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Kevin:
Today on "This Old House"...

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Richard: Even with
our new addition,

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we're reusing the
existing HVAC system,

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but we're adding
some strategic ductwork.

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Charlie:
Then we're going to show
you which insulation we're using

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on our roof system and why.

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Tom: And we're getting
back to the basics --

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installing a new double-hung
window into an existing opening.

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Kevin: Hey there.
I'm Kevin O'Connor,

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and welcome back
to "This Old House,"

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where we are working
on a project right near

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downtown Needham, Massachusetts.

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It was built in the late 1800s,

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originally about
3,000 square feet in total.

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But now it is up to
3,600 square ft,

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thanks to a small addition
off of the back

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that goes from the basement
up to the second level.

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All of the window openings
are covered,

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but new windows are on their way
and they should be in soon.

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Let's have a look at the inside.

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Through the front door you enter
into what was the old parlor.

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This room stays
pretty much unchanged

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except for new wood floors
throughout.

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But then as you enter this part
of the house, lots of changes.

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So this was the old family room.

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It's going to be
the new dining room.

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We're going to keep
the original built-ins,

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and then we've got
another built-in in this cavity,

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and we'll back up
to a gas fireplace

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that goes into this cavity
right here.

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That's a nice touch
because we get a fireplace,

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but it also allowed Charlie and
Mark to take down the old one.

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Look at all the real estate
we picked up.

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This is the outline
of the old fireplace.

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With that gone,

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we get a nice big wide entry
to the main event.

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What was the old dining room is
now an expansive family room

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with the bay windows here
that were original,

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but also more glass
off the back of the house.

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So the original house ends
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and this is the addition
that I was talking about,

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which gives us sliding
glass doors out to a back deck,

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but also more interior space,

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so a proper back entryway
into a mudroom

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with a half bath right there.

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And because everyone loves
the open floor plan,

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this big family room
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what's going to be
a new kitchen.

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And that is thanks
to a 24-foot I-beam that went in

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and allowed us to take
down this wall right here.

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So the layout will be
we'll have the countertops

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and appliances back there.

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Behind that wall
will be a pantry,

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and then there's going to be
a big island right in this space

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to connect kitchen
to family room

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and to give us that
big open floor plan.

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Entryway down to the basement
stays the same,

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and stairs to the second floor
stay the same.

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Like the first floor, our second
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Let me give you
a little lay of the land.

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So, there's a new primary suite
over here in this corner

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with some extra space
thanks to that addition.

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That gives us a new full bath
out back.

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Uh, and then Liz's closet
goes right here.

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Patrick's closet goes
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So that's nice.

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The boys' bedrooms have
been slightly reconfigured,

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and they're going to get a new
shared full bath right here.

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But in the primary bedroom,

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things stay pretty much
the same?

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Richard: Sort of.
Kevin: Oh, no.

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Richard:
A few minor changes.

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So one thing
I love about this project is,

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for the first time
in a long time on our show,

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we are not ripping out

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and blowing up
the entire HVAC system.

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Kevin: Nice.
And how can we do that?

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Richard: Well, it has a
relatively new system installed,

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10 or 15 years old.

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It already has two zones.
It's really efficient.

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Kevin: Nice.
Richard: And even though

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we're making the building
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we're insulating
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so we don't need
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Kevin: Perfect.
Richard: So it does mean

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that we have a chance, though,
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of the minor ductwork issues
that might exist.

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Kevin: Okay.
Richard: Alright.

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One is right here
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Kevin: Yeah.
This is a weird spot.

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I mean, right in the doorway
and the only one?

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Richard: Well, it wasn't weird
when this house was first built.

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Think about it.
It was a gravity system.

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It would have been coal fired.
No fan, no electricity.

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So the ductwork run
would have been as straight

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as it could from the basement.

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And then it came up,
and it just filled this place.

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There was no air conditioning
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But now as we're adding
more load and we have a fan,

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now we have to think about
when this thing comes on,

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now it could get
actually pulled into the return

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and not go and fill this room.
Kevin: So originally okay,

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but with a system
under pressure, no good.

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Richard: That's right.

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So it invited us
to think about relocating it.

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And we found some real estate
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so we could find a way to get a
new supply right here...

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Kevin: Yeah?
Richard: ...and then
another one right here

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where we're going to
come up here.

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So now you've got a
much better air delivery system

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and abandon that one, okay?
Kevin: Very nice.

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Richard:
So too in the baby's room.

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We found a similar situation.

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You can see
the original register right here

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where it really
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but perfect back
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So we found a way
to actually come up below us

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and in a joist bay right here,

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end up with a new supply
register exactly

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where it wants to be --
against the outside wall

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where the heat loss is
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just like in the primary.
Kevin: Very nice. Okay.

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Richard: The HVAC subs are here,
and they are underway.

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So here in the first floor,
Kevin, you can look up

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and see where the duct
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And this thing came up here.

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It was covered in asbestos,

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so we knew we had to modify
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And we also had all this chimney
mass and that got changed.

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Kevin: Although,
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that's a pretty good place

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to run ductwork
for a gravity system, right?

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I mean, right next
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Richard: Shortest distance
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Kevin: Okay.
Richard: So with all
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though, we found a way
that we could hide the ductwork.

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Mike's underway right here
running that new supply

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here in that corner up
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of that primary bedroom
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Kevin: So from the basement.

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Kind of ironic that he's putting
it next to our gas fireplace.

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So similar idea to...

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Richard: And then James is
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Hey, James.
James: Hey, Richard.
How are you?

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Richard: So you're hiding it
in the corner?

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James:
Yeah, so Charlie's guys cut us
a chase up in the bookcase

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to get the duct up
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Kevin: Okay.
James: So we have
three options of ducts here.

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We can go round,
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Kevin: Rectangle. Obviously.
It's going to fit better.

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James: Most people would choose
the oval or the rectangular

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to save on space,

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but the correct is
actually the round.

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This is going to give us
the best airflow

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for the performance upstairs,
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The oval is actually about
a 20% to 25% airflow restriction

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compared to the round.
Kevin: No, no, no, no, no.

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If I squeeze this and make it
an oval, they're the same pipe.

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Richard: If I squeeze a hose,
a garden hose,

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I'm not really changing
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but I am providing some
restriction and more friction.

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And that's exactly
what happens here.

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Kevin: So shape matters?
James: Exactly. Yep.

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Kevin: I would just figure
it was like a volume thing.

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James: And then
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this is about a 40%
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Richard: So there's a chance
you might need two of these

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Kevin: When I look at those two
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it's inconceivable to think

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that that delivers less air
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Richard: That's right.
Kevin: Oh, my gosh.

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Richard:
It's about the friction.

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And they'll hide that.
They'll make that go away.

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Thank you, James.
James: Thank you.

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Richard: And over here is where
they'll lose the ductwork

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for the baby's room right here.

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Again in the corner
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there's the vertical.

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If you look,
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They'll be able to run
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all the way to that corner.

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Kevin: And then
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and you hardly know it's there,

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and it's a good compromise
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Richard: That's right.

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And they'll be done with
all this rough-in today.

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Hey, Charlie.

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Charlie: Hey, Kevin.
Kevin: So it's HVAC day.

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We're working
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We're doing duct work
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They've got an air handler
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and I'm told another one
is up here.
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you walked right under the
scuttle hole to get up there.

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Kevin: Oh, boy.
I see an uninsulated roof.

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Charlie: HVAC system
lives up there.

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2x6 rough framing,
no insulation.

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Kevin: So that thing
must be working like crazy.

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It gets so hot up there
in an attic.

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Charlie: Richard went up there
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and it was 120 degrees
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Kevin: Insane.

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Charlie: But remember,
wintertime, in the reverse.

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It's freezing up there.
Kevin: Yeah.

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Charlie:
So that's working overtime...

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Kevin: All year.
Charlie: ...all year.

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Kevin: So at some point, they
turned us into finished space.

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This is
why we got all the walls up.

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But they also added HVAC...
Charlie: That's right.

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Kevin: ...and didn't put
insulation up there?

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Charlie: I know.
It's crazy, right?

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But, I mean, they insulated
above the ceiling...
Kevin: Right.

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Charlie:
...and they continued it
right down this roof line here.

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Kevin: Okay. So you're obviously
going to fix that for us.

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Charlie: We are.
Kevin: So what are you thinking?

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Charlie: So we have a few
different samples right here.

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So this is a open-cell
spray foam, right?

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Kevin: So you spray it in,
it expands,

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and you get what from it?

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Charlie: So this is about 3,
3.5 per inch for an R-value,

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but vapor does travel
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Kevin: Hence the name open-cell.

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Charlie: That's right.
Kevin: Yeah.

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Charlie: So we have
a closed-cell foam,

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about double the R-value,

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so it's at least
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Kevin: Yeah.
Charlie: ...and the vapor

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does not travel through it.
Kevin: Okay. Yeah.

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Charlie: And there's
a dense-pack cellulose here

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which is
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Fiberglass is about the same,

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and that's what we have here
above us in the ceiling.

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Kevin: Okay. So that's what
we've got in the ceiling.

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Nothing on the underside
of the roof.

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What do you want to do to get
your R-value and insulate that?

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Charlie: Well, because we have
the 5.5-inch old rafters...

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Kevin: Which isn't much.
Charlie: ...which isn't much,

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and we have to contend with our
energy code, our HERS rating,

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so we also have to meet
that standard.

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So I want to use
a closed-cell foam starting

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putting a continuous head
of insulation

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right over the entire
HVAC system.

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But I don't want to
just spray down closed-cell foam

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to any fiberglass
that was in this ceiling.

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Kevin: So this is what came out
right here,

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which is actually pretty deep.

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So how's that -- Oh, yeah.
Charlie: Yeah.

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So whenever they renovated
and did work here,

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they put 2x10s, which was great,

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and they put the 10 inches
of insulation in here.

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Kevin: Were you surprised
to see that?

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Charlie: I was surprised
because when I was up

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in the attic looking down,
I couldn't see any sign of this.

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So, I mean,
they did the right thing.

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They threw it down 2x10.

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They got extra insulation
in here...
Kevin: Yeah.

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Charlie: ...but once again,
they failed up top right.
Kevin: Right.

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Charlie: That system is run--
you know, really working
overtime.

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I said, "We're gonna
insulate that properly.

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Let's just put a slice
through here.

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It's one big patch.

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We're gonna patch it in
once we're done."

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But I pulled the fiberglass out.
Now then they spray foam.

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They can reach up, spray
right down through here,

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spray right down here.

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And then this is a knee wall
that we have,

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but we have access
on the other side.

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We'll get in behind there,

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pull any of the fiberglass out

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and we'll continue that
closed-cell foam right down,

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giving us our insulated hat.

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Kevin: So you get
a continuous vapor barrier.

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You get more R per inch.
We like all of that.

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This is gonna help
you meet your total score

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for that energy rating.
Charlie: It's going to help us.

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I bet you it puts us over,
which is great.

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Kevin: Love it.
Let me just challenge you here.

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Some people, they just don't
like foam.

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Charlie: Correct.
Kevin: For whatever reason,

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they're just like, "I don't want
foam in the house," which I get.

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Could you get this solved
with the alternatives?

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Charlie: I could solve it
with any of the insulations.

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It would definitely
be more work to do.

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But remember, this is not
a gut renovation or, of course,

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a new house where it makes
it easier to insulate

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with other insulations.
Kevin: Right.

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Charlie: In this case,
I have to make sure

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I hit every nook and cranny
with a vapor barrier protection,

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and I couldn't sit there
and promise you that.

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Kevin: Right.
And if we didn't use this

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with that really high R rating,

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you've got to hit that number
for the energy code.

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Charlie: That's right.
Kevin: If you don't hit it here,

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or I should say if you don't
maximize your insulation here,

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what happens to that number?
Charlie: Well, a lot of times,

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let's say I could only do half
for whatever the reason is,

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I might have to overcompensate
somewhere else.

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Might be they might say, "I want
you to change your HVAC system.

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That's not quite efficient
enough for us,

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so we're going to force you
to change that."

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Well, if I insulate, that's
not going to work as hard.

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So dollar-wise, it's cheaper.
Kevin: So that's the solution.

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Alright. Sounds good.

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And, hey, listen,
don't sell yourself short.

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You've been overcompensating
the entire time I've known you.

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Charlie: Alright.
It's fair to say.

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Kevin: [ Chuckles ]

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♪♪

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Well, the rain has started,
but that's not a problem, Tommy,

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because we're starting
to install our new windows

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so we can get
the house weather-tight.

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Tom: Right.
Kevin: Uh, process? Product?

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What are we putting in?
Tom: Well, we're installing

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this new
energy-efficient window.

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Those are 15 lites
over 1 lite,

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and it's simulated divided lite,

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which means the divider between
each one of these muntins

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on the inside and outside.

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So when you look diagonally
at the window,

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you can't see
through the muntins.

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Kevin: Okay.

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Going into an existing opening

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where we took out
the old windows.

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Tom: Right.
Now, under the porch here,

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this doesn't really
need to be flashed like

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we would do normally,

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but it's good practice
to always do them right.

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Now, the siding on the porch
is stained.

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The rest of the new house
has got new siding,

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so now we have to think about
how we flash the window casing

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when it meets the siding here.

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And this wasn't flashed at all.

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I can see that there's
a house wrap in there.

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There's no way that you can stop
water from wind-driven rain

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to get in there when this board
expands and contracts this way.

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If this joint opens up
just the hair

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or if the rain's really driving,

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the water will go in there,
run down.

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It'll actually rot
the wall right here.

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I've seen it many times.
Rotting wall, rotting sill.

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They blame it on the window.

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It should be blamed
on the flashing.

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Kevin: So we got to get
a good backer behind casing

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and the siding right there?
Tom: Right.

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And, uh, we got --
we have to basically think about

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how we're going to do it.

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So what I did is I cut
a slot behind here,

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basically cut all the nails
in as far as I could

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so I could take a piece
of felt paper like this

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and slide it in behind this
joint, go right up the wall.

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So now when my casing goes on,
this joint is basically flashed.

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Kevin: Okay.
Tom: Alright?

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So now if water migrates through
there, it's gonna come down,

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run out here,
and onto the siding.

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Kevin: Alright. And then
in terms of the opening,

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um, it looks like it's packed
out a little bit.

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But then on the bottom
right here, you got a clapboard.

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Tom: Clapboards
work out beautiful

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'cause they're thick
on the bottom

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and narrow on the top.

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So you take that clapboard,
you turn it, lay it down.

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You have a natural pitch.

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You want that condensation
to be able to drip down

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and come out and run
onto the face of this clapboard,

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not behind the clapboard.

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Kevin: So that's our pitch.
What about flashing this part?

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Tom: We're going to use
a flashing that is stretchable.

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So what we want to do is we want
to take off some of the backing

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right here,
but just the wide part

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and leave on the narrow part.

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So I'm going to take it,

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I'm going to peel it
back just a little.

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Keep it even on the inside.

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You know,
right down like that.

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Get it on there.

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Now I can stretch it
right around.

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Kevin: So I remember the
dozens and thousands of times

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that you've taught me
how to cut the old stuff

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when wasn't stretchy.
Tom: Oh, yeah.

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Kevin: Making those little cuts
so we can fold it over.

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Tom: Yeah, if you flash it
right, it's not going to leak.

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But this takes the guesswork
out of it.

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Kevin: There you go.

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Tom:
Before we put the window in,

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we're going to run a thin bead
right around the opening,

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across the top and down the two
sides just to help air seal it.

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And we want to make sure
that we use a caulking

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that doesn't react with the oil
that's in the felt paper,

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because it will cause the felt
paper to break down over time.

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Alright,
so now what we're going to do

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is check the existing sill
to make sure it's level.

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So I can't get the level
between there,

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so hold that one like that.

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These are our shims.

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Put this like this.

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We have the thin side
sticking out.

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Put the level on there
right against the opening.

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Kevin: Look at you.
Tom: Okay.

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Now I'll just tack this
in place.

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Tack that one.

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We don't want the shim
to be in the way,

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so I'm gonna cut it back.

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On the interior,
we have to think about

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the bookcases on each side,
so we want to make sure

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that the window is centered
into the bookcases.

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So we have a center line
on our window.

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We'll match that up with
the center line on the header,

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and the window will
be centered in the opening.

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Eyeball the bottom
into the center.

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Right, now, are you good?
Kevin: Good.

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Tom: Let's push it in.

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Set it in place.
Alright.

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Can I trust you to go inside
and line up those two lines?

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Kevin: I could do that for you.
Tom: Okay, good.

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Kevin: Right there.

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Tom: Alright.
I'm going to tack it.

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Alright.

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Trying to make the window plumb.

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Oh, yeah. Right on the button.

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♪♪

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If the numbers match,

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window is square, level,
and plumb.

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Now we just nail it off using
a galvanized roofing nail.

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♪♪

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So we just put a couple
of nails on the bottom.

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♪♪

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Kevin: Okay, Tommy.
Looks pretty good to my eye.

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What do you think?
Tom: I think it looks great.

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And I think
it's going to look even better

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when they get the new casing on.

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Kevin: Alright,
so one in, a couple more to go.

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I've got to excuse myself and
help Charlie inside, alright?

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Tom: Okay. He's got
a good problem in there.

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Kevin: [ Chuckles ]
"A good problem."

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Tom: Good luck with that.
Kevin: So to the right side

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of the front door,

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we've got this
three-window bay right here,

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and each one of these openings
is gonna get

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another new window like that.

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But as you come inside,

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we've got another thing going on
with this bay, Charlie.

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The first time I got here,

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Liz was showing us
how this sort of slopes

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away from the main floor.
Charlie: Yeah.

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So if you just stick
this level here

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and really just hold it flat...

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see that there?
Kevin: Oh, yeah.

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Charlie: It's about a half inch.
Kevin: 100%. Right.

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So, I mean, when
you guys pulled up the floor,

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I saw this line here.

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You didn't do this, right?

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This was existing?
Charlie: Yeah.

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This is the foundation
in the house right now,

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and that's where it falls,

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and here's the sill sitting
on the foundation.

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Kevin: Foundation ends here.
Charlie: It ends here.

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So they didn't follow this bay.

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Some people think that, oh,
maybe this was added afterwards.

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I don't, 'cause here's our old
framing that comes right out.

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And I'm sure what
they did was they took a couple

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of big flat rocks
like we've seen in the past,

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and put them under
where the two windows in the bay

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intersect on both sides.

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And I'm sure they had
posts there

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and that's
how it was stabilized.

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Kevin: Okay.
Charlie: But over time,
it's settled.

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And when this deck
was rebuilt years ago,

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00:20:07,266 --> 00:20:08,833
they took out those

480
00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:12,733
and stabilized it by putting new
concrete footings in and posts.

481
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,100
So this isn't going anywhere.

482
00:20:14,166 --> 00:20:15,833
It is stable where it is.

483
00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:16,966
Kevin: So do we need
to jack it or anything?

484
00:20:17,033 --> 00:20:18,233
Charlie: We don't.

485
00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:19,466
So, what I think we're gonna do

486
00:20:19,533 --> 00:20:21,733
is just continue
pulling out all the boards,

487
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,266
and then we're gonna shim
as needed

488
00:20:23,333 --> 00:20:26,266
on each existing floor joist
right down to zero.

489
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:30,966
Perfect.

490
00:20:32,833 --> 00:20:35,100
This ledge here is extending
our floor joists,

491
00:20:35,166 --> 00:20:38,066
and it's at the same height
as the old one was.

492
00:20:38,133 --> 00:20:39,633
Kevin:
So this way if we add this,

493
00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:41,833
we're not gonna
have the new floorboards

494
00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:43,066
just hanging
over there on nothing?

495
00:20:43,133 --> 00:20:44,300
Charlie: That's right.

496
00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:49,933
Kevin: So, Charlie,
even though we padded out this

497
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,066
rim joist right here,

498
00:20:51,133 --> 00:20:52,633
that's not the finished height,
right?

499
00:20:52,700 --> 00:20:53,833
Charlie:
No, that's the old height

500
00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:55,533
against the existing rim joists

501
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,300
or outside floor joists.

502
00:20:57,366 --> 00:20:59,000
Kevin: Okay, so how
are we getting the new height?

503
00:20:59,066 --> 00:21:01,666
Charlie:
So this is a piece of the
subfloor that we're gonna use,

504
00:21:01,733 --> 00:21:04,466
which is an actual thickness
of 3/4 inch.

505
00:21:04,533 --> 00:21:06,100
Our existing boards are 7/8.

506
00:21:06,166 --> 00:21:08,200
So we're already off 1/8.
Kevin: Okay.

507
00:21:08,266 --> 00:21:09,800
Charlie: So we're gonna take
our sample piece

508
00:21:09,866 --> 00:21:13,233
and put it on the one we just
screwed onto the outside edge.

509
00:21:13,300 --> 00:21:15,033
You're going to take
the six-foot level

510
00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:17,566
and use it as a straight edge.

511
00:21:17,633 --> 00:21:20,866
And then I'll take a measurement
from the top of our subfloor

512
00:21:20,933 --> 00:21:22,733
to the underside of the level,

513
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,266
and that'll be what the
measurement is on the left side.

514
00:21:25,333 --> 00:21:27,033
And then we'll check it
on the right side

515
00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:28,433
and see if it's the same.

516
00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:30,233
Kevin: So if they're the same,
we have a flat shim.

517
00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:32,333
If they're different, we've got
a slightly tapered shim.

518
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,566
Charlie: That's right.

519
00:21:35,833 --> 00:21:38,900
Looks like we have a strong 1/4.
Let's check the right side.

520
00:21:38,966 --> 00:21:40,900
Looks like we have about 3/4.

521
00:21:40,966 --> 00:21:43,566
Kevin: So we're going from
a 1/4 to 3/4 over four feet.

522
00:21:43,633 --> 00:21:44,866
Charlie: That's right.

523
00:21:47,033 --> 00:21:48,266
That looks like it's perfect.

524
00:21:48,333 --> 00:21:49,700
Kevin: And we'll do it
for each one of these?

525
00:21:49,766 --> 00:21:51,933
Charlie: That's right.
And each one is different.

526
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:59,000
♪♪

527
00:21:59,066 --> 00:22:06,200
♪♪

528
00:22:06,266 --> 00:22:07,366
That's good.

529
00:22:07,433 --> 00:22:14,600
♪♪

530
00:22:14,666 --> 00:22:16,700
Kevin: Okay.
Charlie: Perfect.

531
00:22:16,766 --> 00:22:18,433
Kevin: So...

532
00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:19,766
Ooh.
Charlie: So we do have to

533
00:22:19,833 --> 00:22:21,333
still glue this down
and nail it,

534
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,400
but it's a perfect dry fit,
and it works.

535
00:22:23,466 --> 00:22:26,066
Kevin: Yes. And, uh,
it is not a drop here at all.

536
00:22:26,133 --> 00:22:27,566
Charlie: No.

537
00:22:27,633 --> 00:22:28,800
And we'll spray the
closed-cell foam

538
00:22:28,866 --> 00:22:30,433
to the underside
of the subfloor.

539
00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:31,866
It'll be very warm.
Kevin: Beautiful. Alright.

540
00:22:31,933 --> 00:22:33,166
Sounds like a plan.

541
00:22:33,233 --> 00:22:34,966
So, until next time,
I'm Kevin O'Connor...

542
00:22:35,033 --> 00:22:36,733
Charlie: And I'm Charlie Silva.
Kevin: ...for "This Old House"

543
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,466
here in Needham, Massachusetts.

544
00:22:41,766 --> 00:22:44,233
Kevin: Next time
on "This Old House"...

545
00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:46,233
Charlie: Installing window trim
can be tedious,

546
00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:48,866
but I have a way that's
gonna save us a lot of time.

547
00:22:48,933 --> 00:22:50,966
Man: We've cut these boards out,
so now every part

548
00:22:51,033 --> 00:22:53,566
are cut to the exact size
that are required.

549
00:22:53,633 --> 00:22:55,466
Charlie:
As straight as an arrow.

550
00:22:55,533 --> 00:22:57,133
Heath: Then I'll show you
how to lay out the electrical

551
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,366
for a new kitchen,
whether you're doing

552
00:22:58,433 --> 00:23:01,133
a renovation or a new build.

553
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,666
Jenn: And by removing
just one plant,

554
00:23:04,733 --> 00:23:07,333
we've transformed
the front yard.

555
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,433
♪♪