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>> Hope: So, uh...
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You heard?
>> Liam: About Thomas
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leaving town?
Yeah.
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>> Hope: So what, did you come
to celebrate?
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Say I told you so?
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>> Finn: Gotta be a rough time
for Hope.
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Not only did your brother leave
town, but he took Douglas
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with him.
>> Steffy: It's what Douglas
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wanted, to be with his dad.
It was his choice.
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>> Finn: But even so, we know
how much Hope loves Douglas.
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It must've been a real blow
for her.
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>> Steffy: Okay, babe, I know we
may not see eye to eye on this,
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but Hope is not a victim here.
She's another Logan,
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who's caused countless heartache
in my family.
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>> Luna: Oh, my God!
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What happened?
What-- what am I doing here?
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>> Zende: That's what I asked
myself when you surprised
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me here last night.
>> RJ: Hey, told you she'd be
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in here hard at work, of course.
Hi.
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>> Luna: Hi.
>> Zende: Hey, Luna.
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So, uh, have you heard
the latest?
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>> Luna: About?
>> Zende: Thomas.
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>> RJ: He, uh, left on a plane
to Paris last night.
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>> Luna: Oh, like a last minute
business trip?
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>> RJ: So, apparently,
Thomas proposed to Hope.
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Again.
And, um, she still couldn't
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accept, and that was the final
straw for Thomas, so he just
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told her he was going away.
And then he decided to take
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Douglas with him.
>> Zende: And off they went.
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>> Luna: Is Hope okay
with all of this?
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>> RJ: Uh, no.
No, she's not okay with any
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of it.
But, I mean, you can't blame
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her. I mean, she just wasn't
ready to marry the guy, and...
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Anyway, how this affects you is
that it does change things
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around here.
Um, especially where my
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sister's line's concerned.
>> Zende: Thomas has bowed out
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completely.
He will no longer be working on
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Hope for the Future.
>> Luna: This is crazy.
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What does this mean for the
line, then?
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>> RJ: It means that we all have
to step up, in Thomas's absence,
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for Hope.
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>> Hope: All right, go ahead.
Do your little victory dance.
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>> Liam: I didn't come here
to gloat.
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>> Hope: Oh.
Well, then, a lecture?
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I mean, it's only fair that you
have your shot, too.
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I mean, I have been read
The Riot Act by Steffy.
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>> Finn: Do you really need to
make this about the
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Forresters versus the Logans?
>> Steffy: You haven't lived it
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the way my family and I have.
I mean, the Logans, they would
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relentlessly try to tear my
family apart, and now Hope is
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following in Brooke's
footsteps.
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>> Finn: You don't think you're
exaggerating just a little bit?
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>> Steffy: No, I do not.
Not after everything Hope has
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done to Thomas.
I mean, she's been laser
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focused on him.
She had him designing
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for her line.
And she knew that he was crazy
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about her, that he was in love
with her, but she didn't care.
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She led him on.
She played with his emotions.
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I mean, Hope is not the
innocent girl she once was.
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>> Luna: God, I really hate this
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for Hope.
>> RJ: Yeah, we all do.
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>> Luna: I mean, there's no way
that they could just somehow
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work it out.
>> RJ: Well, Hope wanted to.
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I mean, she still loves him.
She just wasn't ready to get
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married to him, but apparently
it was all or nothing
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for Thomas.
>> Zende: If Hope couldn't
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commit, Thomas wasn't gonna hang
around hoping that she might
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change her mind one day.
>> Luna: Yeah, I mean, I guess
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I can see his point.
>> Zende: Yeah, me too.
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It's hard when you care about
someone, but they can't give
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themselves to you in the way
that you'd like them to.
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>> RJ: Well, I'm sure Hope
had her reasons.
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I mean, I'm sure they were
very good ones.
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>> Zende: They just weren't
good enough for Thomas.
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>> Luna: Well, hey, I'm sorry
for the way things ended,
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but I don't know, maybe with
a little time and distance?
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>> Zende: Absence makes
the heart grow fonder.
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>> Luna: I'm being a hopeless
romantic, aren't I?
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>> RJ: No, there's nothing wrong
with that.
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But I do think, though, for
Thomas and Hope, they're--
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they're done.
>> Luna: Okay, well, what about
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Douglas?
I mean, is he gonna stay with
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Thomas indefinitely or is he
gonna come back and stay
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with Hope?
>> Zende: I think he wants
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to be with his dad.
>> RJ: Anyway, it's all the more
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reason that we need to get
behind Hope and support her
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right now.
>> Liam: You really think, uh,
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that's why I'm here,
that's why I came?
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Just to rub it in?
>> Hope: Mm-hmm.
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Well, Steffy's had her turn,
so it's only fair.
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Go ahead.
Let's hear it.
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>> Liam: We may not be married
anymore, but I don't
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particularly get off on watching
you hurt, either.
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>> Hope: Well,
it's a little late for that.
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>> Liam: Yeah, well, that's on
Thomas and his, uh,
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expectations.
Unrealistic ones,
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as it turns out.
>> Hope: Yeah, I just, um,
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wasn't ready to accept
a proposal just yet.
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>> Liam: And he should've
understood that.
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You've literally done nothing
to feel guilty about here.
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>> Hope: I did hurt him, Liam.
And now he wants nothing to do
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with me, and he has taken
Douglas with him.
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>> Liam: Yeah, that, um,
that part had to hurt.
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>> Hope: You know how much
I love Douglas.
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I've been his mother since he
was little, and even though I
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am not his birth mother, he is
my son in all of the ways
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that count.
And it certainly wasn't the
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goodbye that I wanted.
>> Liam: Yeah, because his
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father whisked him away,
basically in the middle
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of the night.
>> Hope: I don't think Thomas
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would've done that if it weren't
for Steffy.
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I mean, she is behind
all of this.
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>> Liam: Why-- How--
Why do you think that?
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>> Hope: Liam, she told me
to my face.
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She claims she's just looking
out for her brother,
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but really, we know the truth.
Just like you.
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She has, um,
never really wanted
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Thomas and me together.
And now she has made certain
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that that will never happen
ever again.
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>> Liam: You-- you think
this is all Steffy's doing?
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>> Hope: No, not all of it.
I did break Thomas' heart.
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I did.
But Steffy has certainly made
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the situation worse.
>> Steffy: Thomas used to be
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obsessed with Hope,
but he turned his life around.
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I mean, he completely
redefined himself, his life.
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Like, he's a--
he's a good person.
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He's a wonderful father,
an exceptional designer.
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I mean, the only thing he
really wanted was Hope.
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He wanted Hope to love him.
And what does she do?
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She leaves him heartbroken.
>> Finn: It sounds like
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Hope's heartbroken, too.
>> Steffy: She brought this
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on herself.
She ruined things with Liam.
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She destroyed things
with-- with Thomas.
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You shouldn't feel sorry
for her.
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No one should.
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>> Zende: Thomas totally got
Hope's vision.
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I've never seen two people
more in sync,
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professionally speaking.
The good news is, Hope has a
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supportive team in place.
People ready to step up.
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>> RJ: Yeah, like Zende and me.
And you know, I know we've had
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our issues, but, uh, I think
this is gonna be good for us.
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I think it'll bring us closer
together.
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>> Zende: That's a nice thought,
cuz.
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>> Luna: And look,
I'll pitch in, too.
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You know, whatever Hope wants
or whatever she needs.
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>> RJ: Yeah, that'd be great.
I'm sure she'd love that and
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Zende would appreciate it, too.
>> Zende: Come again.
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>> RJ: Well, I mean, you haven't
really gotten a chance to work
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with Luna and see how
professional and talented
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she is.
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>> Liam: I was, uh,
hoping it wouldn't get to
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this point between you
and Steffy again.
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>> Hope: Well, it wouldn't have
if Steffy didn't go on the
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offensive for her brother.
>> Liam: Yeah, why--
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why is that surprising?
Steffy's always been hyper
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protective of Thomas.
>> Hope: I'm so tired of hearing
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that get thrown around as if
it's some sort of excuse,
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like it justifies her behavior.
And, Liam, you should've heard
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the things that she was saying
to me.
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It was like it didn't even cross
her mind that she was destroying
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a family.
It didn't matter to her.
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As long as I was out of Thomas'
life, if Douglas is collateral
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damage, well then so be it.
>> Liam: Oh, well, come on.
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I mean, I-- I--
I know that you're upset.
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>> Hope: Oh no, I-- I am upset,
Liam.
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I am.
The breakup with Thomas was
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hard enough, but for Steffy
to play chess with my family?
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To involve Douglas? That...
That is a step too far.
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Liam, he was heartbroken.
He was saying things like,
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"Why aren't Daddy and I enough?"
Like,
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do you not love us enough?
>> Liam: Oh.
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>> Hope: Yeah.
>> Liam: I'm sorry.
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>> Hope: I am, I'm sorry too.
I just-- I would've given
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anything to have spared
Douglas that.
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>> Liam: Just give him time.
He loves you.
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>> Hope: I love him too.
Oh, I just wish Thomas had
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taken some time to have,
you know, thought about
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everything a little more
before he left.
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But, you know, Steffy just had
to stir things up
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and destroy what we had.
Look, Liam, I know that you
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don't want to believe it and
you don't think it's true,
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probably, but...
Steffy is responsible
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for a lot of this.
Thomas and Douglas,
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they would still be here
if Steffy hadn't
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gotten involved.
>> Finn: Look, I know that
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you've been going through a lot
lately, but don't you think
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you're being a little harsh?
>> Steffy: Why?
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Because Hope's some sweet,
innocent chick?
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She hasn't done anything bad
in her life?
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No, things turned for her the
moment she put my brother
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through hell.
>> Finn: Babe, just listen,
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okay?
I know that you're hurting for
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Thomas, but let's not--
>> Steffy: what are we talking
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about? She manipulated him.
That's extremely cruel.
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She played with his emotions.
Like, I don't know if she was
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doing it to get back at me
or my family, like...
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I-- I wouldn't put it past her.
But, you know, kids were
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involved, like Douglas.
Douglas had his hopes up
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and so did Thomas.
He thought they were gonna be
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a family, but she wasn't
gonna commit.
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No, she was just leading him on.
>> Finn: Look, I understand that
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your relationship with Hope has
been long and complicated
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and often unpleasant.
I'm just saying that I don't
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think you can put all of the
blame on Hope.
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♪♪♪
>> Zende: I already know
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how amazing Luna is.
Everyone at Forrester does.
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She's made a name for herself
here in quite a short period
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of time.
So, it would be my pleasure
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working more closely with Luna.
♪♪♪
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>> Hope: I realize that if I had
just accepted Thomas' proposal,
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that things would be very
different right now.
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Thomas knew where my head
was at.
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We were on the same page.
Until Steffy got in her
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brother's head and just told
him I was using him.
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Told him that I was just
another trashy Logan and
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refused to see what was
actually there between me
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and her brother.
How much I loved him.
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Which, I-- I know you don't
want to hear that.
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>> Liam: Sure don't.
>> Hope: It's true, Liam.
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I do love Thomas.
I mean, would we have
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gotten married?
I don't know.
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I don't have a crystal ball,
but we never really had a fair
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chance to find out.
No, Steffy just did everything
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in her power to undermine me,
to her brother, to pollute his
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opinion of me, to make it
Forrester versus Logan all over
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again, so it's been real fun in
this workplace recently.
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I'm sorry.
This was, uh,
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quite a bit of an overshare.
>> Liam: It's all right.
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You're going through a lot.
If you, uh,
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if need a little more help
with Beth going forward,
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I'll be around.
I'm not gonna lie, uh...
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And I'm not going to pretend I'm
not relieved that Thomas is out
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of your and our daughter's life.
And I-- You know what?
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I'm gonna go out on a limb
and I'm going to say that, uh,
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I think you'll find this is
a good thing in the end.
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I really do.
I think, you know, and who
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knows, maybe, um,
there's someone else out there,
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another man
comes into your life who's, uh,
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well, worth saying yes to.
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>> Finn: You getting all wound
up over this, it's just--
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It's not good for you.
Okay, babe?
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And putting all this on Hope,
I mean, maybe just--
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maybe try feeling for her
a little bit.
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>> Steffy: Feel for her?
Finn, come on.
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>> Finn: I mean, Hope, she's had
her own challenges too.
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I mean, Liam dumps her and
she's just trying to find her
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way and figure her life out.
>> Steffy: She wasn't dumped
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by Liam.
She chased after Thomas in Rome.
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She kissed Thomas.
>> Finn: Okay, yes, but all I'm
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saying is just maybe try to have
a little compassion, okay?
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So this doesn't escalate and
spiral out of control.
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>> Steffy: Well, Hope did say
because I was interfering
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in their relationship that, uh,
I'm gonna regret it.
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>> Finn: Did Hope threaten you?
>> Steffy: Yeah, I'm not--
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I'm not worried about that.
But I don't like you
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defending her.
>> Finn: I'm not defending her.
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Okay, you are my wife, okay?
You come first,
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you always will.
I'm just saying she is
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obviously lost, okay?
And part of me feels for her now
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in that way.
>> Steffy: Okay, I mean, like,
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that I get. Like,
you're always trying to find
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the best in someone and that's--
that's really sweet
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and I love that about you.
So, let's not let Hope or Thomas
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or Sheila's death get in
between us, okay?
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>> Finn: No.
>> Steffy: What's important
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is our love for each other
and our family.
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That's what matters, okay?
Always.
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