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In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented by two separate
yet equally important groups-
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the police, who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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I thought you were
buying the paper.
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Just checking the ponies.
Yeah?
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How did Johnnie Walker make out in the fifth?
Cut me some slack, Gretch.
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You know how much stress
I'm under right now.
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It is 8:00 in the damn morning.
I'll go to a meeting.
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Right.
Jeffrey.
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I really mean it this time,
I swear.
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Oh, my God.
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White female, late 30s.
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People who live in the garden apartment
found her first thing this morning.
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Guy's half in the bag.
The early bird catches the hangover.
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Looks like she took a header
from one of the hotel balconies.
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Get the crime techs up there.
Check out all the rooms
with balconies facing this backyard
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Will do.
Victim have any I.D. on her?
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No pockets. She was wearin' a skirt.
All right. Thanks.
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- Brody, what you got for us, man?
- Quick drive-by, blunt trauma smorgasbord.
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Broken pelvis,
shattered lower extremities,
lots of lacerations,
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rib cage like a bag full
of broken china.
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Jumpin' off a balcony
will do that.
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If she jumped,
she would have hit that lower roof.
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You saying she was pushed?
I'll know more when I get her on the table.
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But judging from the trajectory,
I'd say, yeah, she had help.
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Can you put a time on it?
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Based on body temperature
and lividity, I'd ballpark it somewhere
between 10:00 and 11:00 last night.
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Detectives,
this is Mr. Wrightsman,
the manager of the hotel.
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How can I help you?
What can you tell us about the upper floors,
the ones with the balconies?
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Those are our executive suites.
So much for the golden parachute.
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It's a nice view.
I prefer a southern exposure.
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Hey, Reed. You got anything?
Usable prints? I doubt it.
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But I did find this
lying out here on the terrace.
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Contact lens.
Cutting-edge R.G.P.
Rigid Gas Permeable.
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- Could've popped out during a struggle.
- Don't get your hopes up.
It's extremely durable.
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It could've been lying out here
for days, weeks, months.
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I know it's hopeless,
but get it to the lab anyway.
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What a novel idea.
I was gonna auction it off on eBay.
You want another idea?
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Detectives?
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Lisa Winslow checked in
yesterday afternoon around 4:00.
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Reception gave her one room key.
She certainly didn't mess up the room.
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Concierge said she just used it
to freshen up before her speech...
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at the Hoop-la International
Convention last night.
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- Hoop-la?
- Licensees for various pro basketball
products and spin-offs.
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We have some of the top players here.
Julius West, Jimmy Neal.
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- What'd she talk about?
- I gather she was some kind
of motivational speaker.
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Fire up the reps
to sell more sneakers.
That sort of thing.
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Five-hundred-dollar-a-day
dressing room?
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I guess she could afford it,
unless this purse is some kind
of Canal Street knockoff.
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Well, she's our high diver,
all right. “Lisa Winslow."
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No wonder she could afford
to use the place
just to powder her nose.
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She's a local.
Blackstone Avenue, the Bronx.
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It's Riverdale.
Trust me, this purse is real.
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I'm sorry. Miss Winslow is not here.
I don't know where.
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Who are you, ma'am?
I'm the nanny.
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Uh, if we could just come in?
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We need to talk to somebody
about Miss Winslow.
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Do you know if there's any family
we can call?
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Miss Lisa's sister is here.
Why don't you go get her? Thanks.
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You can wait in here.
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I hate it when they have kids.
You kidding? It's the worst.
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- Can I help you?
- Uh, this is Detective Green.
I'm Detective Briscoe.
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Renee Bishop.
ls there a problem?
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You're Lisa Winslow's sister?
What is it? What's wrong?
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I'm afraid that we have
some bad news.
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About Lisa?
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She was found dead early this morning
at the Park Terrace Hotel.
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Oh, my God!
She fell from a balcony
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Sophie.
Sophie?
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My niece, Lisa's daughter.
What am I going to tell her?
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Is her father around?
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Lisa's a single parent.
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What's his name?
Where can we get in touch with him?
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There's no one to get in touch with.
Sophie was adopted.
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Mommy?
Oh, Mommy's not home yet.
I'll be there in a minute.
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I can't find my princess doll.
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I'm going to be with you
in one minute, all right?
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Lorena, will you help her
look for her doll, please?
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Of course. Come, mi hija.
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When you're up to it,
we're gonna need you
to come down and identify her.
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Of course I will.
We also need to know
where your sister worked.
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She owned her own business.
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I think I have her card
in my purse.
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I'll get it.
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Lisa was one of the top
motivational speakers
in the country.
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Her competitive background
in athletics dovetailed nicely
with contemporary corporate culture.
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"1996 Olympic Swim Team."
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“First place, Big Island
Iron Woman Triathlon."
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She won three triathlons.
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Do you know how hard that is?
What an accomplishment?
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My idea of a triathlon
was junior high
punt, pass and kick.
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So she did well.
Oh, very well
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- Business was booming. She was in great demand.
- What about her personal life?
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Lisa was much too busy
to have a personal life.
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No boyfriends,
ex-boyfriends, husbands?
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She was gay.
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Oh, any girlfriends,
ex-girlfriends?
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She never mentioned
anyone to me.
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What can you tell us
about this speaking engagement
she had last night?
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She rocked the house.
They absolutely ate it up.
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Finished the Q&A
a little after 9:00.
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What'd she do after that?
There was a reception.
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When I left,
she was heading to the bar
with a couple of players.
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- Schmoozing was Lisa's forte.
- Which players was she schmoozing with?
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I'm sorry. I'm not in to basketball.
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They were tall,
African American.
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She was in here last night.
Had a few Cosmos.
Actually, more than a few.
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Who was she drinking with?
A couple of black guys,
looked like basketball players.
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We got this Hoop-la-la
Convention here all week.
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So they had a couple of drinks--
A few laughs, then paid the tab and left.
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- Together?
- Yeah, I guess. Around 10:00.
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How'd they pay the tab?
One of the guys charged it to his room.
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Yeah, we tossed back a couple with her.
Honey said she was writing some sort
of motivational book for athletes.
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She wanted a few quotes,
like what makes a winner,
stuff like that.
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Uh, why?
We'll ask the questions.
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After the bar, what'd you do?
I went upstairs, hit the sack.
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Alone?
Yeah.
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What about you?
Me, I caught a ride downtown
to this new hip-hop spot, TR Caesars.
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How long were you there?
Uh, maybe till, like,
3:00 in the morning.
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Did you happen to get
a taxi receipt?
A taxi?
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Call the limo company
and they'll straighten you out.
All right. We will
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So, uh, am I off the hook?
I mean, I gotta split.
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Don't tell me I can't leave town.
I got a big game in K.C. tonight.
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You can go for now.
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See you in Philly, bro.
No doubt.
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So you're on your way
to your room. Did you ride
the elevator with Ms. Winslow?
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Yeah. She got off at her floor,
I went on up to mine.
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So as far as we know,
you were the last person
to see her alive.
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This is messed up.
I told you. I went to my room, man.
My wheels are here.
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That's gonna have to wait.
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You were in the elevator with her.
Y'all got this connection going.
You end up in her room?
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No. I told you.
I did not go to the lady's room.
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Only she's not interested
in what you have to offer,
and you can't figure out why.
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This is so wrong.
“No” is not a word you're
used to hearing, is it, Shawn?
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Look, I hooked up
with a shortie, okay?
A shortie?
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A female.
She was hangin' in the lobby,
sweatin' me all night.
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Finally gave her my room number,
told her to holler at me around 10:00.
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You got a name for this shortie?
Alicia. I think.
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So, Alicia. You didn't happen
to notice her last name, did you?
No, I didn't.
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It was just a one-hitter quitter.
She was sportin' team color.
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Like a varsity jacket?
Yeah.
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What school?
Marlboro. Yeah, Marlboro.
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My mom's, like, in the Dark Ages.
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If she finds out about this,
she'll, like, totally freak.
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Why don't you tell us what happened,
and we'll try to make sure
that she don't totally freak.
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Shawn's Web site said
he'd be in New York.
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I thought it'd be cool to meet him.
He's always been my favorite player.
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He's so cute.
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So you went up to his room?
He's famous.
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I've never been
with a famous person before.
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So how long were you two kickin' it?
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I hooked up with him about 10:00,
went home about 2:00.
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He even paid
for my cab fare home.
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Gee, a real gentleman, huh?
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All right. Thanks.
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I'm glad I don't have kids.
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It's a mixed bag.
They're not all like Alicia.
Some of them are worse.
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Ed. These came in while you were out.
Thanks, man.
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M.E. says the D.N.A. on the contact
wasn't Lisa Winslow.
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Could be it belonged
to the killer after all.
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Also found circumferential bruises
on her upper arms,
contusion on her left hip.
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That's consistent with being grabbed
and pushed off that balcony.
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I have a problem.
Join the club. Shawn Beatty's
alibi just got corroborated.
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Lisa Winslow's parents
are on their way here
from New Hope.
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They want to know
why they had to find out
about their daughter's death...
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from a news item on the radio.
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We told the sister.
She didn't tell the family?
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According to the parents,
Lisa Winslow doesn't have a sister.
What?
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Then who was the woman
we met at Winslow's house?
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We sent a patrol car by
to have a word with her.
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Whoever she is, she's gone,
and she took the girl with her.
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Damn.
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So you have no idea
who this woman might be?
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I'm afraid you're asking
the wrong people.
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Lisa kept us
out of her private life.
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Mr. and Mrs. Winslow, we need to
find your granddaughter now.
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She's really not our granddaughter.
We've never even met her.
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She is precious.
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We got a lot of people working on this.
There's a statewide Amber Alert.
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If you know anything
that can help, great.
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If not, we're wasting valuable time
when we should be out looking for her.
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Um...
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about eight years ago,
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Lisa told us she'd met
a woman in Florida,
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and they were gonna
adopt a child down there.
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Said they were gonna get married.
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You know, shack up together.
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Said they were in love.
Broke her mother's heart.
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After that
we didn't talk very much.
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- Maybe a card at Christmas.
- They were living in Florida?
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After they split up,
Lisa moved to New York.
That was two years ago.
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Do you know if she had any friends
in New York we could talk to?
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Anybody she might have
confided in?
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Who was that Susan girl
at NYU, Paul?
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Um, Susan Roberts, was it?
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I think they kept in touch
over the years.
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Lisa wasn't the type to
pour out her heart over cocktails.
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Do you know
if she was seeing somebody?
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As far as I know, uh,
a few dates here and there.
No one special.
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What about past relationships?
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She had an ex in Florida.
Renee something. I never met her.
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I think we have.
They were living in Miami.
That's where they adopted Sophie.
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Do you have any idea
why they broke up?
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Lisa said they'd just grown apart.
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Been together something like seven years,
didn't have anything in common anymore.
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Except for Sophie.
Yeah, except Sophie.
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What I understand,
Renee was devastated by the split,
and so was Sophie.
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I told Lisa I thought
she was wrong to separate them.
Renee was Sophie's mother too.
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What did Lisa do?
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Moved to New York,
got a lawyer.
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Do you know how we can find this lawyer?
Yeah, I used her for my divorce.
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Nancy Shapiro.
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Madison and 53rd.
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Where is Sophie, by the way?
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Who's taking care of her?
We're looking for her.
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00:12:58,102 --> 00:13:00,783
Renee has her?
219
00:13:00,845 --> 00:13:03,525
Renee Bishop, still in Miami,
far as I know.
220
00:13:03,587 --> 00:13:06,667
Here's her contact info.
I'm gonna call the squad, get 'em on it.
221
00:13:06,732 --> 00:13:10,120
Why don't you tell me
about the custody battle?
There was none.
222
00:13:10,178 --> 00:13:13,429
Custody battles occur
when both parties have
legal custodial rights,
223
00:13:13,489 --> 00:13:15,633
which was not the case here.
224
00:13:15,696 --> 00:13:19,449
It's our understanding
that these two women
raised the child together.
225
00:13:19,510 --> 00:13:21,517
Heather Has Two Mommies.
226
00:13:21,584 --> 00:13:25,542
Florida law prohibits
homosexuals from adopting.
Lisa filed as a single woman.
227
00:13:25,598 --> 00:13:29,144
Which gave her legal custody.
Sole legal custody.
228
00:13:29,210 --> 00:13:31,388
So why hire you?
229
00:13:31,451 --> 00:13:35,135
To protect her interests.
Lisa didn't want Renee Bishop
in Sophie's life.
230
00:13:35,197 --> 00:13:37,148
Sophie was adjusting nicely,
231
00:13:37,204 --> 00:13:41,162
and any further contact would have
prolonged the agony of the divorce.
232
00:13:41,218 --> 00:13:44,572
Renee Bishop took
a whole lot of legal avenues
to get some kind of visitation,
233
00:13:44,630 --> 00:13:47,139
but under Florida law,
she didn't have a leg to stand on.
234
00:13:47,205 --> 00:13:50,387
Woman raises a kid for five years,
then gets cut out of her life.
235
00:13:50,450 --> 00:13:52,401
Sounds like motive to me.
236
00:13:52,457 --> 00:13:56,472
It makes me a little less worried about the girl.
At least we know her other mother
isn't gonna harm her.
237
00:13:56,538 --> 00:13:59,549
I just got off the phone
with Bishop's roommate in Miami.
238
00:13:59,616 --> 00:14:02,729
According to him,
she left for New York City
last week.
239
00:14:02,792 --> 00:14:05,142
Did he say where she was staying?
No.
240
00:14:05,201 --> 00:14:07,585
What about her cell phone?
Trace her through that?
241
00:14:07,643 --> 00:14:11,156
Doesn't have one,
but I did get the LUDS
from her home phone in Miami.
242
00:14:11,222 --> 00:14:16,275
Renee Bishop made over 50 calls
to Lisa Winslow in the last six months.
243
00:14:16,340 --> 00:14:19,191
That's a lot of calls to your ex.
Not if you're fighting over a kid.
244
00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:22,170
Lieutenant?
Yeah,. Thanks.
245
00:14:22,226 --> 00:14:26,914
Renee Bishop's credit card charges.
246
00:14:26,976 --> 00:14:30,660
She's been staying
at the Melrose Hotel all week.
247
00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:36,616
Sure. I remember this little girl.
Cute as a button. Here with her mom.
248
00:14:36,677 --> 00:14:40,361
Renee Bishop.
Bishop? Just a minute.
249
00:14:41,962 --> 00:14:45,383
Here she is. Renee Bishop.
They checked out an hour ago.
250
00:14:45,441 --> 00:14:48,987
Damn. We're gonna need
a record of her phone calls.
251
00:14:49,053 --> 00:14:51,059
I'll print one out.
252
00:14:52,063 --> 00:14:55,576
John, come here a minute.
Doorman might know
which way they went.
253
00:14:57,282 --> 00:14:59,997
N.Y.P.D.
They're looking for this kid
and her mom.
254
00:15:00,058 --> 00:15:04,107
Yeah, I remember them.
I put 'em on a hotel shuttle
to Port Authority.
255
00:15:04,172 --> 00:15:07,423
Thanks. Great.
By now they're on a bus
to God knows where.
256
00:15:07,483 --> 00:15:10,962
518. I know that area code.
It's upstate someplace, right?
257
00:15:11,029 --> 00:15:15,351
There were a couple of 518 calls
on her Florida LUDS.
258
00:15:15,411 --> 00:15:17,417
Same number.
Bloomington, New York.
259
00:15:17,485 --> 00:15:21,066
That's not that far.
That's, like, two hours on the thruway,
near Kingston.
260
00:15:21,131 --> 00:15:24,552
Call the Port Authority,
the phone company
and the state police.
261
00:15:24,609 --> 00:15:27,187
I'll drive.
262
00:15:27,252 --> 00:15:29,602
Woman Speaking, indistinct]
263
00:15:32,704 --> 00:15:34,655
Sir?
264
00:15:35,982 --> 00:15:38,298
Have you seen this little girl
on the bus?
265
00:15:38,357 --> 00:15:40,604
They got off last stop,
Rosendale.
266
00:15:40,665 --> 00:15:43,015
They're not here, Ed.
I know. Let's go.
267
00:15:43,074 --> 00:15:46,929
Detective?
They were sitting behind me.
The little girl said she was hungry.
268
00:15:46,987 --> 00:15:49,999
The mother said
they would get something to eat
after they got off the bus.
269
00:15:50,064 --> 00:15:52,015
Thank you, ma'am.
I appreciate that.
270
00:15:52,071 --> 00:15:54,113
There's a pizza joint
behind the depot.
We're all over it.
271
00:15:54,178 --> 00:15:56,129
Thank you.
272
00:16:02,574 --> 00:16:04,958
Renee Bishop?
273
00:16:05,016 --> 00:16:08,437
Please. Not here.
Not in front of my little girl.
Come on, ma'am.
274
00:16:08,494 --> 00:16:11,243
Let's make this easy on everybody
Grandma, what's happening?
275
00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:13,255
Don't worry, baby.
It's okay honey
276
00:16:13,311 --> 00:16:15,729
- Everything's going to be okay.
- You can come too, sweetie.
277
00:16:15,786 --> 00:16:17,737
No!
278
00:16:17,793 --> 00:16:20,644
- Leave her here with me. I'll take her home.
- Sorry, ma'am. We can't do that.
279
00:16:20,704 --> 00:16:22,551
I'm her grandmother!
Ma'am, I'm sorry.
280
00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:25,827
When we get to the city,
Social Services will take
very good care of Sophie.
281
00:16:25,888 --> 00:16:28,809
Will I be able to see her?
Sorry ma'am. That's not up to us.
282
00:16:28,866 --> 00:16:31,877
We're gonna take a little ride.
Mommy's coming too.
What about Grandma?
283
00:16:31,942 --> 00:16:33,949
Grandma's gonna have to
stay here for now.
284
00:16:34,016 --> 00:16:37,632
You go along with those men.
I'll see you later, baby.
Bye, Grandma.
285
00:16:37,695 --> 00:16:40,410
Bye, baby.
Bye, Mom.
286
00:16:40,472 --> 00:16:43,289
Bye.
287
00:16:43,348 --> 00:16:45,299
Bye, Grandma.
288
00:16:51,343 --> 00:16:54,355
Docket 2206,
People v. Renee Bishop.
289
00:16:54,421 --> 00:16:56,770
Charge is one count kidnapping
in the second degree.
290
00:16:56,829 --> 00:17:01,722
Mr. Hobart, can we get a plea
before Valentine's Day is history?
291
00:17:01,779 --> 00:17:04,596
Not guilty.
People on bail?
292
00:17:04,656 --> 00:17:08,614
The People seek remand.
The defendant was fleeing with
the minor victim of the kidnapping.
293
00:17:08,670 --> 00:17:11,316
Ms. Bishop was taking her daughter
for a family visit.
294
00:17:11,380 --> 00:17:14,334
The defendant bears no legal
or familial relationship to this child.
295
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:16,740
The People are being disingenuous.
296
00:17:16,798 --> 00:17:20,516
- Wouldn't be the first time, counselor.
- Defendant is remanded.
297
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:25,663
Mr. McCoy, opposing bail?
Was that really necessary?
298
00:17:25,729 --> 00:17:28,238
Your client is charged
with kidnapping,
299
00:17:28,304 --> 00:17:31,316
implicated in Lisa Winslow's homicide.
300
00:17:31,382 --> 00:17:34,097
Do you expect us
to offer her a cup of tea?
301
00:17:34,158 --> 00:17:37,670
I was taking my daughter
to see her grandparents.
Renee, please.
302
00:17:37,738 --> 00:17:41,786
Mr. McCoy, your so-called kidnap
is a custodial disagreement.
303
00:17:41,852 --> 00:17:44,304
Parents run off with their kids
every day in divorce cases.
304
00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:48,682
There's no legally recognized
relation between your client
and Sophie Winslow.
305
00:17:48,742 --> 00:17:52,426
- She's my child.
- Not under Florida or New York statute.
306
00:17:52,488 --> 00:17:56,274
Okay, what do you say we parse
the finerpoints of family law
another day?
307
00:17:56,334 --> 00:17:59,323
We all know you would've
brought homicide charges
if you had a case.
308
00:17:59,379 --> 00:18:01,295
Since you didn't, you don't.
Not yet.
309
00:18:01,352 --> 00:18:05,469
So what are you saying?
You're leveraging a trumped-up
kidnap charge to investigate a murder?
310
00:18:05,533 --> 00:18:07,917
For better or worse,
Florida law gives us that authority.
311
00:18:07,975 --> 00:18:12,264
The law? The law wasn't there
when I was on the phone
with Sophie every day,
312
00:18:12,324 --> 00:18:14,833
and she was crying,
telling me how much she missed me.
313
00:18:14,899 --> 00:18:18,617
My client was going to be in New York
to visit her parents.
314
00:18:18,678 --> 00:18:23,230
She spoke to Ms. Winslow
a couple of weeks ago to see if something
couldn't be worked out, for Sophie's sake.
315
00:18:23,295 --> 00:18:26,546
Ms. Winslow agreed
my client could see Sophie.
316
00:18:26,606 --> 00:18:29,457
Sophie didn't have school that day,
317
00:18:29,516 --> 00:18:32,299
so we decided to have lunch
at their house.
318
00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,678
When Ms. Bishop got to the house
that morning, per agreement,
she had no idea what had happened.
319
00:18:35,738 --> 00:18:39,524
But after she talked to the police,
she grabbed Sophie and ran off.
320
00:18:39,584 --> 00:18:41,626
An understandable panic response.
321
00:18:41,692 --> 00:18:45,011
When the police told her what had happened
to Lisa, she was terrified she'd never
get to see Sophie again.
322
00:18:45,071 --> 00:18:48,082
You can imagine, Mr. McCoy,
how I felt.
323
00:18:48,147 --> 00:18:51,136
I can also imagine that you
were so angry at Lisa Winslow.
324
00:18:51,192 --> 00:18:53,678
for taking Sophie away from you...
325
00:18:53,734 --> 00:18:58,091
that you threw her off a balcony
in a rage.
326
00:18:58,149 --> 00:19:02,266
Renee Bishop just happens to be in town
the day Lisa Winslow's murdered?
327
00:19:02,330 --> 00:19:04,281
Never been a big fan
of coincidence.
328
00:19:04,337 --> 00:19:06,687
And given Renee Bishop's
account of the facts,
329
00:19:06,745 --> 00:19:09,392
I don't even know if a jury
will see this as a kidnapping.
330
00:19:09,455 --> 00:19:12,933
And I don't care,
given the fact that Ms. Bishop
is probably also a murderer...
331
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,951
and the kidnap charge
lets us hold her.
332
00:19:15,007 --> 00:19:19,125
Besides, Serena, the Florida statute
is not some technicality.
333
00:19:19,189 --> 00:19:21,835
It's the law.
Florida's in the minority, sir.
334
00:19:21,897 --> 00:19:26,585
- Is it?
- Most states permit some form
of gay adoption, including New York.
335
00:19:26,647 --> 00:19:29,328
They don't specifically
prohibit it, you mean.
336
00:19:29,391 --> 00:19:31,877
Pusillanimous
“don't ask, don't tell" policies.
337
00:19:31,932 --> 00:19:34,886
Hardly a ringing endorsement
of the underlying question,
338
00:19:34,943 --> 00:19:37,794
which makes a lot of folks queasy.
339
00:19:37,853 --> 00:19:42,335
Now, tell me, how are we gonna
go about making out a homicide case
against this Bishop woman?
340
00:19:42,402 --> 00:19:45,653
Everything about Lisa Winslow
screams type-A-plus personality.
341
00:19:45,713 --> 00:19:47,664
Olympic athlete,
Phi Beta at Brown.
342
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,606
Well, New York's full of ambitious women.
What are you thinking?
343
00:19:50,664 --> 00:19:54,554
Renee Bishop said that she arranged
to meet Lisa and Sophie at their home.
344
00:19:54,611 --> 00:19:57,097
You think she's lying?
345
00:19:57,153 --> 00:19:59,834
I think that Lisa Winslow
would sooner cut off her little finger...
346
00:19:59,896 --> 00:20:04,253
than take time out of her busy schedule
in the middle of a business day.
347
00:20:04,311 --> 00:20:07,824
The 25th?
Oh, you mean the day after.
348
00:20:07,890 --> 00:20:11,540
All I see here are
back-to-back-to-back meetings.
349
00:20:11,603 --> 00:20:14,454
No mention
of going home for lunch?
350
00:20:14,513 --> 00:20:18,768
At 11:45, she was going
to pitch her services
to the GenTech Corporation.
351
00:20:18,828 --> 00:20:21,109
Is there any possibility
she canceled?
352
00:20:21,170 --> 00:20:23,519
Blow off a potential
Fortune 500 account?
353
00:20:23,577 --> 00:20:26,326
Do you have any idea how long
it took her to get that contact?
354
00:20:26,387 --> 00:20:29,467
I'm gonna need the number
for GenTech.
355
00:20:30,937 --> 00:20:34,553
The C.E.O. of GenTech
told me that Lisa Winslow
never canceled her appointment
356
00:20:34,616 --> 00:20:37,969
She even confirmed it the day before.
Strike one on Bishop.
357
00:20:38,028 --> 00:20:41,610
Lisa never made plans
with Renee for lunch
or for anything else.
358
00:20:41,674 --> 00:20:44,525
Tell Jack, but you better count to 10 first.
359
00:20:47,293 --> 00:20:50,373
I've already told you, Mrs. Bishop.
I can't discuss the case with you.
360
00:20:50,438 --> 00:20:54,794
I'm terrified of losing my daughter.
Please don't take my granddaughter too.
361
00:20:54,853 --> 00:20:58,902
Ultimately, it's not up to me.
Whatever's deemed best
for the child.
362
00:20:58,967 --> 00:21:03,586
What's best for Sophie
is to be with her mother, or us.
363
00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:07,163
My husband and I,
we're her family, Mr. McCoy.
364
00:21:07,229 --> 00:21:09,944
If Renee has to go to jail,
we'd adopt her.
365
00:21:10,005 --> 00:21:13,587
We love her.
It took a while with Frank.
He's old-fashioned.
366
00:21:13,651 --> 00:21:15,658
But when he saw
those blue eyes--
367
00:21:15,725 --> 00:21:17,972
Mrs. Bishop.
368
00:21:18,033 --> 00:21:21,991
You can't send her
to the Winslows, Mr. McCoy
369
00:21:22,047 --> 00:21:24,054
They've never even
seen Sophie.
370
00:21:24,121 --> 00:21:27,873
They've never sent her
so much as a birthday card.
371
00:21:27,934 --> 00:21:32,588
And now she's with Social Services,
and they won't let me see her.
372
00:21:35,828 --> 00:21:37,778
I can't make any promises.
373
00:21:37,836 --> 00:21:43,094
Anything you can do for us,
Mr. McCoy, please.
374
00:21:49,107 --> 00:21:52,723
All of the calls originated
from Renee's phone in Florida.
375
00:21:52,786 --> 00:21:55,866
There wasn't one
returned phone call
from Lisa Winslow.
376
00:21:55,931 --> 00:21:58,612
She's harassing her.
But look at the time frame, Jack.
377
00:21:58,674 --> 00:22:01,993
All of the calls were
between 3:00 and 5:00 p.m.
378
00:22:02,052 --> 00:22:05,064
After school, but before
the end of the work day.
379
00:22:05,130 --> 00:22:08,517
Renee talked to Sophie,
never to Lisa.
380
00:22:08,575 --> 00:22:11,027
The calls stopped two months ago.
381
00:22:11,084 --> 00:22:15,703
Lisa finds out that Renee's
talking to Sophie, puts an end to it
and cuts off all contact between them.
382
00:22:15,766 --> 00:22:18,275
And that pushes Renee
over the edge.
383
00:22:18,342 --> 00:22:20,795
She comes to New York
and returns the favor, literally.
384
00:22:20,851 --> 00:22:23,930
If you can confirm that,
we're looking at a homicide charge.
385
00:22:23,994 --> 00:22:27,176
I'll talk to the nanny.
Go straight to the source.
386
00:22:27,239 --> 00:22:29,190
Sophie.
387
00:22:32,157 --> 00:22:34,164
Where'd you get your bunny?
388
00:22:34,231 --> 00:22:36,717
Mommy Renee gave it to me.
389
00:22:36,773 --> 00:22:38,951
She's a cutie-pie.
390
00:22:40,318 --> 00:22:44,207
Did you and Mommy Renee ever talk
after you and Mommy Lisa
moved to New York?
391
00:22:44,265 --> 00:22:47,516
I'm not supposed to say.
392
00:22:49,249 --> 00:22:53,709
I have a secret too. You want to hear it?
Yeah.
393
00:22:53,765 --> 00:22:56,616
When I was seven,
394
00:22:56,675 --> 00:22:59,424
I put soap
on my little brother's toothbrush.
395
00:22:59,485 --> 00:23:01,595
Gross!
396
00:23:01,658 --> 00:23:04,008
Did you get a time-out?
397
00:23:04,067 --> 00:23:06,519
I sure did.
Me too.
398
00:23:06,575 --> 00:23:10,397
When Mommy Lisa found out
that you were talking to Mommy Renee?
399
00:23:11,693 --> 00:23:13,644
She got mad.
400
00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:16,814
What did Mommy Renee say, honey?
401
00:23:16,878 --> 00:23:20,562
She said not to tell anyone.
402
00:23:20,624 --> 00:23:23,271
You're not going to tell, right?
403
00:23:23,334 --> 00:23:26,619
No, darling, I won't tell.
404
00:23:26,679 --> 00:23:29,793
Grandma?
405
00:23:29,856 --> 00:23:31,807
Grandma! Grandma!
406
00:23:31,863 --> 00:23:33,870
Hey, baby!
407
00:23:35,911 --> 00:23:38,329
Tell Mr. McCoy--
408
00:23:38,386 --> 00:23:41,169
Tell him thank you.
409
00:23:41,229 --> 00:23:43,511
Grandma?
410
00:23:43,571 --> 00:23:46,582
Can you take me home now?
411
00:23:48,755 --> 00:23:52,268
I'd rather observe an autopsy
than go through that again.
412
00:23:52,334 --> 00:23:56,349
And Sophie Winslow kept the calls
secret from her mother?
413
00:23:56,415 --> 00:23:59,997
I have assistants in this office
that don't show that kind
of self-restraint.
414
00:24:00,061 --> 00:24:03,745
Mr. Branch's office.
Your theory's right, Jack, it's murder two.
415
00:24:03,808 --> 00:24:06,955
Felony homicide.
Renee Bishop intentionally
killed Lisa Winslow...
416
00:24:07,018 --> 00:24:09,300
in furtherance of the kidnapping.
417
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,041
The theory's beginning
to look a lot more like fact.
418
00:24:12,103 --> 00:24:15,285
M.E. just confirmed
that Renee Bishop's D.N.A.
was on the contact lens.
419
00:24:15,347 --> 00:24:18,768
She was there.
Game, set, match.
420
00:24:18,826 --> 00:24:21,403
Before you go jumpin' the net,
we've got the child to consider.
421
00:24:21,468 --> 00:24:26,327
See if Mr. Hobart grasps the wisdom of a plea
under the present circumstances.
422
00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:31,809
The D.N.A. evidence
is incontrovertible.
423
00:24:31,871 --> 00:24:33,822
Not a word.
424
00:24:33,878 --> 00:24:36,991
We'll be amending the indictment
to include murder in the second degree.
425
00:24:37,056 --> 00:24:39,565
That's absurd. It was self-defense.
Ms. Winslow was drunk.
426
00:24:39,631 --> 00:24:41,741
She attacked my client.
They struggled.
427
00:24:41,805 --> 00:24:44,418
Save it, Mr. Hobart.
The facts say otherwise.
428
00:24:44,481 --> 00:24:47,469
She pleads to the top count,
we won't oppose the minimum sentence.
429
00:24:47,525 --> 00:24:50,172
How long is that?
430
00:24:50,235 --> 00:24:54,820
Sophie will be in college
before you're eligible for parole.
431
00:24:54,885 --> 00:24:59,002
I can't do that.
Who'll take care of her?
The Winslows?
432
00:24:59,065 --> 00:25:02,418
They don't even want her.
Some foster home?
433
00:25:02,477 --> 00:25:05,124
She won't grow up without me.
434
00:25:05,187 --> 00:25:09,441
Win, lose or draw, Ms. Bishop,
you'll never have custodial rights.
435
00:25:09,502 --> 00:25:12,821
Not necessarily.
We've retained local counsel in Florida.
436
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,389
He filed suit this morning
on Ms. Bishop's behalf,
437
00:25:15,455 --> 00:25:18,911
challenging the constitutionality
of the Florida law barring gays
from adopting.
438
00:25:18,968 --> 00:25:23,188
The Florida statute has nothing to do
with the charges against your client.
439
00:25:23,248 --> 00:25:26,704
It has everything to do with them.
If Ms. Bishop is acquitted
and if we prevail in Florida--
440
00:25:26,761 --> 00:25:31,221
You win the criminal case
and overturn the Florida statute.
Ms. Bishop can sue for custody of Sophie.
441
00:25:31,276 --> 00:25:34,755
At least she has a chance.
If she takes a plea, she's a convicted felon, an unfit parent.
442
00:25:34,822 --> 00:25:38,608
Any decision in Florida is years away.
Things are moving fast.
443
00:25:38,670 --> 00:25:42,422
Look at the Massachusetts case
on gay marriage.
It's only a matter of time.
444
00:25:42,482 --> 00:25:46,440
You're being given dangerous advice,
Ms. Bishop.
445
00:25:46,496 --> 00:25:50,454
You'll lose both cases.
You'll lose everything.
Take the plea.
446
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:52,461
No.
447
00:25:53,888 --> 00:25:56,500
I can't.
448
00:25:56,565 --> 00:25:58,572
I have no choice.
449
00:26:03,455 --> 00:26:07,915
Renee Bishop doesn't stand
a snowflake's chance in hades
of winning in the Florida courts.
450
00:26:07,971 --> 00:26:12,658
The Massachusetts Supreme Court
ruled that the law against gay marriage
is unconstitutional.
451
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,507
That's Massachusetts.
We're talkin' about Florida--
why we have states.
452
00:26:16,567 --> 00:26:19,681
Different states will draw the line
at different places on this issue.
453
00:26:19,745 --> 00:26:23,760
Just where
we were going with abortion
before Roe v. Wade.
454
00:26:23,825 --> 00:26:28,079
Old states' rights proponent like you,
I'm surprised you oppose gay marriage.
455
00:26:28,141 --> 00:26:31,129
But I don't.
Don't necessarily approve of it either.
456
00:26:31,184 --> 00:26:33,967
As far as I'm concerned,
it's none of my business,
or the federal government's.
457
00:26:34,027 --> 00:26:36,570
I can't believe we're on
the same side of this.
458
00:26:38,008 --> 00:26:40,517
I may have to reconsider my position.
459
00:26:45,668 --> 00:26:50,185
Hobart's moving to dismiss
the kidnapping charge
against Renee Bishop.
460
00:26:52,357 --> 00:26:55,745
“The Florida law barring gay adoption
being unconstitutional,
461
00:26:55,803 --> 00:27:00,456
“there is a parent-child relationship
between Renee Bishop and Sophie Winslow.
462
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,440
Therefore, the New York
kidnap charge is invalid."
463
00:27:03,496 --> 00:27:05,447
A mother can't kidnap
her own child.
464
00:27:05,503 --> 00:27:09,187
Kidnap charge goes,
proof of Renee's intent to kill
goes with it.
465
00:27:09,249 --> 00:27:11,200
The murder count is undermined.
466
00:27:11,256 --> 00:27:14,473
We still have motive.
One spouse kills another
over a child.
467
00:27:14,534 --> 00:27:16,485
It happens every day
468
00:27:16,541 --> 00:27:18,685
On the other hand,
if Hobart wins the motion--
469
00:27:18,749 --> 00:27:21,133
He argues they
just had a heated discussion
that got out of hand.
470
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:25,080
It becomes “she said she said ”
The odds of a conviction
drop to 50-50.
471
00:27:25,138 --> 00:27:29,153
Good luck to him
sailing that past Judge Bradley.
472
00:27:32,631 --> 00:27:36,783
Judge, the probability
that the defendant will prevail
in Florida is infinitesimal
473
00:27:36,845 --> 00:27:41,772
New York law controls here.
Ms. Bishop had no authority
to take the child.
474
00:27:41,829 --> 00:27:45,251
Ethnically, morally,
Renee Bishop had every right
to take Sophie.
475
00:27:45,308 --> 00:27:50,099
The fact that she is a gay woman
should not have been dispositive
of her rights in Florida or New York.
476
00:27:50,158 --> 00:27:53,306
I don't give a damn
who sleeps with who, counselor.
477
00:27:53,369 --> 00:27:57,053
I sure as hell don't care about
some backward, redneck statute.
478
00:27:57,115 --> 00:28:00,126
I see this more along the lines
of a family dispute.
479
00:28:00,193 --> 00:28:03,147
Renee Bishop is emphatically not family.
Catch-22.
480
00:28:03,203 --> 00:28:06,989
Florida law won't allow gays to marry,
and then it says they can't adopt
because they're not a family.
481
00:28:07,049 --> 00:28:09,000
He's bootstrapping, Judge.
482
00:28:09,056 --> 00:28:12,307
The defendant is the mother
because she might overturn a law...
483
00:28:12,368 --> 00:28:14,318
that bars her from being the mother.
484
00:28:14,374 --> 00:28:17,830
You're putting the mule
before the cart's even built, Mr. Hobart.
485
00:28:17,887 --> 00:28:21,400
That's an issue for the Florida courts
to decide some day,
486
00:28:21,466 --> 00:28:24,751
Till then, the parties have
a trial to prepare for.
487
00:28:24,811 --> 00:28:28,096
- Motion to dismiss is denied.
- Judge, if I may?
488
00:28:28,155 --> 00:28:30,140
Make it quick, Mr. Hobart.
489
00:28:30,197 --> 00:28:33,117
Sophie Winslow--
I've decided to call her as a witness.
490
00:28:33,173 --> 00:28:35,419
At what cost to Sophie?
491
00:28:36,953 --> 00:28:40,306
I am disinclined to allow it, Mr. Hobart.
492
00:28:40,365 --> 00:28:43,718
In her own mind, Renee Bishop
was acting to protect her family.
493
00:28:43,777 --> 00:28:47,826
The child can establish
the familial relationship,
at least in Renee's mind, existed.
494
00:28:47,891 --> 00:28:51,677
- Novel theory.
- Judge, it's an unnecessary burden for the child...
495
00:28:51,738 --> 00:28:54,350
and a naked attempt
to appeal to the jury's emotions.
496
00:28:54,413 --> 00:28:57,801
Of which you are never guilty,
Mr. McCoy.
497
00:28:57,859 --> 00:29:00,539
The child can testify
for the defense,
498
00:29:00,601 --> 00:29:04,719
but I will cut you off in a heartbeat
if I see her in trouble, Mr. Hobart.
499
00:29:09,332 --> 00:29:11,841
The deceased weighed 137 pounds.
500
00:29:11,907 --> 00:29:15,363
Had she simply fallen,
her trajectory would have put her here,
501
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:17,598
on this lower rooftop.
502
00:29:17,661 --> 00:29:20,649
How do you account for where
the body was actually found?
503
00:29:20,705 --> 00:29:25,723
To reach this point
where her body was recovered,
she had to have been pushed, hard.
504
00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:28,709
Additionally, there were bruises
to her arms and hip...
505
00:29:28,766 --> 00:29:32,119
consistent with being grabbed
and hurled with some force...
506
00:29:32,177 --> 00:29:34,629
over the balcony guardrail
507
00:29:34,687 --> 00:29:36,637
Nothing further.
508
00:29:40,272 --> 00:29:42,690
What was Ms. Winslow's
blood alcohol again?
509
00:29:42,747 --> 00:29:44,824
1.2.
510
00:29:44,889 --> 00:29:47,375
That's intoxicated, isn't it?
Yes.
511
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:49,472
Well over the legal limit,
in fact?
512
00:29:49,537 --> 00:29:51,488
It affects different individuals
differently.
513
00:29:51,544 --> 00:29:56,061
body weight, stomach content,
uh, tolerance to alcohol.
514
00:29:56,127 --> 00:29:58,545
Are you familiar with the term,
"falling down drunk"?
515
00:29:58,603 --> 00:30:02,355
- Objection.
- Sustained. Rephrase or move on, counselor.
516
00:30:02,416 --> 00:30:07,434
Hypothetically, had Ms. Winslow,
intoxicated as she was,
517
00:30:07,499 --> 00:30:10,316
come at Renee Bishop,
518
00:30:10,377 --> 00:30:12,555
isn't it possible that Renee Bishop,
519
00:30:12,618 --> 00:30:15,630
in an act of self-defense,
adrenaline pumping,
520
00:30:15,695 --> 00:30:19,744
could have deflected
Lisa Winslow's attack,
521
00:30:19,809 --> 00:30:22,695
propelling her to the point
where her body was found?
522
00:30:22,753 --> 00:30:24,966
Not the way I read the evidence.
523
00:30:25,028 --> 00:30:27,274
But is it possible, hypothetically?
524
00:30:27,335 --> 00:30:29,948
Anything's possible.
525
00:30:30,011 --> 00:30:32,520
Redirect, Mr. McCoy?
526
00:30:34,125 --> 00:30:37,638
Nothing, Your Honor.
The People rest.
527
00:30:39,745 --> 00:30:42,163
I'm in first grade.
528
00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:44,467
Last year I was in kindergarten.
529
00:30:44,528 --> 00:30:48,919
When you were in preschool in Florida,
who got you ready in the morning
and who took you to school?
530
00:30:48,977 --> 00:30:52,056
Mommy Renee.
531
00:30:52,121 --> 00:30:54,573
And who picked you up from school?
Mommy Renee.
532
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:57,207
And Mommy Lisa,
did she ever take you to school?
533
00:30:57,272 --> 00:30:59,223
She had to work.
534
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,130
What about when you
got home from school?
What did you do?
535
00:31:02,189 --> 00:31:06,512
Sometimes we went to the park,
536
00:31:06,571 --> 00:31:10,826
or we had a tickle fight,
or we played dress-up.
537
00:31:10,886 --> 00:31:14,809
- We? Who do you mean, honey?
- Me and Mommy Renee.
538
00:31:14,867 --> 00:31:18,220
Your Honor, we get the picture.
539
00:31:18,278 --> 00:31:22,293
Ms. Bishop was the primary caregiver,
Ms. Winslow the breadwinner.
540
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:26,215
A rather traditional arrangement
we're all familiar with.
Wrap it up, counselor
541
00:31:26,273 --> 00:31:30,755
Thank you, Sophie. You did great.
Thanks.
542
00:31:30,822 --> 00:31:34,175
Hi, Sophie
Hi.
543
00:31:35,772 --> 00:31:38,784
You love Mommy Renee, don't you?
Yes.
544
00:31:38,850 --> 00:31:42,568
- How 'bout Mommy Lisa?
- I love her too.
545
00:31:44,436 --> 00:31:48,758
- You miss her?
- A lot. She's on a trip.
546
00:31:48,817 --> 00:31:53,676
When Mommy Renee called you
just before she came to visit--
Do you remember that?
547
00:31:53,734 --> 00:31:57,658
Yes.
Did she ask you
where Mommy Lisa was?
548
00:31:57,715 --> 00:32:01,262
I told her she was at the hotel
giving a speech.
549
00:32:01,327 --> 00:32:03,278
It's her work.
550
00:32:07,649 --> 00:32:12,405
Thank you, Sophie.
Mommy Lisa's going to come home soon.
551
00:32:12,466 --> 00:32:16,355
She's going to come and get me.
552
00:32:22,902 --> 00:32:26,222
When I came out in high school,
553
00:32:26,281 --> 00:32:30,968
my father told me that
there was nothing I could do that would
ever make him stop loving me.
554
00:32:31,967 --> 00:32:36,758
But even with my parents'
love and support,
I felt completely alienated.
555
00:32:36,817 --> 00:32:40,295
I knew that I would
never get married,
556
00:32:40,362 --> 00:32:42,439
have children...
557
00:32:42,503 --> 00:32:45,046
or all the things
that straight people
take for granted.
558
00:32:45,112 --> 00:32:47,530
Continuing objection
to this line of questioning.
559
00:32:47,587 --> 00:32:50,005
Get to the heart of the matter, counselor.
560
00:32:51,802 --> 00:32:56,592
- What happened
when you met Lisa Winslow?
- We fell in love.
561
00:32:56,653 --> 00:32:59,002
I wanted to make a life with her.
562
00:32:59,061 --> 00:33:01,912
And when we adopted Sophie,
it seemed complete.
563
00:33:01,971 --> 00:33:03,922
We?
I mean Lisa.
564
00:33:03,978 --> 00:33:06,989
In Florida, gay people can't adopt,
565
00:33:07,055 --> 00:33:09,668
so to get around the law,
566
00:33:09,731 --> 00:33:12,742
Lisa adopted Sophie
as a single parent.
567
00:33:12,808 --> 00:33:15,260
She made a lot more money
than I did.
568
00:33:15,317 --> 00:33:19,069
She was a stronger applicant,
and it just--
569
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:21,274
it just made sense.
570
00:33:21,337 --> 00:33:24,793
- She said it was a formality.
- Because of the Florida law.
571
00:33:24,850 --> 00:33:29,743
- Tell us about your family life.
- Your Honor, Sophie Winslow
has already testified about this.
572
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,979
Sustained. Move on, Mr. Hobart.
573
00:33:32,041 --> 00:33:34,151
- Why did your marriage break up?
- Your Honor!
574
00:33:34,215 --> 00:33:36,599
Withdrawn.
Why did you and Lisa split up?
575
00:33:36,657 --> 00:33:39,474
Lisa left me.
576
00:33:39,534 --> 00:33:41,850
She met someone else.
577
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:44,487
I got a lawyer, but he told me
there was nothing I could do.
578
00:33:44,552 --> 00:33:46,503
I lost everything.
579
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:51,416
Renee, why did you go
to the hotel?
580
00:33:51,476 --> 00:33:54,727
I went to the hotel to talk to Lisa,
to find some way to reach her,
581
00:33:54,787 --> 00:33:56,738
to do what was best for Sophie.
582
00:33:56,794 --> 00:34:00,045
But Lisa was drunk and abusive.
583
00:34:00,105 --> 00:34:03,961
She told me that she would never
let me back into Sophie's life.
584
00:34:04,019 --> 00:34:06,437
She said that Sophie
was starting to forget me.
585
00:34:06,494 --> 00:34:10,885
What happened then after she told you
that you could never see Sophie again?
586
00:34:10,943 --> 00:34:13,794
I felt sick!
587
00:34:13,853 --> 00:34:16,670
I just went out onto the balcony
to get some air.
588
00:34:16,729 --> 00:34:19,649
I guess she followed me out there.
She was yelling.
589
00:34:19,706 --> 00:34:23,060
She was slurring her words,
the way she always did
when she got drunk.
590
00:34:23,118 --> 00:34:26,106
She was pushing at me,
and she's a lot stronger than I am,
591
00:34:26,162 --> 00:34:28,512
and she's bigger,
and I was just scared.
592
00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:31,421
I guess I just must have
pushed her back...
593
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,066
because then she just lost her balance
and she-she fell.
594
00:34:38,873 --> 00:34:41,861
Did Ms. Winslow invite you
to her hotel?
595
00:34:41,917 --> 00:34:44,700
No.
Did she even know
you were in New York?
596
00:34:45,897 --> 00:34:47,848
I don't know.
597
00:34:47,904 --> 00:34:50,915
In actuality, you went to her hotel
and ambushed her.
598
00:34:50,982 --> 00:34:53,730
No, I went to her hotel
to talk to her, period.
599
00:34:53,791 --> 00:34:58,274
When you got to her hotel,
you attacked her
and pushed her to her death.
600
00:34:58,341 --> 00:35:01,694
I didn't. She attacked me.
601
00:35:01,752 --> 00:35:04,295
She fell.
It was an accident.
602
00:35:04,362 --> 00:35:07,316
You didn't call 911
for an ambulance or the police.
603
00:35:07,372 --> 00:35:10,520
You abducted her child
and got on a bus!
604
00:35:10,583 --> 00:35:13,366
My child.
605
00:35:13,426 --> 00:35:15,433
Our child.
606
00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:19,820
I just did
what any parent would do.
607
00:35:19,882 --> 00:35:23,133
You took Sophie and ran!
Yes or no?
608
00:35:23,193 --> 00:35:26,044
How could I abduct my own child?
609
00:35:26,103 --> 00:35:30,928
If anybody is guilty
of kidnapping, it was Lisa.
610
00:35:49,049 --> 00:35:51,763
Can I get a pint, please, Marty?
611
00:35:55,572 --> 00:35:58,857
You got any kids, McCoy?
What difference does that make?
612
00:35:58,917 --> 00:36:01,598
If somebody tried to take them,
what would you do?
613
00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:05,173
Fight like hell, within the strictures
of the law.
614
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,250
That's easy for you to say.
The laws are all on your side.
615
00:36:08,316 --> 00:36:11,966
Even divorced, you don't lose
your status as a father.
616
00:36:12,028 --> 00:36:15,245
A crackhead who sells his daughter for $10
has a chance of getting her back.
617
00:36:15,307 --> 00:36:17,257
Renee had nothing.
618
00:36:17,313 --> 00:36:22,503
Should Renee Bishop be able
to adopt a child with her lover,
get married, raise a family?
619
00:36:22,565 --> 00:36:25,713
Questions for other courts
on other days, Mr. Hobart.
620
00:36:25,776 --> 00:36:29,198
That day is coming... soon.
621
00:36:29,255 --> 00:36:33,942
Offer stands.
She can shave 10 years
off her sentence.
622
00:36:34,005 --> 00:36:36,183
She won't go for it.
623
00:36:36,246 --> 00:36:39,063
She'll try anything
to stay in her daughter's life.
624
00:36:39,122 --> 00:36:43,947
You're banking on the hope
there's a gay person on that jury.
625
00:36:45,310 --> 00:36:47,660
I'm banking there's a parent.
626
00:36:55,780 --> 00:36:59,795
This isn't about gay or straight.
This isn't even about murder.
627
00:36:59,861 --> 00:37:01,868
There was no murder here.
628
00:37:01,935 --> 00:37:05,083
This is about a tragic accident...
629
00:37:05,146 --> 00:37:08,294
arising from a tragic situation...
630
00:37:08,357 --> 00:37:12,748
created by an unfeeling partner
and an unfair law.
631
00:37:12,806 --> 00:37:16,696
Most of all,
this is about a parent, a mother...
632
00:37:16,753 --> 00:37:19,833
whose child was taken from her.
633
00:37:19,897 --> 00:37:23,284
Renee Bishop didn't come to New York
to kill Lisa Winslow.
634
00:37:23,342 --> 00:37:25,760
She came to talk to her,
to reason with her,
635
00:37:25,817 --> 00:37:27,768
to plead with her.
636
00:37:27,824 --> 00:37:31,178
She came to see her daughter,
their daughter
637
00:37:31,237 --> 00:37:34,853
But Lisa Winslow
didn't want to talk or listen.
638
00:37:34,916 --> 00:37:37,493
She was drunk and angry.
639
00:37:37,558 --> 00:37:39,703
She attacked Renee Bishop.
640
00:37:39,766 --> 00:37:42,116
Renee Bishop did not act
except in defense...
641
00:37:42,175 --> 00:37:44,787
of herself and of her child.
642
00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:46,801
Make no mistake.
643
00:37:46,857 --> 00:37:49,708
There was no crime.
644
00:37:49,767 --> 00:37:52,618
No murder on the balcony
that night.
645
00:37:52,678 --> 00:37:55,062
Only a tragedy
646
00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:05,222
Of course, Renee Bishop
is Sophie Winslow's mother...
647
00:38:05,288 --> 00:38:08,938
in every sense of the word
that matters,
648
00:38:09,001 --> 00:38:12,959
but so was Lisa Winslow.
649
00:38:13,015 --> 00:38:18,033
And what kind of parent kills
her child's other parent?
650
00:38:20,808 --> 00:38:24,195
Mr. Hobart reminds you
of the bond...
651
00:38:24,253 --> 00:38:27,208
between Renee Bishop
and Sophie Winslow,
652
00:38:27,264 --> 00:38:29,945
but he wants you
to forget the bond.
653
00:38:30,007 --> 00:38:32,185
Between Sophie and Lisa,
654
00:38:32,248 --> 00:38:36,365
the woman who adopted her
and loved her...
655
00:38:36,429 --> 00:38:39,850
as much as Renee Bishop does.
656
00:38:39,907 --> 00:38:42,416
This case is not about
who's the better mother...
657
00:38:42,483 --> 00:38:44,560
or about a law.
658
00:38:44,624 --> 00:38:48,605
which may well be antiquated
and unfair.
659
00:38:48,671 --> 00:38:52,355
It's not about
what Renee Bishop suffered,
660
00:38:54,826 --> 00:38:58,077
but about what Renee Bishop did.
661
00:38:59,609 --> 00:39:03,795
And what she did
was kill Lisa Winslow,
662
00:39:05,262 --> 00:39:08,946
and that law which she violated...
663
00:39:09,008 --> 00:39:13,023
is as sure and certain...
664
00:39:13,089 --> 00:39:15,701
as the evidence...
665
00:39:15,765 --> 00:39:17,771
is conclusive!
666
00:39:21,016 --> 00:39:24,701
As much as you might
empathize with her plight,
667
00:39:26,436 --> 00:39:30,360
you must return a verdict of guilty
against Renee Bishop.
668
00:39:41,922 --> 00:39:44,603
As to the first count
of the indictment,
669
00:39:44,665 --> 00:39:47,813
murder in the second degree,
how do you find?
670
00:39:47,876 --> 00:39:51,127
We find the defendant, Renee Bishop,
guilty as charged.
671
00:39:51,188 --> 00:39:53,903
As to the second count,
672
00:39:53,964 --> 00:39:56,176
kidnapping
in the second degree?
673
00:39:56,238 --> 00:39:59,021
We find the defendant
guilty as charged.
674
00:39:59,081 --> 00:40:03,198
The jury is dismissed
with the thanks of the court.
Short date for sentence.
675
00:40:11,257 --> 00:40:13,607
Come on, ma'am.
Let's go.
676
00:40:21,928 --> 00:40:25,943
You win some, you win some.
I'm comfortable with the outcome.
677
00:40:26,009 --> 00:40:29,464
Which would have been the same
if they'd been heterosexual.
678
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,806
But would any of this have happened
if they'd been allowed to adopt
as a married couple?
679
00:40:32,866 --> 00:40:36,652
They knew the law in Florida.
If they didn't like it, they could have
moved to another state.
680
00:40:36,712 --> 00:40:39,221
I knew we weren't
on the same side of this.
681
00:40:39,287 --> 00:40:41,637
I say, let them marry.
682
00:40:41,695 --> 00:40:45,049
Why shouldn't they be
as miserable as the rest of us?