1 00:00:00,666 --> 00:00:02,933 Kevin: Today on "This Old House"... 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Tom: We're going to take this chimney down the opposite way 3 00:00:05,066 --> 00:00:07,600 it went up -- one brick at a time. 4 00:00:07,666 --> 00:00:09,466 Kevin: And we'll hear the plan to restore 5 00:00:09,533 --> 00:00:12,500 the original Victorian character to our home. 6 00:00:12,566 --> 00:00:15,633 Richard: And we'll learn how and why these historic gas lanterns 7 00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:18,300 are still in use here in Glen Ridge. 8 00:00:18,366 --> 00:00:26,100 ♪♪ 9 00:00:26,166 --> 00:00:28,200 Man: Ahh, that's it. 10 00:00:28,266 --> 00:00:36,866 ♪♪ 11 00:00:36,933 --> 00:00:44,533 ♪♪ 12 00:00:46,700 --> 00:00:52,966 ♪♪ 13 00:00:53,033 --> 00:00:54,300 Kevin: Hey, there. I'm Kevin O'Connor, 14 00:00:54,366 --> 00:00:56,000 and welcome back to "This Old House." 15 00:00:56,066 --> 00:00:57,200 Hey, Kaylen. Kaylen: How you doing, Kevin? 16 00:00:57,266 --> 00:00:59,033 Kevin: And we're starting a new project here 17 00:00:59,100 --> 00:01:00,933 in Glen Ridge, new Jersey. 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,266 This is a quaint little commuter town 19 00:01:02,333 --> 00:01:04,866 just across the river from New York City. 20 00:01:04,933 --> 00:01:10,500 And this is our subject house, a Victorian built back in 1887. 21 00:01:10,566 --> 00:01:12,966 And it still has some of the nice Victorian details, 22 00:01:13,033 --> 00:01:15,300 but many of them have been lost over the years. 23 00:01:15,366 --> 00:01:18,166 And so part of the program is to bring them back. 24 00:01:18,233 --> 00:01:21,200 And so that means some changes to our front porch, 25 00:01:21,266 --> 00:01:23,000 which we're going to hear about a little later, 26 00:01:23,066 --> 00:01:24,900 as well as changes to the siding. 27 00:01:24,966 --> 00:01:27,366 This is not original and it's also asbestos, 28 00:01:27,433 --> 00:01:30,766 so it needs to be taken care of. But for now, most of the work 29 00:01:30,833 --> 00:01:33,500 has started inside. 30 00:01:33,566 --> 00:01:35,766 Our homeowners, Sunita and Shankar, 31 00:01:35,833 --> 00:01:37,833 have lived here for 27 years. 32 00:01:37,900 --> 00:01:39,000 Hey, Luke. Luke: Hey, Kevin. 33 00:01:39,066 --> 00:01:40,466 Kevin: This is where they raised their family, 34 00:01:40,533 --> 00:01:42,733 but they decide that it is time to downsize. 35 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,400 But they're not moving out. They're moving up 36 00:01:44,466 --> 00:01:46,033 because they're going to share their house 37 00:01:46,100 --> 00:01:47,500 with their daughter and her husband. 38 00:01:47,566 --> 00:01:50,766 So two generations of living, lots of reconfiguration, 39 00:01:50,833 --> 00:01:53,866 and upstairs, lots of demolition. 40 00:01:53,933 --> 00:01:56,100 The daughter, Asha, and her husband, Jason, 41 00:01:56,166 --> 00:01:58,266 are going to live here, primarily on the second floor. 42 00:01:58,333 --> 00:02:00,433 They'll have a primary suite back there, 43 00:02:00,500 --> 00:02:02,833 so that bump out will be enlarged to make room 44 00:02:02,900 --> 00:02:04,733 for a bedroom and a bathroom. 45 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,433 We're also going to pick up some extra space here 46 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:09,766 by taking this chimney all the way down to the ground. 47 00:02:09,833 --> 00:02:13,033 So that means we'll have room for two more bedrooms 48 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:16,633 and a shared bath up here so their family can grow. 49 00:02:16,700 --> 00:02:19,866 And then, back here in this corner, shared laundry room. 50 00:02:19,933 --> 00:02:21,266 Because remember, two families living here. 51 00:02:21,333 --> 00:02:23,800 So mom and dad will be upstairs. 52 00:02:23,866 --> 00:02:26,833 The staircase to the third floor no longer to code, 53 00:02:26,900 --> 00:02:28,033 so that means a new one 54 00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:31,033 is going to drop somewhere right about there. 55 00:02:33,266 --> 00:02:35,566 Wow. Demo is even further along up here. 56 00:02:35,633 --> 00:02:38,100 This place is back to the studs. Hey, Zack. How are you? 57 00:02:38,166 --> 00:02:39,400 Zack: Hey, Kevin. How's it going? 58 00:02:39,466 --> 00:02:41,600 Kevin: Going all right. Tommy. So, your crew has really 59 00:02:41,666 --> 00:02:43,133 made some progress with the demo. 60 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,333 Zack: Yeah, they've been doing a good job in only a week. 61 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,933 And check out these bottles they found in the walls. 62 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,366 Kevin: Oh, look at that. Wine, huh? 63 00:02:50,433 --> 00:02:52,500 We got a Bordeaux and another Bordeaux. 64 00:02:52,566 --> 00:02:53,666 Zack: Look at the date on that. 65 00:02:53,733 --> 00:02:54,866 That's the year the house was built. 66 00:02:54,933 --> 00:02:57,066 Kevin: 1887. Right there on the label. 67 00:02:57,133 --> 00:02:58,600 Tom: Figure the builder might have been celebrating 68 00:02:58,666 --> 00:03:00,166 the completion of the framing. Right? 69 00:03:00,233 --> 00:03:01,433 Kevin: Yeah. Homeowners are gonna be 70 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:03,633 psyched to have these. Zack: Absolutely. 71 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:05,833 Kevin: All right. So, chimney work for you guys? 72 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:07,966 Tom: Yeah. We got a little chimney work to do here. 73 00:03:08,033 --> 00:03:10,300 Kevin: I got to excuse myself because I got architect work to do. 74 00:03:10,366 --> 00:03:11,466 Zack: All right. You enjoy those. 75 00:03:11,533 --> 00:03:13,233 Tom: Don't break those bottles, sonny. 76 00:03:13,300 --> 00:03:15,033 Zack: So let me ask you a question over here, Tommy. 77 00:03:15,100 --> 00:03:16,666 Tom: Okay. Zack: So, we started taking down 78 00:03:16,733 --> 00:03:19,300 the chimney, and as I was doing that, 79 00:03:19,366 --> 00:03:22,066 I was noticing these rafters behind us here 80 00:03:22,133 --> 00:03:25,433 and how small they are and how long the span is. 81 00:03:25,500 --> 00:03:26,633 And I was a little concerned about 82 00:03:26,700 --> 00:03:28,300 what was holding this house up. 83 00:03:28,366 --> 00:03:30,166 So we stopped taking down the chimney, 84 00:03:30,233 --> 00:03:31,766 and I wanted to get your opinion on that. 85 00:03:31,833 --> 00:03:34,400 Tom: Well, like I always say, when in doubt, stop. 86 00:03:34,466 --> 00:03:35,500 Zack: Right. [ Both laugh ] 87 00:03:35,566 --> 00:03:36,900 Tom: Smart move. Zack: Got that part right. 88 00:03:36,966 --> 00:03:38,800 Tom: Well, if I look up at the ridge 89 00:03:38,866 --> 00:03:40,566 of the existing house right here, 90 00:03:40,633 --> 00:03:43,866 I can see that the ridge beam is in pieces. 91 00:03:43,933 --> 00:03:47,266 I can see that the end of it is just caught 92 00:03:47,333 --> 00:03:49,766 or just into the chimney. Ever so slightly. 93 00:03:49,833 --> 00:03:51,833 Zack: Right. Tom: So I don't see that 94 00:03:51,900 --> 00:03:54,366 as a structural ridge. 95 00:03:54,433 --> 00:03:57,366 It's basically to hold the roof together at the peak. 96 00:03:57,433 --> 00:03:59,400 Zack: Right. Tom: But where we are standing 97 00:03:59,466 --> 00:04:01,600 are the floorboards that run this way. 98 00:04:01,666 --> 00:04:04,666 Underneath the floorboards are the floor joists 99 00:04:04,733 --> 00:04:07,533 that run continuously from that side 100 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:08,866 of the lower section of the roof, 101 00:04:08,933 --> 00:04:11,533 all the way over to the other side of the house. 102 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,200 One strong, long floor joist. 103 00:04:15,266 --> 00:04:17,733 A lot of strength and tension holding that. 104 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,500 Okay. So now let's think about the roof system. 105 00:04:20,566 --> 00:04:22,966 It's basically a triangle, okay? 106 00:04:23,033 --> 00:04:26,166 So we have a floor system that's one piece. 107 00:04:26,233 --> 00:04:30,833 Our rafters on each side that go up at a steep pitch. 108 00:04:30,900 --> 00:04:32,566 See if I can do that. Look at that. 109 00:04:32,633 --> 00:04:34,000 Zack: Right. Tom: There's our triangle. 110 00:04:34,066 --> 00:04:36,533 Because the lower chord of that triangle 111 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,466 is one piece, that basically the amount of force or tension 112 00:04:41,533 --> 00:04:44,366 that that can hold is tremendous. 113 00:04:44,433 --> 00:04:46,766 So the continuous joists that run across here 114 00:04:46,833 --> 00:04:48,566 set on top of a beam, 115 00:04:48,633 --> 00:04:51,166 sitting on top of full dimensional 2x4s 116 00:04:51,233 --> 00:04:55,433 in your wall system, they put a plate on top of that, 117 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:57,500 and they nailed the rafters into it. 118 00:04:57,566 --> 00:05:00,166 So all of this roof system is locked in place 119 00:05:00,233 --> 00:05:04,733 by these floor joists that are also known as rafter ties. 120 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,800 So when you push down on the roof, it wants to go out, 121 00:05:09,866 --> 00:05:11,200 but it can't. Zack: It can't go out. 122 00:05:11,266 --> 00:05:15,366 Tom: Right. So, technically, that chimney can come down 123 00:05:15,433 --> 00:05:18,433 because you don't have a bearing load of the chimney 124 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:19,700 on the ridge. 125 00:05:19,766 --> 00:05:21,366 Zack: Well, that's a relief. Tom: Yeah. 126 00:05:21,433 --> 00:05:23,166 Now you just got to think about what you want to do about 127 00:05:23,233 --> 00:05:26,666 stiffening up this roof system. If you want to stiffen it up. 128 00:05:26,733 --> 00:05:28,600 And you got to think about your insulation. 129 00:05:28,666 --> 00:05:30,066 Zack: Right. Tom: All right? 130 00:05:30,133 --> 00:05:31,500 But, yeah, I think it's good to go. 131 00:05:31,566 --> 00:05:32,866 The chimney can come down. 132 00:05:32,933 --> 00:05:33,900 Zack: All right. Let's get to work. 133 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,800 Tom: Okay. 134 00:05:36,866 --> 00:05:39,000 Zack: All right. Got some buckets up here. 135 00:05:39,066 --> 00:05:41,333 I think we should just take it down brick by brick. 136 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,333 Tom: Sounds good to me. 137 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:53,333 ♪♪ 138 00:05:53,400 --> 00:06:03,333 ♪♪ 139 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:12,666 ♪♪ 140 00:06:12,733 --> 00:06:14,533 Okay. We've got the chimney down 141 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,100 to the same height as the staging. 142 00:06:16,166 --> 00:06:17,800 We've covered that with plywood. 143 00:06:17,866 --> 00:06:20,000 And we've also jacked up the roof, 144 00:06:20,066 --> 00:06:21,500 taking the load off of it, 145 00:06:21,566 --> 00:06:24,600 and reinforced it off of the top of the chimney. 146 00:06:24,666 --> 00:06:26,600 That's so we can cut the headers off 147 00:06:26,666 --> 00:06:29,066 and then basically reframe the roof. 148 00:06:29,133 --> 00:06:30,333 Zack: All right. Let's get to it. 149 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,300 Tom: Okay. 150 00:06:35,933 --> 00:06:37,733 Okay, good. That looks good, clean. 151 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,200 Now we've cut a gusset for a piece of plywood right here. 152 00:06:40,266 --> 00:06:41,733 We'll screw that up. 153 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,033 That way, we can attach our new ridge to that. 154 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,900 All right. One for the other side. 155 00:06:51,966 --> 00:06:54,033 This is like a gusset up here. 156 00:06:56,066 --> 00:06:59,100 It ties these two rafters together and covers a ridge, 157 00:06:59,166 --> 00:07:00,866 but it gives us a nice surface 158 00:07:00,933 --> 00:07:03,533 to mount our new ridge tube right across here. 159 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,266 Zack: All right. Let's get one screw into the old ridge. 160 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:10,766 Now we're ready to cut out the headers here 161 00:07:10,833 --> 00:07:14,033 so we can slide our new rafters and bring it up. 162 00:07:16,733 --> 00:07:18,900 All right, let's get this one out of here. 163 00:07:24,433 --> 00:07:28,466 All right. Looks like we're ready to slide the rafters in. 164 00:07:28,533 --> 00:07:29,733 Zack: Hand. Tom: Yeah. 165 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,833 All right. Right about there. 166 00:07:32,900 --> 00:07:35,433 Now we can add the ridge between our gussets 167 00:07:35,500 --> 00:07:37,633 and connect the rafters as we go. 168 00:07:37,700 --> 00:07:41,166 All right. So now we'll take a rafter from the other side 169 00:07:41,233 --> 00:07:42,633 and slide it up. 170 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:44,733 Zack: All right. 171 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,900 Tom: All right. Get it in tight. 172 00:07:49,666 --> 00:07:51,233 [ Hammering ] 173 00:07:51,300 --> 00:07:52,766 Zack: Little bit more. 174 00:07:52,833 --> 00:07:54,233 [ Hammering ] Tom: Oh, oh. 175 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:56,666 I got to tap the other side up. 176 00:07:56,733 --> 00:07:58,633 Zack: I think that's it. 177 00:07:58,700 --> 00:08:00,466 Tom: It's even on both sides? 178 00:08:00,533 --> 00:08:02,400 Zack: Yeah. Tom: Okay. 179 00:08:12,733 --> 00:08:14,500 All right, the next one. 180 00:08:21,966 --> 00:08:25,433 Zack: About another inch. [ Hammering ] 181 00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:26,433 Almost there. 182 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:28,800 [ Hammering ] 183 00:08:28,866 --> 00:08:30,866 All right, that's it. 184 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,866 Tom: Now we have to fasten this with either a hanger -- 185 00:08:42,933 --> 00:08:45,100 but we're going to use a block like this. 186 00:08:45,166 --> 00:08:50,000 Put it right up underneath it. That'll hold it in place. 187 00:08:52,733 --> 00:08:54,533 Perfect. Screw that off. 188 00:08:59,666 --> 00:09:01,166 All right. That's good. 189 00:09:01,233 --> 00:09:03,333 Now all we got to do is put another one on the other end 190 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,166 and then screw all our rafters off, 191 00:09:05,233 --> 00:09:07,600 get the roof sheathed, and make it watertight. 192 00:09:07,666 --> 00:09:09,133 Zack: Awesome. Well, thanks for the help today. 193 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,666 I feel way more confident in this roof now. 194 00:09:11,733 --> 00:09:12,900 Tom: Well, I do, too. 195 00:09:12,966 --> 00:09:14,400 [ Both laugh ] 196 00:09:14,466 --> 00:09:20,900 ♪♪ 197 00:09:20,966 --> 00:09:22,366 Kevin: So, yesterday, I was watching you 198 00:09:22,433 --> 00:09:26,100 and Tommy Silva work shoulder to shoulder on that chimney. 199 00:09:26,166 --> 00:09:27,400 How'd that go? 200 00:09:27,466 --> 00:09:28,800 Zack: There were moments where I felt like I was 201 00:09:28,866 --> 00:09:31,000 on a little bit of a, uh... 202 00:09:31,066 --> 00:09:32,500 like an out-of-body experience. 203 00:09:32,566 --> 00:09:34,200 I was like -- it was very photogenic. 204 00:09:34,266 --> 00:09:36,066 You know, we're, like, looking out over Manhattan, 205 00:09:36,133 --> 00:09:37,333 even though it was a smoky day. 206 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,600 And it was surreal at times, but it was cool. 207 00:09:39,666 --> 00:09:42,533 And, also, the guy can move because we were both 208 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,700 demo'ing a side of the chimney, and I couldn't keep up with him. 209 00:09:46,766 --> 00:09:48,733 And I was wondering, like, "Does he work this fast, 210 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,433 or is he trying to prove a point? 211 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:51,933 Like, 'This guy can't keep up with me,'" 212 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,100 because I was -- I was going, and he always had a lead on me. 213 00:09:55,166 --> 00:09:56,866 Kevin: It's maddening. Zack: Yeah, it is. 214 00:09:56,933 --> 00:09:58,900 Kevin: Trust me, it's maddening. Zack: [ Laughs ] 215 00:09:58,966 --> 00:10:00,766 Kevin: Did you learn anything from him? 216 00:10:00,833 --> 00:10:03,533 Zack: I learned a couple things from him that are subtle, 217 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,500 but in the way he communicated, he was, you know, 218 00:10:06,566 --> 00:10:08,333 just saying what was necessary to get the job done 219 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,500 and move it forward. And I -- 220 00:10:10,566 --> 00:10:12,766 And I was noticing that, 221 00:10:12,833 --> 00:10:15,633 because sometimes when I'm managing employees, 222 00:10:15,700 --> 00:10:18,933 I feel like I add a lot of fluff in there 223 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,733 that dilutes the message of, 224 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,033 "Please hand me that 2x4." 225 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:24,633 Could be, "Give me that board," 226 00:10:24,700 --> 00:10:26,300 and it gets the job done quicker. 227 00:10:26,366 --> 00:10:30,433 Kevin: So, what did you think when "This Old House" said 228 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:32,833 they want to do the project with you down here in New Jersey? 229 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:35,600 Zack: I texted Camille, and I said, 230 00:10:35,666 --> 00:10:37,400 "Are you sitting down?" [ Both laugh ] 231 00:10:37,466 --> 00:10:39,400 Camille is my wife, right? Kevin: Yeah. 232 00:10:39,466 --> 00:10:41,566 Zack: And she was like, "Whaaat?" 233 00:10:41,633 --> 00:10:42,966 I was pretty stoked about it. 234 00:10:43,033 --> 00:10:44,733 A lot of the tips and tricks I picked up 235 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,833 over the years came from "This Old House," 236 00:10:46,900 --> 00:10:50,066 because just knowing that that world existed, like, 237 00:10:50,133 --> 00:10:53,200 helped me always do a little bit better on each job. 238 00:10:53,266 --> 00:10:54,966 And "This Old House" is a big part of that. 239 00:10:55,033 --> 00:10:56,466 Kevin: Does it make you nervous? 240 00:10:56,533 --> 00:10:58,000 Zack: Extremely nervous. 241 00:10:58,066 --> 00:10:59,466 Kevin: [ Laughing ] Why? 242 00:10:59,533 --> 00:11:03,000 Zack: I think because I know there's eyes that, 243 00:11:03,066 --> 00:11:06,966 like, highly educated eyes that have been on many projects, 244 00:11:07,033 --> 00:11:09,766 more complex, better run, better organized than mine, 245 00:11:09,833 --> 00:11:12,233 and having those eyes seeing my project, it's -- 246 00:11:12,300 --> 00:11:14,066 I feel very, um... 247 00:11:14,133 --> 00:11:15,600 There's no social media. There's nothing -- 248 00:11:15,666 --> 00:11:16,900 I can't hide anything. 249 00:11:16,966 --> 00:11:19,400 I can't say we're more organized than they are when -- 250 00:11:19,466 --> 00:11:21,266 when you and your team show up on the job. 251 00:11:21,333 --> 00:11:24,266 Like, you're going to know if I'm doing things 252 00:11:24,333 --> 00:11:27,000 the way they should be done or not, and that's pretty scary. 253 00:11:27,066 --> 00:11:28,833 Kevin: When did you get into this? 254 00:11:28,900 --> 00:11:33,200 Zack: I got into this, uh, let's see, when I was about 11, 255 00:11:33,266 --> 00:11:37,833 I started my first job, um, moving mulch around. 256 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:41,800 And then, went to school for timber framing at 13. 257 00:11:41,866 --> 00:11:43,066 That was fun. 258 00:11:43,133 --> 00:11:45,566 Got a job for another contractor who fired me immediately 259 00:11:45,633 --> 00:11:46,933 because I didn't know what I was doing 260 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,166 because, uh, spending a week at a timber framing school 261 00:11:50,233 --> 00:11:52,033 doesn't get you that far, apparently. 262 00:11:52,100 --> 00:11:53,833 Kevin: Who fired you? 263 00:11:53,900 --> 00:11:55,366 Zack: Uh, his name was Mr. Schmidt. 264 00:11:55,433 --> 00:11:57,600 Kevin: [ Laughing ] Zack: Um... 265 00:11:57,666 --> 00:12:00,466 He, uh -- he asked me if I could read a tape, 266 00:12:00,533 --> 00:12:02,500 and, uh, I was just stuck in my brain. 267 00:12:02,566 --> 00:12:04,433 I said, "Of course I can read a tape." 268 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:06,233 And then he was saying, you know, 269 00:12:06,300 --> 00:12:08,733 "Rip that to, uh, 9 11/16," 270 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,533 and I'm like, "What? What is this?" 271 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,133 I got three quarters down, but the sixteenths blew my mind. 272 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,066 And he's like, "I thought you could read a tape!" 273 00:12:16,133 --> 00:12:19,066 And then he gave me a really sharp chisel, and I was working, 274 00:12:19,133 --> 00:12:20,500 and he goes, "Careful. That's sharp." 275 00:12:20,566 --> 00:12:23,900 And I swung it around and just slashed my leg open. 276 00:12:23,966 --> 00:12:25,733 And then I tried to hide it. Kevin: Yeah. 277 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,500 Zack: And, uh... 278 00:12:28,566 --> 00:12:29,666 You know, that didn't work. 279 00:12:29,733 --> 00:12:31,600 And I really thank him for that 280 00:12:31,666 --> 00:12:35,866 because it gave me this terror of being fired again. 281 00:12:35,933 --> 00:12:37,266 Kevin: Oh, really? Zack: And so I always try to be 282 00:12:37,333 --> 00:12:39,766 the hardest working guy in the room after that. 283 00:12:39,833 --> 00:12:45,800 ♪♪ 284 00:12:45,866 --> 00:12:47,566 Kevin: Our homeowners want to return 285 00:12:47,633 --> 00:12:50,566 as much of the original detail to this house as possible. 286 00:12:50,633 --> 00:12:52,500 And that's okay with the town, 287 00:12:52,566 --> 00:12:54,266 because over 90% of this community 288 00:12:54,333 --> 00:12:56,133 is actually in an historic district. 289 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,666 Dan, nice to meet you. Dan: Likewise. 290 00:12:57,733 --> 00:13:00,133 Kevin: So, you are the guy that's got to help us do that. 291 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,366 Dan: Yes, sir. Kevin: What is it that 292 00:13:01,433 --> 00:13:02,533 the homeowners asked of you 293 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,300 when they hired you and gave you the plan? 294 00:13:04,366 --> 00:13:06,933 Dan: Well, so I think the homeowners have asked 295 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,933 that we restore the home to its original integrity. 296 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,400 Kevin: Literally take it back to sort of 1887, if you could. 297 00:13:12,466 --> 00:13:14,100 Dan: That's correct. Right? And so we have 298 00:13:14,166 --> 00:13:15,600 a lot of information there. 299 00:13:15,666 --> 00:13:18,300 We know that this home was built at the same time 300 00:13:18,366 --> 00:13:19,733 as the homes that flank it. 301 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,766 Kevin: Oh, really? So all three of these same time. 302 00:13:21,833 --> 00:13:25,433 So we can be hopeful that it might look as robust as those. 303 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:27,466 Dan: And I'm confident it will. Kevin: Very nice. 304 00:13:27,533 --> 00:13:29,666 And what do you have going back historically to help you? 305 00:13:29,733 --> 00:13:32,600 Dan: So, in addition to the physical structures 306 00:13:32,666 --> 00:13:33,866 we have on either side of us here, 307 00:13:33,933 --> 00:13:36,066 we have -- we have a rather grainy photograph, 308 00:13:36,133 --> 00:13:38,500 but it tells us a lot of what was able to help us 309 00:13:38,566 --> 00:13:40,966 build the documentation that we have here. 310 00:13:41,033 --> 00:13:44,066 Kevin: So, looking at your plans existing right here? 311 00:13:44,133 --> 00:13:46,200 Dan: Correct. And then, what we're proposing up top. 312 00:13:46,266 --> 00:13:48,200 Kevin: So, imposing front porch right here. 313 00:13:48,266 --> 00:13:51,700 And then you're going back to a very traditional Victorian look. 314 00:13:51,766 --> 00:13:53,200 Dan: Sure. The ability to open that up 315 00:13:53,266 --> 00:13:56,500 with an open balustrade, turned columns and brackets, 316 00:13:56,566 --> 00:13:59,433 I think we really restore the character to this home, 317 00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:00,966 bring a lot of that detail back in, 318 00:14:01,033 --> 00:14:02,966 and make it feel open and inviting. 319 00:14:03,033 --> 00:14:05,533 And at the same time, recognize that the homeowners 320 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,566 didn't want to lose any of the square footage. 321 00:14:08,633 --> 00:14:10,600 Right? So we have this small appendage up there, 322 00:14:10,666 --> 00:14:12,666 and I think what we're actually able to do 323 00:14:12,733 --> 00:14:15,600 is build it out the full width of the front facade. 324 00:14:15,666 --> 00:14:18,666 So it is an addition, and it's not original to the home, 325 00:14:18,733 --> 00:14:21,566 but it feels as contextual as possible. 326 00:14:21,633 --> 00:14:23,300 Kevin: So you pick up a lot of symmetry, too. 327 00:14:23,366 --> 00:14:25,366 I mean, it's nice that when this gets bumped out, 328 00:14:25,433 --> 00:14:27,466 it lines up with the edge of the house. 329 00:14:27,533 --> 00:14:30,066 And over here, when this gets extended, 330 00:14:30,133 --> 00:14:31,666 it ends up with the edge of the house, as well. 331 00:14:31,733 --> 00:14:33,033 Dan: And we line up the windows, as well. 332 00:14:33,100 --> 00:14:34,600 Kevin: All right. So as you go back to this sort 333 00:14:34,666 --> 00:14:35,966 of what I call the dream picture, 334 00:14:36,033 --> 00:14:37,533 what you're shooting for, 335 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,266 this house just has asbestos siding. 336 00:14:39,333 --> 00:14:42,466 Here, I presume collapse shingles. 337 00:14:42,533 --> 00:14:43,566 And then, are these diamond shingles 338 00:14:43,633 --> 00:14:44,900 like I'm seeing next door? 339 00:14:44,966 --> 00:14:46,900 Dan: That's the plan that we filed with the borough. 340 00:14:46,966 --> 00:14:48,466 Right? So we have to bring something before 341 00:14:48,533 --> 00:14:49,633 the Preservation Commission to say, 342 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:51,400 "This is what we could do." 343 00:14:51,466 --> 00:14:52,566 Kevin: And they were okay with this? 344 00:14:52,633 --> 00:14:53,933 Dan: Right. So they approved this, 345 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,800 recognizing that, if we find nothing 346 00:14:56,866 --> 00:14:58,266 under the asbestos siding, 347 00:14:58,333 --> 00:15:00,933 we can go with this because it's period-appropriate. Right? 348 00:15:01,033 --> 00:15:04,133 But if we have the opportunity to pull off this asbestos siding 349 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,733 and find something else underneath, 350 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,133 I think we'd want to restore that. 351 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,666 Kevin: Oh, really? Dan: Yeah. 352 00:15:08,733 --> 00:15:09,933 Kevin: Oh, so you'll let that dictate pretty much 353 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,400 what you're gonna do. Dan: I think that should, 354 00:15:11,466 --> 00:15:14,233 in a true sense of restoration and preservation, 355 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:16,533 we're going to want to preserve the original. 356 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,566 Kevin: So, just so I understand, in a perfect scenario, 357 00:15:19,633 --> 00:15:21,300 you guys would make this house today 358 00:15:21,366 --> 00:15:22,866 look exactly like it did back in 1887. 359 00:15:22,933 --> 00:15:23,866 Dan: Absolutely. 360 00:15:23,933 --> 00:15:24,866 Kevin: That's a pretty good plan. 361 00:15:24,933 --> 00:15:26,400 Yeah. And the homeowners are -- 362 00:15:26,466 --> 00:15:27,566 They're stewards of this home. Right? 363 00:15:27,633 --> 00:15:28,866 They want to bring it back. 364 00:15:28,933 --> 00:15:30,700 And they they want to honor the original. 365 00:15:30,766 --> 00:15:32,000 Kevin: Well, we got that sense, for sure. 366 00:15:32,066 --> 00:15:33,266 So we're glad you're on board to help us out. 367 00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:34,266 Dan: Thank you very much. Kevin: Thanks, Dan. 368 00:15:34,333 --> 00:15:35,166 Dan: Take care. 369 00:15:35,233 --> 00:15:45,166 ♪♪ 370 00:15:45,233 --> 00:15:48,866 ♪♪ 371 00:15:48,933 --> 00:15:51,600 Richard: Gas lanterns were once the way that cities and towns 372 00:15:51,666 --> 00:15:53,900 illuminated their sidewalks and streets, 373 00:15:53,966 --> 00:15:55,466 but over time, they were given up 374 00:15:55,533 --> 00:15:57,133 to electrical streetlights. 375 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,166 But not so here in Glen Ridge. 376 00:15:59,233 --> 00:16:01,900 They still have gas lanterns and plenty of them. 377 00:16:01,966 --> 00:16:05,566 Mayor Stuart Patrick knows all about it. 378 00:16:05,633 --> 00:16:08,033 Mayor, Glen Ridge is a beautiful place. 379 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:09,100 Stuart: Well, thank you. 380 00:16:09,166 --> 00:16:10,200 We appreciate your coming to visit. 381 00:16:10,266 --> 00:16:11,766 Richard: It's so lovely here. 382 00:16:11,833 --> 00:16:13,066 So, how about a little history? 383 00:16:13,133 --> 00:16:14,466 Stuart: Okay. 384 00:16:14,533 --> 00:16:17,966 Glen Ridge goes back to the Civil War years 385 00:16:18,033 --> 00:16:20,833 is when it really started getting populated. 386 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:23,300 And shortly thereafter, 387 00:16:23,366 --> 00:16:25,633 we actually had a train come through here 388 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:29,366 at least once a day to drop off passengers and take them. 389 00:16:29,433 --> 00:16:31,800 And then, about in 1895, 390 00:16:31,866 --> 00:16:33,933 the town seceded from Bloomfield, 391 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,900 and at that time, they decided 392 00:16:35,966 --> 00:16:39,366 that they needed to do a master plan for this town. 393 00:16:39,433 --> 00:16:43,666 So the master plan really had probably three principal 394 00:16:43,733 --> 00:16:47,833 elements to it. We have the gas lamps here. 395 00:16:47,900 --> 00:16:50,733 We have the canopy of trees. 396 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,433 We have the slate walks. Richard: Yeah. 397 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:54,133 Stuart: So we think we're very unique. 398 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,500 Richard: So as the town grew, though, 399 00:16:55,566 --> 00:16:58,166 you needed to find more and more of these gas lamps 400 00:16:58,233 --> 00:16:59,466 because you wanted them everywhere, right? 401 00:16:59,533 --> 00:17:00,533 Stuart: Right. 402 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,633 Richard: So where'd you find them? 403 00:17:01,700 --> 00:17:02,800 Stuart: We found them all over the place. 404 00:17:02,866 --> 00:17:05,300 As the World Wars came in, 405 00:17:05,366 --> 00:17:07,000 a lot of the cities decided to change 406 00:17:07,066 --> 00:17:09,766 over to electricity versus the gas lamps. 407 00:17:09,833 --> 00:17:13,633 So as soon as we found that there were gas lamps available, 408 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:16,400 we swooped in, scooped them all up, and brought them out here. 409 00:17:16,466 --> 00:17:18,733 And you'll notice, as you go around town 410 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,700 that a lot of the poles are different than others. 411 00:17:21,766 --> 00:17:24,366 Richard: I've seen that. Stuart: So we've gotten 412 00:17:24,433 --> 00:17:25,866 a hodgepodge from all over. 413 00:17:25,933 --> 00:17:27,033 Richard: So where'd they come from? 414 00:17:27,100 --> 00:17:28,466 From New York City? Stuart: New York City. 415 00:17:28,533 --> 00:17:31,166 Yeah, a lot from New York City. Yeah, a lot from. 416 00:17:31,233 --> 00:17:32,700 New Jersey, et cetera. 417 00:17:32,766 --> 00:17:34,466 Richard: So, but nowadays, you know, 418 00:17:34,533 --> 00:17:35,833 if people wanted to think 419 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:38,233 about changing them to electrification, 420 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:40,300 it isn't that easy, is it? Stuart: No, it is not. 421 00:17:40,366 --> 00:17:42,433 And it's not something we would even consider doing 422 00:17:42,500 --> 00:17:44,566 for a couple reasons. 423 00:17:44,633 --> 00:17:48,466 First, we have a local ordinance which provides that, 424 00:17:48,533 --> 00:17:51,266 so long as we have these gas lamps, 425 00:17:51,333 --> 00:17:53,200 no utility company can come in 426 00:17:53,266 --> 00:17:55,933 and put poles in the front of people's residences. 427 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,633 So as you've driven through town, 428 00:17:57,700 --> 00:17:58,900 you haven't seen any utility poles. 429 00:17:58,966 --> 00:18:00,000 Richard: That's right, that's right. 430 00:18:00,066 --> 00:18:01,666 Secondly, they would have to tear down 431 00:18:01,733 --> 00:18:04,066 all of the infrastructure of the utility 432 00:18:04,133 --> 00:18:06,033 behind the homes and move it to the front. 433 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:07,366 Richard: So they all run behind the houses. 434 00:18:07,433 --> 00:18:08,400 So you'd have to come across 435 00:18:08,466 --> 00:18:10,333 everybody's fantastic front lawn. 436 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,166 Stuart: Right. So, for those two reasons, 437 00:18:12,233 --> 00:18:14,233 have no interest in going that way. 438 00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:16,300 Richard: Speaking of cars, these are on all the time. 439 00:18:16,366 --> 00:18:18,000 And I am not a stranger to these, 440 00:18:18,066 --> 00:18:19,066 believe it or not. 441 00:18:19,133 --> 00:18:21,066 Now, I started in our family business 442 00:18:21,133 --> 00:18:24,633 when I was about 14, 15 years old, and my job 443 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:27,000 was to replace the mantles, these things. 444 00:18:27,066 --> 00:18:28,166 They were a little different back then. 445 00:18:28,233 --> 00:18:29,666 They had a ceramic top. 446 00:18:29,733 --> 00:18:31,666 But my hands, at 15, were much smaller. 447 00:18:31,733 --> 00:18:33,133 I could get up inside there. 448 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,266 How do you stay on top of maintaining -- 449 00:18:35,333 --> 00:18:36,900 How many -- How many of these you got now? 450 00:18:36,966 --> 00:18:37,966 Stuart: Approximately 700. 451 00:18:38,033 --> 00:18:39,500 Richard: I mean, that's a full-time job. 452 00:18:39,566 --> 00:18:42,400 Stuart: Well, it is, and we don't do it ourselves. 453 00:18:42,466 --> 00:18:45,033 The utility company has full responsibility 454 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:49,700 for maintaining the hardware and delivering 455 00:18:49,766 --> 00:18:52,000 the gas, et cetera. 456 00:18:52,066 --> 00:18:54,333 Richard: Well, I tell you, they don't give off a lot of light, 457 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,433 but they add so much charm to this town. 458 00:18:56,500 --> 00:18:57,900 It's really -- it's really special. 459 00:18:57,966 --> 00:18:59,400 Stuart: It really is a special town. 460 00:18:59,466 --> 00:19:00,800 Richard: Thanks for letting us visit. 461 00:19:00,866 --> 00:19:10,800 ♪♪ 462 00:19:10,866 --> 00:19:16,033 ♪♪ 463 00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:17,066 Kevin: Hey, Edwin. How are you? 464 00:19:17,133 --> 00:19:18,200 Edwin: Hey, how you doing, Kevin? 465 00:19:18,266 --> 00:19:19,333 Kevin: All right. So, that's it right there? 466 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,633 Edwin: Yep. Kevin: That is the culprit. 467 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:21,766 What am I looking at? 468 00:19:21,833 --> 00:19:23,666 Edwin: This is a transite asbestos panel. 469 00:19:23,733 --> 00:19:25,500 Kevin: Transite asbestos panel. 470 00:19:25,566 --> 00:19:26,833 Seen a lot of those in your day? 471 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:27,933 Edwin: So many of these. 472 00:19:28,033 --> 00:19:28,966 Kevin: They're everywhere, right? 473 00:19:29,033 --> 00:19:30,333 Edwin: Everywhere. Kevin: May I? 474 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,366 So, sort of an oversize panel, 475 00:19:32,433 --> 00:19:33,666 painted on one side. 476 00:19:33,733 --> 00:19:35,633 The other side is all the way through. 477 00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:37,000 And you can kind of see, 478 00:19:37,066 --> 00:19:38,733 it's sort of a cementitious material right there, 479 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,033 although not what we use today. Edwin: Right, yeah. 480 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:43,166 Kevin: So, this is all over the house. 481 00:19:43,233 --> 00:19:44,166 Edwin: That's correct. 482 00:19:44,233 --> 00:19:45,633 Kevin: Um, tell me the process. 483 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:46,900 What do you guys got to do to get it off? 484 00:19:46,966 --> 00:19:48,500 Edwin: Well, the process, you know, 485 00:19:48,566 --> 00:19:50,133 first, we're going to set everything up. 486 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,433 We're going to cover the ground. Kevin: Yeah. 487 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:54,633 Edwin: So nothing gets cross-contaminated 488 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:58,866 with the soil, and then we start taking one by one. 489 00:19:58,933 --> 00:20:01,733 Kevin: What is the danger? Edwin: This causes cancer. 490 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,333 That's why, you know, all these fibers, 491 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,300 because they used this so many years for, uh -- 492 00:20:06,366 --> 00:20:09,333 the reason is because it's very resistant to the heat. 493 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,400 Kevin: Yeah. Edwin: And this is very -- 494 00:20:11,466 --> 00:20:13,500 very good material back in the days, but now... 495 00:20:13,566 --> 00:20:15,000 Kevin: Not so much. Edwin: It's not too much. 496 00:20:15,066 --> 00:20:16,400 They do not use it anymore. 497 00:20:16,466 --> 00:20:18,766 Kevin: So, I mean, this house is covered in these tiles, 498 00:20:18,833 --> 00:20:20,500 and the homeowner's have been out here for decades, 499 00:20:20,566 --> 00:20:24,033 having barbecues, being outside. No problem with it on the house? 500 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:26,133 Edwin: No, because they never disturb the asbestos. 501 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,066 If you don't disturb, it's okay. Kevin: It's okay. 502 00:20:28,133 --> 00:20:30,433 Edwin: But if you start breaking it, that becomes hazardous. 503 00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:31,666 Kevin: And that's what's gonna happen when you guys... 504 00:20:31,733 --> 00:20:33,133 Edwin: That's correct. Kevin: ...take it down. 505 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,500 Edwin: But, you know, in this case, when we do the removal, 506 00:20:35,566 --> 00:20:37,566 we use a lot of water to keep the dust down. 507 00:20:37,633 --> 00:20:39,033 Kevin: So, just water? 508 00:20:39,100 --> 00:20:40,266 Edwin: Water with amended water. 509 00:20:40,333 --> 00:20:41,966 That's something like a special solution 510 00:20:42,033 --> 00:20:44,366 to keep the -- the fibers down. 511 00:20:44,433 --> 00:20:46,233 Kevin: Special solution. Okay. Edwin: Yeah. 512 00:20:46,300 --> 00:20:47,800 And then we -- as soon as we start 513 00:20:47,866 --> 00:20:49,166 taking it, we double bag it. 514 00:20:49,233 --> 00:20:50,300 Kevin: Double bag. Edwin: Yeah. 515 00:20:50,366 --> 00:20:51,600 And place in the container. 516 00:20:51,666 --> 00:20:54,100 Kevin: So after they're done working, 517 00:20:54,166 --> 00:20:55,766 the material goes into the dumpster? 518 00:20:55,833 --> 00:20:56,766 Edwin: Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. 519 00:20:56,833 --> 00:20:58,166 Kevin: What do your workers do? 520 00:20:58,233 --> 00:21:00,900 Edwin: They take one suit off, they go to a dirty room. 521 00:21:00,966 --> 00:21:02,233 Kevin: What happens in the dirty room? 522 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:04,266 Edwin: The dirty room, they take all the clothes off, 523 00:21:04,333 --> 00:21:05,666 and then they take a shower, 524 00:21:05,733 --> 00:21:07,900 and then they put new clothes in the clean room. 525 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,700 Kevin: Shower, number two. Get dressed in number three. 526 00:21:10,766 --> 00:21:13,100 So you've got a lot of protocols here between, you know, 527 00:21:13,166 --> 00:21:16,100 containment, disposal, protection of your workers. 528 00:21:16,166 --> 00:21:17,866 Could a homeowner do this? 529 00:21:17,933 --> 00:21:20,233 Edwin: They can do it, but it's not safe for them 530 00:21:20,300 --> 00:21:22,633 because they're not training to do those kind of jobs. 531 00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:23,900 Kevin: So, legally, they could do it, 532 00:21:23,966 --> 00:21:25,366 but they still have to do all of this protocol. 533 00:21:25,433 --> 00:21:26,633 Edwin: They got to leave it to the professionals 534 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:28,466 to handle that kind of situation. 535 00:21:28,533 --> 00:21:30,133 Kevin: Sounds like a good suggestion to me. 536 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,400 All right. Well, I appreciate it. 537 00:21:31,466 --> 00:21:32,800 Thank you for helping us out. Edwin: No problem. 538 00:21:32,866 --> 00:21:34,233 Kevin: Let's get this stuff off. Edwin: All right. Thank you. 539 00:21:34,300 --> 00:21:44,266 ♪♪ 540 00:21:44,333 --> 00:21:49,533 ♪♪ 541 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,766 Zack: All right, Sunita, we took your front door off. 542 00:21:51,833 --> 00:21:53,433 I scraped away some of the layers, 543 00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:56,066 and you can see it was blue, then green, then red, then blue, 544 00:21:56,133 --> 00:21:58,700 then green, then brown, then green again. 545 00:21:58,766 --> 00:22:00,733 And I think that little strip of green there 546 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:01,800 is the original paint color. 547 00:22:01,866 --> 00:22:03,266 Sunita: That's really interesting. 548 00:22:03,333 --> 00:22:04,400 Kevin: Sunita, you thinking about 549 00:22:04,466 --> 00:22:06,200 a new color for the front door? 550 00:22:06,266 --> 00:22:09,366 Sunita: I don't know. We have to -- We have to see. 551 00:22:09,433 --> 00:22:10,933 Kevin: Well, you've got some time to decide. 552 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,233 And how do you feel about seeing the house all torn apart? 553 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:15,966 Sunita: Oh, it's surreal to see it down to the studs. 554 00:22:16,033 --> 00:22:18,200 After 25 years, it's surreal. Kevin: Yeah. 555 00:22:18,266 --> 00:22:20,900 Okay. So, what do we got up next time, Zack? 556 00:22:20,966 --> 00:22:23,100 Zack: Next up, we're going to start framing the addition, 557 00:22:23,166 --> 00:22:24,900 we'll remove this porch we're standing under, 558 00:22:24,966 --> 00:22:26,700 and we'll get to work rebuilding that, as well. 559 00:22:26,766 --> 00:22:28,633 Kevin: That's going to feel surreal, too. 560 00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:30,900 All right, well, so until then, I'm Kevin O'Connor. 561 00:22:30,966 --> 00:22:33,133 Sunita: And I'm Sunita. Zack: And I'm Zack Dettmore. 562 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,566 Kevin: For "This Old House," here in New Jersey. 563 00:22:35,633 --> 00:22:37,066 I like green. 564 00:22:37,133 --> 00:22:40,500 ♪♪ 565 00:22:41,766 --> 00:22:43,633 Kevin: Next time on "This Old House"... 566 00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:45,566 Jenn: I'm going to visit a community garden 567 00:22:45,633 --> 00:22:48,566 that has a special connection to our project house. 568 00:22:48,633 --> 00:22:50,466 ♪♪ 569 00:22:50,533 --> 00:22:53,233 Tom: And we're framing over the old concrete slab 570 00:22:53,300 --> 00:22:54,900 to make it level. 571 00:22:54,966 --> 00:22:58,566 [ Sawing ] 572 00:22:58,633 --> 00:23:00,133 Richard: And we're gonna be replacing this 573 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,400 100-year-old clay sewer line without digging a trench. 574 00:23:04,466 --> 00:23:05,600 Good for the next hundred years. 575 00:23:05,666 --> 00:23:07,633 Man: Good for the next hundred years. 576 00:23:07,700 --> 00:23:10,433 Kevin: That's next time.