on you gave no reason why. 761 00:35:59,766 --> 00:36:01,439 He just said he needed help. 762 00:36:01,535 --> 00:36:04,209 STAN: He offered no explanation, and you didn't ask him why? 763 00:36:04,538 --> 00:36:05,744 ALICE: No. 764 00:36:05,806 --> 00:36:08,286 You just met him at the boat. 765 00:36:09,242 --> 00:36:10,243 Yes. 766 00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:12,119 And you claimed that when he showed up, 767 00:36:12,179 --> 00:36:15,456 he was carrying a duffel bag, and still you didn't ask why? 768 00:36:16,083 --> 00:36:17,391 ALICE: No. 769 00:36:24,958 --> 00:36:27,564 You didn't meet Alec Conroy at the boat that night, did you? 770 00:36:28,862 --> 00:36:30,102 I don't understand. 771 00:36:30,163 --> 00:36:33,042 Oh, you went to the boat all right, but you met him at his apartment, didn't you? 772 00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:34,677 No, I did not. 773 00:36:34,768 --> 00:36:37,680 You met him at the apartment that he had rented for the two of you. 774 00:36:38,537 --> 00:36:40,210 Only you weren't invited. 775 00:36:40,272 --> 00:36:44,743 And when you showed up to see your lover of 12 years in the arms of this young girl... 776 00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:46,187 What are you trying to do? 777 00:36:46,245 --> 00:36:48,657 STAN: Your late husband owned a .22 caliber handgun, 778 00:36:48,714 --> 00:36:50,318 did he not, Mrs. Marner? ALICE: Alec... 779 00:36:50,383 --> 00:36:52,420 STAN: You're the one who killed that woman that night, aren't you? 780 00:36:52,485 --> 00:36:54,624 No! The wife posed no threat. 781 00:36:54,687 --> 00:36:58,499 But this one, she did. This young sensuous woman. 782 00:36:58,557 --> 00:37:00,434 Objection. Overruled. 783 00:37:00,793 --> 00:37:03,137 You killed her, and then you asked Alec Conroy, 784 00:37:03,195 --> 00:37:06,301 the man you love, the man you trust, to help you. 785 00:37:06,365 --> 00:37:09,744 In fact, you counted on the 12 years of control that you had had over him. 786 00:37:09,802 --> 00:37:10,974 Control I had? 787 00:37:11,036 --> 00:37:13,414 Yeah, and it worked. Because rather than turn you in, 788 00:37:13,472 --> 00:37:16,112 rather than fulfill his obligations as a prosecutor 789 00:37:16,175 --> 00:37:18,917 he took pity on you, didn't he? 790 00:37:18,978 --> 00:37:21,390 Helped you get rid of Miss Hall's body? 791 00:37:21,447 --> 00:37:23,824 That never happened. Never! 792 00:37:23,882 --> 00:37:25,259 Your boat, Mrs. Marner. 793 00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:29,826 Your boat, your gun, your jealousy. 794 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,372 Should've seen it coming. How could we? 795 00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:42,207 The gun was registered to Marner's late husband in Florida, not New York. 796 00:37:43,134 --> 00:37:44,772 You think the jury will see through that? 797 00:37:45,737 --> 00:37:47,842 Gillum doesn't need to prove the Marner scenario. 798 00:37:47,906 --> 00:37:51,615 He just has to get one juror to buy himself reasonable doubt. 799 00:37:51,676 --> 00:37:54,418 Which he can do because they will never see the Tarasoff letter. 800 00:37:54,479 --> 00:37:59,360 To a lawyer like Gillum, that letter isn't a fact, it's just an annoying detail. 801 00:38:00,151 --> 00:38:02,597 This guy leaves his wife, he takes two lovers, 802 00:38:02,654 --> 00:38:05,692 and he still has the sanctity of marital privilege to protect him. 803 00:38:11,528 --> 00:38:13,565 Except he didn't just leave his wife. 804 00:38:14,565 --> 00:38:16,772 When Gillum crossed Green he said... 805 00:38:16,833 --> 00:38:18,403 They were legally separated. 806 00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:21,980 Another one of those annoying details. 807 00:38:25,375 --> 00:38:27,651 I was under the impression I'd already ruled on this. 808 00:38:27,711 --> 00:38:30,089 The Tarasoff letter, the shrink's testimony. 809 00:38:30,948 --> 00:38:32,188 It's a non-starter, Jack. 810 00:38:32,249 --> 00:38:35,059 We're agreed that if Mr. Conroy had uttered his threats 811 00:38:35,118 --> 00:38:36,927 to his psychiatrist and a third party, 812 00:38:36,987 --> 00:38:38,364 the privilege would have been shattered? 813 00:38:38,422 --> 00:38:42,268 We've been down this path. The so-called third party was his wife. 814 00:38:42,326 --> 00:38:46,206 Only they were legally separated at the time, not just living apart. 815 00:38:46,697 --> 00:38:50,644 Page 36 of your cross-examination of Detective Green, Stan. 816 00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:51,872 A legal separation? 817 00:38:52,401 --> 00:38:53,937 They filed an agreement with the court. 818 00:38:54,003 --> 00:38:55,744 STAN: A distinction without a difference. 819 00:38:55,805 --> 00:38:58,843 Your Honor, once an agreement has been filed, 820 00:38:58,908 --> 00:39:00,683 one spouse can go out and have an affair, 821 00:39:00,743 --> 00:39:03,314 and legally the other spouse can't use it as grounds for divorce. 822 00:39:03,379 --> 00:39:05,052 I'd say that's a pretty big difference. 823 00:39:05,114 --> 00:39:07,890 JUDGE: So you're claiming now that marital privilege doesn't apply 824 00:39:07,950 --> 00:39:10,157 because the sanctity of marriage no longer existed? 825 00:39:10,586 --> 00:39:13,590 In the eyes of the law, Deanne Conroy was a third party. 826 00:39:13,656 --> 00:39:17,695 Ergo, her presence in therapy nullifies the therapeutic privilege. 827 00:39:17,793 --> 00:39:19,101 Your Honor... 828 00:39:19,161 --> 00:39:21,004 JUDGE: Stan, look at it this way. 829 00:39:21,497 --> 00:39:25,172 If the jury convicts, you'll have a hell of an issue on appeal. 830 00:39:26,135 --> 00:39:27,637 The letter's in, the shrink's in. 831 00:39:35,577 --> 00:39:37,921 Doctor, please read the highlighted portion 832 00:39:37,979 --> 00:39:40,721 in the third full paragraph on page two. 833 00:39:41,883 --> 00:39:43,521 DR. BREITEL: "In the light of this, Ms. Hall", 834 00:39:43,585 --> 00:39:46,065 "I believe that Mr. Conroy should be considered" 835 00:39:46,121 --> 00:39:49,500 "an immediate and very real physical threat." 836 00:39:50,892 --> 00:39:52,803 What was the basis for your opinion? 837 00:39:52,861 --> 00:39:55,307 Mr. Conroy suffers from CDR. 838 00:39:55,363 --> 00:39:57,434 Control Domination Response. 839 00:39:57,499 --> 00:39:58,807 In lay terms? 840 00:39:58,867 --> 00:40:01,347 He needs to feel that everything in his life, 841 00:40:01,403 --> 00:40:03,405 especially the people in his life, 842 00:40:03,471 --> 00:40:06,577 are under his control, domination. 843 00:40:06,641 --> 00:40:10,088 JACK: Specifically? DR. BREITEL: Just look at the women in his life. 844 00:40:10,145 --> 00:40:15,424 Devoted wife, widowed mistress, aspiring employee. 845 00:40:15,483 --> 00:40:19,828 All of them share a vulnerability to him A dependence. 846 00:40:20,354 --> 00:40:23,892 When Mr. Conroy realized he could no longer control Ms. Hall, 847 00:40:23,957 --> 00:40:27,666 you can see how her defiance could be perceived by him 848 00:40:27,728 --> 00:40:31,505 as jeopardizing more than just their relationship. 849 00:40:31,565 --> 00:40:33,704 Did he say he was going to kill Ms. Hall? 850 00:40:35,336 --> 00:40:36,872 He said he wanted to. 851 00:40:38,739 --> 00:40:40,082 And I believed him. 852 00:40:41,675 --> 00:40:42,949 JACK: Nothing further. 853 00:40:47,448 --> 00:40:49,052 Man one on the table, McCoy? 854 00:40:49,116 --> 00:40:50,789 You've gotta be kidding. 855 00:40:50,851 --> 00:40:52,524 So what is? JACK: Murder two. 856 00:40:53,987 --> 00:40:55,864 I can get that after trial. 857 00:40:55,923 --> 00:40:57,561 Not with a promise of 20-to-life. 858 00:40:57,624 --> 00:40:59,797 Oh, you're going to knock five years off the bottom? 859 00:40:59,860 --> 00:41:02,101 And we take no position on parole. 860 00:41:02,162 --> 00:41:04,072 You might just see the light of day again. 861 00:41:04,397 --> 00:41:07,640 (SCOFFS) The light of day. 862 00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:10,271 Do you know how many times I sat on the other side of this table 863 00:41:10,336 --> 00:41:12,407 and said those same words to a defendant? 864 00:41:12,472 --> 00:41:13,974 Now or never, Mr. Conroy. 865 00:41:14,574 --> 00:41:17,885 The ticking clock. Always an effective strategy. 866 00:41:22,248 --> 00:41:23,693 You've got your plea, McCoy. 867 00:41:23,749 --> 00:41:25,057 JACK: You'll have to allocute. 868 00:41:25,685 --> 00:41:27,631 Oh, is that really necessary? 869 00:41:27,687 --> 00:41:31,260 For months, Karen Hall's family has been plagued by questions of how and why. 870 00:41:31,324 --> 00:41:33,668 We're not leaving this room until your client answers them. 871 00:41:33,893 --> 00:41:34,894 (WHISPERS) You don't have to. 872 00:41:35,495 --> 00:41:36,496 It's okay. 873 00:41:37,663 --> 00:41:42,408 You know, this may come as a big surprise to all of you, but I loved Karen. 874 00:41:43,069 --> 00:41:45,777 Killing someone's a pretty sick way of saying "I love you." 875 00:41:48,774 --> 00:41:53,917 When I first met Karen, she was just another local girl in cheap shoes. 876 00:41:54,279 --> 00:41:56,691 She didn't know the first thing about being a professional, 877 00:41:56,748 --> 00:42:02,289 about talking like one, or like dressing like one, or like thinking like one. 878 00:42:03,088 --> 00:42:04,658 I was the one who taught her that. 879 00:42:04,723 --> 00:42:06,134 And then you betrayed her. 880 00:42:06,191 --> 00:42:08,432 ALEC: No, that was her choice, not mine. 881 00:42:08,493 --> 00:42:11,997 I was willing to give up my wife and my children for her. 882 00:42:13,265 --> 00:42:15,370 She just couldn't appreciate the sacrifice. 883 00:42:17,336 --> 00:42:18,474 So then? 884 00:42:18,537 --> 00:42:20,676 So then I called her late that afternoon 885 00:42:20,739 --> 00:42:23,549 and told her I had some new information about the case. 886 00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:28,086 She was reluctant about coming over to the apartment, 887 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,190 but I told her it would just be a few minutes. 888 00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:34,295 But I could tell in her voice she didn't want to come. 889 00:42:34,351 --> 00:42:35,523 But she did. 890 00:42:35,586 --> 00:42:37,930 Loyalty to the job, Ms. Carmichael. 891 00:42:39,023 --> 00:42:40,559 I taught her that, too. 892 00:42:41,025 --> 00:42:42,800 Where'd you get the gun? 893 00:42:42,860 --> 00:42:44,862 Alice's, a few weeks before. 894 00:42:44,929 --> 00:42:46,533 What happened after Ms. Hall got there? 895 00:42:47,164 --> 00:42:49,303 ALEC: At first, we talked about work. 896 00:42:49,367 --> 00:42:51,813 I wanted her to think everything was going to be okay. 897 00:42:52,369 --> 00:42:55,407 But then I brought up the relationship, and Karen said 898 00:42:56,207 --> 00:42:59,780 she was uncomfortable with the subject. That it was over. 899 00:43:01,078 --> 00:43:04,184 She started putting on her coat. I told her to sit down. 900 00:43:05,249 --> 00:43:07,855 She said I couldn't tell her what to do anymore. 901 00:43:09,253 --> 00:43:12,462 So I reached for her, and she pulled away. 902 00:43:14,625 --> 00:43:19,573 And she said that the thought of her being touched by me again made her sick. 903 00:43:21,464 --> 00:43:22,966 That's when she saw the gun. 904 00:43:24,667 --> 00:43:28,137 She gave me this look like she knew she'd gone too far. 905 00:43:29,539 --> 00:43:31,416 Why not just let her walk away? 906 00:43:31,474 --> 00:43:32,748 ALEC: I couldn't. 907 00:43:33,943 --> 00:43:37,049 Karen should have known I could never do that. 908 00:43:42,352 --> 00:43:43,626 Now she does. 909 00:43:49,092 --> 00:43:51,698 Background checks, press coverage, 910 00:43:51,761 --> 00:43:53,832 and with all that, Alec Conroy was a heartbeat away 911 00:43:53,897 --> 00:43:57,071 from one of the most powerful jobs in the criminal justice system. 912 00:43:58,001 --> 00:44:00,641 (EXHALES) What a frightening thought.