1 00:00:01,638 --> 00:00:03,379 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:03,439 --> 00:00:07,320 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:07,378 --> 00:00:09,187 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:09,246 --> 00:00:12,056 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:12,116 --> 00:00:13,824 These are their stories. 6 00:00:14,986 --> 00:00:17,694 Yeah, I get a pain. Only when I do my jump shot dunk, 7 00:00:17,756 --> 00:00:19,599 bang, and that's when I start feeling pain. 8 00:00:19,658 --> 00:00:21,365 Another guy, he makes the shots for me. 9 00:00:22,127 --> 00:00:23,505 All I'm saying is... 10 00:00:23,562 --> 00:00:25,064 Jamal, Jamal! 11 00:00:25,131 --> 00:00:26,804 Yeah? Get her car. 12 00:00:26,866 --> 00:00:29,904 Oh, no, Frank is getting it, man. Frank is gonna get it. 13 00:00:30,169 --> 00:00:32,275 So, listen, you think I should work it off, you know... 14 00:00:32,339 --> 00:00:34,341 You know, I'm really not that kind of a doctor. 15 00:00:34,408 --> 00:00:38,049 I could recommend somebody to see you. Call my office, okay? 16 00:00:39,179 --> 00:00:41,217 MAN: Hey, don't block it in, all right? 17 00:00:41,282 --> 00:00:42,283 Thanks. 18 00:00:49,825 --> 00:00:51,463 Big help, you know what I'm saying? 19 00:00:51,527 --> 00:00:53,200 She gonna pay the bill, too, man? 20 00:00:53,262 --> 00:00:55,765 You get cars here, Jamal, not Medicare! 21 00:00:57,032 --> 00:00:58,512 Oliver, you saying I can't talk to customers... 22 00:00:58,568 --> 00:00:59,569 No... now and then? Come on, man. 23 00:00:59,636 --> 00:01:01,206 What, you making up rules on me, Oliver? 24 00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:03,884 (sun FIRING) 25 00:01:04,541 --> 00:01:05,542 (THUD) 26 00:01:05,608 --> 00:01:07,020 (CAR HORN BLARING) 27 00:01:12,016 --> 00:01:14,018 What is it? What's going on? 28 00:01:15,721 --> 00:01:17,826 What happened? Don't touch this, man. 29 00:01:19,658 --> 00:01:21,660 Two 9 millimeter shell casings. 30 00:01:22,461 --> 00:01:24,442 One here, one there. 31 00:01:25,264 --> 00:01:27,437 And one slug is in that Toyota, 32 00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:29,912 and the other one blew through her head. 33 00:01:30,837 --> 00:01:34,183 Okay, so the shooter was standing where, about here? 34 00:01:34,375 --> 00:01:36,685 Car comes around the corner, bang, bang. 35 00:01:36,744 --> 00:01:38,587 And then he's out that door. 36 00:01:39,279 --> 00:01:40,883 Anyone see anything outside? 37 00:01:40,948 --> 00:01:43,862 Yeah, everybody saw a lot of people. Midtown, noon. 38 00:01:43,918 --> 00:01:46,159 But nobody running, nobody waving a gun. 39 00:01:46,221 --> 00:01:48,132 Well, this guy just walked away. 40 00:01:48,189 --> 00:01:49,259 This looks like a hit. 41 00:01:49,324 --> 00:01:50,861 What, on a nice lady doctor? 42 00:01:50,926 --> 00:01:52,166 Look at this. 43 00:01:55,431 --> 00:01:58,606 BRISCOE: A nice lady doctor wearing a bullet-proof vest. 44 00:01:59,636 --> 00:02:02,480 I didn't realize the health care debate was so heated. 45 00:02:02,539 --> 00:02:03,574 It was for her. 46 00:02:04,808 --> 00:02:08,814 "Wanted, Dr. Eileen Reed, abortionist, for mass murder. Reward." 47 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,291 Reward? 48 00:02:10,348 --> 00:02:11,691 "God's eternal grace." 49 00:02:12,784 --> 00:02:14,263 Holy Mother. 50 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,819 Two doctors shot dead in Florida. 51 00:03:10,882 --> 00:03:12,987 And one in Buffalo six weeks ago. 52 00:03:13,218 --> 00:03:16,825 Those are just out-of-town tryouts. Now the show's in New York. 53 00:03:16,888 --> 00:03:18,664 The Florida shooters were picked up at the scene. 54 00:03:18,724 --> 00:03:20,761 So was the guy in Buffalo. 55 00:03:22,628 --> 00:03:23,902 Harold Malcolm. 56 00:03:24,930 --> 00:03:27,935 He was standing over the body handing out leaflets. 57 00:03:28,001 --> 00:03:30,982 Well, there's a lot more where those three came from. 58 00:03:31,037 --> 00:03:32,983 Before we start sorting through the nuts, 59 00:03:33,039 --> 00:03:36,578 are we sure this doctor's murder is related to her line of work? 60 00:03:36,744 --> 00:03:39,156 Well, the wanted poster is kind of a hint. 61 00:03:39,213 --> 00:03:41,625 The wanted poster didn't pull the trigger. 62 00:03:41,682 --> 00:03:43,320 Our lives will be a lot easier 63 00:03:43,384 --> 00:03:47,026 if she was killed over a love triangle or a gambling debt. 64 00:03:48,157 --> 00:03:49,192 We'll go see the husband. 65 00:03:49,258 --> 00:03:51,670 Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll confess. 66 00:03:55,565 --> 00:03:58,409 I met Eileen in medical school 67 00:03:58,468 --> 00:04:01,143 during a pediatrics rotation. 68 00:04:01,338 --> 00:04:05,218 Even then, she was working six hours a week at a free clinic. 69 00:04:06,810 --> 00:04:07,811 Dr. Reed, 70 00:04:07,978 --> 00:04:12,086 did your wife ever have any trouble with any of her patients or colleagues? 71 00:04:12,684 --> 00:04:14,595 No. And the two of you? 72 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,456 Any marital problems? 73 00:04:17,489 --> 00:04:20,232 I loved her. She loved me. 74 00:04:21,127 --> 00:04:23,835 We just started trying to have children. 75 00:04:27,668 --> 00:04:30,842 Is there some reason you're avoiding the obvious? 76 00:04:31,305 --> 00:04:32,875 Eileen didn't need to get involved, 77 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:35,352 but she believed that all women deserve good medical care, 78 00:04:35,409 --> 00:04:39,483 so she performed abortions two afternoons a week at a women's clinic. 79 00:04:39,547 --> 00:04:41,356 That's where she was going when she got shot? 80 00:04:41,416 --> 00:04:44,488 That's why she was wearing a bullet-proof vest. 81 00:04:46,188 --> 00:04:47,724 The clinic is surrounded by zealots. 82 00:04:47,790 --> 00:04:49,963 The doctors working there get death threats all the time. 83 00:04:50,025 --> 00:04:52,471 Like the one she had in her purse. 84 00:04:52,695 --> 00:04:54,437 That was a mild one. 85 00:04:55,832 --> 00:04:58,438 She was gonna send it to the police. They send them all to the police 86 00:04:58,501 --> 00:05:01,948 so that maybe you can find these people before they... 87 00:05:05,576 --> 00:05:08,420 The paper's long grain, twenty pound bond. 88 00:05:08,546 --> 00:05:10,993 Only a few billion sheets a year sold in this country. 89 00:05:11,049 --> 00:05:13,086 Any fingerprints? Yours. 90 00:05:13,986 --> 00:05:15,363 And the victim's. 91 00:05:16,021 --> 00:05:17,398 It's a photocopy, 92 00:05:17,623 --> 00:05:20,901 from a machine with some dirt on the drum. See these specks? 93 00:05:21,594 --> 00:05:23,505 If you get me the machine and it hasn't been serviced, 94 00:05:23,563 --> 00:05:25,907 I can maybe do a positive I.D. Oh, great. 95 00:05:25,965 --> 00:05:28,309 We'll organize a line-up of Xerox machines. 96 00:05:28,368 --> 00:05:30,849 Well, what about other threats that she got? 97 00:05:30,904 --> 00:05:33,885 These arrived at the clinic over the last six months. 98 00:05:34,208 --> 00:05:37,213 Any particular one you want me to look at? 99 00:05:37,345 --> 00:05:38,346 Well... 100 00:05:39,681 --> 00:05:43,754 Maybe we'll just go there in person and see who's been delivering their messages. 101 00:05:45,754 --> 00:05:46,995 (PEOPLE SHOUTING) 102 00:05:47,056 --> 00:05:48,558 MAN: Don't kill that baby! 103 00:05:48,858 --> 00:05:50,166 (PEOPLE SHOUTING) 104 00:05:50,326 --> 00:05:52,203 Those are the regulars. 105 00:05:52,361 --> 00:05:53,999 And that's Mark Bryant. 106 00:05:54,530 --> 00:05:56,101 KATHERINE: He's the pain-in-the-ass in chief. 107 00:05:57,267 --> 00:05:59,543 This guy, Bryant, he's a photographer? 108 00:05:59,703 --> 00:06:01,512 Faces and license plates. 109 00:06:01,571 --> 00:06:03,745 He tries to get everybody coming in 110 00:06:03,841 --> 00:06:06,583 so he can track them down and counsel them, 111 00:06:06,911 --> 00:06:08,584 which means harass them. 112 00:06:11,282 --> 00:06:12,990 LOGAN: You telling me Dr. Reed had to go through this 113 00:06:13,052 --> 00:06:14,998 every time she showed up? 114 00:06:15,154 --> 00:06:17,225 We do what we can to protect the doctors. 115 00:06:17,289 --> 00:06:19,166 We never even release their names. 116 00:06:19,224 --> 00:06:21,796 But Bryant, was he here when she was here? 117 00:06:23,330 --> 00:06:25,435 Bryant is always here. 118 00:06:26,866 --> 00:06:29,312 BRYANT: If your wives are in there, drag them out! 119 00:06:29,369 --> 00:06:31,043 Be a man. Protect your children. 120 00:06:31,105 --> 00:06:33,711 We're the police, Mr. Bryant. Good. 121 00:06:33,774 --> 00:06:35,651 They're committing murder in there. Do your duty. 122 00:06:35,710 --> 00:06:39,124 Yeah, well, we're investigating the murder of Dr. Eileen Reed. 123 00:06:39,181 --> 00:06:40,387 And you're looking at us? 124 00:06:40,449 --> 00:06:43,862 Hey, you people aren't exactly handing out bouquets to these doctors. 125 00:06:43,919 --> 00:06:46,490 Listen, yesterday I had twice as many rescuers here. 126 00:06:46,555 --> 00:06:48,297 Every time someone fires a shot in our name, 127 00:06:48,358 --> 00:06:50,031 it smears us and reduces our numbers. 128 00:06:50,093 --> 00:06:52,369 Well, sure, nobody wants to get in the way of a stray bullet. 129 00:06:52,428 --> 00:06:54,430 Nobody wants to be associated with killing. 130 00:06:54,497 --> 00:06:55,567 We're here to prevent killing. 131 00:06:55,631 --> 00:06:56,906 Do you know what's going on in there? 132 00:06:56,967 --> 00:06:58,810 Hey, what's going on in there is legal. 133 00:06:58,869 --> 00:07:00,940 We got a dead 35-year-old woman on our hands. 134 00:07:01,004 --> 00:07:03,848 And we mourn her. Violence begets violence. 135 00:07:03,907 --> 00:07:05,285 We want it all to stop. 136 00:07:05,343 --> 00:07:07,448 Hey, Bryant, how's your hobby? 137 00:07:07,545 --> 00:07:09,855 You get any good pictures of Dr. Reed? 138 00:07:10,315 --> 00:07:11,316 Several. 139 00:07:11,683 --> 00:07:15,131 But I didn't know her name until I saw it on the news. 140 00:07:15,921 --> 00:07:17,923 Well, they make a lot of noise on the sidewalks 141 00:07:17,990 --> 00:07:20,527 and try to convince the women going in to change their minds. 142 00:07:20,593 --> 00:07:24,371 Then they refer them to a pro-life pregnancy crisis center. 143 00:07:24,431 --> 00:07:25,466 Pro-life? 144 00:07:25,532 --> 00:07:29,173 You ever notice how some people's concern for life stops at birth? 145 00:07:29,469 --> 00:07:31,006 They want those babies to come out. 146 00:07:31,072 --> 00:07:33,382 After that, they don't give a damn what happens to them. 147 00:07:33,441 --> 00:07:36,718 Well, they seem to give a damn about what happened to Dr. Reed. 148 00:07:36,778 --> 00:07:39,384 Their official policy is anti-murder. 149 00:07:39,848 --> 00:07:42,385 Apparently while the doctor was across town getting shot, 150 00:07:42,451 --> 00:07:44,590 Bryant and his people were waiting for her at the clinic. 151 00:07:44,653 --> 00:07:45,757 All of his people? 152 00:07:45,821 --> 00:07:48,301 BRISCOE: Hey, they claim they didn't even know her name. 153 00:07:49,726 --> 00:07:52,764 Whoever shot her knew her name, her address, and her office hours. 154 00:07:52,829 --> 00:07:55,105 Well, the clinic kept that information secret. 155 00:07:55,165 --> 00:07:57,703 Her private patients knew where to find her. 156 00:08:01,238 --> 00:08:02,444 Her patients are calling. 157 00:08:02,506 --> 00:08:04,179 Half of them are about to give birth. 158 00:08:04,241 --> 00:08:06,415 The insurance companies are driving me crazy. 159 00:08:06,478 --> 00:08:08,617 Did Dr. Reed perform abortions here? 160 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:09,784 A few. 161 00:08:10,382 --> 00:08:12,453 Most of her patients wanted to be pregnant. 162 00:08:12,517 --> 00:08:14,656 Did she have any new patients the last few weeks? 163 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,563 YVONNE: She wasn't taking any. 164 00:08:16,989 --> 00:08:18,832 But there was one. 165 00:08:18,891 --> 00:08:19,961 Laura Lee. 166 00:08:20,026 --> 00:08:23,098 She called a few days before, said she'd seen the doctor at the clinic. 167 00:08:23,162 --> 00:08:24,699 BRISCOE: What, she had complications? 168 00:08:24,765 --> 00:08:26,335 It was only a consultation. 169 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,243 She wanted the follow-up here. 170 00:08:28,302 --> 00:08:30,680 She asked for the last appointment, whenever that was. 171 00:08:30,737 --> 00:08:34,185 That would be right before Dr. Reed left for the clinic. 172 00:08:34,242 --> 00:08:35,846 Yes, but she didn't show up. 173 00:08:35,910 --> 00:08:37,719 BRISCOE: You have her number? Here. 174 00:08:40,381 --> 00:08:41,952 You got anything else on her? 175 00:08:42,017 --> 00:08:44,520 The clinic sent over her paperwork. 176 00:08:49,793 --> 00:08:51,067 Dial-A-Prayer. 177 00:08:52,195 --> 00:08:54,903 We're gonna keep this, okay? 178 00:08:57,534 --> 00:09:00,778 Laura Lee. Initials L-L. 179 00:09:01,005 --> 00:09:03,178 Like one of Superman's girlfriends. 180 00:09:03,975 --> 00:09:05,818 He won't be dating her. She doesn't exist. 181 00:09:05,877 --> 00:09:07,117 Oh, Lois Lane does? 182 00:09:07,179 --> 00:09:08,180 (CHUCKLES) 183 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,317 Have you got prints on those forms, or what? 184 00:09:10,382 --> 00:09:13,955 A lovely set belonging to one Ms. Nancy Gunther. 185 00:09:14,486 --> 00:09:18,526 Arrested four months ago in Schenectady for trespassing. 186 00:09:18,625 --> 00:09:19,797 Trespassing? 187 00:09:20,193 --> 00:09:22,696 Sitting in at a Planned Parenthood clinic. 188 00:09:24,497 --> 00:09:28,571 You see, Miss Gunther, you being such a pro-life activist and all, 189 00:09:28,769 --> 00:09:30,806 we're wondering why you showed up at a clinic 190 00:09:30,871 --> 00:09:33,374 asking about ending your pregnancy. 191 00:09:34,109 --> 00:09:36,214 I never said I wanted to do that. 192 00:09:37,445 --> 00:09:40,085 You never said your real name, either. 193 00:09:42,117 --> 00:09:45,930 A lot of people give false names. It's very personal. 194 00:09:47,757 --> 00:09:51,831 You gave a false name, but you picked up a real one. Eileen Reed. 195 00:09:52,963 --> 00:09:56,968 The only people they tell the doctors' names to are the patients. 196 00:09:57,034 --> 00:10:01,108 Yeah, you called and made an appointment with her, but you never showed up. 197 00:10:02,774 --> 00:10:05,414 I changed my mind. I'm keeping my baby. 198 00:10:05,710 --> 00:10:07,849 You were always gonna keep it, weren't you? 199 00:10:07,912 --> 00:10:09,756 You asked for the last appointment of the day 200 00:10:09,815 --> 00:10:12,853 so you'd know exactly when she was leaving the office. 201 00:10:13,786 --> 00:10:15,663 Who'd you tell, Nancy? 202 00:10:17,657 --> 00:10:21,400 If you told the shooter, that's conspiracy to murder. 203 00:10:25,165 --> 00:10:26,804 You better help us out, Nancy, 204 00:10:26,867 --> 00:10:31,145 or you're gonna be raising your baby in a cell block at Bedford Hills. 205 00:10:33,207 --> 00:10:35,017 If that's God's will. 206 00:10:40,248 --> 00:10:42,524 She's got nothing to say. She asked for a lawyer. 207 00:10:42,584 --> 00:10:45,532 Hey, let's arrest her for murder. That might motivate her. 208 00:10:45,588 --> 00:10:46,760 There's not enough to hold her. 209 00:10:46,823 --> 00:10:50,100 Her lawyer will say the missed appointment's a coincidence. 210 00:10:50,493 --> 00:10:52,906 Oh, how's this for a coincidence? 211 00:10:53,063 --> 00:10:55,407 That protest in Schenectady where she was arrested, 212 00:10:55,466 --> 00:10:57,173 27 people were taken in, 213 00:10:57,234 --> 00:10:59,544 including her and Harold Malcolm. 214 00:10:59,937 --> 00:11:02,145 What, the guy who shot the doctor in Buffalo? 215 00:11:02,207 --> 00:11:04,084 Yeah, two months later. 216 00:11:04,142 --> 00:11:07,351 The protest was led by a Drew Seeley of Manhattan. 217 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,483 Oh, boy, this one's a real nut. 218 00:11:10,549 --> 00:11:12,654 Defrocked priest. Listen to this. 219 00:11:12,818 --> 00:11:15,799 The Diocese of Schenectady has a restraining order on this guy. 220 00:11:15,855 --> 00:11:18,996 He can't come within 100 yards of any of their churches. 221 00:11:19,259 --> 00:11:23,071 Well, maybe he'll think confession's still good for the soul. 222 00:11:26,566 --> 00:11:29,241 Oh, yes, I know Nancy. She's a fine Christian woman. 223 00:11:29,303 --> 00:11:30,941 And you know Harold Malcolm, too? 224 00:11:31,005 --> 00:11:32,450 I've prayed with him often. 225 00:11:32,507 --> 00:11:34,714 Yeah, well, the reason we're here is that some of your people 226 00:11:34,776 --> 00:11:37,257 have been doing un-Christian things. 227 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:38,818 What do you mean? 228 00:11:38,881 --> 00:11:42,419 Well, Malcolm blasted a doctor with a shotgun in Buffalo. 229 00:11:42,918 --> 00:11:46,799 We think Nancy Gunther might be involved in the murder of a doctor in Manhattan. 230 00:11:46,856 --> 00:11:49,097 Yes, the abortion doctors. 231 00:11:49,693 --> 00:11:50,797 Four dead. 232 00:11:51,494 --> 00:11:53,030 Isn't that wonderful? 233 00:11:55,099 --> 00:11:56,976 Come in, come in. 234 00:12:03,241 --> 00:12:05,380 Those doctors were committing a holocaust. 235 00:12:05,444 --> 00:12:07,287 And your solution is murder? 236 00:12:07,546 --> 00:12:09,457 What ever happened to turning the other cheek, 237 00:12:09,514 --> 00:12:10,960 loving thine enemy? 238 00:12:11,017 --> 00:12:13,293 I will love my enemy. 239 00:12:13,419 --> 00:12:16,423 But a child in the womb doesn't have that opportunity. 240 00:12:16,889 --> 00:12:17,890 SEELEY: Please. 241 00:12:19,192 --> 00:12:21,764 The Bible commands us... It commands us 242 00:12:21,829 --> 00:12:23,672 to protect the weak and the powerless. 243 00:12:23,731 --> 00:12:26,644 Well, the State of New York commands us not to kill. 244 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:29,079 I think that's also mentioned in the Bible someplace. 245 00:12:29,137 --> 00:12:31,276 My only goal here is saving lives. 246 00:12:31,873 --> 00:12:34,353 You tell your followers to shoot doctors? 247 00:12:34,509 --> 00:12:37,218 They draw their own conclusions. They don't need me. 248 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:40,123 You happen to know who drew a conclusion to shoot Dr. Reed? 249 00:12:40,182 --> 00:12:41,183 No, I don't. 250 00:12:41,250 --> 00:12:43,161 Or who talked to Nancy Gunther lately? 251 00:12:44,153 --> 00:12:45,325 Nancy. 252 00:12:45,621 --> 00:12:48,899 Nancy gathered some information on Dr. Reed for me. 253 00:12:50,193 --> 00:12:54,005 I wanted the doctor's name and address to try to persuade her to stop. 254 00:12:54,064 --> 00:12:55,703 Persuade her how? 255 00:12:55,767 --> 00:12:58,304 Well, I tried to call her and I sent her some literature. 256 00:12:58,369 --> 00:13:00,508 A "Wanted" poster. Yes. That was mine. 257 00:13:00,571 --> 00:13:04,315 So you think that calling her a criminal is going to persuade her? 258 00:13:04,376 --> 00:13:06,014 Well, nothing else had. 259 00:13:06,745 --> 00:13:09,021 Where were you around noon on Tuesday? 260 00:13:09,648 --> 00:13:13,688 Well, I was at a conference of the Council on Choice. 261 00:13:15,321 --> 00:13:18,359 He was here, all right, throwing fake blood on the speakers. 262 00:13:18,425 --> 00:13:20,029 We filed a complaint. 263 00:13:20,093 --> 00:13:22,938 I take it you don't see eye-to-eye with Seeley. 264 00:13:22,997 --> 00:13:24,101 He thinks I should be murdered 265 00:13:24,165 --> 00:13:26,839 because I advocate reproductive freedom for women. 266 00:13:26,901 --> 00:13:28,312 I think he should be in jail. 267 00:13:28,369 --> 00:13:30,247 For advocating murder? 268 00:13:30,305 --> 00:13:33,184 If all he does is talk about it, there isn't anything we can do. 269 00:13:33,241 --> 00:13:34,652 You got anything more specific? 270 00:13:34,709 --> 00:13:36,746 He used to wave signs and sit in. 271 00:13:36,811 --> 00:13:39,725 Now he incites his followers to kill people. 272 00:13:39,816 --> 00:13:40,851 Because of people like him, 273 00:13:40,917 --> 00:13:43,420 in 85% of the counties in the United States, 274 00:13:43,486 --> 00:13:46,490 there's not a single doctor willing to perform abortions. 275 00:13:46,556 --> 00:13:49,060 Well, don't some doctors just prefer not to? 276 00:13:49,126 --> 00:13:50,230 Yeah. 277 00:13:50,461 --> 00:13:53,635 And a lot of doctors prefer not getting shot in the head. 278 00:13:54,531 --> 00:13:56,068 If you believe this crap of Seeley's, 279 00:13:56,134 --> 00:13:58,978 you can understand why the guy pulled the trigger. 280 00:13:59,304 --> 00:14:00,942 That's the problem with fanatics. 281 00:14:01,005 --> 00:14:02,814 You get their followers in the right frame of mind, 282 00:14:02,874 --> 00:14:05,185 the next thing you know, they're chugging Kool-Aid. 283 00:14:05,244 --> 00:14:07,781 I've got Drew Seeley's arrest reports. 284 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:10,327 When he went from sitting in to inciting murders, 285 00:14:10,382 --> 00:14:12,885 I bet he lost a lot of supporters. 286 00:14:13,118 --> 00:14:15,121 Right, we'll look and see who used to get busted 287 00:14:15,188 --> 00:14:18,135 at Seeley's sit-ins and who doesn't anymore. 288 00:14:23,731 --> 00:14:26,837 You know why America had a recession, detective? 289 00:14:27,468 --> 00:14:29,072 Something to do with interest rates? 290 00:14:29,136 --> 00:14:31,743 And crime, drought, earthquakes. 291 00:14:32,241 --> 00:14:35,313 Father Seeley says we're being punished for our sins. 292 00:14:35,677 --> 00:14:39,626 If we don't get right with the Lord, the United States may cease to exist. 293 00:14:39,682 --> 00:14:42,026 Well, Seeley's not a Father anymore. 294 00:14:42,218 --> 00:14:44,630 To me, he is. The man's a prophet. 295 00:14:44,787 --> 00:14:47,290 Well, how come you're not still out there with him? 296 00:14:47,357 --> 00:14:50,396 I would be, but my husband got sick. 297 00:14:50,461 --> 00:14:51,872 I have to run the store. 298 00:14:54,798 --> 00:14:57,405 I marched against the war in Vietnam 299 00:14:57,469 --> 00:14:59,745 and against the nuclear arms race. 300 00:15:00,305 --> 00:15:01,784 Now I march for life. 301 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,548 I didn't think there was much crossover between those movements. 302 00:15:04,609 --> 00:15:06,453 It's all about respect for human life. 303 00:15:06,512 --> 00:15:07,684 Seems pretty clear to me. 304 00:15:07,747 --> 00:15:10,421 Is that why you stopped marching with Seeley? 305 00:15:10,683 --> 00:15:13,186 Abortion doctors are a form of human life. 306 00:15:13,252 --> 00:15:15,961 Seeley and I parted ways on that point. 307 00:15:16,156 --> 00:15:18,602 Can you think of anybody who might have taken Seeley's advice 308 00:15:18,659 --> 00:15:20,297 a little too seriously? 309 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,703 And shot that doctor? 310 00:15:21,762 --> 00:15:24,004 Believe me, if I knew, I'd tell you. 311 00:15:24,098 --> 00:15:26,908 Now, excuse me. I have a customer waiting. 312 00:15:28,202 --> 00:15:31,240 Well, either they're still in love with Seeley, or they haven't got a clue. 313 00:15:31,306 --> 00:15:32,547 Who's next? 314 00:15:32,941 --> 00:15:35,444 Randall Jenkins, 432 Canal Street. 315 00:15:35,511 --> 00:15:37,923 Oh, good. Then we can eat Chinese. 316 00:15:38,681 --> 00:15:40,820 Randall doesn't live here anymore. 317 00:15:40,950 --> 00:15:42,588 LOGAN: But he is your husband? 318 00:15:43,853 --> 00:15:45,491 We're getting divorced. 319 00:15:46,156 --> 00:15:48,796 Oh. Do you know where we can find him? 320 00:15:49,994 --> 00:15:52,440 We really don't keep in touch much. 321 00:15:52,496 --> 00:15:55,636 Do you know why he stopped hanging out with Drew Seeley? 322 00:15:55,700 --> 00:15:56,804 He didn't. 323 00:15:57,101 --> 00:15:59,946 He still sends me literature about saving my soul. 324 00:16:00,439 --> 00:16:02,680 Is there a return address on the literature? 325 00:16:02,741 --> 00:16:04,049 I didn't check. 326 00:16:04,843 --> 00:16:07,120 Look, we... We just had some problems. 327 00:16:08,247 --> 00:16:11,228 If you see him, don't even say you saw me, all right? 328 00:16:13,486 --> 00:16:15,488 She's scared of the guy. 329 00:16:15,655 --> 00:16:19,763 He still follows Seeley, but he stopped getting busted at the protests. 330 00:16:19,827 --> 00:16:21,431 Randall Jenkins. 331 00:16:21,495 --> 00:16:24,602 Eight months ago he burst into a women's clinic on Long Island 332 00:16:24,666 --> 00:16:26,236 and started roughing people up. 333 00:16:26,301 --> 00:16:29,373 He was arrested for assault and sentenced to probation. 334 00:16:29,437 --> 00:16:32,077 Right. So he gets arrested again, even for trespassing, 335 00:16:32,140 --> 00:16:33,586 he goes straight to the joint. 336 00:16:33,643 --> 00:16:36,055 And he's not afraid of getting physical. 337 00:16:36,445 --> 00:16:40,416 Well, maybe he needed to stay out of jail to do something more important 338 00:16:40,716 --> 00:16:42,458 like kill a doctor. 339 00:16:45,756 --> 00:16:47,702 From Jenkins' probation officer. 340 00:16:47,758 --> 00:16:50,170 His new address and place of employment. 341 00:16:54,999 --> 00:16:58,879 Hey, Silkowitzl It's not insured. 342 00:17:00,606 --> 00:17:03,519 I don't expect them to be geniuses. 343 00:17:03,575 --> 00:17:05,919 Keep the mustard out of the ketchup 344 00:17:05,978 --> 00:17:08,391 and don't bang the carts into walls. 345 00:17:08,448 --> 00:17:11,986 Plus, they have to master the recipe of boiling hot dogs, right? 346 00:17:12,919 --> 00:17:13,920 Right. 347 00:17:14,220 --> 00:17:17,168 We're looking for a guy named Randall Jenkins. Is he back yet? 348 00:17:17,224 --> 00:17:18,225 Jenkins. 349 00:17:18,659 --> 00:17:22,072 He fills his cart half with dogs, half with pamphlets. 350 00:17:22,663 --> 00:17:25,907 Now I got the only pro-life frankfurters on the West Side. 351 00:17:25,967 --> 00:17:27,275 So where is he? 352 00:17:27,602 --> 00:17:30,446 He took Tuesday off. Never did come back. 353 00:17:33,575 --> 00:17:35,749 Tuesday. Let's get a warrant. 354 00:17:36,479 --> 00:17:39,016 What are you doing? Come on, just open it. 355 00:17:44,121 --> 00:17:45,566 He is not dangerous, is he? 356 00:17:45,622 --> 00:17:47,363 Dangerous? You got the whole police department here. 357 00:17:47,424 --> 00:17:50,337 Just tell him you gotta fix the radiator. Come on. 358 00:17:50,594 --> 00:17:51,834 (KNOCKING) 359 00:17:52,497 --> 00:17:53,703 Mr. Jenkins! 360 00:17:58,803 --> 00:18:00,909 Whoa, whoa, whoa. All right? Thanks. 361 00:18:16,656 --> 00:18:17,896 "Blood pollutes the land," 362 00:18:17,958 --> 00:18:22,408 "and no expiation can be made except by the blood of him who hath shed it." 363 00:18:22,964 --> 00:18:24,500 Numbers 35. 364 00:18:25,066 --> 00:18:27,673 Yeah, Old Testament. Blood and guts. 365 00:18:27,836 --> 00:18:29,247 (PAGER BEEPING) 366 00:18:30,272 --> 00:18:31,512 Van Buren. 367 00:18:35,444 --> 00:18:36,924 BRISCOE: Yeah, it's Briscoe. 368 00:18:37,814 --> 00:18:39,191 He's got Jenkins? 369 00:18:40,617 --> 00:18:41,618 Okay. 370 00:18:42,752 --> 00:18:45,927 Seeley called. Van Buren wants us to go pay him a visit. 371 00:18:46,857 --> 00:18:49,895 Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. It's a 9 millimeter. 372 00:18:56,101 --> 00:18:59,139 Looks like he called the networks before he called us. 373 00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:00,977 I hate this. 374 00:19:03,342 --> 00:19:06,221 Yes, of course we pray for the soul of Eileen Reed, 375 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:09,351 as we pray for the souls of those children she murdered. 376 00:19:09,715 --> 00:19:11,821 Here comes Caesar's policemen now. 377 00:19:12,052 --> 00:19:13,554 I really hate this. 378 00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:14,894 Let's just try to do it fast. 379 00:19:14,955 --> 00:19:18,027 All right, excuse us. Police. Excuse me. 380 00:19:19,026 --> 00:19:20,870 Mr. Randall Jenkins, gentlemen. 381 00:19:20,929 --> 00:19:23,000 The most righteous man you'll ever arrest. 382 00:19:23,064 --> 00:19:26,102 In the eyes of God, I declare I shot Dr. Reed. 383 00:19:26,334 --> 00:19:27,404 You're kidding. 384 00:19:27,469 --> 00:19:28,505 JOURNALIST: Mr. Jenkins. 385 00:19:28,571 --> 00:19:31,142 Jenkins, you're under arrest for the murder of Eileen Reed. 386 00:19:31,207 --> 00:19:32,811 You have the right to remain silent. 387 00:19:32,875 --> 00:19:35,481 Anything you say can and will be used... I am right with God. 388 00:19:35,544 --> 00:19:36,852 Nothing else matters. 389 00:19:36,912 --> 00:19:39,052 You have the right to an attorney. 390 00:19:41,318 --> 00:19:43,696 "Docket number 6-5-4-7-4." 391 00:19:43,854 --> 00:19:45,492 "People v. Randall Jenkins." 392 00:19:45,555 --> 00:19:48,059 "The charge is murder in second degree." 393 00:19:48,226 --> 00:19:49,534 (GAVEL BANGING) 394 00:19:50,461 --> 00:19:53,738 The bailiff will eject anyone from this courtroom 395 00:19:53,998 --> 00:19:56,741 who thinks his opinion should compete with mine. 396 00:20:00,339 --> 00:20:01,511 Do we have a plea? 397 00:20:01,573 --> 00:20:04,180 I committed no crime in the eyes of the Lord. 398 00:20:05,545 --> 00:20:07,388 I'll call that a "not guilty." 399 00:20:07,447 --> 00:20:08,755 Ms. Kincaid? 400 00:20:08,815 --> 00:20:10,726 Other physicians' lives are at risk 401 00:20:10,783 --> 00:20:12,695 if Mr. Jenkins is allowed bail, Your Honor. 402 00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:14,027 It's babies who are at risk. 403 00:20:14,088 --> 00:20:17,399 Mr. Jenkins surrendered as soon as he became a suspect, Your Honor. 404 00:20:17,458 --> 00:20:19,460 He's not likely to flee now. 405 00:20:19,527 --> 00:20:22,236 Flight's not what I'm worried about, counselor. 406 00:20:22,697 --> 00:20:25,644 On behalf of the babies who grow up to be doctors, 407 00:20:26,034 --> 00:20:27,342 bail is denied. 408 00:20:28,670 --> 00:20:32,050 A trial seems like a waste of the taxpayers' money. 409 00:20:32,208 --> 00:20:35,052 We've got the gun, your client's confessed. 410 00:20:35,878 --> 00:20:39,520 Are you so afraid to confront Biblical law in a courtroom? 411 00:20:39,950 --> 00:20:41,554 What is he doing here? 412 00:20:41,885 --> 00:20:44,297 Mr. Jenkins has asked Father Seeley 413 00:20:44,354 --> 00:20:46,766 to be in attendance as his spiritual advisor. 414 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,601 Well, in your capacity as his legal advisor, 415 00:20:52,664 --> 00:20:54,575 would please tell his spiritual advisor 416 00:20:54,632 --> 00:20:58,513 that Mr. Jenkins has a 100% chance of being convicted? 417 00:21:00,472 --> 00:21:04,010 And you can drop the honorific. He's no longer a priest. 418 00:21:04,844 --> 00:21:08,758 Our defense will be justification. 419 00:21:09,516 --> 00:21:10,790 Justification? 420 00:21:10,884 --> 00:21:12,886 That was laughed out of court in Florida. 421 00:21:12,953 --> 00:21:15,901 Maybe New York judges are more sophisticated. 422 00:21:20,828 --> 00:21:25,710 You're getting lousy advice from both heaven and earth here, Mr. Jenkins. 423 00:21:25,767 --> 00:21:28,077 If you go to trial and lose, 424 00:21:28,904 --> 00:21:30,907 you'll draw a maximum sentence. 425 00:21:35,244 --> 00:21:37,815 "Then Peter and the other Apostles answered, 426 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,452 "'We ought to obey God rather than men."' 427 00:21:50,829 --> 00:21:53,139 He'd do better pleading insanity. 428 00:21:53,198 --> 00:21:56,270 It's Seeley sitting there pulling the strings. 429 00:21:57,103 --> 00:22:00,880 All we know that he actually does is congratulate the murderers. 430 00:22:00,940 --> 00:22:03,887 We ought to be looking at him for conspiracy. 431 00:22:04,076 --> 00:22:06,421 Oh, you want to revoke his right to free speech? 432 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,757 He's trying to revoke a woman's Constitutional right to choose. 433 00:22:09,816 --> 00:22:12,194 Oh, so two wrongs make a right? 434 00:22:12,252 --> 00:22:14,631 Is that what they taught you in Harvard Law School? 435 00:22:14,689 --> 00:22:17,260 Maybe we'd be better off sticking to the case at hand. 436 00:22:17,325 --> 00:22:19,100 Case? What case? 437 00:22:19,227 --> 00:22:21,002 Justification can only be claimed 438 00:22:21,062 --> 00:22:24,306 if the killer reasonably believes they're protecting a human life 439 00:22:24,366 --> 00:22:25,845 from imminent deadly force. 440 00:22:25,901 --> 00:22:28,438 So Jenkins will claim that he was protecting human lives 441 00:22:28,504 --> 00:22:31,576 from being terminated by Eileen Reed when she got to the clinic. 442 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,643 First trimester embryos. 443 00:22:33,743 --> 00:22:35,984 He'll be flying in the face of statute and case law. 444 00:22:36,046 --> 00:22:37,081 And his attorney will say 445 00:22:37,147 --> 00:22:40,651 that all that matters is what Randall Jenkins reasonably believed. 446 00:22:40,717 --> 00:22:41,719 ADAM: Nope. 447 00:22:42,086 --> 00:22:45,260 What matters now is what Judge Newfield believes. 448 00:22:49,026 --> 00:22:53,442 JACK: Justifiable force can only be claimed in defense of a person, Your Honor. 449 00:22:53,498 --> 00:22:56,035 Under New York law, a fetus is not a person. 450 00:22:56,368 --> 00:22:59,816 That definition is explicitly limited to the homicide statute. 451 00:22:59,906 --> 00:23:04,878 Fine. If there was no threat of homicide, then Mr. Jenkins had no justification. 452 00:23:04,944 --> 00:23:08,620 In the matter of Danielle Smith, Your Honor. 453 00:23:09,516 --> 00:23:11,996 A court in this state ruled that 454 00:23:12,052 --> 00:23:16,468 an unborn child is a person for the purpose of being protected from abuse 455 00:23:16,524 --> 00:23:19,300 by its mother's drinking during her pregnancy. 456 00:23:19,828 --> 00:23:22,035 The context is very similar to the present case. 457 00:23:22,097 --> 00:23:24,544 That mother's actions were irresponsible. 458 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,013 Dr. Reed's actions were protected by the United States Constitution. 459 00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:31,813 Mr. Jenkins has to show he reasonably believed 460 00:23:31,874 --> 00:23:35,049 the fetuses he was protecting from Dr. Reed are persons. 461 00:23:35,479 --> 00:23:38,085 This decision makes that view seem 462 00:23:38,782 --> 00:23:39,954 very reasonable. 463 00:23:40,016 --> 00:23:42,122 Mr. Jenkins cannot reasonably believe 464 00:23:42,186 --> 00:23:44,530 that a fetus is a person in the context of abortion 465 00:23:44,589 --> 00:23:47,297 when the Supreme Court has ruled that it isn't. 466 00:23:49,660 --> 00:23:52,870 Don't you ever disagree with the Supreme Court, Mr. McCoy? 467 00:23:53,866 --> 00:23:54,867 (SCOFFS) 468 00:23:55,367 --> 00:23:58,143 NEWFIELD: The reasonableness of Mr. Jenkins' views 469 00:23:58,203 --> 00:24:00,684 is a question of fact, not of the law. 470 00:24:05,578 --> 00:24:07,387 I'll let it go to the jury. 471 00:24:08,415 --> 00:24:09,553 If, in the course of the trial, 472 00:24:09,617 --> 00:24:11,995 the defense satisfies its obligation 473 00:24:12,052 --> 00:24:16,831 to establish the other statutory requirements of justification. 474 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,006 Judge Newfield's playing politics. 475 00:24:21,062 --> 00:24:23,372 He's courting the pro-life vote. 476 00:24:23,431 --> 00:24:25,172 Maybe he's just pro-life. 477 00:24:26,936 --> 00:24:30,509 Jack, you say that like he's pro vanilla ice cream. 478 00:24:30,907 --> 00:24:34,047 Claire, if we make this trial about feminism, 479 00:24:34,110 --> 00:24:37,456 we'll be taking the bait and arguing the wrong issues. 480 00:24:37,581 --> 00:24:39,083 Eileen Reed died 481 00:24:39,149 --> 00:24:42,858 because she was protecting a woman's legal right to choose. 482 00:24:43,588 --> 00:24:44,965 Eileen Reed died 483 00:24:45,390 --> 00:24:48,667 because Randall Jenkins put a bullet in her head. 484 00:24:53,165 --> 00:24:56,408 The bullet entered the skull two centimeters above the left orbit. 485 00:24:56,468 --> 00:24:58,573 It passed through the frontal and parietal lobes 486 00:24:58,637 --> 00:25:01,016 and exited through the occipital skull. 487 00:25:01,241 --> 00:25:02,743 That gunshot was the cause of death? 488 00:25:02,809 --> 00:25:03,947 Yes. 489 00:25:04,044 --> 00:25:05,421 Nothing further. 490 00:25:10,551 --> 00:25:14,260 Have you ever conducted an autopsy on a pregnant woman, Dr. Rogers? 491 00:25:14,322 --> 00:25:16,233 Objection. Beyond the scope of cross. 492 00:25:16,290 --> 00:25:18,396 This witness was called as an expert on life and death. 493 00:25:18,460 --> 00:25:19,837 Dr. Reed's death. 494 00:25:20,562 --> 00:25:23,099 That's quite a narrow medical specialty, isn't it? 495 00:25:23,165 --> 00:25:26,806 I'll allow the question, Mr. Garnett, despite the sarcasm. 496 00:25:33,509 --> 00:25:36,650 Yes, I have conducted autopsies on pregnant women. 497 00:25:36,714 --> 00:25:39,126 GARNETT: Does the fetus always die at the same time as the mother? 498 00:25:39,183 --> 00:25:42,756 Different parts of the body often die at different times. 499 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,091 Have you ever heard the phrase "brain dead"? 500 00:25:45,156 --> 00:25:46,829 That's not what I asked you, Doctor. 501 00:25:46,892 --> 00:25:49,395 Fine. You like this answer better? 502 00:25:50,295 --> 00:25:55,109 I've autopsied gunshot victims where the fetus died first, then the brain, 503 00:25:55,935 --> 00:26:00,213 and the rest of the body's been kept alive on life support for a week. 504 00:26:01,007 --> 00:26:02,851 Your question is moot, sir. 505 00:26:05,913 --> 00:26:09,087 NANCY: Well, I got Dr. Reed's name when I went to that clinic. 506 00:26:09,182 --> 00:26:11,356 I used it to get her address. 507 00:26:11,419 --> 00:26:12,727 It wasn't that hard. 508 00:26:12,787 --> 00:26:16,792 And the information you obtained about her, you gave it to Randall Jenkins? 509 00:26:16,858 --> 00:26:19,567 Well, I gave it to Father Seeley first. 510 00:26:19,762 --> 00:26:21,503 Then Randy asked about it. 511 00:26:22,097 --> 00:26:24,373 I didn't see any harm in telling him. 512 00:26:24,533 --> 00:26:25,603 When you went to the clinic, 513 00:26:25,668 --> 00:26:28,377 pretending you wanted to terminate your pregnancy, 514 00:26:28,438 --> 00:26:30,145 what did Dr. Reed do? 515 00:26:33,209 --> 00:26:36,019 Did Dr. Reed give you an abortion? 516 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:37,623 I didn't want one. 517 00:26:37,682 --> 00:26:39,628 But Dr. Reed didn't know that. 518 00:26:40,017 --> 00:26:42,429 Did she start preparing to give you one? 519 00:26:42,987 --> 00:26:43,988 No. 520 00:26:44,955 --> 00:26:45,957 Why not? 521 00:26:49,294 --> 00:26:51,296 She said I seemed unsure. 522 00:26:51,897 --> 00:26:55,209 She wanted me to take a few days to make up my mind. 523 00:26:56,436 --> 00:27:00,179 So your pregnancy wasn't in any imminent danger, was it? 524 00:27:00,473 --> 00:27:01,474 No. 525 00:27:06,613 --> 00:27:08,251 When Mr. Jenkins 526 00:27:09,283 --> 00:27:10,956 asked you for Dr. Reed's schedule, 527 00:27:11,018 --> 00:27:12,828 why did you give it to him? 528 00:27:12,921 --> 00:27:13,922 Why not? 529 00:27:14,289 --> 00:27:15,529 I knew Randy. 530 00:27:15,824 --> 00:27:18,065 He devoted his life to the pre-born. 531 00:27:18,126 --> 00:27:21,074 How else did he show his devotion? 532 00:27:21,130 --> 00:27:23,235 NANCY: Randy mailed out letters, 533 00:27:23,666 --> 00:27:25,646 he handed out flyers, 534 00:27:26,202 --> 00:27:29,240 he did sidewalk counseling outside of clinics, 535 00:27:29,539 --> 00:27:30,643 he sat in. 536 00:27:31,174 --> 00:27:33,916 He chained himself to clinic doors so they couldn't be opened. 537 00:27:33,977 --> 00:27:37,254 So, shooting Dr. Reed 538 00:27:37,681 --> 00:27:39,320 wasn't the first thing he did 539 00:27:39,383 --> 00:27:42,125 in his efforts to save the pre-born? 540 00:27:42,553 --> 00:27:43,554 No. 541 00:27:44,422 --> 00:27:46,368 No, he tried non-violence. 542 00:27:46,959 --> 00:27:48,267 It didn't work. 543 00:27:48,827 --> 00:27:49,931 GARNETT: Thank you. 544 00:27:52,464 --> 00:27:55,343 She's not just testifying for him, she's lying for him. 545 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,974 Jenkins was violent at least once before at that clinic on Long Island. 546 00:27:59,038 --> 00:28:00,711 Maybe she didn't know. 547 00:28:00,874 --> 00:28:02,512 He ran amok in an abortion clinic. 548 00:28:02,575 --> 00:28:04,316 That's a badge of honor among these people. 549 00:28:04,377 --> 00:28:06,119 Why wouldn't he tell her? 550 00:28:07,148 --> 00:28:08,752 It might've even helped the defense show 551 00:28:08,816 --> 00:28:12,923 that Jenkins tried other lesser means before resorting to murder. 552 00:28:14,089 --> 00:28:16,262 Find out why he kept it to himself. 553 00:28:19,961 --> 00:28:22,033 They sneak up to the window sometimes. 554 00:28:22,098 --> 00:28:24,544 There'll be a scared college girl waiting for the procedure, 555 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,843 and some creep will be going, "Save a life, don't take one." 556 00:28:27,904 --> 00:28:30,384 I got the impression Randall Jenkins did a lot more than that. 557 00:28:30,439 --> 00:28:31,441 Oh, yeah. 558 00:28:31,542 --> 00:28:33,453 I'd like to find out when he's having a prostate exam 559 00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:35,183 and pull him off the table. 560 00:28:35,245 --> 00:28:36,918 He got into an examining room? 561 00:28:36,980 --> 00:28:39,518 Knocked over two secretaries and a nurse to get there. 562 00:28:39,584 --> 00:28:41,427 He seemed to be after a particular patient. 563 00:28:41,486 --> 00:28:43,488 But none of the patients testified against him. 564 00:28:43,555 --> 00:28:47,128 She was gone by the time the police arrived, and she never came back. 565 00:28:47,192 --> 00:28:49,036 Joan Smith. In the city. 566 00:28:49,295 --> 00:28:51,206 432 Canal Street. 567 00:28:57,037 --> 00:28:58,038 JOANNA: Yes? 568 00:28:58,672 --> 00:28:59,810 Miss Smith? 569 00:29:01,107 --> 00:29:03,849 Or should I say Mrs. Jenkins? 570 00:29:08,616 --> 00:29:12,291 When Randy asked me to marry him, I thought that was what I wanted. 571 00:29:13,488 --> 00:29:15,025 People make mistakes. 572 00:29:15,124 --> 00:29:16,228 They grow. 573 00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:18,838 Randy doesn't grow. 574 00:29:19,228 --> 00:29:20,605 He never changes. 575 00:29:22,498 --> 00:29:26,311 No matter what happens, he stays precisely, exactly the same. 576 00:29:27,003 --> 00:29:28,380 But you changed. 577 00:29:31,641 --> 00:29:33,679 When I found out I was pregnant, 578 00:29:34,945 --> 00:29:38,358 it meant I either had to stay with Randy 579 00:29:39,483 --> 00:29:41,623 or raise the baby by myself. 580 00:29:46,424 --> 00:29:49,064 I don't have any money, I... 581 00:29:53,132 --> 00:29:55,339 It was so hard to decide what to do. 582 00:30:02,442 --> 00:30:04,547 Randy followed you to the clinic? 583 00:30:07,782 --> 00:30:08,783 Yeah. 584 00:30:09,150 --> 00:30:10,527 I ran away. 585 00:30:13,655 --> 00:30:17,331 Two weeks later, I went to a clinic in New Jersey. 586 00:30:20,296 --> 00:30:22,298 I told him I had a miscarriage. 587 00:30:22,832 --> 00:30:24,642 He didn't believe me. 588 00:30:26,303 --> 00:30:28,977 Do you think he told his friends what happened? 589 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:30,313 How could he? 590 00:30:30,507 --> 00:30:31,884 He's so pro-life. 591 00:30:34,178 --> 00:30:37,591 He tried to make me say where I had it done, but I never would. 592 00:30:37,648 --> 00:30:40,151 Why do you think he wanted to know? 593 00:30:41,018 --> 00:30:43,329 Well, he wanted to get even with them. 594 00:30:44,289 --> 00:30:46,428 Your wife wouldn't tell you who performed the procedure, 595 00:30:46,491 --> 00:30:48,835 so you just shot the first doctor you could find. 596 00:30:48,894 --> 00:30:52,809 She was doing abortions every Tuesday and Thursday. 597 00:30:52,865 --> 00:30:56,142 But you didn't kill her to stop those abortions, Mr. Jenkins, 598 00:30:56,202 --> 00:30:57,875 you killed her for revenge. 599 00:30:57,937 --> 00:31:00,475 Your justification defense just evaporated. 600 00:31:00,941 --> 00:31:02,648 This time it was mine. 601 00:31:05,246 --> 00:31:07,021 I never got to know him. 602 00:31:11,419 --> 00:31:13,592 Why isn't anybody mourning for him? 603 00:31:16,959 --> 00:31:19,371 Give us a few minutes, would you, please? 604 00:31:28,205 --> 00:31:30,879 He could still take the stand and try to talk his way out of it. 605 00:31:30,941 --> 00:31:34,081 Seeley is probably in there writing a new press release. 606 00:31:36,114 --> 00:31:37,286 We're ready. 607 00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:41,062 My client will take a plea. Manslaughter one. 608 00:31:41,719 --> 00:31:42,925 In exchange for what? 609 00:31:42,987 --> 00:31:44,228 The guilty party. 610 00:31:44,757 --> 00:31:46,498 He didn't shoot her? 611 00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:49,267 He shot her. 612 00:31:49,895 --> 00:31:52,502 But someone else tracked her down, gave Mr. Jenkins the gun, 613 00:31:52,565 --> 00:31:55,136 drove him to the garage, pointed out Dr. Reed, 614 00:31:55,201 --> 00:31:58,410 told him to shoot her, then drove him away. 615 00:32:01,442 --> 00:32:02,443 I see. 616 00:32:04,578 --> 00:32:07,684 You promised Jenkins he'd get off, but he won't. 617 00:32:08,816 --> 00:32:11,354 So now you're handing over another fall guy. 618 00:32:13,288 --> 00:32:15,359 That's right, Mr. McCoy. 619 00:32:16,591 --> 00:32:17,592 Me. 620 00:32:24,834 --> 00:32:26,871 Seeley wanted to put abortion on trial, 621 00:32:26,937 --> 00:32:29,781 but Jenkins' revenge motive muddied the waters, 622 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,480 so now Seeley steps up as the ideal defendant. 623 00:32:32,543 --> 00:32:35,387 Didn't he tell the police he had an alibi? 624 00:32:35,479 --> 00:32:38,984 Now he says he caused a ruckus at the pro-choice conference 625 00:32:39,050 --> 00:32:40,859 but slipped away early. 626 00:32:40,919 --> 00:32:42,421 I talked to the conference organizer. 627 00:32:42,487 --> 00:32:45,128 She now says she's not sure what time he left. 628 00:32:45,458 --> 00:32:48,701 So he changes his story because he wants his show trial. 629 00:32:48,761 --> 00:32:51,640 And our organizer lady changes her story 630 00:32:51,697 --> 00:32:53,939 because she wants Seeley in jail. 631 00:32:55,869 --> 00:32:57,473 And is there anyone in town 632 00:32:57,537 --> 00:32:59,141 who is not using this office 633 00:32:59,206 --> 00:33:00,913 for their own personal agenda? 634 00:33:00,974 --> 00:33:02,147 JACK: I'm giving Jenkins his deal. 635 00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:03,553 We try Seeley for murder. 636 00:33:03,611 --> 00:33:05,352 Why? You like being used? 637 00:33:06,147 --> 00:33:09,321 Seeley is more dangerous than a dozen Jenkinses. 638 00:33:09,517 --> 00:33:11,964 Isn't justice served by putting them both behind bars? 639 00:33:12,020 --> 00:33:14,057 For the greater good, huh? 640 00:33:15,657 --> 00:33:17,830 Sounds like one of Seeley's arguments 641 00:33:17,893 --> 00:33:20,602 which you are about to hear most eloquently. 642 00:33:20,663 --> 00:33:22,404 He's representing himself. 643 00:33:30,307 --> 00:33:32,753 Well-meaning people can disagree. 644 00:33:34,478 --> 00:33:38,894 Especially about the most emotionally divisive issue to confront this country 645 00:33:39,384 --> 00:33:40,761 in this century. 646 00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:45,065 Drew Seeley 647 00:33:46,059 --> 00:33:48,869 has an opinion about abortion, too. 648 00:33:50,096 --> 00:33:53,305 He thinks his opinion entitles him to kill people. 649 00:33:54,401 --> 00:33:57,814 He will tell you that he had a good reason to do what he did. 650 00:33:58,372 --> 00:34:00,147 This is what he did. 651 00:34:01,708 --> 00:34:05,680 He hunted down a woman named Eileen Reed. 652 00:34:07,782 --> 00:34:10,695 He handed Randall Jenkins a gun. 653 00:34:12,121 --> 00:34:16,536 He told Randall Jenkins to shoot Eileen Reed in the head, 654 00:34:18,761 --> 00:34:19,899 and he did. 655 00:34:21,765 --> 00:34:23,108 Drew Seeley 656 00:34:24,134 --> 00:34:27,081 is a self-appointed executioner. 657 00:34:29,874 --> 00:34:32,616 If you let him get away with it, you better pray 658 00:34:33,611 --> 00:34:36,717 that people like him don't find some fault with you. 659 00:34:51,998 --> 00:34:55,913 A hundred and fifty years ago, you weren't considered a person. 660 00:34:57,771 --> 00:34:58,806 Or you. 661 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,441 Or you. 662 00:35:01,509 --> 00:35:04,491 A man named John Brown thought that was wrong, 663 00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:06,852 so he took violent action 664 00:35:07,516 --> 00:35:09,655 to liberate black American slaves. 665 00:35:11,686 --> 00:35:14,190 Well, he was arrested and brought to trial 666 00:35:15,691 --> 00:35:17,693 because slavery was legal. 667 00:35:18,127 --> 00:35:20,630 And the law said... The law said 668 00:35:21,364 --> 00:35:25,108 that slaves were not persons deserving of protection. 669 00:35:27,604 --> 00:35:29,880 He was convicted and he was hanged. 670 00:35:31,276 --> 00:35:32,687 But you know what? 671 00:35:34,112 --> 00:35:37,685 John Brown was right, and the law was wrong. 672 00:35:39,485 --> 00:35:42,227 And now John Brown is considered a hero. 673 00:35:44,256 --> 00:35:47,703 Today abortion is legal. 674 00:35:49,262 --> 00:35:50,832 But I say to you, 675 00:35:51,998 --> 00:35:55,275 that law is wrong. 676 00:35:57,038 --> 00:35:59,450 And like John Brown, I follow... 677 00:36:01,742 --> 00:36:03,244 a higher law. 678 00:36:05,413 --> 00:36:06,859 I ask you 679 00:36:08,050 --> 00:36:09,358 to do the same. 680 00:36:14,991 --> 00:36:16,732 My wife got a call. 681 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,697 The man did not identify himself. 682 00:36:19,762 --> 00:36:23,039 He said he wanted to rip her limbs out of their sockets 683 00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:26,047 just like she did every Tuesday and Thursday. 684 00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:32,146 I call your attention to People's Exhibit Four, 685 00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:36,424 stipulated as originating on Mr. Seeley's Xerox machine. 686 00:36:39,517 --> 00:36:41,862 Do you know how this came into your wife's possession? 687 00:36:41,921 --> 00:36:42,922 Yes. 688 00:36:42,989 --> 00:36:46,027 That was the first one she ever got with her name on it. 689 00:36:46,092 --> 00:36:49,232 A few days before she was killed, it was sent to her private office. 690 00:36:49,295 --> 00:36:51,207 JACK: Did your wife try to keep her name a secret 691 00:36:51,264 --> 00:36:52,971 from people who opposed her activities? 692 00:36:53,033 --> 00:36:54,034 SIMON: Yes. 693 00:36:54,401 --> 00:36:56,711 Some of these people are crazy. 694 00:36:57,704 --> 00:37:01,175 She was always afraid that one of the real nuts would find her. 695 00:37:01,776 --> 00:37:02,880 Thank you. 696 00:37:04,746 --> 00:37:07,227 Dr. Reed, your wife was upset 697 00:37:07,282 --> 00:37:10,695 to receive these calls and letters? 698 00:37:10,753 --> 00:37:11,857 Of course. 699 00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:14,661 SEELEY: But she didn't stop performing abortions, did she? 700 00:37:14,723 --> 00:37:15,725 No. 701 00:37:15,825 --> 00:37:17,736 I told her it wasn't worth it, 702 00:37:17,994 --> 00:37:20,235 but she said she wouldn't allow women 703 00:37:20,296 --> 00:37:23,140 to be deprived of their right of choice 704 00:37:23,366 --> 00:37:25,369 by people threatening her life. 705 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,650 Did you want her to stop? 706 00:37:29,707 --> 00:37:31,152 I wanted her alive. 707 00:37:31,809 --> 00:37:33,721 So we both tried to stop her. 708 00:37:33,979 --> 00:37:37,483 But nothing would make her stop as long as she lived. 709 00:37:37,916 --> 00:37:39,827 JACK: Objection! You son of a bitch! 710 00:37:39,885 --> 00:37:41,228 SEELEY: Nothing further. Mr. Seeley! 711 00:37:41,286 --> 00:37:42,664 Nothing further! 712 00:37:49,896 --> 00:37:52,605 JACK: Please tell us your occupation, Dr. Moran. 713 00:37:52,666 --> 00:37:57,308 I'm an obstetrician, and I frequently write and lecture on medical ethics. 714 00:37:57,938 --> 00:38:01,011 You've also been an advisor to Mr. Seeley, haven't you? 715 00:38:01,142 --> 00:38:05,284 Some of my work has contributed to his opposition to abortion, yes. 716 00:38:06,014 --> 00:38:10,430 Does any of your expertise in this area derive from your own experience? 717 00:38:10,886 --> 00:38:11,887 Yes. 718 00:38:12,154 --> 00:38:14,794 I used to perform them myself 719 00:38:16,058 --> 00:38:20,064 until I awoke to the fact that they are wrong. 720 00:38:23,533 --> 00:38:26,071 When you were still performing them, 721 00:38:26,337 --> 00:38:29,409 would Mr. Seeley have been justified in killing you? 722 00:38:32,677 --> 00:38:33,883 (SIGHS) 723 00:38:38,517 --> 00:38:39,518 Yes. 724 00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:44,534 I was, in effect, committing murder. 725 00:38:49,129 --> 00:38:50,233 In effect? 726 00:38:53,934 --> 00:38:56,380 I was committing murder. 727 00:39:00,742 --> 00:39:01,846 Fine. 728 00:39:06,848 --> 00:39:08,589 Would you please stand up? 729 00:39:11,087 --> 00:39:12,623 Officer, arrest this woman. 730 00:39:12,688 --> 00:39:13,962 Mr. McCoy. 731 00:39:14,090 --> 00:39:16,798 We've just heard a confession of murder, Your Honor. 732 00:39:16,859 --> 00:39:18,840 Officer... I'm not amused, Mr. McCoy! 733 00:39:18,896 --> 00:39:21,240 How many counts of murder should we charge you with, Dr. Moran? 734 00:39:21,298 --> 00:39:22,675 SCARLETTI: Mr. McCoy! 735 00:39:23,934 --> 00:39:26,437 May I remind you that abortion is legal? 736 00:39:27,539 --> 00:39:29,143 Thank you, Your Honor. 737 00:39:36,315 --> 00:39:38,852 "The Lord said unto Jeremiah," 738 00:39:39,952 --> 00:39:42,330 "I knew you when you were in the womb." 739 00:39:46,526 --> 00:39:49,029 I tried to stop the abortionists 740 00:39:49,096 --> 00:39:52,634 by marching, by sitting in, by threats. 741 00:39:53,534 --> 00:39:56,606 I even called the police to report murders in progress. 742 00:39:56,804 --> 00:39:58,044 They laughed. 743 00:39:58,539 --> 00:40:01,452 And the death camp clinics kept on working. 744 00:40:04,346 --> 00:40:05,916 I did the only thing 745 00:40:07,483 --> 00:40:09,588 that was left for me to do. 746 00:40:13,056 --> 00:40:15,969 I am before you as a servant of God. 747 00:40:20,831 --> 00:40:22,742 I'm ready for your questions. 748 00:40:31,209 --> 00:40:32,483 So, Mr. Seeley, 749 00:40:35,881 --> 00:40:37,020 you believe 750 00:40:38,985 --> 00:40:42,398 that doctors who terminate pregnancies should be killed? 751 00:40:42,455 --> 00:40:43,559 Yes, I do. 752 00:40:43,623 --> 00:40:44,829 JACK: And your reasons for doing this 753 00:40:44,890 --> 00:40:46,700 are grounded in the Bible? SEELEY: Yes. 754 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,398 Do you do everything that the Bible tells you? 755 00:40:48,462 --> 00:40:49,736 I try to. 756 00:40:49,863 --> 00:40:51,399 Well, do you keep slaves? 757 00:40:51,465 --> 00:40:53,536 Ephesians 6:5, 758 00:40:53,901 --> 00:40:58,044 "Slaves, obey your worldly masters with fear and trembling." 759 00:40:58,106 --> 00:40:59,608 No, Mr. McCoy. 760 00:40:59,808 --> 00:41:02,550 The Bible simply recognizes a practice of ancient times. 761 00:41:02,610 --> 00:41:04,215 Without condemning it. 762 00:41:06,148 --> 00:41:09,095 Does the Bible specifically condemn abortion? 763 00:41:09,518 --> 00:41:11,122 No. JACK: No? 764 00:41:11,821 --> 00:41:14,563 So, have you been reading God's mind? 765 00:41:17,260 --> 00:41:21,334 "Rescue the weak and the needy." Psalm 82, Verse 4. 766 00:41:21,399 --> 00:41:22,742 Is that what you do? 767 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,904 Yes, I do. 768 00:41:24,235 --> 00:41:25,612 You don't rescue the weak, 769 00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:28,742 you manipulate the weak to kill people for you. 770 00:41:29,341 --> 00:41:31,844 Randall Jenkins followed God's word 771 00:41:32,644 --> 00:41:34,749 and performed a righteous act. 772 00:41:35,447 --> 00:41:36,448 Did he? 773 00:41:40,953 --> 00:41:42,660 If it was so righteous, 774 00:41:44,724 --> 00:41:46,670 why didn't you do it yourself? 775 00:41:48,028 --> 00:41:51,771 My God-given gift 776 00:41:52,433 --> 00:41:55,039 is to organize and lead. Oh. 777 00:41:57,739 --> 00:42:00,720 When you were drafted in the Vietnam War, did you go? 778 00:42:01,209 --> 00:42:02,210 Yes. 779 00:42:02,310 --> 00:42:05,053 As a non-combatant conscientious objector. 780 00:42:05,114 --> 00:42:06,115 Yes. 781 00:42:06,883 --> 00:42:09,329 So that you wouldn't have to shoot anyone, isn't that correct? 782 00:42:09,385 --> 00:42:11,888 Oh, I would have shot, if necessary, to protect others. 783 00:42:11,954 --> 00:42:13,491 But you didn't do it. 784 00:42:13,590 --> 00:42:14,694 Well, I wasn't called upon. 785 00:42:14,758 --> 00:42:16,135 There were plenty of other men with guns. 786 00:42:16,193 --> 00:42:17,228 And then in the 1970s, 787 00:42:17,294 --> 00:42:19,865 you were active in a campaign against capital punishment? 788 00:42:19,930 --> 00:42:22,002 Capital punishment is revenge. 789 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,138 I killed Dr. Reed to prevent deaths, not to avenge them. 790 00:42:26,204 --> 00:42:28,514 You believe that killing is wrong, don't you, Mr. Seeley? 791 00:42:28,573 --> 00:42:29,643 Of course. 792 00:42:29,707 --> 00:42:32,314 Does the Bible specifically condemn murder? 793 00:42:32,378 --> 00:42:34,255 Yes. "Thou shalt not kill." 794 00:42:34,446 --> 00:42:36,119 That's why I oppose abortion. 795 00:42:36,181 --> 00:42:39,425 And that's also why you don't shoot doctors 796 00:42:39,486 --> 00:42:41,830 who perform abortions. 797 00:42:41,888 --> 00:42:42,889 No. 798 00:42:42,956 --> 00:42:44,196 I just told you, 799 00:42:44,257 --> 00:42:48,502 others do that so that I can stay out of jail and keep the movement alive. 800 00:42:48,562 --> 00:42:51,372 Well, but you're ready to go to jail now. 801 00:42:51,899 --> 00:42:52,969 You never would have been arrested 802 00:42:53,033 --> 00:42:55,980 or brought to trial if you hadn't confessed. 803 00:42:57,572 --> 00:42:59,984 The Lord called me to come forward. 804 00:43:00,075 --> 00:43:02,146 And it's a sin to disobey God, isn't it? 805 00:43:02,210 --> 00:43:03,416 Yes, it is. 806 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,688 Are you a sinner, Mr. Seeley? 807 00:43:08,651 --> 00:43:10,961 I fear that all men are sinners, Mr. McCoy. 808 00:43:11,020 --> 00:43:12,727 And what is your sin? 809 00:43:14,892 --> 00:43:16,269 This is neither the time nor the place. 810 00:43:16,326 --> 00:43:19,500 On the contrary, this is exactly the time and the place. 811 00:43:21,665 --> 00:43:24,306 God calls you to organize murders, 812 00:43:24,502 --> 00:43:27,108 God calls you to take credit for murders, 813 00:43:27,439 --> 00:43:30,318 but God never calls on you to pull the trigger? 814 00:43:32,478 --> 00:43:34,355 Each of us has a role. 815 00:43:36,215 --> 00:43:37,956 You can't do it, can you? 816 00:43:39,552 --> 00:43:41,555 You can't bring yourself to shoot someone, 817 00:43:41,621 --> 00:43:43,931 even though you think God is telling you to do it, 818 00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:45,367 you can't do it. 819 00:43:45,592 --> 00:43:47,401 I put the gun in Randall's hand! 820 00:43:47,461 --> 00:43:48,633 I told him where to point it! 821 00:43:48,695 --> 00:43:51,575 You can't point a gun at another human being, 822 00:43:51,632 --> 00:43:54,476 even an abortion doctor, and pull the trigger, 823 00:43:54,535 --> 00:43:57,379 because in your soul you know it's wrong! 824 00:43:57,438 --> 00:43:58,577 God says it's right! 825 00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,675 You don't believe that. 826 00:43:59,742 --> 00:44:01,119 I believe in the Lord my God... 827 00:44:01,176 --> 00:44:02,484 Your defense is a lie! 828 00:44:02,544 --> 00:44:06,253 No, what is a lie is the arrogant belief that what you're doing here 829 00:44:06,415 --> 00:44:09,693 furthers justice! Answer my question, Mr. Seeley. 830 00:44:16,694 --> 00:44:20,267 You are unable to shoot doctors yourself 831 00:44:21,065 --> 00:44:23,272 because in your soul 832 00:44:23,534 --> 00:44:25,310 you know it's wrong. 833 00:44:31,543 --> 00:44:34,923 You took an oath on the Bible to tell the truth here. 834 00:44:40,987 --> 00:44:42,262 We're waiting. 835 00:44:43,624 --> 00:44:45,433 He's badgering me, Your Honor. 836 00:44:45,492 --> 00:44:48,063 I'll instruct him to lower the temperature, 837 00:44:48,162 --> 00:44:50,666 but you still have to answer the question. 838 00:44:59,808 --> 00:45:01,082 We're waiting. 839 00:45:07,416 --> 00:45:09,192 If he doesn't believe his own defense, Your Honor, 840 00:45:09,252 --> 00:45:10,925 there's no way you can send it to the jury. 841 00:45:10,987 --> 00:45:12,591 He's right, Mr. Seeley. 842 00:45:12,656 --> 00:45:14,966 The heart of the justification defense 843 00:45:15,158 --> 00:45:16,637 is what you believe. 844 00:45:16,693 --> 00:45:20,506 If you're not prepared to say you believe this killing was justified, 845 00:45:20,865 --> 00:45:22,902 I cannot let the jury consider the defense. 846 00:45:22,967 --> 00:45:25,208 I believe killing abortionists is moral. 847 00:45:25,269 --> 00:45:27,978 But you won't tell us why you don't pull the trigger yourself. 848 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,576 That is between me and my God! 849 00:45:29,641 --> 00:45:31,348 And me, Mr. Seeley. 850 00:45:32,111 --> 00:45:34,091 If you won't answer the question, 851 00:45:34,146 --> 00:45:38,118 I will order the jury not to consider the justification defense. 852 00:45:38,651 --> 00:45:40,927 That means you have no defense. 853 00:45:44,325 --> 00:45:47,795 If Mr. McCoy is willing to offer you any kind of plea bargain, 854 00:45:48,929 --> 00:45:50,806 I suggest you take it. 855 00:45:56,104 --> 00:45:57,913 Seeley pleaded to murder two. 856 00:45:57,973 --> 00:46:00,283 We made it 20-to-life instead of 25. 857 00:46:00,342 --> 00:46:02,448 One for the books, I tell you. 858 00:46:02,545 --> 00:46:05,025 Make it clear that you can't kill anyone, 859 00:46:05,281 --> 00:46:07,955 and that's what nails him for murder. 860 00:46:08,017 --> 00:46:09,759 It's in his own mind, too. 861 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,093 He felt guilty 'cause he didn't kill the doctors. 862 00:46:12,156 --> 00:46:13,157 Yeah. 863 00:46:13,256 --> 00:46:17,102 He says God wants him to go to prison and minister to souls in chains. 864 00:46:17,261 --> 00:46:20,072 Don't you love it when everybody's happy?